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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #400 on: December 04, 2018, 03:39:05 PM »
HH6 could probably use a hydraulic splitter

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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #401 on: December 04, 2018, 04:09:34 PM »
What exactly would she be busting er uh splitting?  :tongue:
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« Reply #402 on: December 04, 2018, 07:25:31 PM »
Good progress, now buy each Pre-ranger their own chain saw and start whacking and stacking for the future!  HH6 could probably use a hydraulic splitter and your Christmas shopping is done!
I was thinking she needed that too!
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« Reply #403 on: December 05, 2018, 08:24:30 AM »
Now Don, on a SERIOUS note:  Look into Lebanon, KY; one of two places in the US where ALL of the Bourbon barrels are manufactured from milled oak staves.  They most likely have a HUGE amount of outside tree rounds available as waste.  Go, cut a deal and load-up with all you can carry then cut into boiler length sections and you're set.  Those oak staves they make are NOT GREEN Oak mind you, so you could be golden in no time regarding usable, clean burning wood for your Casa!

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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #404 on: December 05, 2018, 09:39:33 AM »
Has the system gotten up to temp yet?  I would think that after a week of burning you should have gotten it up to temp by now.  Even if you have been burning green wood, its not that cold out yet.

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« Reply #405 on: December 05, 2018, 12:44:02 PM »
Now Don, on a SERIOUS note:  Look into Lebanon, KY; one of two places in the US where ALL of the Bourbon barrels are manufactured from milled oak staves.  They most likely have a HUGE amount of outside tree rounds available as waste.  Go, cut a deal and load-up with all you can carry then cut into boiler length sections and you're set.  Those oak staves they make are NOT GREEN Oak mind you, so you could be golden in no time regarding usable, clean burning wood for your Casa!

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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #406 on: December 05, 2018, 12:50:40 PM »
Has the system gotten up to temp yet?  I would think that after a week of burning you should have gotten it up to temp by now.  Even if you have been burning green wood, its not that cold out yet.
Yes, and no

I got it to 170F but I am really pushing it.

I have talked with Tim, the builder, some more. Seems I ran it for a couple weeks with wet wood and never got it up to temp, so now I managed to get the vent/baffle on the flue pretty clogged with cresode. My bad, but now I need to address the situation which may involve my allowing the fire to go out and dismantling the chimney.

Its just a learning curve, and i will get it cleaned and fired correctly. Currently, however as a rescue 911 effort I purchased one of those creosote burning log things. It might help, dunno, but it couldn't hurt. My hope is to burn the chimney clean and get the thing operating, but if need be, I'll do the partial tear down and fix, and then start it all up correctly.

Tim has been Johnny on the spot. He texts and calls me to check on my progress. I managed to burn out and destroy the air flapper solenoid, but he had left me a spare. He texted me to say he is sending me two more so I'll have spares should I manage to kill it again (and again)

Not that I'm hard on things! ;-))

Oh and the wood from Duane's is pretty good. Burns hot and completely burns up.
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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #407 on: December 05, 2018, 02:30:20 PM »
Just like the chimney on the pot belly stove when the guys would run it rich when they started it and by 2 am it won't even produce heat as there is so much residue in the stack.  Clean it up and let it breath.
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« Reply #408 on: December 05, 2018, 03:41:52 PM »
Just like the chimney on the pot belly stove when the guys would run it rich when they started it and by 2 am it won't even produce heat as there is so much residue in the stack.  Clean it up and let it breath.
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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #409 on: December 05, 2018, 04:26:13 PM »
Are the pre rangers still exempt on the duty roster?  A little soot on the hands builds character.
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« Reply #410 on: December 05, 2018, 04:45:03 PM »
Are the pre rangers still exempt on the duty roster?  A little soot on the hands builds character.

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« Reply #411 on: December 05, 2018, 10:35:28 PM »
Are the pre rangers still exempt on the duty roster?  A little soot on the hands builds character.
They have wrestling practice five nights a week and all day long, 0530-2230 on Saturdays. I get a little work out of them on Sundays, that's it!
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« Reply #412 on: December 05, 2018, 10:55:01 PM »
You know, when I was a kid games were the reward from work completed... :tongue: :popcorn:

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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #413 on: December 09, 2018, 08:50:01 PM »
OK, so I was having trouble maintaining temp with the thing, so I had a long talk with Tim.

I have to own it, but I never did get the thing up to operating temp and just lugged it for a couple weeks, which choked it up with tar and creosote.

After some consideration, Tim advised I just start all over from a cold start, so I shut it off and let it cool for three days.

Today I tore the chimney off

There has been a couple cords of wood burned in this thing and all I have is a couple inches of ash remaining. Proof that you definitely burn everything

The point where the creosote meets the ash pile, it forms a buildup which is fairly easily scraped off. Tim supplies you with a tool contoured to the burn chamber which simplifies the task. He says this place is where all the corrosion takes place
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Re: Wood Fired Boiler Install
« Reply #414 on: December 09, 2018, 08:50:53 PM »
Just look at the mess inside the flue!
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« Reply #415 on: December 09, 2018, 08:52:13 PM »
So I got to it with an eight inch chimney brush and a flexible handle
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« Reply #416 on: December 09, 2018, 08:53:51 PM »
After playing crankshaft and piston for awhile, I was left with a nice pile of junk in the ash pile and a much cleaner flue
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« Reply #417 on: December 09, 2018, 08:55:45 PM »
Next I went to installing my temporary shorter chimney stack. I added a "T" to it so I might have a cleanout entry point that isn't inside an oven or twenty feet up in the air.
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« Reply #418 on: December 09, 2018, 08:56:55 PM »
With that installed, I heaped the ash pile as per Tim's recommendations and put fire to it
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« Reply #419 on: December 09, 2018, 08:57:31 PM »
Cleanout:
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« Reply #420 on: December 09, 2018, 08:58:18 PM »
Smoke is moving as it should
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« Reply #421 on: December 09, 2018, 08:58:50 PM »
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« Reply #422 on: December 09, 2018, 08:59:39 PM »
Nasty stuff has tarnished my mirror roof!
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« Reply #423 on: December 09, 2018, 09:01:43 PM »
But look at what was happening:
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« Reply #424 on: December 09, 2018, 09:04:31 PM »
It topped around 173 when I started a slow switch on process of the pumps. Knowing the pumps would push a bunch of cold water back into the boiler, I gave it some time before switching on pump two, then a while longer before turning on the fans to extract the heat and warm the house.

An hour plus later now and although it is 20's outside it is toasty warm (Hot??) in here now.
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« Reply #425 on: December 09, 2018, 09:07:23 PM »
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« Reply #426 on: December 09, 2018, 09:34:34 PM »
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« Reply #427 on: December 11, 2018, 07:12:00 PM »
Don, how goes the heating of the home? Hopefully all is good now that you have cleaned out the crud and are feeding dry wood.

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« Reply #428 on: December 11, 2018, 09:10:01 PM »
Don, how goes the heating of the home? Hopefully all is good now that you have cleaned out the crud and are feeding dry wood.
It's working fairly well Bob.

It goes through some wood though, but it is still not dialed in

Right now I have the tempstat which cycles the air flapper door thing set to 180.

The unit will not maintain 180F water temp, not yet so the door just stays open. That allows a bunch of air in that the fire just loves. So it goes through wood quite regularly.

Also, I do not have a thermostat inside controlling the fan, I have just kept the fan continuously on. So essentially, the heat exchangers are constantly pulling heat off of it, so it never really has the chance to catch up.

The final answer will be to set the hydrostat temp at somewhere that is manageable. I thought about dropping it ten degrees, to 170 then get a simple two wire thermostat controlling the fan.

With all of that, the demand for heat will not be continuous, but only when needed. Instead of a 100% duty cycle, I think I can drop this thing to something less and still stay cozy. Last night it was in the teens, while my whole house remained between 72F and 73F. But it ate all the fuel pdq, and by luck I had to get up to talk to a man about a dog and went out and tossed some more dead tree parts in there. We woke to a toasty house, so its all good.

I haven't had the heat pumps even turned on since I restarted the fire
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« Reply #429 on: December 11, 2018, 09:11:50 PM »
Oh, and that powder creosote killin' powder stuff works. Inside my boiler the tar stuff is nearly gone. It dried out, turned papery and flaked off. The exhaust runs a lot closer to clear now as well. I think I'm beginning to get on top of the learning curve.
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« Reply #430 on: December 11, 2018, 09:31:03 PM »
So how much wood you burning per day?
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« Reply #431 on: December 11, 2018, 10:28:02 PM »
So how much wood you burning per day?
In 24 hours, cold, I'd say somewhere between one to two full wheel barrows.
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« Reply #432 on: December 12, 2018, 12:45:43 AM »
I wouldn't think the fire would be burning at such a high rate, but you are heating a lot of area, and it is cold outside. 180* water seems high. What temps did the sales guy say you should be shooting for?

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« Reply #433 on: December 12, 2018, 05:17:19 AM »
Talk to a guy about a dog?

Did you have to take a shovel?


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« Reply #434 on: December 12, 2018, 05:40:33 AM »
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« Reply #435 on: December 12, 2018, 11:25:26 AM »
Yea it burns a lot of wood, true

But that wood only cost me labor so far, so quantity, to a point is OK with me.

Now on the other side of the equation, my house stayed 74F most of last night, finishing with 73F this morning. And loads of hot water in the shower.
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« Reply #436 on: December 12, 2018, 11:31:37 AM »
running that fan full time has got to be drawing the heat off, prompting the flapper to stay open to maintain the heat. I'm sure you've figured this out though
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« Reply #437 on: December 12, 2018, 12:05:54 PM »
running that fan full time has got to be drawing the heat off, prompting the flapper to stay open to maintain the heat. I'm sure you've figured this out though

Yes, I realize that

But I am doing this in stages. First I had to figure out the boiler, which I think I am getting on top of. It is no longer all gunked up, but just has the normal char you'd expect to see. Next is the thermostat which should "Heal" the thing. Well, that and deciding on a proper boiler operating temp. So far I think 180F is too high, but I'm not experienced enough with it yet.
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« Reply #438 on: December 12, 2018, 02:00:08 PM »
A wheel barrel a day or 2 is not bad, but isn't it supposed to be a lot less?

Heating the entire house and hot water is good.
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« Reply #439 on: December 12, 2018, 03:51:29 PM »
A wheel barrel a day or 2 is not bad, but isn't it supposed to be a lot less?

Heating the entire house and hot water is good.
Naw, Tim said about a wheel barrow a day average.
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« Reply #440 on: December 16, 2018, 01:36:00 PM »
I can't believe you keep your castle at 74. My house is half that size and I run 68, in the 30s ambient.  Anymore than 68,  I'll have to get a second job.
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« Reply #441 on: December 16, 2018, 03:01:39 PM »

Ken, you see the 30's what two weeks a year at most? Where do you run the cooling in the Summer, 90*


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« Reply #442 on: December 16, 2018, 03:06:48 PM »
We set ours at 72 during waking hours at home in the winter. At night it’s 68-70.....
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« Reply #443 on: December 16, 2018, 05:37:12 PM »
I can't believe you keep your castle at 74. My house is half that size and I run 68, in the 30s ambient.  Anymore than 68,  I'll have to get a second job.
I target 71, Wife always bumps it up. I turn it back down when she isn't looking

Unregulated by a thermostat, the boiler was maintaining 74, even 75 on the first level and it hit an unbelievable 80F upstairs.

All that will change with the thermostat addition.

But no electric heating at all for weeks now...
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« Reply #444 on: December 16, 2018, 05:47:36 PM »
Heck, my wife bumps it down to like 65, I use 68-70. I refuse to bundle up.
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« Reply #445 on: December 17, 2018, 05:20:55 AM »
We have been playin the up and down in the new home, think the happy medium is 72 this winter.   Wishing the home was better insulated


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« Reply #446 on: December 17, 2018, 09:05:42 AM »
72 is comfortable, assuming the floors are warm as well.

Now if you're like 20's to early thirties young, then mid high 60's would be fine I think

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BTW, last night the house climbed to 76F and we actually opened doors to vent

And know what? That's a refreshing bennie of having a no cost heater with a big surplus. You can open the doors and vent all the stale air and freshen up at no real cost, and recovery time back to toastie is pdq.

So far the boiler is working really well, but no where near optimized

And I have noted that I don't seem to need to run super high temps around 180. if the thing is cookin in the one-teens, it still kicks out very good heat. The hot water is mo-betterer when the boiler is up, but that's it

Next test will be the upcoming bill EOM December.
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« Reply #447 on: December 17, 2018, 10:02:22 AM »
On some of the older homes here Don we would as a humidifier to run in the winter to keep the air from being so dry from blown air.   Do you have any issues with the new heat system giving out to much dry air?  I assume not because you already are really humid there


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« Reply #448 on: December 17, 2018, 05:37:16 PM »
On some of the older homes here Don we would as a humidifier to run in the winter to keep the air from being so dry from blown air.   Do you have any issues with the new heat system giving out to much dry air?  I assume not because you already are really humid there


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Humid, even in the winter

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« Reply #449 on: December 17, 2018, 06:00:14 PM »
Don, do you have an infrared heat gun? I checked the air coming out of the ductwork at about 93* and the line coming from the heat pump to the air handler is around 110-115*

 

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