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Re: 3+3 2500
« Reply #150 on: February 03, 2019, 06:20:43 PM »
Yeah I’m just kicking tires right now. I do like the idea of a link set up


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Thinking ORD kinda lead the way on that swap, not saying to use them but might be a good source for info.
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« Reply #151 on: February 03, 2019, 08:10:12 PM »
Like it all.
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« Reply #152 on: February 04, 2019, 06:46:01 AM »
i know for sure he outsources a lot of stuff from other companies, but ecehrbjng i’ve bought from him
that he didn’t make has always been just what you can get it for from then as well. he just bundles it all together with a kit or an entire order so shipping is cut down. the parts he does make in-house like brackets and adapters are all top quality pieces and priced competitively with what i would make them for hahah.

but back to the actual thread topic.. hahah.

opinions/thoughts on the large disk brake dust shields. i may have been able to straighten out and get the old ones close to fitting. but if push came to shove, would you run them or not? the backs won’t have any.. but fronts might/could.

just taking a poll..

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« Reply #153 on: February 04, 2019, 11:11:55 AM »
Need them on the front, rear is OK but they don't get same road debris or abuse as the front does.
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« Reply #154 on: February 04, 2019, 07:27:39 PM »
noted.

i’ll get them cleaned up hopefully fitted before too long. maybe one of these late nights my wife works. (and before the jokes come a rollin in.. she’s a CPA hahaha)

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« Reply #155 on: February 04, 2019, 10:24:19 PM »
I haven’t had any dust shields on my duramax for over 50k.  I cut them off to change out wheel speed sensors


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« Reply #156 on: February 04, 2019, 10:45:43 PM »
I haven’t had any dust shields on my duramax for over 50k.  I cut them off to change out wheel speed sensors


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Can’t believe I’m saying this but I agree with Dave ^^^^

I ditch them every time.....
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« Reply #157 on: February 05, 2019, 10:23:38 PM »
needle bearings installed in spindles



anyone have any issues with where i’ve painted the spindles..?





there was just too much bare metal to leave it that way..

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« Reply #158 on: February 05, 2019, 10:32:23 PM »
I don’t paint between where spindle mounts and knuckle normally. However, knuckles are painted so not sure why it would matter. If paint is too thick it may scrap as you bolt two surfaces together would be only thing I could see happening.
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« Reply #159 on: February 05, 2019, 10:41:11 PM »
i thought that, so lightly lightly dusted the mating surface. most of the targeted area was the edge that faces the outside. and then the inside out from where the hub seal is.

that ok..?

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« Reply #160 on: February 05, 2019, 10:44:16 PM »
i can most likely get it off if needed. and the knuckles are mostly just overspray on them. alittle bit of primer to keep from rusting but not coated on black paint by any means.

i’d just hate to see shiny new parts get rusted in 2 weeks. lol.

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« Reply #161 on: February 05, 2019, 10:51:15 PM »
i can most likely get it off if needed. and the knuckles are mostly just overspray on them. alittle bit of primer to keep from rusting but not coated on black paint by any means.

i’d just hate to see shiny new parts get rusted in 2 weeks. lol.

I don’t see an issue, was surprised when you cleared the axle shafts. Lol, never saw that done either but it’s probably a decent idea. Most of my builds are not for show so not my expertise. Keep up the great work!  :likebutton:
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« Reply #162 on: February 05, 2019, 11:54:35 PM »
I don't see an issue either, but seeing the rust in there made me think a little.

I have seen rebuilds where they rub anti-seize on the surface.

Must say it looks good though.
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Re: 3+3 2500
« Reply #163 on: February 06, 2019, 09:19:52 AM »
Nice. Paint should be ok. I always siliconed the backside anyways, to help keep water out of those little bearings (probably doesn't help much because moisture usually comes from the axle seal, eventually)
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Re: 3+3 2500
« Reply #164 on: February 06, 2019, 10:26:49 AM »
i can most likely get it off if needed. and the knuckles are mostly just overspray on them. alittle bit of primer to keep from rusting but not coated on black paint by any means.

i’d just hate to see shiny new parts get rusted in 2 weeks. lol.

I don’t see an issue, was surprised when you cleared the axle shafts. Lol, never saw that done either but it’s probably a decent idea. Most of my builds are not for show so not my expertise. Keep up the great work!  :likebutton:
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« Reply #165 on: February 06, 2019, 10:55:30 AM »
What is this sq d you speak of?
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« Reply #166 on: February 06, 2019, 01:08:48 PM »
What is this sq d you speak of?
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« Reply #167 on: February 06, 2019, 08:39:24 PM »
not much work today, been building a deck last 2 days. cleaned off the rotors where i painted the edges/inside. came out nice i think.



and the dust slinger around the outer axle shafts



and i finished painting the rear of the inner axles..

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« Reply #168 on: February 06, 2019, 09:06:31 PM »
Don't you wish that paint would stay, well, painted?

Looking at SquareD the other day, much of that nice cleanly painted stuff has little "Hints" of rust. I mean, how does that stuff start?You cover the metal completely, but it rusts anyway!
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« Reply #169 on: February 06, 2019, 09:34:12 PM »
i do. but hopefully the wind blowing through this big girls hair as she glides down the road will help prevent such ‘rusting’ from occurring..

yes. shots fired over the bow.

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« Reply #170 on: February 06, 2019, 09:46:52 PM »
That's just mean!!!!!!! :wink:
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« Reply #171 on: February 06, 2019, 10:34:08 PM »
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« Reply #172 on: February 07, 2019, 09:03:55 AM »
:popcorn:
I bet you stand around and watch two women fight too!  ;-))
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« Reply #173 on: February 07, 2019, 09:51:48 AM »
Now now, we would stand around and watch two men fight and we are taught by the Dems that gender doesn’t matter so. Yes Jr is right to watch to ladies fight.   

Good job Jr! Way to adapt to your surroundings.  Make sure you get a good view with your camera phone


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« Reply #174 on: February 07, 2019, 03:07:24 PM »
(ignoring all the small talk jibber jabber..)

i think i’m going to not run the the disk shields. so i’ll see about assembly tonight ..

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« Reply #175 on: February 07, 2019, 09:40:54 PM »
progress!!

larger outer seal that presses again the face of the spindle


spacer disk



inner seal that goes into the spindle where the needle bearings reside



spindle, caliper bracket and inner dust shield



both sides done





proof i painted the inside sections of the inner axles!! hahah



my question.. how much axle grease should be put back in to the hubs? i mean.. i have a general idea. but didn’t know if someone knew an exact amount. or a better method. hahah

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« Reply #176 on: February 07, 2019, 10:35:43 PM »
I stuff a bunch in there. You want to ensure it will leak in the future! ;-))
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« Reply #177 on: February 08, 2019, 07:29:28 AM »
hahaha. i mean.. i guess that’s one way to gauge it.

i smeared it on the stub shaft and more on the needle bearings inside the spindles.. as well as the splines on the end (they will get more) not wasn’t sure if inside the spindle around the stub shaft needed to be solid grease or..?

the hubs will get a fair amount and i’m sure it’ll spread around in there when it warms up. just don’t want to starve the needle bearings. that’s what happened in its last life.

more pics to follow tonight hopefully..

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« Reply #178 on: February 08, 2019, 09:30:05 AM »
Ken, what say yee on this matter?

We have a valid question here.

How much grease is the right amount??
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« Reply #179 on: February 08, 2019, 09:42:42 AM »
Just pack the bearings like any other set, and lube the hub, not submerge it in a tub. Too much grease makes bearings run hotter. You did the needles the way I would.... there's only so much you can get in there without filling the spindle. Good for 30k if not mud bogging
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« Reply #180 on: February 08, 2019, 12:12:18 PM »
this is what i did. new needle bearings came packed with grease but i added a smear on them after installed


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« Reply #181 on: February 08, 2019, 12:14:38 PM »
also, original bearings were in good shape, but not i’m considering just doing new completely since the only ‘old’ thing on there is the hub itself

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« Reply #182 on: February 08, 2019, 06:35:37 PM »
before and after..



all done



1 hub complete. touched up the heads on the inside and then the gaps created by the hub cut outs around the studs. (used a cardboard cutout for the rotor face overspray)


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« Reply #183 on: February 08, 2019, 07:46:49 PM »
Them look mighty pretty


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« Reply #184 on: February 09, 2019, 07:24:28 PM »
lots accomplished midday. i’ll only show one side. since both were done the same way

put alittle grease in the hub with a paint stirrer



dropped the cleaned and repacked bearing in



set the seal on



driven down
(only thing different from one side to the other is the seal depth. driver side i accidentally ran it about 1/8” lower than the face. but i put some gear oil on the lip, pushed it on and inspected where it landed on the seal surface of the spindle. was about 1/3 the distance in from the inner most portion of the seal surface. (it’s about 1/8” past flush) even if it was flush, it wouldn’t have reached all the way in. if anyone sees any issue when this whatsoever, tell me now. i can pull that hub off and redo it tomorrow..



bare spindle. look how beefy that 35 spline stub shaft is!



hub slipped on



bearing in



upgraded spindle nut with pin instead of the fold down tabs



hole filled washer



can see the pin through the hole. takes alittle fiddling to get it right. moving the nut some and flipping the washer over gets it after the 2nd or 3rd time



outer nut on and torqued to 70 ft/lbs



this is my only concern.. these are warn 35 spline hubs. as you can see, the snap ring groove is about 3/16”-1/4” away from the inner spline of the hub. when i push the half shaft in, the snap ring doesn’t make it to the hub spline.. it seems as if the inside surface of the inner axle shaft “U” is hitting the axle tub itself, which is stopping further onboard movement. am i right..? or did i miss something?? everything turns amazingly smooth.. no binding or even scrapping sound from the inner axle shafts on the tube (so maybe they aren’t touching) but i just can’t remember if on my ford i had to pull the stub shaft out to get the snap ring on and it held it out..



everything else went nicely though. it may be the bevel around the end of my hubs.. but the gap between the silver warn hub and black hub assembly just looks alittle wide. i think the oring seated nicely though.. so idk







getting all buttoned up..



one last look inside before getting sealed off



assembled



really liking this hardware..



sorry for the poor lighting. i’m going to try and get it outside or at least turned some so it’ll catch better..



i forgot how wide this sucker is!! for the longest time it was just a tube and diff. lol.

just short a tie rod and she will be good to set under a truck..

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« Reply #185 on: February 10, 2019, 09:35:41 AM »
Looking great. Always impressed with your work. Top shelf!


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« Reply #186 on: February 10, 2019, 09:48:00 AM »
That needs one of Shawn's diff covers

I sure do like the look of clean parts. Such a pity what the elements will eventually do to that.
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« Reply #187 on: February 10, 2019, 10:03:26 AM »
what are these covers you speak of..?

and as long as it’s elements from driving down the road and not from sitting motionless in a garage.. i’ll be ok with redoing it every once in awhile. (and no.. that wasn’t a slight at square D.. that was legitimate. there’s been an LS powered scout sitting in the building for 3+ years nearly untouched.. hopefully that’ll change soon)

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« Reply #188 on: February 10, 2019, 11:15:32 AM »
Did you have any extra washers left over? ...pretty sure there should be a thrust washer under the clip.

Shawn's bullet proof covers:

https://www.greatlakeoffroad.com/product-category/glo/differential/


... edit: maybe no washers on the d60, but did see a few threads on that issue with 35 splines, like this one:
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« Reply #189 on: February 10, 2019, 12:23:45 PM »
i read the original post but couldn’t see any pics (all blocked)

i dont seem to be having the ‘constant lock’ scenario.. but more just the snap ring groove not doing anything.. so either i can make/have some washers made to ride between the snap ring and inner spline is hub. or regroove it? i think either way i’m pulling the hubs off to see if the stub shaft sticks out past the hub at all..

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« Reply #190 on: February 10, 2019, 12:26:00 PM »
may go do that right now.. hah.

shouldn’t take long. pull warns off. push axle out and see.

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« Reply #191 on: February 10, 2019, 12:47:34 PM »
sticking out a tad.. but will engage and disengage fine.

still, doesn’t change the fact that the stub shaft can walk in and out at will..



what would you make the washer out of? and/or would you regroove or make a thrust washer?

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« Reply #192 on: February 10, 2019, 01:30:12 PM »
That last pic was at rest, or prying it outward? It has to have a little tension on the clip to keep the seal tight on the backside.
I used Tapatalk and all the pics showed up for me...his stuck out the same as yours.

I like the washer idea better because it's hard to cut a groove like that and keep the edges sharp, which might allow the clip to slip in a hardcore 4wd situation (at least in my mind). I know the d44s have washers, because I worked on quite a few back in the day.
..any washer would work, since it turns with the hub, as long as you get the right thickness.
Again, pry it out and wedge it tight (on the backside) to get correct measurement.
I would probably still grind the end off just to be safe... the heat won't affect the important section.
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« Reply #193 on: February 10, 2019, 01:45:31 PM »
i can definitely get a piece made by a local guy. i know what you mean when you say pry it out.. but my question is, exactly how hard? where the flex lip seal is a bit ‘squishy’ or bottomed all the way out?  the snap ring on the 35 spline axles are spring steel, not the standard ‘snap ring’ you think of that use pliers to spred apart. think of a flattened out version of a key ring. the outer sbap ring that holds the hub in and is the same kind, and requires ‘spinnin/threading on’ unlike the 30 spline ones that simply clip in.

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« Reply #194 on: February 10, 2019, 02:03:05 PM »
just reread your post sorry
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« Reply #195 on: February 10, 2019, 02:53:15 PM »
That needs one of Shawn's diff covers

I sure do like the look of clean parts. Such a pity what the elements will eventually do to that.
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Re: 3+3 2500
« Reply #196 on: February 10, 2019, 04:21:21 PM »
Very nice work (cudo's on painting the shaft)

Doesn't the outer shaft have to walk a little?

Did you have to bore the spindle for the 35 spline axles? I have a ford and chevy to do, but I may change the ford outers to chevy.
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« Reply #197 on: February 10, 2019, 08:28:31 PM »
i don’t think you can swap ford and chevy. 5 vs 6 bolts for spindles. and ford spindles are shorter than chevy and dodge. bearings are the same, but distances are off.

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« Reply #198 on: February 10, 2019, 11:56:35 PM »
I know, would need the entire outer.
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« Reply #199 on: February 11, 2019, 12:01:47 AM »
I wouldn't make it completely bottomed out/tight. Too much pressure could wear the Warn hub guts out, and the seal.
No JR, they aren't supposed to float. The seal wouldn't keep out dust/water, and if it works it's way too far inward , the inner shaft yoke could contact the axle tube.
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