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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #150 on: November 27, 2018, 09:27:42 PM »


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« Reply #151 on: November 27, 2018, 09:29:48 PM »
Getting started on it finally

Trying to scratch out a few minutes here and there can be a real challenge sometimes

Anyway, starting with the evaluation, everything I checked in here, visually was in tip-top condition, mostly.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #152 on: November 27, 2018, 09:31:12 PM »
I pulled the air filter...

Seems fine to me. It had been rubbing against the snorkel in the lower section of the box, but other than that, was not too old
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« Reply #153 on: November 27, 2018, 09:32:51 PM »
Here is that strange red colored electrode insulator. Gap is big, and I haven't checked, but I think it is supposed to be. Looking at a bit over .065" I think
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #154 on: November 27, 2018, 09:34:47 PM »
Belts and hoses were fine, but I think I'll put on a new belt, idler and tensioner when I change out the radiator fluid and T-stat

I do not like those gaudy mud flaps so they went the way of the trash
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« Reply #155 on: November 27, 2018, 09:36:07 PM »
Some rust, some dirt, but also evidence of recent work. I see someone had been working the UCA cams to set alignment
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« Reply #156 on: November 27, 2018, 09:36:56 PM »
A new Wix oil filter and some fresh dino to get things rolling
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« Reply #157 on: November 27, 2018, 09:38:36 PM »
The truck came with two sets of floor mats. I replaced the carpet ones for the aftermarket hard rubber even though they did not match.
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« Reply #158 on: November 27, 2018, 09:40:03 PM »
I folded up the third seat for now, although my intention is to remove it altogether and slid the factory carpet forward and placed the aftermarket mat behind it
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« Reply #159 on: November 27, 2018, 09:42:33 PM »
And this is one of the reasons I wanted to get back into a Suburban, the cavernous rear area. I'll have another foot with the removal of that third seat. If you can fold one of the second row seats forward, you can actually catch a catnap back there in a sleeping bag if the drive gets too long and you stumble across a rest stop with semis.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #160 on: November 27, 2018, 09:43:43 PM »
This three car + garage is pretty well filled with GM, HD sheet metal at the moment. The new wood fired boiler is keeping things very temperate in there.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #161 on: November 27, 2018, 09:45:29 PM »
Drop whatever you are doing and go check the fire..Don't let it get to low and have to start over

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« Reply #162 on: November 28, 2018, 12:45:20 AM »
Is your spare under the rear on this thing? Think they did that and put a saddle tank in it.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #163 on: November 28, 2018, 01:19:38 AM »
Is your spare under the rear on this thing? Think they did that and put a saddle tank in it.
Yes it would be on this year truck. They stopped doing the spare in the cargo area in the late 90s I believe.

Garage looks better with the GM stuff rather than Mopar... ;)


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #164 on: November 28, 2018, 08:41:59 AM »
Red plugs? Maybe farm fuel?  :)

Fuel additives can cause a reddish tint, Seafoam in particular.
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« Reply #165 on: November 28, 2018, 08:54:54 AM »
Is your spare under the rear on this thing? Think they did that and put a saddle tank in it.
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It does have the spare under the back, something I will certainly change.

No knowledge as to if there is an aux tank there or not. From my reading I noted that the 8.1 burbs got the saddle/aux tank, but did the 6.0's also net one??? Dunno, off to discovery!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #166 on: November 28, 2018, 08:55:55 AM »
Is your spare under the rear on this thing? Think they did that and put a saddle tank in it.
Yes it would be on this year truck. They stopped doing the spare in the cargo area in the late 90s I believe.

Garage looks better with the GM stuff rather than Mopar... ;)


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« Reply #167 on: November 28, 2018, 09:04:22 AM »
Red plugs? Maybe farm fuel?  :)

Fuel additives can cause a reddish tint, Seafoam in particular.
Farm gas? Didn't know such a thing existed. I've heard of and used red diesel, off road stuff, but gasoline? Proof that one is never done with learnin'

Now I can believe seafoam was used as it commonly is
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« Reply #168 on: November 28, 2018, 09:44:29 AM »


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« Reply #169 on: November 28, 2018, 11:15:55 AM »
Gentlemen, I think I have officially moved to a higher level of DOTing. Big D doesn’t fire me anymore you see & rarely responds to my comments. Then again maybe I’ve been fired permanently? I can’t recall getting a check lately and the benefits always were a little skimpy to start with so maybe I was just permanently fired. Or.... Hey Nate is there a way to block my comments? Maybe Dons blood pressure was getting to high and he just muted me?  :tongue:

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« Reply #170 on: November 28, 2018, 12:17:42 PM »
unfortunately there is not a way to mute specific users comments.....lol
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« Reply #171 on: November 28, 2018, 12:53:24 PM »
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« Reply #172 on: November 28, 2018, 03:26:52 PM »
Looking at the snickers like she is about to start a fluid change on something,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #173 on: November 28, 2018, 08:11:59 PM »
unfortunately there is not a way to mute specific users comments.....lol
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« Reply #174 on: November 28, 2018, 08:18:22 PM »
I have used this stuff for decades as a chassis lube. Used it today on all the usual places. Now have to spend some time cleaning up the overspray

All door hinges checked out tight as was the rear hatch. The lift cylinders were a bit on the weak side so I picked up a new pair. Ouch, those are spendy!
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« Reply #175 on: November 28, 2018, 08:19:24 PM »
Next up is bulb replacement

I like LEDs for more light output, daytime lighting colors, and reduced voltage pull
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« Reply #176 on: November 28, 2018, 08:20:47 PM »
Everyone already knows, but the headlights in these trucks are so easy to pull. Just lift the two retaining rads and you can pull the assembly right out
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« Reply #177 on: November 28, 2018, 08:22:59 PM »
Here is a poor side by side comparo between the halogens on the left and the LED's on the right, single bulb in each on.
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« Reply #178 on: November 28, 2018, 08:26:18 PM »
One of you folks, Cruzin?? Repar?? suggested I do the four lights on mod, so I did. Its easy and will keep the lows on when the highs are switched on for double the light output. I confirmed that the critical wire was indeed the single yellow on the drivers side. I used a wire tap which I connected to a short piece of 14 gage with a ring terminal grounded to a body bolt
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« Reply #179 on: November 28, 2018, 08:27:22 PM »
And just like that I have four much brighter lights on at the same time.
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« Reply #180 on: November 28, 2018, 08:29:06 PM »
I am suspicious of that battery. I tested it to have only 11.5 volts after some use of stuff on the truck. I charged it several times. 12.4, 13.3, and finally 14.3 volts. I don't recall seeing one holding 14 volts, so we'll see how it performs
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« Reply #181 on: November 28, 2018, 11:04:00 PM »
Next up is bulb replacement

I like LEDs for more light output, daytime lighting colors, and reduced voltage pull
I had a set of those Luyed backup bulbs in my F-150. Bees knees they were. What’s this high/low both on mod you’re doing? I had the fleece performance all light on module in my Duramax but it only worked when it felt like it.


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« Reply #182 on: November 29, 2018, 12:01:54 AM »
I want that mod too. I use a summit relay but it kills the driving lights on high beam.

And why those bulbs?
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« Reply #183 on: November 29, 2018, 09:17:00 AM »
Next up is bulb replacement

I like LEDs for more light output, daytime lighting colors, and reduced voltage pull
I had a set of those Luyed backup bulbs in my F-150. Bees knees they were. What’s this high/low both on mod you’re doing? I had the fleece performance all light on module in my Duramax but it only worked when it felt like it.


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« Reply #184 on: November 29, 2018, 09:19:40 AM »
I want that mod too. I use a summit relay but it kills the driving lights on high beam.

And why those bulbs?
So easy JR, takes maybe 5 min

You can also jump the wiring to the DRL and Fogs to bring them on as well.

Me: Not sure what I am going to do with the DRL. Since GM cuts the voltage to drive them, I FIRST need to know that circuit will not diminish the voltage to the LEDs which would then be responsible for a shortened lifespan.

Generally, I just pull the DRL fuse and rock on

This one, I need to read a bit more.

JTM bulbs because I have loads of positive experience with them. They are a good compromise between the best (Costly) and the Econ bulbs and these put out lumens right up there with the best.
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« Reply #185 on: November 29, 2018, 10:19:22 AM »
JDM? $70 a set is not bad if they are good.

Your burb has the same house as mine so if they work that's great!
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« Reply #186 on: November 29, 2018, 11:34:14 AM »
JDM? $70 a set is not bad if they are good.

Your burb has the same house as mine so if they work that's great!
It should work, JR, although I do not know what affect the peripheral electronics you added may have.
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« Reply #187 on: November 29, 2018, 11:41:03 AM »
Someone also mentioned BlackBear performance.

I was just shooting for one huge step, a turbo which would certainly answer any current or future power needs.

But, as is usually the case, I got to thinking about it. Do I need 600-700HP? I am thinking that probably not, as this is not a racing vehicle, and never will be. So what amount of power would I need in this "Practical" model we are looking at here?

I have read that the BlackBear LQ4 tune can add an astounding 63 HP! That is remarkable. If I were to open the exhaust (Long tubes) and the intake, I could possibly be looking at 400HP, which with respect to the considerable weight of a burb start to approach the bottom tier of acceptable performance.

Should I then in a second stage of modifications bolt in a cam and some good heads along with the proper transmission tuning, would I arrive at the desired performance level?

Going a third step of adding a blower would not make sense from a cost perspective, and If I planned initially to go that route, then I'd be better off just bolting on the turbo, tune it and drive .

So, I sent an email to Black Bear to get their read on the proposal. Lets see what they say...
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« Reply #188 on: November 29, 2018, 03:21:43 PM »
Focus on torque improvement. HP usually equals high rpm and I hated my 2001 gasser because to make any power it was at 4100 rpm

4100 IIRC is the factory max torque RPM. A low overlap camshaft and a small centrifugal supercharger would be the ticket.

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« Reply #189 on: November 29, 2018, 03:27:46 PM »
Now your thinking straight on the power needs. Tunes, exhaust/intake and gearing will get you what you need without big bucks and work.
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« Reply #190 on: November 29, 2018, 03:36:05 PM »
You can also use a small 1001 diode and forward bias the headlight relays in the fuse box.

All on mod on the other forums will give you the details.
Literally a few seconds to do the mod if you just stick the diode  in with the relay posts.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #191 on: November 29, 2018, 04:01:47 PM »
You can also use a small 1001 diode and forward bias the headlight relays in the fuse box.

All on mod on the other forums will give you the details.
Literally a few seconds to do the mod if you just stick the diode  in with the relay posts.

Sounds like a plan.
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« Reply #192 on: November 29, 2018, 06:14:29 PM »
I suggest scrapping the burb

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« Reply #193 on: November 29, 2018, 06:31:50 PM »
I want that, looks like I could even fit all the kids in there........or be able to effectively run away from them in comfort.


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« Reply #195 on: November 29, 2018, 09:40:19 PM »
Grunt, got it

Seems I spent half my life surrounded by em

Now I'm supposed to produce more?

Well, both pre-rangers want to be in the infantry, so is that good enough? I made two...

Serious note, first, nothing heard back from BlackBear yet

So I went around and stuck LED's in all the door entry illumination lights. They made a huge improvement

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« Reply #196 on: November 29, 2018, 09:40:47 PM »
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TRN, couldn’t he just hire a full blown rebuild of the burb for the less than the cost of that thing? Definitely a hired duramax swap or two....

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« Reply #197 on: November 29, 2018, 09:42:24 PM »
Then I went after the interior dome lights. It seems the center seat row lights were replaced with a DVD unit for bonehead entertainment, but there remains dual map lights.

Behind that in the cargo area was two domes which I changed over to LEDs
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TRN, couldn’t he just hire a full blown rebuild of the burb for the less than the cost of that thing? Definitely a hired duramax swap or two....
Sure could

And besides

I don't like the new stuff

I MUCH prefer the mostly simpler to work on and understand earlier stuff. I'll keep my cards and play em just as they are thank U very much!
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« Reply #199 on: November 29, 2018, 09:45:47 PM »
Of course, I replaced the rear back up lights with LEds which increased the available illumination many times over stock.

Note how clean the inner body is. No hint of corrosion!
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