Author Topic: 2010 F350 Extended Cab Cummins 24V Swap (Read 23232 times)

stlaser · « **Reply #300 on:** February 06, 2021, 03:30:54 PM »

Ordered all the exterior axle components (ball joints, unit bearings, tie rod / track bar ends and knuckle seals) this morning for the front axle rebuild.

As far as the locker I have two options on the shelf. A used Detroit I picked up and then a new zip locker. I’m fond of my Detroit’s and the lack of having to deal with faulty seals potentially or an air compressor.

Need to check inventory on an install kit and set of reverse cut 3.73 gears.

On another note I’m considering ditching the Np273 transfer case in exchange for an np205. I sent a message out to northwest fab to see if they can accommodate the 34 spline input needed to Nate to the np205. Then hit up Seth and picked his brain and he mentioned ORD could accommodate that with the magnum box in front of the NP205. I don’t think I actually need the extra gearing but if it’s the only option then maybe.....

JR · « **Reply #301 on:** February 07, 2021, 01:12:41 PM »

Talk about monster undercarriage. I take it this is a write off for the shop?

stlaser · « **Reply #302 on:** February 07, 2021, 03:26:01 PM »

Quote from: JR on February 07, 2021, 01:12:41 PM

Talk about monster undercarriage. I take it this is a write off for the shop?

Nope, just my build for my truck

stlaser · « **Reply #303 on:** February 07, 2021, 06:07:24 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on February 05, 2021, 09:17:13 AM

The other workable option for the rear is a Dana 80 swap when I go thru that axle. I have one from a F350 99-04 in the shop and measures 72” wms roughly.

I have as well a 99-04 f450/f550 80 that measures 74.5” wms but hubs are 8 on like 200 or 225. I believe I can rob hubs from the F350 Dana 80 to get 8 on 170 or worst case weld and machine hubs to the 8 on 170 (also have to turn down the hub diameter a bit to fit 8 on 170 wheels then. Leaf spring mounts are correct on either axle.

So I was incorrect on that 99-04 F450/F550 Dana 80 dually rear axle I had. It is in fact an 06 F350 Dana 80 dually rear axle, from quick research it appears the 8 on 170 dually hubs from the 99-04 F350 Dana 80 will be a direct swap onto it. I have an email out to Tate to verify and get the remaining parts on order for it. The downside is it has 35 spline shafts versus 37, if they give me issues I can always easily upgrade to 300m double splined in the future.

stlaser · « **Reply #304 on:** February 10, 2021, 04:13:11 PM »

Ordered last of axle build components from Tate this morning while sitting in traffic on way to pick up this slightly used Detroit and a 90’s ford hp kingpin srw axle. Package deal and I’m ending up with this for less than free to go in the fat 60

Score! Love me some detroits

On way down I dropped off both axle housings plus the steering knuckles to be blasted.

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stlaser · « **Reply #305 on:** February 11, 2021, 08:58:48 PM »

So I believe I spoke of buying a new rear Dana 80 Yukon dura grip. After speaking with Tate I decided on a clutch rebuild kit for this Trak-lok oem Dana limited slip. I’m hoping his clutch kit comes with cross pin and new side gears (after looking elsewhere it seems most do) but I cleaned the side gears up best I could if not. This Dana 80 was a core axle I’ve had on shelf for awhile from an 06 F350. Rebuilding this will save several hundred over a new dura grip.

The next pics are of the used Detroit and oem Dana 3.73 take out gears I plan on using in the new “fat 60” front axle.

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stlaser · « **Reply #306 on:** February 23, 2021, 05:37:21 PM »

Sold exhaust off of it and brought home the newly blasted axle housings today

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stlaser · « **Reply #307 on:** February 26, 2021, 05:49:10 PM »

Too cold to spray and open doors so I started brushing on some chassis saver to the motor mounts, knuckles and front blasted fat 60 housing

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stlaser · « **Reply #308 on:** March 07, 2021, 03:51:52 PM »

Motor is set into place, need to pull it and plate in cross member. It was too close to pan for my liking.

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JR · « **Reply #309 on:** March 07, 2021, 03:56:24 PM »

Heck, why not ad a plate to both sides and make it so you can remove the crossmember and pull the pan?

stlaser · « **Reply #310 on:** March 07, 2021, 05:04:42 PM »

Quote from: JR on March 07, 2021, 03:56:24 PM

Heck, why not ad a plate to both sides and make it so you can remove the crossmember and pull the pan?

Actually that’s a pretty good idea

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #311 on:** March 07, 2021, 06:07:31 PM »

That thing is gonna be so bad ass

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KensAuto · « **Reply #312 on:** March 07, 2021, 06:25:58 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on March 07, 2021, 05:04:42 PM

Quote from: JR on March 07, 2021, 03:56:24 PM
Heck, why not ad a plate to both sides and make it so you can remove the crossmember and pull the pan?

Actually that’s a pretty good idea

Agree. Sucks trying to pull a pan on one of those without pulling the engine.

That fuel line set-up looks pretty clean.

stlaser · « **Reply #313 on:** March 07, 2021, 06:29:22 PM »

Thanks guys, crazy carl’s turbos sold me the lines

JR · « **Reply #314 on:** March 07, 2021, 06:42:44 PM »

That is a monster, love to see it run!

stlaser · « **Reply #315 on:** March 07, 2021, 06:59:00 PM »

Quote from: JR on March 07, 2021, 06:42:44 PM

That is a monster, love to see it run!

Me too, trying to get it going little by little. Super busy, bigger shop in works etc etc etc......

JR · « **Reply #316 on:** March 07, 2021, 07:55:25 PM »

Thats good!!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #317 on:** March 08, 2021, 04:03:44 PM »

Coming together So cool!

And Shawn's going to wheel/Rock this thing at the real man meet up!

Can't wait

Does that mean you're loaning the JK to Dave(s)?

I'm so bad!!!

stlaser · « **Reply #318 on:** March 08, 2021, 08:18:44 PM »

I’ll be blessed if it’s done by then, I doubt it though.

stlaser · « **Reply #319 on:** March 09, 2021, 07:00:10 PM »

JR, here you go it’s done.....

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JR · « **Reply #320 on:** March 09, 2021, 07:18:45 PM »

Nice job, looks cleaner too.

stlaser · « **Reply #321 on:** March 09, 2021, 07:33:16 PM »

Quote from: JR on March 09, 2021, 07:18:45 PM

Nice job, looks cleaner too.

Thanks, good idea and worth the six hours or so to get it right.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #322 on:** March 09, 2021, 08:04:23 PM »

Yea, that looks right

JR · « **Reply #323 on:** March 09, 2021, 08:11:49 PM »

I would round off the corners is all if you haven't. Might save some blood later,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sammconn · « **Reply #324 on:** March 09, 2021, 09:27:33 PM »

Nice touch.

Am I the only one that noticed the redneck engine hoist.
I AM a fan just shocked nobody said anything about TWO clamps and some square tube holding that behemoth up.

stlaser · « **Reply #325 on:** March 09, 2021, 09:48:45 PM »

Quote from: Sammconn on March 09, 2021, 09:27:33 PM

Nice touch.

Am I the only one that noticed the redneck engine hoist.
I AM a fan just shocked nobody said anything about TWO clamps and some square tube holding that behemoth up.

Needed a little more reach......

2x3 x 3/16 wall and HD adjustable clamps (largest I had in shop). That Cummins hung from it for over 6 hours today. About once an hour I had to start forklift and tilt the mast back up, other than that it worked well.

JR · « **Reply #326 on:** March 09, 2021, 09:49:52 PM »

Looks normal to me,,,,,,,,,

stlaser · « **Reply #327 on:** March 10, 2021, 11:44:03 AM »

Motor is currently sitting level cocked in the motor mounts. Once trans is installed it will sit with 4-5 degree rake picking the front of motor up and have even more clearance underneath.

Sammconn · « **Reply #328 on:** March 10, 2021, 12:15:55 PM »

Looks good.

Like I said. I did like the lift...just curious as to how No one had mentioned.
I’m well known for sketchy well red-neck engineered solutions...

stlaser · « **Reply #329 on:** March 10, 2021, 06:35:49 PM »

Quote from: Sammconn on March 10, 2021, 12:15:55 PM

Looks good.

Like I said. I did like the lift...just curious as to how No one had mentioned.
I’m well known for sketchy well red-neck engineered solutions...

stlaser · « **Reply #330 on:** March 11, 2021, 03:07:11 PM »

Little more coming together

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JR · « **Reply #331 on:** March 11, 2021, 03:24:18 PM »

Doesn't even look that tight, nice work!

Where is the adapter from?

stlaser · « **Reply #332 on:** March 11, 2021, 03:49:42 PM »

Quote from: JR on March 11, 2021, 03:24:18 PM

Doesn't even look that tight, nice work!

Where is the adapter from?

Guy by the name of Mike Fuchs, found him on a fummins fb page. He does this and the trans adapter plates. This mount reuses the ford alternator and ac compressor. Only down side is you need a Cummins belt tensioner, it would have been nice just to use one of the two ford tensioners I had left over from 6.4 but he doesn’t offer that option yet.

JR · « **Reply #333 on:** March 11, 2021, 03:55:32 PM »

I have the factory brackets for mine but I think I can use a GM alt and i raises it up so you don't have to notch the GM frame.

Really on the back burner now with the ridge going and the sub runs OK.

stlaser · « **Reply #334 on:** March 11, 2021, 09:01:35 PM »

I’m currently waiting on the fan pulley, third one I’ve bought now so crossing fingers it’s correct. Ordered a 1” spacer for the aftermarket air intake horn which is needed to clear the p pump injection lines. Finished the day starting to mock up the ford steering pump mount, will post pics tomorrow of that process.

stlaser · « **Reply #335 on:** March 12, 2021, 09:37:26 PM »

Mocked up a bracket to hold the oem ford power steering pump, still need to pull it off and weld / paint

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JR · « **Reply #336 on:** March 13, 2021, 12:20:05 AM »

Very nice, but it might need a brace. Fillet those welds!

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #337 on:** March 13, 2021, 08:05:18 AM »

Looks good Shawn. What method did you use to ensure its square to the crank?

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stlaser · « **Reply #338 on:** March 13, 2021, 08:52:04 AM »

Quote from: JR on March 13, 2021, 12:20:05 AM

Very nice, but it might need a brace. Fillet those welds!

Already have one coming from top down to front of block just didn’t get pics JR.

Charles, I tried eyeballing it. Then using my thumb like painters do, I even tried that hokee ky windage baloney.

Alas none of it seemed to work though unfortunately. So I eventually used a piece of 1” x 1/4” aluminum bar laid across the alternator pulley to this pulley. Squared it from front face of block and then ran a long straight wedge across front of those two pulleys. After tacking, cutting and adjusting a couple times it’s right.

JR · « **Reply #339 on:** March 13, 2021, 11:25:50 AM »

stlaser · « **Reply #340 on:** March 13, 2021, 08:13:33 PM »

Welp, back to drawing board on power steering mount. Had some concerns about reservoir being high enough. Stopped by shop this afternoon to deal with customer and while waiting started measuring and the fill on the pump is too high. So it’s pretty tight down low on drivers side but going to try make it work....

Ordered the intermediate 300m shaft and the billet planetary for the transmission.

KensAuto · « **Reply #341 on:** March 14, 2021, 01:37:03 AM »

Can you run the older style..the one that has a vacuum pump down there?
I would assume the timing cover is set up for that configuration, or not?

stlaser · « **Reply #342 on:** March 14, 2021, 09:06:43 AM »

Quote from: KensAuto on March 14, 2021, 01:37:03 AM

Can you run the older style..the one that has a vacuum pump down there?
I would assume the timing cover is set up for that configuration, or not?

Good question or thought and yeah I could but $600 for the pump w/o the vacuum.......

All else fails it’s an option. My goal was to reuse the ford factory components which are more than free at this point.

stlaser · « **Reply #343 on:** March 18, 2021, 12:15:33 AM »

So made a little progress today. Ended up scrapping the ford steering pump idea, the below picture is as good as it gets. I really didn’t want a 200” long belt as that looks silly I believe.

So after some research I stumbled on an F650 hydraulic pump that came on those trucks stock with the Cummins. I ordered one for $340 delivered which was almost half price of the other Cummins pumps I was looking at. It uses the o ring style hydraulic fittings so I’ll need to adapt but shouldn’t be an issue. It runs a remote reservoir which the f350 already uses so I should be good there.

Ran into another issue, if you recall Mike Fuchs who built the passenger side ac and alternator mount with an integrated mount for the tensioner has an apparent design flaw in his part. I had contacted him earlier when I noticed the belt would be running extremely close to that tensioner.

At the time he assured me it wouldn’t hit. Unfortunately, I was correct and it is rubbing slightly. I installed the fan pulley (correct one this time) and then bought an 83” long 6 rib belt, once installed and verifying the issue I sent Mike Fuchs pics. As always he immediately responded and together we decided that if he machines me another tensioner mount with the position moved a 1/4” down it will clear everything.

The assumption is that my tensioner casting is slightly larger than the one he used on mock-up. Regardless, great service on his part. I even offered to pay for the new one and he just said he’d take care of it.

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JR · « **Reply #344 on:** March 18, 2021, 12:36:23 AM »

Yep, that will rub some. What about out vs down? Looks like it will get awful close to the AC going down.

Isn't there a PS pump that is gear driven you can get for the cummins? I just saw one on FB. Mine has it with I think a vacuum pump.

stlaser · « **Reply #345 on:** March 18, 2021, 12:57:37 AM »

Quote from: JR on March 18, 2021, 12:36:23 AM

Yep, that will rub some. What about out vs down? Looks like it will get awful close to the AC going down.

Isn't there a PS pump that is gear driven you can get for the cummins? I just saw one on FB. Mine has it with I think a vacuum pump.

I have a good 1/2” of clearance below it so 1/4” down should be fine. Going out gets it closer to the water inlet behind it as it angles towards front of motor.

The pump I bought is in fact gear driven and the capacity of it is really good. In fact was discussing with America.Mike and he may purchase one to use to power hydro assist on his K5

JR · « **Reply #346 on:** March 18, 2021, 02:04:57 AM »

Pretty goo deal

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/742781479941666/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search

stlaser · « **Reply #347 on:** March 18, 2021, 02:22:06 PM »

Cummins mechanical clutch adapted to the OEM Ford 6.4L fan

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rpar86 · « **Reply #348 on:** March 18, 2021, 08:39:26 PM »

Ya know... I was looking at my fan a couple weeks ago and noticed the blades aren’t equidistant from each other. Noticing that too on this one. I’m sure there’s a science behind that, but i don’t know why. Anyone??

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #349 on:** March 18, 2021, 08:44:50 PM »

Cuts down on noise

https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2008-01-0569/

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