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Title: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:00:31 AM
In the words of my personal hero, Forrest Gump, "For no particular reason" I just decided to begin Part-3 of the hide site build up.

Those of you just coming here, there's parts one and two to muddle through before any of this will make any sense, so get tuit and git that done...And yes, I like to misspell things, just cause I kan! (And I'm a Kintuckian!)

So we left off somewhere, where I was doing something, and we'll launch off this thread from that nebulous point.

We can start where I did a few days ago when my hearing was still intact, my lungs was clear of dust, and my fingers hadn't been banged up by my hammer.

I chose the contractor pack of can lights, three of them to cover voids in the overhead floor joists which I thought needed something to create a fire hazard and some visual interest!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:01:09 AM
I was under supervision the entire time...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:03:08 AM
He is a part of my security system. Whenever a threat or sound manifests, he runs away and hides, indicating to me, something is amiss!

The theme was electrical stuff. Knowing I was moving the heavy wood stove into it's semi-permanent spot, I finished out the outlets and lights in its vicinity first

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
It's just work, but I wired in several more outlets with the 15 amp receptacles in the traditional way of attaching the wires directly to the screws. In the future I will use some of the push to connect receptacles to speed up things
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:08:09 AM
The cans are a pretty good buy at around $10 each.

The feed wires which have been stripped, simply push into the speed connectors which can also be used as a porch swing tie off in emergencies

(Well, maybe not)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:10:48 AM
The hand shots were to show what the proper anatomical makeup of a "Don-hand" looks like after it heals from days of smashing, cutting, dog bites, wasp stings, rusty nail punctures and the like.

This is one of the things used to bait you into smashing your fingers:

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:12:40 AM
I used all but two of the cans in the fit out of the bottom floor. I'm saving those for new headlights for Square-D ;-))
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:15:22 AM
I have no clue how far apart or how many to use, so I just stuck them everywhere. I figure I'll use them to both:

1. Provide light
2. Sterilize my body of harmful microbes (If for example I just mistakenly shook hands with a liberal)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:16:57 AM
Then it was on to mindless hours of tractor ridin'
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:19:08 AM
My brother in law has been busy it would appear.

I didn't cut or stack that future firewood and story-tellin ambiance creatin' sticks
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:25:48 AM
Now, no series of posts I ever make would be complete without a proper Car-Rep (Carnage Report)

Since I seem to be refining the activity of unknowingly, or methodically destroying valuable things I own, I feel it is necessary to categorize the levels of damage.

So, forthwith we shall know the damage as:

Car-Rep 1: Damaged but repairable on scene withing a reasonable length of time

Car-Rep 2: Damaged but requires a run for parts, or outside help

Car-Rep 3: Equipment destroyed and non repairable (Like setting my tractor on fire pushing brush into a raging bonfire)

OK, so we're clear on all that, right?

Movin along: the "B" tractor (For baby) had some problems. as you can see
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:27:07 AM
Pretty self explanatory

These are more subtle...More for the discerning eye if you will...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:28:30 AM
Parting from the deconstruction of my stuff and my available funds, back to buildin'

Next up, is the installation of the wood burner
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:29:55 AM
I decided not to mount it in the middle of the door, thought that might be a bad idea, so I moved it over to a spot that looks like it was created just for that stove!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:34:40 AM
It's about 23" from the back wall and 14" from the side wall. Because of it's close proximity to the side, I plan to wrap the area with another layer of ventilated metal, roofing metal, that is that will provide an inch of air gap to further mitigate heat propagation to the spot where it concentrates and causes a Car-Rep 3 report to be generated

Here, I'm punching a hole in the wall, cause I wanted to and, hey, I'm payin for all this!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:37:44 AM
And here I have determined the proper orientation of the chimney pipe.

Did I mention I studied chimney design at the Dachau school of design?

Yea, that wasn't funny.

I've actually been there...Dachau...Awful place! So many perished there, and now Iran says it never happened! Playing on new found ignorance, lies such as this can be created...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
Here is a better way of settin' it up for success!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:41:13 AM
Now, that pipe is PDH (Pretty Darned Heavy)...That's a grunt term...Everything to them is heavy...

I had to create a cradle and support system for the clean out-T and the soon to come chimney.

I made it out of 2 X 4's and 6's
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:43:41 AM
A fastened that to the wall joists with 390 3" screws and 7808 welding rod, wood fiber variety

One of the above statements is false...

I got a fit lookin' like this. So I have to bridge that final gap to make my life happier
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
So, I'm good with all that, but not with this yet...The pipe touching the wall.

I mean it rests on the cradle...

This pipe is double wall and filled with something like fire mortar. It's heavy and dense. It's made for this, but I need to read a bit more before I'm satisfied with the design and throw a match inside the box
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:48:28 AM
Another think I have yet to work out is that the stove outlet is sized for 8" pipe

But if you look, the double chimney pipe is sized for 6" pipe!

I checked and the original pipe which I found in the Sarge created debris pile was indeed 6", however no 8" to 6" transition could be found!

Gotta figure that one out
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
Surprised...No one has interrupted me yet...

I think we have a NDAE (No DOT Activity Event!)

Which is rare indeed!

Like palliated woodpeckers...The big red headed protected things which taste like chicken! Yumm!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:52:47 AM
Next I finished off the wall with cement board and added a shelf.

The shelf was made from old and very hard oak barn wood I salvaged from the wood pile my wife thinks is a barn
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Wilbur on September 15, 2016, 11:54:12 AM
Looking good Don. With all those lights you'll be able to have a tanning salon for the Mrs.

Here's a project for ya for the pre-rangers to enjoy..... ;D

http://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/outdoors/a22811/enormous-slip-n-slide/

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:55:24 AM
I once observed that a man of peace could be identified when a butterfly lands on him to rest.

While I was bush hogging and destroying it's habitat, a butterfly landed on my shoulder and rode around awhile.

Similarly, I no sooner mounted the shelf, like 5 seconds, when this guy showed up for a rest:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:57:39 AM
Looking good Don. With all those lights you'll be able to have a tanning salon for the Mrs.

Here's a project for ya for the pre-rangers to enjoy..... ;D

http://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/outdoors/a22811/enormous-slip-n-slide/


That's psycho...Aussies...

And you my fine Wilburin' friend are the "1-DOT" (First D.O.T er to screw with my thread)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 11:59:56 AM
Well, it was on to more pasture weed killin' fun

I try to spend part of the day building in the living area, and part of it improving the land. Some day, I'll have one or the other, more or less, under control.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 12:03:04 PM
Tractor-2 overheated several times and blew a hydraulic hose off the steering cylinder and had a flat tire...But I consider that minor any more. I actually had a spare hose down there, so all of that only mounted to a few Car-Rep 1 events!

Oh, and the bush hog pulled off again when one of the lower three point arms fell off (Again)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 12:04:33 PM
Here I am deciding which combustible to store next to the stove, and another pic of me pointing at something...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 12:06:33 PM
Oh, I remember...

That's the spot where I'm going to cut a sizable hole to heat the upstairs, and for small children to more easily be able to climb down through onto the hot stove...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on September 15, 2016, 12:16:34 PM
Don, in here you will find some installation details. As well you may be able to source the transition pieces you need.

http://www.selkirkcorp.com/SuperVent/Product.aspx?id=100

I don't know what brand you have, this one is very common, but may not be what you have.

I think you need a metal wall 'installation' piece, and I'm not sure about the wooden cradle outside. You may want to look at their options as well.

More info, less DOT this time.

All looks good in any case.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Wilbur on September 15, 2016, 12:16:42 PM

And you my fine Wilburin' friend are the "1-DOT" (First D.O.T er to screw with my thread)

Well sumbuddy had to step in while the west coasters were sleeping late...  ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 12:18:26 PM
Don, in here you will find some installation details. As well you may be able to source the transition pieces you need.

http://www.selkirkcorp.com/SuperVent/Product.aspx?id=100

I don't know what brand you have, this one is very common, but may not be what you have.

I think you need a metal wall 'installation' piece, and I'm not sure about the wooden cradle outside. You may want to look at their options as well.

More info, less DOT this time.

All looks good in any case.
^^^^^ That's a good post^^^^^
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 12:22:33 PM

And you my fine Wilburin' friend are the "1-DOT" (First D.O.T er to screw with my thread)

Well sumbuddy had to step in while the west coasters were sleeping late...  ;D
Proper Spellin' noted! ^^^

One point awarded
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: rpar86 on September 15, 2016, 12:25:21 PM
Don, a note on using the backwire outlets... the outlets you have pictured are for 15a circuits, (we'll ignore that for now) so the backwire on those will only accept 14ga wire. Wrapping the wire around the screws as you did is a mo-betterer practice anyway, regardless of wire size. I wired my entire garage this way with 15amp plugs I took out of the house (hate the almond color, replaced them all with white).

*i'm not an electrician, so all comments should be taken with a grain of salt.

Carry on good sir!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on September 15, 2016, 01:31:53 PM
I know several electricians and talked to a few others while doing the remodel.  All of them mentioned that they always wrap around the screw.  From what I understand the good electricians don't use the backwire method.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 01:32:51 PM
Don, in here you will find some installation details. As well you may be able to source the transition pieces you need.

http://www.selkirkcorp.com/SuperVent/Product.aspx?id=100

I don't know what brand you have, this one is very common, but may not be what you have.

I think you need a metal wall 'installation' piece, and I'm not sure about the wooden cradle outside. You may want to look at their options as well.

More info, less DOT this time.

All looks good in any case.
^^^^^ That's a good post^^^^^
Don, in here you will find some installation details. As well you may be able to source the transition pieces you need.

http://www.selkirkcorp.com/SuperVent/Product.aspx?id=100

I don't know what brand you have, this one is very common, but may not be what you have.

I think you need a metal wall 'installation' piece, and I'm not sure about the wooden cradle outside. You may want to look at their options as well.

More info, less DOT this time.

All looks good in any case.
Holy crap Sam!

I think I need to re-do that chimney pipe installation!

Just went to that link and THAT is the stuff I need

Gonna be spendy though...

Usin' my SLOWES discount of 10% I'll take it from ridiculous to just crazy expensive...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 01:36:06 PM
Don, a note on using the backwire outlets... the outlets you have pictured are for 15a circuits, (we'll ignore that for now) so the backwire on those will only accept 14ga wire. Wrapping the wire around the screws as you did is a mo-betterer practice anyway, regardless of wire size. I wired my entire garage this way with 15amp plugs I took out of the house (hate the almond color, replaced them all with white).

*i'm not an electrician, so all comments should be taken with a grain of salt.

Carry on good sir!
I sort of noticed that when I tried to shove some 12 gage wire into the hole while experimenting...It wouldn't fit!

Hilly-Billy proof! Whatcha know!

I just realized, though that the compressor outlet has a 15 amp outlet on a dedicated 20 amp circuit...Gonna have to change that out.

Well, I'm off to SLOWES to spend some more of my dwindling "Builder-Bucks!"
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: rpar86 on September 15, 2016, 01:57:00 PM
A true 20-amp plug has the sideways T-shaped neutral pin - accepts standard 15 amp or the 20amp plug like what is on my neighbor's 120V welder.

(http://www.homebrewtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=73588&d=1346164929)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on September 15, 2016, 02:03:42 PM
I sort of noticed that when I tried to shove some 12 gage wire into the hole while experimenting...It wouldn't fit!

Hilly-Billy proof! Whatcha know!


I'm kinda surprised that you didn't just drill the holes out, or shave the wires down to make them fit. ;)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Oh, and notable wave and thumbs to our frozen Canadian friend, Sam, for straightening me out before I generated a building fire and Car-Rep-3 incident!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 02:34:33 PM
A true 20-amp plug has the sideways T-shaped neutral pin - accepts standard 15 amp or the 20amp plug like what is on my neighbor's 120V welder.

(http://www.homebrewtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=73588&d=1346164929)

Thanks

I'm on it!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 02:39:19 PM
I sort of noticed that when I tried to shove some 12 gage wire into the hole while experimenting...It wouldn't fit!

Hilly-Billy proof! Whatcha know!


I'm kinda surprised that you didn't just drill the holes out, or shave the wires down to make them fit. ;)
Didn't have the right sized drill bit! ;-))
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on September 15, 2016, 04:10:10 PM
Is that table saw going to stay there? If so, thought about turning the stove so you have a bit more room to move before you apply clothes or skin to hot metal heater.. Cause it will happen.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 15, 2016, 10:33:28 PM
First thing to hit the top of that stove will be "Chinook Cooked Shrimp" I predict......what was on that in addition to Old Bay?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 08:12:35 AM
First thing to hit the top of that stove will be "Chinook Cooked Shrimp" I predict......what was on that in addition to Old Bay?
Old Bay, small red potatoes and corn cobs cut into three pieces...That's it!

I'll make ya a better batch next time you show up Mike...Those were a bit over done.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 08:12:52 AM
Is that table saw going to stay there? If so, thought about turning the stove so you have a bit more room to move before you apply clothes or skin to hot metal heater.. Cause it will happen.
Gotcha!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 08:15:42 AM
OK, after Sam turned me on to that Canadian stove pipe company, I got to reading a bit more.

I decided to just redo the whole thing. I discovered that SLOWES carries that exact company's products so $703 later, I bought everything new and loaded it into the back of C-Max.

Good lead there, Samuel! Very well build stuff in those boxes, and now I'll have a bomb proof system that will safely heat that shed for the rest of ma' daze!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on September 16, 2016, 10:32:19 AM
Seems like the guys in from the cold country know somethin' 'bout fires...who woulda thunk. Heck, I don't even know how to start a fire!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 16, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
I do! Unleaded gas an an M80 firecracker


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: akcooper9 on September 16, 2016, 03:09:53 PM
Don here is a copy of the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) Standards for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents and Solid Fuel-Burning Appliances (2003 version).

This was very handy when I built the alcove for my wood stove.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on September 16, 2016, 06:41:07 PM
I do! Unleaded gas an an M80 firecracker


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But will that combo detonate Tannerite?!?
I can't access M80's or I'd try it myself... Just the safe distance issue.

Total DOT here.
Glad you took the time now there Don, easier to fix now than later.
Yes it's spendy, but will give you peace of mind for years to come.
Hate for the shed to go up and create the next car-rep.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 08:23:56 PM
I appreciate all the help!

So today I went to the hide again and sort of installed the new Canadian chimney parts...Right up to the point where I was sticking on the first long section of outside riser
Someone installed a roof overhang in the way!

I needed to build the mount 6" past the wall which made my inside transition pipe about 8" too short

I'm looking at another trip to lowes to change out the 12" pipe. After that and cutting the stove pipe to proper length and I'm going to have one slick setup

Meanwhile I'm back to wiring things and hitting my fingers!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on September 16, 2016, 08:27:32 PM
Better than burning that sucker down for sure.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 16, 2016, 08:33:20 PM
M80s are a mythical firecracker that was purportedly equal to 1/4 stick of dynamite. (It's not) they are probably about 30-40 black cat equivalent so make a good bang. They'll light a pile of gas but not tannerite. Tannerite requires a projectile shock wave of 2000fps or greater


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on September 16, 2016, 08:37:29 PM
But will that combo detonate Tannerite?!?

No Tannerite won't detonate with that as the initiating device.

Per their Wiki page:
 " The combination is relatively stable when subjected to forces less severe than a high-velocity bullet impact, such as a hammer blow, being dropped, or impact from a low-velocity bullet or shotgun blast.[2] It is also not flammable ? an explosion cannot be created by a burning fuse or electricity."

Per their home page:
 "Tannerite? will not cause a fire, can not be initiated by any method other than a center fire rifle"
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 09:09:05 PM
Got a DOT goin on here

Think I'll just sit back and watch what happens
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 03:21:58 PM
Just getting back from another couple days down at the hide.

Had both:

1. A UNE (Unnatural, Natural event)

and

2. A UTE (Unintentional Turkey Encounter)

The UNE is a sled dog, not naturally occuring in these parts coming in very close proximity to a turkey of about the same size.
That just ain't right, thus it becomes unnatural, although dogs encounter other edible creatures and that is very natural

It was a UTE since the dog was sleepin' whilst a big hen strolls into my back yard at the farm. The dog, spooked by my throwing something at it decides to relocate. The dog unwittingly walks right up on this monster (Godzilla like) turkey who was brazen enough to be walkin around in my yard during daylight hours while I am knockin' and bangin' on things and blessing my latest finger smashin' event (FSE)

I actually heard it before I saw it. I hear this unhold gobble/scream and my lightening fast reflexes has me by a window maybe 30 feet away from the sled dog almost nose to nose with this thing which I know she is evaluating as a meal. The bird just exploded in a mad whooshing of wings which had a frightening effect on the sled dog and the bird made good it's escape.

Would you know it, this morning that darned bird came back!

Now that's pure crap!

I have a sled dog, perhaps 100lbs of very near wolf like mannerisms and the little german soldier who runs away at first indication of trouble. Neither of these stalwart warriors seem to have any effect on this Turkey who seems to be challenging them somewhat

What next? A lying, cheatin' communist president?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:31:47 PM
OK, Tool time

Since I'm trimming the cedar trees to become parts of my ever expanding shed/house, I picked up these quality EastWing axes to cut the knobbies down a bit before I continue to process the log.

I didn't have time to use them this time as I was cut a bit short due to inclement weather
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:33:32 PM
Because of Sam's recommendation and since his neighbor is Santa Claus, I hunted down the quality Chimney parts he recommended
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
The quality is superb. The stuff is made in Canada, which I have found to be as good or better than US made stuff
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:36:21 PM
The tool rack seems to expand a bit more each time I visit.

My goal is to improve the site each time I go down there, to have more capability, and be closer to actually be able to go it alone and off grid there
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:37:44 PM
This box has the wall mount for the "T" pipe and will support the weight of the upright Chimney sections, which will rise 9 feet above the wall outlet
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:38:39 PM
First I had to enlarge the hole in the wall I cut out a few days ago
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:39:45 PM
Then, the outside metal bulkhead part is screwed into place
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:41:27 PM
As you can see, a chamber is created with dead space between the stove pipe and the double steel panel. The outside fixture creates one layer of steel, while the interior wall thimble creates the second.

Its a slick setup
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:42:47 PM
I cut and modified the cement wall board then reattached and slid home the thimble piece
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Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2016, 04:44:22 PM
OK, Tool time

Since I'm trimming the cedar trees to become parts of my ever expanding shed/house, I picked up these quality EastWing axes to cut the knobbies down a bit before I continue to process the log.

I didn't have time to use them this time as I was cut a bit short due to inclement weather

I have the short handled 5# maul for splitting kindling, it's very nice
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:45:17 PM
The "T" section requires you to add a transition pipe to the inside. I had selected a 12" section which soon proved to be a bit too short.

This "T" section just reeks of quality
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:46:16 PM
OK, Tool time

Since I'm trimming the cedar trees to become parts of my ever expanding shed/house, I picked up these quality EastWing axes to cut the knobbies down a bit before I continue to process the log.

I didn't have time to use them this time as I was cut a bit short due to inclement weather

I have the short handled 5# maul for splitting kindling, it's very nice
I was going to get mine marred up later today if the rain not started
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:47:14 PM
Then I assembled the three piece base, slid the "T" home and slid up the base and screwed it to two studa
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:50:44 PM
I thought I was cookin' with bacon grease and the project was just zipping along. But, wait a minute...Look at the distance of that pipe from the wall, and how far out the eve is setting...

Yep, I was about 6" too close to the building

Not knowing that I attached the stove pipe adapter. Notice that these sections sort of "Screw" together maybe an eighth of a turn
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:52:22 PM
Here is a section of chimney pipe which measures 36" long and the very pipe that showed me I was way too close to the eve to make this actually fit properly.
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:54:02 PM
So, as a solution to the problem, I simply built a base outward from the wall from four sections of 2 X 6, each an inch shorter than the one beneath. I used long t-25 wood screws to fasten the pieces. Afterward it was a solid mass, so I painted it
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Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2016, 04:55:10 PM
It's the tuck, just notch the roof!!! ???
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
This outward spacing pulled the stubby pipe section inside the wall, rendering it useless in my application so, until I visited SLOWES once more, the Chimney project is dead in the water, but easily completed with just a couple replacement pieces

So it was back to wiring. First up was the three gang switch box and the 20 amp compressor circuit
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 04:58:48 PM
Wires are now piling in around the breaker panel!
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
I pulled a bunch more wire and wired in several more 15 amp outlet boxes
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 05:02:21 PM
The wife decided where I wanted the sink, frig, and washer/dryer...

And with that, I am mission complete for today, and in a few off to SLOWES to change out things and buy a bunch of new stuff!
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Post by: BobbyB on September 17, 2016, 06:34:18 PM
due to inclement weather

Pilots sure do love using the inclement weather card....


Just go out in the rain and use the axes..  ;D
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 08:25:29 PM
due to inclement weather

Pilots sure do love using the inclement weather card....


Just go out in the rain and use the axes..  ;D
Too Late, I already cancelled the mission! ;-))
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Post by: KensAuto on September 17, 2016, 09:22:58 PM
Those pieces do look well made.
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Post by: Dawg25385 on September 17, 2016, 09:47:07 PM
Those Estwing axes are nice! Lots of good progress


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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on September 17, 2016, 09:55:44 PM
Don, just don't let the red liquid out when you miss fire on a knot. Been there done that
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Post by: BobbyB on September 17, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
Too Late, I already cancelled the mission! ;-))


 ::)
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 10:32:16 PM
Don, just don't let the red liquid out when you miss fire on a knot. Been there done that
I'll do my best!

I think that right after I get the chimney in and the stove running, I'll take a break from wiring and cut a couple cords of firewood for the winter. I'll use those EastWings on the branches

Hopefully without blood loss of any great magnitude!
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Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2016, 11:26:08 PM
I didn't see a picture of the full size maul? You know the heavy hitter that you will be needing if you're honestly going to be splitting wood by hand. Not saying you won't but I thought pilots liked hydraulic equipment....... ;)
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 18, 2016, 06:56:11 PM
I didn't see a picture of the full size maul? You know the heavy hitter that you will be needing if you're honestly going to be splitting wood by hand. Not saying you won't but I thought pilots liked hydraulic equipment....... ;)
We definitely like hydraulic power

Like standing some logs on end then using the front loader edge to split those suckers

We like stuff like that!
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 19, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Well today the chimney got installed!

All nine feet of it

And the final connections were made to the stove. Tomorrow morning I'll test fire it to see if I have anything else left to do like high temp silicone. But at this point it's solid!
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Post by: wilsonphil on September 19, 2016, 10:04:48 PM
I didn't see a picture of the full size maul? You know the heavy hitter that you will be needing if you're honestly going to be splitting wood by hand. Not saying you won't but I thought pilots liked hydraulic equipment....... ;)
We definitely like hydraulic power

Like standing some logs on end then using the front loader edge to split those suckers

We like stuff like that!

if your serious don't mess around buy on of these, I begged my dad to buy one before I left for the military he said nope "its for lazy people"  Guess what was what was sitting there when I came home on leave two years later?  I could barely keep up with it, just rolling the log over to the hyd arm and them stacking what it split was a challenge but my dad thought it was funny.

  http://www.timberwolfcorp.com/log-splitters/

he bought the TW-6

http://www.timberwolfcorp.com/tw-6-log-splitter/




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Post by: Flyin6 on September 20, 2016, 09:20:54 AM
Copy that!

I've already been dropping hints about my Christmas present...

But in the spirit of a homestead/hide site, l feel I always need a manual means of getting essentials done
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 20, 2016, 03:04:00 PM
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200632933_200632933?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Logging%20%3E%20Log%20Splitters&utm_campaign=Powerhorse&utm_content=11965&gclid=CIzDyIbPns8CFU08gQod1W4EMQ

What I'm eyeballing.  One less motor to keep running since its powered off the tractor
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Post by: KensAuto on September 20, 2016, 03:26:38 PM
Oh boy I like that, but really no need.

Now, Don on the other hand....all I can picture is him cutting it up, turning it sideways, and using it to down live trees (since he can't seem to do it with a brush hog) .

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Post by: stlaser on September 20, 2016, 04:14:15 PM
Copy that, I envision the tractor laying on its side & that will be his "story"...... ;)
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Post by: wilsonphil on September 20, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200632933_200632933?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Logging%20%3E%20Log%20Splitters&utm_campaign=Powerhorse&utm_content=11965&gclid=CIzDyIbPns8CFU08gQod1W4EMQ

What I'm eyeballing.  One less motor to keep running since its powered off the tractor

you will be very disappointed with that unit!  they are better than nothing but a lot of work and most "small" tractor hyd systems are not up to the task.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 20, 2016, 07:42:40 PM
Phil,  thanks for the feedback.  Can you elaborate?  Seemed to match up with the hydraulics on my Kubota OK.
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Post by: stlaser on September 20, 2016, 08:43:46 PM
TRN, build your own. I've done it couple times now, in fact I have one sitting in my shop here.....
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 20, 2016, 10:03:08 PM
I thought about that Shawn but the cylinder, valve and pump costs almost what that whole set up costs. Well I guess I don't need a pump. If I didn't have 82 projects in line already it might be more appealing.


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Post by: stlaser on September 20, 2016, 10:08:30 PM
Surplus center & use a cylinder twice that size...... ;)
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Post by: KensAuto on September 20, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
...and paint it red. :)
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on September 21, 2016, 12:16:49 AM
Well Ken that should do it.
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:07:49 PM
Well, the new 24" transition chimney section fit just about right
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:08:31 PM
And with the base spaced outward 6 inches the clearances were good
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:09:21 PM
I put a screw and a roofing nail in each hole of the base
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:10:13 PM
The clean-out is easy to access
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:11:09 PM
Then the first section was added along with two stainless clamps that firmly attached the chimney to the building
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
I added two more 36" sections and a rain diffuser, smoke cap what-cha-ma-kall-it
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:14:06 PM
I had to work out of the bucket of the tractor to hoist the last sections into place and clamp them down, but I managed to get it done without injury!
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:15:37 PM
Then after cutting back the interior stove pipe to proper length, I fitted it all together, and attached it all with the necessary three screws at each joint
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:16:58 PM
Then came test time.

A simple cardboard fire at first to check for leaks of smoke

I didn't find any yet!
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:18:04 PM
With that in the bag, it was onto more wiring
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:19:05 PM
And the installation of some spendy GFCI outlets for safety
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:20:53 PM
Routing the wires in from the top and one from the side (So far) I started filling the breaker panel up
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:21:53 PM
Here is the dedicated 20 Amp compressor circuit with a switched outlet
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:23:38 PM
I had been drilling all the holes to route the wiring with the standard flat blade wood bit. Here I am trying out the more traditional wood boring bit.

I forgot how much I used to like these things. They pull themselves through the wood which is a bunch easier
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:25:42 PM
Throughout the day I finished wiring all the outlets on the first floor and most of the switches

It's just work, but one still has to pay attention to get the wires in the right order
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:29:40 PM
Fast forward to a new day, and first up was sharpening the chain saw teeth for a day of felling trees

I purchased this tool on recommendation from the readership, but I'd have to give it mixed reviews.

There is definitely a lot of technique with this tool, and part of the carbide burr broke off rather early in the evolution. I did get better at it, but I did not get a good clean sharpening. The saw pulled to the left while cutting, but it did pull big chunks of wood until it tried to pull some barbed wire which ended that chain's life!
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:30:35 PM
This stand of nuisance trees were first up to bat
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 22, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
I hate GFCIs. They all get weak and start tripping in about 3 years.


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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:31:16 PM
And the saw took care of business!
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:32:58 PM
And that gave rise to more and more death and destruction of perfectly healthy trees as I cut and pushed for the next few hours
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:34:48 PM
So I fired up Sarge and went into wholesale mode
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
I pushed it all back maybe another 100 feet and the Sarge hardly noticed the exercise!
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:36:21 PM
Filled up my wood crib as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:37:21 PM
Dogs were in overwatch so I wouldn't be flanked by some wayward turkey or rabbit or who knows what
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:39:17 PM
I started running into these monster Cedar trees. Sarge pushed them over roots and all, and due to the fact that they were growing in some older growth forest, the branches were all at the top.

Just look at the size of this log:
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:41:35 PM
Next up, I called up the Sarge once more to cut a shelf out of the hillside just below the shed

This is the spot I will develop for the Camper, the water tank, a deck, the tower and a few other things
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2016, 09:44:46 PM
That area is maybe seventy five feet across and I had to dig in about three feet.

I tracked in the spoils pile and rounded it off. I'll probably cover the top with gravel after getting some piping and wiring in, and let the slope go to grass

After four days of hard work, I can gladly report all my equipment is FMC!

And I have some new found work for the pre rangers
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Post by: Dawg25385 on September 22, 2016, 10:32:03 PM
I had been drilling all the holes to route the wiring with the standard flat blade wood bit. Here I am trying out the more traditional wood boring bit.

I forgot how much I used to like these things. They pull themselves through the wood which is a bunch easier
Funny I was just looking at auger bits for my pending wiring


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Post by: Dawg25385 on September 22, 2016, 10:35:03 PM
Lookin good boss! Lots of progress


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Post by: stlaser on September 22, 2016, 10:48:51 PM
And the installation of some spendy GFCI outlets for safety

You know they have gfci breakers.....
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Post by: cudakidd53 on September 22, 2016, 11:03:15 PM
You've got a DOZER and you're sharpening chainsaw chain teeth?  Like the chimney and building improvements, but you're slipping on the order of equipment usage- big to little is the order you should follow there Don.

It really amazing how much the ground has changed in two months!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on September 23, 2016, 09:33:22 AM
You've got a DOZER and you're sharpening chainsaw chain teeth?  Like the chimney and building improvements, but you're slipping on the order of equipment usage- big to little is the order you should follow there Don.

It really amazing how much the ground has changed in two months!
It's more like a paux de deux (Dance for two)

The tractor cleans a bit and makes things more visible for the planet killin' Sarge

And when I clean up a bit first, I am eating fewer branches while the Sarge is swinging madly through the undergrowth

I'm into a rhythm down there
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 23, 2016, 09:33:42 AM
And the installation of some spendy GFCI outlets for safety

You know they have gfci breakers.....
Yessir, I know...
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2016, 08:42:49 PM
Packed up for another sojourn down to God's Country

Speaking of structures, I've been reading about Buckminister Fuller's designs

How about a frequency 3, 12' radius, 5/8 to start out with...

A standard building is about 100% in compression

His stuff is 90% Tension and 10% Compression

About as earthquake proof as is possible and can stand up to tornadic wind loads. Considering my place was hit once by a twister and a near miss just last month, I started looking for something that would survive...
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Post by: stlaser on September 29, 2016, 09:51:53 PM
A geodesic dome? What's next one of those Quonset sheds?
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Post by: BobbyB on September 30, 2016, 02:55:01 AM
A geodesic dome? What's next one of those Quonset sheds?

Hey I was looking at a couple acres and thought one of those domes and a Quonset hut would be cool.. Then I remembered I'm still in my apartment until next summer or so.
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Post by: stlaser on September 30, 2016, 08:28:31 AM
Bobby, if I were a single guy. I'd buy an 1-2 acre plot without restrictions. Then I would build a 30'-40' x 40'-60' long shop. It would have 4' concrete rat walls around exterior. The lower garage area would have 14' walls (so 10' + 4' rat walls think carlift) all 2x6 construction so it could be sprayed & batted as where you live it gets cold. It would be drive thru with large overheads at both ends. Then have the upstairs as an apartment either hip roof or regular steep pitch roof to gain a nice sized living area. I'd have a big wood stove in the shop that would help heat the second floor (possibly all of it) & add baseboard electric to supplement or maybe a small furnace so you could have AC in the summer. I would build it as a shell, get final on it with little to nothing complete on interior. Then rough it and live out of it, keep costs low and finish it as you go. If you want depending on future plans / acreage you could build main house down the road & add outside stair case to use as a rental gaining monthly income. Cheap up front cost & would allow you to own.
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Post by: BobbyB on September 30, 2016, 09:40:18 AM
Bobby, if I were a single guy. I'd buy an 1-2 acre plot without restrictions. Then I would build a 30'-40' x 40'-60' long shop. It would have 4' concrete rat walls around exterior. The lower garage area would have 14' walls (so 10' + 4' rat walls think carlift) all 2x6 construction so it could be sprayed & batted as where you live it gets cold. It would be drive thru with large overheads at both ends. Then have the upstairs as an apartment either hip roof or regular steep pitch roof to gain a nice sized living area. I'd have a big wood stove in the shop that would help heat the second floor (possibly all of it) & add baseboard electric to supplement or maybe a small furnace so you could have AC in the summer. I would build it as a shell, get final on it with little to nothing complete on interior. Then rough it and live out of it, keep costs low and finish it as you go. If you want depending on future plans / acreage you could build main house down the road & add outside stair case to use as a rental gaining monthly income. Cheap up front cost & would allow you to own.

I did think about a big shop/garage building with a decent apartment over it. I have ideas, eventually I'll settle on one and run with it.
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 05:51:13 PM
Two more days down there and a bunch more accomplished

I have a problem coming up right around the corner, and that problem is cold weather.

I've been able to roll in there, work a long day, then clean up, cook a meal, and get a good night's sleep with the camper. Now I've had that camper's use because I haven't had to winterize it every time I turn around. But now if I don't, I'll lose it to broken water pipes.

So I'll have to keep it somewhat heated this winter to make it useful.

So my plan is multi-fold.

First I have to move it to it's permanent spot, the area I excavated with Sarge. Next I'll have to run some power to it and a propane source which needs to be much bigger than just two 20 lb bottles.

To do all this, I'll need to:
1. Electrify the shed
2. Run a line underground to the camper
3. Gravel in the camper location
4. Bury the water and electric feed lines to the camper, and a waste line
5. Establish some permanent water source that won't freeze
and
6. Who knows what else!

I have a plan
Excavate the "Shelf"
Excavate an area to place a water tank below grade
Gravel in the whole area
Drag the trailer over
Building a room, below grade which will house a large water tank, a water pump, some electrical stuff, a generator, and have a set of solar panels on the roof.

Some of that is already done

Before we get to that, here is a nifty busting axe I picked up
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 05:52:37 PM
Oops, outta time

Pre Ranger has a Game in a little bit, can't miss that, gotta go

Be back soon!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 10:27:24 PM
I'm back

We won 30-Zip!

A shutout and the pre ranger continued wreaking havoc on the poor little girlscouts up in Cincinnati!

So, where was I?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 10:32:02 PM
Oh, yes, got it, I was on the farm thing

I like to make improvements every time I'm down there so that with each visit it just gets better. I started with neatening this area and securely storing the extension cord and air hose.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 10:38:18 PM
I purchased the grounding bus bar and mounted it in the breaker box, which allowed me to complete the wiring I had hanging loose
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 10:44:03 PM
Then I wired in a 30 amp camper style plug to:

1. Power a camper

2. Allow me to plug in a generator and back feed the panel and power the building until I get the thing hooked up to the grid power
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 10:48:36 PM
In the spirit of killin' perfectly healthy trees every time I get down there, I fired up the Sarge and knocked some more of free standing Kentucky around
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 10:53:28 PM
I am now leaving the hardwoods, except for those locust, and pushing down the cedars and scrubby stuff. I am turning the cedars into long posts and the better scrubby stuff into firewood. It's free for the taking, come on over and grab some!

I visited the well again for some more cleaning and something weird happened. Another layer of floating plastic appeared. I had that thing clean of the floaty stuff, and I found old, gray and time-blackened plastic floating! Like it got boyant or something!

So I fished all that out of there until it was clear once again.

So far, no sign of Jimmy Hoffa!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 10:56:45 PM
The area all around that well is cleaning up nicely!

So are the adjacent fields...

The gold fish pond is definitely needing some attention! But ever since Sarge punched through into that gooey stuff it has held water!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 11:02:04 PM
Next, I fired up the Sarge again and went after the shelf I am excavating. This time I dug out the keyhole area where I will very soon erect a building and put a water tank inside and a roof overhead with some solar panels on it.

Hard to make it out, but that keyhole is 12 feet into the hillside and about 16 feet wide. It is about six feet deep at the high opint, but I'll build an eight foot wall and pack in the dirt nearly that high to get that good earthy insulation!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
That Loader is worth its weight in chocolate chip cookies (Something I value above gold!)

It moves a lot of dirt fairly quickly and hardly utters a complaint. Gotta love the old school technology.

Using it's weight to track in the loose dirt makes it instantly compact. I noticed that even though it had rained several times, I had zero erosion!

From lumpy piles of rock and dirt to this in just minutes!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 11:09:34 PM
A better perspective:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
The sled dog helped with the general layout and kept things safe by checking the stability of the soil around the excavation.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 02, 2016, 05:58:31 PM
Looks like a good weather work day don. 


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 02, 2016, 06:45:27 PM
Looking really different Don!  Cannot imagine where the extra plastic jugs are coming from!?!  Hope you beat Mr. Freeze, cause replacing busted RV Hose/Fittings stinks!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2016, 07:33:49 PM
Looking really different Don!  Cannot imagine where the extra plastic jugs are coming from!?!  Hope you beat Mr. Freeze, cause replacing busted RV Hose/Fittings stinks!
I don't think I will beat Mr. Winter, but I might be able to catch up if I get some good work days.

So who knows how to calculate what size block wall needs how many blocks?
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Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
Looking really different Don!  Cannot imagine where the extra plastic jugs are coming from!?!  Hope you beat Mr. Freeze, cause replacing busted RV Hose/Fittings stinks!
I don't think I will beat Mr. Winter, but I might be able to catch up if I get some good work days.

So who knows how to calculate what size block wall needs how many blocks?

Said block is X so LxW equals feet or inches etc, said wall LxW equals feet or inches, divide smaller number into larger one. Am I missing something?

Assuming you are using concrete block & mortar, a simple way to "cheat" for those of us non masons is to cut a bunch of small 1" lengths of rebar the diameter of the mortar joint you need. So when you're stacking & setting wall you just lay them in between rows. This way if your mortar is a little wet the wall won't sag on you. Not saying the pilot isn't a skilled block layer but it's a very easy way to set a wall level....
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2016, 10:35:53 PM
Looking really different Don!  Cannot imagine where the extra plastic jugs are coming from!?!  Hope you beat Mr. Freeze, cause replacing busted RV Hose/Fittings stinks!
I don't think I will beat Mr. Winter, but I might be able to catch up if I get some good work days.

So who knows how to calculate what size block wall needs how many blocks?

Said block is X so LxW equals feet or inches etc, said wall LxW equals feet or inches, divide smaller number into larger one. Am I missing something?

Assuming you are using concrete block & mortar, a simple way to "cheat" for those of us non masons is to cut a bunch of small 1" lengths of rebar the diameter of the mortar joint you need. So when you're stacking & setting wall you just lay them in between rows. This way if your mortar is a little wet the wall won't sag on you. Not saying the pilot isn't a skilled block layer but it's a very easy way to set a wall level....
Good one Shawn!

I found a good calculator and I am shocked at the task I am looking at

The structure I envision will be 14 feet wide and 16 feet deep and have 8 foot walls. The front will have what amounts to a 8 foot double door. The math is saying I need 488 16X8 blocks!!!!!!

Yea, that's like 500!!!!

Then 15 bags of mortar mix, 1.7 tons of sand and another 6 yards of concrete to pour the footers and fill the blocks solid.

I am estimating around $1650 to put up that wall!!!

Whoa, big cost and 500 blocks!!!

You should see my fingers now. No skin on two of them. I keep getting red stuff all over my sunday go to meetin' clothes, the truck, wife's dress, bible, food, toothbrush, dog, you name it.

What am I going to look like after 500 blocks

And, talking to Josh, the guy who is trucking in gravel starting tomorrow, I will be spending $450 a load for 26 tons of the stuff and I need several loads.

There goes several thousand buckeroos!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2016, 10:44:55 PM
Which leads me to another question

I came to the block wall conclusion before knowing the price.

I had actually conceived another much cheaper building technique.

Hang with me for a moment here, I'm going to stretch your building code limited imagination for a moment.

Down here you find locust and Cedar logs in the ground everywhere. They last about 80% of a good forever. Point numba 2: I was trying to keep the project as inexpensive as possible, with re-purposing things, and using old technologies

Point three: I have lotza pesky cedar trees.

I was thinking of standing up a row of cedar tree trunks which I would chain saw cut into more or less, flatter surfaces to create my box structure. I would wrap it with felt paper, add in drainage tile covered with gravel, then place sheets of that roofing panel all weather wave-form stuff onto the outside. Then back fill with dirt, and using a chain saw, cut the roof pitch into each side and mail on a standard 2 X 6 roof rafter, OSB sheeted, steel panel covering to complete the structure.

It would not look great on the inside, but, by golly, it should remain viable for decades, which is all I really need anyway.

So, anyone onboard with this goof-ball plan, or should I lay off the street pharmaceuticals?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 02, 2016, 10:55:40 PM
Sounds like you'd be okay with dropping the trailer into the existing basement.......snakes, nasty critters and moldy, slimy dank smells!  Not your best sounding plan there Don- functional, but I don't see your lovely wife snuggling up in there!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 11:04:15 PM
Couple thoughts, instead of tar paper & roofing material on outside of walls why not a tar solution like they used on old wooden boats? Second thought, shipping container $2500 or less anywhere in the country, take trailer and pickup then unload with sarge. Also look at military surplus auctions near Dayton, they used to sell smaller ones like half length......
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2016, 11:08:31 PM
Couple thoughts, instead of tar paper & roofing material on outside of walls why not a tar solution like they used on old wooden boats? Second thought, shipping container $2500 or less anywhere in the country, take trailer and pickup then unload with sarge. Also look at military surplus auctions near Dayton, they used to sell smaller ones like half length......
You know, Shawn...That just might be worth a look.

Not supposed to bury them but I could reinforce the walls

But not much height for mo-biggerer water tanks

But I think I will look into it, thanks!
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Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 11:11:19 PM
Bury it under ground, weld in cross bracing (think scrap steel from junk yard) it can be bought cheap in length & coated with good epoxy paint. Then if you need it taller for tanks use lumber build up taller side walls & cut holes in top. Slap roof on a viola!

Can be built way faster too!
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Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 11:15:16 PM
Epoxy 2 part paint called Tnemec, we used to use it on water & sewage steel tanks & parts. They use it on elevator floors. It's piss proof, being that if you're stranded in elevator & you gotta go. Urine is extremely acidic, this stuff is tough. I've hit it once cured with 5 # hammer & never nicked the paint....
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2016, 11:25:45 PM
Just checked around

Seems $1250 give or take for a 20 footer

I like that...Gotta admit, I never thought about that

I think I like the idea. Inexpensive, and most importantly, FAST!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 11:28:24 PM
Coat the exterior (after you weld in bracing) with that epoxy paint & it will last forever. We used those handheld electric airless sprayers from HD to spray the stuff FYI.

Back to the rebar & laying block, blacksmith I know built a chimney in his steel shop that way around 25' high so it works well. Something to think about if you ever build a proper house on said property......
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2016, 08:43:42 AM
Coat the exterior (after you weld in bracing) with that epoxy paint & it will last forever. We used those handheld electric airless sprayers from HD to spray the stuff FYI.

Back to the rebar & laying block, blacksmith I know built a chimney in his steel shop that way around 25' high so it works well. Something to think about if you ever build a proper house on said property......
I think I dreamt about this all night

Talk about a convoluted interconnected mess...kind of like the Hillary candidacy...

OK, to work I need somewhere to stay, the camper

To stay in the camper I need heat and water

To get water I'll need someway to keep it from freezing up ten minutes after I leave on day three

To keep it from freezing I could use Propane, as in my 500 or 1000 gal tank

But I also need a wee bit of electricity to power the thermostat and something that I invariably left on when I left

So a solar cell and a battery you say?

Not so fast, did you consider the ten consecutive cloudy days where there isn't much solar electrons being hatched?

Yea, so solar, at least a smallish solar system is out. A larger solar/wind system and batteries is much mo expensive

Then there's the question of keeping the water tank from freezing, but we aren't even considering that yet!

To get this working I'll still have to provide some dependable electron source, some water that isn't frozen and leaking through a bunch of cracks in chinese made PVC in my Indiana constructed paper mache camper.

Already too complex to wrap your Mark 1 brain around half way into cup Numba 1 of Java?

Yea meeee 2!

Then the light bub came on

Why donot I just get some contractor to dig the trench and hook up the electricity to the shed, then run a line out to the camper, then stick one of those Northern Tool oil heaters in it and just leave it on at say 48 degrees.

I get a bigger electric bill, which I can manage, but I keep stuff going through the cold months ah' comin'

Then I can get all the rest of the stuff done over time and disconnect from the grid when I get the holes I dug filled with all manner of things

Yup, that's what I'll do...Kool!

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on October 03, 2016, 09:06:29 AM
Do you really need running water during the winter?  Seems like an awful lot of work for something I think you could manage to get by without.  Every winter a group of us head up to the cabin for a week for deer season.  No running water there.  Truck in enough fresh water to drink and do some dishes.  Heat the water up on the stove or in your case you could use the microwave (no electricity at the cabin either).  Warm some more water up to wash yourself up at the end of the day so you don't stink to bad.  Sure at the end of the week you might stink a little and be ready to take a warm shower but its not that bad.  It just seems like a lot or work for a temporary fix that isn't really needed.  If your down for an extended period, or you have the women down and they just need to take a shower it wouldn't take that long to blow the pipes out with air and then dump a little anti-freeze in the p-traps or a few sinks.

Unless of course you have a larger plan for this structure in the future I am not aware of it seems like a lot of work and wasted time that could be better spend doing something else.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2016, 10:35:42 AM
Do you really need running water during the winter?  Seems like an awful lot of work for something I think you could manage to get by without.  Every winter a group of us head up to the cabin for a week for deer season.  No running water there.  Truck in enough fresh water to drink and do some dishes.  Heat the water up on the stove or in your case you could use the microwave (no electricity at the cabin either).  Warm some more water up to wash yourself up at the end of the day so you don't stink to bad.  Sure at the end of the week you might stink a little and be ready to take a warm shower but its not that bad.  It just seems like a lot or work for a temporary fix that isn't really needed.  If your down for an extended period, or you have the women down and they just need to take a shower it wouldn't take that long to blow the pipes out with air and then dump a little anti-freeze in the p-traps or a few sinks.

Unless of course you have a larger plan for this structure in the future I am not aware of it seems like a lot of work and wasted time that could be better spend doing something else.
I think I get a lot dirtier than you guys when you are hunting. FOr example, last week, after getting covered with chain saw dust and dirt, I was crawling in the dirt and mud under the building doing wiring.

I think getting clean and sleeping soundly in a clean bed is essential.

Plus on the odd nights, I get the boyz and the wife, so the camper needs to run like an apartment

And in the bigger picture, I see more than just me making their way there.

In the end I hope to use the camper for a family, the shed for another, and have two in the main house, or possibly three for down right survival, or a great thanksgiving or Christmas weekend.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Dawg25385 on October 03, 2016, 12:29:13 PM
Hey what about railroad ties for your wall?


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on October 03, 2016, 01:34:05 PM
So long term you plan to keep the trailer down there but I assume you would plan to have running water plumbed to it?  Unless I am missing something it seems to me you are building this structure for the sole purpose of water storage that you probably plan to upgrade in the future and no longer need.  Seems like wasted time and money to me.

I would think you could have the camper winterized in less than 5 minutes if you had a compressor handy to blow the lines out.  Sure it is 5 minutes every time you leave but you would be further ahead when you think about how much other work you could get done instead of spending a few weeks building and underground structure.

What is keeping you from getting the shed livable for winter?  You already have a heat source in there now.  You could throw the few grand you need to spend on your hole and put it into the shed and it seems to me like you would be further ahead.   That's just my opinion of the situation.

If the underground structure does have a use in the long term maybe it makes sense to do it now. 

In the SHTF scenario there might not be the luxury of a nightly shower.  You could make it a good team building exercise/ learning experience. 

If a warm/ wet washcloth isn't enough to wipe away the grime and you need a hot shower to sleep comfortably either your not working hard enough or your starting to get a little soft I think. :P
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on October 03, 2016, 01:34:36 PM
You do have a heat duct from the gas furnace going to the underbelly I would think. If so and you are using an oil filled heater to keep the inside from freezing, install a small fan to direct air to the cold air return of the gas furnace. Cover some of the heater vents so the warm air heads to the underbelly duct. Leave the cabinet doors open a bit where there is plumbing and hopefully that should keep the stuff down there from freezing unless it gets darn cold. You do still plan on putting some sort of skirting around the trailer for winter I hope.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
You do have a heat duct from the gas furnace going to the underbelly I would think. If so and you are using an oil filled heater to keep the inside from freezing, install a small fan to direct air to the cold air return of the gas furnace. Cover some of the heater vents so the warm air heads to the underbelly duct. Leave the cabinet doors open a bit where there is plumbing and hopefully that should keep the stuff down there from freezing unless it gets darn cold. You do still plan on putting some sort of skirting around the trailer for winter I hope.
I do plan to skirt it up after I get the plumbing installed and a conduit electric feed line from the shed.

The underground structure will house a water storage tank which just might suffice as the main unit for the camper, the shed, and the house to come.

I currenty have calls out to three folks on Craigslist selling a 2100 gal, a 2400, and a 5,000 gallon tank. One to two of them would fit in the underground shed thing, but for the short term, just transfereing 40 gal at a time into the belly tank of the camper will keep things hoppin' at the stead!

Oh, and good ideas on sending heat downward...darned good idea!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 03, 2016, 02:43:38 PM
Build walls around the camper to keep the heat inside


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2016, 02:48:48 PM
Build walls around the camper to keep the heat inside


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No, not doing that

It is perched on that hill with a beautiful view. It will be great to sit inside of it and drink the morning quoffee while gazing out over the valley

Oh, and just got a call back on a great water tank...Northwesco 2400 gallon 150" X 90" X 52" always stored inside, 5 years old, $1200...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Wilbur on October 03, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
Don if you're going there in the winter will you need a plow to get the road open? Not sure how much snow you guys get there.

See? I can spend your money almost as darn fast as you can?!!  :D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on October 03, 2016, 04:36:16 PM
Don, setting up a fan to move warmer air through the furnace to the underbelly was not my idea. That trick I learned from another RV forum some time ago, just passing along good information.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 03, 2016, 07:38:39 PM
I think you had it right Don. Run the electric and get it over with.   We plan for the worst but reality is you'll probably die of old age with your electric service functioning just fine.  Get that done first. Then take your time on the bunker. Even if Ken's girlfriend gets elected you got at least 5-10 years to get completely hardened.


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Don if you're going there in the winter will you need a plow to get the road open? Not sure how much snow you guys get there.

See? I can spend your money almost as darn fast as you can?!!  :D
We get cold and sometimes frequent snows, but not great accumulations. Maybe a foot or a bit more once or twice, but figure that I'd just wait that out anyway. It's not a big deal.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2016, 09:51:41 PM
I think you had it right Don. Run the electric and get it over with.   We plan for the worst but reality is you'll probably die of old age with your electric service functioning just fine.  Get that done first. Then take your time on the bunker. Even if Ken's girlfriend gets elected you got at least 5-10 years to get completely hardened.


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In 5-10 years, I might be completely hardened! ;-))
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
So I hit pay dirt on two of those water tanks.

The 2400 gallon one is an indoor install 5 years old at $1200

And I got a call on a spun fiberglass tank with an interesting story. The gentleman who has possession of it says it is new, as in NEW. His company purchased it then discovered that it was too big to get into the building so they discarded it!

It is a brand new 5,800 gallon monster.

Yep another huge tank measuring 11 feet long (tall) and ten feet in diameter!!!!!!

Raises the question once again about how I might possibly haul the thing from north of Cincy to the farm.

If I can, well that would just solve all my problems. Almost 6,000 gallons would be one heck of a hot shower!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 03, 2016, 10:26:13 PM
Put it on the trailer & take back roads. Don't need no stinking permits...... FYI bulky tarps help hide the size especially if they are loose & flapping. Once hauled two large pane tanks from Daniel Boone national Forrest area of MO to NE IN ;)

Edit: & I drove the interstates too...... ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on October 03, 2016, 10:37:51 PM
I'm sure you could abscond a hook to get it there...
Short of that Shawn has a pretty good idea.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on October 04, 2016, 02:55:37 AM
So I hit pay dirt on two of those water tanks.

The 2400 gallon one is an indoor install 5 years old at $1200

And I got a call on a spun fiberglass tank with an interesting story. The gentleman who has possession of it says it is new, as in NEW. His company purchased it then discovered that it was too big to get into the building so they discarded it!

It is a brand new 5,800 gallon monster.

Yep another huge tank measuring 11 feet long (tall) and ten feet in diameter!!!!!!

Raises the question once again about how I might possibly haul the thing from north of Cincy to the farm.

If I can, well that would just solve all my problems. Almost 6,000 gallons would be one heck of a hot shower!

Lot's of water right there. As for hauling I'm sure you can find someone local who can haul it. Someone always needs some work.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 07, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Been off grid the past 5 days
Doing a little proof of concept
So far, so good
Lots of stuff completed
Closing in on being electrified
I'll be back in the chick blocks tomorrow, try to do a big update...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
So, its been a full court press for me. Spent the past five days down there, came home last night and am leaving again in about two hours headed back down.

Breaking news is that winter is coming!

How did that happen?

So I am working full on trying to get the place electrified and the camper bedded in for the deep freeze. I plan to operate out of the RV all winter this time...no winterization for the kid.

Following the electric install which is well advanced, I will skirt up the camper in it's new location, figure out the water thing, insulate everything and when I'm satisfied, continue with the shed build out

Remember how I explained in the SquareD thread how all bones are interconnected and related?

Same rule applies here. To get the project moved along, I need to gravel in the whole area I will be using. Winter also begat mud!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:24:43 PM
This is the first 27 ton load going in on the freshly graded road
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
That product is known as dense grade, a material having 3/4" stone all the way down to dust. It is known to pack in well and provide for a great base for future over-layments

After spreading it some around the base rocks for the extending "Ranger-Wall" it looked like this
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:28:25 PM
Some of those stones weigh more than 100 pounds! Or 1000 pounds...Possibly 10,000 pounds???

The stuff also coats shoes pretty well
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:31:15 PM
While waiting on successive loads. I kept busy with mini projects.
The shed had done some settling of sorts. The floor joists moved as much as 1/2" away from the floor and wall plate, so i addressed that.

Using a 3 ton jack, and these nifty 5/16" structural screws, I put things right once more
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:33:20 PM
Those screws really pulled in tight. Before loosening pressure I screwed the wall plate into the band board and when lowering the jack all was good with shed life
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:35:13 PM
On the next load of gravel, the truck driver learned why I warn everyone not to venture down the "Road" to my place. A rock embedded in the side of the narrow escarpment sliced a big hole in the sidewall of one of his tires!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:38:08 PM
Nevertheless, DR from Insko trucking pressed on and laid a good pour up on the pad made for the camper

Pics show the end result after 22 tons of #57 gravel which I also spread with the tractor
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:40:18 PM
Next up I set a 4X4 post for the electrical box which will feed power to the camper
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:42:00 PM
All the while, I had been working on Ranger Wall, stretching it up to the north and building in the height as more and more Kentucky limestone yielded during the various excavations
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:43:58 PM
Getting ready to move the camper

and

having some fun wreckin' stuff
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:45:38 PM
I got the camper in just about when the next load of gravel showed up

This one was used to spread around the business end of the shed, again to avoid wading around in winter mud
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
This gravel really "Prettied" up things
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
I graveled in around Ranger's grave, the wood pile and future site of the new and improved fire pit
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:50:18 PM
The Camper will be my home, for, I am guessing, the next year, while I build up the shed. I think it sited fairly well. The morning quoffee view is so nice
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:53:33 PM
...And, no, the camper is not leveled out yet, just "approximated."

Now all the time I had been calling or meeting with various construction and electrical guys.

Good news is tomorrow bright and early, we start digging to lay in the conduit that gets me from the pole to my meter base.

While over at Lowes, I scored these two cool saw horses. Looking over them I added a few screws and a 2 X 6 sacrificial top
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:55:11 PM
I also added all these things to the camper, tidying it up and giving me more room to store stuff
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:57:59 PM
And of course this:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
Almost finished the wiring for the camper hook-up and an auxiliary 110VAC receptacle
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 03:00:28 PM
I got the sheet metal air gap installed around the wood stove
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 03:02:52 PM
I think that will need just a tad more and I'll be happy and call it done.

I ran out of time, but I had previously ordered these barn lights from Northern Tool.

looking at them, I do like them, but I am thinking that shade needs to be green...Thoughts?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 09, 2016, 03:04:15 PM
Driving back home late Saturday, I passed a local Mennonite church

Yup, they like all colors, provided those colors are black and white!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on October 09, 2016, 03:58:37 PM
Looks great Don!. I bet you're exited about staying through winter. I would be. (or maybe anxious would be the right word. lol)

....the ultimate camping trip!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on October 09, 2016, 04:13:01 PM
 Don, things are looking really nice down there. Two comments, the metal air gap for the stove, you might want to drill holes near the floor so the air can rise up and keep it cool between it an the wall. Second, once you get the trailer leveled up, I would block the frame up good but leave the slides unsupported. If things settle you don't want the slides to bind up and bend/break something. It sure does look good...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on October 09, 2016, 04:15:08 PM
Nice looking area
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 09, 2016, 04:40:57 PM
Mennonite, well there's the framing crew for the house build...... ;)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on October 09, 2016, 09:31:38 PM
Lookin good chief.
Setting at the cabin after trenching in my solar cables.
Will add it in once I get a bit further along.
Used the tractor so I'm not wore out.
But...it appears we may have up to a foot of snow on the way...
This was not on my plans for the weekend.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Mrwoody on October 09, 2016, 09:35:49 PM
I keep wondering why no insulation in the walls of the shed?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on October 09, 2016, 09:38:50 PM
I keep wondering why no insulation in the walls of the shed?
I'm with you.

Oh, the light shades should be green to match.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 09, 2016, 10:09:11 PM
I think the lights should be the same color as the accent on the shed.


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 10, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
Leave the lights be, they have a coating on them. He has more pressing things to attend to currently.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on October 10, 2016, 01:15:33 PM
Mennonite, well there's the framing crew for the house build...... ;)

Maybe the roofing crew too?  Around here atleast they can put new steel on a roof for near the same price you can purchase the material for.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 10, 2016, 09:46:21 PM
Another long but productive day.
I'll post the pics in a few days...
I have the meter base and all that wiring done now just waiting for a ditch which should happen tomorrow. I had a real electrician look over my work. He liked most of it and I am now working off the things he pointed out. It is all coming together as I continue to press to be ready for freezing temps
I installed the lights as is. The color looks ok

As for no insulation, there is definitely going to be some. No real need just now for the lower level in the shop area, but the living area will get all the goodies. Really I'm still piUtting in all the inside wall stuff so it's not time just yet...but I'm getting closer!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on October 10, 2016, 10:27:47 PM
Another long but productive day.
I'll post the pics in a few days...
I have the meter base and all that wiring done now just waiting for a ditch which should happen tomorrow. I had a real electrician look over my work. He liked most of it and I am now working off the things he pointed out. It is all coming together as I continue to press to be ready for freezing temps
I installed the lights as is. The color looks ok

As for no insulation, there is definitely going to be some. No real need just now for the lower level in the shop area, but the living area will get all the goodies. Really I'm still piUtting in all the inside wall stuff so it's not time just yet...but I'm getting closer!

Carry on Sir, carry on
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 11, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
Still at it
Have the schedule80 conduit in the trench and all hooked up to the meter base
Awaiting the electrical inspector
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on October 12, 2016, 10:33:34 AM
Trying to catch up this Don, just on page 2.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 10:01:04 AM
Don, things are looking really nice down there. Two comments, the metal air gap for the stove, you might want to drill holes near the floor so the air can rise up and keep it cool between it an the wall. Second, once you get the trailer leveled up, I would block the frame up good but leave the slides unsupported. If things settle you don't want the slides to bind up and bend/break something. It sure does look good...
good suggestions Bob!
I'm about to start the skirting project as I try and create a 4-season habitat out of this thing
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 10:01:45 AM
Trying to catch up this Don, just on page 2.
get at it man!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 13, 2016, 10:42:49 AM
Don, things are looking really nice down there. Two comments, the metal air gap for the stove, you might want to drill holes near the floor so the air can rise up and keep it cool between it an the wall. Second, once you get the trailer leveled up, I would block the frame up good but leave the slides unsupported. If things settle you don't want the slides to bind up and bend/break something. It sure does look good...
good suggestions Bob!
I'm about to start the skirting project as I try and create a 4-season habitat out of this thing

My father rigged up something similar to what Bob suggested skirting wise.  He built a frame well below the bottom of the trailer and then attached the skirting material to it with the upper lip outside the wall of the trailer so that it could "move" if settling occurred and used duct tape on trailer/skirting overlap to shed water without any permanent alteration to the exterior of the trailer.  Pink or blue foam board for insulation (pink is thicker?) worked for him.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 13, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
I personally think when Don builds that skirt er tactical cover it should double as a shelter like the first Lethal Weapon movie. Meaning the camper is gunna need a trap door too! ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 13, 2016, 01:28:18 PM
I personally think when Don builds that skirt er tactical cover it should double as a shelter like the first Lethal Weapon movie. Meaning the camper is gunna need a trap door too! ;D

I want to see him do the "Three Stooges" imitation then too!.........who's Don gonna pull off the outhouse seat to save them from the bomb?  Duane, Nate, Bobby......Ken?  ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 13, 2016, 01:43:43 PM
I personally think when Don builds that skirt er tactical cover it should double as a shelter like the first Lethal Weapon movie. Meaning the camper is gunna need a trap door too! ;D

I want to see him do the "Three Stooges" imitation then too!.........who's Don gonna pull off the outhouse seat to save them from the bomb?  Duane, Nate, Bobby......Ken?  ;D

Lol
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 06:48:57 PM
I see the natives have been restless...again...

Trap door...never thought of that ;-))

OK, just logged another 4.5 days down there. Still on the overtime to get electricity and some four season capability going on.

Let's play tools first.

In addition to increasing capability each and every time I show up down there, I have been adding in tools to effect that goal from a different direction.

Today Mr. Lenox shows up with a really cool and very strong hacksaw. Added a 24 tooth medium blade and I was off to the races
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 06:51:26 PM
But first...OSR (On Site Repair). Ever since I drove into the extended awning with the roll bar on the little Deere tractor, it buckles easily, and is pulling loose of the camper. With autumn windy conditions already here, I had to address the weakness
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
I decided to add in a simple and removable steel strut which I fashioned from electric conduit.

The main support is cracked and the next larger one is twisted. Both will have to be replaced, but for now this is doing the trick. I observed the struts standing up to some gusty winds and nothing broke further!

Yippee!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 06:57:13 PM
Next up, in goes the meter base. I hired an electrician to both install the base, and give me a pre-inspection. He did a great job on both!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 06:59:13 PM
The first thing he noticed was that ground wire bus I had installed.

With a 3-wire system it is not required. THe ground wires and the white neutral wires both get grounded to the neutral bus bars!

I fixed that in five minutes
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:01:03 PM
Next he found a 20 amp breaker on a 15 amp circuit which had 14-2 wire. So I swapped out the breaker and made that good.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:02:03 PM
Here the meter base and slip-joint connector has just been installed
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
And the top half of the ground wire system
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:04:05 PM
Here it is finished to this point and the 200 amp service cables installed
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:05:11 PM
The ground system consists of two long copper rods and a copper cable connecting all that to the ground in the box/base
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
While that was going on, I finished the electrical service service to the camper and added a 110VAC outlet for Christmas lights
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:07:49 PM
Since I have an inspection coming right up, it was back to filling all the blue boxes with wire and switches and outlets
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 13, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
The first thing he noticed was that ground wire bus I had installed.

With a 3-wire system it is not required. THe ground wires and the white neutral wires both get grounded to the neutral bus bars!

I fixed that in five minutes

I wondered about that..... never used them on any panels I've installed but figured it was the Tuck & I'm no electrician!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:09:26 PM
I added blocking behind the siding and bolted the exterior barn lights to the walls
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:11:24 PM
That Champion generator is holding up well. I am changing the oil often. Showing 628 hours in the pic, it now has nearly 650 hours
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:13:39 PM
Next, Steve showed up and dug the ditch and laid the schedule 80 conduit in it in prep for the service to get pulled from the pole
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:14:19 PM
Sled Dog approved
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:16:30 PM
Back to the shed, and the upstairs can lights got installed. I am using three of them. One at the head of the stairs, and two over the living area outside what will become the bathroom.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
Then I screwed in the remaining collar ties
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:21:28 PM
Then, wall by wall, I pulled the wire and installed the outlets
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:23:39 PM
The electrician also found several 15 amp outlets installed on a 20 amp circuit, so I dug in and replaced them.

You should see my fingers, or what is left of them!

The one with the "T" notch is rated at 20 amps
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:24:42 PM
Am also adding to the woodpile with every visit
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:26:42 PM
Wired the east wall which finished this visit.

Electrical due-outs: Rerun the wires int the can lights properly

Wire in the north and south upstairs wall with outlets

And of course add in the B-room electrics when that gets started
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 07:27:47 PM
SOB
(State of the Build) just before dity-mau today
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 13, 2016, 07:45:27 PM
Wow!  Lots to like everywhere you turn!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 13, 2016, 07:50:03 PM
What are your fingers all tore up from?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: nmeyer414 on October 13, 2016, 09:29:43 PM
Nice
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Post by: KensAuto on October 13, 2016, 10:05:59 PM
Man all of it looks great. Good job boss.


Shawn, he dug that trench by hand....didn't even have a shovel!!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on October 14, 2016, 08:00:27 AM
If/ when you install a second panel in a different building you would use the grounding bus there.  I have a 200 amp box in the basement of the house with power coming from the pole.  In the house neutrals and grounds go to the same bus. I buried a wire from the house to the detached garage.  There is a second 200 amp breaker box in the garage.  There the neutral goes to the main bus and the grounds would go to the bus you incorrectly installed.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 14, 2016, 08:53:35 AM
If/ when you install a second panel in a different building you would use the grounding bus there.  I have a 200 amp box in the basement of the house with power coming from the pole.  In the house neutrals and grounds go to the same bus. I buried a wire from the house to the detached garage.  There is a second 200 amp breaker box in the garage.  There the neutral goes to the main bus and the grounds would go to the bus you incorrectly installed.

Are you sure? My last shop same setup as you describe was not wired like that (meaning didn't have that extra grounding bar) but was fed from house main. I did however have a ground rod at the shop as well just a single not a double like the main feed panel.

Thinking out loud both are grounded to that same steel box (that is grounded to the ground rod) & with 120 it essentially acts as being double grounded anyhow. Why does it care where it's grounded to? Again I'm not an electrician but I've had inspections done on my work several times by licensed guys w/o issue.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on October 14, 2016, 09:06:34 AM
Honestly, I don't know.  That is just what my electrician told me to do.  When you install/ use the second bar there would also be a special set screw you would drive through the main neutral bar to ground it to the box.

Or maybe it is the other way around, you install the green set screw at the main panel an not the secondary.  That seems to make more sense but I'm not sure.  It has been a couple years since I did that work now.

A quick Google search tells you to bond the ground and neutral at the main but never to bond it at a secondary.

I was also told I needed two grounding rods at the garage just like I did at the house.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 14, 2016, 09:54:50 AM
Not sure on that whole grounding lug thing, two ground rods at shed is probably code. I do know that I had a conversation with an electrical savant (guy literally forgot more than most electrical engineers knew) once about ground rods. He said a lot of how those functions depends upon the soil type. Clay etc where I've always lived easily grounds out however he lived near Jacksonville FL for years where the soil was sand & they had issues with ground rods there.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on October 14, 2016, 10:24:18 AM
Had a guy tell me that the codes vary between areas. I guess in some places, you have to keep the neutral and ground bars seperate, in others you can drive that screw in to join them. I know it's another thing I'm not good at (household electrical)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: nmeyer414 on October 14, 2016, 11:07:19 AM
Maybe / hopefully dmaxdarren will drop a knowledge bomb on us all here in regards to proper electrical wiring configurations.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on October 15, 2016, 02:11:19 AM
Finally caught up with this.

Great progress there Don, looks great.

Is there room in the conduit for more wire? Always good to oversize for future runs.

I think somewhere way in the front we discussed using shipping containers. With how they stack those things a few feet of dirt won't hurt it at all, just don't bury it 30-40 ft down! You could also fill the sides with gravels to promote drainage or pore cement too.

Are you going to brace that chimney? Sure don't want a wind taking  that out.

Those screws you used are the same I used on my beam across the stairs with the 4x4. Basically made a 4x8 up there.

As for the tanks and keeping water fluid, ever thought of running tubes like geo-thermal with a small pump? Both moving the water and keeping it warm solves a couple issues.

OK, take a breath,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Waste for the trailer, don't hook the waste right to the septic. You need to let the tanks fill, then drain to keep them from drying out (been there done that). Other wise you need to change all the drains to direct feed vs going into the tanks.

You have been a busy man, but why are the fingers raw?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on October 15, 2016, 11:15:25 AM
Copy on all that info.

Fingers pulling, bending, scraping and looping wire...Death from a thousand paper cuts and all that

Am allowing waste tanks to fill, then dump

Water: Once I back it into the bank and back fill, the tank will be a defacto 6-8 feet underground. Should remain upper 40's to mid 50's in there naturally.

Thinking of using a heated hose to get the water to the camper.

Plans for the camper winterization just took a huge turn. With my breaking my foot and now completely immobile, I may be in a bit of trouble to even get there to drain the water and antifreeze.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on October 15, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
Plans for the camper winterization just took a huge turn. With my breaking my foot and now completely immobile, I may be in a bit of trouble to even get there to drain the water and antifreeze.

I'm sure with deer season in full swing Duane could take care of all that for you.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on October 15, 2016, 12:55:22 PM
It would take a long time to freeze all that. Underground at all will help.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on October 15, 2016, 01:31:15 PM
On the grounding and bonding topic, there are the national rules, and then there can be local ones as well. Depending on where and which panel, things are and can be different.
That is the short answer. Darren may have 'better' USA info, I'm going on how things are here.

Lots of progress, looking good.

Chief, on your foot and body unit, you're not a kid anymore...we seem to break easier with age.
Prayers for good news and a quick recovery.
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Post by: JR on October 15, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
I will attest to taking time to heal as we get older,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 15, 2016, 08:56:17 PM
NEC says that when you run a sub panel you separate the neutral and ground and you should have a local ground with an 8ft copper coated rod driven into the ground and connected to the grounding buss in the panel.


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Post by: stlaser on October 15, 2016, 10:04:57 PM
Just a single ground rod?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 15, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
As I recall, yes. Each sub panel should have its own ground rod


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Post by: stlaser on October 15, 2016, 11:25:07 PM
As I recall, yes. Each sub panel should have its own ground rod


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Yes, knew the subs needed at least one. However, thought someone said earlier they needed two per sub like a main.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 16, 2016, 08:25:37 AM
That would be news to me Shawn. My mains at both houses only have one. Might depend on soil type?
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Post by: stlaser on October 16, 2016, 09:37:04 AM
Seem to recall first house I built needed two & they needed to be 8' or 10' apart in good grounding clay soil.
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2016, 11:55:03 AM
On the grounding and bonding topic, there are the national rules, and then there can be local ones as well. Depending on where and which panel, things are and can be different.
That is the short answer. Darren may have 'better' USA info, I'm going on how things are here.

Lots of progress, looking good.

Chief, on your foot and body unit, you're not a kid anymore...we seem to break easier with age.
Prayers for good news and a quick recovery.
Whose not young?

I know you're not talkin about me!

I'll do fine...Just call this some unexpected training opportunity.

Getting that toe pulled back in place reminded me of the beatings at the SERE school!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2016, 11:57:53 AM
Just a single ground rod?
They required me to install two ground 8' ground rods. We just laid them into the ditch. From what I can find out you don't achieve a decent ground with the , ground for about 7 years. Takes some long term chemical reaction which creates an acidic reaction to properly "Ground" the thing.
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2016, 12:04:44 PM
Well all this new found seat time has allowed me to research a host of stuff.

First up is the winterizing or making a 4-season home out of a camper.

I will be constructing a skirt from 2" foar insulation board which I will joint tape with aluminum duct tape and reinforce with a 2X2 and 2X4 frame.

Next I ordered all LED bulbs for the trailer to reduce electrical needs. Next I scored some vent covers and finally ordered some 3M window film. You attach that to the inside of the window frame, creating a air chamber which insulates those heat sinks.

Then onto the water thing. I am thinking about heat taping the pipes on the underside and purchasing this electrically heated water supply hose
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Post by: JR on October 16, 2016, 05:08:53 PM
I like the foam skirt idea, never crossed my mind!

FYI for the solar guys. My 4k watt system made just over 6k yesterday in the rain and clouds. This time of year is normally 10k as I have tree that blocks the direct sun until around 1400. Today it has made 3k already in with rain at 1400. A good day in the summer is 25k+ with the sun angle better.
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2016, 10:22:55 AM
JR, is yours a grid tied system?

Or

Does it charge up a bank of batteries?

I spent the day reading about this stuff, and I now know a bunch more than I did before.

I see the need for some pretty hefty battery storage.

Batteries are pretty expensive, especially when you are talking dedicated Solar batteries or a fork lift battery.

So with 4-6 265 watt panels and a host of batteries, which after learning much more, I think I'll set up as a 48 volt system, I'll easily have 10K-15K in the system.

Now I plan to also have wind turbines. There is almost never not a breeze running across that ridge. So, plug in a couple 1500 watt generators spinnin' in the breeze and I think I could go off grid easily.
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Post by: BobbyB on October 17, 2016, 12:41:48 PM
If you build a house on there, you going to go the geothermal stuff or ?
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2016, 01:50:14 PM
If you build a house on there, you going to go the geothermal stuff or ?
No, I'd keep it simple
I think I'd use an outside wood burning boiler to heat with

I'd sink part of the house underground and go to simple AC to cool the above grade rooms.

Always considering the EMP aspect, I'd like to avoid too much reliance on electronics.

The Solar power stuff is pushing it, but I thought if I grounded it all well, and kept the control room in a sort of Faraday cage, I might beat a low level EMP event.
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Post by: JR on October 17, 2016, 03:16:58 PM
I have both. My current system is grid tie and shuts down when the grid is down, kinda stupid.

The system I am installing now ( I will do a thread) is a grid tie system but it has a 1500watt output when the system is down. It is an SMA inverter.

Neither do my any good at night, but I have 3 gens and am looking at some batteries for backup.

As for emp you can charge right off the panels, but it is not regulated. Both the panels and the batteries should not be affected by EMP. Just a diode and wires.

Maybe you should look at a trencher for the tractor to run some lines underground? Think of all the uses for that!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2016, 07:05:47 PM
Today Keith and I built "Henderson Range" a rifle and pistol range we put up on my property facing west

At the start of the day it was all Sarge as many more cedars met their demise
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2016, 07:15:51 PM
Then after many hours of digging, pushing trees, and contouring and dressing with the box blade, the thing was all shaped in.

We built it big enough for around fifteen shooters. We cut in a flat spot, slightly below grade back maybe 15 feet from the berm for the close in pistol drills. The dirt berm is all tracked in and stands six feet tall and is at least that thick.

From here, we will punch a bunch of holes with the post hole auger and place 4" PVC about 4" proud of the ground. THat way, one can slide a 2 X 4 into the pvc tube, then staple their target or a piece of plywood to it.

I'll hang some steel plates here and there so that we can practice engaging multiple targets.

Why Henderson Range you ask?

All this was Keith's idea, to build this combo-range. He is a Marine. Archibald Henderson was the very first Marine in the US in the 1700's. We honor the Marine Corps with this range.

In addition to the pistol portion, we are building a table/rest with a roof back at almost exactly 200 meters. We will follow with a smaller backstop at 25 meters, and 100 meters for now. Keith wants to expand it to many targets with painted letter labels so an instructor can tell a shooter to engage Bravo, then Kilo then Juliet, then Sierra, and so forth to get some real exercise going on!

Gonna be fun!

Keith put the first rounds into the berm mauling some dirt clods with JHP 230gr .45 auto from a Glock 30
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
The camera buggered up on me, so no mo' pics...sorry folks!

Anyway, the ball got pushed a long ways down the field today

The electrical wiring is complete and just awaiting inspection and hookup! Whew!

With that, I can keep the camper alive in the coming deep freeze (I hope).

As soon at this boot thing comes off, or I can actually walk again, then the skirt is going on to really help me keep old man winter at bay.
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Post by: KeithB on October 28, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
It was a great day of fellowship and work. More like fun instead of work. When you get to run equipment all day and have a finished product at the end, that's fun.
 Can't wait to get more done on the range then do some drills.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on October 28, 2016, 09:24:41 PM
Keith, are you saying you got to do the work along with trying to keep Don out of the way and from getting hurt?
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Post by: stlaser on October 28, 2016, 09:30:43 PM
Keith, are you saying you got to do the work along with trying to keep Don out of the way and from getting hurt?

The way I hear it HH6 does this all the time....... just the way I heard it told  ;D
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Post by: nmeyer414 on October 29, 2016, 09:32:42 AM
well we already figured he has the old part going against him, then the pilot aspect is another ding, and now he is crippled from trying to show off for the youngins............whats next....ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2016, 10:25:37 AM
Keith, are you saying you got to do the work along with trying to keep Don out of the way and from getting hurt?

The way I hear it HH6 does this all the time....... just the way I heard it told  ;D
Check your sources...You heard wrong!
;-)
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2016, 10:26:27 AM
well we already figured he has the old part going against him, then the pilot aspect is another ding, and now he is crippled from trying to show off for the youngins............whats next....ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Healin'

and

Gettin' right back at it

That's what!
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Post by: nmeyer414 on October 29, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
Lol
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Post by: stlaser on October 29, 2016, 12:46:18 PM
DOT nation I was referencing is hard at work......
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Post by: nmeyer414 on October 29, 2016, 01:31:42 PM
;D
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Post by: BobbyB on October 29, 2016, 04:49:22 PM
almost exactly 200 meters. We will follow with a smaller backstop at 25 meters, and 100 meters for now.

Actual ranged confirmed distance?
Actual meters or really yards but the usage of meter is stuck in your head?
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2016, 04:52:17 PM
almost exactly 200 meters. We will follow with a smaller backstop at 25 meters, and 100 meters for now.

Actual ranged confirmed distance?
Actual meters or really yards but the usage of meter is stuck in your head?
Yep

Measured it on goggle earth. Depending on where I place the shooters bench (Compromise between a nice flat spot and where mama says, 200-215 meters.
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Post by: JR on October 29, 2016, 04:56:44 PM
Close enough. I doubt real targets will be stopping at your set ranges.

Now you just need moving targets!
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on October 29, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
Close enough. I doubt real targets will be stopping at your set ranges.

Now you just need moving targets!

That is true, but if you don't know the range you are shooting you can not set the scope right either ;) Moving target, that is why full auto is good.
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Post by: JR on October 29, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
I almost bought a bump fire stock yesterday. Just $130 now.

I love moving targets,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:28:46 PM
Got some more done today. Keith helped again on the Archibald Henderson Range.

We had cut enough 18" long sections of 4" PVC to set in eight shooting lanes with each target having a left and right post to which we would attach either plywood or Cardboard to which targets could be fastened.

So we started off punching out the first hole...I hit lots of pesky rocks...
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:32:13 PM
This was the maiden voyage for the auger I purchased this past summer. It is a brute. I ran it at idle most of the time and while running that auger the tractor's engine never seemed to notice

Next we tried to drill the other matching hole, 24" away

No dice...went down a few inches and hit a big rock

So we moved to the other side and managed to drill another 6" deep hole

So back to the original spot but aft about a foot. Same deal, made it maybe 6 inches and the auger came to rest on a big rock

So this backed us up and caused a rethink of the plan
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:34:18 PM
The new plan called for one pole in the center of the range, then another left and right of center, 22.5 feet.

So we punched those and actually got the two holes sunk in to sufficient depth!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:39:02 PM
It took a bit but we now have five tubes sunken in place.

The end tubes are angled slightly outward and will only hold dead-men anchors. The center and left and right wing piles will support a double 3/16" aircraft cable. The cable will anchor and be tightened with a turn buckle on the left and right anchor points.

We will make up Plywood panels or steel frames or something to hang on the cables.

The beauty of that is I can have a couple hanging, or set up 15 or perhaps more when I entertain the guys on a weekend shoot-em-up get together while the chili is ah-cookin'
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
So, the range will be 45 feet wide from pole to pole for normal target placement. We plan to add in some steels as well here and there to practice multiple target engagement and team shooting drills.

Also still to come are targets at 25 and 100 meters, and possibly a 50 and 75 yard plinker as well for the rim fire guyses

Next we started punching holes back at 200 meters for the shed roof that will shelter the shooters bench which will make its appearance shortly.

We had another big success out there today. THe wiring was inspected by the state inspector and passed. I am cleared to get the power company to inspect the ditch and if approved, then they will hook me up to shore power.

In eager anticipation of all this, I took advantage of the preseason Northern Tool heater sale. I picked up one of those upright oil filled units and a cozy little hot wire room warmer upper! She will appreciate that (If I can ever get her to go down there!)
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:49:42 PM
Oh, and the CAR-Rep:

Which is actually a CAR-Rep (-) this time

We stopped working early when I didn't have a replacement shear pin on site...Yea...
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Post by: JR on November 02, 2016, 08:00:40 PM
I think a shear pin is normal, not actual CAR.

Weather looks good,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
I think a shear pin is normal, not actual CAR.

Weather looks good,,,,,,,,,,
OK, I can go with that

Was why I came up with the Carnage-minus rating.

Isn't this fun!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:35:01 PM
Spent another day pushing this project along

The Power Company inspected the underground conduit, and approved same. I am in Queue to be hooked up...And none too soon! Last night the temp got down to 35F, and in a few days we will hit freezing and start to kill everything water filled in the camper.

The new electric heaters are killin' it. They work great!

This one is the hot oil heater and will carry the lion-share of the heating duties. I got this bad boy for less than $40 and another smaller 1300 watt forced air unit for the bedroom
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:37:36 PM
And what about timing. Would you know it...Last night the propane furnace in the camper grenaded and stopped working. THis morning I decided to tear it out and cart it home to find out what went wrong and repair it if i can

It was really wedged in there and took some wrestling to get out
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:39:15 PM
I do not like how flimsy that cabinetry is and how difficult it was to remove. I am going to build my own grill assembly and improve on what they started with.

This thing was really tucked in there
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:40:35 PM
I had to tear out the outside grill and looking into the exhaust, noticed wasps had build a nest inside it!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:41:49 PM
Its coming out...

I recorded the connections for reference when reinstalling it
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:42:54 PM
And it's out of there!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
I inspected it, looking to figure out why it was vibrating so much. In a minute I found the problem. About six of so fan blades are missing from the squirrel cage blower and the spokes are cracked.

I should be able to just replace the blower fan part and reassemble and drive on!

Then I installed those Chinamen manufactured LED bulbs and guess what

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT ONE!!!!!!!

Chinese junk!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:47:31 PM
So I ran most of the rest of the power line from the camper to the shed but ran out of 90 degree fittings D@)*!#!! it!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:49:31 PM
That line will be buried in time after the structures go up in that excavation

With that completed as far as I could get, I put up the first two of four posts that will support a roof overhead of the shooting bench which will rest there shortly
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2016, 10:52:11 PM
Yea, they are a bit rough looking at the moment, but I'll fix them right up in time

The Chevy still looks right at home and is running great.

BTW that 5W-40 Amsoil oil that I changed to really is delivering better mileage. Driving to/from the farm today, I averaged 18.3 which included an extended idle stop waiting in line at Micky D's to get that vanilla shake!
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Post by: Mrwoody on November 05, 2016, 11:57:57 PM
Big D,
For whatever reason most of the LED bulbs are polarized,
Meaning if they don't work,
Pull  Them and rotate 180 deg
 Had that happen several times
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Post by: JR on November 06, 2016, 12:55:51 AM
I had the same issue with my LEDs, backwards! Can't believe all don't work even china man made.

CMax looks good. You will feel as I did watching the sami roll away today.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
Big D,
For whatever reason most of the LED bulbs are polarized,
Meaning if they don't work,
Pull  Them and rotate 180 deg
 Had that happen several times


I did!

I pulled each bulb then rotated it 180 degrees then plugged it back in and not a single one worked!

I tested the socket with an incadescent bulb afterward and they all worked

No, these bulbs all failed, as in 100%

So it has me thinking...Are they meant for 115 VAC and not 12VDC or something like that? Is it a frequency thing? I was on generator power, not an inverter type, so the voltage varies...Could that be it?

Whatever it was, each bulb failed and about half of them twisted free of the base as in BROKE from the twisting force

What I think:

Chinese junk!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2016, 08:28:06 AM
JR, I no longer think C-Max is going anywhere.

I prayed over this and got zero movement.

I trust the Lord's judgement

Seems he is saying "Keep it."

At least for now

I think I will find a way to pick up a newer power wagon but I sure would like to keep the Chevy as well. It gets such fuel milage, is super smooth to drive and tows effortlessly.

It is a perfect farm truck
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Post by: JR on November 06, 2016, 02:56:20 PM
It would be hard to let it go. Been a solid truck for you and it is personalized to the hilt.
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Post by: KensAuto on November 06, 2016, 09:03:53 PM
Don, these have been holding up well. I've only had one out of 25 (or so) fail. They work better in rv style lights because they focus all of the light outwards....and they pivot for directional adjustment.

https://www.amazon.com/Gold-Stars-92111805-Natural-Replacement/dp/B00FSG8224/ref=sr_1_29?ie=UTF8&qid=1478484002&sr=8-29&keywords=921+light+bulbs+led+rv+250+lumen
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Post by: kampfitt on November 07, 2016, 04:45:10 AM
I used M4 Products LED bulbs in our camper. More money but no duds and you can tell the quality. These are the ones I got and am very happy with them.
http://www.m4products.com/921-10-5630-cw-cool-white-elite-series-wedge-base-with-brighter-samsung-5630-leds/
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 07, 2016, 09:05:55 AM
^^^^ Those are really expensive!

I was buying them as around $2 a bulb. I think I purchased thirty odd bulbs. At the costs of these things I'd be well over $300!

That puts it over the hump of cost/value and into the no buy category...
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Post by: stlaser on November 07, 2016, 02:15:16 PM
^^^^ Those are really expensive!

I was buying them as around $2 a bulb. I think I purchased thirty odd bulbs. At the costs of these things I'd be well over $300!

That puts it over the hump of cost/value and into the no buy category...

$2 a bulb that no worky...... So currently you're in the hole & I'm
havinging trouble following the comparison. $60 and none work or more money & they will work.... ???
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 07, 2016, 02:53:30 PM
That's another reason I buy from Amazon. Generous return policy.


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 07, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
I'm still processing what I should do about this. Honestly I've never seen an instance where all of the product was deficient.

Normally that points to another problem

If I had to guess, I'd say quality of the signal or voltage.

Coming from a generator which is not an inverter unit, it is not always on 60 cycles. Looking at the digital meter on the unit it varies and hunts around the 59 cycle point. I doubt that a variance of that (small) magnitude could cause what I am seeing, but who knows?

I will hold fast as I have bigger fish to fry.

Just got in a shipment of a bunch more winterizing stuff which I will get installed as I push toward getting the thing skirted and ready for a full winter of usage.
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Post by: KensAuto on November 08, 2016, 08:50:00 AM
Probably voltage. ...or should I say ..lack of.
Jumping one of them to your truck battery would confirm.
I read somewhere that some of those need 13 volts to work.

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Post by: JR on November 08, 2016, 09:37:42 AM
Maybe you had a surge that blew them all, makes sense as they need 3-5v for the led to work. But a test on another 12v source is a good start.
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Post by: kampfitt on November 08, 2016, 11:34:45 AM
Don do you still have battery hooked up in the camper? The converter in these campers are terrible for voltage output, they require the battery to act as a sink to stabilize the 12 volts out.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2016, 11:39:59 AM
Don do you still have battery hooked up in the camper? The converter in these campers are terrible for voltage output, they require the battery to act as a sink to stabilize the 12 volts out.
Well, there's something!

The battery is stone cold dead!

The moment I take away the shore power, everything dies.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: EL TATE on November 08, 2016, 12:19:08 PM
This is why I love this place. before you go dropping $300 in new led bulbs someone chimes in w/ a solid possible cause and bam! Answers!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 08, 2016, 01:21:14 PM
Bingo, we have a winner!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
Yea...

I like how we seem to attract folks who actually know something

and

How they seem to be johnny-on-the-spot with the correct solution!

Danka

New battery on the way!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 08, 2016, 04:01:56 PM
That battery, was it old, or just not maintained properly? You need to look at the battery once in a while as it is an important part of the trailer. If not a sealed type, they do need a drink of water a few times a year. Keep the connections cleaned up and try not to drain them below about 50% charge before recharging.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2016, 05:25:29 PM
That battery, was it old, or just not maintained properly? You need to look at the battery once in a while as it is an important part of the trailer. If not a sealed type, they do need a drink of water a few times a year. Keep the connections cleaned up and try not to drain them below about 50% charge before recharging.
I'd say I paid no attention to it, other than placing a 30 watt solar panel on it to keep it topped off

It looks pitiful!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on November 09, 2016, 01:54:02 AM

I'd say I paid no attention to it, other than placing a 30 watt solar panel on it to keep it topped off

It looks pitiful!

Do we need to start having motorpool mondays?

Nate 5988E time!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 09, 2016, 03:20:52 AM
I take mine off the charger sometimes and run it down a little.

Time for a couple 6v cart batteries there. Then as you add other things around the farm you have the same stuff.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 16, 2016, 02:26:10 PM
Awful quiet D.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: EL TATE on November 16, 2016, 06:19:49 PM
He's fending off the homestead from cattle rustlers and other theivin' varmints. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQGGQ-FCe_w
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 16, 2016, 06:24:23 PM
Yup, partially correct.......you know Don; like any busy cowboy, he's got lots of irons in the fire!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:27:39 PM
Oh, crap, didn't post up my latest work detail down there!

I'll get right on it
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:32:14 PM
This all happened last week.

I filled in the trench after removing all the rocks, then graded that whole area. Afterward I spread grass seed all over the excavation and called that one done.

Next we set the last two poles for the coming roof over the shooting table. I think I will build in a sand box area as well for prone shooting and throw in some sand bags for my grunt friends so they feel more at home.

While all that was going on, it was opening day of deer season. A friend took two doe on my "Back 40." In the field adjoining that one in a matter of maybe five minutes some other guys took a nice 10 pointer, a 4 pointer and another doe. So five deer taken on that day, and I can say that hardly made a dent. Me...Not shooting just yet.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:33:28 PM
I ordered the blower squirrel cage from a local RV place and got busy tearing down the malfunctioning furnace.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
That's a Suburban 30,000 BTU unit there and pretty spendy. I think they retail over $800 but can be hd for just under $500 if you shop. The total cost for me repairing this one was $27!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:37:30 PM
Looking at it I figured out what happened. I remember the unit was purring right along keeping me warm and toasty. Then the generator quit, causing the furnace to immediately shutdown. You can see that the fire must have continued to burn for awhile with no cooling air running about. That concentrated heat melted a bunch of the fins and caused the imbalance which led to the thing grenading
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:38:54 PM
Pulling down the air handler gave me access to pull out the wasp nest which had also taken up residence

I covered the intake/exhaust ports with a RV specific insect screen to prevent a future occurance
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:42:12 PM
I reinstalled it and test ran it for a time. It is back to it's nearly silent "whurring" sound and puttin' out the BTU's

This is a good thing and a big step forward, as it easily maintains the camper in a cozy state with outside temps in the 30's as it was that weekend.

With the camper skirted up as it will be this week, I think I can make an attempt at using it all winter. I'll add some aux heat source to warm the underbelly where all the water is. Once that is done we could actually live in that thing if the millennials actually managed to slow things up!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2016, 07:49:39 PM
The local power company has yet to hook my shed up to the pole (GUURRRRRRR...) so I guess I'll have to call them again and grovel and beg again!

All this is very motivating to get completely off the grid and makin' my own electrons!

Oh and the stove in the shed is like W AAA Y too big. THat thing will flat out cook you in that place if you let it. We tossed in some locust logs and shortly afterward, the thermometer was pointing to 700 degrees!!!!!!

I need to install a damper in the exhaust pipe and seal it better with some high temp silicone, as we did have a hint of smoke while running it.

I have to say I am pretty pleased with how things are going at the moment. We actually do have a place to dity-mau to which has some water, sustainable heat in pretty good shelter, and hit and miss electrical capacity

Oh and my farm seems to be populating itself with critters. Believe it or not we have four beef cattle hanging out there. The chocolate brown puppies. I don't know who owns them, but he must not be missing them and they seem pretty comfortable hanging out at the goldfish pond.

Oh and the coyotes are starting to hang in pretty close, so I'm thinking murderous thoughts about them...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 16, 2016, 09:10:54 PM
Ooooh, a formal range set-up......not that I minded sitting a straddle cedar logs and all whilst taking your Springfield for a spin!  Hope to have my AR10 together well before the next visit and let you "review" it as a point/counterpoint to Bobby's, if we can arrange a meet-n-shoot this winter/spring!

Stove situation might be a pain - small fires build more creosote if you can't get it hot enough to warm the flue and draw.....I guess you're gonna have opened windows for "fresh air" this winter!

Would never have thought that the furnace would have been that hot to melt the squirrel cage without air movement to that extent!  Usually the battery would have kept the system going just fine, but being toast like I remember you mentioning previously would explain why!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 16, 2016, 11:00:59 PM
Well fresh air won't hurt, just glad it isn't to small.

I keep a little space heater in my TH for the winter so it doesn't get really cold in there since we watch movies in there time to time. That should work well under yours plus the fan will keep the air moving a little.

Did I see leaf springs in that pic above?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 17, 2016, 08:30:12 AM
Well fresh air won't hurt, just glad it isn't to small.

I keep a little space heater in my TH for the winter so it doesn't get really cold in there since we watch movies in there time to time. That should work well under yours plus the fan will keep the air moving a little.

Did I see leaf springs in that pic above?
You did my concentration camp livin-in friend!

Those are the "new" (25 years old) leaves going in the front spring pack of Squareness...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 17, 2016, 08:39:46 AM
Ooooh, a formal range set-up......not that I minded sitting a straddle cedar logs and all whilst taking your Springfield for a spin!  Hope to have my AR10 together well before the next visit and let you "review" it as a point/counterpoint to Bobby's, if we can arrange a meet-n-shoot this winter/spring!

Stove situation might be a pain - small fires build more creosote if you can't get it hot enough to warm the flue and draw.....I guess you're gonna have opened windows for "fresh air" this winter!

Would never have thought that the furnace would have been that hot to melt the squirrel cage without air movement to that extent!  Usually the battery would have kept the system going just fine, but being toast like I remember you mentioning previously would explain why!
I'd like to see you and some of the other knot-heads that lurk here down there in the winter, or spring, or summer or fall.

This time you'll have a bench to shoot from and a building with lights

and a pretty crapper!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on November 17, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
This time you'll have a bench to shoot from and a building with lights

and a pretty crapper!

Getting sorta sophisticated.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 17, 2016, 09:42:12 AM
This time you'll have a bench to shoot from and a building with lights

and a pretty crapper!

Getting sorta sophisticated.

A Marine got involved


He saw an unused strip of land...

The rest is history!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: nmeyer414 on November 17, 2016, 11:12:59 AM
Did you actually install the privy that you built........!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 17, 2016, 11:15:54 AM
Haven't shot a deer in years nor had venison.

What batteries did you get?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 17, 2016, 11:55:54 AM
Did you actually install the privy that you built........!

We are not privy to that information......... :D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 17, 2016, 03:32:09 PM
Thats a Crappy way of putting it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 17, 2016, 03:37:07 PM
I can't get a hole dug to save my butt!

Tried to get Duane down there since spring to get it dug...he struck out. Then actually had a hoe on property and asked him. He had to leave for another job and I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. Asked a concrete guy to punch a hole, put a 36" pipe in it and top it with a nice concrete pad. He must have fallen into a parallel universe cause I haven't heard from him either.

Now, I can't hand dig it because of all the big rocks. I don't own a back hoe or excavator (yet) so I can't do it. No one wants to work for money. I was thinking of waiting for lightening to strike and burn a hole...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on November 17, 2016, 03:42:20 PM
Can you rent a mini excavator for a day?  It cost me about $300 to rent one for 24 hours a few years back.  I had to dig up the septic system to repair the outlet pipe that had rotted and collapsed onto itself causing everything to back up into the basement.  Easily dug that hole and cleaned up a few other things that day.

I'm sure you could find a few things to use it for while you had it.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 17, 2016, 03:47:39 PM
I can't get a hole dug to save my butt!


Now thats a pun,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 17, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
I can't get a hole dug to save my butt!

Tried to get Duane down there since spring to get it dug...he struck out. Then actually had a hoe on property and asked him. He had to leave for another job and I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. Asked a concrete guy to punch a hole, put a 36" pipe in it and top it with a nice concrete pad. He must have fallen into a parallel universe cause I haven't heard from him either.

Now, I can't hand dig it because of all the big rocks. I don't own a back hoe or excavator (yet) so I can't do it. No one wants to work for money. I was thinking of waiting for lightening to strike and burn a hole...

Get that TNT permit yet? We could blow a hole thru them rocks!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 17, 2016, 10:57:16 PM
Is the outhouse going to be uphill from the pond and the well????????
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on November 17, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
Is the outhouse going to be uphill from the pond and the well????????
Very relevant and important point here!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 17, 2016, 11:19:48 PM
You know it always flows downhill even without the military in charge.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cruizng on November 18, 2016, 08:15:32 AM
I can't get a hole dug to save my butt!

Tried to get Duane down there since spring to get it dug...he struck out. Then actually had a hoe on property and asked him. He had to leave for another job and I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. Asked a concrete guy to punch a hole, put a 36" pipe in it and top it with a nice concrete pad. He must have fallen into a parallel universe cause I haven't heard from him either.

Now, I can't hand dig it because of all the big rocks. I don't own a back hoe or excavator (yet) so I can't do it. No one wants to work for money. I was thinking of waiting for lightening to strike and burn a hole...

Duane won't loan you his Kubota BX25? is he afraid of your normal carnage?  ::)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: nmeyer414 on November 18, 2016, 09:40:12 AM
I can't get a hole dug to save my butt!

Tried to get Duane down there since spring to get it dug...he struck out. Then actually had a hoe on property and asked him. He had to leave for another job and I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. Asked a concrete guy to punch a hole, put a 36" pipe in it and top it with a nice concrete pad. He must have fallen into a parallel universe cause I haven't heard from him either.

Now, I can't hand dig it because of all the big rocks. I don't own a back hoe or excavator (yet) so I can't do it. No one wants to work for money. I was thinking of waiting for lightening to strike and burn a hole...

Duane won't loan you his Kubota BX25? is he afraid of your normal carnage?  ::)

I think we have a winner right here
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 18, 2016, 11:36:46 AM
I can't get a hole dug to save my butt!

Tried to get Duane down there since spring to get it dug...he struck out. Then actually had a hoe on property and asked him. He had to leave for another job and I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. Asked a concrete guy to punch a hole, put a 36" pipe in it and top it with a nice concrete pad. He must have fallen into a parallel universe cause I haven't heard from him either.

Now, I can't hand dig it because of all the big rocks. I don't own a back hoe or excavator (yet) so I can't do it. No one wants to work for money. I was thinking of waiting for lightening to strike and burn a hole...

Duane won't loan you his Kubota BX25? is he afraid of your normal carnage?  ::)
Probably!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:33:58 AM
I may be slow with this broken foot, but at least I do poor work!

Yep, slow me is, but I forged ahead with skirting up the camper in preparation for working and loving out of it all winter when I'm "Farmin'"

Man it was a chilly day. Temps ranged in and around freezing with a 16-20mph wind. That had two effects. It kept us pretty cold, and it made sails out of the foam board I had chosen to use as the skirting material.

Some notes on the rigid foam board insulation. I chose the DOW product, formular which comes in several densities. The basis stuff is  "150", followed by 250, and I think 450. The latter is strong enough to stand on with a saw horse at either end and is considered structural. The 150 stuff is typical of what you see used in home construction.

I chose a 1.5" board which boasts a R-7 insulating value and is pretty stiff. You can see it's a chunk:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:40:12 AM
The electricity is all but hooked up to the shed, which translates to my having power to the camper for a 24/7 heater unit os some sort.

But looking at the camper, which is a box on wheels designed to have wind flow all around and under it, it qualifies as a pretty decent heat sink. The type that gets rid of the heat you actually want to keep.

I have read enough to note that simply skirting the unit and eliminating the underside air flow goes a long way toward keeping the footsies warmer (And the pipes from bursting)

We started the project with a breakfast of bear-claws and apple fritters...Then we passed out from sugar overload and got started later on...

After the early morning nap we decided to lower and level the trailer. We removed the wheels and set the axles on 16 X 8 blocks with some cribbing. That got it lower and more stable, a good starting point
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:41:53 AM
We leveled it in the longitudinal axis but kept the south side about 1/2" higher to allow for settling. That side rests on the fill dirt that I tracked in during the summer
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:43:50 AM
The other support points were also bedded in with blocks worked down into the gravel
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:46:34 AM
I didn't have them at the moment but I will be adding four more scissors jacks next week outboard of the axles so that I get a very solidly supported structure in the unlikely event of some fat millennial visiting.

The foam board is neatly cut with a swift "Karate chop" if you are a ninja, or with a standard saw if you are a lesser man.

We are lesser men, so we used the saw
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:50:54 AM
The piece is cut into a parallelogram to fit the fall of the ground (Nothing in the Kintucky is level or flat)

Then worked up under the apron skirt. We started with laying in a PT 2 X 4 and hammering in 1/2" X 12" spikes we cut from rebar to anchor the bottom.

The pre-Ranger is in the process of:

1. knocking dents into the foam panel
2. Smashing his hand
3. Smashing his foot
4. Hitting his hand again
5. Asking dad to show him how to do it
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:52:43 AM
After taping the top with the aluminum duct tape and back filling with gravel, I realized I did not need to use the 2 X 4's as the gravel does a pretty smart job of holding that stuff right where you want it to remain.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:54:11 AM
It's sort of a jig-saw procedure of measuring fitting, taping and moving on to connect the many fascets of the side of that box
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:56:04 AM
It seems you have to cut around everything. But after the thousand cuts and tweaks the stuff fits in there just fine
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 10:59:35 AM
Coming around the corner, I got a nice 8' run with no adjustments. It was sleeting on us at the time and the darned coyotes moved in to about 100 meters, so we gave up working and started shooting at the critters.

I am a bit concerned as they seem to be baiting the little pre ranger. He walked down the hill toward the range and one of them started doing the wounded animal cry. My little guy had his trusty 10-22 loaded up with CCi mini-mags so he was ready to do battle, but I recalled him. I may have to do something (to) those coyotes since they are just not backing down.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 11:01:18 AM
I watched a cool vid about how to paint that foam board to look like concrete. It turns out pretty, looking like distressed concrete in the end. That will likely wait until spring, as I have bigger fish to fry at the moment.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 20, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
Coyote, electronic call, red light and remove them from their earthly existence. They have no use in my world, you are in fact the caretaker of the ground. Get at it already! :)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 20, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
Looks like a reason to upgrade the scope on your .308 and adjust the ACOG on your M4 and wack 'em already!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 02:04:48 PM
ya, next time the boyz head off into the woods, they now have permission to take my M4 or my jazzed up Mossberg 930

I have not personally felt threatened by coyotes like this in the past.

But we have this other issue. Interbreeding of coyotes and wolves. Seems some braintrust in the dept of wildlife decided to release wolves in these parts to control the coyote population. Sort of like mixing dearborn base muslims with new syrian refugees...They just make more...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 20, 2016, 02:43:10 PM
Using NV would be a natural there, plus would be good for other things.

Good thought on adding more jacks, but I would use the solid screw stands and maybe even get those tires off the ground if that is a permanent location.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 02:55:04 PM
Using NV would be a natural there, plus would be good for other things.

Good thought on adding more jacks, but I would use the solid screw stands and maybe even get those tires off the ground if that is a permanent location.
No tires!

Look at the pics my knucklehead friend

We removed the tires wheels

Figure I'll sell all five of them and buy some coyote killin ammo.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 20, 2016, 03:15:34 PM
So you did. Had to go back and look, can just see that under the slide out.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
I now have 5 ea tires/wheels to sell to the local Mexican low rider crowd!

Edit: We don't actually have a local Mexican low rider crowd...

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 20, 2016, 05:25:32 PM
I can't get a hole dug to save my butt!

Tried to get Duane down there since spring to get it dug...he struck out. Then actually had a hoe on property and asked him. He had to leave for another job and I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. Asked a concrete guy to punch a hole, put a 36" pipe in it and top it with a nice concrete pad. He must have fallen into a parallel universe cause I haven't heard from him either.

Now, I can't hand dig it because of all the big rocks. I don't own a back hoe or excavator (yet) so I can't do it. No one wants to work for money. I was thinking of waiting for lightening to strike and burn a hole...

One word:
ANFO


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: CHEVSILVER1500 on November 21, 2016, 06:30:45 AM
Several years back when I started working for DOW, I worked at the plant here in TX that made that foam board but it was the blue variety from .5" residential sheathing all the way up to the 3" thick commercial grade freezer mate insulation. First time I have seen the purple stuff.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on November 21, 2016, 08:14:18 AM
Maybe that's because chief likes pink!! ....at least I think that's a pink panther on the board. #pokesilvy1500

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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: rpar86 on November 21, 2016, 04:50:16 PM
I'm surprised to see that Don didn't replace that plastic squirrel cage fan with a metal equivalent...  But hopefully it just doesn't happen again. :)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 21, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
I'm surprised to see that Don didn't replace that plastic squirrel cage fan with a metal equivalent...  But hopefully it just doesn't happen again. :)
Didn't know there was an alternative???!!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: rpar86 on November 21, 2016, 06:09:24 PM
Well there are certainly metal squirrel cage blowers... question is whether there is one that would have fit that unit. OE replacement was probably the easiest/quickest route to get you up and running again.

Now, for my DOT contribution.... what happened to the foot? Which thread did you share that story in?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 21, 2016, 06:12:16 PM
He was leaping from a low flying helicopter with full kit while making hits on a moving target when a small child was about to be run over by a motorcycle so he performed a donkey kick on the bike to make it change course. This the injury to the foot.

Or something like that


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: rpar86 on November 21, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
He was leaping from a low flying helicopter with full kit while making hits on a moving target when a small child was about to be run over by a motorcycle so he performed a donkey kick on the bike to make it change course. This the injury to the foot.

Or something like that


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I'd buy it!  (or maybe I'm just really gullible)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 21, 2016, 06:26:54 PM
Truth is, ya see, there was fifteen of em' comin' at me from all directions. I took out the first seven right away, but tripped over the eighth guy and messed up my foot, just as the others ran for their lives

Now that's what really happened!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 21, 2016, 07:04:09 PM
Truth is, ya see, there was fifteen of em' comin' at me from all directions. I took out the first seven right away, but tripped over the eighth guy and messed up my foot, just as the others ran for their lives

Now that's what really happened!!!!!!! ;)

I didn't realize we had that many witnesses to the wheelie incident or were you guys talking about a different foot accident? ???  ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: rpar86 on November 21, 2016, 08:03:41 PM
A wheelie huh... maybe i'll go check out the bike build thread for more info.  :D

Edit: Yup -- found it there. Ouch!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 21, 2016, 10:24:22 PM
A wheelie huh... maybe i'll go check out the bike build thread for more info.  :D

Edit: Yup -- found it there. Ouch!
It came as a surprise. I throttled it to carry a short wheelie so my frau could vid it with the boyz in the background, but that DR stood straight up, like immediately, and came back over on me...THen the 15 guys attacked...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 22, 2016, 01:37:50 AM
Wheres the popcorn,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on November 22, 2016, 07:52:24 AM
It's not uncommon if there are domestic dogs marking territory for that to increase a coyote packs interest in an area. Just a FWIW type deal.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2016, 11:48:54 AM
It's not uncommon if there are domestic dogs marking territory for that to increase a coyote packs interest in an area. Just a FWIW type deal.
Could be, Duane and i were talking about it just this morning...

I found one den. It's actually in the old barn!

I think we are deciding on buying a coyote (wounded rabbit) call, gettin a couple of guys with M-4's on opposite sides of the ravine, and set to killin those things off. I want to cure some of the hides and spread around... ;-)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 22, 2016, 12:00:20 PM
You should both be in tree stands since they are predators, they use their senses better than most animals.  You will also both have better fields of fire with less worry of a Cheney incident.  You might consider a twirling attractant with the call to help seal the deal too.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on November 22, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
Again just a FWIW.: Some ideas we use that we have found work the best.

I use a simple recording of a fawn looking for it's mom. Many "calls" are nice and have some success but Coyotes will not "gather" in larger numbers for a small meal.

We shoot .22-250 almost exclusively. The flat trajectory, resistance to wind buffeting, low recoil, fast follow up shots and the excellent expand ability on impact without pelt damage, is appreciated. And it also puts them down fast and hard. We will drag out the .204 when we have a perfect clear night with great moonlight and snow. The .204 is a wicked round for long fast flat shots, but it's vulnerability to wind is a issue here for us.

The layout is simple: We set the call up at a choke point that forces them to expose themselves approaching... but the call it's self is in some brush. This emboldens them...We usually shoot from about 200 or so yards...Head shots are best and taken if we can in an effort to minimize "warning yelps"  The .22-250 is a great expander so even less than ideal head shots can be used because of how fast it puts them down. Hole a yote all the way through... he will run around warning everything it's a bad scene. The 22-250 can be relied upon to do major internal damage and not produce a exit wound in most cases.

We will take all that arrive at a distance and then when it's clear no one else is coming to dinner I will grab the 45.70 and take as many in the brush as I can. This always results in flushing a few out into the open where they always pause to get a sniff...and the others will take a few more at this point. 

Also we only hunt them at full moon and clear nights...preferably with snow cover if possible.

My wife just shot her 200th Yote last week... three of us took down 29 in a hour of hunting that night.

But....depending on your local food source don't be surprised when 30 days latter they have regrouped and suddenly there are just as many.
Take what you can and apply it to your situation....

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 22, 2016, 03:09:41 PM
I second the 22-250, what we used back in Indiana. Guys who run them with dogs used a 10ga, the dogs would corner them in adjoining fence rows. It wasn't uncommon for a coyote to charge the handlers as such the 10ga did a nice job of knocking them back on their haunches.....
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 22, 2016, 03:49:39 PM
Now deceased friend, from Norms neck of the woods (Nirobrara) used to run them with coursing hounds.........no weapon necessary........dogs would run them down and shred them then recall to the truck.  Somebody at a dog show thought it was cute once when a foo-foo dog got loose and ran free on the grounds of an outdoor show, running past a short pen with greyhounds in it.....if they only knew what they would witness had the hounds jumped the pen! :o
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on November 22, 2016, 04:01:45 PM
I have never seen that done, but I can imagine it would be effective. I have seen what those hounds can do to a rabbit or fox when loose. And I know they sure like to chase deer.

Our brain damaged mutt only chases Badgers..he has issues.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on November 22, 2016, 05:03:39 PM
Norm, what happens if the dog gets close to one of those badgers, bet it is less than fun for him at that point.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
Again just a FWIW.: Some ideas we use that we have found work the best.

I use a simple recording of a fawn looking for it's mom. Many "calls" are nice and have some success but Coyotes will not "gather" in larger numbers for a small meal.

We shoot .22-250 almost exclusively. The flat trajectory, resistance to wind buffeting, low recoil, fast follow up shots and the excellent expand ability on impact without pelt damage, is appreciated. And it also puts them down fast and hard. We will drag out the .204 when we have a perfect clear night with great moonlight and snow. The .204 is a wicked round for long fast flat shots, but it's vulnerability to wind is a issue here for us.

The layout is simple: We set the call up at a choke point that forces them to expose themselves approaching... but the call it's self is in some brush. This emboldens them...We usually shoot from about 200 or so yards...Head shots are best and taken if we can in an effort to minimize "warning yelps"  The .22-250 is a great expander so even less than ideal head shots can be used because of how fast it puts them down. Hole a yote all the way through... he will run around warning everything it's a bad scene. The 22-250 can be relied upon to do major internal damage and not produce a exit wound in most cases.

We will take all that arrive at a distance and then when it's clear no one else is coming to dinner I will grab the 45.70 and take as many in the brush as I can. This always results in flushing a few out into the open where they always pause to get a sniff...and the others will take a few more at this point. 

Also we only hunt them at full moon and clear nights...preferably with snow cover if possible.

My wife just shot her 200th Yote last week... three of us took down 29 in a hour of hunting that night.

But....depending on your local food source don't be surprised when 30 days latter they have regrouped and suddenly there are just as many.
Take what you can and apply it to your situation....


I think they have been snacking on my turkeys

Last winter I counted 38. During the spring I would usually run into them on the "Road" or in the field. In the mornings they could be heard making a racket. Then around June the Coyotes moved in. I have not seen many of the big birds since. That's disappointing. Those turkeys were magnificent!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 22, 2016, 06:54:12 PM
Turkeys are pretty smart & roost in trees, they may have run them off but I doubt they were decimated by coyotes.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2016, 09:43:13 PM
Turkeys are pretty smart & roost in trees, they may have run them off but I doubt they were decimated by coyotes.
The Coyotes wait around beneath the roost spots, for those big birds to come down.

Was talking just this afternoon to Duane about that. He has been watching coyotes run through his deer killin' area
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 23, 2016, 12:22:18 AM
29 in an hour, better than shooting squirls! What a blast.

Badger and a dog, feel sorry for the dog.

Think you would be OK using the m4 though with NV, reason to buy that digital scope.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 23, 2016, 12:40:32 AM
Turkeys are pretty smart & roost in trees, they may have run them off but I doubt they were decimated by coyotes.
The Coyotes wait around beneath the roost spots, for those big birds to come down.

Was talking just this afternoon to Duane about that. He has been watching coyotes run through his deer killin' area

My reasoning is this, we've had a lot of coyotes for the last 20 years in ne IN. Ever since DNR released them (probably closer to 25-30 years ago actually). 10years back the DNR released wild turkeys 50 mile north of us on state ground. They multiplied and spread south those 50 miles in around 5 years even with the high influx of coyotes. Just my experience with the two.........
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Dawg25385 on November 23, 2016, 12:51:04 AM
Sounds like you need to manage it, or your deer and turkey populations will move away... and that's not good from a "hide" perspective.


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2016, 11:30:33 AM
Sounds like you need to manage it, or your deer and turkey populations will move away... and that's not good from a "hide" perspective.


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Exactly!

Plus the added problem or more specificially a possible danger to my boys.

Maybe I'm stretching with the coyotes threatening the boys, but, man, I am just not willing to take the chance. A early winter coyote kill off is now in the works. So far tow soldiers and a Jar-head. Possibly a Navee Seal type as well, ya know, just to round things out nice and evenly!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on November 23, 2016, 02:31:41 PM
Sounds like you need to manage it, or your deer and turkey populations will move away... and that's not good from a "hide" perspective.


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Exactly!

Plus the added problem or more specificially a possible danger to my boys.

Maybe I'm stretching with the coyotes threatening the boys, but, man, I am just not willing to take the chance. A early winter coyote kill off is now in the works. So far tow soldiers and a Jar-head. Possibly a Navee Seal type as well, ya know, just to round things out nice and evenly!

I know of 3 people I could call in if you need more. 1, I know definitely is a Combat vet with a Purple Heart, I know that cause I was there, plus a couple more that were down at the Warrior Transition unit.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2016, 08:24:27 PM
Sent the boyz out after the Coyotes today, well, sort of. Gave them shotguns and sent them to the barn. Believe it or not those critters were in the treeline maybe 150-200 meters away. I was busy fussing with trying to get the trailer wired up and running during the two hours I had to work there today.

Well, the big news is that finally, I have electricity. I have a 200 amp service installed, hooked up and powered!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
I seem to have scored a new security light as well.

Not sure, but the top of that conduit seems to be open to the atmosphere (Read: Collecting water in the underground part???)

Anyway I threw the light switch and bingo...Lights!

I flipped the switch for the compressor and just like that, it started right up
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2016, 08:31:26 PM
Hmmm, IPhone pics doing the sideways thing on me again...

So I finished the conduit connection to the outside 30 amp plug, but for some reason, there is no power to the camper!

Obviously something is not connected, and I'll have to figure it out. But I am that close.

I have propane coming on the 3rd of December. I'll start off operations with a 120 gallon tank. I'll enlarge as I add buildings and demand. For now this should get me through the cold months which will give me that cozy spot to rinse off and sleep after working outside all day
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 26, 2016, 08:57:05 PM
Cool, on the grid so you can get work done to get off the grid!  Sounds like a Liberal project -  ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 26, 2016, 09:43:25 PM
I think that's a smart meter so big brother can keep tabs on him..... :o
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 26, 2016, 09:57:40 PM
Congrats Don.  That's a big accomplishment.


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 26, 2016, 10:33:01 PM
Yep, blame the camera,,,,,,,,,,,,

See those little dashes under the numbers? When you use power they scroll to the right, when you make power on the grid, they move left.

Sounds lie you need to bait the coyotes and get that M1 out.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 27, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
Yep, blame the camera,,,,,,,,,,,,

See those little dashes under the numbers? When you use power they scroll to the right, when you make power on the grid, they move left.

Sounds lie you need to bait the coyotes and get that M1 out.
Me and the Marine have developed a GCKP (Good Coyote Killin' plan)

We'll be on it pdq!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on November 29, 2016, 08:01:38 AM
I wouldn't wait around to long to do something about those coyotes.  Generally I wouldn't view them as a threat but generally they are pretty skittish and don't hang around during day light hours and in areas with human activity.  At least around here they don't.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 08:25:35 AM
We see them day & night here out my back door but they're probably liberal hippy coyotes & think that's ok.......

The tree hugger types think they are wonderful, local retired po and I had a nice discussion on our neighborhood forum after several ankle biting dogs were attacked in people's back yards. It was his view we just needed to give them more hugs because they were here first. I just listed the diseases they carry & spread as my response. ::)



Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2016, 08:43:42 AM
We see them day & night here out my back door but they're probably liberal hippy coyotes & think that's ok.......

The tree hugger types think they are wonderful, local retired po and I had a nice discussion on our neighborhood forum after several ankle biting dogs were attacked in people's back yards. It was his view we just needed to give them more hugs because they were here first. I just listed the diseases they carry & spread as my response. ::)





Shawn,
Your days of happiness livin' in that hood are definately numbered my friend.

You need to come back to your people...

But you'll know when.

BTW that friend of mine is movin along very nicely!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 29, 2016, 10:28:28 AM
We see them day & night here out my back door but they're probably liberal hippy coyotes & think that's ok.......

The tree hugger types think they are wonderful, local retired po and I had a nice discussion on our neighborhood forum after several ankle biting dogs were attacked in people's back yards. It was his view we just needed to give them more hugs because they were here first. I just listed the diseases they carry & spread as my response. ::)

You talking about furry "Wiley" type, or the ones from Syria, Somalia and Iraq etc.?  If they're true "hippy" coyotes, they're stoned and not too much to worry about - leave a bag of Cheetos opened in the backyard, and they'll move along....... ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 11:27:26 AM
Shawn,
Your days of happiness livin' in that hood are definately numbered my friend.

You need to come back to your people...

But you'll know when.

BTW that friend of mine is movin along very nicely!

I'm headed there next week, gotta help Mom get stuff sorted out. I agree & about your friend that sounds promising. Be good....
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 11:28:27 AM
We see them day & night here out my back door but they're probably liberal hippy coyotes & think that's ok.......

The tree hugger types think they are wonderful, local retired po and I had a nice discussion on our neighborhood forum after several ankle biting dogs were attacked in people's back yards. It was his view we just needed to give them more hugs because they were here first. I just listed the diseases they carry & spread as my response. ::)

You talking about furry "Wiley" type, or the ones from Syria, Somalia and Iraq etc.?  If they're true "hippy" coyotes, they're stoned and not too much to worry about - leave a bag of Cheetos opened in the backyard, and they'll move along....... ;D

We have all kinds, didn't you ever hear don't feed the animals?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 29, 2016, 01:28:37 PM
We see them day & night here out my back door but they're probably liberal hippy coyotes & think that's ok.......

The tree hugger types think they are wonderful, local retired po and I had a nice discussion on our neighborhood forum after several ankle biting dogs were attacked in people's back yards. It was his view we just needed to give them more hugs because they were here first. I just listed the diseases they carry & spread as my response. ::)

You talking about furry "Wiley" type, or the ones from Syria, Somalia and Iraq etc.?  If they're true "hippy" coyotes, they're stoned and not too much to worry about - leave a bag of Cheetos opened in the backyard, and they'll move along....... ;D

We have all kinds, didn't you ever hear don't feed the animals?

It's called BAITING.......
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2016, 01:37:31 PM
We see them day & night here out my back door but they're probably liberal hippy coyotes & think that's ok.......

The tree hugger types think they are wonderful, local retired po and I had a nice discussion on our neighborhood forum after several ankle biting dogs were attacked in people's back yards. It was his view we just needed to give them more hugs because they were here first. I just listed the diseases they carry & spread as my response. ::)

You talking about furry "Wiley" type, or the ones from Syria, Somalia and Iraq etc.?  If they're true "hippy" coyotes, they're stoned and not too much to worry about - leave a bag of Cheetos opened in the backyard, and they'll move along....... ;D
Furry, dog lookin types.

They are actually somewhat handsome, but I'm gonna shoot em anyway!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: EL TATE on November 29, 2016, 01:52:05 PM
If they're good lookin yotes, no reason not to tan those hides as an educational survival tool/lesson for the pre-rangers. Also puts emphasis on the "aim small miss small" head shot concept.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on November 29, 2016, 03:21:56 PM
Head shots and small caliber varmint grenades, or other frangible rounds work good too.

Had to finish one fur bearer when I got to it.
35gr varmint grenade, point blank, did not exit it's head. FWIW.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 29, 2016, 04:07:36 PM
Good practice, head shots. Perfect for a 223 or 22wmr up close. Less suffering and learning to tan.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
I definitely planned to tan the hides. Need some wall covering stuff for the new BGH (Big Guy HangOut)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on November 29, 2016, 05:07:58 PM
I might be outnumbered here but I generally don't advocate taking headshots on any animal.  While a clean headshot might put them down quickly it doesn't take much error for a clean headshot to turn into a blown off jaw resulting in an animal that will likely never be recovered and die slowly from starvation.

Especially for a young or inexperienced hunter I would recommend taking the highest percentage shoot.  The brain is relatively small.  The vitals much larger.  A well placed shoot will still put the animal down quickly with much larger room for error.


Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on November 29, 2016, 06:22:24 PM
I might be outnumbered here but I generally don't advocate taking headshots on any animal.  While a clean headshot might put them down quickly it doesn't take much error for a clean headshot to turn into a blown off jaw resulting in an animal that will likely never be recovered and die slowly from starvation.

Especially for a young or inexperienced hunter I would recommend taking the highest percentage shoot.  The brain is relatively small.  The vitals much larger.  A well placed shoot will still put the animal down quickly with much larger room for error.

This.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: EL TATE on November 29, 2016, 06:49:44 PM
I have to say I see your point Bear. I have been very lucky thus far, and have only had 3 that I've ever taken and 3 for 3 have been behind the eye. if I were just a shade to the left that exact scenario would likely have played out. Good point sir and you've converted me. I might like guns meat and shootin', but I'm not in for intentional or unintentional suffering.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on November 29, 2016, 07:28:58 PM
I also agree.
My first shot is always vitals.
I was only referencing frangible bullets not leaving the head.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on November 29, 2016, 07:33:24 PM
A lot of people say they like to take a head shot on a meat doe so they don't ruin any meat.  The thing is, if you can confidently take a head shot you should be able to place a clean shot through the vitals without doing much damage to the meat.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2016, 08:04:44 PM
What's this thread about...Anyone know???  ;) :o
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 08:21:45 PM
What's this thread about...Anyone know???  ;) :o

Well I thought it was about a not so hidden hide site farm build thingy. But recently it's about killin varmits which is always a good thing.... ;)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2016, 08:26:50 PM
What's this thread about...Anyone know???  ;) :o

Well I thought it was about a not so hidden hide site farm build thingy. But recently it's about killin varmits which is always a good thing.... ;)
Yea, I'm not sure either!

I went lookin' for my thread, and couldn't find it!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 29, 2016, 08:30:33 PM
case in point.  Had a friend get a nilgai antelope down and I went to help.  He had a bad shot.  It hit the spine high in the back and the animal was down and conscious, but paralyzed.  I walked up and put the G22 between the eyes and pulled the trigger.  It just look up at me and kept breathing. had to move back on top of the head and shoot down to hit the brain.  They have some huge sinus cavities apparently.  Second shot at point blank sealed the deal.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 08:48:32 PM
G22? I thought you were .45 cal guy......
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on November 29, 2016, 09:17:35 PM
Old guy.^^^..can't handle a 45!!??!! hehe
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on November 29, 2016, 09:28:10 PM
What's this thread about...Anyone know???  ;) :o

I went lookin' for my thread, and couldn't find it!

The thread is hiding with SD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I wouldn't shoot anything large with a head shot unless I was using the correct round.. I was referring to the coyotes to save the hide. I would agree otherwise for a vital shot, with a round that doesn't blow the other side out.
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Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 09:32:38 PM
Old guy.^^^..can't handle a 45!!??!! hehe

Ken, a glock will fire when you pull the trigger. We all realize there is a whole lotta nottin to handle when pulling trigger on a 1911...... :P
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 29, 2016, 10:02:36 PM
For the record.  My stockpile is 45 and 9 (and 22lr)so when the SHTF I can sell to old and young guys.  The 40 is my daily carry, a great compromise of capacity of power.  If I want real power, I'll skip the 45/40 and go right for the custom loaded 10mm at 1350 FPS with 200gn xtp. Lots of tupperware containers, only one 1911. Its like a museum piece to show friends.  :-)  Let the flaming begin.
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Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 10:26:56 PM
Lol, love it......
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Post by: Dawg25385 on November 29, 2016, 10:56:30 PM
Tex be like....
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 29, 2016, 11:20:54 PM
How come we haven't seen these critters in any game cameras on the property


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 29, 2016, 11:23:25 PM
Tex be like....

Qualifies as concealed carry in Texas....
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Post by: KensAuto on November 30, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
Old guy.^^^..can't handle a 45!!??!! hehe

Ken, a glock will fire when you pull the trigger. We all realize there is a whole lotta nottin to handle when pulling trigger on a 1911...... :P

Whoa knuckhead, I was backing you, cutting on Charles!

Speaking of Tex, at least you got at least one good backup. Kinda like driving a beamer everyday, but having 2 Chebbies in the barn. :)
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:18:13 PM
Well, I'm thawing out by the computer after a good day working down under.

The mud season has set in. Even though I try to avoid it on my "two-track" road thing for now until probably late may, I'll be carrying off loads of mud every time I go there

The tires are working well. I am not spinning at all, although on a cross slope, the truck will slide sometimes
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:20:26 PM
In keeping with trying to improve my condition and survivalability with each and every visit, I added a quality tire repair plug kit today
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:23:06 PM
I also picked up an ask vacuum to clean out the stove. THis gem was on sale at Northern tools on Black Thursday, so I picked it up
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:25:03 PM
I like that it has a triple filter.

A woven cloth barrier, then the filter itself, which is surrounded by a steel screen
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
Northern also had these knee pads on sale, so I picked them up, as I already destroyed the cheapo HF units.

After using them all day, I will report them as marginally effective. The straps are too long and unless you are an elephant or Arnie Schwarzenegger they will be too long to really grab and keep the pads in position
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:30:28 PM
The pics are not so good, but I am trying to show the vent cushions I picked up. You simply stuff them up into the vent recess and a major heat loss is plugged, just like magic!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:34:16 PM
The big news is that I got the electricity working to the camper. I guess I didn't get the hot lead jumper connected tightly enough and it pulled out of the socket when I reassembled the 30 amp box. A simple reinstall and tightening fixed all that and just like that the camper was electrified.

I fired up the big hot oil radiator heater in the morning, flipping the load to max. Within two hours the camper was toasty, and by nightfall with the temps in the upper 30's and a 20 mph wind that camper was so toasty warm, that I almost stayed the night!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:37:58 PM
I did run into a problem, though. With the wind picking up, the stove is kicking all manner of smoke out everywhere. I picked up some stove pipe RTV to seal the joints, and I plan to install a flap valve in there to control the heat loss. That will be completed pretty quick due to the need for heat in the shop during the long cold workdays. But I will need to solve the kickback of smoke. It only does that when first starting, up until it gets to a good running temp, above 500F.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:40:46 PM
And again in keeping with improving the living conditions, I installed this nifty tooth brush holder. I firmly believe when one does something to improve his condition, there is a resulting psychological boost

Who'd have thunk it...A tooth brush making one happy! Weird...
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:43:42 PM
I ordered four more stabilizer jacks for the camper. I wanted to buttress the long run of steel from the axle toward each end. I picked up four-5,000 lb jacks to do just that. After leveling the cribbing by walking it into the gravel some, the jacks were cranked up to contact + one turn.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
Next, I went after the skirting again. It is a slow and methodical process involving a lot of measuring and cutting and fitting and recutting, then squaring and taping. But it is becoming a pretty strong and nearly airtight (wind) closure.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
Piece by piece it is going together.

Things like steps and braces and electrical wiring all require access and relief cuts
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
Then around the kitchen slide out
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:50:52 PM
I am creating some semi-hidden spaces for addition of future mechanicals which will be somewhat weather resistant
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:53:05 PM
The bottom end is secured by 3" of gravel which is plenty strong. And this gravel is not going to move around, but rather pack in over time
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:54:21 PM
In the same fashion as an "I" beam is strengthened by the end flanges, I did a little bit of that with the foam board as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:55:17 PM
I like how this area finished out after raking in the gravel and back filling. It's a keeper!
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Post by: JR on December 01, 2016, 11:25:57 PM
I like that TB holder.

What kinda finish you looking at. I mean the pink is OK, but,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: stlaser on December 02, 2016, 12:41:56 AM
Couple thoughts, use a shovel & bucket to clean out wood stove. If ash falls on floor or exterior crevices of stove then use that vacuum.

Knee pads, since you're fond of Duluth buy the pants with the double knee area that has an insert for their knee pads. No stupid straps to not function properly or make the back of your leg sweat and or rub raw.

Go buy the gasket seal for the door on the wood stove too & I always leave the door cracked open until you get the fire going good. Mo oxygen good for fire (caveman voice).

Edit: Other thought I just had, is that wood actually dry? Reason I ask is because once upon a time Ashley tried telling me they burn "green" wood in TX. Long story but he doesn't burn "green" wood any longer & has no issues because he has very dry wood and can tell the difference.

Fix that & carry on! ;D
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Post by: stlaser on December 02, 2016, 12:49:12 AM
What kinda finish you looking at. I mean the pink is OK, but,,,,,,,,,,

Where is Nate at on this? I mean I had a couple dainty faded red straps on fuel tanks yesterday & you would have thought I pee'd in his cheerios. Meanwhile Don tries turning the hide site into a breast cancer awareness fundraiser & not a peep from the cheap seats?!?  ???
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2016, 09:47:38 AM
I like that TB holder.

What kinda finish you looking at. I mean the pink is OK, but,,,,,,,,,,
I was reading about how a local church set builder, builds all sorts of things from this foam. He then turns it into stone, rocks, bricks, or concrete. He does a texturing then paint. He will paint with an exterior darker gray, then take a couple lighter shades of gray, cut that with water (a-lot) then spray the mixture onto the first layer. I tell you, the stuff looks like crete when he's done. So I was thinking of texturing it some with some sand or troweled on mortar, then give it the stone paint treatment.

That won't happen until June. The priority is to build in usable living space right now
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2016, 09:51:02 AM
Couple thoughts, use a shovel & bucket to clean out wood stove. If ash falls on floor or exterior crevices of stove then use that vacuum.

Knee pads, since you're fond of Duluth buy the pants with the double knee area that has an insert for their knee pads. No stupid straps to not function properly or make the back of your leg sweat and or rub raw.

Go buy the gasket seal for the door on the wood stove too & I always leave the door cracked open until you get the fire going good. Mo oxygen good for fire (caveman voice).

Edit: Other thought I just had, is that wood actually dry? Reason I ask is because once upon a time Ashley tried telling me they burn "green" wood in TX. Long story but he doesn't burn "green" wood any longer & has no issues because he has very dry wood and can tell the difference.

Fix that & carry on! ;D
Yea, good copy on all

Was going to pick up a new rope for the stove door today.

Have some dry logs and some drying logs, and loads of green stuff. I picked good stuff yestertag, but that darned wind was shoving air molecules down the stack. On that chimney, when I build the shed dormer, I'll shove that chimney up another section or two to clear the top by a few feet.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2016, 09:55:56 AM
What kinda finish you looking at. I mean the pink is OK, but,,,,,,,,,,

Where is Nate at on this? I mean I had a couple dainty faded red straps on fuel tanks yesterday & you would have thought I pee'd in his cheerios. Meanwhile Don tries turning the hide site into a breast cancer awareness fundraiser & not a peep from the cheap seats?!?  ???
Yea, well I called Dow Corning and asked if they could make me a special run of camo foam board, but I guess they couldn't work me in, so I got stuck with the faded red stuff. Ya know it could have a gay pride rainbow pattern on it, just as long as it keeps me, the missesses, the pre-rangers, and ma doggies warm!
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Post by: cruizng on December 02, 2016, 10:26:13 AM
I did run into a problem, though. With the wind picking up, the stove is kicking all manner of smoke out everywhere. I picked up some stove pipe RTV to seal the joints, and I plan to install a flap valve in there to control the heat loss. That will be completed pretty quick due to the need for heat in the shop during the long cold workdays. But I will need to solve the kickback of smoke. It only does that when first starting, up until it gets to a good running temp, above 500F.

Don, I ran into a similar problem with a wood stove when I lived in the Pac NW. I installed a WeatherVane type of chimney top and it worked really well. It basically spins around with the wind and creates low pressure side of the open vane. Something like this.

http://www.luxurymetals.com/wind_directional_caps.html

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cruizng on December 02, 2016, 10:34:10 AM
Couple thoughts, use a shovel & bucket to clean out wood stove. If ash falls on floor or exterior crevices of stove then use that vacuum.

Knee pads, since you're fond of Duluth buy the pants with the double knee area that has an insert for their knee pads. No stupid straps to not function properly or make the back of your leg sweat and or rub raw.

Go buy the gasket seal for the door on the wood stove too & I always leave the door cracked open until you get the fire going good. Mo oxygen good for fire (caveman voice).

Edit: Other thought I just had, is that wood actually dry? Reason I ask is because once upon a time Ashley tried telling me they burn "green" wood in TX. Long story but he doesn't burn "green" wood any longer & has no issues because he has very dry wood and can tell the difference.

Fix that & carry on! ;D

^^ I concur with the Duluth pants or bibs. I have a pair of firehose bibs that have the knee pad inserts and they work great. No adjusting or having to worry about the straps. The only thing I noticed was the fireshose cloth rubs your knees caps a little raw if you are up and down a lot. But that rarely happened to me.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on December 02, 2016, 11:06:29 AM
On smokey stove- grandpa always used a small amount of diesel or kerosene tossed from a old jelly jar onto his dry stack of kindling in the stove- this flames quickly and hotter than without warming flue quickly for thermal draw.  Adding another section of pipe and vane topper and you'll be breathing easier and not looking like a a Cheech and Chong movie!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2016, 01:50:59 PM
I did run into a problem, though. With the wind picking up, the stove is kicking all manner of smoke out everywhere. I picked up some stove pipe RTV to seal the joints, and I plan to install a flap valve in there to control the heat loss. That will be completed pretty quick due to the need for heat in the shop during the long cold workdays. But I will need to solve the kickback of smoke. It only does that when first starting, up until it gets to a good running temp, above 500F.

Don, I ran into a similar problem with a wood stove when I lived in the Pac NW. I installed a WeatherVane type of chimney top and it worked really well. It basically spins around with the wind and creates low pressure side of the open vane. Something like this.

http://www.luxurymetals.com/wind_directional_caps.html


I like that, believe it just might work!
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Post by: stlaser on December 02, 2016, 03:18:07 PM
On smokey stove- grandpa always used a small amount of diesel or kerosene tossed from a old jelly jar onto his dry stack of kindling in the stove- this flames quickly and hotter than without warming flue quickly for thermal draw.  Adding another section of pipe and vane topper and you'll be breathing easier and not looking like a a Cheech and Chong movie!

I used to use some bar oil & the oxy / acetylene torch to start the stove in my first shop. Same idea & worked great.
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Post by: JR on December 02, 2016, 04:18:06 PM
Little charcoal lighter is handy as well as a propane torch, both have many more uses around places like that!
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Post by: nmeyer414 on December 02, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
What kinda finish you looking at. I mean the pink is OK, but,,,,,,,,,,

Where is Nate at on this? I mean I had a couple dainty faded red straps on fuel tanks yesterday & you would have thought I pee'd in his cheerios. Meanwhile Don tries turning the hide site into a breast cancer awareness fundraiser & not a peep from the cheap seats?!?  ???

he gets one more weekend, then again he might get 2 (because of the boot that he is still supposed to have on from said wheelie, but chooses to wear mandals with socks.) because I think the geritol dosage may have to get upped to assist with the bone (or is that bone head) repair.....;D
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Post by: stlaser on December 02, 2016, 10:05:16 PM
ROFL, ok I guess we'll give him TOGP (the old guy pass) for the moment......
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Post by: cudakidd53 on December 03, 2016, 07:22:04 AM
ROFL, ok I guess we'll give him TOGP (the old guy pass) for the moment......

"Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill"............bumper sticker my dad had on his race car when he was still track champion in his 60's.

It seems funnier now that I'm 53.......can't figure out how that is?  ???  ::)  ;D
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
Little charcoal lighter is handy as well as a propane torch, both have many more uses around places like that!
Did that today JR. I lite it and it hit 500 F in less than a minute

Solid technique, I'll be keeping that little trick!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:41:17 PM
ROFL, ok I guess we'll give him TOGP (the old guy pass) for the moment......
Don't need no stinkin pass!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:45:56 PM
Back in the chock blocks at planet home. Last two days farm side fixin' stuff, and terrorizing the coyotes. We found two dens or homes or whatever those critters call home. One is that huge wood pile I pushed up with Sarge in the early summer. Strong urine scent and droppings around it, same-same with the barn. If it wasn't for the state burning down, I would have made a circle of kerosene and lit em' up. Then give them a 12 gage chaser as their flamin' butts cleared the wall of flames.

Anyway, I almost have the pink stuff done. Here is the rest of the North side:
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:46:39 PM
It went faster today because I had a little guy helping me on the "inside"
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:48:04 PM
Yep, he's wearing a Real-Man hoodie!

Then the east side was blocked off and secured with gravel inside and outside

Sled dog is ever vigiliant (or sleeping!)
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:51:33 PM
The boys either worked on the camper project, or split wood, or took off, shotguns in hand after the coyotes.

That's good stuff for young men. They will always remember these days

Next, on the south side, there are two slides that are close together. I decided to make a singular box out of the two and wrap that on all sides except the south side which sees full days of sun
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:51:59 PM
I need a new ladder!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:53:32 PM
I added the R-7 1.5" thick foam board to the top side of the slides as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:55:07 PM
I created a drip rail on each overhang to keep the driving rain away from the insides of the now insulated area
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
Going up the west side, which sees the majority of the wind, I cut in the foam board around the window
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Then the gap between the two slides...
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 07:59:31 PM
I ran out of full panels at this point. I'll pick up maybe 3-4 more to finish the south side and wrap the north side "Kitchen" slide-out

Yes, its crooked...

Paint covers all...

So if you see the dark gray on the lower side of the  camper, I plan to use that color to paint the pink stuff that Shawn likes so much.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 08:03:25 PM
The Chevy is really performing well. It had every opportunity to get stuck this (wet) weekend, but it didn't even spin a wheel. That Grizzly Locker that I got from Tate and Randy's ring and pinion is one outstanding piece of metal magic!

I managed 18.2 on the trip down and 19.2 on the trip back!!!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 08:05:17 PM
Here are the four posts for the shooting bench for Henderson Range. I'll have the pre-rangers strip off the bark from those cedar posts, then I'll add a roof and a bench. I can see the boyz playing in there more than serious shooting, but what the heck, it's their place and time to explore and grow.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 08:07:35 PM
And, yes, house killin' time is fast approaching...

Wish I had my old M60A1... That thing would make very quick work of that structure.

Always wanted to stick the gun tube inside a building then squeeze off a round. I bet the muzzle blast would send that house into a million pieces...How cool would that be?
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on December 03, 2016, 08:41:41 PM
Don, any news on the easement problems?
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
I have a plan in place to purchase that whole farm along with the other two that touches my place. If I can pull it off. I'll be up to 450 acres and control the access from all directions.
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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on December 04, 2016, 12:23:31 AM
Carry on, sounds like a good option.
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Post by: OldKooT on December 07, 2016, 12:32:14 PM
Just my catching up here....

So far it's dog 4 Badgers zero... that dog is a special kind of determined. He's had to have a few stitches over the years, but he doesn't seem to care. He's like 14 years old or something so maybe he figures he has nothing to lose.

I tend to shoot heart/lung on larger game. It's just humane and simple I agree. That said I head shoot Coyotes...because they are "screamers" and die nosily at times when vitals shot. I just don't take shots I am not confident in taking. One shot to the back of the head they are down and dead. The area of vitals on a Yote isn't much larger than their head anyway. If required a follow up shot is always an option..at least where we hunt them.

Don that pink foam textures rather well with acetone LoL It gets that old 1800's concrete texture quickly.

Another thing you can use to light that fire that doesn't "explode" (less fun) is rubbing alcohol. It lights clean and simple and gets things going fast...if lighting "wetter" wood use lamp oil it will burn longer ...once yr flu is warm it will draw as you have discovered. And yes add a dampner...you will save lots of heat.

I just use mineral spirits from my parts washer LoL








Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 02:40:39 PM
Just my catching up here....

So far it's dog 4 Badgers zero... that dog is a special kind of determined. He's had to have a few stitches over the years, but he doesn't seem to care. He's like 14 years old or something so maybe he figures he has nothing to lose.

I tend to shoot heart/lung on larger game. It's just humane and simple I agree. That said I head shoot Coyotes...because they are "screamers" and die nosily at times when vitals shot. I just don't take shots I am not confident in taking. One shot to the back of the head they are down and dead. The area of vitals on a Yote isn't much larger than their head anyway. If required a follow up shot is always an option..at least where we hunt them.

Don that pink foam textures rather well with acetone LoL It gets that old 1800's concrete texture quickly.

Another thing you can use to light that fire that doesn't "explode" (less fun) is rubbing alcohol. It lights clean and simple and gets things going fast...if lighting "wetter" wood use lamp oil it will burn longer ...once yr flu is warm it will draw as you have discovered. And yes add a dampner...you will save lots of heat.

I just use mineral spirits from my parts washer LoL









Just getting back from being down there. Met the Propane guy, Mr. Jim. He was all sorts of apprehensive about coming back there. He said, "What if you run out of gas and the weather's bad, How do you expect me to make it back here?"

So, yea, he's uncomfortable with driving on that road too...Seems to be a universal complaint. As a result of all that, he gave in and is installing a 120 gallon tank this Friday. He figures that will get him through till summer, so he won't have to come back again during the less favorable months.

Ya, know, Norm, on that pink foam board, well, I got to looking at the stack of barn wood I have accumulated. That stuff is as solid as, well Oak! Not very rotten except on the edges. I have been cutting into it, and It may be hard and strong enough to make a B-52 main wing spar. Or at least a Constellation class frigate.
So, I was wondering what that camper might look like with the skirt and other pink places wrapped, tastefully, mind you, in old school barn wood???

Might work. Keep me from looking like the Jeffersons just moved in next to my shed
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cj7ox on December 07, 2016, 02:53:20 PM
Ya, know, Norm, on that pink foam board, well, I got to looking at the stack of barn wood I have accumulated. That stuff is as solid as, well Oak! Not very rotten except on the edges. I have been cutting into it, and It may be hard and strong enough to make a B-52 main wing spar. Or at least a Constellation class frigate.
So, I was wondering what that camper might look like with the skirt and other pink places wrapped, tastefully, mind you, in old school barn wood???

Might work. Keep me from looking like the Jeffersons just moved in next to my shed

I think you should tongue and groove it in. It'd look nice an professional!  ;)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 03:05:33 PM
Ya, know, Norm, on that pink foam board, well, I got to looking at the stack of barn wood I have accumulated. That stuff is as solid as, well Oak! Not very rotten except on the edges. I have been cutting into it, and It may be hard and strong enough to make a B-52 main wing spar. Or at least a Constellation class frigate.
So, I was wondering what that camper might look like with the skirt and other pink places wrapped, tastefully, mind you, in old school barn wood???

Might work. Keep me from looking like the Jeffersons just moved in next to my shed

I think you should tongue and groove it in. It'd look nice an professional!  ;)
Hmmmm
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 07, 2016, 03:13:33 PM
 Save that pristine Barnwood for inside! Use a tile trowel and spray down that pink board with mineral spirits and then trowel it to make it look like Barnwood texture. You can then paint it and make it look like your own Barnwood complete with actual texture - just need a little red and gray and light brown paint  and apply it with a Drybrush technique! Even warrant officer can do it!  :o
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 03:20:44 PM
Save that pristine Barnwood for inside! Use a tile trowel and spray down that pink board with mineral spirits and then trowel it to make it look like Barnwood texture. You can then paint it and make it look like your own Barnwood complete with actual texture - just need a little red and gray and light brown paint  and apply it with a Drybrush technique! Even warrant officer can do it!  :o
You really are an art teacher!

So, the mineral spirits does what? Dissolves some of the material? Doesn't like melt holes in it does it?

I think if I have any problem with the paint concept, it will be getting the paint to stay on the aluminum or Mylar tape
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 03:21:17 PM
Oh, and around here black would be the color of da barn
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 07, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
Test it on some scrap first as it'll eat it up/melt quick- use a pointy trowel for wall tiles and experiment and see what you think
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 07, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
 Black is the color that the mold that feeds off the yeast used in distillery bourbon! That's why the revenueors used to drive around looking for black mold on trees in the woods to locate illegal still! Black also adds heat for the aging of the bourbon in the barrels.   See I learned something
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 04:04:28 PM
Black is the color that the mold that feeds off the yeast used in distillery bourbon! That's why the revenueors used to drive around looking for black mold on trees in the woods to locate illegal still! Black also adds heat for the aging of the bourbon in the barrels.   See I learned something
I finished off that bottle BTW

Burbon, cream, root-beer and ice

Time for another visit I'm thinking
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on December 07, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
I'd defiantly test yr foam vs solvent ratio on a scrap piece. The visual of a swiss cheese skirting and such, funny as it may be.

Sell that barn board to city slickers for $8 a running foot. That's what I do...they love it. I once sold the wood off a old corn crib for $20k. AND they (city slickers) paid me to deliver it also. Then they bought the stone foundation as well... because barn parts are well...barn parts.

120 gallons?  I have a tank that size on my weed torch man. Wonder how long that will run said RV furnace? I am trying to remember how large the tank on our RV is...I know it will last 6 days of winter RV,ing.

What we do here for Sissy propane guys that wont take their trucks off road is we mount a 1000 gallon tank on wheels. Ya could do that with a smaller unit say 500 gallons. Drag it out, have him meet you someplace he can handle filling it, and then drag it back in.


 

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 07, 2016, 05:03:43 PM
Well, instead of messing up the form (done that alot) just get cheap siding and glue it on. Bang you are done.

Save the oak for the inside of something nice, like the outhouse  8)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 10:47:13 PM
I'd defiantly test yr foam vs solvent ratio on a scrap piece. The visual of a swiss cheese skirting and such, funny as it may be.

Sell that barn board to city slickers for $8 a running foot. That's what I do...they love it. I once sold the wood off a old corn crib for $20k. AND they (city slickers) paid me to deliver it also. Then they bought the stone foundation as well... because barn parts are well...barn parts.

120 gallons?  I have a tank that size on my weed torch man. Wonder how long that will run said RV furnace? I am trying to remember how large the tank on our RV is...I know it will last 6 days of winter RV,ing.

What we do here for Sissy propane guys that wont take their trucks off road is we mount a 1000 gallon tank on wheels. Ya could do that with a smaller unit say 500 gallons. Drag it out, have him meet you someplace he can handle filling it, and then drag it back in.


 


Well about half way through the negotiations (Arguing) we had me to the point where they would give me 4-100lb bottles and when they got low, I'd throw them in the loader and drive out to the road and swap them out for new ones.

Now, frankly, I'm happily satisfied that everyone fears the road. No one ever comes to visit...

Anyway, I don't know what will work, but I do know I have to start somewhere, so if this is what they are willing to do, well, so be it. I'll run the furnace on a low setting, like 45 degrees and turn her up when I stop for a visit. At the moment I have that hot oil thing going on its lowest setting. Going down to 20's and teens next few days, and I plan to be down there to evaluate. Placing a recording thermometer in the craw space to get an idea whats going on there.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
Well, instead of messing up the form (done that alot) just get cheap siding and glue it on. Bang you are done.

Save the oak for the inside of something nice, like the outhouse  8)
Norm got me to thinkin'

If idiots will pay $8 a board foot, I might like to help them do so!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 07, 2016, 11:29:49 PM
Don, how about a HF trailer with racks that holds 2 tanks. Find a used one or get new and build simple racks and just keep em there then drive the whole thing out when exchange is needed?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 08, 2016, 12:07:58 AM
Rust oleum camo paint on the foam board and call it done. You,re over thinking it, pilot :-)


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on December 08, 2016, 12:21:48 AM
Don, if the gas company guy will drive back and fill the smaller tank, why not get one twice the size and not worry about running out before spring. I rent a tank from Cenex and they are very reasonable. I think you would get a better price with a larger delivery also. 
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2016, 09:26:48 AM
Don, if the gas company guy will drive back and fill the smaller tank, why not get one twice the size and not worry about running out before spring. I rent a tank from Cenex and they are very reasonable. I think you would get a better price with a larger delivery also. 
Its all academic at this point. Tomorrow they install the 120, and I'll back that up with another larger tank and I'll be G-T-G
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on December 08, 2016, 09:34:32 PM
Tell your propane man you know a guy in Kneebraska that would drive down that driveway in a Fifth Avenue.

It's about 6 degrees here ATM with a nice breeze. House is 75 degrees and cozy burning about a bushel a day of corn.

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 09, 2016, 08:21:49 AM
Tell your propane man you know a guy in Kneebraska that would drive down that driveway in a Fifth Avenue.

It's about 6 degrees here ATM with a nice breeze. House is 75 degrees and cozy burning about a bushel a day of corn.


I'll tell him!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on December 09, 2016, 09:33:46 AM
I'd take XJ down the driveway, but then again, it's already beat up.  ::)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on December 09, 2016, 10:20:16 AM
Well, instead of messing up the form (done that alot) just get cheap siding and glue it on. Bang you are done.

Save the oak for the inside of something nice, like the outhouse  8)
Norm got me to thinkin'

If idiots will pay $8 a board foot, I might like to help them do so!

It's more than $8 a board foot in hippy land....
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on December 09, 2016, 10:22:09 AM
I'd take XJ down the driveway, but then again, it's already beat up.  ::)

Uh & it's an xj! ;)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on December 09, 2016, 11:54:14 AM
Uh & it's an xj! ;)

But stock with 235's... And worn suspension.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 09, 2016, 12:16:58 PM
Any real truck would be fine. Probably wouldn't even need 4 wd.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 09, 2016, 08:04:44 PM
Mission accomplished
I'm sitting in the camper, it's showing 17 degrees outside and I'm as warm as a bug in a rug!

They installed a 120 gallon tank and had me all hooked up shortly after 10 am. Since it is going to be super cold this weekend, I'm staying at the hide to validate the concept
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Dawg25385 on December 09, 2016, 08:42:09 PM
Did you say you were going to monitor a thermo underneath the camper, inside the wind break?


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on December 09, 2016, 10:01:21 PM
I have a buddy that tried his up here in -25-30.
I think he burned 30 lbs a night, so you should be good for a while.
Now with the skirting you've added, that should help a ton.

If you haven't added underbelly thermometer it probably would be wise to keep an eye out for freezing water lines etc.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on December 10, 2016, 08:38:00 AM
probably a little late now mind you....but since you have all that electricity you coud have found room for a small say 15 gallon electric hot water heater...some pex a small heat exchanger and a few atv radiators with fans and built yrself a nice little heating system.

Samm...I believe our RV tank is 80lbs...our RV is 4 season insulated and I'd guess given it's consumption we were at or close to 15lbs a day in 10F weather. So your friends numbers sound pretty reasonable.

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 08:57:23 AM
Did you say you were going to monitor a thermo underneath the camper, inside the wind break?


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yes
Northern tool has some weather stations and simple thermometers on sale. Plan to use those. But I couldn't figure out just yet how to record the data for long periods. The wind speed is important to me for future wind mill. Plan on putting it almost to the top of a 36' pole of my creation then my first wind driven ten atop that
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on December 10, 2016, 09:09:24 AM
Northern tool has some weather stations and simple thermometers on sale. Plan to use those. But I couldn't figure out just yet how to record the data for long periods. The wind speed is important to me for future wind mill. Plan on putting it almost to the top of a 36' pole of my creation then my first wind driven ten atop that

We grunts use these things called notebooks for stuff like that...  ;D


The new(er) office (resisting the change) version of me recommends Excel...


I still use notebooks... the green hardcover leaders' notebook; mostly cause I have extras.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 09:20:46 AM
Northern tool has some weather stations and simple thermometers on sale. Plan to use those. But I couldn't figure out just yet how to record the data for long periods. The wind speed is important to me for future wind mill. Plan on putting it almost to the top of a 36' pole of my creation then my first wind driven ten atop that

We grunts use these things called notebooks for stuff like that...  ;D


The new(er) office (resisting the change) version of me recommends Excel...


I still use notebooks... the green hardcover leaders' notebook; mostly cause I have extras.
Cro-Magnon man!  ;-)

Think is there Bobby- Lou is I'd have to be there and checking that all the time. Makes sense for the absence of technology but there is a smart way of doing this I think
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: BobbyB on December 10, 2016, 10:43:06 AM

Cro-Magnon man!  ;-)

Think is there Bobby- Lou is I'd have to be there and checking that all the time. Makes sense for the absence of technology but there is a smart way of doing this I think

Well you have been there most of the time

But since you want to be fancy get this, then attach an external hard drive for abundant storage space instead of an SD card.

http://www.ambientweather.com/amws1000wifi.html#caption
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on December 10, 2016, 11:27:01 AM
Ya know NOAA records wind speeds and other fun stuff. Likely a airport monitoring station or a firehouse or something close enough to give you an idea on wind speed average is available.

Or this http://www.kymesonet.org/

Just trying to save you the work involved in erecting a pole with a wind spinny thingy on top of it.  ;D
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Wilbur on December 10, 2016, 01:16:58 PM
The graph in the history section of wunderground tells you over time what the temps have been, windspeed etc. I would start by looking at that data over time to see if a windmill makes sense. Obviously wind speeds for your specific location may differ from where the weather station is located due to specific topography etc. but this would be a start and should at least be in the ballpark.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KLEX/2016/12/10/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=Lexington&req_state=KY&reqdb.zip=40502&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 06:48:07 PM
Ya know NOAA records wind speeds and other fun stuff. Likely a airport monitoring station or a firehouse or something close enough to give you an idea on wind speed average is available.

Or this http://www.kymesonet.org/

Just trying to save you the work involved in erecting a pole with a wind spinny thingy on top of it.  ;D
I kinda wanted the place to have a slight scientific feel. Plus, it's another project. Who doesn't like projects!

Me, being a pilot, well, I could just stare at that thing spinnin' away for amusement for hours. I spent so much of my life looking through things that were spinning in front of or above me, that I kinda' miss it! ;-))

Thing is the Kintucky is not flat except a "bottom" or something near a river. Wind flow is different all over the hill. Since my farm is one of the highest points in that county the airmass is always lifting up and over my ridge. In doing so I get some good airflow. Today is a good example. Most places except on that ridge were pretty calm. But working around the camper, stuff was blowing all over the place. Foam boards make good sails. The wind gusts were strong enough to break the 1.5" thick Formular 150 board.

Anyway, I have long suspected I could mount a BlackHawk rotor system up there somewhere and actually bet something useful out of that old nag of a helo.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 06:53:42 PM
OK, let's get a larger propane tank installed

Here is the midwest folks setting my new 120 gallon (Has 100 gal inside) propane tank

I noted that I started around 85% full. By afternoon the next day I had burned the tank down to something just above 80%. It was very cold for maybe 75% of the time and gusty. Temps ranged from the 20's down to the teens.

The furnace had no difficulty at all keeping up, and I had a great and restful night's sleep in a toasty warm camper.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 06:54:54 PM
Next up, I partially tore down the wood stove to seal it up better and make some additions
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 06:56:28 PM
While the silicone was setting up some, I glued a new rope seal into the door channel
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 06:57:57 PM
And installed a flapper thing-ah-ma-jiggy
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 06:59:25 PM
Then I reassembled the pipes, sealing every single joint
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:02:18 PM
Then I test fired it using some dried wood, kindling, and of course some charcoal brickett starter fluid

Fussing with the damper some, I got the temp right, and smoke free. It was drafting nicely and putting out the btu's
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:03:23 PM
And outside, it was trying to snow

Scout never saw snow before and was busying himself running down democrats, err, I mean snow flakes!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:05:32 PM
Remember that brace thing I built to hold up the flue? Well, I retasked it, not wanting a project to go to waste
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
And tore off a lid from the ever present empty hydraulic oil buckets and filled it with kindling
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Wanting a close by stack of ready and dry firewood, I hastily screwed this thing together
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:09:33 PM
That thing will likely change into some thing made from iron later on, but for now it adds to the comfy feeling to that little corner of the "Shed"
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:11:38 PM
I heartily recommend this stuff

I'll get around to Norm's alcohol recommendation, but for now I'm giving this the DTU (Dons thumb up)

And, yes, those are spendy shooting gloves...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:13:20 PM
While I was examining the mess on that shelf. I drilled some holes and slid home the fire starters

That will last just fine, until the smallest Pre-Ranger sees them there, then I'm back to flint!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:15:31 PM
Next up, because it was too windy and cold outside to finish skirting the camper, I went after the mess on top of my tool locker
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:16:47 PM
Two 4' sections of regular 2 X 4 created some nice spaces for the cot and the chairs
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:18:15 PM
Then some bungees and the recliner was up and off the top of the cabinet
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
Then the rest of the stuff, and I found all sorts of new space
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:21:13 PM
In keeping with my objective to make the place a bit more comfortable and nicer each time I visit, I threw down some rugs and matching towels.

I also added some thick real wool socks to the overhead cabinet where I store extra clothing
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:22:50 PM
Next day after breakfast, while I was awaiting some warmer temps, I wired in the barn security lights
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:23:53 PM
My growing stacks of barn wood.

I have hundreds more elsewhere!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
I ran out of aluminum, cold weather tape last week and finished the job with mylar duct tape. It was failing so I removed and replaced it with the good stuff

Look at the joints I made a couple weeks ago. Still holding up well
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:27:39 PM
I decided to remove the wheel well trim to get a better taping surface to work with
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:29:13 PM
And installed a second drain pipe to the aux gray water holding tank
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
That kinked up looking thing stretches to 15 feet.

With a few more panels and the jacks remounted under the slides, I closed that side off, and sealing the underside off from the elements. The aft panel is actually an access door.

Working underneath the camper, even while it was open was pretty warm. I'd say maybe 10 degrees or more difference. Now with it closed off, I'll bet I get double the delta I had before. The heat that would normally escape and be wiched away beneath the floor, is now trapped. And I hope that will keep things in a liquid state.

Next: Wrap the kitchen slide, then start on the water tank extension to the Tac-Hab!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on December 10, 2016, 10:43:55 PM
For a manly pink accented hide site I give it two thumbs up!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 11, 2016, 08:27:35 AM
What's HH6 think about the winterization progress and will the new "Barbie" jeep be showing up on a regular basis again?

Looking good and Ranger approved on the rug additions!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
What's HH6 think about the winterization progress and will the new "Barbie" jeep be showing up on a regular basis again?

Looking good and Ranger approved on the rug additions!
Funny thing. Laid down two blankets and within five minutes, had a dog parked on each one!

Scout, not Ranger
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
For a manly pink accented hide site I give it two thumbs up!
I know it looks like crap, gimme some time on that note and I'll have it lookin', well, Manly!

But it accomplished the mission. It's definitely a lot warmer in there.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
Since I managed to leave my wallet in the camper, I got to make another trip down to the farm-side.

While I was there the M-R-S did some much needed power napping, so I made myself busy clearing off some boxes that contain things that need to be hanging somewhere.

IronTron is the brand of Northern Tools as many of us know. I scored this hose reel during the black friday craziness and ordered it then. It has been sitting around ever since
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:22:17 PM
It wasn't all that long ago that I added the blocks of wood to wrap hoses and extension chords around. All I had to do was hit it once with any body part (Checked that block) and it's time on the earth became limited.

I ordered a heavy duty (12/3) extension cord reel as well, but it isn't in just yet
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:24:40 PM
I am always looking to move things off the floor and organize them into "what makes sense" groupings. I have spent approximately half my life looking for things, and with less than half my life (A lot less) remaining, I'm finally getting smarter.

I mounted the reel first to a piece of 3/4" plywood
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:25:38 PM
Then I mounted that business overhead, inside the footprint of the work bench
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Post by: JR on December 11, 2016, 07:27:32 PM
There is never enough air hose and a place to store it!!

I have two 50ft self winding and a 25ft from HF. Still have to ad to them sometimes.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:27:43 PM
The lead in hose from the generator is routed out of the way of hot stuff, sparky things, and the occasional body part.

I used 1/2" electrical conduit clamps to make everyone happy
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:28:21 PM
There is never enough air hose and a place to store it!!

I have two 50ft self winding and a 25ft from HF. Still have to ad to them sometimes.
Copy that!

I have another 50 footer to add to the new one
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:30:13 PM
Didn't have a hose clamp, or a 3/8-1/4 bushing to complete the project. I am developing my new bolt box. What on occasion is the most useful and indispensable item a homesteader can have!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:31:11 PM
So here is that little project...almost done
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:34:08 PM
Next up. I am always fumbling around looking for the drill. So with another scrap piece of plywood, and a spare 2.5" electrical conduit clamp, I solved that problem

Now that rack has a couple rows of tape prominently displayed
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:36:07 PM
Remember the rust ball that turned out to be fence pliers? I dug those up while running the box scraper around leveling the yard. Well after a summer of soaking and working the joint, they are all healed. I brought them home to wire wheel off and coat again, then hang them up on their very own nail!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
See those corners everywhere???

Gonna be some ornamental grass in there pdq

I have the stuff coming up all over the place in my flower beds. So it is going to get relocated!

And I think I'll sell those 4 trailer tires/wheels
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Post by: Wilbur on December 11, 2016, 07:48:03 PM
Don any worries that in a big storm the pink stuff goes away? It looks like it will work now, just worry about a blizzard or serious driving rain with 40 mph (higher?) wind behind it? (I know....I'm sitting in the audience throwing rocks....but would rather say it now when bracing it might be (somewhat?) easier....
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Post by: stlaser on December 11, 2016, 07:59:39 PM
Didn't have a hose clamp, or a 3/8-1/4 bushing to complete the project. I am developing my new bolt box. What on occasion is the most useful and indispensable item a homesteader can have!

Ammo cans make good misc bolt boxes
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 08:00:13 PM
Don any worries that in a big storm the pink stuff goes away? It looks like it will work now, just worry about a blizzard or serious driving rain with 40 mph (higher?) wind behind it? (I know....I'm sitting in the audience throwing rocks....but would rather say it now when bracing it might be (somewhat?) easier....
Dunno...Time will tell

I read about a 4 season tiny home person setting up to take on their first winter.

He skirted his camper with either 3/4" or 1" foam board which was tapped with the 3M tape I used and set an inch or two in gravel. He reported that during one furious blizzard like day, the fabric skirts and flimsy other types in other campers around his were all damaged or destroyed, but his remained intact.

Having said that, I am not finished with this thing. I mentioned adding barn wood to the setup earlier. It was my intent to provide a more impact resistant surface to clad over the foam board. Now that foam stuff is actually pretty stout. It would take a pretty decent kick to puncture it, so I am encouraged that I may be OK. But since this camper is staying right where it is forever, I might harden it up some depending on how this first step weathers the storm, so to speak
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2016, 08:00:59 PM
Didn't have a hose clamp, or a 3/8-1/4 bushing to complete the project. I am developing my new bolt box. What on occasion is the most useful and indispensable item a homesteader can have!

Ammo cans make good misc bolt boxes
I have a few of those down there already...but no bolts in there at the moment ;-)
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Post by: Dawg25385 on December 11, 2016, 09:48:48 PM
Why sell the tires? You might regret that later........


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 11, 2016, 10:51:57 PM
Don, googlefu using bedliner as a reinforcement.  I've seen ballistic tests where that stuff was applied over stuff (like cinder block walls, etc) that made it super strong.

I imagine that applying it over the foam would make that stuff pretty stout.


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Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on December 11, 2016, 11:21:25 PM
Why sell the tires? You might regret that later.....

I would think those tires should be about done age wise. Now the rims will last a long time if you store them in a dry place. Someday you will want to move the trailer and will need them.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 11, 2016, 11:44:04 PM
Strip the rubber off the wheels if ya must or just slide them in under that trailer. Dry, Warmish, Out of site, and if you do desire to move that trailer you can pretty easy. 


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Post by: JR on December 11, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
Besides that, do they fit the flatbed? Great second set.

Yep, that pink needs addressing quick. Why not spray it with undercoating as a glue and use the fiberglass panels they sell at lowes and HD? Being FG they wont rot and probably take paint easy.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 12, 2016, 08:44:14 AM
You could use galvanized steel roofing panels for pretty cheap, use your barn wood as accent trim around the edges


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Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
Loads of good ideas there menses

I forgot about those fiberglass or whatever roofing panels
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 12, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
You could still paint it pink Don


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Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2016, 01:38:51 PM
You could still paint it pink Don


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Post by: JR on December 12, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
I was thinking of this flat stuff; pd/Sequentia-48-in-x-8-ft-Embossed-White-Fiberglass-Reinforced-Wall-Panel/3162499

Run it flush, seal the top, then paint it pink,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 8)
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on December 12, 2016, 01:53:32 PM
Get the clear stuff and skip the paint.
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Post by: JR on December 12, 2016, 02:00:35 PM
Or some wallpaper camo; (springtime)

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Post by: Atkinsmatt on December 12, 2016, 02:05:23 PM
Some nose art and I think it's a wrap.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 12, 2016, 03:29:54 PM
You could make some window planter boxes for the trailer and the shed out of that old park wood, my neighbors wife used pallet wood but barn wood would be fine. 
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Post by: JR on December 12, 2016, 04:54:03 PM
I think Don had to sign off with all the "suggestions"  ::)
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Post by: KensAuto on December 12, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
Anything thinner/urethane based will probably melt the foam. Would have to be thin coats of whatever is finally used.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2016, 06:28:53 PM
DOTs

One of em gets started

Then there goes the thread!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2016, 06:30:00 PM
Or some wallpaper camo; (springtime)


Is that the big seller in San Fran?
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Post by: rpar86 on December 12, 2016, 07:59:44 PM
Anything thinner/urethane based will probably melt the foam. Would have to be thin coats of whatever is finally used.

I was thinking this, too, with the earlier suggestion of camo spray paint. They make spray paint especially for foam, would likely need to use that.
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Post by: JR on December 12, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
DOTs

One of em gets started

Then there goes the thread!

"I love it when a plan comes together"
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Post by: JR on December 12, 2016, 08:33:47 PM
Or some wallpaper camo; (springtime)


Is that the big seller in San Fran?

Wouldn't know, it's 50 miles away and over 2 bridges. Not far enough but a good buffer.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2016, 09:23:22 PM
Anything thinner/urethane based will probably melt the foam. Would have to be thin coats of whatever is finally used.

I was thinking this, too, with the earlier suggestion of camo spray paint. They make spray paint especially for foam, would likely need to use that.
All this finishing work is really not a priority at this time. I have addressed the heat retention and gotten the thing electrified, so I can take a breath.

Next is to get a larger water supply in there. Something intermediate I think, doesn't have to be anything over the top, but a few hundred gallons I'd say.

My plan for that remains to set a water tank in and around the approach end of the camper as you view it from the "Road"

I thought I'd set a tank in place and build in a box around it that would blend in with the camper, perhaps made of the same material I plan to use for the skirting... Anyway top it off with a glass roof, slanted to the south to catch the sun. Paint the top of the storage tank black for heat absorption and if it works like a green house, it should remain liquid during the hardest freeze we see here. I'll place an emergency heater in there just in case, and add in a pressure demand RV type water supply pump set ar around 45 psi. If I build this thing correctly I might be able to catch the water heater exhaust for heating and attach directly to the shore water supply inlet and keep everything inside the enclosure.

Work or not, that is the plan at the moment, cause you have to start with some sort of a plan.
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Post by: stlaser on December 12, 2016, 09:29:46 PM
A small electric block heater (or livestock water tank heater in the water itself) on the tank should work just fine to keep it liquid inside a small building, possibly even set it up so it turns on by a thermostat.......
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Post by: KensAuto on December 12, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
Don, I don't know if you've considered "totes" for water storage, but they're pretty handy, fits in a truck easily (I've had 2 in my long bed), and you can pick them up cheap. I got a couple used ones for free from a friend, and I could use them for drinking water if I cared to, because they were labeled "corn syrup".  I am using them now, in conjunction with a 2" waterpump, for dust control. They come in 275 or 330 gallons. The steel cage around them, could be welded on for different ideas that you may come up with (like stacking, etc.)

for example : http://www.plastic-mart.com/product/11874/330-gallon-re-bottled-ibc-tote-ibc-btl003?gclid=Cj0KEQiAsrnCBRCTs7nqwrm6pcYBEiQAcQSznOlYGzV6xXTbjmi6p-Q_QvgV7qkI22KoRsFrdJTJ3bkaAjIg8P8HAQ
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2016, 10:02:08 PM
Don, I don't know if you've considered "totes" for water storage, but they're pretty handy, fits in a truck easily (I've had 2 in my long bed), and you can pick them up cheap. I got a couple used ones for free from a friend, and I could use them for drinking water if I cared to, because they were labeled "corn syrup".  I am using them now, in conjunction with a 2" waterpump, for dust control. They come in 275 or 330 gallons. The steel cage around them, could be welded on for different ideas that you may come up with (like stacking, etc.)

for example : http://www.plastic-mart.com/product/11874/330-gallon-re-bottled-ibc-tote-ibc-btl003?gclid=Cj0KEQiAsrnCBRCTs7nqwrm6pcYBEiQAcQSznOlYGzV6xXTbjmi6p-Q_QvgV7qkI22KoRsFrdJTJ3bkaAjIg8P8HAQ
Ken,
I know exactly what they are and that is exactly what I was thinking of using, the 330 gal units. They sell for $60-$75 around here and they look almost new. I was thinking of using one or possibly two of them in tandem. Might run gutters and a cheapo rain collection system off the camper and route it into the tanks
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2016, 10:07:06 PM
Well, might as well get this project started... I just ordered the pump, filter, and expansion tank

The filter is rated to 5 microns so it can even filter out the unsavory smell of a liberal! And it lasts through an entire campaign season!!!!

Pump is a 12VDC unit rated at 55psi and 3 GPM. I figure with that and the accumulator I should have some pretty good flow inside.
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Post by: Wilbur on December 12, 2016, 10:50:31 PM
Don I don't know if you've considered a passive solar heater but I bet thats sort of what your describing painting it black.

Something like this could be incorporated into the building and it would work pretty well I'm betting.

https://www.exposingtruth.com/heat-homes-solar-air/

I built one for my house as a test and it's not that big- 3' x 8' and it raises the temp 70 degrees from the temp it comes in at. Bet it would keep the water from freezing.
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Post by: JR on December 12, 2016, 11:50:14 PM
Don, using the passive solar heater is a good idea but keeping the water moving will help and not let things site and get, well green.

Using a little brushless pump that can run forever with no wear and use that with the passive coil heater. I got a couple to play with solar in my pool and for under $20 they move enough water for those tanks. COuld even use them to fill em from that wonderful well.
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Post by: BobbyB on December 13, 2016, 06:29:47 AM
Ken,
I know exactly what they are and that is exactly what I was thinking of using, the 330 gal units. They sell for $60-$75 around here and they look almost new. I was thinking of using one or possibly two of them in tandem. Might run gutters and a cheapo rain collection system off the camper and route it into the tanks

They may look new, but ensure they have been cleaned and weren't used to store chemicals.
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Post by: OldKooT on December 13, 2016, 08:37:44 AM
Don if you decide to dispose of your wheels...they'd look good on my featherlight. Feel free to shoot me a price if your so inclined. I can do cash, paypal, pink foam board, you name it.

The hose reel thing never works for me. I seem to prefer tripping over and untangling air lines and extension cords..must be a masochist issue or something. But your set up has me considering my options and working on my organization skills. This past week I lost a 3.5' crow bar in my living room while remodeling... still haven't found it. I assume someone moved it, but they all claim innocence. I ever find it again, I am spraying it day glow orange and attaching something large to it to prevent this in the future.

So curiosity.... why is the camper never leaving again?

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Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Wil,That is an EXCELLENT IDEA! Two gold stars!

JR, I'll look into it, good idea! Pat on the back!

Bobby, The ones I found around here were food grade, used to transport food products, and have been rinced: Hardy handshake and toothy smile

Norm, Well, Norm, bro, you have issues ;-))))))))
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Post by: nmeyer414 on December 13, 2016, 09:15:53 AM
Don if you decide to dispose of your wheels...they'd look good on my featherlight. Feel free to shoot me a price if your so inclined. I can do cash, paypal, pink foam board, you name it.

The hose reel thing never works for me. I seem to prefer tripping over and untangling air lines and extension cords..must be a masochist issue or something. But your set up has me considering my options and working on my organization skills. This past week I lost a 3.5' crow bar in my living room while remodeling... still haven't found it. I assume someone moved it, but they all claim innocence. I ever find it again, I am spraying it day glow orange and attaching something large to it to prevent this in the future.

So curiosity.... why is the camper never leaving again?



so which wall did it get dry walled into.......................;D
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Post by: OldKooT on December 13, 2016, 10:43:15 AM
Nate..... I never thought of that. Ya know, when I get a minute I will grab one of the metal detectors and check and see for that possibility. Why didn't I think of that?....wait I know it's because I would never do something like that LoL....but I did have a grandson here helping, he could have tucked it behind some insulation....I better check, I was planning to waterboard the kids until they confessed to stealing my favorite crow bar to mess with my head. LoL

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Post by: EL TATE on December 13, 2016, 10:56:26 AM
I was going to say your handle belies the root cause... "Old"koot. Caught a case of CRS.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2016, 11:06:11 AM
Nate..... I never thought of that. Ya know, when I get a minute I will grab one of the metal detectors and check and see for that possibility. Why didn't I think of that?....wait I know it's because I would never do something like that LoL....but I did have a grandson here helping, he could have tucked it behind some insulation....I better check, I was planning to waterboard the kids until they confessed to stealing my favorite crow bar to mess with my head. LoL


Gotta self confess here

I nailed Norm to a cross over the CRS/crowbar admission...

But just yesterday, I was looking for my rake down at the farm

I was using that rake to move the graves around the underside of the camper while I finished up closing in the underside with the pink stuff...
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Post by: Wilbur on December 13, 2016, 11:21:27 AM
Nate..... I never thought of that. Ya know, when I get a minute I will grab one of the metal detectors and check and see for that possibility. Why didn't I think of that?....wait I know it's because I would never do something like that LoL....but I did have a grandson here helping, he could have tucked it behind some insulation....I better check, I was planning to waterboard the kids until they confessed to stealing my favorite crow bar to mess with my head. LoL

Got a stud finder? "Hey! Who stuck a metal stud in this wall?...." ;)
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Post by: EL TATE on December 13, 2016, 11:47:19 AM

"...as the intrepid explorers defied the gods and broke the seal on the pink foam tomb, to their horror they found the curse of the lost rake was true!"
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Post by: OldKooT on December 13, 2016, 12:37:40 PM
LoL.. after this thread, I will never see pink foam board the same way again.

And to defend myself here.... I was on a ladder fighting with some petrified Fir my home is built with and the crow bar was hanging on the ladder when I climbed up there. After 15 minutes of trying to remove said petrified lumber the correct way and getting no joy...I asked for the crow bar and large mall to be handed up. The four people in the room all looked for the crowbar...it just vanished. I recently confirmed...it is not in the walls LoL

So still a mystery. Maybe this place is haunted like my wife and kids claim?
Who knows....
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2016, 04:08:59 PM
LoL.. after this thread, I will never see pink foam board the same way again.

And to defend myself here.... I was on a ladder fighting with some petrified Fir my home is built with and the crow bar was hanging on the ladder when I climbed up there. After 15 minutes of trying to remove said petrified lumber the correct way and getting no joy...I asked for the crow bar and large mall to be handed up. The four people in the room all looked for the crowbar...it just vanished. I recently confirmed...it is not in the walls LoL

So still a mystery. Maybe this place is haunted like my wife and kids claim?
Who knows....
Don't get on the haunted thing

Bad subject in my home right now

Note: DOTin' up my own thread)

It started the other day when I come home to find the garage doors open, and it's cold and windy outside

So I come in and place my boys on restriction, problem solved

I come home yesterday and guess what? Yup, the garage doors are open again!

So I restrict the boys again and they come to me and swear, up and down that they didn't do it. So I give them grace (Because I told them that they are not allowed to lie...ever)

I come in the house and the thermostat is on 73 and the red light of death (Aux heat is running) is on. This unit burns five dollar bills to produce heat!

So I call the boys in and again they say...swear, cry, that they did not do it.

So I set the temp to 70 and lock the thing down. Normal heat, 70F, done.

I go in and tell Kathy about all these strange occurrences and she says, it's the ghost. I jokingly comment, "Oh we now have a poltergeist?" ...And she answers, "Yes we do!"

What? A real live (or dead???) Ghost?!

Questioning the boys, the little guy tells me of the several times he has seen a man in the doorway of the closet. Hmmm, little boy imaginations. Well, the other much more mature one says, yes, its true, he is here. Great! Everyone things we're haunted! Then later on in bed, Kat tells me that on the nights I am gone to the farm, someone plays the piano in the basement. I explain that it is just the cat. She asks, "You mean the cat that sleeps with me in the bed?"

I didn't know that kat slept with kat in my bed!

Note: the kat is now in the last days of its life.

So I was a bit perplexed as I drifted off to sleep. Then around 2 AM I wake up freezing. I walked over and checked the thermostat and guess what? It is now set to Air conditioning mode and to sixty something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, this is not funny...
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Post by: JR on December 13, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
So Dons house is haunted (we think we have my father wondering around here) and someone replaces him in bed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,let it fly!!

We keep ours at 68 and the wife complains it is to hot and we have the same problem with a cat, but its a female.
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Post by: OldKooT on December 13, 2016, 05:14:43 PM
I will start a thread some day about "odd" stuff that happens here. And some of it has gone on since the first owner bought the place in 1877. The amount of "artifacts" we have found in the dirt here from Indians and a picture  found in a 1800's new paper suggest strongly this land was once a Indian Spring camping/hunting area. So....who knows.



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Post by: Wilbur on December 13, 2016, 05:37:57 PM
The house I grew up in had a triple murder/suicide in it long before we moved there. Plus the local police chief buried a Thompson machine gun on the property (he cut it up in 3 pieces or so he claimed....for all I know he did it for safekeeping). We had a lot of stuff that occurred as well. But with a 200 year old house who knows how many ppl were "still there" by the time I arrived there as a kid. There's a lot we cant explain I think....
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2016, 07:51:10 PM
Well, after the experience I had last summer helping a pastor (More like a viper/warrior/gladiator) do his thing to a demon possessed guy, I have zero doubt as to the spiritual side being a very real thing...

But one thing I also learned and now know very well, is that they cannot come against the holy spirit. Can't touch him! You pray a line of protection of the blood of Jesus around you and those and you love and you just encased them in kryptonite!
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Post by: cruizng on December 14, 2016, 08:36:12 AM
LoL.. after this thread, I will never see pink foam board the same way again.

And to defend myself here.... I was on a ladder fighting with some petrified Fir my home is built with and the crow bar was hanging on the ladder when I climbed up there. After 15 minutes of trying to remove said petrified lumber the correct way and getting no joy...I asked for the crow bar and large mall to be handed up. The four people in the room all looked for the crowbar...it just vanished. I recently confirmed...it is not in the walls LoL

So still a mystery. Maybe this place is haunted like my wife and kids claim?
Who knows....
Don't get on the haunted thing

Bad subject in my home right now

Note: DOTin' up my own thread)

It started the other day when I come home to find the garage doors open, and it's cold and windy outside

So I come in and place my boys on restriction, problem solved

I come home yesterday and guess what? Yup, the garage doors are open again!

So I restrict the boys again and they come to me and swear, up and down that they didn't do it. So I give them grace (Because I told them that they are not allowed to lie...ever)

I come in the house and the thermostat is on 73 and the red light of death (Aux heat is running) is on. This unit burns five dollar bills to produce heat!

So I call the boys in and again they say...swear, cry, that they did not do it.

So I set the temp to 70 and lock the thing down. Normal heat, 70F, done.

I go in and tell Kathy about all these strange occurrences and she says, it's the ghost. I jokingly comment, "Oh we now have a poltergeist?" ...And she answers, "Yes we do!"

What? A real live (or dead???) Ghost?!

Questioning the boys, the little guy tells me of the several times he has seen a man in the doorway of the closet. Hmmm, little boy imaginations. Well, the other much more mature one says, yes, its true, he is here. Great! Everyone things we're haunted! Then later on in bed, Kat tells me that on the nights I am gone to the farm, someone plays the piano in the basement. I explain that it is just the cat. She asks, "You mean the cat that sleeps with me in the bed?"

I didn't know that kat slept with kat in my bed!

Note: the kat is now in the last days of its life.

So I was a bit perplexed as I drifted off to sleep. Then around 2 AM I wake up freezing. I walked over and checked the thermostat and guess what? It is now set to Air conditioning mode and to sixty something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, this is not funny...

I think it's the Russian's....  ;D  Dialed into your IoT (Internet of Things) NEST thermostat and are messing with you...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
^^^ Figures!

Its always something...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:46:25 PM
First of all, the skirting has made a big difference. The outside temp was in the low 20's when I showed up yesterday. But inside I would estimate was in the 40's somewhere. All the water was running and no sign of a freeze up.

Last night it got down to 8F and stayed that way until around 9AM when it started to warm. I think it might have gotten up to 10F but the wind started in, so I would estimate the felt temp was around zero. The furnace barely used any Propane and heated the camper to whatever I wanted, which was 72F last night. All day long the furnace had no problem with a zero wind chill so I am feeling more confident the skirting and added insulation is working.

For projects, the extension cord reel came in, so I got started on it
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:47:35 PM
Oh, before I do that, check out the outside barn lights, LED, 65 watt bulbs

Yes, its shaky, but you get the idea
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:48:47 PM
Getting started in a shed which was below 10F, the first thing on the agenda was to get some heat in there
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:50:11 PM
Yea, it was in turbo mode, but we were feeling the need for heat!

So here is what I am improving and where the business will take place
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
The first step in any good country boy project is to disregard and remove the safety decals and tags!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:53:01 PM
The reel pivots on a sturdy steel base
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:54:04 PM
This reel has a 12/3 wire which supports a triple tap on the end
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:55:39 PM
I mounted the reel to a piece of 3/4" plywood with a 2X4 stiffener behind it
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:56:31 PM
And attached it to the work bench with 4 screws
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:58:25 PM
The dangley end was not impressing me. I saw the dog and read his mine. "I'm gonna chew that off," he was telecommunitin' to me. So I changed it up
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 05:58:58 PM
Scout seemed to miss that whole deal
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 06:00:26 PM
With all the wind I get on that ridge, the doors, the main ones, have been working, so I decided to stiffen things up some. First I screwed each joint together with a #10 X 3.5" screw
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 06:01:58 PM
The at the door top, it had been working in and out and had elongated the catch hole some, so I screwed up two 2X4's so that it closes and is held solidly
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 06:03:30 PM
Next I added a security bar near the top with some 3/8" steel bar drilled at an angle so that rattling would not cause the pin to fall out
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 06:05:11 PM
If you recall the pic of the shed, south side, lit up at night by the barn lights, you may recall there was a dark spot. I added a motion detecting security light in there for good measure
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 06:06:58 PM
Its an LED unit that draws practically no power

I almost finished the install before I had to pack it in, unthaw the mutts and get the chebby started. Tonight is the annual Christmas concert and one of the pre-rangers is singing in it.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 06:07:50 PM
Lastly (For tonight) I purchased a new 10 foot step ladder which will shortly be abused and broken.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 15, 2016, 07:54:08 PM
Not bad there Don. I see Scout is smart enough to lay on the rug, dirty or not.

I would just pull that ball off. It still looks tasty and at eye level.

Maybe drill a hole in that ply above the door pin so you can just hang it up when you pull it out.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2016, 07:55:15 PM
Not bad there Don. I see Scout is smart enough to lay on the rug, dirty or not.

I would just pull that ball off. It still looks tasty and at eye level.

Maybe drill a hole in that ply above the door pin so you can just hang it up when you pull it out.
I think I'll do just that
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 15, 2016, 10:19:28 PM
Glad to hear the camper is staying toasty for you!  I'd guess that the heat being on (even low) 24/7 helps keeping the thermal mass from getting so cold and lowering overall consumption.  Looking good!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 20, 2016, 11:27:47 AM
I found a new stove strategy for you Don. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/75f33ecc43e11dbe2e4b1a0670dc1564.jpg)


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cj7ox on December 20, 2016, 11:57:48 AM
I found a new stove strategy for you Don. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/75f33ecc43e11dbe2e4b1a0670dc1564.jpg)


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That, is AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 20, 2016, 02:05:11 PM
The floor of his shed might need to be reinforced. .....


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 20, 2016, 06:15:15 PM
The floor of his shed might need to be reinforced. .....


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And the roof patched after he "inserts" the bucket and stove......
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 20, 2016, 06:36:37 PM
I found a new stove strategy for you Don. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/75f33ecc43e11dbe2e4b1a0670dc1564.jpg)


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I like it!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 20, 2016, 06:52:01 PM
That might radiate a little heat.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 22, 2016, 12:16:50 PM
Thinking outside the box for sure


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 26, 2016, 05:55:12 PM
Closed the loop on the water tanks today. Picked up three - 330 gallon tanks from an hour north of me. I'll get on scrubbing them clean tomorrow then transport to farmside.

After taking some measurements, I'll be able to create the enclosure in the shop downstairs.

So having thought about it, I think I'll build a simple four wall box out of 2X4's and the same high tech siding panel that the shed is sheeted with. I'll add a simple roof, put an access door inside it, and this the cool part:
In the south wall, I'll build in two of those solar collectors that will passively work during daylight hours and hopefully heat the interior enough in the winter to prevent a freeze up. I view this as an intelligent experiment where I believe the chances that it will work approach 100%, however allow that it may fail.
I'll get busy on that tomorrow.
My base plan calls for 660 gallons of water supply which will be additionally fed from camper roof runoff to add some self replenishment aspect to the design. Eventually I'll mount two solar panels on the roof feeding a battery beneath the camper which I hope may supply all the power it needs to stand alone, grid free.
We'll see...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:16:33 PM
The rain from the Christmas monsoon has definitely softened up things some. So, we had hard gusty winds and a load of rain but the camper skirting and tape is holding up very well thank you very much!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:18:11 PM
Keeping the deer watering hold very full
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Have a bit of the Beverly hillbillies look going on, but I will soon attend to the ascetics. But for now, so far the winterization is a pass
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:23:02 PM
So I picked up three of the 330 gallon "Tote" fluid transport containers. two of these will become the water supply cistern for the camper giving me between 600 to 660 gallons available. If it all goes as planned, the tanks will be resupplied from time to time from rain water run-off from the roof of the camper, once the full system is fabbed and installed
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:28:20 PM
Two of them were pretty clean, having a small amount of fluid in the bottom. The third tank had been used to catch some cutting fluid and machining residue from some metal processing. The bottom looked awful at first. I picked up this tank for a song, and am keeping it for a possible fuel tank to store off road diesel for the tractors and loader.

After cleaning them with hot soapy water and dawn dish washing detergent and using my pressure washer, I could not tell anything had ever been in there. Actually, now I am not 100% sure which tank had the shavings in it. What that mess was was machining lubricant, water based, and the metal filings, nothing else.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:29:47 PM
They all have 2" NPT ball valves, which I think I'll keep intact and plumb off the ends of those
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:32:13 PM
You can just make out the 300 gallon mark cast into the tank

These tanks are Schultz tanks which are constructed with the same plastic as other tanks, however are a bit thicker, making them a great candidate for the project for which they have been selected
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 10:38:47 PM
As of this evening, they are all cleaned and ready to go, and go they will, right to the farm in the morning. After setting them, I'll procure the materials for the containment bin and build that in the basement shop in such a manner that it can be a knocked down after construction here, then hastily assembled on site with a minimum of fuss.

That build is coming right up, but I think it will be a simple 8' X 6' X 5' tall with a roof and two access doors, some added storage space and a small area for the pump, filter unit and accumulator. I'll leave room for a few batteries for the future addition of the roof mounted solar cells. I'll also create two passive solar heating panels within the south wall.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on December 27, 2016, 11:29:21 PM
Two of them were pretty clean, having a small amount of fluid in the bottom. The third tank had been used to catch some cutting fluid and machining residue from some metal processing. The bottom looked awful at first. I picked up this tank for a song, and am keeping it for a possible fuel tank to store off road diesel for the tractors and loader.

After cleaning them with hot soapy water and dawn dish washing detergent and using my pressure washer, I could not tell anything had ever been in there. Actually, now I am not 100% sure which tank had the shavings in it. What that mess was was machining lubricant, water based, and the metal filings, nothing else.

Machining coolant is basically animal fat, bacteria likes to grow in it. I suggest scrubbing the internals with some bleach. I can tell you about some aweful skin rashes it can cause & my guys soaking in bleach baths at night to kill the death itch they would get in the summer. You've been warned.....
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2016, 11:37:46 PM
Two of them were pretty clean, having a small amount of fluid in the bottom. The third tank had been used to catch some cutting fluid and machining residue from some metal processing. The bottom looked awful at first. I picked up this tank for a song, and am keeping it for a possible fuel tank to store off road diesel for the tractors and loader.

After cleaning them with hot soapy water and dawn dish washing detergent and using my pressure washer, I could not tell anything had ever been in there. Actually, now I am not 100% sure which tank had the shavings in it. What that mess was was machining lubricant, water based, and the metal filings, nothing else.

Machining coolant is basically animal fat, bacteria likes to grow in it. I suggest scrubbing the internals with some bleach. I can tell you about some aweful skin rashes it can cause & my guys soaking in bleach baths at night to kill the death itch they would get in the summer. You've been warned.....
Note taken!

And I was going to add bleach to the water in the tank, I always do. Even though the water is filtered, we only wash with it, and drink the bottled stuff.
If you add a bit of bleach to the water in tanks outside, algae doesn't grow in it either.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on December 28, 2016, 12:00:08 PM
My bet would be Shawn is talking more than just a little bleach mixed with water.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 28, 2016, 09:49:37 PM
My bet would be Shawn is talking more than just a little bleach mixed with water.
Shawn, Are ya?

I'll get to the bottom of this!

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 28, 2016, 09:57:36 PM
Well the tanks are sitting next to the camper in the spot I have chosen for them to live.

Looks like it will fit well into the setup I now have and not block the east window very much. With my adding them there I an creating a stair step turned on it's side look to the north end of the camper. After I doll up the skirting some, I'll place some landscape feature in each corner to soften up the approach to my temporary home.

I was looking at the setup I have and no, I don't want to over think it, but if i added a walled in deck to the entrance area, I could create a three or even 4 season room where one could hang their jacket and drop the boots before entering the kitchen area. Might make for a nice place for the doggies to lay around on and chew up the outdoor living furniture I'd likely place out there. Not saying anything for sure, just eyeballing it...

I also clad the remaining slide-out with the pink stuff. Today it was nice outside in the mid 30's. Inside the camper with nothing more than a single heater element of that hot oil radiator turned up about half way, I'd say it was maintaining 60 in there. A check on the propane level showed no usage that I could detect.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 28, 2016, 09:58:07 PM
No camera, just crappy sideways I-Phone pics...Sorry!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on December 28, 2016, 10:43:41 PM
My bet would be Shawn is talking more than just a little bleach mixed with water.
Shawn, Are ya?

I'll get to the bottom of this!

It's definitely nasty stuff, I'd be using more than dawn and a little bleach myself. I understand it's just for showers and toilets but a little work now is better than headache later imo.

Just for an idea we had about a 95 gallon reservoir on our one vertical cnc mill & we would add a gallon of bleach every 3-4 weeks just to keep bacteria growth down in the summer.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 28, 2016, 11:33:48 PM
Nice score on the tanks. Did you plan on using quick disconnects on the outlets?

Can you get to the drain valve on the trailer? I see the hose but no access. I had issues with mine without the valve.

Are you going to smooth the piled dirt around the puddle so it maybe holds a little more water?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
My bet would be Shawn is talking more than just a little bleach mixed with water.
Shawn, Are ya?

I'll get to the bottom of this!

It's definitely nasty stuff, I'd be using more than dawn and a little bleach myself. I understand it's just for showers and toilets but a little work now is better than headache later imo.

Just for an idea we had about a 95 gallon reservoir on our one vertical cnc mill & we would add a gallon of bleach every 3-4 weeks just to keep bacteria growth down in the summer.
The entire cleaning operation on three tanks took maybe an hour and a half. I used dawn and hot soapy water at 3200 psi. I soaped and rinsed each several times. The tanks were then hosed off again with normal garden hose pressures with 140 degree water. In the end each was just as clean as the other. No residue, no beading of water to indicate the presence of oils, and a new like appearance.

Now the other thing is that the water in those tanks, because I plan to collect rain water, will go through the best RV water filtration unit I could find. You know, the standard 99.99% variety.
The setup is good, on to fitting it all out.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2016, 08:56:44 AM
Nice score on the tanks. Did you plan on using quick disconnects on the outlets?

No, plan to use 2" NPT male fittings either screwed to the end of the ball valves (Most likely) or directly to the poly tank

Can you get to the drain valve on the trailer? I see the hose but no access. I had issues with mine without the valve.

Do you mean the gray and black water drain valves? If so, then yes there is an access, but I plan on creating another right at the site of the hose to make it easy

Are you going to smooth the piled dirt around the puddle so it maybe holds a little more water?

Yes...
The plan is to come in there again and reshape that pond, building up the berm about two more feet, then widening and deepening all that. When I finally score an excavator or a back hoe, I'll do it then. In the spring the trees growing all over the impounding berm (Dam??) will be removed, save for one or two left for aesthetic reasons
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on December 29, 2016, 10:52:14 AM
Don, don't skimp on the water for the RV black tank use and Don't dump it until at least 3/4 full. Pyramids in the tank are not a good thing and lots of water is your friend for not growing them.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2016, 10:58:14 AM
Don, don't skimp on the water for the RV black tank use and Don't dump it until at least 3/4 full. Pyramids in the tank are not a good thing and lots of water is your friend for not growing them.
Copy!

I may rebuild that system completely. Turn it into a more conventional kentucky system. Add a standard toilet with flange and 4" PVC which I would run out the side and down to that ground hog hole in the hill near the camper  ;-)

I now officially own a self populating farm. I have either four or six cows on it most of the time. No, they are not mine. They come in so often the "Hole" they created in the cedar wall of trees between the old growth hardwoods and the field has officially been named "Cow hole trail" by the pre-rangers. While I was working on the place yesterday, the little one passes by me, "Dad, I'm going squirrel hunting on Cow-Hole trail, see you later."

I have asked the neighbors surrounding me if any of them are missing cows. I just get either a "No" or a "Not sure, don't think so." To that I respond, "well, I now have either 4 or 6 of those chocolate brown fully grown critters crapping all over the place."

I guess I'll let this go until spring or summer and if no one claims them, then up goes my first fence and a barn that is cow-suitable...Who'd have thunk it!

Well, like the movie line, "If you build it they will come," It appears as though the statement works as well for cows as it does for ghosts!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 29, 2016, 01:53:43 PM
Don, don't skimp on the water for the RV black tank use and Don't dump it until at least 3/4 full. Pyramids in the tank are not a good thing and lots of water is your friend for not growing them.

This is why I asked Don, been there don that!

Maybe the cows feel safe there? Until you are hungry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on December 29, 2016, 06:12:56 PM
Sounds like Don's going to be posting up a new tenderloin recipe here shortly!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 29, 2016, 06:32:38 PM
Sounds like Don's going to be posting up a new tenderloin recipe here shortly!

Fresh ingredients for the Real Man Chilli Cook-off!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 31, 2016, 12:50:58 AM
Oh, for the toilet look at the "Aria". Full size porcelain made for RVs.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Wilbur on December 31, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
Don you need to develop you're own brand and get it on those cows. Are any of them bulls? I'd be wary of them if they are. Bulls can be nasty animals at any time but especially if they've been living on their own for a while. I'd tell the pre-Rangers to stay clear. Bulls have killed a lot of people.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2016, 12:19:18 PM
Don you need to develop you're own brand and get it on those cows. Are any of them bulls? I'd be wary of them if they are. Bulls can be nasty animals at any time but especially if they've been living on their own for a while. I'd yell the ore-Rangers to stay clear. Bulls have killed a lot of people.
Well, they show up after sunset and hang around till morning. Are somewhat skittish. Have put the headlights on them but no defining examination as of yet. Scout runs them around some time, so I'm expecting a cow with a broken leg about any time
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Post by: BobbyB on December 31, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
Well, they show up after sunset and hang around till morning. Are somewhat skittish. Have put the headlights on them but no defining examination as of yet. Scout runs them around some time, so I'm expecting a cow with a broken leg about any time

Instinct.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 31, 2016, 07:23:50 PM
Dot alert. Saw this. Thought of Don. Sorry Don. You can fire me now

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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2016, 07:42:15 PM
Diggin the argyles!

Gunz aren't bad either
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2016, 07:43:49 PM
Too doggone sick today to do anything on the structure. Been down for several days now. Hard cold and staying about the same...

Hoping to get to work tomorrow on the framing
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Post by: cudakidd53 on December 31, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
Now that is some quality DOT work there Charles!

Don, feel better as the cold action is miserable this time of year!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 31, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
Don as you know kids circulate colds through the house pretty regularly. This last time I started taking a caplet of Zinc once a day as soon as the kids came down with it. I got it anyway but it was very mild and didn't last long( I never lost a work outside day). I highly recommend it in the future.


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2016, 08:00:58 PM
Don as you know kids circulate colds through the house pretty regularly. This last time I started taking a caplet of Zinc once a day as soon as the kids came down with it. I got it anyway but it was very mild and didn't last long( I never lost a work outside day). I highly recommend it in the future.


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Zinc: Check.

I normally dose as high as 2000MG of vitamin C when I feel it coming on. I used to do that and go for a very long run. Seem I could run it out of me most of the time. Then I grew up
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 31, 2016, 10:51:47 PM
Ive used C as well and the zinc seems to do better.  YMMv based on your body, but give it a shot.  :thumb
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on December 31, 2016, 10:57:20 PM
I like zinc and use Zicam.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 09:35:59 AM
emoji pics showin' up now!!

Kyle: how can we PLEASE get some decent emoji's on here!
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Post by: Dawg25385 on January 01, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
emoji pics showin' up now!!

Kyle: how can we PLEASE get some decent emoji's on here!

Ahh jeeze, this again... so much time wasted on those doggone emoji's. But i'll giver a whirl again.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
Well, either that or I could ban JR to keep him from postin' this junk

Should we have a poll for that too? ;-)
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 01, 2017, 10:02:00 AM
Well, either that or I could ban JR to keep him from postin' this junk

Should we have a poll for that too? ;-)

 Or you can use the "delete post" button after we are all done laughing  ;)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 01, 2017, 01:07:07 PM
Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
Possibly usable

I'm going downstairs. Cut some boards, spread around some sawdust.
Get some pics so there will actually be some material on my "Chat" thread here!
DOTs...
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:08:31 PM
This "Cold" is kickin' my butt!

But I am going stir crazy having building materials fifty feet away, a plan in my head, screws scattered about and electricity in the outlets.

So I went down there to work.

I'd say I crammed an hour's worth of work into four hours, but I do have something completed

Picked up the 2 by's purchasing pressure treated for direct gravel contact, and syp for the rest of the framing.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:11:08 PM
I am really liking this smart panel. It's a modified OSB product with some good resin and pressed or rolled with a western cedar outside appearance. This is what the shed is built with, and nearly a year later it hasn't changed from build day

and

Made here!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:12:22 PM
I cut a pile of studs. The side walls will rise a little bit over 5 feet not counting the roof rise
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
Anyone know what this is?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on January 01, 2017, 07:16:03 PM
Scrap metal?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:16:53 PM
This is the south facing wall. The two large openings are where the built in solar collectors will be fitted.

I'm building it in this manner so as to make those removable so i can change them out or modify them later on when I unearth some kryptonite on my property and put crystals of that in some future modified panel
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:18:36 PM
Ran completely out of 3" screws so I used deeply sunken 2 1/2" screws, glue and these 6" long spikes
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:21:14 PM
I am building the walls with a 2X4 upright affixed to a 2X6 base. Reason is I'll drill holes in the flange part in which to place 18" rebar spikes to hold the contraption to the ground

Here is a finished side wall measuring six feet wide and 63" tall
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 07:22:37 PM
I don't know what happened, but unlike usual, it all turned out square!

I'll correct that later on, no worries!

Then I got like heaving sick and that's all the money shined today!
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Post by: cruizng on January 02, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
Anyone know what this is?
Wall art?? Like those Nascar hoods? 


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 02, 2017, 05:31:34 PM
Anyone know what this is?

You can get some good coin for that. A nascar hood I would keep.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:07:50 PM
Felling better today. Managed to get several hours in on it. So, back to the framing, I continued with gluing each joint and I purchased some exterior 3" screws
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:08:44 PM
All four walls framed
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
The sides are temporarily screwed together, however, will be broken down at the corners for transport
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
South wall where the collectors will be fitted to the large openings
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:13:13 PM
So I framed in the openings
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:15:16 PM
The actual collectors are framed with 1" X 6"
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
But, I managed to run out of the one-by so I created another board from scrap pieces

By cutting a thin piece of pine...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:21:01 PM
And creating a groove of the same width in opposing faces of the scrap pieces, then gluing and clamping it up, I had enough to finish framing out the collector boxes. It's not perfect, but it's strong!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2017, 08:22:52 PM
Next for the proper roof angle. A simple shed roof is all I need, and that will help as a solar panel mount in the very near future

It's a 10 degree angle BTW.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 08:07:18 PM
Another day, more $$$, another cool shirt covered with white glue, and more pics!

First up, I assembled the second Solar collector box
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 08:09:01 PM
Those boxes are just sitting there while one is "Curing"

While sitting there, I added an inner flange where I'll place a seal to make those suckers air tight
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 08:10:34 PM
I achieved a good flush fit and finished the uprights with some OSB (Hillbillies think that means "outside board!")

Then I applied clampage
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 08:12:03 PM
This is my newest shop cleaner, a saw dust collection mop, or dog, whichever you prefer.

He collects the sawdust then later deposits it in the living room and on my bed

He's so useful!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 08:13:23 PM
Man did it take some time to cut out all those notches in the rafters for the cross ties
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 08:16:41 PM
But it was well worth the work. Once assembled with a liberal amount of glue the structure is light and rigid. I built the roof in two separate and equal panels. Part of the breakdown concept at work here. All the roof gets is R13 Fiberglass, chased with a sheet of rigid foam and a top layer of the poly carbonate roof stuff
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 08:18:24 PM
I finished today's work with studding out the space from the top plate up to the rafter panel
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 04, 2017, 09:09:53 PM
Looks good.  How many panels fit?


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on January 04, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
I could have sworn you had a couple of pre rangers that you said cleaned stuff up..... :huh:

I think I would be holding ammo hostage until the wood shop got cleaned up, barter works well with my girls. :wink:
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Post by: dave945 on January 04, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
That lumber looks familiar, is that what was on your trailer at costco?  Looks much more functional now as opposed to in a pile on the trailer.  But it did at least give you enough traction to keep your truck from getting stuck.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2017, 10:21:00 PM
That lumber looks familiar, is that what was on your trailer at costco?  Looks much more functional now as opposed to in a pile on the trailer.  But it did at least give you enough traction to keep your truck from getting stuck.
Same lumber, although it has changed shape somewhat...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 04, 2017, 10:50:54 PM
I have those dust collectors too, my kids,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Maybe instead of all the notches next time. Just use the same strips to build it all up to the same level. Not overbuilt as much but faster?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 12:32:51 PM
I have those dust collectors too, my kids,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Maybe instead of all the notches next time. Just use the same strips to build it all up to the same level. Not overbuilt as much but faster?
Copy that, that was a lot of cutting.

But I do have a pretty strong and light weight roof system!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:30:28 PM
Plugging away on the play house/water building

Picked up all the heat producing pieces parts. They don't seem to be working here:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:31:48 PM
Time to build on the collectors a bit more.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:32:25 PM
And they still fit!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
Had to make my own rip fence to cut the big sheets of plywood

I had to give it the BDA (Big D Approval, with the thumbs up device)
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:35:34 PM
Next on to the non existing doors. Time to create them

First I needed to add on the exterior sheeting
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Dog winked at me!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:37:50 PM
I first built the door frames out of 1 X 4 to keep the doors light, but still reasonably strong
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:39:09 PM
Inside view, you can see the tight clearances. I want to start with small cracks which equals less of an area to seal with a gasket
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:40:15 PM
First door is created
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:40:57 PM
And it is definitely pretty snug
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 08:42:54 PM
And the second door

These are built in the same manner as the collector boxes. Everything is both screwed and glued
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 05, 2017, 09:08:54 PM
Question before you get to far- can you get the tanks in/out those doors?  Just a  :facepalm: preventative thought.....otherwise looking good!
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 05, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
Question before you get to far- can you get the tanks in/out those doors?  Just a  :facepalm: preventative thought.....otherwise looking good!
My guess is if they need removed use the tractor to lift the whole assembly off of the top of the tank


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 05, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
Question before you get to far- can you get the tanks in/out those doors?  Just a  :facepalm: preventative thought.....otherwise looking good!
Why would I need to Mike?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:03:32 PM
Got the thing sheeted finally

Starting with a side wall it's just a lot of labor to carry the panels, fit, mark, cut, glue and screw them into place, then moving on

It all started with finishing out the collector panel south wall
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:04:12 PM
Then on to a side
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:05:51 PM
Then the other side:

And just like that the exterior sheeting was complete. The trim still has to be added after some more fitting, insulation, and painting.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:07:31 PM
To make the roof panels removable I planned to "Key" them in place with some pins. I'll be using 1/2" PVC as the pins. First I positioned the two roof panels and temporarily screw them in place
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:08:27 PM
Then I added nailers to the lower edge
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:09:18 PM
I found a spade bit that produced a hole which was just a tad bit looser than "snug"
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
And right in the middle of drilling the first hole, my Bosch drill grenaded!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2017, 08:11:12 PM
It either stripped the gears in the transmission or the clutch let go. It won't transfer but a little torque, then it starts slipping!

Grrrrrr.......
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 07, 2017, 04:09:50 AM
Desalt 20v brushless Lipo battery here you come http://www.dewalt.com/en-us/products/power-tools/drills/drills-and-hammer-drills/20v-max-xr-lithium-ion-brushless-3speed-drilldriver-kit/dcd991p2


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on January 07, 2017, 07:27:00 AM
I have a 20V Dewalt like that I have been using for my drywall project. Screwing into the petrified fir my home is framed in it's taking a beating. I am having to use HD square drive screws and that little Dewalt is getting it done. So far... Impressed. FWIW
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 07, 2017, 09:11:51 AM
Desalt 20v brushless Lipo battery here you come http://www.dewalt.com/en-us/products/power-tools/drills/drills-and-hammer-drills/20v-max-xr-lithium-ion-brushless-3speed-drilldriver-kit/dcd991p2


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Dave you own that?
I have a 20Volt Porter Cable down at ma place, but use the Bosch up here.

You use the Dewalt?

Norm is using it screwing into steel (Old hardwood) which is a pretty good endorsement...
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 07, 2017, 09:12:56 AM
I'm gonna pull this one down, see if I can fix it. Maybe fix a rail to it while it's apart so I can add attachments...;-)
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Post by: stlaser on January 07, 2017, 12:12:31 PM
Don I've been running dewalt for last 16 years. My 18v setup built one home & first shop then remodeled my farmhouse. Tool dealer (fastenal has this deal right now btw) to trade in old dewalts  for new 20v dewalts so I did and had maybe $150 in new setup which was hammer drill / screw gun combo & cordless reciprocating saw. I've since added more tools (jig saw & spot light more batteries & weedeater) but the new drill built my multi tier deck and finished my garage. Also doing basement at this time & no issue. The fact I ran my other old units for years and then they gave me a huge discount for being loyal on a new set is pretty stand up imo.
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Post by: Sammconn on January 07, 2017, 12:21:35 PM
Like Shawn, I have bled yellow for a lot of years. My original 18 volt set is 12-14 years old. Can't remember. I've replaced batteries over the years, but the tools have fell from roofs, decks, docks you name it. The saws-all worked under water to cut bent pipes off of the dock this spring. I wasn't fond f it, but it didn't care.
I too recently came on a good deal...and have some 20 volt stuff too.
I can't arrest to its durability like the 18 stuff, but it sure feels the same.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 07, 2017, 01:43:36 PM
I have the dewalt combo mini impact and drill.  It is hands down my favorite tool on the bench. 


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Title: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 07, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
This kit to be exact, http://www.dewalt.com/en-us/products/power-tools/combo-kits/20v-max-xr-lithium-ion-brushless-premium-hammerdrill--impact-driver-combo-kit-50ah/dck299p2I bought the non brushless and it was garbage, dewalt also makes three lines.   The homedepo store sells the bottom end, the contractor grade weighs more but has metal parts, then they are owned by Stanley/black n deck or so those fall into the third.    Well worth the cost


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Post by: stlaser on January 07, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
I have the dewalt combo mini impact and drill.  It is hands down my favorite tool on the bench. 


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I have that mini impact driver, it's tough...
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 07, 2017, 07:32:55 PM
I built my whole deck off of one battery with those lithium batteries.   


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 07, 2017, 08:05:09 PM
OK, Dewalt 991...I'm off to the races...
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Post by: Wilbur on January 07, 2017, 08:56:07 PM
Ditto DeWalt....I also think Porter Cable stuff is good but I like the yellow.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 07, 2017, 09:13:58 PM
Ditto DeWalt....I also think Porter Cable stuff is good but I like the yellow.
Ditto DeWalt....I also think Porter Cable stuff is good but I like the yellow.
I've had this old Porter Cable 18 Volt drill since 2002 or 03. It has so many miles on it that the chuck stem wobbles big time, but it still runs a screw.
Because of that one, I purchased a new PC 20 volt drill and hammer drill set. It is running like a top, I'm completely satisfied, but that drill is farm side, not here.
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Post by: Dawg25385 on January 08, 2017, 12:27:17 AM
Dewalt 18v xrp is what I have. Extremely satisfied. Love em, they're workhorses, heavy duty. Sawzall will tear through a battery, but the drill and driver are money. Cordless circ saw is great too for small stuff. I just have the nicad batteries too.


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Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 08, 2017, 06:42:07 PM
I picked up the Dewalt 996 drill, couldn't find a 991. Got the compatible 1/4" impact driver as well

996 has a three speed trans and the 650 watt motor. But, came with 3 ah batteries, not the 5ah. I suppose I can add a 5ah bat to the collection in time. I'll just add all dewalt 20VDC tools from here on so the batteries will be compatible
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Post by: Sammconn on January 08, 2017, 10:17:12 PM
I believe...that the 120 volt stuff is also compatible with the 20 volt.
They have some fancy 60/20 volt battery. I haven't looked into it much, as I'm having a hard time with abandoning my 18 volt stuff.
They have limited tools that run 120 volt, table saw, 1/2" monster drill (60 I think), chop saw???
Saw an ad for it but didn't want to investigate too far.

So where I'm going, I think the batteries from the big volts tools will also parallel down to the 20 volt stuff. I think it's a connection difference where they connect in series on one set of contacts for 60, and parallel on another for 20.
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Post by: Dawg25385 on January 08, 2017, 11:25:31 PM
I picked up the Dewalt 996 drill, couldn't find a 991. Got the compatible 1/4" impact driver as well

996 has a three speed trans and the 650 watt motor. But, came with 3 ah batteries, not the 5ah. I suppose I can add a 5ah bat to the collection in time. I'll just add all dewalt 20VDC tools from here on so the batteries will be compatible

I think you made a good buy. Nice that they make the "big" and "little" batteries too. Lithium Ion is the bees knees too from what i've read.

I'm eyeballing the bosch 12v kit, for smaller projects and finish work, as my 18v XRP NiCad batteries are monsters. But they'll drive 3" deck screws like nobody's business.
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Post by: JR on January 09, 2017, 01:01:27 AM
Well I'm a porter cable guy. I killed a few Gobi went to dealt 20v but went to porter over price and availability

I has not been disappointed
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on January 09, 2017, 08:16:22 AM
All the tools I run are Milwaukee.  My grinders have a lot of hard miles on them with 0 issues so I keep going back to them when I get a new tool.  My little 1/4" impact basically built my house.  They drive screws so much better then a regular old drill.  I'm betting that after you drive a few screws with that impact you will be thinking about picking one up for the farm also.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
I LIKE THAT DRILL!

Thanks Dave for pointing me toward that awesome drill. Like I said I ended up with the 996, not the 991. They are both the absolute top of the line drills. What's that cool way the chuck depresses a bit when you push it into the work?

That's cool!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:17:25 PM
Oh, and mine can be used as a hammer as well!

Just turn it to hammer and beat the heck out of nails and things!

Or maybe that means something else...?  ;-))
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:19:02 PM
It made quick work of those CPVC holes I had been drilling.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:20:36 PM
I staked the alignment dowel with a single screw. I pushed it apart and back together several times. The concept works!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:22:30 PM
Next up, I trimmed out the doors. I created a 3/4" flange that I'll attach some weatherstrip to to seal up those gaps
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:24:29 PM
Then I fitted a 2", then a 3/4" piece of foam board to the inside of the door
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:27:22 PM
Then the other door
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:28:21 PM
Next up I insulated one of the roof panels
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:33:14 PM
Using standard R13 bat, the space was filled nicely
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:35:53 PM
I then covered the underside (Inside) surface with a piece of rigid foam board
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Flipping all that business over I attached the roof panels, end gap sealers first then two poly carbonate panels
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
I used an overlap and some sealer/adhesive on the second panel
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2017, 09:40:50 PM
I finished the night with adding on the side trim piece glued to the roof, and overlapping the wall
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Post by: stlaser on January 09, 2017, 10:03:15 PM
More pictures please..... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on January 09, 2017, 11:09:24 PM
You're going to love that drill. Not sure which I have but its one of those two and it rocks.
My 18 volt one I drilled more concrete that I care to remember.
Steel gearcase gets hot after a few hours, but it never quit.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 10, 2017, 07:43:12 PM
Better made than many homes!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 01:16:30 PM
Still loving that drill!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 02:06:15 PM
Finished the other roof panel
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 02:07:25 PM
This small gap will get some insulation and a top cover of the roof panel stuff when it is stitched together on site
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Added in the soffets
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 02:08:43 PM
And it is about to turn gray in color
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 02:09:35 PM
1st coat is on
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 02:10:47 PM
Then the second and the third
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 02:11:53 PM
Drying nicely, will get a mossy green on the trim panels
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: KensAuto on January 11, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
Don, did you say that this was for your water storage? I would assume you'll disassemble to transport?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on January 11, 2017, 06:28:21 PM
I used an overlap and some sealer/adhesive on the second panel

I always thought you screwed the ridge top not the valley?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on January 11, 2017, 08:00:42 PM

I always thought you screwed the ridge top not the valley?

This topic is typically debated by even professional installers.  Different manufacturers recommend different methods also.  Generally steel is fastened in the flat.  This allows the ridges to compress and expand during heat cycles.  If you have ever spent time in a steel building with the sun beating on it you have probably heard the steel popping from expansion.

Seeing as this isn't steel the recommended method may be different.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Superwhdm on January 11, 2017, 08:24:58 PM
 Don, that's a dream scape you've got my friend.  Good times.  Build looks great!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:00:38 PM
Don, did you say that this was for your water storage? I would assume you'll disassemble to transport?
Yes it is. It will house two 330 gallon "Tote" water tanks

The structure breaks down for transport to the site, yes
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:01:20 PM
I used an overlap and some sealer/adhesive on the second panel

I always thought you screwed the ridge top not the valley?
Well, maybe you do!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:04:59 PM
Well, time to build the solar collectors

Remember the boxes that were built some time ago?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
There will be a plenum in the bottom for the cool air, and one at the top for the warmed air
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:07:21 PM
Aluminum is a good conductor of heat, and the stuff heats up PDQ as well. I selected aluminum downspout for the elements which will (when painted black) get as hot as the dickens and heat that enclosure containing the water
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Post by: JR on January 11, 2017, 09:09:18 PM
Good idea and cheap! Tried the rustoleum 15 dry time paint on it? Getting to really like that stuff.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:13:38 PM
The heat collector grid measures 32" X 35.5" for a total of 7.88 sq ft.

Two collectors yield 15.77 sq ft of heat collection.

From what I have read, the normal delta for a collector of this type is around 70 degrees. So if I'm pulling in air at 28 degrees for example, the output during the direct sunlight time will be 98 degrees. I have seen some designs put enough heat out to actually melt plastic! These things work!

I am creating two different designs for experimentation purposes. One will use seven tubes and have a slanted design. The other will have a staggered arrangement of tubage and feature eight tubes
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:14:24 PM
Good idea and cheap! Tried the rustoleum 15 paint on it? Gettin to really like that stuff.
I'm painting them tomorrow, I'll use the rusto stuff.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:15:48 PM
To keep the heat concentrated in the box and on the tubes, I insulated the collector box with R6 1" thick, high temp thermo board
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:16:44 PM
To seal the plenum ends, I created bulkheads from 3/4
 pine board
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:17:50 PM
And I got reacquainted with my dad's band saw. It took forever to cut out all those holes
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:19:06 PM
Then the radiator grid section was assembled
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:20:01 PM
Then that was fitted into the collector box
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Then some more insulation
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:21:47 PM
And part of the finished unit...Dog refuses to get out of the way!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:22:47 PM
Then, the staggered design box was assembled
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 11, 2017, 09:23:45 PM
Looks great and a thought just came to me.

What if you ran a water pipe along the top where the heat comes out? Just a simple 1/2 alum (great heat transfer) to heat the water in one system?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
Here is the slanted tube collector fitted to the structure
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:25:23 PM
Looks great and a thought just came to me.

What if you ran a water pipe along the top where the heat comes out? Just a simple 1/2 alum (great heat transfer) to heat the water in one system?
Ya know, JR, I was thinking the same thing
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2017, 09:26:24 PM
Dog still hasn't moved!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 11, 2017, 09:28:04 PM
Love to see this thing work. Do you have one of those hand held no touch thermometers? I use them for all kinds of stuff.
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Post by: Sammconn on January 11, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
Very interested to see these work.
And if you get them there in the cold.
Some sub freezing info I'm very interested in.

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Post by: JR on January 11, 2017, 09:46:38 PM
With the sun low this time of year the side mount should work great. Can it pivot to face the sun better or a solid mount?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 12, 2017, 09:27:59 AM
Love to see this thing work. Do you have one of those hand held no touch thermometers? I use them for all kinds of stuff.
JR, I was actually going to instrument the thing
Take multiple temp readings
Collector intake
Collector discharge
Enclosure temp
Ambient temp
Water temp
and a quoffee maker...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 12, 2017, 09:30:28 AM
Very interested to see these work.
And if you get them there in the cold.
Some sub freezing info I'm very interested in.


The design I am copying to some extent I got from a fella living near the hills in Wyoming. The collectors actually heat his shop in the winter months to 60's with below zero outside
I'd post a link, but I don't have cause I made it up!
No, seriously that's where I picked it all up, and it had been working for this gentleman for a number of years
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 12, 2017, 09:32:20 AM
Very interested to see these work.
And if you get them there in the cold.
Some sub freezing info I'm very interested in.


The design I am copying to some extent I got from a fella living near the hills in Wyoming. The collectors actually heat his shop in the winter months to 60's with below zero outside
I'd post a link, but I don't have cause I made it up!
No, seriously that's where I picked it all up, and it had been working for this gentleman for a number of years
With the sun low this time of year the side mount should work great. Can it pivot to face the sun better or a solid mount?
Well, I decided to just build it in on the vertical then document efficiency. I think these two collectors are enough to slight overkill. In the higher angle summer, they will be covered and not used so the vertical works for that season even better
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Post by: EL TATE on January 12, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Fine work Don. I'm very impressed that you could hand cut those holes on two boards and have them line up so well. Sure you didn't miss your calling as an Amish furniture maker?
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 12, 2017, 11:47:37 AM
Fine work Don. I'm very impressed that you could hand cut those holes on two boards and have them line up so well. Sure you didn't miss your calling as an Amish furniture maker?
Believe me, my friend, it's not all that purdy!
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Post by: EL TATE on January 12, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
well mine would have been so far off you'd have to bend the tubes to get it to line up. at least for the 1st 2-3 attempts.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 12, 2017, 03:01:04 PM
well mine would have been so far off you'd have to bend the tubes to get it to line up. at least for the 1st 2-3 attempts.
I live with the blessing of old age, a state where you occasionally cut things straight (But not often)
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Post by: rpar86 on January 12, 2017, 04:50:13 PM
Am I the only one that uses Makita drills? lol  Have a Dewalt table saw and 12" sliding compound. 

Don, cutting those holes with a jigsaw might have been quicker :)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 12, 2017, 08:52:15 PM
Am I the only one that uses Makita drills? lol  Have a Dewalt table saw and 12" sliding compound. 

Don, cutting those holes with a jigsaw might have been quicker :)
Left the jig saw batteries down at the farm :-(
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:50:54 PM
Didn't work on it past two days, so don't ask!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:33:58 PM
But I worked a bit on it today!

First up I pulled the heat collector grid and sealed them with silicone
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:35:24 PM
After that set up some, I gave the heat sink part a squirt of flat black paint. THis time I used a large can of Rustoluem on each collector
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:37:21 PM
Then after allowing those to dry for just long enough that only some of the paint got smeared onto my favorite ARMY T-Shirt, I married them back up with their housings
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
The plan is to paint the aluminum parts, but leave the aluminum foil in the center section exposed so that a small bit of light might get reflected onto the backside of the tubes, hopefully increasing efficiency
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:41:16 PM
Next I laid a thick bead of polyurethane expanding foam onto the top surfaces, then pushed the poly-acrylic plastic into the gooey mess. This step both bedded the plastic panes nicely, and put the finishing touches of destruction to my fav T-Shirt!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:42:07 PM
Second unit followed suit
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:45:51 PM
I'll be ordering several small blower motors such as you'd find in your desctop computer. I found a few that are less than 5" in diameter that are 12 volt and push over 100CFM of air. Two of those in each collector with corresponding holes for the outlet should do the trick

After trimming these collectors and painting them green to keep the hippies happy, I'll get inside the unit and place the insulation all over creation. Following that, I only have hinges, cutting access for the 4" fill/collection pipe, and finding a spot and setting up the pump board
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2017, 07:49:02 PM
Oh yea, forgot to mention. I'll file down the foam once it sets up and send the filings to some tree huger in California, claiming it is the crematory remains of some flower child that went out while chewing too many mushrooms. They'll spread it dutifully in some recently filled local reservoir and JR will eventually taste it in his drinking water!

Life is good!
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Post by: JR on January 16, 2017, 07:57:01 PM
Yep that foam gets everywhere, but I doubt quit this far with Dons shirts in the way.
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Post by: Wilbur on January 16, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
Don that looks really great. Any thought to mounting the top with a hinge? Then you cold angle them to maximize solar heat in the winter then let them close back up in the spring past freezing weather. I'm very interested in your temp results.
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Post by: dave945 on January 17, 2017, 07:04:28 AM
that looks pretty sweet, I'm really interested on your temperature differentials when all is said and done since I'm only a few.miles north of you.

Dave
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 09:42:57 AM
Don that looks really great. Any thought to mounting the top with a hinge? Then you cold angle them to maximize solar heat in the winter then let them close back up in the spring past freezing weather. I'm very interested in your temp results.
Wil, like I've said before the expectations for these, my first solar heat collectors are low...Just keep the water tanks from freezing in the winter, nothing more

But I have started something here which I will be expanding on

I see some more solar collectors to warm the underside of the camper, thereby reducing heating needs inside
I see a panel or two warming 50 gallons of water so I can take my very necessary "beauty-bath."
I want now to incorporate several of these passive collectors into the top side of the "Shed" to make hot water and help heat that thing during the cold months, and perhaps one or two heating the underside of the shed once I skirt that thing off to warm the floor and hopefully radiate a couple of degrees of BTU type warmies into the shop of the shed.
I want to add a year-round green house, dome type with a central fish tank. I thought I might use a collector or similiar technology to warm that and keep the water up around 70F
By the time I add my proper home, likely a partially buried log home, I'll incorporate lots of technology into the design to take advantage of low angle winter sunlight

But as for hinged top: Nope.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 09:43:52 AM
that looks pretty sweet, I'm really interested on your temperature differentials when all is said and done since I'm only a few.miles north of you.

Dave
Should have it installed early in Feb, so we'll know soon.
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Post by: JR on January 17, 2017, 12:27:09 PM
A greenhouse could be a big solar heater all on its own.
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Post by: dave945 on January 17, 2017, 06:33:14 PM
that looks pretty sweet, I'm really interested on your temperature differentials when all is said and done since I'm only a few.miles north of you.

Dave
Should have it installed early in Feb, so we'll know soon.

I'd offer to lend a hand, but I'm afraid I'd end up face first in the back of your truck with my head in a gunny sack to keep the location secure.  That being said, I'd probably still be willing to help if you needed it, I'm a little odd like that.

Dave
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 08:23:26 PM
that looks pretty sweet, I'm really interested on your temperature differentials when all is said and done since I'm only a few.miles north of you.

Dave
Should have it installed early in Feb, so we'll know soon.

I'd offer to lend a hand, but I'm afraid I'd end up face first in the back of your truck with my head in a gunny sack to keep the location secure.  That being said, I'd probably still be willing to help if you needed it, I'm a little odd like that.

Dave
I run the local security ministry where I am teaching a bunch of folks stuff like you just described. If you showed up, we may treat you as a training aid!
Dunno, it'd be fun for us!
Wanna show up at a training session?
Think about it... ;-)
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 08:24:27 PM
With the foam all properly hardened, I sanded down the edges and shaped the collectors up s little better
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 08:25:55 PM
That stuff latched right onto the acrylic panel. I'll have to use a saw to remove the clear stuff if I ever need to. I used a saw, then some sand paper to contour in the edges enough to hold paint and not look like a complete mess
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 08:27:18 PM
Then I placed them into the cutouts in the structure

And trimmed around them creating a flange which I can attach weather stripping to the backside to help seal in the heated air
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 08:28:17 PM
I created a ledge just above the acrylic and beveled the edge so that water will drip away from the plastic (I think)
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 08:29:50 PM
Then after taping off the doors, I started painting the trim
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2017, 08:31:03 PM
And then started painting some of the trim.

Note: Most of the trim is not installed yet. I plan to create it, then paint it seperately and assemble once on site
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Post by: JR on January 17, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
I'd say drag it out and try it, but no fans yet?
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Post by: stlaser on January 17, 2017, 09:18:34 PM
This is quite the interesting contraption, guessing with tuck mild winters this may in fact work. Good job Big D.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 01:24:15 PM
This is quite the interesting contraption, guessing with tuck mild winters this may in fact work. Good job Big D.
It's been working in Wyoming doing the same thing. Ought to work here
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 01:24:31 PM
I'd say drag it out and try it, but no fans yet?
Fans are coming
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: moto123 on January 18, 2017, 01:31:21 PM
I am not sold yet on the clear corrugated panel.  I have three main issues with it and am thinking a clear single pane glass would be better.  It would be very interesting to compare the two directly.  Will your panels work?  Yes. But will they be the most optimum, premium, best possible solution?  I think more testing is required.   :popcorn:

1.  not completely clear, anything less than totally clear will block sunlight and reflect the energy back outside instead of letting it in.
2.  corrugations increase surface area, increasing the heat loss through the window
3.  corrugations have so many different angles, it would diffuse the light into some strange angles, again seems less efficient.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 18, 2017, 01:36:22 PM
Dark colors absorb heat.

Maybe another about the same size to see the diff with glass.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on January 18, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
This is quite the interesting contraption, guessing with tuck mild winters this may in fact work. Good job Big D.
It's been working in Wyoming doing the same thing. Ought to work here

Wyoming, well that's a real man state so I would have to agree..... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: dave945 on January 18, 2017, 02:49:36 PM
that looks pretty sweet, I'm really interested on your temperature differentials when all is said and done since I'm only a few.miles north of you.

Dave
Should have it installed early in Feb, so we'll know soon.

I'd offer to lend a hand, but I'm afraid I'd end up face first in the back of your truck with my head in a gunny sack to keep the location secure.  That being said, I'd probably still be willing to help if you needed it, I'm a little odd like that.

Dave
I run the local security ministry where I am teaching a bunch of folks stuff like you just described. If you showed up, we may treat you as a training aid!
Dunno, it'd be fun for us!
Wanna show up at a training session?
Think about it... ;-)
Sounds like an adventure I might be willing to try. If its going to happen to me I guess it would be better in a somewhat safe environment the first time. Next time it might not be so friendly. But I'm just weird when it comes to getting oddball learning experiences.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: OldKooT on January 18, 2017, 02:53:44 PM
I'd enjoy the training mission...but they would have to sign a injury waiver.

Pretty sure it's been long ago proven clear glass works the best. But it has t's drawbacks...like hail
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 06:55:18 PM
I am not sold yet on the clear corrugated panel.  I have three main issues with it and am thinking a clear single pane glass would be better.  It would be very interesting to compare the two directly.  Will your panels work?  Yes. But will they be the most optimum, premium, best possible solution?  I think more testing is required.   :popcorn:

1.  not completely clear, anything less than totally clear will block sunlight and reflect the energy back outside instead of letting it in.
2.  corrugations increase surface area, increasing the heat loss through the window
3.  corrugations have so many different angles, it would diffuse the light into some strange angles, again seems less efficient.
I'm just using the same material that is recommended by others over on the solar site.
Glass is a good transmitter, but it can be broken easily
THis stuff is a bit more robust and is less expensive.
Folks have a lot of success with the corrougated clear panel, and the light transmission is pretty close to clear glass from what I have read.
I am not going for the most and the best here. I am only trying to keep water from freezing, nothing more. This should accomplish the task so it solves a major problem for me.
Collectors I make later on might have better panels, like a clear poly-acrylic, but those would have cost $90 per collector and blown the budget up.
Part of the "Charm" of this is that it is quick, easy , and cheap. Na it works, so it checks the block, and that's all I need it to do.
Thanks for the comments though, they are all valid, mostly...
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
Those doors turned out great. I am using Bear ultimate paint, I think its called. It's not the best, but the next step down. I think it is warranted for three months not to fall off or spontaneously combust and it is hippie approved!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 06:59:11 PM
Then I threw some color on the collector panels
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 07:00:37 PM
And hung one door, but something weird happened, and the door doesn't fit well now. I have to cut a section out of the center frame which isn't easy to get a tad more room
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 07:02:58 PM
Next I drilled and installed the permanent anchor bolts (Which are removable for break-down) and removed the interior 3" wood screws that had held the business together up to this point

Those corners will get trimmed out with 4" X 3/4" painted pine board
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 07:04:44 PM
Then I started covering myself with fiberglass shards and even managed to get some of the stuff on the walls!

It will get covered with that purdy pink foam board you ladies like so much! ;-)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
Its getting there
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 06:51:00 PM
I just about have the structure completed and ready to transport down to the Farm

I just couldn't get the doors which are pretty thick, to fit well, so I cut out the center post and built another thinner one

Then hung the second door
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 06:53:07 PM
Now I am getting a nice snug fit. I am settling for the tighter fit, since I do not envision getting into that space very often.

I used a simple gate latch to hold the doors closed, although I'll double up on that once I get the thing final assembled on site
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
The pin captures both doors and holds them within an eighth of an inch from closing. I plan to build a flange behind the doors and set some foam sealer strip on it to really seal that area up
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 06:57:13 PM
I was running pretty low on the pine board, but with what I had remaining, I cut out the roof trim front and back

Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 06:57:43 PM
Remember the roof is actually two halves which must be coupled and completed once fastened to the structure, so the trim has a gap which I will cover with this patch
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
Trim pieces already cut and fitted are stacking up awaiting some paint
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 06:59:25 PM
The corners trim out with opposite and overlapping joints
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 07:00:47 PM
The underside of the roof is similarly trimmed and will get a bead of calk once final assembled
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2017, 07:01:41 PM
I came up with this little key way section to tie the underside trim pieces together

It's a bit crooked because the roof panels are not attached, but just resting there. It will all tighten up with some of those long screws!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: moto123 on January 25, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Looking great!  Can't wait to see it all broken down for transport.  Then to see if it reassembles again without any issues.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 08:46:25 PM
I finally finished distributing fibers of glass strands in and around my neckline, and the inside of the structure...YIPPEE!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 08:51:12 PM
Yes, and thank you for asking, I did tape the adjacent pieces of insulation bat together. Found this super tape that is used in the military to tape rotor blades back onto helicopter rotorheads when they fall off...Good stuff!

I created this flange surrounding the inside of the door to which I plan to affix some foam gasket stuff
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 08:52:22 PM
And added another latch

Because

I guess I purchased two of them and just noticed the one laying on the floor in a pile of debris.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 08:53:12 PM
Then I started covering the itchy mess with that foam board Shawn swoons over. Personally, I don't care for the color, but he does, so I continue using it to keep him and other folks happy
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
And more, concentrating on overlapping joints and good seals

Side note: At this point, around 1530, the Scout dog escaped, but I hadn't realized it. I didn't realize it until I was showering at 1745 and realized the dog wasn't around

So off we went hunting the thing

and found him

In a mud puddle in the back of the neighbors, several houses up the street
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
The door seal detail is shown here minus the foam gasket that will get applied over some paint
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 08:59:23 PM
I cut up the scrap foam board and stuffed it into every remaining nook and cranny
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
Then covered the remaining exposed wood

I want to say I have a minimum of R17 walls and roof. Not the best, but much better than bare studded and sheeted wall. Considering the potential for thermal storage of 500+ gallons of water, I shouldn't see any problems out of this setup excpet under very severe conditions.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 25, 2017, 09:38:48 PM
I was going to suggest tyveking it, but that works!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: dave945 on January 25, 2017, 09:56:34 PM
Just a thought, not sure if it really a concern pr not.  What about moisture levels and mold inside the structure, particularly in the warmer months. You are going to have 500 gallons of h2o stored in there, so there is a good chance of humidity and condensation.  Not sure what the fix action would be,but I would guess it would be preferrsble to remediation.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cj7ox on January 26, 2017, 09:45:48 AM
Just a thought, not sure if it really a concern pr not.  What about moisture levels and mold inside the structure, particularly in the warmer months. You are going to have 500 gallons of h2o stored in there, so there is a good chance of humidity and condensation.  Not sure what the fix action would be,but I would guess it would be preferrsble to remediation.

How about creating a collector for all that condensation, that transports it to the water supply? I don't know how you'd do it, specifically, but I'm sure the vast amount of ingenuity and intellect that Big D has in his BHG (Brain Housing Group) could figure it out.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: EL TATE on January 26, 2017, 10:51:53 AM
Smaller version of this stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_water_generator
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: dave945 on January 26, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
I may be just a dumb Kentucky hock, but isn't that just a dehumidifier with a filter and a spigot?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Wilbur on January 26, 2017, 03:07:02 PM
I may be just a dumb Kentucky hock, but isn't that just a dehumidifier with a filter and a spigot?

Yeah but its lots cooler looking with the arrows and colors.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2017, 03:43:04 PM
Just a thought, not sure if it really a concern pr not.  What about moisture levels and mold inside the structure, particularly in the warmer months. You are going to have 500 gallons of h2o stored in there, so there is a good chance of humidity and condensation.  Not sure what the fix action would be,but I would guess it would be preferrsble to remediation.
I don't know what to design/modify for at the moment. I just can't guess at what might happen once I get the thing running. I would expect some moisture, but with all the insulation, temp changes should be less than what we see in a normal shed. And speaking of which, how much moisture and or mold do we see inside sheds?
The tanks will be fairly well sealed, hooked to a filler pipe and rain gutter collection pipe which will have a vent as well. So the transfer of water vapor outside the tank should be minimal.

But the structure will sit atop a gravel base (Read: Porous) so again, who knows yet???
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on January 27, 2017, 03:20:49 AM
I think you will be OK. It is not a air tight area and you are moving air though it.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:47:25 AM
I just suffered a Catastrophic PFE! (Picture Fail Event)

I worked a bunch on the containment building yestertag, dutifully snappin' up the good pics, then went to down load them on the confuser last night, and all I know for sure is they were on the camera, and on the card. But somewhere between moving the pics from the card to the hard drive, then were sent to another dimension.

The pictures would have told the story of some cool tools and my installing the water fill pipeage and foolin with some pesky stuff called PEX.

Now this PEX stuff is strange. Not the semi felible tube, but the fittings. So I started wout with brand new RV parts. A Sur-Flow pump, a filter and an accumulator. It would seem the threads on the PEX are not 1/2" NPT. They are some Chinese, hungul, Hajji, Eskimo thing, because they did not fit.

Not so much that they didn't fit, but that in not fitting, I destroyed my Sur-Flow pump, which to my knowledge has not seen it's first spark, and the dandy pressure bladder (Accumulator) with it's plastic threads. Both of those threaded nipples are now discolored, twisted, and pointing off in some unnatural angle that they did not come with.

So what the heck is it with this PEX thread adapter fitting curse?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:22:58 AM
Hold on, not so quick there beaver!

I found em'

So let's start with a pic of the floor

Cool hugh?

Actually, the tape represents the area of the floor that the actual water tanks will soon occupy
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:24:07 AM
And the cool hole saw (Expensive!!) that will carve a neat hole through all the layers in this thing
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:25:09 AM
Due to the wall thickness, I had to come in from both sides, using a pilot hole (Get it: Pilot hole!!!)
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:27:47 AM
Junkin' up my Duluth cool guy shirt, but what the heck, gotta git it dun!

There will be an elbow and the pipe will pass through the structure. One end will be capped and used to add water from my trailer. The opposite elbow will connect to the rain gutter to be installed on the camper

Remember, this is a "Survival" system and not to be used for the wife's 200 gallon showers
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:28:35 AM
A 5" hole saw is about right for a 4" sched 40 or 80 4" pipe
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:29:16 AM
Illustrating location of fill pipe
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
The pipe was built on the floor of the structure. The "X" marks the center of the tank and the 6" fill port
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
Rain gutter connection point. Note that the pipe is not final assembled and breaks down for final fitting and gluing up on site
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:34:16 AM
The mechanicals will be mounted on this PT 3/4" plywood panel which will mount about here:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:35:43 AM
The major components will be a quality filter, a high pressure (55psi) pump, and a pressure bladder made for RV's
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:37:12 AM
First off, I mounted the filter "Holder"
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 09:40:18 AM
Then I want about destroying the water pump and splitting my two remaining fingers open trying to fit mis-matching threads from the PEX coupling fittings to the NPT nipples on the pump.

After that I threw in the towel, and went upstairs for spaghetti!

I need to solve this dilems. I feel that PEX is the right way to go. It stands up to being frozen way mo-better that PVC
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on February 14, 2017, 10:01:21 AM
Don, the threads are different, you know this now.
I think it is the pump that has oddball threads...CRS back to 2012 a bit here.
I think that an RV dealer would likely have the bits you need.
I seem to remember something Wierd with the pump on mine when I was fabbing up permenant winterizing lines.

The PEX is definitely the way you want to go.
Looking good other than the carnage.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on February 14, 2017, 11:52:01 AM
And what is wrong with a 200 gallon shower?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: EL TATE on February 14, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
And what is wrong with a 200 gallon shower?

nothing if you're not in southern California or living off the grid :rolleyes: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
And what is wrong with a 200 gallon shower?
Nuthin!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 04:57:26 PM
Don, the threads are different, you know this now.
I think it is the pump that has oddball threads...CRS back to 2012 a bit here.
I think that an RV dealer would likely have the bits you need.
I seem to remember something Wierd with the pump on mine when I was fabbing up permenant winterizing lines.

The PEX is definitely the way you want to go.
Looking good other than the carnage.
Ciphered it out Mr. Sam

I earned the crescent wrench bonehead award

The fittings I was using were compression fittings, not NPT

I now have a new pump $99 (Gulp)

And a bag full of the correct fittings
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 14, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
No way to chase the threads and make the other pump work?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Sammconn on February 14, 2017, 06:41:50 PM
Don, the threads are different, you know this now.
I think it is the pump that has oddball threads...CRS back to 2012 a bit here.
I think that an RV dealer would likely have the bits you need.
I seem to remember something Wierd with the pump on mine when I was fabbing up permenant winterizing lines.

The PEX is definitely the way you want to go.
Looking good other than the carnage.
Ciphered it out Mr. Sam

I earned the crescent wrench bonehead award

The fittings I was using were compression fittings, not NPT

I now have a new pump $99 (Gulp)

And a bag full of the correct fittings

 :knucklehead: award!
Glad to hear it's figured.
Looks like you have a parts pump now too...
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Post by: KensAuto on February 14, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
...or an extra fuel pump for the cumminGs! hah
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
...or an extra fuel pump for the cumminGs! hah
Good one!
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
OK, here's the two incorrect fittings, along with the correct PVC/PEX fitting I discovered today
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:08:46 PM
And the new Sur-Flow 55psi pump

I figured out what to do with the mangled pump. I'll order a new pump base, the plastic part and repair mine. THen I'll plumb a line to a spigot so I can have a point to collect water for building, washing or squirting the little people who come wantering by too close ! ;-)
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
Then I leveled up the filter and snugged it in its cradle mount a little better
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:12:03 PM
Here is the pump board with the pump, the pressure bladder and the pex tubing all screwed together and ready for some dog to chew apart
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:12:59 PM
It is mounted temporarily here awaiting the tear-down and shipment to the farm
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:14:49 PM
The outlet will be routed through the hole in the block of wood, then out through the hole in the side of the structure. I'll foam seal the thing to within an inch of its life when it gets installed
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:16:01 PM
I plumbed up a faucet with a handy pex fitting that actually fit properly!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
I mounted that into a piece of 3/4" pine board
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:17:43 PM
And mounted it to the side of the structure
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
The hole comes through just in front of where the water tanks will sit, so I'll just zip tie the PEX line in place to secure it down

The green tape line represents the forward edge of the 330 gallon tank
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 08:21:00 PM
The main fill pipe will have two branches coming off and making a turn into the top of the tank
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Post by: rpar86 on February 14, 2017, 08:48:48 PM
As you have them, those wye's are backward, and water will have to go past and then come back to make that turn. You may want to rethink using wye's and use a standard tee, or simply turn those around.
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Post by: JR on February 14, 2017, 10:13:01 PM
Looks like he has them opposite of each other. Looks like 3 inch line and it comes in from both sides.

It may work OK letting water flow in but slow it down from going out the other side.

On the PEX, doesn't it still use clamps?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 10:19:23 PM
As you have them, those wye's are backward, and water will have to go past and then come back to make that turn. You may want to rethink using wye's and use a standard tee, or simply turn those around.
I placed the Wye's that way on purpose. I didn't want all the water to fill the first tank. I wanted the water to bypass somewhat so that it would "Dam up" a little and hopefully fill the tanks somewhat equally. The tanks will be connected at the bottom via a 2" manifold, so equalization will take place over time, but in case I have a water truck come out and top me off, I wanted to design in some type of equal filling
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2017, 10:20:47 PM
Looks like he has them opposite of each other. Looks like 3 inch line and it comes in from both sides.

It may work OK letting water flow in but slow it down from going out the other side.

On the PEX, doesn't it still use clamps?
4" pipe

Wye's are opposite. See above comment
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on February 14, 2017, 11:40:55 PM
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Atkinsmatt on February 15, 2017, 08:16:15 AM
Might want to use a freeze proof hose bibb or put a valve on the inside to isolate it in severe weather
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 15, 2017, 09:55:39 AM
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
I definitely plan to develop the existing well, you know that bonehead!

I'm adding to the place in stages. With everything that gets done, the place becomes even more capable of sustaining peoples, like my peoples, maybe some of you knuckleheads, who knows...

Yep, build a ring wall up around the well mouth, then erect a metal building around it

Place a solar pump in it

Place a collection tank next to it

Run a line for the overflow from that tank to the Koi pond

Run another line up to the house cistern which doesn't exist just yet
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on February 15, 2017, 10:04:08 AM
Maybe you've discussed it before but have you tried driving a point?  If you could find water it would be a quick way to get clean drinking water without any extra filters etc..
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 15, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Maybe you've discussed it before but have you tried driving a point?  If you could find water it would be a quick way to get clean drinking water without any extra filters etc..
Driving a point???

What's that mean?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 15, 2017, 10:53:20 AM
drive in a sand/well point by hand. If the water table isn't too far down and if the ground is sandy loam and gravel they work good. You won't have 35 or 40 gpm but enough to get by.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: JR on February 15, 2017, 11:04:42 AM
$ inch should move a little water and the Y's make sense then.

Did you ever figure out the well issue with all the crud in there?
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 15, 2017, 11:16:31 AM
$ inch should move a little water and the Y's make sense then.

Did you ever figure out the well issue with all the crud in there?
There was an odd "Second surfacing" of debris that we cleaned out again.

After that other projects were consuming my time, so it is a due out at the moment
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: moto123 on February 15, 2017, 12:55:12 PM
Might want to use a freeze proof hose bibb or put a valve on the inside to isolate it in severe weather

I second this, they make freeze proof hose bibbs for a reason.  Do you have enough room inside for it? 
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on February 15, 2017, 12:56:47 PM
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
I definitely plan to develop the existing well, you know that bonehead!

I'm adding to the place in stages. With everything that gets done, the place becomes even more capable of sustaining peoples, like my peoples, maybe some of you knuckleheads, who knows...

Yep, build a ring wall up around the well mouth, then erect a metal building around it

Place a solar pump in it

Place a collection tank next to it

Run a line for the overflow from that tank to the Koi pond

Run another line up to the house cistern which doesn't exist just yet

I said a real well, you know where guy with big truck comes in & charges you money in return he knows what he's doing......
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 15, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
Might want to use a freeze proof hose bibb or put a valve on the inside to isolate it in severe weather

I second this, they make freeze proof hose bibbs for a reason.  Do you have enough room inside for it? 
Yes, I believe I have enough room

I'll make the change
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 15, 2017, 03:16:03 PM
I just ordered the buggerd up housing part for my ShurFlow 55psi water pump. Cost me all of $25

So when that puppy is repaired, I'll use it for a dedicated line for the spigot...Watch out little people!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Bear9350 on February 15, 2017, 03:21:20 PM

Driving a point???

What's that mean?

A well or sand point.  You drive/ pound a perforated pipe with a screen into the earth until you get to the water table.  The first few feet will be the point,  then just keep adding pipe to it until you get deep enough.  Like Bob said it works really good in sandy/ gravel soils.  Looking at some of your previous pics and of the work you did with Sarge I would think you should have decent soil for it.  Also based on the depth of the exposed well and that mud hole you sometimes call a pond I would think your water table isn't to low. 

You can purchase an electric pump to bring the water to the surface, or for occasional use an old hand pump would work great.  I would venture that for less then a couple hundred dollars and a days work you could be drinking fresh water.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: stlaser on February 15, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Local well guy (sometimes state funded websites too, we had them in Indiana) can tell you static local water depth FYI.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 15, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
I definitely plan to develop the existing well, you know that bonehead!

I'm adding to the place in stages. With everything that gets done, the place becomes even more capable of sustaining peoples, like my peoples, maybe some of you knuckleheads, who knows...

Yep, build a ring wall up around the well mouth, then erect a metal building around it

Place a solar pump in it

Place a collection tank next to it

Run a line for the overflow from that tank to the Koi pond

Run another line up to the house cistern which doesn't exist just yet

AKA - Mash House/Still House with overflow line going to "Raccoon Feeding Pond" alternately known as Don's Hippie Wash Station.
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: dave945 on February 15, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
Local well guy (sometimes state funded websites too, we had them in Indiana) can tell you static local water depth FYI.

Follow the link below, trust me, its safe :grin:
 Actually, this is the kentucky state GIS system with well information.  If there are wells in the area of your place, it will show the total depth, casing depth and bedrock.  If it is a newer well, it will also show well quality(gpm and such data).  Hope this helps with a little technical data.

http://kgs.uky.edu/kgsmap/KGSWater/viewer.asp (http://kgs.uky.edu/kgsmap/KGSWater/viewer.asp)
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 15, 2017, 09:02:04 PM
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
I definitely plan to develop the existing well, you know that bonehead!

I'm adding to the place in stages. With everything that gets done, the place becomes even more capable of sustaining peoples, like my peoples, maybe some of you knuckleheads, who knows...

Yep, build a ring wall up around the well mouth, then erect a metal building around it

Place a solar pump in it

Place a collection tank next to it

Run a line for the overflow from that tank to the Koi pond

Run another line up to the house cistern which doesn't exist just yet

AKA - Mash House/Still House with overflow line going to "Raccoon Feeding Pond" alternately known as Don's Hippie Wash Station.
Not Raccoons Mike, Cows! Now four to six of them.

Tell you what, if no one claims them by next fall, I will!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 15, 2017, 09:09:21 PM
Most people around the area of my farm have cisterns that collect rain water or have water trucked in. Rain more than keeps up for most folks
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2017, 05:27:34 PM
I now have the building broken down and loaded for transport to the farm

It took very little time to tear it down. It took more time and care to carry all the pieces outside through a low door than unscrewing it all
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2017, 05:28:34 PM
Doors and roof off. Time: Maybe 10 minutes
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2017, 05:29:27 PM
Then the pump board and the far wall
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2017, 05:30:35 PM
Then a bit more
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2017, 05:31:48 PM
And just like that it was loaded, stacked and padded. Only need to strap it down and hook up to it and I'm on my way
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2017, 05:32:26 PM
Back to just a messy shop ready for the next out of square project!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Wilbur on February 17, 2017, 05:43:49 PM
Very cool....it will be neat seeing that working at the hide site!
Title: Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2017, 09:07:12 PM
Very cool....it will be neat seeing that working at the hide site!
Goal is to have it assembled there this week, but without the solar heat collectors. I have yet to find some powerful 12 volt fans. I have a few picked out, but I'll have to make a decision and order them

So after I re-erect the structure, I'll have to figure out the water connection to the tanks, finish the collectors and install them, then to finish, make the connection to the trailer and run a 12VDC wire from the camper's battery.

I'm knocking on the door...