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Title: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 08, 2015, 11:06:28 PM
I'm starting this thread to document my decision process and progress towards my BOL and retirement site.

Now I know we will all have differing opinions on the opsec aspects probability and execution. This is just my thoughts. I strive for a balance between probability and usability.

I first sat down and developed a plan that I call concentric circles based on likelihood and scenarios.

The circles represent scenarios in order of likelihood and I have executed in order of probability.

Bug In ( most likely, highest probability) 2-4 weeks in duration.

Hurricane preparedness
Minor civil unrest
Some contagions
Short term power outages

Short term bug out( next most likely). 4weeks to 1 year

Major contagion.
Major civil unrest
EMP

Long term bug out. (Things are never going back to normal)

Nuke
Major EMP
Total economic collapse


I'll come back and break it down in subsequent posts.


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Post by: Flyin6 on August 09, 2015, 11:58:07 AM
I FREAKIN LOVE THIS!
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: JR on August 09, 2015, 05:14:31 PM
Sure, another can of worms opens!!

Should be great,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 09, 2015, 06:17:15 PM
Well a little back story.  My wife thought I was crazy, collecting weapons, ammo, hiring a professional weapons trainer to do 1:1 lessons each week.  Every time I would try to explain, she would shut down.

Then one day, it happened.  She watched a news special about EMP and the vulnerability of our grid.  So I tossed her my copy of Lights Out and from then on it was a different conversation.

I tend to be very analytical and methodical in my approach so I sat down with her and we went through, for us, what we thought would be the most likely scenarios and built outward from there. Thus the concentric circles were born.  That also gave us the ability to tackle things in an organized fashion.  Why buy land in Idaho for the ultimate BOL, when you can't survive 4 weeks without electricity or water in the event of a natural disaster?

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Post by: OldKooT on August 13, 2015, 08:07:11 AM
I am also reading this with interest. That said, I have my reservations as to how much one should invest both time and money in trying to prepare for the unknown.
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 08:29:59 AM
I am also reading this with interest. That said, I have my reservations as to how much one should invest both time and money in trying to prepare for the unknown.
Not so unknown Koot
You know you gotta eat, drink, lay down, stay warm, personal hygiene, square dance and so forth. So you makey sure you have those things and you're mostly good. Beyond that it's a regional thing. Considering your excellent location, for you, bugging-in makes a coffee bean pile of sense.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 13, 2015, 09:15:45 AM
That's why I enjoy reading other folks ideas/plans. It's different everywhere.... I just wonder if one can really prepare, or does one just need to change how they live? Work into life the common sense society has largely lost sight of? Either or, it's enjoyable thinking out loud.




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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 16, 2015, 07:28:58 PM
So,back from the place and sore from hoisting metal pipe and beams as I add a lean to on the back of the shop.  30ft sticks are a booger to move and lift.

So Norm, my philosophy was that I needed a plan that balances risk and probability and is organized and methodical.  Having lived through a few hurricane's and evacuations, I realized that civility is a very, very thin and weak veneer made worse by the just in time inventory delivery system.  Remember when you were a kid and a local store had a "back room" with tons of produce and canned goods?  Not any more.  Very little inventory is available other than what is on the shelf.  If something disrupts the delivery, we are going to be hurting.

I saw this first hand in the evacuation from Rita (the one that followed Katrina by a few weeks)  Some people sat on the road 12 hours and never made it 100 miles.  More people died in the evacuation than in the actual hurricane.  Thousands upon thousands of cars were stranded on the side of the road as gasoline was no where to be had.  I had a 2 year old and my wife was expecting our second.  We had a place at the lake about 90 miles north and was fortunate to be able to get there in only 5 hours.  People were losing their minds, running all over the median and shoulders, causing accidents and backing up traffic.  Fights, gun play and other violence at the gas pumps was common.

When we got to our place we heard the storm had changed tracks and was headed right towards us.  As we prepared to leave and estimated the ability to get gas, I remembered a little out of the way gas station off the main highway and went to check it out.  It was closed but the VFD was there gassing up (they have keys) They said she only had about 200 gallons of premium left and opened at 7.   I was in line at 5 am (#3 in line) with my old gasser truck.  I filled the truck and my 35 gallon rolling gas can I used for my boat.  By the time she opened there were 51 cars in line.  Somewhere about car 10 they ran out.

We left for Arkansas and saw mayhem and madness everywhere.  I noticed that cars were all out of gas, but rednecks in their diesel trucks were having no problem getting fuel.  That's when it started for me.  I realized how thin the veneer of civility was, and how vulnerable I felt with my wife, daughter and unborn all counting on me.  I vowed I would never feel that way again.

I did make it to AR and we were fine, but I was never again going to be caught un prepared.  Thus the concentric circles were born.

Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 16, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
Circle One:

Short term bug in:  Hurricane, minor civil unrest, minor contagion, short term power outage. (keep in mind not all things get put on the internet for the world to see, but the basics are here).

Have a plan:  Put it in writing and share with your family.  Practice quizzing each other on the scenarios and actions and contingencies

We had this little thing called tropical storm Allison several years ago before we had kids.  It dumped 30 inches of rain in 2 days.  Everything was under water.  I had just flown back from Oakland and we landed about midnight.  I took my chances in my truck and wound up sleeping on the freeway overpass since there was 4 ft of water over the roadway.  Cell tower went down and my wife and I could not communicate.

Revelation #1, modern day communications fail in a disaster.  In a terrorist attack the plan by the government is to shut down cell towers and internet.  How you gonna call your wife to confirm plans, provide updates, or modify standing plans?  Amateur radio is the key.  I had a VHF/UHF antenna installed in the top of an 80ft pine in my front yard and got my HAM license.  I installed a mobile system in the car that I drove to work every day.  From anywhere within 35 miles I can hit my own antenna simplex ( radio to radio) without a repeater.  Now no matter what, I can communicate with the family at home.  I highly recommend making sure comms are one of the first things you consider in any planning.

Next was food and water.  I started putting together a food plan that includes: dried and canned goods, MREs, Dehydrated, and even heirloom seeds.  I obtained some new HPDE food grade barrels to keep filled with water.  Use tap water,if you can.  It comes from the treatment plant is has some chlorine in it already which helps it not grow stuff in it.  I add a few drops of chlorine for good measure.  Change the water out every 2 years.

The plan is to have food in the pantry that will last a month, a months supply of MREs with heaters and water stored on site.  All other food stores are off site in the BOL.

Weapons and training are a necessity.  Got a nice Glock or AR?  How much professional instruction have you had from guys like Bobby, Nate, Don, Blaine or others that have "been there done that"?  How much have you practiced?  There is more to being armed than having a weapon and ammo.  When I got my CHL as the provider and protector of my family I connected with an outfit of former Spec Op guys and found one of them that would also train 1:1 in addition to the group classes.  I began putting 1000 rounds a month downrange from my G17 in private lessons I took every week after work for 2 years, based on my situation and selected scenarios.   

Morale of the story:  Our government spent millions training our soldiers to fight.  Take advantage of your tax dollars at work and find a competent ex-Mil to train you how to fight. 

Next was weapon selection and stockpiling:

We all argue for our favorite weapon and those that have read my blathering posts know I am a Glock fan boy.  Get what you like and learn to shoot it often.  I chose Glock.  The originator. Simple.  Few parts, standardized parts. Tough. Rugged.  Dependable.  One helluva weapon when you swap out the factory trigger for a Ghost Rocket 3.5 trigger and Trijicon night sights.

A little side track here (Am I DOTing my own thread??)  If you believe in economic collapse as a possibility, then Gold comes to mind as a hedge.  However, think about this:  Guns never lose their value and only increase over time too.  So does just about ANY durable good.  Ammo, Weapons, tools, weapon mags, weapon parts.  If you buy a bunch and never need them for 20 years, you'll have a nice little investment anyway when you divest them. And you can barter with them nicely in the event of a collapse.  Not a lot of need for gold when you have no food and roving bands of thugs are out raping and killing (remember Katrina?  Yeah like those guys)

So I wanted to standardize my weapons for multiple reasons.  I and my family will all be shooting the same weapon system and thus familiarity and functionality and spare parts will be maximized.  Here is what I chose to amass in quantity.  ( I sill have the other odd weapons, like my Weatherby 460 mag, etc. but I ain't counting on that when trouble starts)

1.  Glock 21 full size 45.  I have several still in the tupperware in storage.
2. AR in 5.56. Again, several complete and in parts.
3. AK-47.  Cheap and always goes bang.  Ammo is cheap. Several in storage and also receiver flats and parts.
4. 12 ga Remington 870.  Enough said, always works standard ammo.  I have several in storage.
5. Glock 17, just for training and barter.  9mm is cheaper to shoot and since it functions like my other glocks my hands will never know when the time comes that I have something different in my hand.  Again, a few in tupperware stored away

The rest are personal use weapons not in sufficient numbers to barter or stockpile.

6. 22LR pistol and rifle - suppressed.  If things get nasty you'll want to harvest food quietly.  And maybe a few other things quietly.
7. 308 bolt and semi auto AR
8 300 WM for when you really need to reach out and touch someone

Ammo.  You can never have too much ammo.  As a minimum I would keep 5000 rounds of each caliber as a baseline.

Weapon parts:  Don't overlook springs, bolts, extractors,  mags and mag springs etc.  Stuff breaks and parts are always good for barter.

Cleaning supplies.  Same as above.

So you need to decide how much ammo and weapons you keep in your primary residence, how many go to secondary or tertiary locations.  I personally keep just what I need to potentially fight my way out.  Ammo stored in primary residence is mainly in loaded mags and amounts to more than what military loads out with and I'll leave it at that. 

Next is medical kit. Stuff happens. Keep a kit and again, get some first aid training.  Short of open heart surgery, I have a pelican case with just about everything I'll every need.  Sutures, meds, antiseptics, burn pads/gels, quick clot, israeli bandages, and epi pens, etc.  I'll do a complete write up on my kit later.

Cash.  I like to keep some funds on hand.  If something goes down, then having a few weeks worth of cash is important.  ATMs run on the internet and electricity.

Respirators/NBC:  I acknowledge that I have a gap here.  I will be closing this soon as the kids are of the age where  I can get them to wear one effectively.

Tape and plastic:  In the event of a nuke, or chem spill ( I am in Houston, the petrochemical capital) you may need to make a safe room, sealed off.

Back up power:  I have a gas portable gen set for the primary residence.  I plan to add a NG stand by.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 16, 2015, 10:38:28 PM
^^^Good write up

Well thought out process, solid reasoning. He has standardized good stuff, and enough of it, AND he has practiced using it.

I wouldn't add anything to all of that
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 17, 2015, 11:14:43 PM
I interrupt my own thread for a question.

I'm considering some bulk fuel storage and not having any experience with large tanks, wondered if there was some advice for me when considering a used tank.

http://easttexas.craigslist.org/grd/5132567152.html

Other than filtering and making sure there is no water in the fuel, if a used tank has any rust on the inside due to previous water presence, is it junk or need to be remediated, or does presence of fuel and lack of water and oxygen essentially stop the rust and render it a filtering exercise only?

This is a pretty good deal on a 1000 gallon tank and he's negotiable.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:10:34 AM
Well, what I can offer is for above ground tanks the construction companies or a farm that is getting auctioned are good tanks usually.

As for keeping the fuel longer, one thing we sometimes do in the military that I don't see discussed often is remove the air from above the fuel and fill the tank with nitrogen.

The purpose is not to preserve the stuff, but rather to keep it from burning, since a fire needs oxygen. However a side bennie is the fact that bacteria has a harder time in nitrogen as does some types of algae.

So by my thinking if you take away all light, and all oxygen and don't expose it to higher temps you might achieve good long term storage of the stuff

Here's another plan. Store oil. Veggie oil, WVO, trans fluid, mixed with old diesel. Then when you need some, simply filter and refine it with your handy-dandy fuel maker (Available at Northern for $1450ish) and you now have fresh fuel. Waste oil ought to hang around much longer than refined diesel.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 18, 2015, 11:04:27 AM
Interesting reading... as per the fuel issue I'd recommend a air of 250gal tanks if doing above ground, and a constant cycling use of the fuel. Fact is, modern diesel does not store well at all.
Fuel oil keeps better than Diesel, it's also not always an option with newer trucks as I am sure you know..just a FWIW thing. Another reason for a pair of fuel oil tanks. They have less "regulations" and appear much less of a target to fuel thieves. No one has to know what "grade" of fuel oil your storing.

I found your story regarding hurricane evacuation thoughtful. I am sure if I lived in such an area I'd have a disposable Diesel "something" to use as my evac rig. I think I would factor in a rack of Mt Bikes also, it seems the roads were well jammed. Something the news didn't offer, but I am curious, were the secondary roads a equal mess? I would think if they were, leaving earlier, travel light, is the best plan I could dream up. I have a friend who was living in New Orleans when that mess went down. He was one of the smarter ones and left very early in the game. His over cautious nature paid off....they never did move back, guess I don't blame him.

Your Amateur radio solution is something I feel more should consider. Especially if in larger urban areas. We use FM Business radios on the farm, and they are forever handy for just such situations.

Looking forward to more posts.....



 






 

Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: rasimmo on August 18, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
I live about an hour north of New Orleans. During evacuations I stay clear of major highways and travel through the bushes on back roads. I have family a little ways north of me and that is where we go if evac is needed or just safer. I have traveled further during hurricanes with my horses in tow. Sitting on the highway with them in the trailer in 100 degree heat is not an option. I have found that traveling the 2 tracks is a more constant movement type of travel during these situations.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 18, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
My friend who escaped NO with his family early on found traffic to start being a problem early on. His past life as a taxi driver had taught him all the alleys, interconnecting parking lots, and other such tricks to navigate across a city without relying strictly on established main roads. That most likely saved his family an immense amount of grief. I don't think all the $$$ in the world would put him back in a large city ever again.

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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
BTW, I have bid on some 250-300 gal portable job site tanks for around $500 and didn't connect the dots on any of them
 Starting @ $1000 and back tracking would make that a pretty good buy for the 1K tank pictured
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Post by: OldKooT on August 18, 2015, 03:25:29 PM
Usually around here used fuel tanks go for about $.75 a gallon. But they are very common around here also. 1000 gallons is a lot to keep "fresh"  We have given up trying to stay ahead of diesel anymore...I bought a small tanker truck for harvest and planting season, and we just use that. Today's newer diesels are so finicky that stuff my old Dodge would happily drink, will cause a new combine to sputter and complain constantly. So we like many others have resorted to keeping what we can burn in a month on hand and no more.
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Post by: JR on August 18, 2015, 03:53:04 PM
I would like to see more of this too. The tanks are pretty common around here, going for like 100 there so many of them.

Heck Koot, having a truck with enough for a month would be great. Something happens just hide it!!!

I need to get the family on board is my hardest part. I have most of the above. Buy a case of something here and there. A few cases of top ramen or beans will go a long way.

Regular masks (even childrens) and filters are easy, but new filters are pricey. I have enough for all with extra filters. Some are outdated, some are not.

I think a basic power system is something that should be covered besides generators. Solar and water power is free once obtained. I am not a big fan windmills.

For well under a $1000 you can setup a small system, keep you fridge cold and charge those batteries. I use solar for my batteries when camping, something like Don has in the back of SD. Plus think of all the batteries that will be sitting in fuel less autos, even yours. I don't like windmills, little output, to obvious. But they work at night like water.
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Post by: Pulley on August 18, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
You mentioned quietly harvesting food, have you considered bow hunting?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 18, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
Thanks for the comments and suggestions.  Don, it is interesting that you mention inert gas.  I already keep an 80CF cylinder of nitrogen on hand.  I thought of the same thing,  Purge when full then pressurize slightly with nitrogen, say 5 psi with a relief valve.  When near empty and time to refill, just open the system and then repressurize after filling.  I'll have to dig out some old boyles law calculations and determine what pressure when 90% full would equal atmospheric pressure when empty.  That would be ideal.  ALong with some of the milspec treatment that should last a long time.  Of course my tractor might just be very thirsty so rotating that stock every 6 months would not be a hard thing.  I understand that well stored diesel can go 7-10 years.

When I get to the Second Circle things get a bit more interesting as evac routes, plans and equipment become much more debatable.  I'm somewhere between circle 2 and circle 3 now and hope that in 5 years I'm fully realized.

As for the hurricane evac, yes every road was packed.  MBs were not an option with a 7 month pregnant wife and a 2 year old.  As the kids get older more options become possible.  Which means you never have a static plan.  Even without kids, as we age, our plans have to change.  When you are 60, things you planned to be able to do when 30 are not likely so adjustments have to be made.  When you have 4 million people trying to move, its gridlock.  In Circle 2 I'll show some of the evac route maps and population density maps that helped guide some of my thought process.  As well as a concept that the Mils amongs the group will recognize, natural lines of drift.  Basically, if you are east of the Mississippi you are in a world of hurt as if you are withing 100 miles of the coast.  More to come as I get my thoughts together and organized for consumption.
Pully, yep. I need to get a crossbow at a minimum.

JR, I may want to pick your brain as I get closer to alternate energy execution.  I've read a bit about it but still studying.  At first I want a grid tied system and get paid for spinning the meter backwards but would like to have the gear to transition to off grid if/when the time comes.

Thanks again,  Keep the thoughts coming.  I have a plan, but I've never considered it to be perfect.  I have and will make adjustments as necessary and the collective intelligence from this group is helpful.
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Post by: BobbyB on August 19, 2015, 03:53:49 AM
At first I want a grid tied system and get paid for spinning the meter backwards but would like to have the gear to transition to off grid


There's a guy up here who has a couple of the windmills. Bought one for something like $5,xxx, turned it on and around 6-8 months later he received enough money back from the power company to buy another.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 19, 2015, 08:16:17 AM
On windmills: We have a windmill, as in a 1890's model LoL It pumps water very well, and I have the old stone grinding wheel attachment for it also, in case I am ever in the mood to sharpen a machete or something LoL

But my point being, sometimes the old ways work far simpler than new modern "concepts" That wind mill coupled to a 24V Alternator is a pretty darn quiet, cheap to run battery charger.

A flat belt and a old hit and miss engine can run a entire host of "attachments" and they run cheap and quiet. And they have an amazing duty cycle as well. This winter I will start a thread on the restoration of a few select old school means of living off grid that worked for generations and still do. 
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Post by: KensAuto on August 19, 2015, 10:25:27 AM
I was wondering who and when a hit-and-miss would be brought up.
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Post by: nmeyer414 on August 19, 2015, 11:00:36 AM
im in for that norm
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Post by: moto123 on August 19, 2015, 02:25:23 PM
6. 22LR pistol and rifle - suppressed.  If things get nasty you'll want to harvest food quietly.  And maybe a few other things quietly.

Lots of great info there, but I am curious about this comment.  I was always told suppressors are not legal to buy, has this changed or are there exceptions that I should review?
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Post by: Wilbur on August 19, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
This is a really great thread! I really like your "concentric circles" perspective. I think all preps should done in a similar fashion- assigning probabilities of occurrence as well as the impact/cost if it does. As an example I don't think my house will burn down but the cost is too great for me if it does so fire insurance is a logical "must have" (not to mention my bank requiring it! ha). If you live in an area with blizzards that knock out power and suspend travel for a week or so on a routine basis then it makes sense to have a week's worth of food on hand at all times. And you go from there based on the risk/event and what can occur should it take place. Very thoughtful and forces you to think through the planning process.

On the issue of fuel storage has anyone used any of the fuel stabilizers (Sta-Bil or PRI-D)? I know for gasoline it makes a big difference in my mower etc. Don't have to run it empty which can lead to gaskets drying out, cracking etc. but the engine fires right up in the spring. I know these products will keep fuel for an extended period in better condition but cant seem to find how long their diesel products will "keep" fuel in good condition. But it might be easier than other ways of keeping the fuel good.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2015, 04:37:03 PM
Back to the nitrogen unit

A thrifty guy might find one in the ex-military sales

We used them to actually catalytically create oxygen for breathing, at high altitudes

The thing was called OBOGS pronounced "O"- Bogs just like it appears.

Air was pumped into this chamber where it was separated into it's parts. O2 went to a tank where aviators used it to fend off the effects of last nights O-Club shenanigans, and the remaining stuff which was like 90% Nitrogen was pumped into the fuel cells.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 19, 2015, 04:55:30 PM
I buy/use about 10K gallons of diesel a year on the farm. My experience is sometimes we get a batch that goes "sour" quickly...sometimes it seems to last much longer. I think the additive package you have in the fuel is the deciding point. Since most of what we buy is "red" off road fuel in most cases it's far better than the road fuels ya get at the truck stop. As for products... some work pretty well. Our fuel guy will come mix in some additives if the stuff starts to go bad, and it seems to solve the issue until we burn it. I have no actual product names or data, but next time I see him I will ask.

Of interest: I recently bought 250gal of fuel oil that was put in a tank in 1992. My Cummins loves it.

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Post by: rasimmo on August 19, 2015, 07:25:00 PM
6. 22LR pistol and rifle - suppressed.  If things get nasty you'll want to harvest food quietly.  And maybe a few other things quietly.

Lots of great info there, but I am curious about this comment.  I was always told suppressors are not legal to buy, has this changed or are there exceptions that I should review?
Yes they are legal to own and use. There are some steps to take to register and purchase/build them legally though. They require approval from the ATF after you send them $200 for the "tax stamp".
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 19, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Most of us still have our rights.  IL, not so much. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/19/b763f7f9bcd980d1a28c41afd0be54d2.jpg)


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 19, 2015, 09:11:33 PM
I'd love to see the write up on the hit or miss and other throw back ways of getting things done.

I figure I'll go though 1000 gal of fuel every 5 months.  My little tractor is very thirsty for red fuel

Don, If I remember chemistry and physics from 30 years ago, to equal 1 atmosphere when nearly empty, I would have to pressurize to 132 psi at 90% full for a sealed system.  Not sure that would be advisable so I'll need to look at a semi sealed system.  I'll need to devise a system to supply N during the filling operation (draining the tank)  A pressure regulator set to keep the tank at 3-5psi positive pressure.  If I keep it out of the sun then the expansion and cooling should be kept to a minimum and thus usage of N from the tank.  I'll need a pressure relief set at 10 psi and a regulator set to supply 5 psi so that its not a linear correlation between N usage and any fluctuation in temp/pressure......hmmm
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Post by: rasimmo on August 19, 2015, 09:17:51 PM
There's that picture again. I'm not sure if I like it or hate it. That and the discussion that followed has cost me some money. Not only to run one on 22 pistols, but also to rig one of those M&P 40 I just bought to be capable also. Not sure what the results of that are yet. Still waiting on booster from liberty that's on back order. More importantly waiting on that stamp.

Moto,
 As RN mentioned, some states do not allow them. Not legal advice from me, but check your local laws and visit with a lawyer that specializes in NFA trusts would be my first suggestion on this matter.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2015, 09:23:30 PM
I'd love to see the write up on the hit or miss and other throw back ways of getting things done.

I figure I'll go though 1000 gal of fuel every 5 months.  My little tractor is very thirsty for red fuel

Don, If I remember chemistry and physics from 30 years ago, to equal 1 atmosphere when nearly empty, I would have to pressurize to 132 psi at 90% full for a sealed system.  Not sure that would be advisable so I'll need to look at a semi sealed system.  I'll need to devise a system to supply N during the filling operation (draining the tank)  A pressure regulator set to keep the tank at 3-5psi positive pressure.  If I keep it out of the sun then the expansion and cooling should be kept to a minimum and thus usage of N from the tank.  I'll need a pressure relief set at 10 psi and a regulator set to supply 5 psi so that its not a linear correlation between N usage and any fluctuation in temp/pressure......hmmm
Our fuel tanks were not pressurized. Actually they were vented.
Nitrogen is heavier than air so it just rests in there for the most part.
I think that OBOGS, however is an active system. While it is running you can breath and the fuel won't burn until it gets thrown into the noisy parts out back

Might be over thinking it

I still recommend, however store something more akin to oil, then refine it 60 gal at a time, what a home processer will make in a day.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 19, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
hmm.  A little google fu turned up this.

http://wasteoildiesel.com/

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Post by: KensAuto on August 19, 2015, 10:54:02 PM
Run an old cummins, and you wouldn't have to "refine" it.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:08:02 AM
Run an old cummins, and you wouldn't have to "refine" it.
Or a Perkins marine engine like the one powering that HB generator
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 07:59:03 PM
Circle 2

Here is where people?s thoughts tend to diverge.  You will recall Cicle 1 is short term bug-in.  The premis of Circle 2 is that you must leave your location for a while., up to a year.  This means 2 things: You must have a place to go and you must have a way to assuredly get there.  2 controversial things in our preparations.

Not everyone will be able to have 2 or more residences and that may not be a requirement, but you will have to have a place to go and most likely will not be able to carry all the necessary supplies with you which means you will have to have staged supplies somewhere.

The three things we will cover in this Circle are: Site Selection, Method of egress, and supplies to stockpile.
SITE SELECTION
Everyone?s situation will be different so you must evaluate your location, your secondary location, your support group (if any) and your mode of transportation and avenue of egress.  Remember that civility is veneer thin and you will now see it evalorate before your eyes.  True depraved human nature will likely be the norm and you must prepare yourself for what that will look like.  I want to paint a picture for you.  Remember the name Reginald Denny?  During the 1992 LA riots he was driving a concrete truck and got caught up in the rioting in a bad part of town.  He was pulled from his truck and beaten severely and then one black thug ran up to him with a brick and bashed his head in.  It was all caught on a helicopter news camera. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM

People will justify in their own weak minds that any action they are taking is legitimate because they have ?needs?.  It doesn?t have to be the black inner city thug.  It might very well be your penny loafer wearing neighbor who has been too busy buying the latest BMW to pay attention to this ?crazy? notion of being prepared.  When suddenly faced with the reality that he is failing his family as a father and husband because they are lacking any sustenance and his wife is berating him though she be complicit in the lack of preparations, he makes the desperate decision to pull out that one shotgun he has and use it to kill you and take everything you have worked hard to store up for your family.  I guess the fable never envisioned the grasshopper pulling a gun on the ant?.

This is but one thought process based on my location and situation.  You may very well choose to cache supplies and weapons in an camping or remote area that is not well known and set up camp.  You may form a pact with someone in a remote area that is like minded and work out a roles and responsibility arrangement to jointly prepare.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 08:00:15 PM
LINES OF DRIFT

The first thing I considered was a concept known as ?lines of drift?.  In only a few short days of a major event, the cities will be uninhabitable. Food will be gone, and roving gangs will have taken over. As that occurs people will flee, following a fairly predictable pattern of egress knows as lines of drift.  Like a virus spreading, you will want to make sure that you are safely away from these lines of drift.  If you live in or near a large metro area, consider that as people flee in their cars they will only be able to make it as far as a maximum distance of a tank of fuel.  You need to be further than that away from the city or the mongrel hoard will run out of gas on your doorstep.

Look at your location and the population density.  East of the Mississippi is not a place to be.  The population density is very high.  Same goes for the coast.  123 Million People or about 39% of the US population lives in counties bounding the coast line..  Estimates are that 80% of the population lives within 100 miles of the coast.  Those people have their backs against the wall and will migrate inward. I won?t pretend to be an expert in your area, but here is what I considered.
Here is a population density map and a map of hurricane evacuation routes in Texas.  Those major roadways will constitute the logical lines of drift.  I wanted to be away from those areas and further than a tank of gas away from major cities.  I compromised here a bit knowing that in an emergency the roads will be packed and a tank of gas will not equal Gallons x MPG at 55mph.  This enabled me to justify buying a second home within a few hundred miles of my primary residence .  I did however strictly adhere to the lines of drift requirement.  Once I defined my area and requirements, the use of Google Earth helped me narrow properties down considerably and saved on needless driving and touring properties that did not meet my requirements.  It still took 18 months of constant looking to find the right place.  Be patient, have a list of requirements, a geographic target area and get actively looking.
I found a place that was outside of the convergence of major MSA lines of drift and adjacent to 10s of thousands of acres of National Forest in a very low population density area..  A 2 lane blacktop farm road is the closest access and the entrance to my location is very well hidden and I do not have a mailbox, nor is my property registered with the post office, which is how many search engines plot you on the map .  When using Google to look up my address it actually plots about 6 miles up the road.  Useful to know.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 08:00:36 PM
So I now have a second location that I believe will allow me to weather a year of civil collapse, and maybe more.  I believe that a second location should not be large enough to draw attention,  Modest is better for maintenance, upkeep and cost management.  My place has HardiPlank and a metal roof and is extremely well insulated with a complete envelope of spray in closed cell foam.  The energy needs are extremely small.  I do not have a well as of yet, but it is on the planning agenda.  I do have seasonal creeks and a decent sized pond.

Other things that we?ll consider later are:  how not to draw attention to yourself and how to store bulk items securely, especially if you are not regularly at your secondary location

Up next:  Transportation/evacuation plans. (method of egress)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 08:02:04 PM
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 08:06:28 PM
better pop density map
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
Some links to maps and data you might find useful in your decisions.

https://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/maps/thematic.html
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on August 26, 2015, 08:21:07 PM
Great info.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 08:30:46 PM
This will come into play later when we get to the third circle, but since we are looking at maps.

(http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/climate/US%20Climate%20Maps/images/Lower%2048%20States/Precipitation/Mean%20Total%20Precipitation/Annual%20Mean%20Total%20Precipitation.png)
When you get to "things are never going to be the same", you have to be able to sustain yourself on naturally irrigated land.  Rainfall plays a key role in that deicison
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 09:35:53 PM
I feel better...Just discovered my farm lies in the least populated area of the Kentucky!
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Post by: OldKooT on August 26, 2015, 10:03:36 PM
At or just under 1 person per square mile here. Life is good LoL

As for water....springs would be my advise, just saying.



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Post by: moto123 on August 27, 2015, 01:09:24 PM
There's that picture again. I'm not sure if I like it or hate it. That and the discussion that followed has cost me some money. Not only to run one on 22 pistols, but also to rig one of those M&P 40 I just bought to be capable also. Not sure what the results of that are yet. Still waiting on booster from liberty that's on back order. More importantly waiting on that stamp.

Moto,
 As RN mentioned, some states do not allow them. Not legal advice from me, but check your local laws and visit with a lawyer that specializes in NFA trusts would be my first suggestion on this matter.

Thanks for the info.  I've only talked to people located in IL, so it hadn't crossed my mind that it was a state issue and not a country wide issue.  Stupid IL ... but at least it's legal to concealed carry now.  They are making progress.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 17, 2015, 04:55:09 PM
Little departure here. Built a dry stacked fire pit. About 6ft diameter

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Post by: Sammconn on October 17, 2015, 05:10:31 PM
Looks great. I'd guess the stone is local? Nice when there is plenty and consistent thickness.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 17, 2015, 08:55:17 PM
It may be Mexican. So 500 miles max

You can see the massive pile o stuff I need to burn. 16 weeks and 1/4 inch of rain means burn ban.


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Post by: cudakidd53 on November 09, 2015, 07:14:33 AM
Qualifies for "Ring of Fire" playing while you wait for rain to actually start listening to the soothing crackle of a good burning campfire!
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Post by: Dawg25385 on November 10, 2015, 08:50:41 PM
Nice pit! Looks like a postcard and a match would set that pile off


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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 11, 2015, 01:42:10 PM
Nice fire pit, before the fire department folks told me mine was not to code I had a rock one. Not flat but rock just the same. They told me the fire pit had to be either metal or concrete to meet forest service campground standards.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 11, 2015, 01:47:16 PM
Even with the concrete apron around it they would not approve. So....now we have a concrete block with metal liner fire pit. Don't know if it will pass or not but it is what it is. 
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 11, 2015, 07:30:51 PM
Ah, Man...I liked the rock one more!
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Post by: Sammconn on November 11, 2015, 11:55:29 PM
Must be 'concrete or metal' because rock burns so easily. SMH.
I'm with Don, liked the rock better too.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 12, 2015, 12:21:14 AM
Must be 'concrete or metal' because rock burns so easily. SMH.
I'm with Don, liked the rock better too.

We had the rock lined fire pit in place since the early 1970's, the new fire chief in the area for about a year. The whole area was sold off as RV lots in the late 60's, now there are almost as many homes as RV lots. The full timers don't like the recreation fires with the people sitting around having a good time. So now you either stop having fires or try to build the pits to the new standards and see what happens next.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 12, 2015, 10:57:57 AM
Stupid me...I never knew rocks burned!
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Post by: BobbyB on November 12, 2015, 02:36:26 PM
Why don't you re-stack the rocks around the new approved fire pit? That's just my opinion, as you now meet the standards they have for the fire pit. You can always add to standards, but can't subtract from them.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 12, 2015, 03:41:09 PM
Why don't you re-stack the rocks around the new approved fire pit? That's just my opinion, as you now meet the standards they have for the fire pit. You can always add to standards, but can't subtract from them.
But you will still have the problem of those rocks catching fire! Duh!
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on November 12, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
See his sig that is a quote from you.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 12, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Why don't you re-stack the rocks around the new approved fire pit? That's just my opinion, as you now meet the standards they have for the fire pit. You can always add to standards, but can't subtract from them.

Wish I had thought about doing that before the rocks were hauled off and dumped into a canyon.
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Post by: Wilbur on November 12, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
I am so glad we have not had that level of nonsense. I have a fire pit of all scrounged rocks on the edge of the pond. I burn everything (well almost) in it... every cardboard box that comes into the house goes there. I am sure my neighbors wonder some times when they see the glow from that edge of my property ha.

But I guess we have to have some redeeming factors here in MA given all the BS we put up with in gun laws, taxes and loonie liberals. Yeesh. Of course we do get lots of rain so it's not like we live under constant wildfire threat. But I fully expect some time to have someone ask me just WTH I'm doing. Last spring I burned off the ornamental grass out front and let me tell ya....that does not go quietly! It went from 0 to 30' flames in 0.002 seconds! Haha. My neighbor (who wasn't home at the time) asked me a week or so later what happened (I guess the 30x30 foot swath of black ash piqued his curiosity!) I explained the good that fire does in getting rid of bad bugs, molds, etc that can hurt the grasses. Good thing he (and others) didn't see the column of black smoke curling to the sky. Especially as I didn't have a hose anywhere near the damn thing when I lit the match!

Sorry for the DOT....firepits are the best way to relax and have good family fun (or guys swapping lies.....)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 14, 2015, 06:38:07 PM
Hard day. Mowed and then cleared all the trails and downed trees. Picked bush beans from the garden and mulched with hay. Burned up a bunch of downed limbs and am now setting by the fire with my silent partner. Old No 7. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/14/adff15519fc24dad5ba65f4263db1e87.jpg)
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 14, 2015, 08:47:08 PM
Way to wind down after a full day
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 14, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
Yeah. It was 42 here this morning. And 69 for the high. It's wintertime in texas


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Post by: Flyin6 on November 14, 2015, 08:58:35 PM
It was 40's here in the morn, then around 51 later on. I took the DR650 for a spin!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 14, 2015, 09:03:57 PM
Dressed as the Stig, no doubt !


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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 14, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
It has rained here so much the past two days I couldn't have gotten an outside fire started.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 15, 2015, 08:54:08 AM
Enough gasoline and you can get anything to burn.....


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Post by: Wilbur on November 15, 2015, 10:35:39 AM
This ^^^^^

Sounds like a good days work.
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Post by: stlaser on November 17, 2015, 08:17:36 PM
Just read this thread trn, love the circles.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 24, 2015, 09:37:25 PM
So I bought this cool propane weed burner/ torch to start fires, BBQs, burn weeds etc.  totally awesome and no mushroom cloud from gasoline Ina pile of limbs.


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Post by: Dawg25385 on November 24, 2015, 11:47:47 PM
Did you get the harbor freight one with the "hells inferno" lever?


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 25, 2015, 07:40:21 PM
No I got it from Amazon. Purely manual. Valve near the body and a striker. Made in America by Red Devil


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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 28, 2015, 08:38:40 AM
Looking forward to more updates.   I like other have struggled with getting family on board.  Even harder is dealing with this mixed family.  I have responsibilities to my wife and children but two of my children will inevitably feel they have responsibilities to their other families.  I can't think of leaving home with just my wife and two kids and abandoning the other two to the less prepared other parental units.   I also have no desire to help the other units much further then they are willing to help with the preparation of worse case scenario


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Post by: Wilbur on December 28, 2015, 11:06:26 AM
TRN I have one of those torches and they are really great. Kill weeds really well....you don't even have to burn them up...just pass the heat over them and it bursts the cells and they die. Really great tool to have.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 28, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Looking forward to more updates.   I like other have struggled with getting family on board.  Even harder is dealing with this mixed family.  I have responsibilities to my wife and children but two of my children will inevitably feel they have responsibilities to their other families.  I can't think of leaving home with just my wife and two kids and abandoning the other two to the less prepared other parental units.   I also have no desire to help the other units much further then they are willing to help with the preparation of worse case scenario


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You're reading too much into it

Here's what you do

Do what you need to do for your immediate family

Then pray earnestly, perhaps after fasting a time, that God would protect the extended family and provide for their safety. That should he bring them to you, that he would then provide what you need to do his work.

After that, it's faith. Either you believe that the Lord answers prayer or you don't!

(Hint: HE does!) :-))
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 28, 2015, 10:59:47 PM
I believe in faith and prayer.  But also believe in faith after all I can do.  James 2:14-26

I know all things are in gods hands but if I am to be prepared I want to be.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 29, 2015, 07:37:23 PM
So for a little mini update.  To go with the fire pit I wanted to build a fire wood rack. This thing is massive. 2x4 heavy wall rectangular tubing. 10 ft long and 6 ft tall. Have to go into town tomorrow and get some 2 inch angle to make the braces for the roof. It will have a slanted metal roof to keep the wood dry. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/29/39b4b3f716a5b13017f5227ece2146c7.jpg)
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Post by: Sammconn on December 29, 2015, 07:45:10 PM
That is going to hold a lot of wood!
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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 29, 2015, 08:16:34 PM
That is one stout firewood rack...

Like the old Stihl commercial: "I'd say that firewood rack would last you forever, but that of course would be a lie.... You're not gonna live forever"  ;D
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 29, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
Rofl. Yep. My grandkids will pass it on to their kids. Need to get some POR and then paint it too.


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Post by: Flyin6 on December 30, 2015, 09:36:57 AM
Holy Tamale!

That is sturdy! Good welds too!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 30, 2015, 01:59:47 PM
Well here it sits waiting on the R panel I ordered for the roof and a coat of POR

(http://a67.tinypic.com/2ziph1y.jpg)

Now I have to get after that big pile of oak logs and split it all up.


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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 30, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
Nice! Looks great.

Now I have to get after that big pile of oak logs and split it all up.

Do you use a maul or hydraulic? I got a Fiskars X27 splitting maul for Christmas, I'm itchin' to get out and see how it works.
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Post by: JR on December 30, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
Sure does look good. I just used a piece of corrugated to cover mine.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 30, 2015, 07:04:17 PM
Kyle I'm doing it the old fashioned way. 4 way splitter wedge and a 10lb sledge then my 10lb maul from there. At least on the 20 inch diameter stuff. Otherwise just the maul. JR, that's what I was going to do but the wife unit wanted it green to match the roof on the house.  SMH


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Post by: rasimmo on December 30, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Nice! Looks great.

Now I have to get after that big pile of oak logs and split it all up.

Do you use a maul or hydraulic? I got a Fiskars X27 splitting maul for Christmas, I'm itchin' to get out and see how it works.

That is the best manual splitting tool I have used. I am sure you will like it.
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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 30, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
Sweet! I have the X27, X15 chopping axe, and the X7 hatchet and liked them... Have high hopes for the splitting mail too.


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Post by: nmeyer414 on December 30, 2015, 10:22:27 PM
heres a slight glimpse into nate's knowledge base.  fiskars makes the best scissors used in sewing, as a matter of fact, I have a pair that is close to 20 years old right next to me and will still split a hair down the middle..............
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Post by: Sammconn on December 31, 2015, 12:09:10 AM
You won't be disappointed I the splitting maul.
I own a collection of Fiskars equipment, and it's all good.
The X27 is a fine splitter. However, sometimes the four way wedge and maul are better.
On well seasoned wood it is the real deal.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 17, 2016, 05:05:15 PM
Ok. Took a break from working on The Bus to make more progress on the firewood rack. My R panel came in and I had a piece of matching eave flashing left over from my shop addition so I used that in front.  Primed and painted the top part so I wouldn't have to paint around the roofing later. Will empty it and paint the rest in a week or so.

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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 17, 2016, 05:21:47 PM
You could at least smile for us TRN


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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 17, 2016, 05:54:03 PM
If it's not a frown or scowl, it's a smile......... ;)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 17, 2016, 06:10:06 PM
It's that's expression when your wife insisted on getting you in the picture.


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Post by: stlaser on January 17, 2016, 06:43:03 PM
Trn, you got a nice rack! :o
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 17, 2016, 07:06:06 PM
Yeah. My boobs used to be much firmer


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 17, 2016, 07:41:21 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/17/cfa3e1af8a0ff790b4ba3b2def37e88f.jpg)

Nice finish to the day


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Post by: stlaser on January 17, 2016, 08:45:06 PM
OK, so back on track. Is the firewood in the rack just for camp fires or is it also for heat in the home or shop? Kills me every time I see a firewood rack (yours and Ash's) in Texas and it doesn't even hold a cord. Envious as I used to run thru 4-5 cords per winter in NE Indiana.......
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 17, 2016, 08:59:27 PM
Just firewood. It really doesn't get that cold  here. So far this season 27 is the lowest low. Shop heater might not be a bad idea though.


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Post by: JR on January 17, 2016, 09:05:00 PM
Nice job and nice to have out of the way I bet.

Happy happy in the pic,,,,,,,,,, ::)
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Post by: EL TATE on February 05, 2016, 10:54:02 AM
You could at least smile for us TRN


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"I am smilin'..."
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 14, 2016, 10:42:09 PM
OK, the Bus is back in the shop parked.  It has the new exhuast and muffler in the back seat along with the caliper paint, water pump, a few Diode Dynamics, LED etc.  Didn't get to work on it this weekend. 

Was finshing the firewood rack and the garden. 

POR is interesting stuff.  You think with a name like Paint Over Rust, that it would just be brush it on....no.  Clean and degrease with their cleaner. Then spray metal prep and keep wet for 20 minutes.  Then rinse.  Then paint.  This stuff better be good.

It looks good.  Several sags on the vertical, but its just a firewood rack.

Then it was harvesting all the carrots, beets, chard, and lettuce and spinach and finishing the enclosure with more wire fencing.  Previously it was just 6 foot up the sides.  Now completely wrapped over the top and sides.  No critters getting into this one this summer.  Added bracing in the middle, finished the electrical, and started on the second part of the irrigation system.  Brought in about 6 FEL of mushroom compost and will till it in next week.  Started my seeds indoors for now.  Heirloom tomatoes, purple hull peas, squash, cucumbers, herbs, onions, peppers.

Long weekend.  Good to be sore.

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Post by: stlaser on February 14, 2016, 11:04:47 PM
Looking good Red!
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Post by: JR on February 14, 2016, 11:26:22 PM
Land, I will trade calif for land,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Nice work
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 21, 2016, 04:17:08 PM
Finished tilling in the mushroom compost and finished my seedling sprinkler system.  Wanted to water from above when starting seedlings and then switch to drip hose between rows once they are established. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160221/a9a627856d5db157d81eeff45063ad1d.jpg)


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Post by: cudakidd53 on March 05, 2016, 07:13:06 AM
Any chance of hogs chewing thru that fencing?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 05, 2016, 08:39:04 AM
Yeah there is a chance.  It's not hog panel.  If they become a problem I'll line the bottom 4 feet with a layer of hog panel
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Post by: nmeyer414 on March 05, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
what, no cool night sight sniping?!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 22, 2016, 09:44:15 PM
This means war.  Two weekends in a row, I've come to the place to find my feeder down.  That damn pig is making himself a pest.  Last week it was knocked down, legs off and the lid off and drug out in the middle of the woods,empty.

I welded it up and got it all back set up and full of corn and last night, according to the camera, he knocks it down again.  didnt get the lid off but a bunch spilled out.

I fixed the AR FTF issue with a buffer spring, the PVS14 is on and I'm going to stay up tonight.  Its going to be me or him.   I wish my buddies and their dogs were here, I'd hunt with dogs and stick him with a bowie up close and personal.

We ain't playin anymore.  It's on like donkey kong
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Post by: stlaser on April 22, 2016, 09:54:07 PM
Good luck, glad you fixed the rifle.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on April 22, 2016, 10:40:08 PM
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Raising boys into RealMen!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2016, 10:46:20 PM
The man is going full in Rambo!
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Post by: nmeyer414 on April 23, 2016, 01:48:08 AM
get some!

hopefully there will be a dressed and hung hog pic tomorrow!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 23, 2016, 07:13:11 AM
Nothing last night Range time and kids being noisy must have driven him a little further into the woods. Regroup for tonight. In the mean time..... I can dream

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 17, 2016, 09:16:34 PM
Ok. Welds up a new feeder stand. Solid steel pipe and cross bracing. 4 ft no 6 rebar stakes with brackets welded so I can bolt the legs to the stakes. He'll need a back hoe to turn this one over. Also weeded the garden a mulched with some hay. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160518/6c5cd123aca8c7aaeca4966f5bb7daa7.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160518/a4f76851903953bd4fe6ea228cdc567b.jpg)


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Post by: stlaser on May 17, 2016, 09:32:01 PM
You mean to tell me you haven't killed butchered & ate him yet???? ;D
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 17, 2016, 09:48:11 PM
no not yet.  Its just a matter of time.  hes been very elusive.  Confession of a tech saavy redneck....

I have a security camera on the feeder and I can lay in bed and watch it at night.  Then  I can open the living room window and use the end table as a shooting bench to wack him.  just a matter of time.
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Post by: nmeyer414 on May 17, 2016, 10:43:31 PM
no not yet.  Its just a matter of time.  hes been very elusive.  Confession of a tech saavy redneck....

I have a security camera on the feeder and I can lay in bed and watch it at night.  Then  I can open the living room window and use the end table as a shooting bench to wack him.  just a matter of time.

Yeah right.................!

well all be standing by for a report on how well that worked out for you with the BOSS...............!    ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 21, 2016, 10:44:15 PM
well got up here late today.  Oldest had a sleep over and the youngest is with mamma at a dance convention.

Put in a pond aerator and today I wired up the timer for it. I'm only going to run it about 5 hours a day to keep the electrical use down and that should be plenty for the fish.

So with all that running around I didn't expect to see the hog tonight.  I pulled all the game cams and they aren't taking pictures consistently.  They should have had pictures of my running around on the tractor.  I'll need to try batteries first.

So, settling in for evening I turned the security camera on and there the pig was.

I got the window open and set up for the shot.  The Comp M2 on this AR is not exactly co-witnessed correctly with the PVS14 so the image is a little off.  I popped him but he ran into the woods.  I started in after him but decided that a wounded 250lb hog might be a formidable enemy in the dark in the dense woods.   I'll go look for him in the morning. 
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Post by: moto123 on May 21, 2016, 10:47:11 PM

That's an exciting night!

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Post by: JR on May 21, 2016, 10:57:12 PM
hmm, sausage!!

Do a solar panel with battery on the pump. Run and charge during the day, let the battery run it at night. Fish are happy, no elec bill.
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Post by: moto123 on May 22, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
What does a solar panel cost? Could that actually pay back in a few years?

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 22, 2016, 08:44:44 AM
Not a bad idea JR but this is a 1/2 HP motor driven aerator. Had I gone the compressor bubbler that would have been the ticket.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 22, 2016, 08:48:05 AM
So went out this morning to look for the pig. He was in a hurry when he left so he was leaving some tracks. No blood trail I could see.  Hmm I know I hit him because he jumped. Followed the tracks for a ways before they got mixed up in his routine trail which I lost at the creek.  I wasn't planning on eating him anyway but I wanted to laugh in his face for knocking over my feeder twice. 
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 22, 2016, 08:11:49 PM
Now I'm embarrassed. 

Apparently I missed. I'm guessing my zero is off. It was only 125 yards.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 22, 2016, 08:12:05 PM
He was back at 3 am


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Post by: moto123 on May 22, 2016, 08:13:12 PM
Now you get to try again!

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Post by: JR on May 22, 2016, 08:36:21 PM
You can get them for around $.50 a watt looking on CL, but $1 a watt is considered. Here in the bay area there are lots of dealers so deals are easy to find.

I have smaller panels (24x38) that are 100watt, but the ones on my house are 250 watt and are 30x63. I like mono panels as they put more in diff light, but not as much as poly panels which are better in on direct sunlight.

Most new panels are good for 25+ years so it is a long term payoff. My house system saved me around $1500 this year, but cost 18k. However I also got a 30% tax credit on that so real cost is 12k.
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Post by: OldKooT on May 23, 2016, 07:45:58 AM
Them hogs are good freezer fillers. When we go to the lake, we like to hunt hogs from the boat..come to think of it, we should do that soon.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on May 23, 2016, 08:48:30 AM
RN, grab a different  tool from the safe and finish up.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 23, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
Wonder if this would be a good enough excuse for a PVS22? A magnified image would be nice. Or maybe I'll just duct tape the pvs14 to the front of my 3-9 on my titanium hunting rifle.
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Post by: nmeyer414 on May 23, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
I would say quit fartin around and just get you one of these!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PVS-4

http://www.nitevis.com/ANPVS4_Weaponsight.htm

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=AN%2FTVS-5+starlight+scope
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Post by: JR on May 23, 2016, 03:16:36 PM
I like the idea of a clip on.

Hmm, hunting from boats mean they can't chase you.
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Post by: OldKooT on May 23, 2016, 03:34:01 PM
LoL  We hunt from a boat because it's the only way to get to the area we shoot them at. Last one I killed was at 130 yards. 45.70 lever no optics. Full moon hunting...time your shot to the wave action...and down they go.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 23, 2016, 03:51:08 PM
You need a claymore array under the feeder - click, click and you're BBQing!
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Post by: BobbyB on May 23, 2016, 04:04:21 PM
You need a claymore array under the feeder - click, click and you're BBQing!

But the resulting backblast would destroy the feeder.
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Post by: KensAuto on May 23, 2016, 04:51:19 PM
He was back at 3 am


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Sorry Tex, but that's funny right there.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 23, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
Yes.  I come here to also to admit failures, however big and funny....

Nate, I've only used GenIII tubes.  How does the Gen II tubes compare?  That's a lot cheaper than what I've been eyeballing

http://nvdepot.com/products/night-vision/nvd-bns-pvs-22-night-vision-weapon-sight/?v=7516fd43adaa
http://www.eurooptic.com/night-vision-depot-pvs-22-itt-gen-iii-64lp.aspx
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Post by: JR on May 23, 2016, 11:44:12 PM
You guys really like the top end stuff!!

I am looking more like this. Nice thing with a clip on is you can change weapons without loosing center and use with reflex or regular scopes.

http://www.opticsplanet.com/armasight-opmod-pvs-14-gen-3-alpha-night-vision-monocular.html

That is even a little pricey for me, I think gen 2 is just fine.
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Post by: BobbyB on May 24, 2016, 01:51:40 AM
Wonder if this would be a good enough excuse for a PVS22? A magnified image would be nice. Or maybe I'll just duct tape the pvs14 to the front of my 3-9 on my titanium hunting rifle.

http://www.policestore.com/optics-laser-sights/scope-bases/rifle-bases/embedded-front-rail-mount-prod44615.aspx?avad=avant&aid=135323&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-Avantlink-_-ale
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 24, 2016, 09:19:49 AM
Thanks Bobby. If I get a pvs22/27 I'll have to install that on one or more of the precision rifles. JR that's the set up I have now except it's the ITT Pinnacle GenIII

Part
One of  problem is the mount I'm using. It's perfectly co witnessed with my Comp M4 set up on the SBR but the mount on the AR with the Comp M2 is a bit higher so it's hard to get a good picture through it.


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Post by: BobbyB on May 24, 2016, 11:12:59 AM
Thanks Bobby. If I get a pvs22/27 I'll have to install that on one or more of the precision rifles. JR that's the set up I have now except it's the ITT Pinnacle GenIII

Part
One of  problem is the mount I'm using. It's perfectly co witnessed with my Comp M4 set up on the SBR but the mount on the AR with the Comp M2 is a bit higher so it's hard to get a good picture through it.


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Are you using the half moon spacer with the M2 or no?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 07, 2016, 12:55:48 AM
Minot familiar with that Bobby. Break it down for me.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 07, 2016, 12:56:50 AM
Garden is going well. So much rain as made the squash a challenge.

Got this in the mail today.

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Post by: BobbyB on June 07, 2016, 02:53:19 AM
Minot familiar with that Bobby. Break it down for me.


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What mount are you using for your M2?

Are you saying your AP is slightly too high or is the NVG?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 07, 2016, 07:55:29 AM
Will have to look this weekend.  I bought it used with the mount.  Yes, it sits about 1/4 inch high
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Post by: BobbyB on June 07, 2016, 08:12:43 AM
Will have to look this weekend.  I bought it used with the mount.  Yes, it sits about 1/4 inch high

Is it a stock mount or did you throw it in a LT mount?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 07, 2016, 09:39:43 PM
Some QD device of some kind.  It was thrown on a back up weapon and not used much so I honestly don't remember much and cant lay my hands on it until this weekend
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Post by: nmeyer414 on June 08, 2016, 12:08:54 AM
oh so you have CRS setting in.....................?!
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Post by: BobbyB on June 08, 2016, 03:32:22 AM
Some QD device of some kind.  It was thrown on a back up weapon and not used much so I honestly don't remember much and cant lay my hands on it until this weekend

Sounds good.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 08, 2016, 07:11:43 AM
oh so you have CRS setting in.....................?!

Yup.


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Post by: nmeyer414 on June 08, 2016, 12:16:29 PM
;D  ...
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 05, 2016, 09:52:02 PM
So took the youngest out to test some snake loads in the S&W. First time firing a pistol ( I had my hands around her to help )

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Post by: KensAuto on September 05, 2016, 11:47:59 PM
Nice!
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Post by: BobbyB on September 06, 2016, 02:23:04 AM
I like your artistic side, and the handy snake identification tag for the head pilot on this forum.
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Post by: moto123 on September 06, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
...and the handy snake identification tag for the head pilot on this forum.

Speaking of snakes.  I turned around on Saturday and realized I was being stared down by the largest garter snake I had ever seen.  It was about 8 feet away hiding behind some landscaping.  The thing was at least 5 feet long and nearly 2" wide at the thickest part.  I had never seen them get that big before.  Is that normal?  Then further behind it was the tiniest baby snake I have seen.  I know they are not poisonous, and optimistically I hope she takes care of some mice issues I currently have.  So I left them alone.
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Post by: BobbyB on September 06, 2016, 02:45:50 PM
...and the handy snake identification tag for the head pilot on this forum.

Speaking of snakes.  I turned around on Saturday and realized I was being stared down by the largest garter snake I had ever seen.  It was about 8 feet away hiding behind some landscaping.  The thing was at least 5 feet long and nearly 2" wide at the thickest part.  I had never seen them get that big before.  Is that normal?  Then further behind it was the tiniest baby snake I have seen.  I know they are not poisonous, and optimistically I hope she takes care of some mice issues I currently have.  So I left them alone.

I've seen them get sorta big. Seen some big pine snakes as well.
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Post by: stlaser on September 06, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
We had a 4'-5' (he didn't like us trying to get an accurate measurement) bull snake in our back yard this summer, he had to find a new home via my rake and a trash bag.......

Prior to me moving him word spread thru the neighborhood boys he was in our back yard. Caught a couple 8 year olds with a big plastic tub on my back deck........ lol
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 06, 2016, 08:21:12 PM
I hate snakes. Hard not to kill them all and err on the side of caution. They only ones I've ever been able to let live are the blue indigo snakes in Deep South Texas. They eat rattlesnakes.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 06, 2016, 09:12:09 PM
Fixed my favorite weapon system today!! I had almost given up on the Ruger MK22/45 that I completely disassembled to the last nut. I reassembled and could not get it to function. I finally figured out I installed the mainspring wrong and took all of 5 minutes to figure out and correct. Now my little mouse fart pistol is back in the game. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160907/5e833a39bed7170310edf3da1dd4cff7.jpg)


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Post by: stlaser on September 06, 2016, 09:42:00 PM
Nice, I've always wanted one of those with a can....
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Post by: OldKooT on November 22, 2016, 09:28:04 AM
Around here the kids find a Rattler they usually just bash it on a rock LoL  My personal favorite was one time Kay squared off with a rattler using the weed dragon. She lit half the mulch on fire in the rock garden, but man was it fun to watch.

So that little Ruger does look very interesting. I may have to build one of those for science. Nice to see kids learning... that's a solid life skill.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 15, 2017, 10:34:23 AM
So today I finished reading "One Second After". Highly recommend that as a read.  Brought some new perspective to contingency planning.  Will be doing food inventory this weekend. Have to start getting a little more serious about meds. Will write more on that later. I have a solid supply of medical kits but meds are perishable.  I'm good on weapons and ammo but need to focus on a few other things.


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Post by: JR on February 15, 2017, 11:12:21 AM
I need to rotate some stock and inventory. What do you store your stock in? I found using cheap coolers work good.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 15, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
Which stock JR? 


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Post by: JR on February 15, 2017, 06:20:19 PM
Canned food and water. You just reminded me is all.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 15, 2017, 06:26:14 PM
Back to concentric circles concept. I have canned goods about 2-3 weeks. MREs for a month and then freeze dried and rice beans sugar salt for about 6 months.  Only thing I need to start eating is the MREs. They'll go 7 plus in a cool environment and I've had them 5. All my stock is climate controlled. Water is in 35gal hdpe virgin barrels. I rotate water every 2 years.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 15, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
I'd like to buy a freeze dryer but $7k is a lot of jack


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Post by: JR on February 15, 2017, 06:32:26 PM
I have 2-3 coolers full of FD and 6 or so cases of canned food. Water I just buy the 24-36 case and use the last one time to time. I also have lots of body wipes (less water wasted).

Don't leave out the dental and lots of TP!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 15, 2017, 06:36:37 PM
Roger. I have those huge rolls of floss. Good supply of TP. I've been using doctor friends to obtain meds but they are so expensive I'm probably going the fish/animal route for basic antibiotics.  Some of the more exotic stuff I need to just keep paying and tossing when it gets outdated.  My lidocaine is good for another 3 years. 


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Post by: stlaser on February 15, 2017, 07:57:51 PM
TRN, my buddy was a Seabee in the early 80's & swears he ate mre's from Vietnam era. I'm sure some other guys can chime in but I think 7 years is a little short.

With that said I only have a couple cases of mre's & have been focusing on freeze dried buckets of food. We stock a months supply of drinking water not including water heater etc. beyond that we'll start hauling & filtering from local sources. Our canned & dry goods get rotated & I'm careful about what I buy & experation dates.
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Post by: wyorunner on February 15, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
One thing I've learned from experience and a decent amount of research is food lasts SIGNIFICANTLY longer than expiry on the package. For our family that is just a cover your hind quarters thing for the money grubbers. I have eaten canned foods more than two years past the date, just fine no ill effects.

From a close friend who is a pharmacist, most meds last far longer than expiration. Now, at the same time there are certain meds that can become toxic when they expire working on a list to provide.

When storing water we also store filters, water purification tablets and bleach. While stored water should never need it, stored water can run out. The one gallon a day idea is strictly for drinking and cooking. In reality people use much more.

Freeze dried foods, we have found that single ingredients are better than meals, because then you can make meals your family likes.. check out thrivelife, I highly recommend their freeze dried products. Kind of expensive up front, but cost comparison is close to what you would get in a can from a store.  The cool thing about thrive and single ingredient freeze dried product is that there is more nutrition in it than in "fresh" produce from the store. 

How is that possible, you ask?

Well, fresh produce at the store is picked before ripe so it can ripen in route or be blasted with CO2 in order to finish ripening. While freeze dried produce is picked ripe. The two weeks to ripen on the plant increases nutrients.

The process thrive uses is this, picked ripe, flash frozen then trucked to their state of the art facility in Utah to be freeze dried where 98% of moisture is removed, then its canned and most of it has a 25 year shelf life unopened and up to two years once opened, depending on location humidity. I use thrive products in our every day meals atleast a few nights a week.

If your curious about the meats and cheeses, they are just as tasty as from a block a bag or fresh hamburger.

With freeze dried food, additional water needs to be taken into account for reconstituting it.

Rotating stock is important though. Always try to use a first in first out method, but if something expires it is up to you if you want to eat it. 

Closing note, sorry it's so long and I sell thrive is why I know anything about it. If anyone was closer I'd cook you a meal entirely from storable foods and you'd never know!


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Post by: JR on February 16, 2017, 02:41:55 AM
Looks like we have a base for another thread. I think we all prep a little, but how much.

Rememeber you may not be able to go out and source for some time.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 18, 2017, 03:00:56 PM
So I started laying the footings for my casita/storage building / reloading room.  7 inch thick with #4 rebar. 8 inch tube form. Gonna try every 12 ft on the long side and every 8 on the short. So 9 total footings each 4 sq ft. LVL beam 3 1/2 x 12. I know the beams will be strong enough. Wether the spacing on the long side is enough remains to be seen but I think the soil is solid enough.

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Post by: JR on February 18, 2017, 03:45:41 PM
That'l work.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 18, 2017, 07:18:20 PM
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Second footing

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Post by: stlaser on February 18, 2017, 07:48:43 PM
Crazy, I always think in terms of depth of the frost line. Guess you ain't gotta worry about the ground freezing none......
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 18, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Lol. Yeah. Low this year was 16 degrees and only for a few hours.  It don't get cold here. 


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 19, 2017, 11:56:35 AM
Had to repair the sprinkler system/garden irrigation system. Although I drained it and blew it out with air, a little water remained on top of the valve and it split in the freeze. Installed two couplers this time. Next year I'll undo the couplers and remove the valve assembly all together and cover the exposed water stub.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 14, 2017, 01:36:15 PM
Today is target making day. Using what I had laying around. Some 6 ft T posts and weld on a mounting plate made of some purlin clips and some small targets and bolts. Wifey wants to shoot the G21 bedstand gun so I'm going to put up 4 of these targets and paint them different colors and call shots in colors. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170314/d07aff9a8ae5e3c3c46aff114cd30b11.jpg)
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Ok I may shoot some too. Jus saying


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 14, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
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Gotta love the Craftsman range bag rofl

Got the 11 and 13 year olds on the Glock 17. The wife shot the 21. She was doing ok but after a few she was milking the trigger and off low and left just a bit. Kids did well with the g17 with me behind them for safety.  Even with them limp wristing it would not FTF


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Post by: JR on March 14, 2017, 06:46:31 PM
I think kids like guns better than Disneyland.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 14, 2017, 07:42:00 PM
Some. I don't push it on them too much. As much as they want and then let them move on to something else. If I push them they'll never want to do it. I needed the practice.  Drawing from concealed while moving was a bit of a challenge.


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Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2017, 08:26:36 PM
Family range day, nice!
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Post by: Sammconn on March 14, 2017, 09:48:41 PM
Nice! Looks like the targets did their job.
Funny, I have a DeWalt range bag. Lol.
And I have same ammo storage.

Bulk is beautiful.  :beercheers:
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Post by: rpar86 on March 15, 2017, 01:28:51 AM
Had to repair the sprinkler system/garden irrigation system. Although I drained it and blew it out with air, a little water remained on top of the valve and it split in the freeze. Installed two couplers this time. Next year I'll undo the couplers and remove the valve assembly all together and cover the exposed water stub.
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Unions on the sprinkler valves is the only way to go!
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Post by: JR on March 15, 2017, 02:39:33 AM
I have those on strategic lines for my pool pump.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 09, 2017, 05:38:13 PM
Here is where the casita/ storage/ reloading  and weapons room stands

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 10, 2017, 07:40:29 AM
And here's the little one sending some rounds down range. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/f9c2603be39b558e29ba636a653e18ff.jpg)


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Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2017, 08:19:51 AM
And here's the little one sending some rounds down range. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/f9c2603be39b558e29ba636a653e18ff.jpg)


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Love it, have pics from when my girls started until now stashed away as well.
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Post by: cruizng on April 10, 2017, 09:35:02 AM
And here's the little one sending some rounds down range. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/f9c2603be39b558e29ba636a653e18ff.jpg)


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Looks like a great spot to retreat out to and get away from the city.  :beercheers:
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Post by: JR on April 10, 2017, 01:17:56 PM
Always love seeing kids shooting.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2017, 11:19:06 PM
I love seeing that!

My boys shoot all the time since we bought that farm...
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 10, 2017, 11:47:16 PM
targets are about 75 yards on a rack.  two 6 inch round gongs and two 3 inch gongs.  She rings the 6 consistently.  She was having trouble with the 3s and I noticed she was slapping the trigger pretty bad.  Reinforced slow steady squeeze and gave her a single round.  She banged out 3 in a row. 

Then at 100 there is a steel popper.  She hit that with no problem.  Proud of her.  Only about the 4th or 5th time she's shot and shes shooting subsonic 22lr with a 4x scope and a can. 

Much better than when I was caught slapping the trigger......I had to carry the pimp cup and do pushups....
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 21, 2017, 11:28:56 PM
So trying to get caught up on this thread.   Didn't like the way the beams sat on the concrete.  Not as much bearing surface as I would like as I laid the supports out center to center and should have laid the corners out so that the distance was to the outside quadrant of the round column. So I went back and poured more concrete in a bigger diameter tube form. Used a bonding agent and extra Portland in the bag mix. So far so good. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170722/3660944e73c35b42ffaa6b717f37f93f.jpg)
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Here the anchoring system. Since the beams are not treated but will contact cement I sat them on pieces of treated 2x4. Sheathing and siding will go all the way to the bottom of the beam so it will not be exposed. I also used super strength epoxy to set the allthread in the column
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 22, 2017, 04:49:17 PM
About a month ago we had some of the hardest rains I've had here and it washed out a great deal of my driveway and overwhelmed the small culverts under the drive. The water comes from the front of the property and feeds down and enters the pond but the drive cuts across the low area and acts like a barrier which the water has to run along and then go under the drive through he culvert to the pond.   So I ordered 36 tons of rip rap to line the side of the drive where the water runs.  I also got a new 18 inch culvert and got to work. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170722/779be4a725e3bc585ef04619dc20f331.jpg)
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Post by: JR on July 22, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
That will slow it down some. Water always seem to find a way to do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 22, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
Now that I have the culvert I need to build some end walls/catch basin.  So I got busy with the mixer and some wood

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 22, 2017, 05:06:31 PM
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So got the basin unboxed and graded the soil and finished the rip rap on the uphil side of the drive



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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 22, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
And then I poured the base for the end wall on the other side and started the rip rap between the end wall and the pond. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170722/4621cc64e4ba4db392154ed850fad0fe.jpg)


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Post by: KensAuto on July 22, 2017, 06:04:34 PM
Excellant work Charles. Looks like it should work well.
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Post by: stlaser on July 22, 2017, 07:00:46 PM
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Post by: JR on July 22, 2017, 11:41:14 PM
Does look good.  :likebutton:
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 22, 2017, 11:46:18 PM
Now get the garden hose and show us how it will work lol. Think you have enough volume?


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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on July 23, 2017, 12:00:28 AM
If you still have problems with the water moving too fast and cutting into the rock or driveway, you can add a few V shaped check dams to help slow it down. Just be sure to keep the height of the checks lower than the top half of swale and armored areas. Lots of work but better than fighting water problems when it is pouring out.
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Post by: cruizng on July 23, 2017, 12:00:55 PM
Tex. Looks good and a lot of work. How do you like your mixer?  Is it electric?  Are you going to put any grate on the input side?


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Post by: rpar86 on July 23, 2017, 03:34:53 PM
So tex, is that your own redneck engineering or a lot of YouTube video watching?  Looks really good.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 23, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
Good looking work!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 23, 2017, 10:14:21 PM
Mixer is HF 3 1/2 cu ft. On sale and with a coupon was less than$200. It barely mixes two 80 on bags. Perfect mix is one 80 and one 60. 3 1/2 is completely upright volume which is worthless as a measurement.  So far so good. I've estimated that I have mixed about 3.5 yards of concrete total. And yes. My total red neck engineering. No YouTube. Got the inside form on the down hill side done today. Will take 20 bags of #80 to finish. The walls and base are 5 1/2 inch thick. It will give me 19ft between the culverts that will handle an H25 load.


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Post by: Wilbur on July 23, 2017, 11:29:55 PM
Ditto the "looks good" comments! Well done!

If this was a Big D project we'd see you hauling a batch plant in on a trailer and setting that up! Ha!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 23, 2017, 11:40:45 PM
Ditto the "looks good" comments! Well done!

If this was a Big D project we'd see you hauling a batch plant in on a trailer and setting that up! Ha!
... :facepalm:
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Post by: cruizng on July 24, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
Mixer is HF 3 1/2 cu ft. On sale and with a coupon was less than$200. It barely mixes two 80 on bags. Perfect mix is one 80 and one 60. 3 1/2 is completely upright volume which is worthless as a measurement.  So far so good. I've estimated that I have mixed about 3.5 yards of concrete total. And yes. My total red neck engineering. No YouTube. Got the inside form on the down hill side done today. Will take 20 bags of #80 to finish. The walls and base are 5 1/2 inch thick. It will give me 19ft between the culverts that will handle an H25 load.


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Thanks. I have some small concrete jobs I need to do and that sounds like it will do the trick. All of the Craigslist tow behind mixers have been worn out and still expensive.

Looking good.  :popcorn:
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 28, 2017, 12:52:06 PM
Ok. Poured the final part of the downstream end wall. Bought a concrete vibrator which I should have bought a long time ago. $99 at HF. I had to take the form apart and wash all the mud out since we got a big rain since I poured the bottom.   Forgot to put my cross braces between the sides back in. Put concrete in form and all was fine. Then as soon as I dropped the vibrator in the form blew out. Took 20 minutes to get it back in line and re install the braces. Used by bottle jack and a sledge. Still a little bowed but good enough. Bottom line is the  vibrator works awesome. That concrete was mixed stiff and it just flowed as soon as I hit it with the vibrator. I wish I had it when I was pouring the footings for the casita.  If you use a vibrator make sure your forms are solid. It puts much more pressure on your forms.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 28, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
And mowed my new patch of land (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170729/89cf31d13636dbb2daa2bacebf3fe586.jpg)


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Post by: KensAuto on July 28, 2017, 10:46:54 PM
Looks like a pretty good chunk , triangle or not.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2017, 11:10:30 PM
Flat!

I don't quite understand the concept...Anything I know of as being flat has a house or corn on it!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 28, 2017, 11:33:09 PM
LOL, yeah its only 1/2 acre but it squares up my property nicely at the road.  And its the only cleared area around, so first order is to fence it. My fence runs along the tree line to the right.  I'll take that down and move it out to the R.O.W. line which is 50ft from the center of the road.  Then I'll start prepping it for a larger garden.  Have to do 8ft fence around the garden for the deer.  Probably also plant a few fruit trees.  Gonna also run electric and water out there for irrigation.
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Post by: rpar86 on July 29, 2017, 12:30:26 PM
In a previous post you said something about how it squares up your property at the road but the road cuts through... I'm having trouble picturing that. ;)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 29, 2017, 05:05:40 PM
See  if this helps.
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The yellow piece is what I just bought


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 29, 2017, 05:07:41 PM
Took the forms off and graded around and put down more rip rap(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170729/af548e8e172821253df4f70b51ec982f.jpg)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 29, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
Bro,

That is some work to be proud of

I and, well, everyone else, I'm sure has noticed the absolute fine quality of your work RN! I see workmanship like this and I'm reenergized to pick up the pace farmside.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 29, 2017, 06:15:37 PM
Ha. Don you hold your own my friend. It just takes me a whole lot longer with my dinky tractor

I'd get a lot more done if I was retired.

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Post by: stlaser on July 29, 2017, 06:40:49 PM
Very nice, where are the pics of the broken equipment like in Big D's thread?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 29, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
:-). No comment


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Post by: Flyin6 on July 29, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
Ha. Don you hold your own my friend. It just takes me a whole lot longer with my dinky tractor

I'd get a lot more done if I was retired.

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You say retired

My wife says retarded

I guess its the same thing???

Whatever it is, I'll take it!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 29, 2017, 08:42:46 PM
Very nice, where are the pics of the broken equipment like in Big D's thread?
Nothing, well, not very much was broken the other weekend

Come on...That's at least one in a row!
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Post by: JR on July 30, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
TRN, that does complete the land nicely. Is there a house in that lot somewhere?

Time for a bigger tractor?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 30, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
Yeah. House, shop and soon to be a guest house believe it or not.


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Post by: rpar86 on July 31, 2017, 01:06:59 AM
Ah ok that makes sense now :)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 31, 2017, 07:53:05 AM
yesterday i got a lesson in fence building....thank you Youtube, Mother Earth News and other sites.

Put the post auger on the tractor and marked the fence line (50ft from center of the road) and put up a sting.  Its difficult to get the hole exactly where you want it with an auger.  Its more like getting it in the same zip code....and the auger will only effectively reach down 3 ft, when I need a 4 ft deep hole.  enter the old fashioned post hole digger....and enter shoulder soreness this morning as a major slap in the face that I aint the boy I was in my teens that could rock a post hole digger for hours in the heat....So in go the posts and I used a 3/4 iron pipe with a cap on the end as my tamper for the backfill, adding a few inches at a time and tamping solidly.  Posts are rock solid thanks to heavy clay soil.

In any event I now have the posts in the ground at each end for the classic H frame configuration.  Next up will be to add the horizontal portion and start stringing wire.  I think I will buy a T post popper to go with the fence stretcher so I can reuse the posts in the section of fence I am taking down. 

Pics to come next week.
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Post by: Wilbur on July 31, 2017, 08:38:23 AM
TRN I had to relocate some of my garden fence and I've always just fought getting fence posts out. Grabbed a t-post puller at Tractor Supply and darn that is slicker than snot. Wish I got one years ago. Best $25 or $30 I've spent in a long time. Have used it other places too when I need a little leverage applied just right.

And I'm with you on post hole augers....im happy if any part of the hole is within my original planned circle. It's like I'm a "boulder diviner" when I use those things.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2017, 10:16:54 AM
yesterday i got a lesson in fence building....thank you Youtube, Mother Earth News and other sites.

Put the post auger on the tractor and marked the fence line (50ft from center of the road) and put up a sting.  Its difficult to get the hole exactly where you want it with an auger.  Its more like getting it in the same zip code....and the auger will only effectively reach down 3 ft, when I need a 4 ft deep hole.  enter the old fashioned post hole digger....and enter shoulder soreness this morning as a major slap in the face that I aint the boy I was in my teens that could rock a post hole digger for hours in the heat....So in go the posts and I used a 3/4 iron pipe with a cap on the end as my tamper for the backfill, adding a few inches at a time and tamping solidly.  Posts are rock solid thanks to heavy clay soil.

In any event I now have the posts in the ground at each end for the classic H frame configuration.  Next up will be to add the horizontal portion and start stringing wire.  I think I will buy a T post popper to go with the fence stretcher so I can reuse the posts in the section of fence I am taking down. 

Pics to come next week.
TRN, Here's the deal with three point augers

They use the weight of the thing to dig down, followed by the friction of the loose "dug" earth pushing against an advancing helix. So they meet a point of resistance of the hard pack vs the available downward force

Solution to all that?

If you have another tractor, you can push down on the auger and drill to hong-kong. Bigger tractors than our utility sized units have power down three points and they WILL do the trick. If you ever get to tractor next keep that in mind.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 31, 2017, 06:10:29 PM
Thanks Don,

Getting it to bite is not the problem (in my clay soil with no rocks).  If anything I have to remember to pull out every foot or so or it will screw all the way in to the heavy clay and shear a pin ( been there, done that).  My issues is getting it located exactly where I want the hole and then because the arc of the arm, it never creates a perfectly vertical hole, its a slight angle so the bottom of a 3 1/2 ft hole the bottom can be off vertical by 5-6 inches.

I like accuracy....this auger is the equivalent of a 4 moa rifle.  Good enough but not going to punch the same hole in the same location twice.....
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2017, 09:41:25 PM
Thanks Don,

Getting it to bite is not the problem (in my clay soil with no rocks).  If anything I have to remember to pull out every foot or so or it will screw all the way in to the heavy clay and shear a pin ( been there, done that).  My issues is getting it located exactly where I want the hole and then because the arc of the arm, it never creates a perfectly vertical hole, its a slight angle so the bottom of a 3 1/2 ft hole the bottom can be off vertical by 5-6 inches.

I like accuracy....this auger is the equivalent of a 4 moa rifle.  Good enough but not going to punch the same hole in the same location twice.....
...

So true
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Post by: KensAuto on August 01, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
I found that if you pre-dig a starter hole, a few inches down by hand, it keeps the auger from jumping around, then move the tractor forward about half way down to keep her straight(ish).
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 01, 2017, 09:28:16 PM
Good advice Ken.  will give it a try
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 04, 2017, 11:20:28 PM
So today was a lesson in  fence building.  I have a new found respect for ranchers....

96 degrees and 106 heat index.  No breeze.  dismantling an existing fence and rolling up the wire and then stretching and splicing barbed wire and driving t posts.

Pics tomorrow. soreness and scratches from barbed wire and mesquite trees tonight....good thing my tetanus shot is good to 2018
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Post by: wyorunner on August 04, 2017, 11:32:04 PM
Too bad I'm not closer, I'd be glad to help out with the fence. It's a royal butt whooping type workout! Wife and I did ours, only a small 4acres but was a great work out!


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Post by: KensAuto on August 05, 2017, 12:44:35 AM
I can honestly say...I'm glad I don't live closer!!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 05, 2017, 02:24:06 PM
after stretching the last of the barbed wire and driving 2 more T posts, I have decided that I am going to rent a powered post driver.  The soil is as hard as concrete and that manual driver is taking about 300 blows or more to get the post in the ground..


I contacted the rock yard and they are going to come give me an estimate on laying the rock on the 700ft of driveway. 

Done for now with the fence until I get back from San Diego.  I'm looking forward to relaxing in 78 degree weather and 68 degree water.....
We rented a house in Carlsbad/Oceanside area overlooking the beach and plan on relaxing and checking out the San Diego Zoo and a few other attractions
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Post by: JR on August 05, 2017, 03:00:58 PM
My old playground. Check out the wild animal park and all the military museums.
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Post by: cruizng on August 05, 2017, 07:18:14 PM
Have fun TRN. One of my favorite cities. If you can check the Del Coronado Hotel. They don't care if you walk around. I used to stay there when we did Beta work for Qualcomm. I would also be curious what you think of the Mexican food at Old Town Mexican Cafe where the ladies in front make the tortillas by hand. I thought it was good but I might have just been a tourista.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 05, 2017, 07:37:03 PM
Mike,  love the hotel Del.  Stayed there before.  Thought I was a navy seal until I tried running down the beach in the sand.....its harder than it looks and the water is cold.......

Tidbit.  It is the largest stick framed building in the US. Built in  by Chineese immigrant laborers.
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Post by: cruizng on August 06, 2017, 12:24:00 AM
TRN. It is definitely cool. I ran to the buffet.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 31, 2017, 09:26:23 PM
Ok so here is an update. First: lesson learned. Never ever attempt to reuse old fencing.  It's just not worth it. Fence materials are cheap compared to the labor. I was pulling posts after fighting all that barbed wire and finally said "forget this" and went and bought new t posts ($3.89 ea).  Rented a rhino industries gas powered post driver which is worth every stinking penny. Insert post, place bottom on mark, tilt to vertical and pull the throttle trigger.  Same with trying to reuse the clip wires that hold the wire to the post. Just get new.

Pics of finished fence to come.

Then I evacuated to the hide to escape Harvey.....more about that shortly.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 31, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
So one of the reasons I have this place is for events just like Harvey. Living in the middle of 4M people presents a challenge to evacuate in the event of an emergency.  In this case, knowing when to leave is the real key.  You must have an early warning system and multiple routes. See my concentric circle philosophy.  Keeping both trucks full is also a key. On the Bus I run 75 gallons and when the needle comes up off full, indicating that I've used 40 gallons, I fill.  That means I never have less than 35 gallons. On the dually I always have the 60 gallon tank full and fill the main tank when it gets 1/2 full.  That means I never have less than 75 gallons. I also keep at least a months worth of food at the hide in the freezer and pantry, not to mention a years worth of long term food. So the plan worked well.  If I had to say there was a lesson to be learned it would be to have a bigger generator and more gas stored.  I really need a mil surplus trailer mounted diesel gen set so I can power the entire house,  either the Houston or the hide house.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 31, 2017, 10:32:47 PM
So I'm on the schedule to have another 90 tons of granit brought in and my driveway re surfaced. I spent a month or more of weekends replacing a culvert and grading for drainage. While we didn't get torrential rains here it was steady light rain for 6 days. It required 4wd to get out and in and now my drive is very rutted. I attempted to drag out some material from up near the shops to mix with the clay mud and it helped with traction but still deep ruts.   Did as much as I could in these wet conditions.  So i moved on to the casita, attempting to get back on schedule. Installed Simpson joist hangers and hung 2x12 on 16" center. At 12 ft span that will carry plenty of load. I will say the best tool purchase in recent memory is my palm nailer to drive the short galvanized nails into the hangers. I now need to cut X braces for the joists before laying the 1 1/8" t&g plywood subfloor. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170901/be96dbddd48c7ace5deb68af216866dd.jpg)


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Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 01, 2017, 05:19:31 AM
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Post by: KensAuto on September 01, 2017, 10:25:15 AM
Looks good


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Ditto
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2017, 11:17:42 AM
Great looking work for a rain soaked Red-Neck!
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Wilbur on September 01, 2017, 11:25:29 AM
The casita is looking good.

So one of the reasons I have this place is for events just like Harvey. Living in the middle of 4M people presents a challenge to evacuate in the event of an emergency.  In this case, knowing when to leave is the real key.  You must have an early warning system and multiple routes. See my concentric circle philosophy.  Keeping both trucks full is also a key. On the Bus I run 75 gallons and when the needle comes up off full, indicating that I've used 40 gallons, I fill.  That means I never have less than 35 gallons. On the dually I always have the 60 gallon tank full and fill the main tank when it gets 1/2 full.  That means I never have less than 75 gallons. I also keep at least a months worth of food at the hide in the freezer and pantry, not to mention a years worth of long term food. So the plan worked well.  If I had to say there was a lesson to be learned it would be to have a bigger generator and more gas stored.  I really need a mil surplus trailer mounted diesel gen set so I can power the entire house,  either the Houston or the hide house.

Some good stuff here....

I think the big key is getting out of Dodge early- from what I have read traffic tie-ups, accidents etc. is what killed a bunch of people when they evacuated late during Hurricane Rita evacuations.

I like the fuel aspect- always having enough available. Do you store any you could easily load in the truck should you need it?

Curious about the whole house generator....I like the idea of having one mounted in a trailer. Have you given a thought to fuel? Would you have fuel at both locations or carry that too? Also curious about whether diesel or LP would be a better choice. I like the storage aspect of LP for something like that (not likely to be used that often), but maybe the ability to use it in a vehicle also lends itself to diesel. But with the added "work" of rotating it.

I am really glad it all worked out for you and your family. When you see what others who did not have a plan have gone through/are going through you should be proud that for your family it was sort of a "vacation". Good for you TRN!
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 01, 2017, 08:19:33 PM
Wilbur.   LP. What is that?


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: JR on September 01, 2017, 08:22:21 PM
LP, liquid propane.

Many gens are set up for that now, duo-fuel.
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 01, 2017, 11:16:28 PM
Natural gas was on the brain. Not liquid Propane


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 02, 2017, 09:03:58 AM
The casita is looking good.

So one of the reasons I have this place is for events just like Harvey. Living in the middle of 4M people presents a challenge to evacuate in the event of an emergency.  In this case, knowing when to leave is the real key.  You must have an early warning system and multiple routes. See my concentric circle philosophy.  Keeping both trucks full is also a key. On the Bus I run 75 gallons and when the needle comes up off full, indicating that I've used 40 gallons, I fill.  That means I never have less than 35 gallons. On the dually I always have the 60 gallon tank full and fill the main tank when it gets 1/2 full.  That means I never have less than 75 gallons. I also keep at least a months worth of food at the hide in the freezer and pantry, not to mention a years worth of long term food. So the plan worked well.  If I had to say there was a lesson to be learned it would be to have a bigger generator and more gas stored.  I really need a mil surplus trailer mounted diesel gen set so I can power the entire house,  either the Houston or the hide house.

Some good stuff here....

I think the big key is getting out of Dodge early- from what I have read traffic tie-ups, accidents etc. is what killed a bunch of people when they evacuated late during Hurricane Rita evacuations.

I like the fuel aspect- always having enough available. Do you store any you could easily load in the truck should you need it?

Curious about the whole house generator....I like the idea of having one mounted in a trailer. Have you given a thought to fuel? Would you have fuel at both locations or carry that too? Also curious about whether diesel or LP would be a better choice. I like the storage aspect of LP for something like that (not likely to be used that often), but maybe the ability to use it in a vehicle also lends itself to diesel. But with the added "work" of rotating it.

I am really glad it all worked out for you and your family. When you see what others who did not have a plan have gone through/are going through you should be proud that for your family it was sort of a "vacation". Good for you TRN!


So I made a 4 wire cable with locking 20A plug for the ten and a 4 wire RV plug on the other end.  Flip main breaker off and run generator in the shop and plug into the 50 amp 240 circuit in the shop to back feed the main panel.

The reason I want a mobile get set is to be portable and use it at either location.  I've seen trailer mounted get sets in mil surp that have a large tank as part of the trailer.  A good friend has two CUCV trucks with gen sets on them.  One is a 6.5 GM diesel with pto driven 12kw gen set and the other is a dodge with a dual fuel gas and propane gen set.  I may talk him out of the 6.5.  It has a huge cargo box on back with the genet that would hold a massive aux tank. that would allow that truck to run for days at full output.

I could back feed the main panel in either house with a larger cable connection.  12KW would run most everything at the hide and a good part of the house in Houston. 

As for fuel, I keep all my fuel on board the trucks (diesel anyway).  I do have a few 55 gallon drums that I keep around for extra storage.  I can easily plumb or siphon fuel from either or both trucks as needed. And having that fuel on board allows me to rotate stock and keep the fuel fresh.  Between the two trucks I have 170gallons of diesel. 

I don't really like the idea of having to maintain another vehicle, so I may look seriously at a trailer mounted gen set.
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 09, 2017, 08:21:54 PM
So today I pulled a few of the joist hangers to get the joists more level. Being anal for sure. Then cut my cross braces and got everything buttoned up. Hitachi nail gun works well. Next up is laying the tongue and groove subfloor. 1 1/8 plywood. Any advice on how to lay the t&g would be appreciated. I plan to glue and screw but getting the tongue fully seated in the groove is where my concern lies.

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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: JR on September 09, 2017, 09:30:53 PM
I used a 2x4 screwed onto each piece and pipe clamps on mine. Screwed a 2x4 next to the one I was working on for the clamp.

Use LOTS of glue, it acts like a lube. Be sure the glue is for sub floors so it doesn't harden, no squeaks!

I would only use coated torx screws, the phillips strip way to easy. Started each screw with a hammer so the screwing was easier.
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 09, 2017, 09:35:23 PM
Thanks JR. I may have to sacrifice I sheet since I built this for 2 sheets by 6 sheets. And bout 12 total.


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: JR on September 09, 2017, 09:39:13 PM
Changed it a little once I found the pic. It was 10 years ago!  :knucklehead:
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Mrwoody on September 09, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Tex,
Try the Bowrench. Looks like slowes carries it now. I've used it for my deck boards and you will need a sacrificial board for the groove. Or a come along
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: JR on September 09, 2017, 10:04:13 PM
Cool little tool. What are those things with cords on them?

https://youtu.be/oQwVUnTPC6I
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: stlaser on September 09, 2017, 10:11:52 PM
Cheap old school 2" ratchet strap, one at each end with ratchet hung over outer edge of outside floor joist hooked to bottom of it......
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: JR on September 09, 2017, 10:30:10 PM
Cheap old school 2" ratchet strap, one at each end with ratchet hung over outer edge of outside floor joist hooked to bottom of it......

Yep, I didn't have a ratchet strap, but had the pipe clamps.
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 09, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Shawn, for a dope smoking hippy you sure are smart.....

Thanks.  I have some pretty heavy duty straps
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: stlaser on September 10, 2017, 07:37:43 AM
Shawn, for a dope smoking hippy you sure are smart.....

Thanks.  I have some pretty heavy duty straps

 :likebutton: sounds like a compliment Ken might give, you guys related? Or, maybe just an affinity for all things H by chance?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 10, 2017, 08:06:01 AM
Meh. Just piling on. The ankles on Hillary are bigger than my thighs.

I had a lady on my team transfer to Denver to get closer to the places she and her family like to camp. Someone gave her a green cross t shirt as a gag gift.


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Jared Herzog on September 10, 2017, 10:19:39 AM
We cut a strip that has the other matched tongue or groove. Then hammer away on that piece. Do not try to hammer on the tongue or groove on the piece you are installing. By cutting a strip you have a sacrificial piece that mates up to your sheet. With careful planning you can get this strip from some fall off. We also use liquid nails or sub floor adhesive and many screws. What plywood subfloor material are you using? We use advantech and it has proven to hold up well if it gets wet. It is more like water proof osb though. Plywood is strong but buckles when wet and will suffer delimitation. The floor is small so that helps but make sure your first row is perfectly straight otherwise when you stagger joints you will start to stair step. You could mark off 4' rows and start at the row closest to the center and work out in both directions. That way you will have less stepping because you traveled half the distance. Also, inspect each tongue or groove for debris before locking it in. The shape can be cleaned out with a razor knife. Your best bet is to get the roof on once you lay the floor sheeting.
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: stlaser on September 10, 2017, 11:01:14 AM
Meh. Just piling on. The ankles on Hillary are bigger than my thighs.

I had a lady on my team transfer to Denver to get closer to the places she and her family like to camp. Someone gave her a green cross t shirt as a gag gift.


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There are some very liberal (hateful pockets) here around / in Denver. Boulder is a large one, college town. I personally try to stay away from that place. When I do go there it seems I will get attacked at least once. Last trip 9 months ago (btw it's 15 min from my house) I had a guy come up wanting money to save the elephants. Can't make this stuff up, I warned him to go away & he did which was great for both of us but my guard is always high over there.

Now, there are also a lot of churches here. In fact the locally owned coffee shop is owned by a pastor of a church in Boulder. He's a real man in every sense of our definition. He's also on the front lines & has had services interrupted by mentally challenged individuals. Lots of good stories and I keep him in my prayers. There's plenty of tinder here & all it will take is a small spark.

One thing about it, for the most part you know which side people are on. I couldn't say that about NE IN, it was definitely hard to tell there. The ones here wear no camouflage......

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 10, 2017, 11:32:33 AM
Jared thanks for the tips. I tried to plan so that I had exactly the right number of sheets. The floor is exactly 16x24. But then I found that the 4x8 sheets are actually 96x47 when you account for the tongue engagement in the groove. SMH. Now I will have to go buy two more sheets. I'll start by ripping one in half and finish with one that is 2'6".

I hadn't thought about this but should I be cutting every other row into 4x4 and putting one whole sheet in the middle and the 2 4x4 pieces on the ends so I don't have one seam running all the way down the center of the room as I would have if I just laid them in full sheets?


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 10, 2017, 11:34:13 AM
As for what it is, it appears to be just really thick plywood. I plan on getting the structure dried in shortly after putting the floor down. I'll tarp it in the mean time.


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Post by: JR on September 10, 2017, 11:46:35 AM
I will backup how the OSB holds up to water! Had a leak in the tarp once the walls were up and I had a good inch of water trapped between the studs. 10 years later and the floor is solid, that exact spot above!
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 10, 2017, 01:11:12 PM
Tex you should stager the seams, when I was framing we just used a 2x4 on the open mouth side and hammed it into place. Seemed to work well and not damage the joint.  If the joint does end up damaged just cut it open and clear out the degree


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Jared Herzog on September 10, 2017, 01:43:14 PM
Yes stagger the seams. We stagger everything on the floors, walls, roof,and ceilings. It is stronger staggered. It also minimizes seeing that seam once done. Advantech holds up to water. I prefer plywood for strength but it must be kept dry. I am sure there are exceptions to that rule using marine grade plywood and such but the cost goes up quickly. I can put a hammer through osb easily. Plywood is much harder to break.  On the homes we build i use 5/8" plywood decking on the roof. It gets decking staples, then ring shank galvanized nails, then deck screws. Enough of each so that each type holds as if the other two were not there. Plywood will hold a roofing screw better than osb. In San Marcos, TX in 06 we had grapefruit and softball size hail. It went right into the living areas on homes with 7/16" osb. None of the hail punched through even 1/2" plywood. On the tornado/strong rooms we build we layer 3/4" plywood on the walls and ceilings then fasten the cube to the concrete with imbeds or wedge anchors every 12". We do that to reinforce when customers do not want concrete block. My business partner and i have hid several bunkers under buildings like yours.
I also agree that huge straps work well to pull panels into place. I use this method to get walls straight to brace and build off of once we start cutting the roof in. Good luck with your project. It is looking great.
Title: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Jared Herzog on September 10, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
One more thing worth mentioning. Make sure each piece of sheeting you use touches at least three floor joists. It will dip over time if you go from joist to joist. For example. With 16" OC your smallest piece should be a minimum of 32" wide. 24" OC and your minimum is 48". Full sheets and half sheets are best for strength and material usage. If you have a situation where you have to go joist to joist you can block under it to add strength. This blocking works but is not ideal if it can be avoided. Also if you end up short on the ends due to width you can pull the sheet away from the edge about half the width of the glue lambs. The wall can then be pushed out to the edge and sandwich the floor between the wall and glue lamb. Fill this void with material so the wall has a solid base. Check the spec on your sheeting. Some require a gap to allow for expansion and contraction. I use a nail to gap when needed.
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Post by: stlaser on September 10, 2017, 04:05:35 PM
Charles, I like this JH guy he is thorough.  :likebutton:

Maybe we can recruit him for DOT status? I mean Ken seems to be slipping ever since H lost. Don seems to be able to post much more here lately with less interruption which is never good.  :popcorn:
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 10, 2017, 10:14:59 PM
Guys thanks for all the advice.  It makes so much sense to stagger seams once I started laying it. I cut the first row down to about 24 inches knowing I'll finish witj about 30 on the other side. This stuff is a workout. 1&1/8 thick. I used the grove from the piece I trimmed to make beater blocks. Sledge encouraged them into place. 49 deck screws in each sheet. When I split the last sheet into 4 ft pieces it was so bowed that no amount of screws would pull the edge down so I ditched it. Now I need 3 more sheets to finish. The APA label says the glue used in this ply is water resistant so hopefully if it gets a rain before I get it closed in I'll be ok

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Post by: JR on September 10, 2017, 11:01:12 PM
Stagger looks good. Funny how it works out that even though you make the frame to match 4x8 ply, they are not!

Just roll on a coat of sealer when you are done, no worries about rain
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Post by: Jared Herzog on September 10, 2017, 11:06:27 PM
Looks great. If the wood is water resistant you are golden. There will always be something exciting about the smell of cut lumber.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 10, 2017, 11:41:00 PM
Thanks Jared.  I plan to balloon frame with 2x6x12 and use a 2x4 for a ledger board let into the 2x6 wall at 9ft.  Set i joists on that and that should give me 24 inches of pony wall upstairs on which to set the rafters on a 12/12 pitch.  That should give me 10ft at the peak.

I plan to use a steel spiral staircase so on the side with the stairs I will have a shed dormer that should give me 8ft headroom at the top of the stairs.  My biggest uncertainty is the roof framing.  Just getting the birdsmouths accurate and the overhangs and shed dormer framed will be a challenge.

Like eating the elephant....one bite at a time....
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Post by: stlaser on September 10, 2017, 11:46:19 PM
Charles, do you need the roof joists laid out on cad? My new laptop and software should be here in the next couple days & I can do it for you if needed.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on September 10, 2017, 11:50:03 PM
I will keep an eye on your thread. I know how to cut those rafters in and might be able to help if i can relay the information correctly. I can show you how to lay it out with a framing square or use my construction master from calculated industries. I feel like the calculator is cheating but it sure is fast. They are definitely worth their cost when used often.
I am currently framing a 1200 ft garage for a customer and doing my own home in its entirety as money allows to teach my 17 year old daughter the business. Framing is just one aspect of what we do. Currently i would take her over most of the guys that are willing to work. When i got my lumber package delivered all at once the kids were looking at the bundles. I told them that is there home and we just need to put it together. That is eating an elephant one bite at a time.
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Post by: JR on September 11, 2017, 12:04:45 AM
Hey Jared, have you seen my room addition? 1 step at a time for sure. Advice is always welcome.

http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=3048.0
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 11, 2017, 07:36:54 PM
Jared that's great experience for the kids.  I have a few cheat sheets and such and I'm sure I'll muddle through it.  As you know when you don't do this often (or ever) it just takes 4 times as long.  Especially if you have plans in your head and somewhat sketched out on paper.

Shawn any and all help is apprecaited if you have something that will help and is not too much trouble.

outside edges of the walls will measure 16x24.  roof will be framed on a 12/12 pitch with 2x6 rafters with 18-24 inch overhang (what ever looks right).  In the middle of the left long side as vieweed from the front will have a 6 ft wide shed dormer that begins at the peak and slopes down about 18-24 inches to the end of the dormer.  Sheath with 5/8 ply and metal R panel roof.
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Post by: stlaser on September 12, 2017, 09:08:13 PM
Jared that's great experience for the kids.  I have a few cheat sheets and such and I'm sure I'll muddle through it.  As you know when you don't do this often (or ever) it just takes 4 times as long.  Especially if you have plans in your head and somewhat sketched out on paper.

Shawn any and all help is apprecaited if you have something that will help and is not too much trouble.

outside edges of the walls will measure 16x24.  roof will be framed on a 12/12 pitch with 2x6 rafters with 18-24 inch overhang (what ever looks right).  In the middle of the left long side as vieweed from the front will have a 6 ft wide shed dormer that begins at the peak and slopes down about 18-24 inches to the end of the dormer.  Sheath with 5/8 ply and metal R panel roof.

Charles, laptop is being delivered tomorrow. Once I load the software I'll lay it out & send you a PDF.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 15, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
Thank you Shawn. Much appreciated. 
Today I picked up wood. Should start framing tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Dawg25385 on September 15, 2017, 10:22:22 PM
Thank you Shawn. Much appreciated. 
Today I picked up wood. Should start framing tomorrow.

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Post by: KensAuto on September 16, 2017, 10:21:26 AM
Great looking wood Charles. :wink

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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: stlaser on September 16, 2017, 02:44:20 PM
Great looking wood Charles. :wink

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Careful Charles........ never know about these H supporters!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 16, 2017, 07:33:09 PM
Oh I have some big wood for Ken....

Finished the sub floor and got one wall up.  Even though I put the 24 ft wall up in two sections, a single 12 ft section was too heavy for me to lift.  I think I have a testicle rolling around on the deck somewhere....

So I was stumped for a while.  Then I figured that I would get my climbing gear and a climbing pulley and get up in a tree to hang a pulley then run it down to a carabiner then to the tractor.  That proved to be a bigger challenge than it sounds like since my blocks nailed to the side of the platofrm to keep the wall from sliding broke loose....

So back to the drawing board.  More blocks but screwed this time and put a lot of tension on the wall and went to lift then insert a 3ft  2x under the wall to hold it up.  Then back to the tractor and I got it most of the way up but not so much that it would flop off of the deck.  got it braced and then plumbed.

Then on to the second half using the same technique..

pics in a bit.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 16, 2017, 08:18:19 PM
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First wall up. 12ft tall 24ft long. 3x3 window over sink.

Next up. Other 24ft wall. Will have 2 4x5 windows. Evenly spaced.


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Post by: JR on September 16, 2017, 08:42:32 PM
Nice fast work. Wall go fast, like the height

Can't wait to get mine going, wiring is a mess (tying in, what goes where)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 16, 2017, 08:51:39 PM
It took much longer than it should have.  Working alone is tough. A buddy is coming up in the morning. Should go faster.

JR renovations always take longer and are tougher. Piecing things together it much tougher


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Post by: JR on September 16, 2017, 09:09:13 PM

JR renovations always take longer and are tougher. Piecing things together it much tougher


I hear you. Finally traced all the wires with my sons help. I have had to rewire the garage and pull new wire down to old outlets for about 1/2 the work now.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 17, 2017, 07:00:57 AM
Happy Lord's Day gentlemen.  Back at framing this morning.  Got a buddy coming over early to help.  My hope is to get all the rest of the walls up, but I'll settle on the remaining big wall and one of the end walls.
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Post by: JR on September 17, 2017, 11:13:32 AM
Have fun Charles,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 17, 2017, 08:13:31 PM
Beer thirty
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Post by: JR on September 17, 2017, 10:06:25 PM
Good days work. About what you wanted, 3 walls.

Whats up with the stud above the right window?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 17, 2017, 10:25:29 PM
Actually all four walls are up now. If you mean the left window from our view, I don't know what happened. I laid it out as I went and got off kilter on the jack studs above the header. Will cut them loose and re center later. Just wanted to get all four up and then I can tweak.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 17, 2017, 10:27:09 PM
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Here's all four up.

Next is cutting in the ledger for the joists for the second floor. I have 9 1/2 inch I joists.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 17, 2017, 10:29:08 PM
That front walk with two windows and the door was so heavy that two of us couldn't lift it. We had to use the pulley and tractor system and one guiding to get it up.

So some quick math says that wall was probably 600 lbs.

No wonder.

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Post by: JR on September 17, 2017, 11:16:53 PM
Don't get me wrong, it looks great! Wish I had a wall or 2 up, still playing with wires  :facepalm:
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 18, 2017, 07:46:28 AM
Now if you had added sheeting before leaning it up.  Think of that weight added.   Then you could have used a router to cut out the windows and doors too.


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Post by: Jared Herzog on September 18, 2017, 08:16:01 AM
My grandfather would not lift a wall until the windows, sheeting, tar paper, and siding were in/on it and either their full length or 16' minimum. I have never done it that way. Too heavy. He swore by it though. With my daughter we lift up to 16' walls by hand. But, i do not do window sills, tails, or headers in a wall before we lift it. For me i can get things perfectly square with less large lumber to shove over. I have also found i like the large cargo straps. I use chokers on each end to secure the strap. Walls can be moved in 1/8" increments easily to get and hold square.  Are you doing a second top plate to weave your plates and corners together?
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 18, 2017, 08:42:13 AM
Good day's work, Looking nice!
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Post by: KensAuto on September 18, 2017, 09:55:01 AM
Times 2 on the top plate question.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 18, 2017, 10:49:40 AM
Yeah. I braced and plumbed the long walls usining a good old fashioned plumb bob to eliminate false reading off crowned studs.

Once it's squared up I'll weave the top plates.

Dave I thought about sheathing it but those 2x6 walls are already waaaay to heavy. Easier to adjust in sticks if it needs to be massaged


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 18, 2017, 10:50:59 AM
I still have some tweaking to do. I just wanted to get the heavy lifting done while I had help


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Post by: rpar86 on September 18, 2017, 11:39:20 PM
I agree on the 2x6 walls - took me and 3 neighbors to lift my garage walls - and had to lift them up onto concrete stem walls over anchor bolts.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 23, 2017, 09:37:26 PM
Trying to get caught up here.

Got the walls up and made a mistake on the back wall. It was between the two long walls and I went 16 inch oc from the corner and  not from the corner of the long wall so sheathing did not lineup from the actual corner. Live and learn. Cost me 2 sheets of plywood.

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Here you can see the rafters going up. This is a 12/12 roof. with the 32 inch pony wall upstairs the peak of the roof will give me 10 ft inside peak.
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Which means I needed a dormer to get the require 7'6" height above the stairs
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Here you can see the lookout rafters and sub facia board going on. House will be all hardie including trim so I made the lookout rafters 14.5 inches so that with the 2x4 sub facia the 16 inch non vented hardie will completely cover all the wood and then a 1x8 hardi facia board finishes the outside edge.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 23, 2017, 09:39:49 PM
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Here?s where the often elusive common sense kicked in. Working alone to haul sheathing up a 24ft ladder seemed like a bad idea and would take one man forever.  So I called the guy who built the main house and he hooked me up with his framing crew to come knock out the decking. Three guys at $46/hr. Seems reasonable and they knocked it our in 11 hours.



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Instead of 30# felt I?m using rhino synthetic underlayment. Supposed to be superior and can be left open to the elements for 120 days. Very thin fabric and a roll covers 100 sq ft. 2x4 purlins for the metal roof in place and metal roof ordered. Will be emerald green R Panel to match the main house.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 23, 2017, 09:42:44 PM
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So here?s where I got back to work. Wrapping the house in tyvek by myself was fun. Feel like I could leg press a Jeep after 100s of Tripp?s up and down the ladder to anchor on end then move the ladder to anchor the other then move the ladder and nail and tape all along the way.  You get the point.


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Here the soffit coming together. Here?s where I hired the crew again. Holding 12 ft flimsy pieces of hardi 20ft in the air by yourself didn?t seem like a great idea. They knocked all the facia and soffit out in 5 hours. Another smoking deal.


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And back to me working again. Poured 12 tube form footings for the 4x6 porch posts and sank wet anchors in place. Here?s where lack of planning and engineering came back to haunt me a bit. The double 2x12 from the house to the posts is really not all that structural but securing them to the house in a way that didn?t include a ledger board was tough since I was building all the way to the edge. Some timber locks driven at 45 degree angles in the top and bottom of each 2x12 seemed to do the trick. I may add a Simpson right angle bracket but I have to keep protrusions to a minimum since this will all be covered in hardie. I did some pull ups from them so I guess that will hold
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 24, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Looks good I like the progress


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 25, 2017, 07:08:03 PM
Ran my crew today for 3 1/2 hours. Got all the main R panels up.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 25, 2017, 07:26:58 PM
And my new Hitachi coil siding nailer came in from amazon. About ready to rock and roll some hardi plank.


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Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2017, 09:00:09 PM
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Post by: JR on November 26, 2017, 01:26:47 AM
Looks good. I was lucky and wrapped my walls before they went up. How are you going to cover the crawlspace?

Coil guns are great for this stuff. I have a bostich for siding and a HF for shingles.

HF framer was acting up a little today, didn't like loading new nails. Had to set a few by hand and dig a couple out of the gun. Still saved me a ton of work.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 26, 2017, 07:41:54 AM
Not sure yet JR. Because of the humidity I don?t want to cloSe it off completely. More of a critter filter probably.


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Post by: JR on November 26, 2017, 05:32:18 PM
I was thinking of critters and them getting into the woodwork.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 26, 2017, 08:01:00 PM
Ok. Picked up a new 28 ft IA ladder, some scaffold jacks and some solar board for the porch since it won?t have spray foam insulation.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 26, 2017, 08:01:34 PM
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 26, 2017, 09:07:59 PM
You should look at some ladder adjustable feet from Sherwin Williams or another supplier. That new ladder will have you a long way up in in the air.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 26, 2017, 09:27:25 PM
Yeah I probably do Bob. Especial on this sloping site so I don't have to dig with the claw hammer to level a spot.


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Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 26, 2017, 10:06:41 PM
That was a pretty penny for that fiberglass ladder! 


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 26, 2017, 11:48:39 PM
Yeah Dave, but cheaper than a trip to the ER.  The 200 lb capacity type III I have (24ft) is wobbly as all get out, especially since I go 230 by myself with no gear.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 27, 2017, 12:33:55 AM
I hate ladders but I own a forty foot ex, a thirty Ex, and a couple six foot A
frames. 

You can never have enough ladders.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 27, 2017, 09:37:05 PM
So a few more tools came in this week. Maybe the reality is that I only build as an excuse to buy tools. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171128/b9bd6d32d3489addc55ae524602683bd.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171128/410fed3e33322c5d626753b42264a7f0.jpg)


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 27, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
And here?s where I left the porch. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171128/dbf2424573124e168a0cbf1a251f2e07.jpg)

Low slope. 13 inches over 8 feet. Needed it to tuck under the eave from the side of the main roof.  Just need to build the lookout rafters and soffit and facia


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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 27, 2017, 10:01:51 PM
I run a duofast siding gun. My business partner had a hitachi of a couple years old. It might be worthwhile to see if your gun will run standard coils. The hitachi is the only gun that coils the nails backwards. This is an issue if you run anything but their coils. It just makes it a bit more costly and narrows what nails can he used.
But, if it only for one project it will be ok. And, maybe they fixed the coil issue. The house is looking great.
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Post by: KensAuto on November 27, 2017, 10:02:45 PM
Is that the coiler special for concrete planks? got a pick of the nails? just curious.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 27, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
Its like having a 408 cheytac with no ammo.  Supposed to be a bad arse gun but we won't know until we get nails.

Jared, I think the new ones are pretty standard from the reviews I've read.  Will report back shortly
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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 27, 2017, 10:07:16 PM
When the siding gets installed you might want to consider using moist stop behind every butt joint which laps out over the piece under it. I cut 12? strips so i end up with a piece 12?X12?. This keeps water out of the joint once the caulk cracks with the expansion and contraction of the hardi. I use a staple slapper to pin it in place.
Also, use smooth galvanized fasteners. The ring shank which get used on fencing blows the back of the hardi out due to the ribs in the nails.
Edit. If they fixed that one issue with their coil gun it will rock and roll. I have a ton of hitachi pneumatic guns.
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Post by: rpar86 on November 28, 2017, 12:40:10 AM
When the siding gets installed you might want to consider using moist stop behind every butt joint which laps out over the piece under it. I cut 12? strips so i end up with a piece 12?X12?. This keeps water out of the joint once the caulk cracks with the expansion and contraction of the hardi. I use a staple slapper to pin it in place.
Also, use smooth galvanized fasteners. The ring shank which get used on fencing blows the back of the hardi out due to the ribs in the nails.
Edit. If they fixed that one issue with their coil gun it will rock and roll. I have a ton of hitachi pneumatic guns.
Hardi no longer wants caulk to be used on butt joints. It's in the install instructions.
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Post by: JR on November 28, 2017, 01:20:03 AM
Got my first sheets up today. Gun worked great!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 28, 2017, 06:21:35 AM
Good intel Jared and Ryan. I did see the install with the flashing behind the joints. Thanks for the reminder.  Jared I?m assuming you are referring to the product line by Fortifiber?  Can you link to the product or provide more specifics on comparable material to use behind the joints?

Also let?s chat about nailing. I get the ring shank piece.

I?ve never liked blind nailing just the hidden portion. It just seems flimsy.  Would you also nail into the lower portion of the plank every 32 inches or so?


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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 28, 2017, 10:43:16 AM
In some states they require blind nails and a nail over the lap. I will give a run down on what i do and why. Some of my steps are not recommended. But, after many many houses it is what i do. I am in Texas so face nailing is not required in my area. I think some of the gulf coast regions do require the extra nail.
During my framing i use a sharpi to mark each stud and mark hazards on the outside of the slab. I do this before underpinning is installed which will cover my marks. If underpinning is already in i use a small pencil mark. This helps me locate studs accurately and fast to install sheeting. I then use this mark and transfer it to the wall for siding. So every hit is a stud for sure. There is no guessing.
I blind nail every stud. If i have two or three studs together i use two or three nails. I then do one face nail on each side of a joint. When this nail is left out these joints move too much for my liking. I also face nail as needed for rolls and such. Try to nail in the center of the lap. Too low and a nail will show. Too high and it does not hold the siding as well and could blow out the edge. I use moist stop for a joint flashing. You can use almost anything as long as it is water proof. I will post a photo later of my nails and my flashing.
I know hardi no longer recommends caulk but i caulk. My OCD will not allow me to see all those horizontal joints. These joints look terrible after paint unless the owner uses dark paint. Most are going light paint these days. They no longer recommend this as most painters use the cheapest caulk. It gets hard then the hardi expands and contracts and turns the caulk into a small ridge. This happens with the acrylic painters caulk which lacks silicone. I use the highest grade caulk i can. I also caulk twice to take care of shrinkage. I caulk as i go then i caulk a week later or once the siding is done. Carry a damp rag with you to clean up the caulk on butt joints. I try to leave a thin smooth layer over the joint to sort of bridge the gap. I have not had any issues doing this. I have used dap siliconized acrylic 40 year, i have used window and door trim caulk made by PL, and i have used dyna flex. Now here is where i also do what is not recommended. I caulk every horizontal joint and once again i caulk twice. The dyna flex or pl are thicker and harder to use but hold well and remain pliable. This sort of glues down the hardi pieces also. I started doing this after almost every homeowner insisted on it even when i said it is against the hardi installation instructions. But, i have been back to some of these homes twenty years later to repaint them and all is well. Some will say doing this traps moisture. This is true. But, had i used the 4X8 sheets the wall would have been sealed anyway. Any moisture would hit my flashing behind the joint. I leave 1/4? directly below this joint uncaulked. Or i come back and slit the caulk or push a scratch all into the caulk to leave an escape path for water that hits the flashing. With premium paints the walls are also sealed up and theoretically would trap water anyway.
On your starter row do a lathe strip. I just use deck staples to attach a 1?-1 1/2? wide strip of 1/4? luane plywood or i rip a 1/4? piece of a 2x4. Use a material slightly thinner than the siding because this gets attached to the framing. Then your starter row gets dropped down an inch to an inch and a half to create a drip lip. This distance i drop does vary based on how the home is framed. I mark all my first rows and chalk them out.   
I use hardi nails for the siding that are 1 7/8? so as not to penetrate too far into a wall stud where wiring or plumbing is.
On the trim i use hardi trim. I also install it as if it was wood. This is also against the rules. My issue is too many windows extend too far out beyond the wall surface so you have to double up hardi and screw it in. Or use cedar which will eventually rot. What i do is have the hardi siding cover the window flange. I bring it up to within 1/8? or 1/4? of the window , covering the flange, then put the 1x4 hardi trim on top. I do this because i do not want a horizontal joint running the length of the window. This also holds the hardi down. With most windows this puts the face of the trim even with the window or 1/8? beyond. I then caulk the junction of the trim and siding and the trim and window. I exclusively use PL window and door caulk to seal the top of a window. I have also used NP1 which can be on a roof in the sun for something like fifty years. It takes paint well. Any caulk that is used that does not take paint such as pure silicone can be allowed to dry. Then go over it with the dap siliconized acrylic and you get a paintable surface.  I caulk these areas between the window trim and siding twice to level out shrinkage. I only nail the trim in through the void of the hardi siding. If you try to nail through the 1x hardi trim and two layers of siding the nails bend over. I have experimented with galvanized non ringshank nails here with a framing gun but the framer is too tough and the nails too fat. So i use the galvanized non ringshank 2 1/4? nails here made for the hardi gun. The caulk i use also glues everything together. I carry a nail set while doing trim so i can get nails at least flush. Sub flush is ok. Just no reason to sink them too deep as they will not hold as well.
Make sure you get a good saw blade made for hardi. They run about $40 but they last me a dozen homes or more. I lose more to theft. They make some that are under $10 but they do not last. A good blade will keep chipping at a minimum. Also, cut with the table down wind. It will blow the dust away. Otherwise it causes silicosis. Bad stuff.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 28, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
Sorry guys. I can not get my post to work. I tried copy and paste. It is only showing a small fraction. At least on my phone. Can someone let me know if you guys can see it in its entirety?
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Post by: Bear9350 on November 28, 2017, 11:29:05 AM
looks like it worked to me.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 28, 2017, 11:42:34 AM
Nice instructions, looks like it posted fine.
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Post by: dave945 on November 28, 2017, 11:48:33 AM
I hope that was all of it, my brain is floating just trying to keep up with it so far. Great information, I?m looking at options for residing my new(to me) home and garage. Hardin is my top choice so far, but depends on cost maintenance/painting and other factors. We?ll see.
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Post by: KensAuto on November 28, 2017, 02:28:48 PM
Jarod, if it was supposed to be 7,645,239 words, then yes it worked.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 28, 2017, 02:38:40 PM
LOL. Sorry i am not good with describing my thoughts so if there is clarification needed i can do that. I need to find a computerologist. I can not add photos like on Cummins Forum with tapatalk here.
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Post by: nmeyer414 on November 28, 2017, 02:50:13 PM
Jared, if the photos can wait a little bit, i will upload them for you when i get home this afternoon.  Just PM me your email address and we can make this happen for you.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 28, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
  Jared. I bought a set of hardie shears to cut straight cuts. Have never used them before but it seems like they are perfect for cutting without dust.  Any experience with those?

Also can you clarify on my question about nailing and the actual moist stop product?


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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 28, 2017, 09:21:50 PM
823058 is the Lowes item number to a product similar to the moist stop i use. I got mine at McCoys but can not find it on their site. I would have to actually feel the Lowes product to see how similar it is but it will work for the framing under the windows to flash the sill before windows go in and hardi goes on. It will also work on hardi joints. I have seen everything used from tar paper to synthetic roof felt on to and including metal tin or aluminum flashing. I just like the black roll flashing. I do not use house wrap as a flashing. You could also use many of the sticky window tapes also but they get expensive and are overkill.
I have never used or seen anyone use the sheers. I saw those and thought they were for the metal roof. If you like them let me know and i will give them a shot. I just use a diablo hardi saw blade. I try to never have a cut joint showing. I can get them perfectly square but if you look at the factory joint it has a very slight bevel. I hide all cuts under trim.
On the nails yes you can nail every 16? or 32? revealed. Or any pattern you want.  The hardi holds tight under all the trim and with proper nails hidden under the lap. But, i always reveal nail my joints and any irregularity that needs a nail to suck the siding down. Too many nails showing looks bad. It will sort of dimple the piece and will have a nail to caulk. The goal is a perfectly flat wall without any waves.
I also use interior/exterior liquid nails. It holds tight to hardi and i use it on trim pieces that i would shatter with more than one nail. If it oozes out spread the ooze and paint it or caulk over it and paint.
If you use a saw keep the guard blown off with air. The dust clogs its function and before you know it it no longer covers the blade and the saw takes off when you set it down. The saw is fast and allows me to cut a six piece stack at a time. It is however very dusty so wind to my back and cut. No wind and i am working on another area of the house as the dust is overwhelming at times.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 28, 2017, 09:41:23 PM
If anyone here wants to use Behr paint at Home Depot PM me. I have an account there which gets 20% off all behr products. It works at any location in the US but it could be verified at customer service before the paint is mixed. I am in no way endorsing them but use them and Lowes and Sherwin Williams. I have accounts at the other places as well but that discount is too hard to convey. The discount is immediate at the register with ProX rewards. You just enter my phone number. I get nothing for this discount. It is all to the purchaser. If this post violates any rules i apologize and i will delete it.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 29, 2017, 08:45:35 AM
Jared, great information and thank you for sharing your experience.

I'm most confused about all the differing and changing thoughts on window installation. Particularly the use of flashing material below the window, whether that be moist stop or other tyvek type products.  If you already have a complete layer of tyvek on the house why and what use is that additional flap of material 12-18 inches below the window?
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
If anyone here wants to use Behr paint at Home Depot PM me. I have an account there which gets 20% off all behr products. It works at any location in the US but it could be verified at customer service before the paint is mixed. I am in no way endorsing them but use them and Lowes and Sherwin Williams. I have accounts at the other places as well but that discount is too hard to convey. The discount is immediate at the register with ProX rewards. You just enter my phone number. I get nothing for this discount. It is all to the purchaser. If this post violates any rules i apologize and i will delete it.
No, you're good

Men helpin' men...Iron sharpening Iron...

You're just practicing your Christianity, that's all

No chance you'd be added to the same list that Ken, Shawn, and a couple others here are on ;-))
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2017, 09:40:28 AM
Another point

Jared, you seem to know quite a bit about buildin'

You should post over in the construction area

Let me see, I may be going somewhere with this...Brain (old as it is) is startin' to do some conjurin'

You could be a oracle of sorts. People could seek advice, after paying the proper homage, of course, then the oracle could speak, and the matter could be settled.

Could call it:
J Speakes
or
J's Advice place
or
The J list
or
Builder J and the do-right corner
or
J the answer man
or
Something like that

You could tell numbskulls (Tex comes to mind...as well as me) how to do things properly

As this idea starts to focus I see a new moderator being born. But this one did not ask for the job. You see around here, anytime someone has an idea about a new discussion area (Just ask Tex-red-neck) he/she gets appointed a moderator...

Just sayin' that this is new ground for me...someone who didn't suggest an idea gettin' corralled and all that...
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Post by: nmeyer414 on November 29, 2017, 01:08:38 PM
Another point

Jared, you seem to know quite a bit about buildin'

You should post over in the construction area

Let me see, I may be going somewhere with this...Brain (old as it is) is startin' to do some conjurin'

You could be a oracle of sorts. People could seek advice, after paying the proper homage, of course, then the oracle could speak, and the matter could be settled.

Could call it:
J Speakes
or
J's Advice place
or
The J list
or
Builder J and the do-right corner
or
J the answer man
or
Something like that

You could tell numbskulls (DON comes to mind...as well as me) how to do things properly

As this idea starts to focus I see a new moderator being born. But this one did not ask for the job. You see around here, anytime someone has an idea about a new discussion area (Just ask Tex-red-neck) he/she gets appointed a moderator...

Just sayin' that this is new ground for me...someone who didn't suggest an idea gettin' corralled and all that...
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Post by: cruizng on November 29, 2017, 05:24:01 PM
823058 is the Lowes item number to a product similar to the moist stop i use. I got mine at McCoys but can not find it on their site. I would have to actually feel the Lowes product to see how similar it is but it will work for the framing under the windows to flash the sill before windows go in and hardi goes on. It will also work on hardi joints. I have seen everything used from tar paper to synthetic roof felt on to and including metal tin or aluminum flashing. I just like the black roll flashing. I do not use house wrap as a flashing. You could also use many of the sticky window tapes also but they get expensive and are overkill.
I have never used or seen anyone use the sheers. I saw those and thought they were for the metal roof. If you like them let me know and i will give them a shot. I just use a diablo hardi saw blade. I try to never have a cut joint showing. I can get them perfectly square but if you look at the factory joint it has a very slight bevel. I hide all cuts under trim.
On the nails yes you can nail every 16? or 32? revealed. Or any pattern you want.  The hardi holds tight under all the trim and with proper nails hidden under the lap. But, i always reveal nail my joints and any irregularity that needs a nail to suck the siding down. Too many nails showing looks bad. It will sort of dimple the piece and will have a nail to caulk. The goal is a perfectly flat wall without any waves.
I also use interior/exterior liquid nails. It holds tight to hardi and i use it on trim pieces that i would shatter with more than one nail. If it oozes out spread the ooze and paint it or caulk over it and paint.
If you use a saw keep the guard blown off with air. The dust clogs its function and before you know it it no longer covers the blade and the saw takes off when you set it down. The saw is fast and allows me to cut a six piece stack at a time. It is however very dusty so wind to my back and cut. No wind and i am working on another area of the house as the dust is overwhelming at times.

I have to give it to Jared if you are typing all of this on a PHONE!! I can't hardly type my email address correctly. Great content!  :beercheers:
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Post by: Jared Herzog on November 29, 2017, 08:23:27 PM
I am no expert. Just someone sharing information. I would be glad to answer any questions i can. The projects going on here are exciting. I am blessed to be able to do what i love for a career which is home building. I learned most of what i know from my grandfather and father and grew up on job sites. My grandfather retired about twenty years ago which set the wheels in motion to put me where i am today.
I am currently building my home with my oldest daughter. She just turned 18. She is interested in construction so we will do a complete home together so she can see the process and we can take it slow. The neighbors were puzzled to see a girl hanging beams when we were framing. Then they were wondering how a 115 pound girl could deck a roof with 5/8? plywood. I did have a crew pour the concrete and another drill the well. Everything else will be just us including the septic tank installation.
Anyway, if anyone needs help here just let me know.
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Post by: JR on November 30, 2017, 11:33:51 PM
Any hints on my build are welcome. Know I have a couple of opps with stud spacing, but nothing major.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2017, 09:24:49 AM
...So no one picked up on recruitin' Jared???
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 01, 2017, 10:27:11 AM
Jared needs to start an intro line!


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Post by: KensAuto on December 01, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
That sounds awesome Jared. I only wish that at least one of my girls were interested in getting their hands dirty and learn some skills .....for free no less!
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 01, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
Jared needs to start an intro line!


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What is that and where do you do it? I am usually here somewhere reading. Or over on the diesel forums watching the fighting and shaking my head. Just got done reading two other build threads here that were very interesting. This site has tons of good information and a great group of men.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 01, 2017, 08:09:09 PM
Jared, shot the hitachi for the first time today. Used 2 1/4 Galv wire coil 15 degree.  I assume that 0 degree will not miraculously work in this gun?  It works well.

Also the electric hardie shears are awesome. Zero dust and drama and easy to keep a straight line. I?ll try to post a video


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 01, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
https://youtu.be/DZ3Bw8G2qUk
It cuts faster. I was having a hard time holding the board down with my foot and the phone with one hand and the shears with the other. It?s variable speed and easy to work. They have one that is for curves and you can easily cut round openings with it.

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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 01, 2017, 08:40:56 PM
Wow i have never seen them in action. Looks like they will work great. Anything to keep that dust down is a huge plus. Hitachi makes great guns and compressors. I have had great luck with them.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 01, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
Started working on the deck today and ordered the rest of the eave trim and r panel for the porch. Here?s where I left it today. Hope to get the porch deck finished and the roof mostly done over the porch. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171202/0654e99f186379d5675290469d94a7fc.jpg)


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Post by: JR on December 01, 2017, 09:04:51 PM
Looks good. Did you say you were going with a spiral staircase?
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Post by: KensAuto on December 01, 2017, 09:06:59 PM
I like those shears, just wonder how long they stay sharp.

My mother in law added on to her house, turning it into quite the place, and they used hardy...lots of it. She hand stained each piece (wood stain?) herself, and I tell you what, it looks absolutely great....almost like a log cabin-ish. Just thought I'd throw that out there..
..wish I had a pic to show you.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 01, 2017, 10:31:06 PM
Jared needs to start an intro line!


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What is that and where do you do it? I am usually here somewhere reading. Or over on the diesel forums watching the fighting and shaking my head. Just got done reading two other build threads here that were very interesting. This site has tons of good information and a great group of men.

Jared,
If this link works. Follow and you should be able to start an introduction from here

Tell us some history, your location, lay down some back ground and always remember to poke Don in the side anytime you can

Site Rules & Introductions
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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 01, 2017, 10:44:28 PM
JR yes, spiral stairs, which is why I needed the dormer.

Ken I think it will last a while.  The blade is pretty thick and a touch up with a file to keep the right angled edge would be about all I could see it needing at some point.

I only do construction. Wife will pick out the color, which may precipitate painting the main house to match if she picks a color different than what's on the main house....would like to see a picture of that stain tho
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 02, 2017, 06:28:56 PM
Got the deck done today. Simpson hangers and screws and 5/4x16 ft boards so there are no joints. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171202/9acfcb47744c6a7ee93eef705c469231.jpg)
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Post by: Sammconn on December 02, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
Aaannd...the deck is done.

Looking really good Charles.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 02, 2017, 07:24:43 PM
Thanks Sam. That was a nice caribou you took. The metal for the porch should be in next week. I have the stuff to deck it and just need to finish the soffit and overhang.  Going to use solar board on the porch some it won?t have spray foam insulation under it. 


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 03, 2017, 07:48:58 AM
Can't decide on whether I want to put railing on the porch.  I know code would say so, but I live code free in the woods.  I do need to lay out the stairs, but I have two small trees right in front of the stair placement to cut down.  By big Husvarna 372XP won't even sweat.  I may just use the old poulan 20inch box store special on it.

So the delivery of the shipping container is scheduled for tomorow.  I need to get up there later this evening so that I can drill holes and drive rebar in the ground through the rear most railroad tie to give the driver a place to set the back of the container.  Then I'll slip another one under the front as he drops it.  I'll lift the front of it with my high lift jack (rated 4600lb) and do final adjusting for the front and middle railroad ties.  Unfortunately I don't have enough tractor to lift it as it will be about a 4250lb one end lift.

Once I get it leveled I'll work on pressure washing inside and out and then painting the outside green to match the shop
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2017, 09:38:28 AM
Jared needs to start an intro line!


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What is that and where do you do it? I am usually here somewhere reading. Or over on the diesel forums watching the fighting and shaking my head. Just got done reading two other build threads here that were very interesting. This site has tons of good information and a great group of men.
OK, I did it for ya. This is your thread ($5 a month, but we'll discuss that in private ;-)
Use it to discuss and answer questions about construction information. Lead these boneheads with good advice and they will reward you with friendship and endless DOTing of your important information!

Here it is:

http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=3181.new#new
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2017, 09:44:30 AM
Jared needs to start an intro line!


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What is that and where do you do it? I am usually here somewhere reading. Or over on the diesel forums watching the fighting and shaking my head. Just got done reading two other build threads here that were very interesting. This site has tons of good information and a great group of men.

Jared,
If this link works. Follow and you should be able to start an introduction from here

Tell us some history, your location, lay down some back ground and always remember to poke Don in the side anytime you can

Site Rules & Introductions
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Bad advice!

You're banned for poor (No) use of discretion! And for spreadin' this DOT heresy! I'll not have it
(As if short of everyone's untimely demise it would evre cease!)

You should know better

I'll get around to removin' your credentials, password, and whatever else I have to do, in a bit, if I can remember to do so...Now, what was it I was about to do anyway?????
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2017, 09:45:50 AM
Oh, and you knuckleheads point Jared to his new thread and coach him along...Copy?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 03, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
Copy.


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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 03, 2017, 11:03:06 AM
Oh, and you knuckleheads point Jared to his new thread and coach him along...Copy?
If we have to

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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2017, 11:04:02 AM
 :likebutton:
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 04, 2017, 03:02:20 PM
Look what showed up today (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/fbee83646289ee3f54635783f7f2c875.jpg)


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Post by: KensAuto on December 04, 2017, 03:10:17 PM
Heck yeah....should be able to hold a few pounds of powder in that shed.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 04, 2017, 04:18:24 PM
Ok. This was a bit of drama because of all the trees but he finally got it in place. It?s got a railroad tie under each end and it?s actually level!
Here is the spot I picked out. Back behind the shop and tucked way in the trees.  Mama doesnt want to have to see it.
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Got spot leveled and measured so that the front will be even with the back of the shop.  Like things neat and orderly.  Drilled three holes and drove #8 rebar 4 ft into the ground so that when he sat the backend on the tie it didn't want to roll or move.
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Can't believe my 20V drill put a 1 inch auger bit through that RR tie.  I left my big 1/2 electric drill at the other house of course. But the little drill did well!
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Got the rear RR tie level and went to work on the front spot.
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Post by: stlaser on December 04, 2017, 04:27:32 PM
I figured you would have bought one in Red.... :tongue:
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Post by: wyorunner on December 04, 2017, 04:32:00 PM
How much did it run ya tex? That size out here is 4K ish delivered 60 miles.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 04, 2017, 05:00:44 PM
I figured you would have bought one in Red.... :tongue:



Ha!  This one needs to blend in.  It will get a green paint job and I may camo the far side with some brown in addition to the green
How much did it run ya tex? That size out here is 4K ish delivered 60 miles.

I bought the CWOinstead of the WWT (cargo worthy, instead of just a wind and water tight) the CWO is more but its usually in better shape cosmetically and structurally.  Delivered 140 miles from the Port of Houston was just under $4k.  Bought it from a broker online, called Western Container Sales.  Pretty smooth process.
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Post by: wyorunner on December 04, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
I figured you would have bought one in Red.... :tongue:



Ha!  This one needs to blend in.  It will get a green paint job and I may camo the far side with some brown in addition to the green
How much did it run ya tex? That size out here is 4K ish delivered 60 miles.

I bought the CWOinstead of the WWT (cargo worthy, instead of just a wind and water tight) the CWO is more but its usually in better shape cosmetically and structurally.  Delivered 140 miles from the Port of Houston was just under $4k.  Bought it from a broker online, called Western Container Sales.  Pretty smooth process.

Dang that's a pretty good price I feel. We got ours from a dealer in Tucson. So I guess it makes sense why they are cheaper there, direct from the port probably helped.

When our box was purchased we were told by the dealer it was a one tripper. It does appear that it is as close to brand new you can get. It was 3600 delivered. Neighbor bought two 40' one high cube the other regular, he paid over 4 for the first one and just under 4 for the second. Interesting to see none the less.

I will  enjoy watching it on paint and build in and on it.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 04, 2017, 05:08:43 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/d7a855ae47e2eb15e05c2ae1d96fc896.jpg)
used an old trick to level the front RR tie to the back

Here is a tight fit.  took him a few stabs to get it right.
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and here it sits
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Aaaaaaaannnnnnnd, it's level.....
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 04, 2017, 05:09:41 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/3be4ebb7a6ec6df454c18db0f0ea0aa7.jpg)

Starting to sketch out the inside and supplies list...
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 04, 2017, 06:22:41 PM
very nice
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Post by: JR on December 04, 2017, 06:46:58 PM
 :likebutton:

Thinking a HF airless spraygun would do great on that.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 04, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
WYO if you got a one tripper for that price, its a steal.  One trippers are closer to 6k here.

Shipping Container - 8'x40' High Cube / CWO (Next off stack) / Towards Cab of Truck (off last) for $2,990.00 each
Discounts : $-200.00 USD
Subtotal : $2,790.00 USD
TX State Tax : $213.44 USD
Dallas Municipal Tax : $68.30 USD
Shipping : $625.00 USD
Total : $3,696.74 USD

I got a discount code for two hondo just for asking.

JR, assuming I can get it back from my dad, I have a Titan commercial airless sprayer that should  work just fine.  Drop the pickup in a 5gal paint container and get busy.

I will do a build thread on it but there are a few tricks I plan on keeping to myself
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Post by: wyorunner on December 04, 2017, 10:47:43 PM
Tex mine is only a 20'... I left that out sorry. It was also given to us for some work we did for my neighbor. I was with him when he was looking at his 40 high cube, and some how or another, he said "well buy it for you, we had planned on paying you anyways" so of course I didn't say no. Was a good month of work.

We haven't done anything to it other than fill it with our stuff. Shelves would probably be a good thing.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 10, 2017, 05:27:52 PM
Well I?ve been fighting a monster cold and against my wife?s better judgement I was out there yesterday and today. I?ve now lost my voice and am wiped out. But I did get the porch framing finished and got it decked with polar shield. I chose solar sheild since the porch will not be insulated and I want as much relief from the sun as possible.

And of course I ran out of my roll of synthetic underlayment and will have to buy a whole new 1000 sq ft roll for about 150 sq ft

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Now I won?t admit she was right but as soon as I get home I?m taking a shower under the endless hot water and getting a nip of 129 proof


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Post by: JR on December 10, 2017, 11:12:28 PM
Looks good Charles. Hard to keep a good man down.

Think your porch is the size of my add on  :embarrassed:
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Post by: wyorunner on December 11, 2017, 12:16:06 AM
Eat raw garlic if you can stomach it. Seems to have always killed any bug I might catch, as I never stay sick long.

Equal parts ACV, lemon juice and raw honey with some hot water, helps heal a sore throats and fight the cold.

Eucalyptus oil on the bridge your nose will help clear it....if you have any. Obviously keep it out of your eyes, the fumes are bad enough. But it helps tremendously!


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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2017, 10:59:11 AM
Eat raw garlic if you can stomach it. Seems to have always killed any bug I might catch, as I never stay sick long.

Equal parts ACV, lemon juice and raw honey with some hot water, helps heal a sore throats and fight the cold.

Eucalyptus oil on the bridge your nose will help clear it....if you have any. Obviously keep it out of your eyes, the fumes are bad enough. But it helps tremendously!


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T- Maybe you should post that up in the Remedies thread in the med section...We do have a thread like that, don't we??

Edit: Found it:
http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=1360.0
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 16, 2017, 06:30:08 PM
Ok. Back at it today. Picked up my windows yesterday. Marvin Integrity Fiberglass single hung single light. 

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171216/93143b1a19184984f06f28e71691ebf1.jpg)

Started on finishing the roof today. Residential take and the ridge cap are the first order. Then I?ll tackle the windows before going back to finishing the eave flashing and closures.

Then I?ll install hardie in the gable above the porch before installing the metal roof on the porch

Here?s a neat gizmo to get on a steep roof

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 16, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
So those hooks mount on the ladder and have a wheel.  Push it up the roof on the wheel side and then flip it over and rest it on the hooks.   I taped 1" foam pipe insulation to protect the metal roof.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 16, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
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It started raining so I got one window in.  Just need to put the corner gaskets on it and then drop the head flap and tape the sides and top.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 16, 2017, 08:56:35 PM
Those ladder hooks work great. But, if you ever get in a bind take a page from our company safety manual and use the human ladder. You should see our section on power tools. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171217/3e476aa50c4eb7d78a55e91f75f13c48.jpg)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 16, 2017, 09:28:27 PM
That's nuts.

Plus I work alone.....kind of hard to do that.

Any recommendations on tool belts?  Mine broke after 15 years.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 16, 2017, 10:06:26 PM
I am PICKY about my tool belt. Mine usually die many times before they go into the fire. I just try everything on until i find one with pockets that i can deal with. I would like one of the leather tool vests they have out now but with a back injury that I had fixed i want to keep weight off my spine. Plus in Texas they are probably hot.
For me i need pockets that can be switched from holding framing tools to holding electrical tools. We handle most trades so versatility is key.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 16, 2017, 10:09:12 PM
If you work alone keep a cell phone on you at all times. I had a call from a guy that had missed his mark with a framing nailer and nailed his hand to a rafter. I had to go over and climb up and use a nail puller to get him free. If he had left his phone any place other than his pocket he would have been hanging there for hours.
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Post by: JR on December 16, 2017, 10:22:17 PM
I need a better one too, probably with shoulder straps. Won't stay on my waist  :facepalm:
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Post by: KensAuto on December 16, 2017, 10:53:12 PM
Yikes Jared, that's sounds terrifying.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 16, 2017, 11:19:49 PM
Yeah I keep my cell phone. Usually in case I falll to the ground from 20ft up so I can call 911, if I?m conscious. Today I was texting back and forth with Norm while on top of the roof.

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Post by: stlaser on December 16, 2017, 11:59:29 PM
He musta been text happy today......

I was hanging a light fixture in our mast bath while conversing with him about smokers.....
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 17, 2017, 07:41:14 AM
If you work alone keep a cell phone on you at all times. I had a call from a guy that had missed his mark with a framing nailer and nailed his hand to a rafter. I had to go over and climb up and use a nail puller to get him free. If he had left his phone any place other than his pocket he would have been hanging there for hours.
Sounds like he needed his claw hammer so he could get that nail out more than a cell phone.....rofl

and that's a big miss...
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Post by: OldKooT on December 17, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
I live with 5 women, sometimes I just need male conversation.

Besides I had your safety in mind guys, if you'd have fallen, I'd have txt'd my concern  :cool:
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 17, 2017, 10:05:33 AM
If i remember what he said i think he was crawling over the rafters with his hand on the trigger, a big no no, and he sort of bumped his hand with the gun. The older framing guns had real soft and easily compressed nose safeties. Just hold the trigger and brush it over a surface and a nail fires. Our newer guns have a better spring and a spiked tip so they are harder to fire.

When we have ceiling joists and rafters that are 16? oc it makes it hard to crawl around with a tool belt on. We usually install all the ceiling joists and then the ridge. Then the rafters all get cut. Then the only thing you need to install rafters is the nail gun. I work alone often. Things happen that are unexpected and it is good to be able to get help.
One morning i had to run to a few stores and the bank. When i got to the job all the roofers were sitting on the roof. Their boom lift they used to get on the roof had run out of fuel. They had been sitting there for hours with no way down. It was hot and they were all thirsty. Someone the night before had siphoned the diesel out and they did not know that until it was too late.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 17, 2017, 10:24:08 AM
I live with 5 women, sometimes I just need male conversation.

Besides I had your safety in mind guys, if you'd have fallen, I'd have txt'd my concern  :cool:
Understandable. And I feel your pain. I have 3


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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 17, 2017, 10:44:16 AM
I really like the green metal. When doing shingle roofing i use old foam couch cushions to keep from damaging the hot shingles. On metal roofing the same foam sticks to the metal. You can get on a steep roof and the foam grips like crazy. I try to plan my trips up steep metal roofing the day after rain so some of the dust is washed off. If i see a couch on the side of the road i stop and grab the cushions if they are foam. Just remove the slip covers. The foam is best when used in pairs. Jump or crawl from one to the other. On hot days it keeps you from getting burned and your shoes from melting and leaving rubber marks.
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Post by: OldKooT on December 17, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
I have a LOT of metal roofs on buildings so thanks for the tip. I usually end up on said roofs in the summer, I usually ruin my arm hairs and burn my self multiple times. Almost always drop my hammer somehow....and watch it slide 50' and wonder what it will land on.

The good news is, they are rusty *1920's era  So they have decent traction built in LoL  But your idea would sure save on the old knees.



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Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2017, 03:48:22 PM
I live with 5 women, sometimes I just need male conversation.

Besides I had your safety in mind guys, if you'd have fallen, I'd have txt'd my concern  :cool:
Understandable. And I feel your pain. I have 3


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Have three as well, no actually 4...Wifey...
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 17, 2017, 05:22:40 PM
Problem with mine is that it is 12/12.  Nothing short of a ladder and hooks will keep you from shooting down that slope at a high rate of speed....  finsihed the ridge caps today.  Now just need to flash the wall of the dormer where it meets the roof.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 17, 2017, 05:23:55 PM
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 17, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
Yup. Nothing sticks to a 12/12.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 17, 2017, 09:52:39 PM
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Here both end pieces are on and I?m reasybti install the ridge cap over the dormer.

Now my backside feels like I rode a horse alll day. Straddling the peak of a 12/12 roof to shoot screws in the ridge apparently is a trauma to the buttocks and groin area.


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Post by: stlaser on December 17, 2017, 09:54:09 PM
Looks very nice Charles!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2017, 10:02:11 PM
I can't even fathom working that 12/12

I metaled that 6/12 this past summer and that gave me sore legs for three days

Hat's off to ya!

Post two points in your RM bank account (Redeemable for a hardy handshake and a toothy smile ;-)

Oh, and consider yourself completely rehired!
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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 19, 2017, 06:26:28 PM
That's nuts.

Plus I work alone.....kind of hard to do that.

Any recommendations on tool belts?  Mine broke after 15 years.

Most of the carpenters around here that I can speak the same language as run Occidental bags. They look very very nice. Spendy, but will last ya forever.

I don't use a belt enough to justify spending that kind of money, so i use a CLC padded back support belt and shoulder straps, and replaced the CLC flimsy nylon bags with the more rigid Husky bags. It works for me.

This bag on the right: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-2-Pocket-Small-Framer-Pouch-with-Leather-GP-46667N14/205593560
I hate having my hammer in my middle back, i like how this one is on the side, but out away from your waist so it doesn't smack into your knees. There's others just like this one, but bigger too.

And a smaller bag for my left side (can't find it on HD website, but it's basically the same line, just pouches for nail strips, screws, torpedo level, chalk line, etc etc
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 19, 2017, 06:48:05 PM
I?m sure glad you didn?t weigh in last week Dawg. Those are some high dollar bags. I ended up with AWP ballistic nylon from Lowe?s. My only complaint is my framed had a custom set up he made with a Franken bag that allowed him to carry the  nailer behind him by using the hammer hook and a supplemental extra hook and the gun rested nicely on them both and he was able to climb well with it held in place. The awp is nice in that the location of the pouches are adjustable and held in place by a layer of Velcro between the padded belt and the belt.


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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 20, 2017, 08:09:33 AM
The nail gun hooks can be bought at HomeDepot and Lowes now. They are usually near the tool belts. They attach to the air inlet nipple. Many guns even have them built in. I have them on most of my guns so i can hook them to my belt or to a rafter or ceiling joist. Since i have been getting the hooks i have not seen a $400 gun come off from up high and fall onto the slab.
On another note i had a hammer hook once in the middle back. It was an awkward reach. I tried the hook in the middle front which did not last long.Those Occidental bags are good but expensive. I usually just pick mine up at Lowes or HomeDepot. They last a couple years but start to get holes. I am currently looking at new bags. I need a better drill holder solution. The key with bags is to be able to find a tool without looking. Also, the pockets must stay open. Two belts ago i had one which held my Springfield XD 40. The amount of dust that got on it though required a daily cleaning. I will Frankenstein my next belt to fit the 40 again. Going to look for a closed holster. Maybe something with a couple of snaps. 
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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 20, 2017, 11:58:53 AM
Do yourself a favor and order one of these to stick in your new bags. Absolutely love this thing

Morakniv Craftline Carpentry Chisel with Carbon Steel Blade, 3.0-Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T3ES1SC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_jAPoAbWB8TDR2



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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 21, 2017, 10:24:48 PM
Kyle what do you use it for?

Today I was supposed to work on writing performance reviews for my direct reports,but with rain coming tomorrow I wanted to get windows in.  I got 6 of 8 in, including one of the 4'0X5'0 windows, which was a bear to get in.

I'll work on performance reviews tomorrow while it rains and then when it clears on Saturday I'll finish the windows and the final small roof trim pieces and then roof the porch.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 21, 2017, 10:27:39 PM
The nail gun hooks can be bought at HomeDepot and Lowes now. They are usually near the tool belts. They attach to the air inlet nipple. Many guns even have them built in. I have them on most of my guns so i can hook them to my belt or to a rafter or ceiling joist. Since i have been getting the hooks i have not seen a $400 gun come off from up high and fall onto the slab.
On another note i had a hammer hook once in the middle back. It was an awkward reach. I tried the hook in the middle front which did not last long.Those Occidental bags are good but expensive. I usually just pick mine up at Lowes or HomeDepot. They last a couple years but start to get holes. I am currently looking at new bags. I need a better drill holder solution. The key with bags is to be able to find a tool without looking. Also, the pockets must stay open. Two belts ago i had one which held my Springfield XD 40. The amount of dust that got on it though required a daily cleaning. I will Frankenstein my next belt to fit the 40 again. Going to look for a closed holster. Maybe something with a couple of snaps. 


Oddly enough Lowes did not have them but HD did.  My brand new coil nailer slid down the roof and onto the ground. Fortunately no damage but I need to hang it from something other than the bag.
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Post by: JR on December 21, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
My 2 coil nailers have rubber bumpers so they don't slide.

I got one of those chisels some time ago. Does about anything but is finicky to get the sheath to stay put. Sharp as heck.
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Post by: rpar86 on December 22, 2017, 02:10:00 AM


Kyle what do you use it for?


I think it's used for cutting wood. Often referred to as 'chiseling'.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 22, 2017, 04:56:44 PM
Doh!

Well got all the windows in and flashed. Tidied up the job site a bit and swept out the house now that it?s closed up save the front door. Will be getting on that quick. Supposed to rain and if it does I?ll work in the shop to clean and organize all my tools before getting back at it. Need to put purlins on the porch and then install the metal roof and trim. Then on to hardie siding and trim.

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 22, 2017, 05:00:35 PM
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Oh. And my thumb is throbbing.  Got lazy and held a nail with thumbnail facing up.  28 oz framing hammer go boom. Redneck go squeal like a pig


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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 22, 2017, 06:30:06 PM
I like those hooks holding your walking planks to the extension ladders. What brand are they and where can I get a set?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 22, 2017, 06:53:51 PM
Werner brand from Lowe?s. They make two versions. One wider than others. These are the narrower ones.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 22, 2017, 06:55:34 PM
https://m.lowes.com/pd/Werner-Jack-for-Ladders-Or-Scaffolds/1000122497


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 22, 2017, 07:03:29 PM
One thing I didn?t mention was that in order to get the slope to the sills I took my saws all and cut a small wedge out of the jack stud and then shimmed up the sill. Wish I?d have planned it when I framed but it worked out well this way. Had about 3/16 slope when done. I was really happy the sills were all spot on left to right and required no extra shims.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 22, 2017, 07:32:10 PM
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2017, 07:49:49 PM
Amazing how much a smashed finger/thumb can hurt
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 22, 2017, 09:00:11 PM
Not many things more fun than smashing a digit with a fresh waffle hammer.


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Post by: KensAuto on December 23, 2017, 11:41:43 AM
I hope you don't get tired of me posting"it looks great" because you might hear it a few more times before you're finished.

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Post by: cudakidd53 on December 23, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
X2 ^^^^
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 03:45:51 PM
Thanks gents.  Working on the metal roof for the porch.  Got purlins up and attaching hardie facia so I can get the overhang right.  The porch will be the only part of the house with a gutter on it. Pics later.


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Post by: cruizng on December 23, 2017, 05:06:50 PM
Honestly what amazes me the most is that you have done almost all of it by yourself. Great work.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 06:27:34 PM
One learns to be creative when working by oneself

Here is the porch roof. Two inch overhang. Ran a string to keep it straight.

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And I picked up these nifty shear attachments today.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 06:29:17 PM
And now I won?t say that I forgot the butyl tape between panels until halfway through and had to go back and undo and lift the edge of each panel and out the tape down.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 06:35:11 PM
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 06:40:10 PM
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Post by: KensAuto on December 23, 2017, 09:47:14 PM
You have to seal between panels? I thought they just overlapped..?..
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 10:08:37 PM
They do Ken. However. Best practice is a line of butyl tape along the top of the panel that gets overlapped. It would have to be some hard wind driven rain to get through but on a low slopes roof I didn?t want to take any chances.


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Post by: KensAuto on December 23, 2017, 10:16:34 PM
Oh, on the top. I was thinking sides.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 23, 2017, 10:44:33 PM
It goes on every lapping seam on the sheet getting lapped. The tape is used on metal that does not have a second ridge with a channel contained within the ridge. It stops capillary action which could draw water over the ridge high point and into the metal and roof deck surface. Butyl tape or seam tape is not used on sheets that have an inner channel. Some types that do not require butyl tape are five v, rain guard, or channel drain.
With low pitch areas r panel or u panel are best because the ridges stand higher giving you more depth for water to stack before it leaks. The taller the panel ridges the lower the pitch can be.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 11:29:24 PM
like this
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Post by: KensAuto on December 23, 2017, 11:46:40 PM
Well heck, you are talking about the sides also. Never did it that way before...sure glad it don't rain much out here.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 23, 2017, 11:49:39 PM
It would have to be a low slope and some torrential wind driven rain, but hey they call for it so I'm gonna do it.
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Post by: stlaser on December 24, 2017, 12:08:29 AM
I like the look of the shear attachment, how well did it work?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 24, 2017, 08:35:29 AM
I like the look of the shear attachment, how well did it work?
Worked well. Worth the $60


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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 24, 2017, 08:48:26 AM
Where the image above shows the tape it also seals the screw hole that is made between the metal sheets. If the butyl tape is put on the other edge the seam is sealed but the screw hole will leak.
The tape is a pain to use when doing the metal on your own as it will stick each piece together pretty good before you have a chance to adjust the panel. This is worsened with warm tape and hot panels.
I never understood why you needed tape until last year. It was shown to me that with the little lap, on r and u panel, and no center channel within the lap that wind can blow water up slightly into the seam. The wet has a propensity to roll back and slightly up anyway. Then capillary action continues the pull of water into the dry side. 
I have always had issues with valleys and wind. Around here we have straight line winds and storms with 60 mph gusts which are not uncommon. On my home we just finished the roof a few months ago. They now have expanding foam in rolls that will seal a valley. The material compresses to 1/16? and expands to 1?. Seals up the valley real nice. Years ago we always tried flashing and butyl tape and np1 with mixed results. I also used this expanding foam anywhere that had a gap that needed to be filled before flashing was bend to cover the opening.
Your outer edge looks great. Too many times people let it saw tooth. Yours is perfect. The fact you did that solo is very impressive with tape. Looks great.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 24, 2017, 08:54:35 AM
Thanks Jared.  You have a link to that foam stuff?

A trick to working with the tape is to leave the wax paper on it until the panel is in place and then put a screw in the panel to hold it in place and slightly lift the edge and pull the paper strip off.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 24, 2017, 09:44:47 AM
Yes, that is how i do it but i will admit it took a few jobs before i started doing that. Let me see if i can find a link to what i use. I bought it at Montopolis supply in Austin TX.
Montopolis is a great company. It is in the center of Austin and heads explode while there. It is an old school company that has been there for decades. It has been swallowed by ultra liberal Austin. There is not a single wall without a sign with a religious saying or scripture quote. Even their receipts contain scripture quotes along with book chapter and verse. People have tried to get these items removed siting offense. They refused. Awesome. I will get some photos of what is left of mine.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on December 24, 2017, 11:11:42 AM
Here is the expanding foam i used. It is for valleys since no closure can be cost effective to manufacture for each metal type and valley pitch. The pitch changes the length and angle of the closure.
I also use it any place that needed a closure that did not match the profiles i bought. Worked well. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171224/1e84e57757e7313d3631a8599facbb13.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171224/460bfb5fd0512a64dc8fb2be8c624fc5.jpg)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 24, 2017, 08:54:39 PM
Very cool. I might need to check that out. 

Today was a slow day. Bible study and I drove get a couple of rolls of butyl tape and installed flashing on the dormer walls and the porch. Finished the facia around the porch. Have to get some more outside closures.




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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 26, 2017, 08:24:02 AM
Kyle what do you use it for?


Sharpening pencils, opening boxes, cleaning out notches, cutting off splinters, etc etc. it?s sharp as hell, but also has the strength of a chisel


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Post by: Flyin6 on December 26, 2017, 09:57:40 AM
Kyle what do you use it for?


Sharpening pencils, opening boxes, cleaning out notches, cutting off splinters, etc etc. it?s sharp as hell, but also has the strength of a chisel


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When I read your post, I looked up that knife thing and immediately went and ordered it.
I bought a new framing belt and just placed it in there. Question: Seems light to me, can you pound on the handle end to use like a chisel? Strong enough? Remember who it is you're talking with...Carrep...
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Post by: stlaser on December 26, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
Don, hammer of 2 ounces or less (thinking the ones that come in those cheapo women household type tool kits) in your case & you should be ok as long as you don?t leave I laying on ground & run over it. Don?t paint it tan & orange either as you?re apparently attracted to that color.

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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 26, 2017, 11:15:23 AM
Kyle what do you use it for?


Sharpening pencils, opening boxes, cleaning out notches, cutting off splinters, etc etc. it?s sharp as hell, but also has the strength of a chisel


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When I read your post, I looked up that knife thing and immediately went and ordered it.
I bought a new framing belt and just placed it in there. Question: Seems light to me, can you pound on the handle end to use like a chisel? Strong enough? Remember who it is you're talking with...Carrep...
I have yeah, its so sharp you won?t need to pound hard. You won?t want to pound and pry like you would a heavy chisel, but it?s a pretty well made little tool. You?ll see, it?s extremely sharp


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 26, 2017, 03:49:40 PM
I?m the cart on amazon.  Today I made another of what seems like endless trips to the metal building supply.  Bought outer and inner closures and some more screws and then a drip edge for the porch and more
Residential rake as I mis measured by 4 inches. Failing to account for overhang and trim at the rear. I could have pieced it together but I?d always know I screwed up every time I look at it.  So I ordered two new pieces. $30 mistake so it?s not the end of the world


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 06, 2018, 07:07:40 AM
So got the additional metal pieces and got them installed on the porch.  Aside from a few small trim pieces that I'll need to install after the hardie goes up, I'm done with the roof.

Windows are in and I started foaming the gaps,  On the recommendation of a builder, I went to a place in Houston called the Door Clearance Center.  So busy its a zoo but good deals.  Probably saved $400 on two doors.

Got a pre hung fiberglass door and ordered a matching slab door so that I can replace the door on the main house to match the Casita.

door installed and ripped a shim for the strike side of the jamb that gives me a solid piece of wood shim between frame and studwall.  Will get a heavy duty striker plate and anchor 4-6 long screws in it.

Took the trailer back and put all new tires on it getting ready for a 4900lb load of hardie plank, which I ordered.  Hope to pick that up next week and get started on hardie.  Got my coil nailer ready and a case of nails, will see how I like that brand before getting some more.

Having trouble getting my 2 1/2 inch finish nailer running.  got some replacement seals but still having trouble.  If it won't run I'll probably just buy another one for the trim.

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Post by: stlaser on January 06, 2018, 10:48:23 AM
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Looking good, how many years until retirement?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 06, 2018, 11:19:25 AM
who really knows, Shawn.  I have 2 girls, 12 and 14.  I may never see retirement.  My hope is 10-12 years, but retirement for me would just mean doing something different.  Small business or something until they kick dirt on me.  I can't stand not to be doing something.
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Post by: stlaser on January 06, 2018, 12:11:53 PM
who really knows, Shawn.  I have 2 girls, 12 and 14.  I may never see retirement.  My hope is 10-12 years, but retirement for me would just mean doing something different.  Small business or something until they kick dirt on me.  I can't stand not to be doing something.

I understand, after move to CO (hippy land) I had to reinvent myself a bit. It?s been a slow pace (conservative & trying hard to crawl before I walk to manage savings & investments) as it?s a whole different world here & how things work comparably. I am the same way though & will be doing something until I am no more. The slower pace has been a nice break & I see things picking up so trying to manage that as I don?t need nor want 18 hour days ever again.
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Post by: JR on January 06, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
Place looks great!

Being retired is nice. Got all my wife's perks for now and seem to have no free time unless I really just sit. That is never long as you start add ons and suburban projects.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 14, 2018, 07:46:28 AM
So yesterday I started tackling the hardie plank.

Last week I put 4 new tires on the trailer.  Got rid of the chinese paper thin junk and picked up 4 goodyear endurance "merica" made tires with road hazard certs at discount.  I feel much better about towing that thing around with decent tires on it. 
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I wanted to buy from my local lumber yard where I had been buying all my big lumber purchases, but they just couldnt get within $300 of the box stores.  Interesting that the box stores where identical in price (to the penny) on hardi plank and the prices varied from the stores in Houston to the stores in the Piney Woods of East Texas with Houston prices being cheaper.  So before work on Friday I went to Lowe's and placed the order with the contractor desk and picked it up about 1:30.  They don't carry the Hardie Shingle, interestingly enough, so I will have to get that elsewhere.  The plan is to have a little architectural interest and transition to the shingle panels on the dormer above the main roof line. (bonus: those shingle panels are 48 inches and easier to handle, me thinks)
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So I really need to get some trailer brakes put on the trailer.  With 4500 lbs of weight on the trailer I was not confident towing that in rush hour traffic with the OBS truck and their mediocre brakes, not to mention my hydroboost is leaking and probably not working as well as it should.  Add that to the list of innumerable things I need to get to.


Yesterday, I stared at the building and the pile of Hardie for what seemed like an eternity....or about a cup of coffee worth anyway.....

then I stared at it some more and realized to eat the elephant, you must take the first bite.  The big side with windows and the dormer is the most critical since the roof transition needs to be flashed with the hardie and I want to make sure its 100% right.  Since its the hardest, as we like to say, eat the frog.  Do the hard part first and the rest will be easy..

The foundation is 3 1/2x11 7/8 glue lam and to minimize the visual height, since the walls are already 12 ft, I clad the base in smooth 12 inch hardie soffit and will paint it dark brown to give the illusion of a foundation and break up the expanse of hardie.  Since the tyvek runs all the way down I caulked the bottom of the tyvek to seal it then attached the hardie.

The sheathing is 15/32 plywood so it hangs out over the foundation by that much and because I want the hardie to completely cover the gap between the subfloor and the hardie soffit on the foundation, I needed to double the kickout course at the bottom.  Since the planks are designed to overlap at an angle,the bottom course has to have a small ledger piece ripped to keep the angle on the bottom piece.  because of the sheathing and because I was over lapping the siding to the foundation, I was attaching the kickout ledger strip on the soffit piece on the foundation which was already recessed 1/2 from the sheathing surface, so I had to double it up to get the correct angle.

Then I pre built the corners of 3.5 inch trim by fastening them together with 2 inch 16ga finish nails then attached them to the building with 2 1/2 inch 16 ga finish nails.  this assures perfect alignment of the corner pieces.

Then starting at the bottom I broke the first course halfway (24 ft building and pieces are 12 ft) and then staggered the joints in a pattern of stud wall spacing.  0,4,7,2 so that the joints were somewhat random and not just a stair step.

Then came framing the windows.  It took some figuring but because of the way the frame of the window sits I can't put the hardie completely flush with the frame so I'll have about 3/16 to caulk.  Even then, because of the flange and flashing, I learned (by having to go back and shim after the fact) that I needed to shim the vertical pieces so they sit flat.  Fortunately I had a bunch of composite shims left and simply shimmed out until the pieces were parallel with the wall and hit them with the nailer. 

So between all the figuring and remembering how to get started, and rebuilding the porter cable finish nailer, and re-stringing my chalk box, it was probably 10am before I started hanging planks.

Bought these gecko gauges which really make working alone a lot easier and keeps the courses much more accurate.  Well worth every penny I paid for them.  They are adjustable to set the reveal anywhere between 4 and 8 inches and hold the plank in place so you can use both hands to adjust and nail as needed.

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Interesting, as much as I liked the shears, I'm still trying to figure out the accuracy of them, so I find myself going back to the saw, but having to put on the face mask filter is a pain.

So fairly drama free day despite being at or below freezing most of the morning I did this to my thumb trying to catch my falling 28ft ladder (did I mention that those class IA fiberglass ladders are heavy?).  Must of hit it on one of the square edged brackets, but it tore off skin and part of the nail.
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In the winter, this side of the casita doesn't see any sun, so it was like working on the dark side of the moon.  With a 5mph breeze and no sun it was a bit chilly all day. 

So here is where I left it and I look forward to getting back at it today.  Will probably get to the eave and then start  working on the porch/front until I can get the hardie shingle for the dormer.....

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Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2018, 09:53:16 AM
Looking good Charles! :likebutton:
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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 14, 2018, 10:07:36 AM
I have always had the same issue you are having with your windows sticking out further than the trim if i understand you correctly. On my next project i think i will mill some trex to build the window trim out 3/16?-1/4? beyond the window rather than being that amount subflush.
If i remember correctly you have vinyl windows. Those usually have a return which will allow the trim and window to be sealed whereas aluminum window have no return so you end up with a void that is troublesome to seal. I have tried doubling up hardi but my nailers will not get a nail through 1 1/2? hardi. Plywood would be easy but would rot unless sealed well. I think trex or composite deck material would work and be millable.
Your project is looking great.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 14, 2018, 10:27:05 AM
Thanks guys. That?s a good idea Jared. I have fiberglass extruded windows in this project. So far I?m pleased with them.

Yeah so say a 3 inch piece of trex milled to about 1/2 inch would recess the window about 1/4 inch. Then I could cheat the hardie over to butt right up against the window. Next
Build ....if there ever is one.  Lol.


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Post by: nmeyer414 on January 14, 2018, 10:30:09 AM
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 14, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
Today I learned that things slow way down when you get further off the ground.  Didn?t get started until after bible study and breakfast so got in about 5 hours worth.

Got too dark to take a final photo but finished the side up to the last course before it will transition to the hardie shake shingle in the dormer. Tomorrow I?ll start on the front under the porch.

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Will have to rip some jamb extensions for the door, trim the windows and door and then get rocking. 


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Post by: JR on January 14, 2018, 09:01:56 PM
I kinda liked the LOWES siding,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 16, 2018, 03:27:07 PM
So, Monday, we were off for MLK day.  I got started by ripping some wood for jamb extensions and then attaching them to the frame with biscuits glue and screws.  Now I have to figure out the sill extension but I can get to that later.

Then I started trimming the windows and door with hardie.  Based on my experience with the windows on the other side and some good advice from Jared, I started trying to figure out how to get better fittment of the hardie next to the windows, especially since the porch is the workmanship I'll have to look at most I wanted it to be right.

So I found that the hardie siding was really really close to being able to shim the trim out to the right depth so I ripped from siding 3 inch wide which allowed space for the protrusion of the window and flashing and allowed me to get the hardie right up to the frame and even recess the window in the trim about an 1/8 of an inch.  I still had to use the slightest of composite shim but it turned out really well.  I have 4 more windows to go  and 3 of them are high off the ground so there's that....
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Once I got the trim put on the door and two front windows I had to stop and make a 3 hour trip to the pool guy again.....we were having some communication problems with the square footage of the decking and needed to work it out in person.

So with that said, it looks like I'm about to bury a brand new L5P Duramax in the yard...... 

Only thing left is to see if I can work him down on the cost to add a 14x24 slab for the outdoor kitchen while they are at it.

Oh well, I'll just smile and write the check and watch the family be happy.....

So its probably not productive to think about all the things I could do with with that money.....

turn-key 50x80 shop building....
Couple of nice pieces of hydraulic machinery....
3 pre 86 full auto NFA items....
but I digress.....

So I got back from the pool detour and had about 1 hour of daylight left and I was able to get most of the hardie up on the left side of the door and had to stop and pick up all my tools.  My AO there looked like the Red Dog had gotten into my shop and strewn my tools from one end of the yard to the other....  My shop is a disorganized mess and it drives my OCD crazy.....

I may run a crew next weekend to get the other two sides of the building finished quickly.  I need to get this thing done so I can start on the shipping container project which needs to be foamed with insulation at the same time.  Depends on whether the crew leader is hung over or not I suppose......  Weekend work for those guys is beer and girlfriend money....
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Post by: cruizng on January 16, 2018, 04:38:29 PM
Truer words never spoken! "Oh well, I'll just smile and write the check and watch the family be happy....."  :popcorn:
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Post by: JR on January 16, 2018, 05:47:04 PM
Amazing what we give into to keep the family happy. I must say though, I love my pool too.

Hows the thumb?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 16, 2018, 06:15:41 PM
Thumb is fine unless I touch it.  Having trouble buttoning shirts and pants.  Almost made me pee myself yesterday as I held it too long and was having trouble getting my jeans unbuttoned.....

I probably ought to disinfect it, put some triple A on it and cover it, but I'm lazy

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Post by: stlaser on January 16, 2018, 08:36:38 PM
Accidentally spill a little whiskey on it & you?ll be fine!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 16, 2018, 08:55:57 PM
Hmm. I like the way you think. Perhaps I can hold my whiskey with my left hand and just let the thumb soak In the glass


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Post by: nmeyer414 on January 16, 2018, 09:41:39 PM
Shame on you trn!!!!!!!

Your thumb should get its own glass for all the pain and suffering you just it through. .....why does it have to share with you......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 17, 2018, 01:32:22 AM
Ol  framing joke. See who gets it. Soak it in cider  lol


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Post by: KensAuto on January 17, 2018, 08:35:58 AM
Dave, I think framers and mechanics have similar brains. :embarrassed

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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 17, 2018, 01:46:19 PM
Dave, I think framers and mechanics have similar brains. :embarrassed

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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 17, 2018, 08:26:20 PM
That is what spelling phonetically will get you. Fonetikaly? If you still do not get it read it out loud to your wife. Thats what i did lol.
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Post by: KensAuto on January 17, 2018, 09:08:10 PM
Well Mr Dave, there has to be a line drawn somewhere!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 17, 2018, 09:18:34 PM
I aint touching that with a ten foot pole.  I am however excited that the temps will get into the 60s this weekend so I hope to get more hardi hung.  Although the chance of rain is high.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 17, 2018, 10:38:22 PM
That is what spelling phonetically will get you. Fonetikaly? If you still do not get it read it out loud to your wife. Thats what i did lol.
I hope you didn?t get smacked on my part


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 19, 2018, 06:38:10 AM
OK guys, serious moment, you knuckleheads... (I'm starting to sound like Don.....:-0 )

So I successfully negotiated my being robbed  by a pool contractor....which means that I will also be pouring a slab for an outdoor kitchen..(gotta up my game to keep up with Nate)

Its going to be 14x24 with a roof structure over it.  I'd like to use the same wax treated 4x6 posts to match the porch on the main house and the castia. 

My concern is how to attach the posts to the slab so that the roof is stable.  I'm convinced that surface mounting the posts will lead to a rickety structure.  there will be 6 posts. 

While I could use 45 degree braces on each side of each post at the top it would clash as none of the other structures have that on the posts.

Is there a way to attach posts to concrete in a more solid fashion?

Or should I sink the posts in the ground prior to the pour?

The structure will be typical shed type roof with hardie soffit, metal roof, etc, so there will be some mass to it.

Looking for some advice and experience.  ........

Where's Jared?
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 19, 2018, 06:50:28 AM
Links to follow of what I would look at

https://www.strongtie.com/standoffcolumnbases_columnbases/cbs-cbsq_productgroup_wcc/p/cbs.cbsq

https://embed.widencdn.net/pdf/plus/ssttoolbox/worqn198p0/Deck-Details-11x17.pdf

This website has some pretty sweet options that can help ya in the right direction



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Post by: cruizng on January 19, 2018, 07:58:54 AM
OK guys, serious moment, you knuckleheads... (I'm starting to sound like Don.....:-0 )

So I successfully negotiated my being robbed  by a pool contractor....which means that I will also be pouring a slab for an outdoor kitchen..(gotta up my game to keep up with Nate)

Its going to be 14x24 with a roof structure over it.  I'd like to use the same wax treated 4x6 posts to match the porch on the main house and the castia. 

My concern is how to attach the posts to the slab so that the roof is stable.  I'm convinced that surface mounting the posts will lead to a rickety structure.  there will be 6 posts. 

While I could use 45 degree braces on each side of each post at the top it would clash as none of the other structures have that on the posts.

Is there a way to attach posts to concrete in a more solid fashion?

Or should I sink the posts in the ground prior to the pour?

The structure will be typical shed type roof with hardie soffit, metal roof, etc, so there will be some mass to it.

Looking for some advice and experience.  ........

Where's Jared?

My vote would be to sink the post in ground prior to pour. Similar to pole barn structure. I used plates on top of concrete when I built a large pergola in Texas and it still wiggled more than I liked. I ended up attaching it to the house.

Good luck. Great progress on your hide.  :beercheers:
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Post by: Bear9350 on January 19, 2018, 08:05:20 AM
My experience with pole building types in northern WI.  Sink them about 4 ft in the ground.  Back fill with dirt only.  The 4 ft level here is an approximate.  That is about how deep the frost goes in most places.
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Post by: stlaser on January 19, 2018, 08:56:52 AM
My experience with pole building types in northern WI.  Sink them about 4 ft in the ground.  Back fill with dirt only.  The 4 ft level here is an approximate.  That is about how deep the frost goes in most places.

It was 36-40 in NE IN, here in Colorado it?s 30? although after building my shed which sits on 4 posts if I had to do it again I would go deeper. Maybe it?s soil type as we had heavy clay in IN but this sandy clay mix doesn?t seem as stable & we have bentonite in the soil which is notoriously unstable. I might auger those posts in Tex & throw a round patio stepping stone in bottom of each to help spread the trash load.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 19, 2018, 09:29:10 AM
If you are using the posts i think you are burying them in the dirt and concreting around them will remove any movement and also take the need for using braces on the corners away for a year or two. Then the posts will be either rotted or termite infested and will need to be redone. When we get into free standing structures we go to 4x4 steel posts galvanized and buried in a hole filled with concrete. Or we use imbeds and weld the post to the imbed.
You can do imbeds and attach wooden posts to them but no matter what there will be a pivot point there. Depending on the amount of air push and lift that roof has it could be substantial movement. If it were my structure with my family underneath it i would do at least one of these things.
1) corner braces on wood or iron posts.
2) cement in galvanized posts and have a plate at the top of the post that wraps around the beam and is structurally screwed to the beam removing movement and the ability to lift.
3) Wall in two sides of the structure and internally reinforce the roof structure to stop any side to side movement.
4) Anchor it to an existing structure.
It is nice to match existing structures but it is more important to ensure a structure is stable. The posts can be rocked around and used as a feature that matches some existing rock on the pool or in the yard to keep a theme going. I have been lucky to never have a structure come down. In my part of Central Texas it is common to get straight line winds. I have been on ranches and seen structures that are not braced and anchored properly simply get ripped from the ground and tossed into a pasture. What is more common is less wind that induces sway and the roof being heavy pivots the posts and lays over. If the corner braces are not proper it can snap the post right below the brace.
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Post by: nmeyer414 on January 19, 2018, 09:37:42 AM
OK guys, serious moment, you knuckleheads... (I'm starting to sound like Don.....:-0 )

So I successfully negotiated my being robbed  by a pool contractor....which means that I will also be pouring a slab for an outdoor kitchen..(gotta up my game to keep up with Nate)

Its going to be 14x24 with a roof structure over it.  I'd like to use the same wax treated 4x6 posts to match the porch on the main house and the castia. 

My concern is how to attach the posts to the slab so that the roof is stable.  I'm convinced that surface mounting the posts will lead to a rickety structure.  there will be 6 posts. 

While I could use 45 degree braces on each side of each post at the top it would clash as none of the other structures have that on the posts.

Is there a way to attach posts to concrete in a more solid fashion?

Or should I sink the posts in the ground prior to the pour?

The structure will be typical shed type roof with hardie soffit, metal roof, etc, so there will be some mass to it.

Looking for some advice and experience.  ........

Where's Jared?

hey now, I am just trying to keep folks from getting complacent.

check out this thread.....its a bit long but dang if there isnt some great ideas here.

www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108239

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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 19, 2018, 09:46:16 AM
Here is a free standing carport we did behind a custom home. We went around and around with the engineer and homeowner on this one. They wanted heavy timber with no braces. Minimalist. We declined to build it without bracing. It is properly built and braced. It is VERY top heavy. All the internals are cedar beam. It moved in every direction 4?-6? even with the corner braces. I have it pinned to an old cedar so the roofers could go up top and be safe. Before we left we also used 1/4? plate on every single joint with through bolts. That is when we removed the tree brace. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180119/634ab564cb062217e71085704db733e3.jpg)The plates helped stiffen it up and it is still there today but i do not think it would stand without corner braces. Without the plates and through bolts the movement would have eventually worked the timber locks loose until it failed. Once high winds are factored in bracing is essential.
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Post by: JR on January 19, 2018, 11:40:33 AM
To keep it solid you would would have to bury the posts. I just used the above strong ties but doubt they would give you a solid structure.

Now an idea is to sink a round galv pole sticking up a couple ft. Bore the matching posts and slide over the poles. You get a solid mount with matching posts
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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 19, 2018, 11:55:59 AM
JR might be onto something. Some of the 6X6 turned posts already have a square hollow core. Maybe you can find some square tubing that fits inside without drilling and compromising the post. If you do use pipe use heavy pipe. Like rigid electrical conduit pipe or drilling pipe. The thinner fencing pipe used on corners is good with compression to a point. But, if there is a side load that causes any deformation of the wall they will bend real easy. Most posts are only strong when vertical. Induce sway and the post is no longer vertical. Also, on these covers the posts are exposed to more weather as wind blows rain into the structure. Even with good paint the expansion and contraction of the wood forms small cracks in the paint. These cracks absorb water into the post under the paint where it is harder to dry out. This increases the speed at which they rot. If you can find posts treated and rated for ground contact they will last longer. Much longer. The posts i am seeing on the market are treated with a wax type coating which makes them safe to use inside a dwelling. This coating is also used as a food preservatives and is safe and non toxic. But, outside they are not holding up well for extended time periods. 
Another thing worth mentioning is that turned posts with a hollow core get pretty thin where they are turned. The manufacturers are using (4) 2x6?s glued together with a hollow core then turning them to kick out these posts. I think the 6x6 posts are rated for @5500-6000 pounds each but only in compression.
Something else i learned the hard way is to always wrap wooden posts that are getting wrapped with rock really well. They need to be pre painted and wrapped in house wrap or tar paper or both. If not the rock absorbs water this water is transferred to the post and causes the post to swell. This swelling post expands and cracks the rock work which allows more water in and more swelling. 
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 19, 2018, 02:12:25 PM
In our soil here it is about four five years before anything treated or not rots out if buried in the soil


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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 19, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
 Or you could use metal poles buried in the ground anchored with concrete. Then you could build your wood post look around them 
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 19, 2018, 11:43:00 PM
OK, so something has to be in the ground.  I kind of like the idea of steel wrapped in treated wood to form a column.  I get some steel from the supply place which is 3/16 wall and 2 1/2 diameter pipe.  Would work well for this.  Just need to auger some holes and drop some concrete.  Other choice is to fence black the bottom of some treated 4x6 and bury in soil then pour concrete slab.  Best estimate is that it would take 10 years to rot, then I could redo the posts. 

Attaching to the other structures is not an option I think.  this ODK will sit at an 45 degree angle between two structures and the roof line is already complex
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Post by: KensAuto on January 20, 2018, 12:12:01 AM
Jared mentioned a square steel post in ground, with a heavy bracket on top to bolt the wood posts to. What about using a thick walled box, say 16" tall, anchored on, or in, the slab, with extra footings under those areas? Basically just a h/duty taller version of store bought versions? Or if you were lucky enough to find some square tubing with the inside diameter close to the dimensions of the timber?


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Post by: stlaser on January 20, 2018, 12:52:18 AM
Jared mentioned a square steel post in ground, with a heavy bracket on top to bolt the wood posts to. What about using a thick walled box, say 16" tall, anchored on, or in, the slab, with extra footings under those areas? Basically just a h/duty taller version of store bought versions? Or if you were lucky enough to find some square tubing with the inside diameter close to the dimensions of the timber?


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Ken has a legit idea here, wait did I just say that? :huh:

You could dig or auger footers where the columes go, toss in some rebar on the heavy side. Then use square tube or even drops of I-beam. Note: if you can find a structural fab shop they will have all sorts of i-beam drops in the 4?-6? range, check out scrap yards too. Weld a flange to the base or end of tube / I-beam and anchor into concrete. Build posts on or around them. Essentially the base is anchored well and then the upper & exterior is a fabricated wood post. Easy to replace when they rot out ten years down the road versus trying to dig up a wood post that was set in concrete.
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Post by: JR on January 20, 2018, 03:28:40 AM
I did that (galv post) on the corner of the fence where I have my TH. Sank it about 4' down, then built a square column around it. Solid as a rock about 200# of cement int there.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 20, 2018, 08:27:38 AM
Rather than bury a steel column why can I not bolt a steel flanged post to the slab??


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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 20, 2018, 08:29:00 AM
Having dug/extracted several rotten posts/concrete from my fence the last few summers, I HIGHLY recommend using some form of metal solution!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 20, 2018, 08:37:26 AM
Rather than bury a steel column why can I not bolt a steel flanged post to the slab??


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My uneducated guess would be that the stress/force is better spread across more of the beam and concrete instead of a small section of studs/bolts susceptible to flexing in high winds.  Think weak spot like your wrist versus your forearm.
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Post by: stlaser on January 20, 2018, 08:39:19 AM
Rather than bury a steel column why can I not bolt a steel flanged post to the slab??


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That?s what I was trying to convey

Ken has a legit idea here, wait did I just say that? :huh:

You could dig or auger footers where the columes go, toss in some rebar on the heavy side. Then use square tube or even drops of I-beam. Note: if you can find a structural fab shop they will have all sorts of i-beam drops in the 4?-6? range, check out scrap yards too. Weld a flange to the base or end of tube / I-beam and anchor into concrete. Build posts on or around them. Essentially the base is anchored well and then the upper & exterior is a fabricated wood post. Easy to replace when they rot out ten years down the road versus trying to dig up a wood post that was set in concrete.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 20, 2018, 09:52:57 AM
So with a minimal structure up top and 6 posts for a 12x22 structure, a beam all around the perimeter of the slab, I should be ok with an 8x8 flange bolted down and then make a cap out of treated for the flange and some 1X material around the square post.

Sorry Shawn, I missed that, but great minds think alike.

That will keep me from being detoured and rushed to sink some posts before the pool crew gets the hole in the ground and ready for the concrete deck crew.

I just need to make sure the beam they put in the slab is directly under the post locations.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 20, 2018, 09:55:33 AM
like this (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FbUJIdkiS9s/hqdefault.jpg)
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Post by: stlaser on January 20, 2018, 10:02:40 AM
Correct, move the holes out to the corners though....
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 20, 2018, 10:11:35 AM
exactly.  Probably used epoxy like I did connecting the beams to the concrete pillars on the casita.
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Post by: JR on January 20, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
That would save lots of work and the bigger the footprint the better.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 21, 2018, 07:21:05 AM
So got some more done on the hardie.  Rest of the corners assembled and installed.  Ripped hardie for the kick out on the first course on the remaining two sides and got the first course started.

Then sawed all the trim for the remaining windows and started trimming the windows.  Got the first floor 3x3 kitchen window and the dormer window done.  While I was on the dormer started working on the corner trim for the dormer and the final flashing/trim pieces for the metal roof where the roof intersects with the dormer.  Trim work is tedious and slow, so when the trim is all done the planks will go quickly.

Today will focus on the remaining roof flashing/trim on the dormer and more trim work and then some planks under the porch and on the front of the house.

Need to order the shake shingle hardie for the dormer but I will do that last since it involves getting back up on the 12/12 roof

Progress pics to come.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 21, 2018, 06:25:04 PM
Today, it seemed that I was making lots of mistakes.  ruined a few pieces of hardie but then got in a rythem.  Finished a few pieces of trim and then started on the gable end over the front porch.

Still have to finish the dormer and trim one last window on the back gable and then there's just planking the kitchen side and rear.

I had to stop on the underside of the porch until I get the soffit and hardi panel on the ceiling.  Those hardie panels are about 73 pounds so I need to figure out a way to hoist them up and hold them so I can nail them to the ceiling of porch.

So far so good.  Here is where I left it today

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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 21, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
Awfully nice looking guesthouse there Charles!
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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 21, 2018, 07:32:43 PM
Here are some tricks on the ceiling hardi. Use H vinyl. Before sliding the piece into the h vinyl take a grinder to the hardi and make sure it will fit in the h vinyl. Usually the ends are mushroomed from the factory and they will not go in, just buzz around the perimeter and clean it up. Grind as fast as you can walk around it is all it takes. A heat gun helps massage the plastics if needed. That ceiling hardi is horrible to do with less than two guys. It is very flexible and breaks easily and is expensive. A 2x4 cut to ceiling height with a flat 3-4? piece on the top can be used as a prop. It is almost impossible to do alone and have it look good. Without H vinyl the joints look wavy and the nails have a tendency to blow the edges out. Start with a chalk line for reference and mark it 4?1/2? from the beam or wall where you will be starting. If the first row is stair stepped the rest is more difficult.
Wish i was closer to your end of Texas. I would lend a hand.
Here is one i just did. Zoom in and you can see the h vinyl and how i staggered the joints. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180122/5f2eb65b3dc5d4ef58e98e995c5e5c72.jpg)
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Title: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Jared Herzog on January 21, 2018, 07:59:33 PM
Before starting mark every ceiling joist around the perimeter. These are hard to find when fighting the sheet. Then install your first piece. Nail 12? in from the edge and only nail the perimeter at the 8?-12? in from the edge making sure each nail is good. Do not nail the field. If it is deep it will pull through so add another fastener and adjust the guns depth driver. If it is shallow set it. Then before the next piece goes in install the h vinyl. Nailing 12? away from the edge will allow this piece to slide in. The h vinyl gets cut to about 4? and a notch is made in the part that is tucked up in the material. This will allow the perpendicular row to fit without hitting the 4? butt joint piece. Just keep going like this using the previous piece of h vinyl to help hold the next sheet. When you are done use a chalk line preferably white chalk or a non oil chalk and mark every joist row. This makes every fastener hit lumber and not blow a hole through the material. From here finish nailing the fields and also nail the edges.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 21, 2018, 08:18:50 PM
What do you mean H?


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 21, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
Heat transfer according to google. 

Why are we trying to transfer heat on the porch? Should we not be blocking or deflecting ?


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 21, 2018, 08:37:53 PM
Jared. Thanks.  H is the profile of the trim. It provides a support from one panel to the next. Hadn?t thought of that Jared.   I may call in some help.


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Jared Herzog on January 21, 2018, 09:08:46 PM
Yes, it is the profile. There are two different sizes. As far as i know it is the smaller of the two. The larger looks bad when installed as it hangs down. Just trim it with a razor knife and cut it with a circular saw. Do not cut it real cold this time of the year as it will crack. Warm it up if needed.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 21, 2018, 09:18:57 PM
Good thing is that at just under 8 ft Deep I only have the 3 seams as the 4 panels meet


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Post by: Dawg25385 on January 24, 2018, 01:31:38 AM
Dave, I think framers and mechanics have similar brains. :embarrassed

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Still waiting for big brother to come and delete it.   I noticed a bit ago a curse word gets deleted pretty fast


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 :popcorn:
There?s actually a word swap function that we use.... that?s why it seems weird when somebody says bullshoot lol


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 11:10:39 AM
Dave, I think framers and mechanics have similar brains. :embarrassed

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Still waiting for big brother to come and delete it.   I noticed a bit ago a curse word gets deleted pretty fast


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 :popcorn:
There?s actually a word swap function that we use.... that?s why it seems weird when somebody says bullshoot lol


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Kyle,

Feel free to change that all up if you want.

I created out "Bad-word List" and made the automatic substitutions. Wasn't giving it all that much thought, and frankly the feature was really only for Shawn ;-)) and one or two others, so do with it as you may
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Post by: BobbyB on January 24, 2018, 02:15:43 PM

I created out "Bad-word List" and made the automatic substitutions. Wasn't giving it all that much thought, and frankly the feature was really only for Shawn ;-)) and one or two others, so do with it as you may

Want me to REALLY test out that word swap feature?! It might decide to go AWOL...
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 25, 2018, 12:22:40 PM
crap


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 25, 2018, 12:23:16 PM
Sh$t is now crap.   I think if we could adjust this to my texting on my phone it could be a good thing. 


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Post by: Sammconn on January 25, 2018, 12:57:25 PM
Sh$t is now crap.   I think if we could adjust this to my texting on my phone it could be a good thing. 


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That's funny...and pretty dang accurate some days I'd suggest too... :beercheers:
And would likely be a pretty good idea.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 25, 2018, 03:56:40 PM
Not much car replace a well placed four letter word sometimes


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on January 25, 2018, 05:19:38 PM
So true, but some just might be a bit over the wall.
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Post by: rpar86 on January 25, 2018, 11:26:14 PM
They?re not cuss words, they?re sentence enhancers ;)


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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 26, 2018, 12:23:48 AM
Like racing strips on Honda?s? Just makes things sound better right?


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
They?re not cuss words, they?re sentence enhancers ;)


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Elsewhere, true!

Here: The reason you can no longer access the site ;-)))

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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: rpar86 on January 26, 2018, 09:20:46 PM
They?re not cuss words, they?re sentence enhancers ;)


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Elsewhere, true!

Here: The reason you can no longer access the site ;-)))

Hashtag: Banned

Well I certainly hope not! Enjoy all you knuckleheads too much! :D


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 26, 2018, 10:22:24 PM
They?re not cuss words, they?re sentence enhancers ;)


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Elsewhere, true!

Here: The reason you can no longer access the site ;-)))

Hashtag: Banned

Well I certainly hope not! Enjoy all you knuckleheads too much! :D


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Send me a pm and I?ll share my log in and we can have double trouble


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: rpar86 on January 26, 2018, 11:44:42 PM

Send me a pm and I?ll share my log in and we can have double trouble


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LOL... I don?t think that would work so well.


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: BobbyB on January 27, 2018, 07:41:54 AM
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So I've noticed something peculiar concerning Chief recently.

1. Acknowledged that he knows and listens(ed) to Beyonce songs.
2. Now wears an Apple smart watch, as opposed to a more sensible durable watch
3. Now uses the term "hashtag"
4. Trying to color-coordinate things down at the farm in colors other than OD green...

Something must be wrong.....
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Post by: stlaser on January 27, 2018, 08:10:53 AM
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So I've noticed something peculiar concerning Chief recently.

1. Acknowledged that he knows and listens(ed) to Beyonce songs.
2. Now wears an Apple smart watch, as opposed to a more sensible durable watch
3. Now uses the term "hashtag"
4. Trying to color-coordinate things down at the farm in colors other than OD green...

Something must be wrong.....

What?s your prognosis doc? :popcorn:

I just assumed it was pilut stuff, maybe Duane could give us his input too?
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 27, 2018, 08:11:06 AM
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So I've noticed something peculiar concerning Chief recently.

1. Acknowledged that he knows and listens(ed) to Beyonce songs.
2. Now wears an Apple smart watch, as opposed to a more sensible durable watch
3. Now uses the term "hashtag"
4. Trying to color-coordinate things down at the farm in colors other than OD green...

Something must be wrong.....

My theory is that this is the longest period of his life where he has been in the same place for multiple years in a row without the rigorous standards of the military over his head. He?s becoming re-domesticated. There?s also a few serious blows to the knoggin - most recently over the Dodge Demon incident that could have triggered a serious personality shift frequently associated with head trauma.

Serious
Oblivion to
Former self
Trauma

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: KensAuto on January 27, 2018, 09:20:44 AM
Boss wearing Apple watches and Nate driving Vdubs.... I wish there was something I could do. #Quitesadreally

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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 27, 2018, 09:53:18 AM
Has anyone looked this up in webMD?


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: nmeyer414 on January 27, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Boss wearing Apple watches and Nate driving Vdubs.... I wish there was something I could do. #Quitesadreally

Hey now, i still have the duramax!

Dont be hattin on the Fahrvergn?gen now, cause i am sure you would be glad to have one as well......
Title: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 27, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
Ok for the urgent purpose I used my best resources, I had the two year old tell me where they hurt as a relation to where don hurts
Eyes for the color coordination, wrist must be in pain from that watch and of course back pain from sitting in the chair in the basement while the boys do all the work and he writes poems about skid steer tractors

My findings
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Max and my guess is methanol poison
With all the painting he has been doing? The water leak from the Chevy and who knows what could have been given the boss when he was knocked out from that hellcat demon comment. 

Heaven only knows where the Apple watch thing came from.  Could it be some type of tracking system from cnn for all of dons politically charged coffee rants? Maybe someone from ?the other place? is trying to find out if #Square_D is finished?
How does the boss magically run over everything? Is this a trend.   

Should I look up or add to the WebMD list forgetful?


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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 27, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
It could be this also (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/8fac184166411903925ad8a63633d603.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/2336e25dcc0b3eb4384f8ff67097de6a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/ca7fdad6beaf5a7427cd1e46bb693314.jpg)

We could have a serious problem here men. 


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 27, 2018, 12:12:05 PM
Alright, DOT army, back at the casita this weekend. It?s rainy today so I?m working some electrical inside and on the porch. Got two gooseneck farm lights. One to go over the door and one over the window on the second floor. They?ll have those low watt Edison bulbs where you can see the elements.  Then the porch has two small can lights and some outlets in the ceiling.  Instead of ceiling fans I plan to get some wall mount oscillating fans that put out much more than ceiling fans. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/61e997ccd1002c766416682a84f23c54.jpg)
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on January 27, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
Those fans will make a good mosquito repellant, as well as helping  keep you comfortable after a hard day.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 27, 2018, 01:53:36 PM
Do your lights have a light sensor on them? So they turn off and on automatically when the sun is out


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2018, 04:47:50 PM
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So I've noticed something peculiar concerning Chief recently.

1. Acknowledged that he knows and listens(ed) to Beyonce songs.
2. Now wears an Apple smart watch, as opposed to a more sensible durable watch
3. Now uses the term "hashtag"
4. Trying to color-coordinate things down at the farm in colors other than OD green...

Something must be wrong.....

My theory is that this is the longest period of his life where he has been in the same place for multiple years in a row without the rigorous standards of the military over his head. He?s becoming re-domesticated. There?s also a few serious blows to the knoggin - most recently over the Dodge Demon incident that could have triggered a serious personality shift frequently associated with head trauma.

Serious
Oblivion to
Former self
Trauma

 :laugh:
First of all, I am obviously paying no attention to the Airborne SSGT...

Next, what the heck is wrong with a little color anyway??
Wife sez I need to get in touch with my feminine side! (Didn't know men had one!)

OK, as for being in the same place too long absence of incoming: Check! Its weird, I will admit

But I think that problem is about to fix itself.

And, there is nothing wrong with a little personality shift once in awhile

You people seem like a bunch of girls! Always noticin' how others are doing this or that!

Mind yer own bees wax, my daddy used to say. Not sure what that means, but he said it with authority, so it must apply

And, no I don't like the D__med watch. THing is either dead or malfunctioning. SO if any of you ever call, and I don't answer, the reason is about 40% I'm not movin' fast enough to get to my phone, and 60% because no matter how many buttons I push or how many times I do it, my tore up, hard as leather fingers can't make the tactile connection to actually answer the F__akin' call.

I can see how the well pedicured or manicured, or whatever procedure applies to girly-man hands can answer the phone, but the rest of we men cannot!

Rant over, CM...
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 27, 2018, 05:53:18 PM
Add denial to the webMD list


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: KensAuto on January 27, 2018, 05:57:11 PM
Bring down dat ban hammer!!!!!!!!!

This has to be the ultimate DOT thread, ever. Sorry for my (small) part in this cluster, Tex.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 27, 2018, 07:22:14 PM
Dave. I don?t plan on using photo cells. I don?t like to leave lights on for potential criminals when I?m not there.


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Post by: cruizng on January 27, 2018, 10:24:51 PM
Oh,  this was a build thread. lol


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Title: Re: Hide site, retirement site.
Post by: JR on January 28, 2018, 12:10:33 AM
What about motion and timers? I don't like dusk-dawn either.

Motions take you off guard, add a timer and a camera here and there and you have mug shots of trespassers/targets.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 28, 2018, 08:07:22 AM
Well I got 12 cans inside installed, the box for over the sink pendant light, most electrical boxes, the cans on the porch and electrical boxes in the ceiling of the porch.  Started stringing some 14/2 and bought the 100 amp panel but where I wanted the panel to go on the inside it wouldnt fit between the two studs.  So I'll be returning that and getting a panel for the outside.  No big deal, except that it's double the cost.  But then I'll put it closer to the front side corner so the amount of 3-3-3-5 cable will be about 12 foot less which will be about a wash since the cable is $5/ft.

JR I have a motion on the shop for when the wife arrives in the dark. She doesn't ever seem to have the flashlights I put in her car....

I may put a three way switch and run the traveller over to the porch on the main house or outdoor kitchen to allow for turning the lights on when moving from the house to the casita

Or I can have dusk/dawn led stair lights just to give enough light to see the steps in the dark.

We'll see.  I'm making this stuff up as I go
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 28, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
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Need to string more wire but it was too
Nice a day to be working inside. 

So I built stairs.  Tired of making that one 26 inch step to the porch. Gets old when you are going in and out and in and out. 

Once I get the cans wired I?ll probably run an extension cord to them so I can light them up and see better until I get the 100amp subpanel, water, and Ethernet run.




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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 28, 2018, 03:54:06 PM
Stair progress today. Did I mention I hate manual post hole diggers?

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Still have to do some railing. 

The brass stair gauges for my framing square worked like a charm.


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Post by: nmeyer414 on January 28, 2018, 04:33:45 PM
so are you going to use the pink roll fiberglass insulation or are you going to have it spray foam?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 28, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
The main house is spray foam. The casita and the shipping container will both be spray foam as well. 18 seer two zone mini split and it will be very energy efficient.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 28, 2018, 07:03:44 PM
And here it is at the end of work day 52

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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 28, 2018, 07:10:54 PM
IMPRESSIVE!
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Post by: stlaser on January 28, 2018, 07:42:39 PM
I agree, looking great!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 28, 2018, 10:19:47 PM
So jared was right.  Handling those 4x8 hardie panels is tough and I was unable to get them lifted into position on the ceiling of the porch.  I put a cleat on the wall and tried to rest one end on that cleat and pivot the panel up.  No dice.  Too flimsy and risked breaking it in the middle.

So I think I'm going to build a rig that has 2 2x4s with hinges that gets temporarily screwed into the wall.  Place the panel and pivot it up.  Supported by the 2x4 it should be easier to get pivoted up and put another 2x4 underneath to hold it in place then I can nail it..

We shall see.  Probably going to trench for power, water and ethernet soon to get that out of the way as I need to be able to work inside with some lighting.
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Post by: JR on January 28, 2018, 11:17:37 PM
I wish they would make a foam contoured for containers. They have got so popular it should be a no brainer. Of course spray foam is better, but $$$.

Getting ready to hook up my split. Just 15 ser single.

Looks good !
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 29, 2018, 06:25:15 AM
They do JR.  It's stupid expensive.

https://insofast.com/products/container-inserts/

I can get spray foam for 1.25 sqft to fill 2x4 cavity, 1.40 to fill 2x6 cavity.

I plan to install studs (skinny side) in the recessed part of the corrugation and then bridge across the top with 2x4, in essence making a drop ceiling to install electrical and insulation. 

I'll need a mini split that senses humidity and find a way to introduce a small amount of fresh air as it will be a big Styrofoam cooler

Looking for ideas on how to attach the studs to the steel container.  thought about drilling and screwing from the outside but that would be about 100 holes.

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Post by: nmeyer414 on January 29, 2018, 06:35:29 AM
They do JR.  It's stupid expensive.

https://insofast.com/products/container-inserts/

I can get spray foam for 1.25 sqft to fill 2x4 cavity, 1.40 to fill 2x6 cavity.

I plan to install studs (skinny side) in the recessed part of the corrugation and then bridge across the top with 2x4, in essence making a drop ceiling to install electrical and insulation. 

I'll need a mini split that senses humidity and find a way to introduce a small amount of fresh air as it will be a big Styrofoam cooler

Looking for ideas on how to attach the studs to the steel container.  thought about drilling and screwing from the outside but that would be about 100 holes.



If you have a few minutes this evening, i can give you a call and explain how i did it in afghanistan?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 29, 2018, 07:08:34 AM
Will do Nate.


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Post by: stlaser on January 29, 2018, 08:24:28 AM
An air powered drill will knock out a 100 holes in no time flat if you have enough air to power it, just a thought.

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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 29, 2018, 09:14:24 AM
Would there be anything against just using some contractors adhesive?


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Post by: Sammconn on January 29, 2018, 10:14:48 AM
They make a hilti anchor for direct on steel.
Not sure on what all types of fastener options.
The speed of the shot fuses the anchor to the steel.

Used a lot for electrical straps on steel beams.

What I don't know is if there is a stud that's long enough to go through a board.
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Post by: KensAuto on January 29, 2018, 11:50:59 AM
Could you use the walls for supporting the roof, then add self tappers from the top if additional support needed?

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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 29, 2018, 12:52:46 PM
I think the idea of breaking the outside layer of steel defeats the entire purpose!  Do you really want holes in the sides and roof? :facepalm:
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Post by: stlaser on January 29, 2018, 02:15:50 PM
No different than steel on pole barn......
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 29, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
I can live with holes in the side and put sealant over them. I won?t put holes in the roof. Walls will support inner roof. Just need to make sure wall studs are secure as I will be sheathing the inside in plywood and attaching shelves etc.


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Post by: KensAuto on January 29, 2018, 08:50:31 PM
Oh, Charles I misread. I thought you were looking for a way to mount studs to the roof..my bad.

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Post by: nmeyer414 on January 29, 2018, 08:58:39 PM
here yah go charles
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Post by: nmeyer414 on January 29, 2018, 08:59:27 PM
here is the site where that pic came from.........

http://www.bergco.com/conex.html
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 29, 2018, 11:25:59 PM
You could weld bolts to the walls on the inside and than drill holes in the studs to bolt them to the walls. Maybe countersink the nut so it doesn?t interfere with the drywall


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Post by: JR on January 29, 2018, 11:56:57 PM
Why not just use body pulling studs to the walls? No holes and cheap enough. Drill holes to match, bend the ends over and still glue them on.

I like the insert there. Wouldn't really be that hard to cut foam. Cut the angle and you flip for the other side, then a sheet across the top. Just need a BIG can of glue!
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Post by: KensAuto on January 30, 2018, 09:48:34 AM
JR, he said "skinny" side, so the bolt/stud would have to be over 3-1/2"+ long. ...at least that's what I got from it.

I think that no matter how you mount them, a couple of those semi trailer spreader bars might come in handy.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 30, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
I?m thinking that I may wedge and glue the studs, and then use Simpson hangers to hold the roof joists vertical to gain more strength and a deeper insulation cavity. Will start mocking some stuff up soon


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 03, 2018, 11:27:35 AM
Ok. Yesterday I cleared a few cedars to make room for the outdoor kitchen slab. Moved my construction materials out of the way. Moved the firewood rack and started marking off underground obstructions for the big dig.

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So this morning I got back to working on the hardie.  I?m determined to get the ceiling panels up. After some thought I came up with a jig.

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Some door hinges and 2x4s and a small angle bracket to hold the panel when vertical.... and then voila!

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Walk it up the ladder and screw in a stop to hold it.

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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 03, 2018, 11:36:53 AM
great way to hold them in place Charles :likebutton:
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Post by: stlaser on February 03, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
Nice Jig Charles, you gunna name that jig? :tongue:
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Post by: rpar86 on February 03, 2018, 12:35:10 PM
Clever! I would have said rent a drywall hoist, but this was practically free!


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Post by: Flyin6 on February 03, 2018, 04:07:40 PM
Very smart
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 03, 2018, 06:25:37 PM
And here is where I left it today. Grilling some chicken for lunch with the parents and sister tomorrow.

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Got the inside of the porch completely trimmed out and now just need to cut the last 3 rows of siding to finish.

Then I?ll finish the outside of the porch.  Soffit got done today so all that is left is the trim on the beam and to cut a panel to cover the side piece.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 03, 2018, 06:28:12 PM
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Post by: KensAuto on February 03, 2018, 06:30:43 PM
Looks great Charles, per usual.

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Post by: JR on February 03, 2018, 11:12:51 PM
Yep, great job. Just curious, sheetrock outside and not the green stuff?
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Post by: rpar86 on February 03, 2018, 11:27:03 PM
It?s hardi


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Post by: JR on February 03, 2018, 11:52:09 PM
It?s hardi


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Missed that!   :embarrassed:
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 04, 2018, 06:17:22 AM
Nice Jig Charles, you gunna name that jig? :tongue:

Hmmm...patent pending...ROH3

Redneck One Handed Hardi Hanger

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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 06, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
Well got some fuel capability added to the spa/hide....

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Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 03:27:20 PM
1k?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 06, 2018, 05:47:32 PM
No. The 500 was $900 and they wanted like $2600 for a 1k. I told them I?d add another 500 later.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 06, 2018, 05:49:51 PM
Pool got marked on the ground today.  The big dig commences 0800 tomorrow.  They are going to excavate for my utilities to the casita while they are at it.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 06, 2018, 05:51:29 PM
Oh and I?m going to go ahead and have them pour a walkway and hardscape for the fire pit.  Well basically they are destroying mine and building all new pit with matching flagstone.  SMH. I?m going to get kicked out of the neighborhood for not being redneck enough.


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Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 05:56:00 PM
No. The 500 was $900 and they wanted like $2600 for a 1k. I told them I?d add another 500 later.


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Copy, also if you ever need to move them my skid loader & mf4609 would both pick a 500 full. They were both maxed out but it was doable.....
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 06, 2018, 06:58:37 PM
I think my Kubota would pick it up empty but I'm struggling to justify a bigger tractor until I get either parcel on the north or east of me...or both.  Not to mention, did I mention I just paid for a pool?  SMH....  I hope I don't have to move it.  Its pretty strategically located.  central to the house, shop, casita and outdoor kitchen.

If I add a second would you just tee the lines together and draw from both?  I'm running a 10PSI regulator on it and will step it down at each point of use, eg. backup gen, pool heater, outdoor kitchen...
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 06, 2018, 07:09:09 PM
Wow, a pool....So who gets to keep it clean. Every needle, twig, creepy crawler in the county will be in it if it is an outdoor model. I like the idea of two 500 gal tanks, regulators do fail and that pool better be warm for the family.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on February 06, 2018, 07:46:41 PM
Charles,

Like ALL you do: top notch!  Quality doesn?t exclude you from Redneck STATUS!  That?s about attitude and not intelligence.  My students ask me if I?m a redneck and I don?t feel it?s an insult, rather a compliment regarding my attitude and convictions!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 06, 2018, 08:41:37 PM
As ususal Bob, all maintenance falls to me.....

Mike, that was a tongue in cheek statement for sure....No one can take away my redneck card....Its my license plate....

As I see it, being a redneck is a homage to a simpler time where integrity and values mattered more than material possessions and other worldly trappings.......
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 06, 2018, 08:47:49 PM
Well even if the duty falls on you, it will be a nice place for the family to relax and enjoy the Hide. You have been doing a great job fixing up the place, thanks for sharing...Keep the fires under control...
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Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 09:39:23 PM
Charles, double check with your local pane dealer but I ran a line from each tank outlet into a T. Then on that T I had a regulator as it went towards house actually my regulator on tanks was large enough to supply two separate lines that went into my house at two different locations. At each location going into house I had another regulator.
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Post by: KensAuto on February 06, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
Not trying to be negative, but a pool heater will burn through that tank like a ford burning fuel on flat ground...at least that's the feedback I've received from friends (yes my wife is trying to get me to go down the same path...I've been fighting her off for about 6 years now)
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 06, 2018, 10:23:33 PM
Could you plumb a second heat source and use wood boiler to keep the temp right. My friend in WA uses a wood stove with coils as an only heat source for his pool.
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 07, 2018, 12:18:03 AM
Solar heater would do the trick, and free
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 07, 2018, 10:01:40 AM
I keep forgetting about solar being from wet side of Washington.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 07, 2018, 10:27:16 AM
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Snap. No turning back now.

I don?t plan to heat the entire pool just the hot tub. But we?ll see what drain that has on the tank. Too many woods right now for solar but every tree that drops leaves in the pool may find a sudden demise.


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Post by: Wilbur on February 07, 2018, 11:07:27 AM
What about a wood boiler for the hot tub? How often will you be at the site? Not like you have to heat it all the time anyway right? I don't know how fast it would come up to temp but that might be doable. 

Please looks really great Charles!
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Post by: stlaser on February 07, 2018, 11:14:15 AM
Any bet takers on the sat dish cable getting cut? :tongue:
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Post by: KensAuto on February 07, 2018, 11:50:33 AM
^^^^ :beercheers:

For a moment I thought Don may have driven the Kobelco down from the tuck!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 07, 2018, 12:31:26 PM
Any bet takers on the sat dish cable getting cut? :tongue:


Since I buried it I knew it was going to be a casualty.

Just so happened to be the very first bite when they yanked the cedar stump out by the porch.


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Post by: stlaser on February 07, 2018, 01:05:07 PM
Any bet takers on the sat dish cable getting cut? :tongue:


Since I buried it I knew it was going to be a casualty.

Just so happened to be the very first bite when they yanked the cedar stump out by the porch.


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Lol, sorry.......
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 07, 2018, 01:17:36 PM
No damage when things tore loose I hope. It had to be moved anyway right...Don't want it under that nice pool.
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Post by: dave945 on February 07, 2018, 02:03:46 PM
How come that thing will just pop a cedar stump out, and I?ve gotta dig all around it with my tractor? 

Looks like it?s going to be a real nice layout, I?m not letting my wife look at this thread. 
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 07, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
^^^^ :beercheers:

For a moment I thought Don may have driven the Kobelco down from the tuck!
Wonder how long that would take???

In "rabbit" mode I think it only does like 3 mph
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 07, 2018, 02:59:26 PM
Hole is finished.  Rebar crew in it.  Plumbing tomorrow,  Gunnite tomorrow or friday. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180207/52a3c18944ba22de9513885cbb500ba0.jpg)


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 07, 2018, 04:13:54 PM
Wow these guys are fast. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180207/a7953641216b27fbad3b6cbcd4116053.jpg)

Ready for plumbing and gunnite


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Post by: stlaser on February 07, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
If you had known they worked that fast you would have negotiated better.... :popcorn:
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 07, 2018, 05:23:04 PM
When they were the only company willing to come this far, I was negotiating with myself.....
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Post by: Wilbur on February 07, 2018, 05:32:04 PM
That will be really nice when its done!
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Post by: JR on February 07, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
They are working fast. How come cement vs FG?

I have solar for my pool and it was all diy. Got everything off CL. Works great but you need about the same area in panels as pool sf.

I have a heater but have yet to install, just to get it ready earlier in the year and extend a few weeks.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 07, 2018, 07:53:57 PM
Would like more intel on the solar.

I debated FG for a long time and ultimately the ability to get warranty work and some stated issues with finish along with very few people willing to work with us this far out, I chose I local company that has been building pools, under the same name, for nearly 40 years.

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Post by: rpar86 on February 07, 2018, 08:28:34 PM
Nice looking pool/cabana house in the background


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Post by: cudakidd53 on February 07, 2018, 08:52:28 PM
Where's the rough-in for the duck blind?
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Post by: JR on February 07, 2018, 08:59:22 PM
Where's the rough-in for the duck blind?

He just covers the spa
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Post by: JR on February 07, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
Solar is easy. I find used panels fro around $50, new they are about $200 on ebay. I like the roof but any sunny area is fine.

Tap into the filter inlet and I run a small 110v pump on a timer. The pool pump will work too, but that costs a lot more.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 07, 2018, 10:12:25 PM
Looks good Tex. If you cut all the trees that drop stuff into the pool you will have lots of room for solar.
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Post by: cruizng on February 08, 2018, 08:32:09 AM
Sorry Tex but I had to laugh. All of this time I thought the house (shed) you have been building was your primary dwelling. I thought you also had a shop / garage there also as a stand alone. Then you were going to bring in containers for storage and gun/re loading room. Then I see the pictures of the actual house next to the pool and then the light bulb goes off that you have a retirement house there and the rest is all add on's.

Very nice!

When I lived in NJ I had a very large pool and heated with Natural Gas. No spa but the wife likes 80 degree plus water or she won't go in. That thing cost me about $1000 a month to heat 5 months of the year. Plus another $1000 a month in electrical for the two pumps and 26 stations of sprinklers. I was always looking for a pool heater that was the type that floated on top of the water when you were not using it. Tons of lilly pads and other floaty types but I wanted one where you could hook up the return water line from the pump to it, it then circulates the return water through a series of dark floating pads and then returns the water back into the pool after it heats up.

Similar to these but instead they would be like air mattresses with water flowing through rather than air. Scale able to whatever size of pool you had. 

https://youtu.be/bUZd_fAQnQk

Thank god I'm in Minnesota now where you don't need a pool. (sarc)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 08, 2018, 09:57:24 PM
I just realized I never posted the original house photo.

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The day we closed.


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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 08, 2018, 10:29:32 PM
Nice getaway place, or even a main home for that matter. I really like the covered porches and the metal roofing. Once you get all that grass on the side of the house turned into a pool the mowing time will be reduced....
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Post by: rpar86 on February 08, 2018, 10:59:58 PM
With the dually lurking in the background...


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 09, 2018, 06:13:14 AM
The pool decking will mirror the full width of the house with the decking matching up to the porches on the front and back.  Then when they do the decking in flagstone they'll also cover the porches in flagstone to match.  The outdoor kitchen will be a 14x24 slab, also covered in flagstone, angled and centered between the main house and the casita to form a kind of arc of buildings that look out over the pond.

They'll tie the kitchen to the pool with a walkway and on the far side of the pool they'll pour a walkway and 18ft diameter area for a 6ft diameter fire pit.

Its going to rain some this weekend so I'm hoping they get gunnite shot today.  Then hopefully I can get back to wrapping up hardie or wiring electrical.
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2018, 08:38:13 AM
Obviously, watching this and all of the threads, I have to say I expected better of the men here

What we have here is a bit of disorganization

Yes- Sadly

But, True!

A military leader spends a lot of his time training his men to be able to take over in the absence of something. Someone gets hurt, the next highest ranking guy steps in for hopefully what is a seamless transition.

Others, seeing need, takes action. No fortifications down on the high speed avenue of approach into your logger, and some NCO will tell some private to set a machine gun to over-watch it, then set about making sure he is supported as well

I have tried to build that into you, "People." I would have expected that from most of you, (Excepting the "Salt lake City kid" of course, but the rest of you have shown yourselves to be somewhat disciplined and focused.

Charles here is building a pool, a rather dangerous and complex and expensive undertaking, I think we can all agree.

And where is the oversight, I ask? Anything organized...anywhere?

No just things from the SLC kid like, "Can I come and play!"

There should have been some of you who organized into the "Construction committee" Self starters who would have seen the need to get involved to provide the quality information Charles needs to build this thing. And much the same as you have done with me with the building of SquareD, that counsel should arrive well after the decision was made, the concrete is in the ground and all thoughts of that phase had vanished...like that!

I'm disappointed

And what of those (none of you) who are knowledgeable about laws rules, laws, regulations, and things of this sort, where are you I ask? There should have been something to advise Charles of all the things he has to consider which would constitute guidance. Information coming from JR's unregulated state, common pool practices from Sam and those in Minnesota, and some HOA member. Matters not that none of that is accurate, the effort should have been made and there should be a "committee of crap-house lawyers."

But its not here...Sad, really

Where are the psychologists who know everything there is to know about the mind of a woman who might have given good advice to Charles on how this all fits into his marriage (Of which you know absolutely nothing?), where are you. We should have seen a mental health advisory committee form somewhere populated with guys like Phil. I mean if he can land a rocket going like ten thousand miles an hour that way, back here a few minutes later, figuring out a woman's mind should be child's play.

Everyone with me here?

I had hundreds of "Tips and advice" when building square D from peeps who wouldn't know a mig welder from an enema. I had paint experts commenting who were color blind, or just plain blind. I had 14 year old kids telling me about what they thought about how the military tires I selected would hold up. I even had a lieutenant comment about something, but I tossed that out years ago.

Lets get organized, lets get our brain power engaged, and lets get this man the quality help this web site is well known to provide

Move out!
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Post by: nmeyer414 on February 09, 2018, 08:58:04 AM
HAHAHAHAHA...........

Someone's up early and probably had a bit too much coffee since he cant be havin none for none for a while anyways, or possibly in to the pre op drugs a little early.......

Or he migh be boo boo lipped that we havent D.O.T'd this one up like he thinks we did with square d.........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2018, 09:15:45 AM
HAHAHAHAHA...........

Someone's up early and probably had a bit too much coffee since he cant be havin none for none for a while anyways, or possibly in to the pre op drugs a little early.......

Or he migh be boo boo lipped that we havent D.O.T'd this one up like he thinks we did with square d.........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh, what you all did (Do) to the SquareD thread is well documented

Causes me ptsd  (Pressure n' tension started delusions!)
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Post by: dave945 on February 09, 2018, 09:24:17 AM
So if I read the earlier rant correctly, Don wants us to make this into such an audaciously huge project that it isn?t going to end well. Sorry to break it to you, Don. He did that just by starting to dig a hole for a pool. But if it makes you feel any better, I?ll give it a shot:

Instead of just adding a pool, put a hot tub on the side of it. Darn it, already done.
Oh, I know. You should put a flagstone surround and a huge fire pit  and walkway, then redo your porches with said flagstone too.  Dang it, he beat me to it.

Sorry to say it, but I think he?s already chosen to do all the really big add ons already.   I?ll keep looking though.
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Post by: stlaser on February 09, 2018, 09:58:59 AM
I think the difference is Charles has not built a tac topper yet (yep I just went there). Add in the fact the biggest injury we have witnessed him commit is a smashed thumb (was yours the motorcycle wheelie accident or the fire in the house?). Anyhow either way I guess what I?m
saying is we are giving him quite a bit more lead way than you Don! :popcorn:

Add to the fact you did nothing but complain about all our DOT efforts of the past & here we are, you even managed to run my second in command of DOT efforts off (Ashley) and I was left with Ken who has become a turncoat with Charles now diligently contributing to the chaos we work so hard to keep up here.  :facepalm:

But hey, good luck with that surgery!
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Post by: nmeyer414 on February 09, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
I seem to remember something about don openly admitting his testing of the concrete hardness in his garage with his head and back.........
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Post by: stlaser on February 09, 2018, 11:02:44 AM
I seem to remember something about don openly admitting his testing of the concrete hardness in his garage with his head and back.........

Yeah, I think it?s a toss up at this point!
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2018, 11:05:32 AM
...So you're sayin I'm gettin no support here? :rolleyes:
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Post by: stlaser on February 09, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
...So you're sayin I'm gettin no support here? :rolleyes:

Quite the opposite, we give you a ton of support. It?s Charles that?s getting left out on the support! :knucklehead:
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Post by: dave945 on February 09, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
Not to mention that just saying we can?t DOT up his thread is in itself DOTing up his thread.  :facepalm:
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Post by: EL TATE on February 09, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
"Hey guys here's a pic of the house we boug..."
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Post by: dave945 on February 09, 2018, 02:32:48 PM
If it weren?t for the labels, I would have thought that was Hillary?s political career.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on February 09, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Now Don, I did ask where the duck blind was and JR already mentioned brushing in the hot tub.  Have you considered that since Charles isn?t a pilot, he?s used to the concept of nobody else is going to service his abused equipment and therefore avoids using his slide rule as a hammer?  Now, granted YOU fix whatever you break and mostly on your own, but you still need to master the art of Broke Stuff avoidance.  You know.....how to avoid BS!

Heavenly Father, guide Don?s surgeons and restore your servant to health in rapid fashion so he may continue to serve you .......... AND entertain the DOT Army you?ve placed in his life!

In Jesus name, Amen!
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Post by: JR on February 09, 2018, 04:09:31 PM
Tate, you forgot to mark SD parked over to the right there,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Don, know whats in a woman's mind?  :facepalm:

Is this from the hospital? On meds?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 09, 2018, 05:42:49 PM
:popcorn

mistakes abound.  I assure you the pool, guest house and outdoor kitchen, when finished, will have cost more than the main house.....

Oh and not even a rocket scientist can decipher the mind of a woman....
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 09, 2018, 06:24:16 PM
Here are some pics the wife sent. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180209/a18c75ebda369870bda9d7b61de10142.jpg)
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Post by: EL TATE on February 09, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
:popcorn

mistakes abound.  I assure you the pool, guest house and outdoor kitchen, when finished, will have cost more than the main house.....

Oh and not even a rocket scientist can decipher the mind of a woman....

Ah I believe we have one of those; Phil? any comment?
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on February 09, 2018, 11:42:16 PM
Who is the ?salt lake city kid??

I feel hurt.    I wouldn?t drive to Texas to swim a pool full of Lilly pads and a duck blind.  A little to redneck for my type


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 10, 2018, 01:45:33 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180210/6f4bfac948d3666431033898df98ac82.jpg)

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Today I ran a temporary satellite cable to restore tv. Then started clearing the porches in advance of the flatwork.  Empty shipping container came in handy. Also straightened up the shop a bit and am either going to hang some hardie or work inside on the electrical at the casita.


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Post by: Flyin6 on February 10, 2018, 02:39:16 PM
Tate, you forgot to mark SD parked over to the right there,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Don, know whats in a woman's mind?  :facepalm:

Is this from the hospital? On meds?
Its from the TBR procedure I think, I'm workin' on a new make-up base, leave me be, you're always criticizing and picking on me!
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Post by: JR on February 10, 2018, 05:49:28 PM
Just some input for ya is all. We all want to see SD run!

TRN, whens the pool party?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 10, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
About mid March me thinks


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 10, 2018, 07:49:52 PM
Went back to hanging a little hardie and got the 100 amp sub panel hung and hole cut to the inside of the house to run romex.  Silicone sealed around the conduit running inside the house and across the top of the panel where it meets the house.

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Post by: Bigdave_185 on February 10, 2018, 10:03:58 PM
What colors are you planing on putting on the exterior? Your getting close to finish paint the exterior


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Post by: KensAuto on February 10, 2018, 11:21:41 PM
I wish I had dirt like that at my place.
Those guys sure kicked butt on that pool. Nice design.

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Post by: JR on February 10, 2018, 11:27:46 PM
Wish I was moving as fast as you. This DIY really slows you down sometimes.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on February 11, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
Looking good Charles, what's the finish plan for the interior surface of the pool, tile?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 11, 2018, 10:11:50 AM
Thanks guys. Really starting to take shape.  Boss lady is still debating exterior color. It will match the house. The question is whether I get to paint both the house and casita or just the casita to match the current color on the house.  She wants to wait until the pool is in to see the color of the flagstone to make that call.

Pool will be pebble sheen finish. She?s still debating the color on that and has to make a decision in the next week or so.  She likes the dark colors but since the pool is shallow she is concerned about it being too hot.

Ken that ?dirt? is pure red clay. Good thing is there aren?t any real rocks to contend with.

Temp is 30 degrees cooler than yesterday and the wind is blowing.  Looks like I?ll wire some circuits indoors today


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Post by: Wilbur on February 11, 2018, 11:49:50 AM
For the color, you have to do some planning. First find the color you really want (but don't tell her). Then start looking at camo designs.....leave brochures around with pictures. Then say you made your decision and tell her that as this is a bug out place you want to keep everything hush hush and quiet so you then show her the camo design so that it won't easily be seen from the air. After she calms down say "well we could do this color....." (the one you wanted to begin with). She'll be do happy you're not going with a camo design she'll say yes.

Lemme know how that works out. Haha.
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Post by: KensAuto on February 11, 2018, 06:22:06 PM
Thanks Wilbur, I didn't want to take the #666 post. :)
Tex, the dirt at my place, and my brother's which is were I'm working now, is straight up powder. It won't compact, nor absorb water. Really difficult to work with... actually extremely difficult, and it goes down between 3 and 6 feet before hitting Az clay/concrete. Not sure if Tex red clay is better, but it looks nice. Lol

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Post by: Wilbur on February 11, 2018, 10:35:54 PM
Had to pave the way for ya Ken! ;)
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Post by: JR on February 12, 2018, 12:15:05 AM
You got it anyway. Must be the common core.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 12, 2018, 08:16:50 AM
Well, worked on some wiring yesterday.  Stupid cold and humid yesterday.  The thing about Texas cold is near freezing and 70% humidity and a light wind.....I'd rather it be 20 and no humidity and no wind.

I've run electrical many times but this is the first time that I've had to plan circuits and execute from scratch.  Keep getting into analysis paralysis, but as with most things it will be over engineered.  Electrical is where I am most critical of builders not planning ahead like location of swithes, 3 way circuits, planning for undercabinet lighting, floor recepticles, etc.  If I miss one I'll kick myself forever. 

Keeping to NEC code standards is pretty complicated and not always common sense.  Bathroom has to have a dedicated 20amp GFCI, but can power other bathrooms, but not any fixtures outside the bathroom, but can't power other bathrooms if you put the bathrooms lighting fixtures on it and then the fixtures can only be a certain wattage....

Plus you have to have a dedicated circuit for the refrigerator....plus a 120v outlet within 25ft of the AC unit not downstream of equipment cut off. 

Yadi yadi yadi.....

Pics later....
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Post by: Wilbur on February 12, 2018, 08:51:50 AM
Good luck but i think youre smart to plan it all out before you start pulling any wire. Do you have a friend you can send them to for a check to make sure you haven't missed anything?

I don't get what some places do so diagrams can be key. My FIL had tripped a GFCI on an outside outlet in his mfd house. None of the outside outlets had the reset. Fortunately the paperwork provided to him included a full wiring diagram, the reset was in a wall outlet in the MBR....um what? Thank God for the diagram, but no rhyme or reason to my way of thinking. Course I'm no electrician.....and I don't play one on TV. Ha
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Post by: stlaser on February 12, 2018, 09:29:19 AM
I?ve never planned out a whole house, plenty of single runs here or there in homes & shops. I agree I think making a diagram and planning is just the right thing to do.
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Post by: Bear9350 on February 12, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
When we did out remodel I planned/ ran new wires for the hole house.  Just make it make sense when you do it really isn't that hard.  Being a smaller dwelling it shouldn't be to complicated.  For where I live and doing a remodel I didn't have to have anything inspected so I didn't need to worry to much about the odd requirements.  Just making sure everything is safe etc..  I did have a licensed electrician friend at work that I was able to run stuff past/ ask questions which was nice.

Don't try and split stuff up into to many circuits though.  They will quickly add up and fill up the box. 
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Post by: nmeyer414 on February 12, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
we used to have an electrical guy named Darren around here, but he hasn't been on since dec 2016......want me to reach out to him for you Charles?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 12, 2018, 06:02:50 PM
Thanks guys. No need Nate I have a EE friend with a master electrician license that I can have look at it. I have a 20/40 circuit 100 amp panel so I?m ok being somewhat conservative.  And will still have room to run the outdoor kitchen off that panel and leave room for future expansion.  I think I?ll end up around 10 circuits. 


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 14, 2018, 06:20:38 AM
Not much going on this week with rain off and on all week. Some dirt work happened yesterday in prep for flatwork.  Electrical and some coping work might get done today. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180214/3972e8e83e6a9475a93e58fa6081e12f.jpeg)
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Post by: nmeyer414 on February 14, 2018, 09:43:40 AM
looks like that same nasty staining red dirt they got up there in south western oklahoma
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Post by: JR on February 14, 2018, 09:57:19 AM
For some reason I pictured the cabin out a little more.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on February 14, 2018, 03:29:59 PM
Success!  Pool holds water!
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Post by: Wilbur on February 14, 2018, 06:08:27 PM
Success!  CEE-ment pond holds water!

FIFY!  :beercheers:
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2018, 06:12:50 PM
I can see the CTL track marks everywhere
That
s torture to me
Seeing that
Looking at my recovering knee
And knowing I own one which has never seen the first minute of dirt...

Killin me...
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Post by: stlaser on February 14, 2018, 06:25:59 PM
I can see the CTL track marks everywhere
That
s torture to me
Seeing that
Looking at my recovering knee
And knowing I own one which has never seen the first minute of dirt...

Killin me...

Well, on the bright side you haven?t broke anything on it or drove over anything orange with it yet.  :popcorn:
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 14, 2018, 10:43:30 PM
Ha!  Don you?ll get
Yours soon!

Some tile work got done today. Pics later.


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 14, 2018, 10:51:30 PM
For some reason I pictured the cabin out a little more.

The plan is that the casita, the outdoor kitchen and the main house will form an arc of buildings that all face the cement pond...
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 16, 2018, 07:02:51 AM
Some tile work got started yesterday.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/9687d59dff0def3c188a57d0240d9d45.jpeg)
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Post by: cudakidd53 on February 16, 2018, 10:22:04 AM
VERY nice tiles and stone!
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Post by: EL TATE on February 16, 2018, 04:58:28 PM
reminds me of a charred whiskey barrel, looks great.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 16, 2018, 07:29:02 PM
Here a little more progress today. I came up to smoke some pork butts for a charity event tomorrow.

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Preview of final grade

Not as bad as I thought.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on February 16, 2018, 07:51:50 PM
How many gallons of water do you expect that to hold?  What chemical set are you going to use to keep it clean?


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Post by: KensAuto on February 16, 2018, 09:32:50 PM
You and your wife have great taste. Looks good.

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Post by: JR on February 16, 2018, 09:35:56 PM
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 16, 2018, 09:37:55 PM
Dave, I'm going to guess about 20,000 gallons and it is a salt water pool.

Ken its all my wife.  I can't take credit.