REAL MAN TRUCKWORKS & SURVIVAL
WEAPONS => Firearms => Topic started by: JR on September 11, 2019, 10:49:30 PM
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Well, after following the last thread I am now in the market for a rifle in 338 lapua. I have a 7mm, but have wanted something with more range and I found there is a gun club up near my property with a 1000yd range.
I did find a used Sako TRG-42, but being a long distance transfer with a used rifle I have found the regs here are a bare with fees around $200. It was under 3k, about 500 rounds through it with a batch of reloading gear with it.
So looking for advice, budget not unlimited, trying to balance out value. I will reload for it, but start with factory loads.
Scopes would be nice too, been looking at Vortex Viper 4-25 with 2nd focal plane.
With that, I have seen the Savage 110s which are OK, great prices too. Then there are the Armalite, Weatherby
Today I saw both the Ruger Precision Rifle and the Christensen. Liked the Ruger, Chris seems a little light with CF barrel.
OK shoot!!
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338 is overkill for 1000.
My 308 gets there fine with a 20 inch barrel. The 300 WM is a great round for 1000-1200.
A 7wsm would be another great alternative.
But if you are set on a 338, then blazer sako AI, are all good options. Or a custom build.’
Lots of good glass for reasonable
Vortex makes good glass. Nightforce F1, and my favorites the Schmidt and Bender PMII
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Charles, your spending $$ I don't have (well to spend that is).
I know, go big or go home.
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Yeah, it a talent I have....
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What type of capability do you want at 1000 yards. There are a ton of options that will get you to 1000. If you are on a budget to build the gun you will also be on a budget to shoot it. Even if you reload, .338 will be significantly more expensive to shoot than a lot of other options. If you just want to hit steel at 1000 yards a 6.5 Creedmoor will easily get you there with cheap and easy to find ammo. If you want something that is going to hit a little harder at that distance the .300 WM, .300WSM, 7WSM etc would be good options.
In my opinion, Savage has good accuracy but they have other issues. They are known for feeding and extraction issues. I have one and it seems like every other round doesn't eject properly. The actions are also a little harder to work then some of the better options in my opinion, this means that you will be changing your point of aim more when working the bolt.
The RPR is ok. The biggest down side for me is the way they are built there really is no way to upgrade them etc.. The RPR has been around for a few years now but the magnum line just came out this last year.
Don't do a Christensen Arms.
If I was buying a factory rifle I would be looking very closely at a Tikka/ Sako or Howa. Both have good factory accuracy with nice bolt lift and decent ergonomics. If you can, find something with and adjustable LOP and cheek rest.
For optics I would be looking at FFP. The scope on my precision rifle is a 5-25. I almost never shoot on 25 power. Normally 12-15, sometimes up to 20. With a FFP plane I can still use the reticle for holds etc.. On a SFP the reticle is useless at anything other then full magnification.
Look at Vortex, Burris and Athlon for more budget friendly glass. You might be able to pick up a Gen I Razor for a decent deal also. Burris just came out with the 3rd generation of their Burris XTR. You might be able to pick up a Gen II for a good deal.
No budget, I would be picking up a Tangent Theta. I've looked through a couple and the image quality is simply amazing. Any thoughts on what type of reticle you are wanting? I would recomend a mil reticle.
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Good points Bear.
Barrel life is also a consideration. WSMs are hard on barrel life .
6.5 and 308 last a long time.
You can buy once fired 308 to make loading cheaper too.
I’m still a fan of 300wm
Reticle is a personal preference but FFP 16x minimum at 1000 but I prefer 20x plus at my age. Mil reticle and mil adjustment is my preference but I try to keep all my scopes consistent so I don’t have to remember to recalibrate my mind when I go to a different rifle
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Added some additional detail to my first post.
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Thx guys, for the $$ looks like the RPR is hard to beat. I like the Sako, but my wallet does not. I do not like the safety on the savages, but it and the RPR have similar triggers. Didn't know about the feeding/ejection issues.
I want some ting that hits hard at range. Understand the 338 is not a barrel burner at all.
Planning on about 1k for the scope, besides liking vortex they have a few options in that range with the features I like.
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Thx guys, for the $$ looks like the RPR is hard to beat. I like the Sako, but my wallet does not. I do not like the safety on the savages, but it and the RPR have similar triggers. Didn't know about the feeding/ejection issues.
I want some ting that hits hard at range. Understand the 338 is not a barrel burner at all.
Planning on about 1k for the scope, besides liking vortex they have a few options in that range with the features I like.
Are you realistically going to shoot the rifle enough for barrel life to matter.
The Gen 2 Vipers would definitely be with in your budget. If you can stretch it just a bit more you could get into the Gen 1 Razor.
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Yep, doubt I would shoot out a barrel. I was looking more at that because of the used Sako I just passed on. To many logistic issues with the sale.
Those Razors do look nice and are not out of the budget, but push a little.
Mil seems to be the choice to for long range, which I believe is the MRAD option.
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Charles, your spending $$ I don't have (well to spend that is).
I know, go big or go home.
JR, it’s ok I text Charles chit to buy weekly! :evil:
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Charles, your spending $$ I don't have (well to spend that is).
I know, go big or go home.
JR, it’s ok I text Charles chit to buy weekly! :evil:
Do I get a discount?
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Charles, your spending $$ I don't have (well to spend that is).
I know, go big or go home.
JR, it’s ok I text Charles chit to buy weekly! :evil:
Do I get a discount?
Current and retired military and LEO get, I think, 40% discount off Vortex's MSRP.
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May have to do a shadow sale, that's a great discount.
Just retired LEO,,,,,,,,,,
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Man, where are you people getting all this money????? :shocked: :police:
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Man, where are you people getting all this money????? :shocked: :police:
Really? How many tractors do you have?
I'm talking a gun and scope,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I was even thinking about the 300wm vs the 338, then the Sako owner emailed and might be willing to drive up so we can exchange at an FFL.
Has me thinking again. too much maybe.
What do you guys think. TRG-42 in 338 with 34mm rings and all the reloading gear with it. (200 brass, 500 rounds and dies)
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What do you want to do with this rifle? What will it's propose be. Unless you plan to spend some serious time behind this gun I would guess both platforms will deliver more then enough energy down range at your (read the shooters abilities) effective range. No offense meant there but you would need to spend some serious time shooting beyond 1000 yards for the additional energy of the .338 to really matter.
What brand of reloading equipment is included with the deal?
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After a bit more contemplation, your effective range would probably be greater with the .300. Reason being ammo is going to be much cheaper so you will shoot it more. It isn't going to punish you as much when you shoot it so you will shoot it better and more accurately and more. The more quality practice you get in the further your effective range will be. You will need to learn how to read wind, mirage and terrain to stretch either one of those guns out. Frankly, neither choice is good for learning those skills but of the 2 the .300 is better. If you really want to be able to learn to shoot 1000 yards I would recommend you by something like a 6.5 CM or similar and burn a barrel up practicing and shooting. Then start thinking about going bigger. If you wanted I could spec out a good budget friendly option that would be more then capable of shooting 1000 yards.
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Sounds like a good way to go, but I can't afford custom. Sounds like the brakes are really doing there jobs on these guns. Heck I can shoot 300yds on my land and a suppressor would make it neighbor friendly.
Sure my 7mm will get more use too up there, haven't shot it in years!
I am starting lean into the 300 idea though. Even reloading it would be way cheaper plus store ammo won't kill you, still see under $1 rnd.
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Are you saying the 7mm won't shoot 1000 yards? Or just need an excuse for a new gun.
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Sure the 7mm will do 1000yds, I want a new gun. Something that isn't lobbing it in. 300wm is a step up from 7mm, but 338lm is a nice jump.
Might rescope the 7mm (ruger) as it is over 30 years old. 3x9/44 on it now.
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No personal experience at all with 1000 yard shooting
I did shoot my M1A in .308 to 800 a bunch of times, and I own a .300 WM, but I purchased that for dangerous game at normal shooting distances.
Now having said that, I worked, well hauled around a bunch of guys whose business was long range precision shooting. When the .300 WM entered the scene everyone was loving it for the 1000M shots. But when the .338 Lapua showed up, well suddenly we stopped getting rocketed and morated at night. Guys were routinely connecting the dots at 1.5X your anticipated range.
The .50 is always a good choice for extreme range shooting but from my limited experience still nothing has eclipsed the .408. One of the gunners who developed that gun was the same guy riding the mini gun in my bird in Northern Afghanistan. The ranges they were shooting that gun defied imagination. I want to say that he pointed to a shot he connected (at a target, mind you) at 3.2 klicks.
Ammo is exotic, as is the scope "System" on that gun, so getting to be "Tractor" expensive, but clearly able to deliver the goods at any range any sane person would consider.
I am a total non expert here, just wanted to share about the .300 and the .338 from real world experience.
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Thanks Don, all input is good.
As for cost, I have seen 338 from $.78 a round, but normally $2-3. Yes, 300wm is cheaper, but neither will be shot enough where it would matter. Both rnds can be had over the counter at any good store.
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A ballistic comparison of some of the common calibers. Notice ballistically speaking the 6.5CM, .300 Winchester Magnum and 7mm Remington Magnum are very similar. The .300 WM carries more energy at 1000 yards. The 7mm RM has less bullet drop, less windage and is moving faster when it does get there with just a little less energy compared to the .300 WM. It also stays super sonic longer. The 6.5CM is quite comparable to the other 2 with less energy. I still wouldn't want to get hit with one.
You can likely find cheap ammo for all of them. It doesn't matter how cheap you can find it if it isn't going to be accurate enough for you though.
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These guys have some interesting videos. I found the second one pretty fascinating.
https://youtu.be/rkPaxI5FuEs
https://youtu.be/Hq-m3bYrs7Y
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Watched his videos a couple times.
1st video looks like wind is playing with that 7mm.
Sound is a cool one too. The shotgun surprised me.
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neither will be shot enough where it would matter. Both rnds can be had over the counter at any good store.
So I guess it doesn't really matter in the long run. Buy what you think you will like best and go from there. I have a couple guns that take up space in the safe because they don't get shot enough to really matter. If you are reloading, load the .300 up with 180 gr. stuff and be surprised at how well they print on target at whatever range you feel good about shooting.
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There is a reason the secret service used *(may be still does) the 300wm.
Now the 338 is a bad mo fo and I’d like to have a big bore delivery system but I’m not there yet.
I’m probably going 408 like don said. Stupid accurate at distance that make me question my abilities
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Doing rounds comparison I saw the big boys and I want hitting power, no just a paper puncher.
When you look at the 338 to 300 you see little diff. in FPS. However the 300 about maxes out at 200gr, where the 338 starts.
Loading for the 338 is 80-/+100grs and the 300 is 60-/+80grs pushing both to around the 3k FPS. Which the 338 holds longer and shoots flatter.
The 300 compare well to the 7mm. My ruger though is a lightweight and the barrel gets wanky after 3-4 rounds. Plus being light with no brake, you feel the kick.
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The 7 isn't much different than the 300wm, but the 300wby can lob a heavier bullet than both...if you don't mind harder to find ammo. Even the Vanguard (lower end model) has an adjustable trigger and does ok at 1000.
Tex would probably say something like "leave it to a 1911 owner to recommend an oddball rifle like a weatherby". .but I like being different.
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I owned a massively hard hitting long range gun once, a Remy 700 BDL in 8mm Magnum
I eventually sold it just because it was such a brutal weapon to shoot. I was considering a 338 somebody or a 340 Weatherby Mag for an African hunt that never got put together. I had a large collection of 700's and in some weird calibers like .220 swift so I went for the 8mm.
First day out at the range after zero, a lieutenant I was with challenged me to a rapid fire, 3 rounds from a bolt gun, tightest group wins. We gave ourselves 5 sec per round. I think I was shooting my heavy barrel 6mm, and he chose the 8mm magnum.
Mike was a west point graduate, and a nose tackle on the Army team in his day (Read: Big guy)
Well he cranks out three pretty quick shots and looking over at him I saw blood all over my gun, his face, his shirt, everywhere. Scope darned near cut a prefect circle around his eye.
After that I only used that gun to torture people and sold it when I returned to the states. All of this happened in Germany where I'd shoot on most weekends.
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Most of these new scopes have a 3.5 or better eye relief and the new brakes are said to work great.
Looks more like I'm going with RPR in 338. Like to buy local, but $300 less online and no tax. Gives me extra $$ for the scope which looks more like a 1K+ journey. Will have around $3k in it. The add a few rounds and reloading basics.
Not sure but the stock may go for a magpul PRS and timney makes a trigger if I don't like the factory.
I sure like the Vortex Razor gen II, but they start at 2K. (40% off would be nice)
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Sounds like a plan JR.
And yes Ken. You are “different”....
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You can't swap the stock out in an RPR.
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https://youtu.be/0ZgDV8NxuII
Nice review
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Hey, just for fun, ever check out the .375 cheytac? I saw where the Aussies are now shooting that thing out to 5,000 meters!!!
Flippin crazy.
Having said that, I do not think anything will outshoot the .408 when the full limits of that gun are explored. Imagine a sniper who from a hilltop is covering an area 6+ kilometers across!
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You can't swap the stock out in an RPR.
Takes any AR stock, still folds which I like. https://www.ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/specSheets/18080.html
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Hey, just for fun, ever check out the .375 cheytac? I saw where the Aussies are now shooting that thing out to 5,000 meters!!!
Flippin crazy.
Having said that, I do not think anything will outshoot the .408 when the full limits of that gun are explored. Imagine a sniper who from a hilltop is covering an area 6+ kilometers across!
Starting at $4100, nice round but I think the 338 will do anything I ask and more.
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If you have the money to play around with 338 and be comfortable with it, go for what makes you happy. That's what's important anyway, however are you going to be able to source out parts for the TRG if something goes wrong with it? Without having to wait for shipping?
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Yep, and I hear that ruger has stellar CS. Looking at options now, officially backed out of the TRG.
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Well I’ll vouch for brake effectiveness.
I screwed up and scoped myself.
Long version.
Cheap brake on my AR10
All comfy shooting at bench.
Too comfy after a while.
Grabbed release on buttstock (different than on my 15)
Pulled trigger and got smacked.
Brake saved a big cut and lot of blood as mentioned earlier.
(Full recoil smothered on forehead...)
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Ouch, son got recoil from a pellet gun. Light taste for an easy lesson.
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I don’t cut easily which helped but the brake was the saving grace.
A small little cut that was gone in a few days.
After I put the brake on and bench shot it a bit I “got” what brakes are about.
Went from 308 recoil to just about no hint.
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Reminds me of the guy who was going to show us how to shoot a pistol grip 12ga. Put it up to his face to aim, need I say more.
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Now ^^that there is...how do you say ‘SMRT’.
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Reminds me of the guy who was going to show us how to shoot a pistol grip 12ga. Put it up to his face to aim, need I say more.
When I was a boy I had a really good friend chip both upper front teeth doing that exact thing. I laughed all the way up the farm to his moms house as he cried I’m his guts out.
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Looks more like I'm going with RPR in 338.
Guy up here was selling one and tried to get me to buy it, but it was 308. Sadly I had to pass it was too rich for my blood, although it did shoot very nice, probably would've been more comfortable had I fiddled with the adjustments on the stock.
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The 308s go for 1300, saw one for 1100 that was gen 1.
Just looking for the best price then decide on the scope. I really like the razor if I can get someone to buy it for me.
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I really like the razor if I can get someone to buy it for me.
Call or email Vortex Customer Service. Ask them about the LEO/MIL discount of 40% MSRP (last I heard), you'll order right from them.
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It does say retired LEO too, will give it a go.
Bobby, love the 2nd quote from HC, who is keeping a low profile too.
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It does say retired LEO too, will give it a go.
Bobby, love the 2nd quote from HC, who is keeping a low profile too.
Can only ask. Yea he pops in and disappears. Sorta like I do.
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It does say retired LEO too, will give it a go.
Bobby, love the 2nd quote from HC, who is keeping a low profile too.
Can only ask. Yea he pops in and disappears. Sorta like I do.
Must be a grunt thing...
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Must be a grunt thing...
We're around when needed, otherwise out of sight out of mind.
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Must be a grunt thing...
We're around when needed, otherwise out of sight out of mind.
Out of sight: yes
Out of mind: No
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Out of sight: yes
Out of mind: No
That's because people always want to know when we're around, or what kind of trouble we'll cause if not supervised.
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Out of sight: yes
Out of mind: No
That's because people always want to know when we're around, or what kind of trouble we'll cause if not supervised.
The queens still have not mastered the ninja art like fisters!
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The queens still have not mastered the ninja art like fisters!
You mean the people who are always surrounded by radio antennas, so people always wander over? Lol
My platoon and the Scouts were always pushed off into wadis or remote locations away from everyone. Made it more fun when people had to come find us and took them forever.
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And I’m grateful for all y’all.
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Well, back on tract here. Vortex will sell direct to me. Simple email with LEO info and 40% off MSRP.
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Well, back on tract here. Vortex will sell direct to me. Simple email with LEO info and 40% off MSRP.
Track...
Tract would be what you'd call your parcel of land.
Sorry sat in an audit all day.
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Close enough for here!!!
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:knucklehead: :likebutton:
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Ordered the scope today. Razor 4.5x27x56 MRAD2C (1c seemed to basis, 7c just a little busy)
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Ordered the scope today. Razor 4.5x27x56 MRAD2C (1c seemed to basis, 7c just a little busy)
Nice choice.
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Did lots of research thanks to you. Not that I wouldn't have gone Vortex, but maybe not that high end.
They recommend 1.46 height rings for it to clear flip ups.
I think the viper I have will go on the 7mm Ruger and will be a nice upgrade.
Also got the Nikon 4K range finder. On sale for $350 with 5x points at Cabelas. Maybe use those for dies.
Now if I can find a little better deal on the gun. Everyone will go just a little under $1800, so who do I get the best benny's from is all now.
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Out of stock from Vortex, maybe 6-8 weeks and 2C MRAD no longer available.
Found the 7C mrad in stock at optics planet, they came close to matching the leo discount price at vortex, so I ordered it from them.
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Out of stock from Vortex, maybe 6-8 weeks and 2C MRAD no longer available.
Found the 7C mrad in stock at optics planet, they came close to matching the leo discount price at vortex, so I ordered it from them.
Still not bad. And I think with the discount you can order 2 products a year so there's that.
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Out of stock from Vortex, maybe 6-8 weeks and 2C MRAD no longer available.
Found the 7C mrad in stock at optics planet, they came close to matching the leo discount price at vortex, so I ordered it from them.
Still not bad. And I think with the discount you can order 2 products a year so there's that.
2 products per category.... scopes, binos, red dots.... is what the rep told me when we purchased a while back.
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Curious, do they ship free? With the deal I got at optics and free shipping think I got the same price.
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Curious, do they ship free? With the deal I got at optics and free shipping think I got the same price.
When ordering from Optics Planet you can almost always call them up and ask them what the best price is. It seems like they can almost always knock an additional 10% off. I've even convinced them to take an additional 10% off an already killer sale price.
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Yep, that's what I got with free shipping plus a tad more :wink: .
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Ordered the RPR today, should be here Friday. Then I wait another 10 for paperwork in Ca.
Only thing not solid are the rings. Might do the stock right away to but wait for the rifle to see if I like that spindly thing.
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Scope came, looks great. It is heavy, but 3lbs on a 15lb rifle won't really matter. Plus will add a bipod minimum.
Needs covers, rings and throw lever. Not worried about name brand but nothing funky either. Covers are simple, rings go from $30-200 and levers from $20-60.
Also ordered an wheeler torque wrench and level kit, not sure about a level on the scope.
At low power you can just see the rectile, the heavy side bars disappear at 20 power.
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Curious why a throw lever?
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Nice JR.
Guys, what's a throw lever?
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If I’m thinking right Ken it goes on the zoom ring.
My Vortex is a bear to zoom and I’d like to find something.
I could be totally wrong too. :knucklehead:
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Nice JR.
Guys, what's a throw lever?
Found many of the new scopes are a bare to adjust. Adding that little tab lets you adjust easier and see about where you are too.
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This gun has a throw lever on it. Especially helpful in a match when you just came off a prone stage that you cranked the magnification up to the max and forgot about it until you were searching for your target at the next stage. You can see the out of focus rifle also has one.
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I wouldn't put one of those on a hunting rifle, but that's just me. I already have the occasional snag on the bolt in brush country, and sometimes the backpack straps.
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They have short ones and long ones.
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Looking at the Atlas BT46-LW17 for a bipod. Middle of the road for price, some used.
Found a PRS for a great price, on the way.
Now its just rings. Looks like Seekins makes the Vortex rings, but leaning towards the Steiner T series.
Rifle should be here tomorrow. Then a few rounds and reloading misc.
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Nice choice on the bipod. When I bought mine I wish I would have spent a bit more for the PSR version.
For rings I would look at Hawkins Precision.
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I have the cleat feet that work pretty well
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Watching a used one on ebay that has those. Almost up to my cutoff price and still 5 days,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I have kinda gone all out on this so far. Trying to watch the budget some with deals, but not getting any junk.
Rifle did not come in today, still showing shipping pending,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Hawkins look nice, everyone has the same price and no big sellers.
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I have a set of those talon feet or whatever they are called. Used them a couple times. Out of the 10 or more matches I've shot this year I have yet to pull them out of my pack. The rubber feet work great in nearly every situation.
For the shooting you will likely be doing a Harris would likely cover all your needs for a good bit less cash.
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I hate all that crud hanging out under there, looks sloppy. Sleeker is better. Even checked the magpuls but won't handle the RPR.
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PRS came in, another nice Magpul item.
Rifle still shows on order,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Not sure if I really need the PIC mount on the tripod. Will I really take it on/off much to need it vs just securing it?
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What do you mean by pic mount? Atlas bipods mount to a picatany rail. You have the option for one that will mount with bolted fasteners very similar to mounting scope rings to a rail. The other option is the lever mount. This will allow you to quickly remove the bipod and re install it.
I have the fastener style and wish I had the lever option. On occasion there is a tight barricade stage in a shoot that I wish I could quickly remove the bipod. It probably cost me a point or two on a stage this weekend where I would have removed it if it would have been easier. For your use you probably don't need that option. Unless you have other rifle that you want to use it on.
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Not sure about doing competition or not, specially with a 20lb rifle. But you never know.
Called and it was shipped out of Ut on the 4th. They "should" get it this week.
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Well, the RPR came in today so I ran down a got the paperwork done. Almost an hour. At least they had some ammo for a decent price. SB 250gn for $30 a box (10rnds)
I have to wait until nest Friday to get it now. 10 days wait "cool off" so I don't do anything rash not counting others at home.
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I never like hearing about these foolish gun control attempts that really do nothing.
Last two days in a row, I walked up to a counter and purchased a firearm, and walked out with it 20 min later, in Ky and OH.
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I got a Ruger American in 300AAC a few months back. Thinking about putting the Magpul stock on it. Will give me a mg feed too vs the rotary thing.
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Yeah Don. As ex mil. You are on the list of potential terrorists. They should have scrutinized you more.
Is anyone else starting to see that the left is subversive and pervasive and will do what ever it takes to turn the masses against conservatives? I think its time for an uprising. This next election is time to rise up and send a bunch of them packing. All they value is power and prestige. Time to take it away from them.
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Yeah Don. As ex mil. You are on the list of potential terrorists. They should have scrutinized you more.
Is anyone else starting to see that the left is subversive and pervasive and will do what ever it takes to turn the masses against conservatives? I think its time for an uprising. This next election is time to rise up and send a bunch of them packing. All they value is power and prestige. Time to take it away from them.
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Funny that you mentioned that
I had a bit of trouble getting the shotgun yesterday
When i filled out the background check form, I listed my name exactly as I always have, omitting the "Jr."
Well, the store got a call from, I think, the FBI about the omission of the "JR."
It took a little finagling before the purchase was cleared and we walked out with it. I say FBI, because I heard the manager talking to our sales guy and he mentioned the FBI in the middle of the paperwork schneegans.
If our government would come to believe we honorable veterans are potential terrorists, then we had better dam well see presidents, Judges, Senators, Congressmen, Police, Firemen and a lot more on the same list!
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HF had their rifle case on sale for $99, so I brought one home.
Ordered the last parts from Optics. Now just a week for the rifle and all parts will be here by then.
Guess I am on the list too, registered independent and retired LEO.
I go through the same time to time Don. The way they put my name on the DL vs how it reads is diff, so the game must be played. And now I have to get a new "real" Ca DL as they have given out so many DLs to illegals the fed will no longer honor my valid DL next year. Plan to just get it in NV and be done with it.
When I did the paperwork, they asked the same question several times (test) and I had to produce the CC I paid it with online so as not to be a "straw sale"
Damn Komifornia,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Well, a couple updates to the build.
Picked up rifle, real monster. Love it. PSR will work well on it, but overall to long for the HF case. Looking at the Pelican Vault I saw at Cabelas this weekend.
https://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=2903911&categoryId=0&parentCategoryId=0&subCategoryId=0&indexId=0&itemGUID=e618fb99ac10a85e3538a98179d57454
Did a little more research on scopes too. Returning the Vortex for a Steiner T5Xi 5-25/56. Saved $200 over the razor and don't have to get caps separately.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/steiner-t5xi-5-25x56mm-scr-reticle-scope.html
What do you guys think on Mag count? Two seems a little low, 3 or 4? All mags are 5 rnds and run around $70 if you look. I can see shooting 2 to 3 weights.
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These guys are selling refurbed/ blem Steiner t5x's for a decent discount. Likely will save you a couple bills. Might take a while to get to you from what I understand though.
http://www.libertyoptics.com/
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I’ve purchased a couple of scopes from them in the past with good results.
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That is a good deal, hundreds less that what I paid and I got a good deal!
You saved me another $500, Thx
Now, I got the bipod in but the BT46 seems a little short for this guy. Thinking the 47 might work better?
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That is the same size atlas I have and have never needed to go higher then what it can offer fully extended. I don't even think I have ever fully extended the legs. If I need to extend the legs at all it is just in the first or second notch.
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Good to hear, what rifle you shooting, bench and prone?
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I am shooting a Lone Peak Arms Fuzion action with a 26" Benchmark barrel chambered in 6.5CM. The gunsmithing work was done by TS Customs. I will be ordering a new barrel from him this winter as the current one is just about shot out and would recomend him to anybody looking for a custom bolt gun. The rest of the setup is pretty budget friendly. A KRG Bravo chassis/ stock and a Burris XTR II 5-25 optic with a mil-dot reticle. I am wanting to upgrade the optic to a little better glass and different reticle over the winter also. Ideally I would get a Tangent Theta but at this point the budget isn't going to allow a $4,000+ optic. Will likely end up with a Razor or Steiner 5, maybe a Kahles. I also picked up a Thunder Beast Arms certificate off a prize table a few weeks ago so planning on ordering a TBAC Ultra 7. With the TBACs factory lead times and the nearly 12 month wait I am hoping to actually receive the suppressor for spring 2021 if I order this fall.
(https://i.imgur.com/UE8IUky.jpg)
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I shoot prone, modified prone, off a table or in any other position or off any other barricade the COF calls for. Usually in a 9 or 10 stage match I am some sort of prone position for on average 3 stages. If I am in a truly prone position I often times put the front legs out as in the pic below. The lower the gun is to the ground the more stable the position, as long as you can get in behind it comfortably.
(https://i.imgur.com/QG142hT.jpg)
Here I am shooting off the "boat" stage. The platform is suspended from cables and chains. When you get on the platform it starts to swing and move. Also the recoil from the shoot and working the bolt will cause the platform to swing. Again I have the legs at a 45 to improve gun stability.
(https://i.imgur.com/ds0njhM.jpg)
In some stages where real estate is at a minimum I will fold the legs back at a 45. Here is an example where I should have done that. If the legs would have been angled back I would have been able to get them on the barrel while moving the gun forward several inches. This would have allowed me to get a bag or something under the rear of the gun to better support it for a better shot.
(https://i.imgur.com/3r6N4HX.jpg)
Just a standard prone position with the legs straight out but fully collapsed. That is a 10 round mag.
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Here is an example of a stage where some people would choose to deploy a bipod and others like myself use a bag. I feel I am able to create a more stable position with the bag. The downside to this is it is another piece of equipment I need to pick-up, move and position on the clock. The bag I am using under the gun here is a Tacky Sack. It's pretty versatile as both a bag under the gun as I am using here or as a rear bag when I have the bipod deployed out front.
(https://i.imgur.com/mufUJGf.jpg)
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Thx for the info and pics. Looks like you have a 10rnd mag too, right now I can only find 5s.
I got 50 rnds to sight in and play some (250gn SB and PPU). Got a lot of lapua brass coming with 285gn for loading, Looks like I can load for just over $1 a round depending how long the brass lasts.
I had a burris on my 7mm and the cross hair broke! They repaired free but got rid of that scope. Got an old 44mag on it now. Will put a vortex on it and a magazine kit (hate dropping that plate)
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I currently have a 5 and 10 round. I need a 12. I've dropped more then a few points where I ran out of time fumbling for an extra round or mag change. I have no idea what or if you have any options for anything larger then a 5 for that caliber/ gun.
One of the most important factors for extending brass life is not overworking it when sizing. I am by no means and expert but I full-length size and only bump the shoulder back as much as I need to.
This is how I do it. Important note here, it may take more then one firing before the brass expands to the size of your chamber and you need to bump the shoulder back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRu8NYCq9Y0
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Pretty sure I just need AICS mags so see what I can find. 5rnds should be OK for starts allowing the barrel to cool some. I have seen a couple guys who carry an extra couple rnds on the rifle side, might be an option when you need just a round or 2.
Just starting reloading. Have a Horandy progressive setup and just got the dies and shell holder. Just need powder and will only by 8lbs, 1lb doesn't go far with 338.
Watched a bunch of the 338 vids on YT, but need more info, thx for the link.
Thx
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This might work for your 6.5 mag; https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021624375?pid=935093
Looks like AI might have 10rnds for the 338.
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I've been looking at either an AW or ARC mags. They are double stack instead of single and keep may length down. Sometimes a long mag can get in the way.
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Burris XTR II 5-25 optic with a mil-dot reticle. I am wanting to upgrade the optic to a little better glass and different reticle over the winter also.
So....
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Burris XTR II 5-25 optic with a mil-dot reticle. I am wanting to upgrade the optic to a little better glass and different reticle over the winter also.
So....
So...what???
The Burris served me well for going on 3 years. It tracks great, and for a $1000 scope at the time the glass is pretty good. I can tell a noticeable difference though in some of the harsher conditions though. On a hot day it doesn't handle mirage as well as some of the better optics I've had to look through. Also in wet, rainy conditions it's not as great as some of the better optics.
The reticle is also just a mil-dot reticle. Again, it worked great for the first few years but now that I have some experience I have a better idea of what I want. Something like the 7c the Razor offers would be just about ideal I think. I like that it has .2 mil increments instead of just .5 mil. A little more precise for both making holds and measuring misses. I want some amount of a Christmas tree style reticle to allow me to hold for both windage and elevation at the same time but not super busy like the Horus (I think that's what it's called). Also every other mil is numbered on the 7c. Currently mine isn't numbered. It doesn't seem like a big deal but it's easy to miscount and get flustered when you are trying to make your shot on the clock.
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My Razor is the 7C and it seems busy to me with the tree below. Maybe its just me and will want it later.
Yep, I think the standard AI will work for mine and are double stack with 10 rnd. Stock Mags are stamped "Accurate Mag".
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Some good history here about ammo.
https://youtu.be/zpkhCVeA-V4
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So...what???
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After a few months of waiting for a blem I asked about possible shipping times. Was told when they get em, so will I. New from them was $1550, still a good deal.
However I found it new for $100 less even with tax at Optics, so I canceled the liberty order.
Also picked up some powder and other reloading supplies to try out some loads, finally.