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Re: Oregon, things may start to get sporty
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2016, 01:52:49 PM »
This isn't good at all.

Will stir the hornet nest all over the place. I'd expect reprisals and a mess to follow.

Why can't cooler heads prevail?
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« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2016, 02:10:25 PM »
JR, I saw snow jumping from the passenger side as they shot, so I would say "riddled" might not be an exaggeration....might not.

I will look a little closer as I heard that too, but didn't really see it when I watch the vid.
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2016, 02:15:57 PM »
You know what is funny. If these were treehuggers doing the same thing it would all over the news.

These guys were just trying to get a point out, were armed but made no threats except self defense.

I still see this as a trespass issue but these guys were against the all mighty federal gov and that could not be tolerated,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2016, 02:26:06 PM »
At the end of the day a good freedom loving God fearing Christian rancher & foster Dad was murdered. The take down of these citizens was done in poor fashion, period. The fbi & the osp had many tools at their disposal yet this was the best they could come up with? I don't buy it, shame on them. For all involved may God have mercy on your soul.
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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2016, 05:14:14 PM »
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4727157766001/fbi-releases-video-of-fatal-shooting-of-oregon-occupier/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips

Not sure who's narrating this video, i think it's somebody from the FBI, but whoever it is said there was a loaded 9mm in his left jacket pocket
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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2016, 05:24:28 PM »
They all had weapons, we need to know whether they pulled them. & regardless I am blaming the fbi & osp for this guys murder as this was a piss poor way to take these guys down. Furthermore lets do it in the middle of no where & have the convenience of some crappy pine trees in the way of the video. Where's the video from the shooters on the ground showing him reaching for this supposed 9mm?

Edit: another thought, pretty sure pics of the deceased showed him carrying on right hip.....
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« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2016, 05:37:47 PM »
I was only passing information on what the FBI has said... that's all.
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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2016, 05:38:36 PM »
News reports in the PNW are stating that they "found" an automatic pistol in his jacket where he was reaching. not semi-automatic, "automatic". kinda like the "whoops did we say that wrong? oh well it makes for better sensationalism and justifies his shooting right? ok, run it".
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« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2016, 06:34:13 PM »
I was only passing information on what the FBI has said... that's all.


I understand, wasn't giving you a hard time. The more I read the more I think this stinks.....
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« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2016, 07:00:21 PM »
FYI, it is common at a high risk stop to have the subject lower his hands to pickup his clothes to see if a weapon is in the waistband.

Most media is clueless to how a firearm functions or how it is determined.

I highly doubt anyone had a class III firearm, cept LEOs.
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« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2016, 08:23:00 PM »
Another fine example of law enforcement at its finest. This time it will or should get ugly 

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« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2016, 04:02:28 AM »
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« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2016, 04:14:39 AM »
Call to action by PPN. Lavoy Finicum has become a martyr in many circles. This whole debacle has been very unfortunate. I must confess though I saw this coming to some extent and had written letters to my local senator (Cory Gardner R, CO.) asking for them to allow cool heads to prevail and diffuse the situation by way of the release of the Hammonds. That did not happen and here we go into the abyss.

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« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2016, 09:07:17 AM »
Large protests are being organized in OR at Burns and the governor's office. Wonder if it will stay friendly?

With 4 men still holed up at the compound who will probably get shot seventy four times, we might be witnessing the start of something here...
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« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2016, 09:42:52 AM »
LaVoy family statement & funeral arrangements.

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« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2016, 06:09:29 PM »
Shawna Cox interview worth a listen, backs up the 18 yr old female named Victoria's account.


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« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2016, 10:45:27 AM »

Most media is clueless to how a firearm functions or how it is determined.

I highly doubt anyone had a class III firearm, cept LEOs.

I know that most media is clueless, it just seems that out here in the greater Seattle area, they just simply go with inaccuracies as the norm and move on without any attempt at correcting them. Next broadcast will have the correct terms, but not after getting another 100k to watch the follow up on the "automatic weapon" report. 
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« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2016, 11:32:07 AM »
Tate, it's not just the media but the general population. As long as they have food in their belly, sports on the boob tube & a smart phone with Facebook nothing will change. My theory is you take away any of those three items & the gen pop would riot today....
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« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2016, 01:05:12 PM »
I cancelled cable and don't use any social media. THIS is as plugged in as I get. I completely agree with you. there was a mentally wasted native American homeless guy that was not on drugs, but drugs had messed his brain up so bad he was perma-fried. on a street corner in downtown Seattle brandishing and menacing bystanders with a large folding pocket knife. apparently this is how he panhandled; carving and selling chunks of hacked up wood. he was having a bad day and flipped out, came at the officers who had told him to drop the knife SEVERAL times, warning they would shoot, and eventually shot him. Rather than "homeless mentally ill man menacing bystanders with a knife shot by police" the headlines for weeks were "John the Woodcarver killed by Seattle police". which sounds better? It doesn't seem to matter the news outlet anymore, they are all political machines one way or the other. They only showed the footage a couple times because the video didn't fit the story they were trying to spin. Media is control. keep the populous docile and complacent and it's hard to get them motivated to action and revolt.
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« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2016, 03:41:25 PM »
So i was thinking about something recently...

A handful of cowboys take over a federal building... sure. That's illegal.

How many illegals are living in national forests, destroying wilderness by cutting down trees and damming creeks, to grow pot?

Where ya at FBI? BLM?
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« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2016, 04:31:29 PM »
No kidding.........
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« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2016, 05:23:10 PM »
So i was thinking about something recently...

A handful of cowboys take over a federal building... sure. That's illegal.

How many illegals are living in national forests, destroying wilderness by cutting down trees and damming creeks, to grow pot?

Where ya at FBI? BLM?

QUIETLY growing and smoking their pot, hiding out. Our friends in OR are under the spotlight for making known the mistakes of the government. instant target for speaking up. 
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« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2016, 07:31:13 PM »
Feds are messing with nitro glycerin here. Could blow up in their face (Probably should) if they don't tread lightly!
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« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2016, 08:43:18 PM »
Nitro is in the mail & the hole gets way deeper!


Very interesting.....


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« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2016, 08:27:36 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2016, 11:04:01 AM »
Ya know....if one thinks a little, this is not what it appears.

This is far bigger than a land grab and some pissed off ranchers and supporters.
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« Reply #79 on: February 17, 2016, 11:34:10 AM »
Ya know....if one thinks a little, this is not what it appears.

This is far bigger than a land grab and some pissed off ranchers and supporters.
Correct...

There just happens to be Uranium in the Malheur refuge, and the Russians now own 60% of our Uranium...
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« Reply #80 on: February 17, 2016, 11:48:31 AM »
I suspect it's possibly bigger than that as well. Although a disturbing thought in all honesty, the Uranium issue is not what I was getting at. It looks like planned attempt at creating civil unrest of the citizens.
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« Reply #81 on: February 17, 2016, 12:05:23 PM »
I suspect it's possibly bigger than that as well. Although a disturbing thought in all honesty, the Uranium issue is not what I was getting at. It looks like planned attempt at creating civil unrest of the citizens.
Norm,

I'll bet everyone here is thinking that as well. Get it going so the powers to be can get on with what's next in their play book...

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I was just thinking how far we have come since the 1940's to now. My dad flew bombers over Germany. 16 million American warriors along with our allies freed the world of aggression, but, obviously not from evil.

We as a nation enjoyed prosperity, freedom, and had more carefree lives in the years following. Then ever so slowly, yet continually, the social winds have been blowing ever harder out of the left.

Now days our moral compass is so screwed up it's about as accurate as a recent high schooler's ability to perform long division, or name the countries bordering the US!
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« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2016, 12:07:45 PM »
Another thought: Civil unrest which led to civil disobedience could give the prez the reason for envoking marshal law. Isn't that just another way to continue to stay in office beyond Jan of 17?
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« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2016, 01:08:21 PM »
I think they were doing as they said, just raising awareness to a much larger issue. I think the feds then made an example of them.

And as I said, I put nothing past this bozo up there,,,,,,,,,,,,, 
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« Reply #86 on: March 09, 2016, 09:33:30 PM »
Saw it this morning in the news.  New there was more to it.


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« Reply #87 on: March 09, 2016, 09:58:59 PM »
I have a problem with that in several ways. Lavoy seemed liked he was trying to get shot. Reaching into your coat in a situation like that is nothing more than suicide.

Having said that, He was shot so many times...in the back...A could in the arms or legs would have gotten the job done, and he might have survived...

Mostly, it pisses me off seeing those officers continuing to shoot into the truck when there was no return fire from it. Adrenaline was making the officers over react possibly. but they continued to shoot for awhile...WHY?
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« Reply #88 on: March 09, 2016, 10:28:17 PM »
I watched the latest video and all I can say is wow. Like everyone gathered from the first one, Lavoy couldn't see the roadblock until it was too late and guns were blazing as he cursed (I thought I heard cursing but was wrong)and reacted the best he could.
Afterwards, the passengers were not showing any signs of threat. There were just random shots for nothing after the initial shots and flash bangs....a couple single shots spaced out when everyone was still down. Way more overall shots than I originally thought.
It didn't give me any warm and fuzzy feelings.
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« Reply #89 on: March 09, 2016, 10:47:02 PM »
I agree with you Don except for shot placement. Body mass is the main target to stop the threat. When the threat is gone, no reason to continue shooting.

Reaching into his pocket was stupid stating the threat process regardless of out come.

With all the resources there, where was EMT or even a heli?
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« Reply #90 on: March 09, 2016, 10:59:02 PM »
The weird part is that he was shot 3 times, and according to the autopsy, all were in the back and one of those 3 was at a steep upward angle....as if he was shot on the ground. If he was reaching for his weapon, the officers in front would have pulled the trigger. The autopsy also says that 2 bullets exited his left chest (nipple area), which also happens to be where he was grabbing. Hmm
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« Reply #91 on: March 09, 2016, 11:04:00 PM »
I asked this before but are we sure Finicum wasn't already shot once when he reached for his pocket or possibly a wound?

Also, think this was a coincidence that the area for the take down had no cell reception?
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« Reply #92 on: March 09, 2016, 11:08:16 PM »
That or they simply blocked cell usage.
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« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2016, 11:13:04 PM »
They shot twice as he exited the vehicle, which could account for a shot in the back. I'm trying hard to keep an open mind, but having sound to go with the video makes a world of difference.

And of course they knew about the cell service, I mean, I'm sure they had cell phones that didn't work either.
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« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2016, 06:52:39 PM »
So what are we suggesting with this?

Assignation?
Too much adrenaline?
Entire event thought out and set up, as in a mil style hit? (See first statement)
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« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2016, 08:18:09 PM »
I'm suggesting that a decent Christian rancher died for no reason other than he disagreed with the powers that be. I think the whole take down was poorly designed and executed.....

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« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2016, 09:43:58 PM »
The whole thing smells fishy. I would say that it was just a bunch of trigger happy leos (read adrenaline, tired of this thing dragging out, or whatever reason) but it looked like they planned it to happen the way it happened, but who am I...... nobody.
Kinda funny (to myself) looking back.....my first thoughts were "oh well, that's what you get for arming yourself, taking over a building, acting like terrorists, and standing up against the government" but now I find myself thinking totally opposite, and showing sympathy for these folks...

I just hope the full truth comes out, if there is more to it.
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« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2016, 11:11:10 PM »
I'm suggesting that a decent Christian rancher died for no reason other than he disagreed with the powers that be. I think the whole take down was poorly designed and executed.....

Oh wait now, leo is ...never mind I totally agree with you.

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« Reply #98 on: March 11, 2016, 07:14:46 AM »
I agree that the videos of the shooting seem off.  Why did they shoot into the truck after lavoy was shot?  Why was lavoy shot in the back etc.  The second road block further up the road after the initial traffic stop looks to be baiting them into running.  The strategic location they chose for the road block that had no cell service, and on a blind corner. The L shaped ambush that they had them in when they drove into the snow bank. But it's hard to prove misconduct by the LEOs when the events leading up to it look so bad.

The reason I feel this will never get much more traction than discussions on forums (and there are a lot of discussions on forums I frequent) is because they had no business in Oregon in the first place.   The ranchers in Oregon had stated repeatedly they were not wanted there.  The occupation of the refuge was blundered from the get go. Them putting a video out asking for snacks.  Their repeated calls for help from other patriot groups, that went un answered.  Lavoy stating on national news that he would die before going to jail etc.

Granted none of us were there to get first hand reports of what was happening and the media spun this how the powers wanted it spun.  But that being said the official narrative plays out that these guys were anti government domestic terrorists who were hell bent on going out in a blaze of glory to prove a point. 

It's hard to get people to investigate something like that.  You've got some people  yelling about it, and rightfully so. Scandals or police wrong doing need the media to inform the populace and they've spun it so out of this world that 90% of America thinks these guys were crazy gun nuts.


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« Reply #99 on: March 12, 2016, 07:14:25 PM »
I'm suggesting that a decent Christian rancher died for no reason other than he disagreed with the powers that be. I think the whole take down was poorly designed and executed.....

Oh wait now, leo is ...never mind I totally agree with you.

Yes and you can pump up any situation (false intel) and that lets the LEO off the hook for the most part.

Frame of mind with the situation and info at hand.
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