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Title: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 10, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
So I figured I would join the fun and make a build of my truck. It won't be anything amazing at the moment but I have possible plans for either a diesel conversion or making it crazy fast for no reason. This will mostly be to give updates on what I do to it and ask questions about it. I'd also like to state that I bought the truck and bought everything for the truck except Christmas/Birthday presents.
I bought it stock from an old man in Houston who owned a company that made shipping containers for the airport and used the truck to tow the containers. The mileage was 143k then and is currently at 158k.
List of mods I've added in order since:
Pioneer radio with 2 10" subs under the backseats
New body style tow mirrors
Ranch Hand legend front bumper and dually wrap rear bumper
Dual hi-flow mufflers
S&B intake
New headlights housings with led hi and low beams
Jump seat from a 2013 Silverado
N-Fab wheel to wheel steps
50" curved led light bar with N-Fab roof mounts

Closest picture I can find of it stock:
(http://i.imgur.com/jMp56Xz.jpg)

How she sits now:
(http://i.imgur.com/pQme162.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 10, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
I got a new jump seat off ebay from a 2013 because the console I had wouldn't latch and was tired of the duct tape wrapped around it and didn't have a single cup holder besides my lap. This one directly bolts in and has FIVE cup holders which was very luxurious for me.
I had to remove both front seats then just lift the old seat out and toss it. The new seat is then placed and fits perfectly.
 (http://i.imgur.com/dY8Of8S.jpg)

Just had to put the front seats back in and boom. Done.
(http://i.imgur.com/ts5jSAj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Yd80lqA.jpg)

I did have to transfer my peppermint collection from Sonic into the new console which now holds approximately 738 peppermints.
(http://i.imgur.com/18OHmiF.jpg)
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 10, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
I used to think that roof mounted light bars looked goofy and then when my friend put one on his F-250 I started to think "hmm I could probably pull that off as well". You may ask "why in the world would he need a 50" light bar on a dually". Well our black cattle are skilled masters at finding weak spots in the fence at night and also nice for back roading with friends. So my birthday was coming up and asked my dad for a 50" curved light bar which I didn't expect to get but he got it anyways. He had me take it to a shop in town to have it installed because he doesn't believe in doing anything yourself :o. They only use N-Fab mounts and as far as I know are the only ones that sit right above the cab lights.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ey7McWH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zVFPJQF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/M8ILMoN.jpg)
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 10, 2015, 11:10:51 PM
Texas is full of deer and where I live you have to accept the fact that you will some day hit one so I decided to welcome them with a Ranch Hand ;D. I also thought to myself since I getting a front bumper I might as well replace the rear that the previous owner banged all up jack knifing trailers and such. Eventually got a the legend front bumper for the front and dually wrap with reverse lights for the rear. But apparently I had an aftermarket trailer hitch and had to remove it so at the moment I have the attachment that Ranch Hand makes which is rated only at 5k trailer weight and 500 pound tongue weight so I definitely need to get a new hitch.
For some reason this picture looks weird but I assure the truck is perfectly normal ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/0sn3nSu.jpg)
Favorite pic of the front:
(http://i.imgur.com/kT8WOXX.jpg)
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on May 10, 2015, 11:59:18 PM
Thats a good start. Is that senior for you, college or HS?

Oh, I just count 83 peppermints and $2.59 (which could buy more)

6 ltr or 8.1?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 11, 2015, 08:27:45 AM
Good to see another Texas dually on the forum.  I resemble that old man with a dually remark...
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 11, 2015, 09:19:45 AM
Thats a good start. Is that senior for you, college or HS?

Oh, I just count 83 peppermints and $2.59 (which could buy more)

6 ltr or 8.1?
The senior is for me, I'll be graduating high school June 6th so I'm pretty excited about that. It only has the 6.0, would have got a diesel but my dad is very anti diesel for some reason so I settled for a gasser.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 12:10:55 PM
Thats a good start. Is that senior for you, college or HS?

Oh, I just count 83 peppermints and $2.59 (which could buy more)

6 ltr or 8.1?
The senior is for me, I'll be graduating high school June 6th so I'm pretty excited about that. It only has the 6.0, would have got a diesel but my dad is very anti diesel for some reason so I settled for a gasser.
Congrats, young man!

Follow on intentions?

Ask your father to repent for the anti diesel feelings ;-))
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 11, 2015, 02:11:59 PM
Lookin good boss! I'm eyein' a set of those nfab running boards myself. How do you like them?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 11, 2015, 03:53:54 PM
Thats a good start. Is that senior for you, college or HS?

Oh, I just count 83 peppermints and $2.59 (which could buy more)

6 ltr or 8.1?
The senior is for me, I'll be graduating high school June 6th so I'm pretty excited about that. It only has the 6.0, would have got a diesel but my dad is very anti diesel for some reason so I settled for a gasser.
Congrats, young man!

Follow on intentions?

Ask your father to repent for the anti diesel feelings ;-))

I'm not completely decided but I hope to get hired onto the company my dad is with as his helper and then he can train me to become an a/c tech for them. The company owns mobile homes that oil rigs rent from them and he works on those when they have problems. If that doesn't work out I'm thinking of welding, diesel mechanic, or something pipeline related. Dream job would be to own and work a large cattle ranch.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 11, 2015, 03:58:18 PM
Lookin good boss! I'm eyein' a set of those nfab running boards myself. How do you like them?
I love them although they rattle a bit but I believe that's just the installer's error.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 11, 2015, 07:02:05 PM
Nice truck!  Great to see a young man with desire to do things himself and pay as you go- keep it up and you'll go as far as you desire! :)
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 18, 2015, 12:42:20 AM
So the next thing I want to do is get 20" wheels so I can run a m/t or a/t without spacers. My only concern is I'm getting 10.5 mpg and am afraid of how much it will drop going from a 31.7" tire to a 33" tire. Started thinking about getting a custom tune but after watching my dad fry his van with a bullydog kind of scares you away. Any ideas for better mpg besides keeping my foot out of the throttle?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:03:27 AM
So the next thing I want to do is get 20" wheels so I can run a m/t or a/t without spacers. My only concern is I'm getting 10.5 mpg and am afraid of how much it will drop going from a 31.7" tire to a 33" tire. Started thinking about getting a custom tune but after watching my dad fry his van with a bullydog kind of scares you away. Any ideas for better mpg besides keeping my foot out of the throttle?
6BT!
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 18, 2015, 12:34:46 PM
So the next thing I want to do is get 20" wheels so I can run a m/t or a/t without spacers. My only concern is I'm getting 10.5 mpg and am afraid of how much it will drop going from a 31.7" tire to a 33" tire. Started thinking about getting a custom tune but after watching my dad fry his van with a bullydog kind of scares you away. Any ideas for better mpg besides keeping my foot out of the throttle?
6BT!
Well I would like to change it over to diesel but it won't be any time soon. I was thinking more along the lines of an lbz. ;D
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on May 18, 2015, 01:24:16 PM
LBZ is nice, but will run you 3-4x more than a 6bt. If your truck already has the allison (which it should) your are half way there!
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 03:13:41 PM
So the next thing I want to do is get 20" wheels so I can run a m/t or a/t without spacers. My only concern is I'm getting 10.5 mpg and am afraid of how much it will drop going from a 31.7" tire to a 33" tire. Started thinking about getting a custom tune but after watching my dad fry his van with a bullydog kind of scares you away. Any ideas for better mpg besides keeping my foot out of the throttle?
6BT!
Well I would like to change it over to diesel but it won't be any time soon. I was thinking more along the lines of an lbz. ;D
I hear ya

But when it comes time you would be much cheaper by a factor probably and have more tuneability with a simple 12 valve P-Pump 6BT...Which are lifetime engines

In any case, we're here to support ya with whatever expertise we can bring to the table!
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 18, 2015, 03:19:05 PM
So the next thing I want to do is get 20" wheels so I can run a m/t or a/t without spacers. My only concern is I'm getting 10.5 mpg and am afraid of how much it will drop going from a 31.7" tire to a 33" tire. Started thinking about getting a custom tune but after watching my dad fry his van with a bullydog kind of scares you away. Any ideas for better mpg besides keeping my foot out of the throttle?
6BT!
Well I would like to change it over to diesel but it won't be any time soon. I was thinking more along the lines of an lbz. ;D
I hear ya

But when it comes time you would be much cheaper by a factor probably and have more tuneability with a simple 12 valve P-Pump 6BT...Which are lifetime engines

In any case, we're here to support ya with whatever expertise we can bring to the table!
You have peaked my interest though... what would go into doing that swap? Cost? Parts?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 03:26:59 PM
Well it would be vastly more simple than figuring out a LBZ swap. LBZ's are electronic motors, all that sensor and interface and wiring harness and confuser business. That alone would complicate the process to the point where expertise would be required and the attendant cost.
However a 6BT Cummins is a simple mechanical motor with almost nothing electric. Your hookups would be a throttle cable, fuel line oil and water sensors and a few do dads like that. Then you pair a transmission to that or upgrade to 4WD and add a transfer and a front Dana 60 from a Dodge and you would be on the road in a couple weeks.
The Cummins is big time tunable and your mileage would close to double, better than the LBZ. You would have essentially created a lifetime truck.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 18, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
I have an LBZ, am very pro-Chevy.... and even i would say go straight 6 CTD. First, a LBZ long block is going to set ya way back, then you have all the electronics on top of that...

I think the retrofit market is more conducive to the Cummins too in terms of parts and knowledge-base.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 18, 2015, 05:31:44 PM
Everything would run the same such as speedo and odometer? Would love to have a 20 mpg dually :D. Although it would have to wait until I move out and get a job, even though I can probably do it now.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 18, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
Would my current transmission fit with it or need to be replaced? I wouldn't mind having it built.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:30:14 PM
Would my current transmission fit with it or need to be replaced? I wouldn't mind having it built.
Current trans is unsuitable
Even though it might stand up to double or triple the torque, it's gearing is all wrong for a diesel. Gassers need more RPM. A tuned Cummins is making hundreds of ft lbs at 1300 rpm.
I'd go with the gull Chrysler stackup. Probably a P-Pump 6BT along with a built 47RH or 47RE transmission. That will set you way back, likely it will cost 5K to build
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 18, 2015, 11:05:23 PM
Is there anyone out there that builds these transmissions and engines and sells online? Or anybody know of a reliable builder for transmissions in Texas? Really wanting to do this now... Seems more reasonable than buying a new truck and I wanted to keep this truck anyways though I'm sure my dad will try to talk me out of it. But I know you guys want to see something like this ;D
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on May 18, 2015, 11:22:56 PM
While I think the ally would work. It would still be pricey as it would need a build and sensors hooked up to its TCM to work correct. Don is right and you can  by running combos for under 5K. Plus I think the 6 gears would be more cunductive to a low reving engine like the 6bt, vs the dmax motor that can rev to 4500.

I just got a quote online for a 47rh for 4k. Many places sell em, but having a local is really the way to go I think.

I have an LBZ too, but am doing my sub with a ppump. My tranny is undecided but I may go with the 46r I have, but many like the 47r for the lockup TC. I am sorta waiting for Don to do some driving before I decide for sure. Plus the 46 and 47rh can be made to use no electrics and work via pressure switches.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 18, 2015, 11:35:18 PM
I did some searching and ATS has a stage 5 47RH for a little under 7k with a 5 year/500,000 mile warranty. Not sure if that's overpriced or if I even need a stage 5 but I want the truck to have the power to haul whatever I hook it up to and not destroy something. This is all uncharted territory for me. Problem with buying local is I'm in a small town and there are not any transmission shops around that I know of.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on May 18, 2015, 11:56:19 PM
I think if your sled pulling you could spend that much. Look at Allstar Automotive out of Co, they are on ebay as bpparts and just do trannys. That is where I got my $4000 quote, but that was lots of upgrades. I was impressed when I talked to them, but not ready yet.

Small town or not it might be worth the drive to have one built as you want and if it needs tweaking you might need help.

Since you have made no decision yet, do some surfing and see what guys are running.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 19, 2015, 12:23:39 AM
I highly doubt I'll be sled pulling, mainly heavy trailers and what not. I'll check them out. There's a kid at school who is building a drag truck and I'll ask him about a good place to get a trans built around here.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 19, 2015, 05:24:57 AM
If you're going old school 6bt you might as well do a ZF6 manual trans.  That would be cool hooked to the 6BT
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 07:30:13 AM
Couple things

Red Neck (Which he is not) is correct. With normal truck considerations the 6 speed manual is best with a Cummins. Cheaper as well. All your money goes into a very stout clutch which will be needed.

Now from the wisdom department. You are young. When I was young, I needed it right now, but in reality I did not need it at all, I wanted it. Nothing wrong with wanting it, right up to the point where you start getting yourself buried in debt to get that something. God doesn't like us being in debt...just saying.

My humble suggestion: Save your dollars for now and set a goal, say 7K to do this swap. Set a date, say spring of 2017 to start. Make up and settle on your plan and go down that path. Now that you know you ARE going to keep the truck, and you have a nice one, and you know you are going to install a Cummins, then start searching out articles and builders and brackets and fittings and everything. By the time comes, you will be a fully financed, well informed man who knows how you are going to do it, who is going to help you, where it will take place and you will have a consortium of pieces parts already to get you along. Any you will be knowledgeable enough to be the project manager for this big undertaking.

What I am suggesting is to show patience and take charge of this, your finances, your future and own it!
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 19, 2015, 01:06:22 PM
I definitely know the difference between want and need and this is a want for sure. I planned to wait and hope I get a job at the company my dad is with so I would have a company vehicle to drive while this one is down. Also need to do more research because I won't know the first place to start on an engine swap. Not sure I would want a standard trans.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 19, 2015, 11:05:46 PM
Couple things

Red Neck (Which he is not) is correct. With normal truck considerations the 6 speed manual is best with a Cummins. Cheaper as well. All your money goes into a very stout clutch which will be needed.

Now from the wisdom department. You are young. When I was young, I needed it right now, but in reality I did not need it at all, I wanted it. Nothing wrong with wanting it, right up to the point where you start getting yourself buried in debt to get that something. God doesn't like us being in debt...just saying.

My humble suggestion: Save your dollars for now and set a goal, say 7K to do this swap. Set a date, say spring of 2017 to start. Make up and settle on your plan and go down that path. Now that you know you ARE going to keep the truck, and you have a nice one, and you know you are going to install a Cummins, then start searching out articles and builders and brackets and fittings and everything. By the time comes, you will be a fully financed, well informed man who knows how you are going to do it, who is going to help you, where it will take place and you will have a consortium of pieces parts already to get you along. Any you will be knowledgeable enough to be the project manager for this big undertaking.

What I am suggesting is to show patience and take charge of this, your finances, your future and own it!

Some of the best advice I've seen, right there.  (except for his questioning of my redneck credentials....)

Here is a passage for thought.  I know its not really talking about money, but it has multiple layers of appliccations.

Parable of the Talents

14 “For it is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves and entrusted his possessions to them. 15 To one he gave five [a]talents, to another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and he went on his journey. 16 Immediately the one who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and gained five more talents. 17 In the same manner the one who had received the two talents gained two more. 18 But he who received the one talent went away, and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “Now after a long time the master of those slaves *came and *settled accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came up and brought five more talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me. See, I have gained five more talents.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your [c]master.’

22 “Also the one who had received the two talents came up and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more talents.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’

24 “And the one also who had received the one talent came up and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you scattered no seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’

26 “But his master answered and said to him, ‘You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. 27 Then you ought to have put my money [d]in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 28 Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.’

29 “For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30 Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 19, 2015, 11:40:48 PM
Interesting read Redneck. For now I'm just going to do some research on which is best for my needs. Anyone heard of suncoast converters out of Florida?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 20, 2015, 01:14:45 AM
So in my research I've discovered that I will be breaking federal regulations and going against the EPA by doing this swap. I would have to get the EPA to certify my truck which is a costly and long process, one guy asked for a list of what the vehicle has to go through to be certified and received a 400 page book of testing that has to be done. It can pass state inspection but still be breaking federal and EPA regulations anyway I go about it. I for one don't want to become involved with the EPA so I'm beginning to think it'll be in my best interest to just by a diesel truck and save myself all the hassle. Was a cool idea though.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 20, 2015, 07:23:11 AM
I believe you are fine since it's more than 20 years old.  Lots and lots of people doing 6bt swaps in Texas.  You would have to have the title changed over to diesel from gas so then you only go through visual inspection.  Check out 6btswaps.com
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 20, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
From what I was reading is the truck would have to be 25 years or older. I know I could get inspection but the truck still wouldn't be 100% legal.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 10:00:04 AM
Interesting read Redneck. For now I'm just going to do some research on which is best for my needs. Anyone heard of suncoast converters out of Florida?
Suncoast are good converters
Goerend is another great name for converters
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 20, 2015, 11:45:58 PM
For now I'm going to see what the future holds before deciding on swap. In meantime I need to make a trip to Lufkin to discount tire to rotate the tires one last time and discuss tire prices. Still open to a/t or m/t suggestions. Kinda leaning towards nitto terra grapplers. Also discovered this morning I have a small coolant leak. Hopefully when I get out of school next week I can drop it off at the shop and have them leak check it while I run calls with my dad/fix up the property.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on May 21, 2015, 12:11:50 AM
Most conversions follow the Ca CARB rules and if it passes here, you are good forever. This is where I am.

The motor must be from the same year or newer and retain all the emissions as factory new. It also must be in the same weight and vehicle class.

So my 91 was getting a 91 5.9, now its getting a 94 5.9, both good. Plus my motor is from a w250 as my suburban is a 2500. I could not have put the these motors in my 1500 since this motor came from a 2500, even though there were 1500 diesel suburbans.

Also, diesel made before 1996 are not smogged (neither was my 06 LBZ at first) but I still have to go to a state CARB referee to be sure my motor and chassis match for the conversion and it has whatever emmsions were required that year.

Same rules apply to gas or diesel. However as stated diesels before 1996 (obd2) do not get smogged at all.

There was an exception for "older" cares that was supposed to cut off for 1977 vesicles that would no longer need smogging. However they change it to 1975 later. I had a 77 and got screwed.

So all gas vehicles after 1975 get tested every other year based year of vehicle, pre 2002 get dyno tested and the ECM is not read. 2002 and later only need to be hooked up to read the ECM and pass or fail on that based on what it says.

Diesel up to 1996 do not get tested unless transferred. After 1996 they get a visual and a throttle tap test (looking for to much smoke) and the ecm is read. If you have a tune in there or have a wire in the wrong spot it is a fail. If they see a tuner, you fail. Mine had a wire for the EGT and boost and failed with a STOCK TUNE!   
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on May 21, 2015, 12:21:45 AM
Looks like you are free from testing as is most of Texas;

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/vi/inspection/inspectionCriteria.aspx

And no testing for diesel powered vehicles.

Looks like no classics exemption until 25 years old.

Reading a little more it looks like the Ca rules apply for engine swaps, but "farm trucks-vehicles" are exempt.

So drop in a Duramax or get 5.9 24v, but it will be using an ECM like the Dmax.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 21, 2015, 12:35:05 AM
So I could just register it as a farm truck and be trouble free?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on May 21, 2015, 12:36:20 AM
How much different is the 24v compared to 12v? Would I be getting similar mpg gains?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on June 21, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
Little update, I haven't done much but I plan to buy new rims and tires some time this month. In the meantime I've been thinking of stuff I could do and water/meth injection came to mind. I want it mostly for the mpg gains. Thoughts on it?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on June 21, 2015, 07:29:46 PM
Little update, I haven't done much but I plan to buy new rims and tires some time this month. In the meantime I've been thinking of stuff I could do and water/meth injection came to mind. I want it mostly for the mpg gains. Thoughts on it?
On a gasser makes little to no power, except that it allows you to turn up the boost if supercharged and advance the timing (delays onset of preignition).

But on a diesel will add 100-150 ft lbs of torque and as much as 75HP to a healthy late diesel and improve mileage a point or maybe two.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on August 05, 2015, 03:24:17 PM
I've been trying to get the full life out of my tires before replacing but last Thursday I was down a 2 mile dirt road in a hay field when it suddenly came down hard rain. After barely making it out of the mud pit of a road I decided I needed some all-terrains ASAP. So I went with the Toyo Open Country AT 2 in size 235/85/16. I put about 50 miles on them and they ride well and are not any louder than my highway tires I had before. They look nice and more aggressive than the pictures I saw.
(http://i.imgur.com/9oLyxrm.jpg)
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on August 05, 2015, 04:14:05 PM
I just took those same tires off my truck after 40k and sold em for $500 with wheels. I really liked em but wanted something bigger.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on August 05, 2015, 05:15:42 PM
I just took those same tires off my truck after 40k and sold em for $500 with wheels. I really liked em but wanted something bigger.

Did your tires sway when new? I could feel the weight of the truck move from side to side when turning and assumed it was the tires breaking in.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: husker77c on August 11, 2015, 06:33:26 PM
Thats a good start. Is that senior for you, college or HS?

Oh, I just count 83 peppermints and $2.59 (which could buy more)

6 ltr or 8.1?
The senior is for me, I'll be graduating high school June 6th so I'm pretty excited about that. It only has the 6.0, would have got a diesel but my dad is very anti diesel for some reason so I settled for a gasser.

My dad was the same way.  Hated loud clackety stinky diesels. 
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: cruizng on August 12, 2015, 02:06:50 PM
Pully,

I just put on a set of Toyo Open Country M/T 33X12.50R18 but I had mine siped before they were installed.

They sway much more than my BFG AT's did. I wasn't sure if it was because of the siping or just the brand of tires.

We will see how they do on the ice. 
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: husker77c on August 13, 2015, 08:59:44 AM
I had a set of Toyo MTs when I first bought my Dodge.  They were awesome in the snow.  I'm of the belief that all tires suck on ice unless you stud them.   
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on August 13, 2015, 03:12:33 PM
After 2 days of heavy rain I had to travel the 2 mile muddy road today to retrieve our tractor and I have to say I am extremely impressed by the performance of the open country a/t tires. Never got stuck once even towing the 9,000 lbs load out. I've only got about 500 miles on the tires so I can't be a judge on tread wear. Overall happy with the performance and look of the tires so far.

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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on October 21, 2015, 10:47:50 PM
Little update: I've developed a leak in my radiator so in the next few days my dad and I will be replacing it so I can go more than 2 days before the low coolant light comes on. I've also been having an itching to boost the power so I'm looking at the options.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2015, 09:18:45 AM
Little update: I've developed a leak in my radiator so in the next few days my dad and I will be replacing it so I can go more than 2 days before the low coolant light comes on. I've also been having an itching to boost the power so I'm looking at the options.
I wouldn't mess with anything less than a supercharger. If you throw in a set of headers, you really won't notice the 10 extra HP pulling your 8,000 pounds. You need to go in for big 50-75% power increases.
Spend nothing, or supercharge or 6BT, nothing else makes sense
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on October 22, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
There are turbos too. But Don is right. If you need to feel the power, Turbo or Supercharge.

 I think the STS is an option and mounts downstream vs on the engine. Just found out they are being restructured under the original owner. A friend of mine has one on his gas 2500hd and likes it.

A custom tune might be the best bang for your $$ up front though.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 22, 2015, 08:21:47 PM
the 6.0 is garbage.  I hate to say it.  Its neutered for the EPA.  I owned one and the power curve is way to high.  4400 rpm is where max torque is made.

Camshaft, tuning and headers would be the most I would put on that engine before just scrapping it and going diesel.  Probably better to sell it and buy a clean dually that came with the diesel.

The issue is the rpm range where the power is made. 

Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on October 22, 2015, 10:54:37 PM
I agree the 6.0 isn't the greatest but a new truck isn't an option at the moment. Being just out of school my dad still pays my insurance on the truck so I have to get the ok from him and a supercharger would probably be my best chance.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 23, 2015, 12:08:05 AM
Understand.  It might be a worthwhile calculation to put it on paper.  What would you be able to get for the 2001 that you have and what would a used 2001-2003 dually with the duramax cost you.  If the realistic difference is 3-4k then it might be a better way to go to.  If you are going to spend 3-4K in mods anyway, it would be a much better deal to get the diesel for that amount.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on February 06, 2017, 10:11:51 PM
Well its been a long time since I've posted but the truck is as good as sold. I've got a guy that has cash ready and already told me not to sell it to someone else. Just need to get my next truck lined up and I can sell. Currently looking for a 2012+ 2500 lml ccsb 4x4 around 70-110k miles, preferably a 15. Really hate to sell the truck, its been great for me and has only left me on the side of the road once but I can't really justify having 2 trucks at 20.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 07, 2017, 07:17:18 PM
Well, you will really like a LML, especially a deleted one!
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on February 07, 2017, 08:05:35 PM
I hope so because I'll have it for a while. It'll stay stock for a while especially if it still has a warranty left. Anything I should look for that could be problems?
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on March 23, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
So I changed my mind and I'm heading to Dallas to look at a 2006 2500 ccsb 4x4 lbz with 79k miles tomorrow. Not sure of any problems I should look out for on a diesel. This will be my first time buying a diesel and if everything is good I'll be bringing it home tomorrow. http://www.autoxtremeonline.com/2006_Chevrolet_Silverado%202500HD_Mesquite_TX_267665620.veh# (http://www.autoxtremeonline.com/2006_Chevrolet_Silverado%202500HD_Mesquite_TX_267665620.veh#)
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 23, 2017, 11:55:18 PM
Those are great trucks. However just be aware that diesels can put you in the poor house quicker than usain bolt can run the 100. My first diesel was an LB7 with 125k on it. Within a year I had $12k in repairs.


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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on March 24, 2017, 01:33:40 AM
The LBZ is a great truck, just like mine.

Pump rub. See if that has been fixed or taken care of before it leaked. The Tcase pump will rub on the rear housing, passenger side right in the gussets. I glued mine and it has held fine but I really need a new rear housing. If it has oil underneath, thats it.

You can tune and retune the LBZ and it leaves no traces. With those miles I bet it was a vacation truck.

The hubs and the upper joints wear fast. You have to jack it up by the lower A arm to check. Nether is a big deal and you can check front end slop too.

Pics look good but a few are from a dodge.

Price if you don't mind?

Good luck!!

Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on March 24, 2017, 05:58:13 AM
Judging by the chrome and tool box below the rails I get the feeling that it was a vacation truck. They originally wanted 27,500 which I thought was fair but the lady filling out my loan application said she couldn't get it to book for more than 24,925 so I let them talk to her and she actually talked them down to 26,000 so I'm very appreciative of her. Everything listed seems to be what I planned to check, I don't get the feeling there is anything wrong but I got my loan set up so that I can still back out if it has problems or I can drive it home if it looks good. I also know that diesel repairs can be very costly so going with the lbz allows me to keep the dually that I can use for back up if it craps out on me. Thanks.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 24, 2017, 06:52:35 AM
Two truck solution. I like it.  I'd sell you my LB7 for much less than that even with it being basically completely rebuilt.


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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on March 24, 2017, 07:23:11 AM
Sounds like a fair price and you have the bases covered.

I have 138k on mine with 100hp tune and it runs solid.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on March 24, 2017, 08:32:04 AM
It will serve you well.  I just passed 181k and love it.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on March 24, 2017, 05:55:40 PM
So I ended up buying it with no regrets. I got up there and it was in pretty good condition, not much to complain about. A one owner truck from Oklahoma everything on the carfax was registration or wash/detail. There was a small dent by the rear bumper, small scratch on the tailgate they covered with their dealer sticker, and a small spot on the roof where the paint is missing which I'll get fixed before it spreads. No oil anywhere on the transfer case, trans or engine. No leaking trans lines and they also painted at least the outside of the frame and front end with undercoating. They said what was on there was already flaking off but very little rust. Drove it around and it shifted through the gears smoothly and doesn't smoke plus it's very quiet. Interior looks just as good as it did in my mom's 2006 half ton when she bought it brand new. Drove by her work and let her look and she was jealous because that was her favorite interior. My only complaint is I'll probably never be able to keep rear tires on it because they always spin when I hit the go pedal. :grin: Ultimately I'm very happy with it, had no problems driving 200 miles home and hopefully I'll get many more.
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Already put my cts out the dually in there
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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2017, 06:54:12 PM
So, what's your favorite color? ;-)

Nice truck, I'd own it
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on March 24, 2017, 07:06:04 PM
Very Nice.

Time for a bedliner and fluid change.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 24, 2017, 07:25:37 PM
Nice job young man!  Congrats. Although I'd paint it red.  Jus sayin


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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Bob Smith on March 24, 2017, 08:24:09 PM
Red Red, nobody drives a red truck....OH wait...red, or off red would look good.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 24, 2017, 08:38:32 PM
:wink


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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Pulley on March 24, 2017, 08:47:57 PM
Nice job young man!  Congrats. Although I'd paint it red.  Jus sayin


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You know I found a red one in Houston with color matched ranch hands at 109k miles but I just couldn't bring myself to buy it haha.
I know for sure I don't have to change the oil because they had that done yesterday but the fuel filter life is at 40% so I'll pick one up Monday and attempt that. I guess I need to start a build thread for this one, I'll probably update it much more than the dually as there wasn't anything reasonable left to do to the dually.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: rpar86 on March 24, 2017, 08:59:24 PM
Just shy of 80,000 miles -- she's just a baby! Mine had almost 84K when I got it 7/5/13. Pushin 109k now.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 24, 2017, 10:16:05 PM
Time for a built Allison from MikeL and some starlitediesel tunes and than a set of tires every six months after that. Looks really nice.   


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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on March 24, 2017, 10:31:01 PM
For doing the fuel filter, there is a kit for a cut out inside the fender well. I highly recommend it but easy enough to make you own.

You cannot have to much filtration. I run a 5 micron at the tank with 5psi pump and a 2 micron cat up top.
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 25, 2017, 11:09:30 AM
He's closer to Brad at Calvin's in sulphur for the trans and tunes.  $6000 turn key and you're good to go!  DSP5 Kory tunes and a 850hp transmission
Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 25, 2017, 03:09:39 PM
$6k for a trans?


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Title: Re: Pulley's Dually Build Thread
Post by: JR on March 25, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
$6k for a trans?


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Who would spend that,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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