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TOOLS, CONSTRUCTION, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY => What are you building? => Topic started by: TexasRedNeck on April 19, 2017, 07:15:30 PM
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I received this in the email box today from my serving company. Anyone heard of this or doubt it?
Regarding Air Conditioning systems that currently operate with R22 refrigerant:
It is important for you to be aware that R22 refrigerant is being rationed to ALL air conditioning contractors across the country, the current limit is two 30 pound cylinders per purchase per company. By 2020, R22 refrigerant will not be manufactured or imported.
How does this impact you, as a consumer?
If your system is not cooling and is low on refrigerant, R22 refrigerant may not be available to recharge to get you cool again. A system holds about 10-12 pounds depending on size and line sets. The cost of refrigerant (if it is available) this summer is going to be expensive, upwards of $100 per pound and rising.
Just a reminder, air conditioning systems are closed, they are not supposed to lose refrigerant. If an older R22 system is low, chances are there is a leak. Refilling an older system with R22 will not stop the leak, nor will it stop the loss of the expensive refrigerant you just paid for.
What exactly is the refrigerant phase out?
All the way back in 1993, there were rumblings in the HVAC industry that there was going to be a phase out of HCFCs (hydrochlorofluorocarbons), which are ozone-depleting substances (ODS). The EPA established a phase-out frame work and schedule: R-22 refrigerant (Freon) was among those on the list. They began by phasing out the worst of the HCFCs and by 2010, it was R22’s turn to start getting phased out.
January 1, 2010 marked the date that manufacturers could no longer make condensers that used the old R22 refrigerant. By January 1, 2020, there will be no more R22 refrigerant. January 1, 2020 marks the date that R22 will no longer be manufactured or imported. Since we are already experiencing a rationing of the refrigerant right now in 2017, we do not expect there to be any R22 available anywhere by the 2020 cut off.
We feel it is important to make sure our customers with R22 systems, have this information.
Our intention is to give you the advantage of being able to budget and plan ahead, so that you do not suffer in our Hot Humid Houston climate this summer. With this information ahead of time, you have the advantage of weighing out what system best suits your needs and budget. Thereby avoiding the panic that may push you to rush into a decision because your system is out and there is no refrigerant left to get you up and running.
If you are interested in putting together a plan with budget numbers you can reach out to us at:
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They speak the truth. Don't know about what they will be charging this year but do know it will soon be gone. My system here in Bullhead City fits the R-22 problem where as my system up in WA has the newer stuff in it. Problem down here is the whole system will need to be replaced, and the air-handler is in the attic. Had to replace my capacitor this year down here so don't know how much longer until I will need to replace the whole thing.
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I had a leak in one of my heat pumps, and had to buy 4 pounds of R22 at over $400
I'm looking to replace both systems, as my primary residence has two big heat pumps
Can anyone say ouch!
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Yeah, it's getting scarce and pricey.
I don't envy the heat pump replacement idea Don.
Ouch will be an understatement.
Stupid EPA and others.
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I thought they could pump out the R22 & pump back in the new stuff?
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They 'can'. But the system must be 100%. And the compressor needs different oil.
There may also be a couple other catches, but I think most can.
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I thought they could pump out the R22 & pump back in the new stuff?
I think they can, however the R34 is no where as efficient as the Freon, so your sustems either need different parts or they operate at substantial lower efficiency
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I think Don meant R44, for home/industrial cooling direct replacement. R134a is the auto version, that replaces R12.
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My system uses Puron, is that the 22? System is 15 years old but runs great.
I have a full container of 134 stored and have been getting a universal freon for use now called Enviro-safe. Anyone used that, supposed to be 12 and 134 compliant.
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I think Don meant R44, for home/industrial cooling direct replacement. R134a is the auto version, that replaces R12.
Heck, I don't know what I meant
But looking at the AC parts for SquareD, I am now wondering what I should do to fit out that critter
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I think you should get it moving on it's own power then worry about the ac....... :popcorn:
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I think you should get it moving on it's own power then worry about the ac....... :popcorn:
BANG!!! :beercheers:
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I think you should get it moving on it's own power then worry about the ac....... :popcorn:
Running... then moving... then stopping... THEN cooling. :knucklehead:
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Hey, can't blame the guy for wanting ac in the rolling parts bin. Thinking long naps looking over the hide from the front seat......
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It does have everything, stored nicely in the garage.
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I think you should get it moving on it's own power then worry about the ac....... :popcorn:
I will...Just thinking down the road
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My system uses Puron, is that the 22? System is 15 years old but runs great.
I have a full container of 134 stored and have been getting a universal freon for use now called Enviro-safe. Anyone used that, supposed to be 12 and 134 compliant.
Carrier air handler and Bryant out door unit at home(same company), and the sticker on the out door is puron installed. My unit has the newer gas so I am betting Puron is their name for the new stuff.
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All this talk about R22 and our Heat/AC being 16 yrs. old, has me looking into replacing both to avoid a untimely and unplanned expense.....hopefully the tax return covers it. Sister-in-law's family is in the business; hoping the family price is cheaper than expected - guess I'll find out if I've ever "displeased" her! LOL :grin:
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I just learned that puron is R410 and runs at a higher pressure. You are GTG.
http://www.colonyac.com/webapp/p/224/freon-vs.-puron
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Reading all of this just made me greatful we bought a newer home again rather then an older unit.
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Reading all this has me filled with a feeling of impending doom everytime I look outside at those two big units...