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Sheep Dogs
« on: June 13, 2016, 11:56:41 AM »
On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:
"Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.
But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."
Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.
Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.
Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.
There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke
Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.
If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.
For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.
Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"
It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.
Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.
Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."
Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.
And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
"Baa."
This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2016, 12:18:37 PM »
Great essay Don. Thanks for posting it. While not a cop or soldier I certainly see a lot in this article speaking to me about when I choose to carry or not and the potential implications of those decisions. :-[ Thank you. 

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 12:21:45 PM »
Wil,

I posted this up as a sticky because 1. We seem to reference this often, and 2. It serves well to explain the mentality a lot of us share

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Point of order: One does not have to have served, be a soldier or a LEO to be a Sheep Dog. It's DNA stuff that our maker built into all of us. That is, we are all one of the three.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 02:18:07 PM »
Very good.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 03:40:38 PM »
Thanks Don-

Explains the mentality of my inner, "go back inside and get it" when I catch myself forgetting a sidearm.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2016, 06:17:29 PM »
Point of order: One does not have to have served, be a soldier or a LEO to be a Sheep Dog. It's DNA stuff that our maker built into all of us. That is, we are all one of the three.

Don I appreciate that.....I guess my point was that many times I choose not to carry....and that is solely on me as the article points out so well. The comments about the guy in the church being shot up struck a chord. I can imagine no greater hell than living through something like that and having the regret of not being prepared afterwards. I really appreciate you posting this.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2016, 07:06:52 PM »
Thanks for posting this, Don. I've had occasion to meet LTC Grossman, back in 1996 when he was the tactics committee team chief for ROTC Advanced Camp. He made such an impression on me, I went and bought "On Killing" at my first opportunity. If you have not read it, you should. Great book on the psychology of killing, and how Army training was adjusted over the years based on the studies he talks about. I am definitely a Sheepdog, but am prohibited by our government from carrying every day. Maybe that will change after November.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2016, 09:23:47 PM »
I've heard bits of this but never the full essay. Thanks for posting
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 03:25:44 PM »
Wil,

I posted this up as a sticky because 1. We seem to reference this often, and 2. It serves well to explain the mentality a lot of us share

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Point of order: One does not have to have served, be a soldier or a LEO to be a Sheep Dog. It's DNA stuff that our maker built into all of us. That is, we are all one of the three.

I was unable to serve because of knee issues that kept me from running for many years. I tried to become a cop at one point, but God led me away from that. I worked in the firearms industry, trained a hell of a lot in weapons and tactics, but all of this as a "civilian". I've found that unless you've "served", you get no respect in many areas. Overtime, i felt many of those in the firearms industry were self absorbed jerks who "served". those who didnt were talked down to and often told to shut up in certain terms... "what does he know, he never wore a helmet"? (in regards to a very well known firearms instructor). I chose to exit that world and frankly stay away from it in many fashions because it's certainly setup as a hierarchy with people like me being bottom of totum pole. I refuse to train with people who seek to give me different training (or deny me) because i am a civvy nor one who seeks for me to prove via background check or display of certain govt documents that i am "approved" to own inanimate objects.

Perhaps i need a thread for this rant of mine, but it's bothered me for years.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2017, 03:46:58 PM »

I was unable to serve because of knee issues that kept me from running for many years. I tried to become a cop at one point, but God led me away from that. I worked in the firearms industry, trained a hell of a lot in weapons and tactics, but all of this as a "civilian". I've found that unless you've "served", you get no respect in many areas. Overtime, i felt many of those in the firearms industry were self absorbed jerks who "served". those who didnt were talked down to and often told to shut up in certain terms... "what does he know, he never wore a helmet"? (in regards to a very well known firearms instructor). I chose to exit that world and frankly stay away from it in many fashions because it's certainly setup as a hierarchy with people like me being bottom of totum pole. I refuse to train with people who seek to give me different training (or deny me) because i am a civvy nor one who seeks for me to prove via background check or display of certain govt documents that i am "approved" to own inanimate objects.

Perhaps i need a thread for this rant of mine, but it's bothered me for years.

I hear ya! I've been fortunate to have received a good bit of my firearms instruction from a "civie", and it was all good stuff. I've also done some firearms training with SF guys, and they were all as humble and respectful as can be. I have a feeling a lot of the "military" guys who you've been exposed to are no longer serving for a reason. True professionals don't have to thump their chests to get respect.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2017, 04:05:22 PM »

I was unable to serve because of knee issues that kept me from running for many years. I tried to become a cop at one point, but God led me away from that. I worked in the firearms industry, trained a hell of a lot in weapons and tactics, but all of this as a "civilian". I've found that unless you've "served", you get no respect in many areas. Overtime, i felt many of those in the firearms industry were self absorbed jerks who "served". those who didnt were talked down to and often told to shut up in certain terms... "what does he know, he never wore a helmet"? (in regards to a very well known firearms instructor). I chose to exit that world and frankly stay away from it in many fashions because it's certainly setup as a hierarchy with people like me being bottom of totum pole. I refuse to train with people who seek to give me different training (or deny me) because i am a civvy nor one who seeks for me to prove via background check or display of certain govt documents that i am "approved" to own inanimate objects.

Perhaps i need a thread for this rant of mine, but it's bothered me for years.

I hear ya! I've been fortunate to have received a good bit of my firearms instruction from a "civie", and it was all good stuff. I've also done some firearms training with SF guys, and they were all as humble and respectful as can be. I have a feeling a lot of the "military" guys who you've been exposed to are no longer serving for a reason. True professionals don't have to thump their chests to get respect.

i agree. the ones i do still associate with are (rather) humble. There is one i've trained with who teaches the same SF stuff to lowly civvies like me as he does to everyone else. I just so happens cannot afford some of the equipment required to take some of his advanced classes.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2017, 08:25:40 PM »
You made me think of something

Back when I first entered Special Operations, my unit was highly classified. We carried all sorts of weapons, essentially, anything you wanted to carry was OK. Know where we went to train how to use those weapons? We used to go to a certain civie shooting school. You may have heard the rumors, but seldom was the day when a Task Force helo wasn't parked in the guys back yard. We'd haul in our own ammo, take an aircraft, stay there for a week and live with him and his family. We weren't allowed out in public and his wife cooked us all our meals.

Ring any bells? That's where we learned how to shoot!
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2017, 09:23:02 PM »
You made me think of something

Back when I first entered Special Operations, my unit was highly classified. We carried all sorts of weapons, essentially, anything you wanted to carry was OK. Know where we went to train how to use those weapons? We used to go to a certain civie shooting school. You may have heard the rumors, but seldom was the day when a Task Force helo wasn't parked in the guys back yard. We'd haul in our own ammo, take an aircraft, stay there for a week and live with him and his family. We weren't allowed out in public and his wife cooked us all our meals.

Ring any bells? That's where we learned how to shoot!

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2017, 11:27:22 PM »
John Shaw
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 08:41:48 AM »
John Shaw

neva heard of him.

i guess i need to be one of the cool kids.... :tongue:
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2017, 12:18:29 PM »
John Shaw

neva heard of him.

i guess i need to be one of the cool kids.... :tongue:
Gold medalist in shooting

Won every major shooting competition on earth

Very active in the early developmental days of super-duper special opns...

Once he catered to our people, we basically "Absorbed" him

He flourished for quite some time.

Then he gave an interview and mentioned Delta, Seals and us, (160th) and that was that.

No one ever went back. You see once the press gets on to us, what we were doing or where we were, they'd wait around to try and get the story. Everything that community does is "Close hold" so a squawk box is given over the other side. That's what Shaw did and killed a great training school.

But by then we had our own experts and champions. The training we provided our folks internally became world class. One place you can see it is at the BlackWater school in Moyock, N.C.

I went to that twice. Funny too because the first range day shooting the G19 I am drawing and shooting my lane with this 1st bat Ranger following me. He tells me to clear and holster. Then he asks right up, "You a 160th guy/"
I answered in the affirmitive and asked how in the heck he figured that out. He said its the way you guys draw, very unique. He then chuckled and said I didn't need to be on this course, but go ahead and have fun, which I did

At the end of the training the Seal instructors were having fun with us and decided to have a shoot-off between the top two guys in the class. We had around 30 I think. Well, he called a K9 guy and me, and away we went. Had us shoot a lone with steels. I was ringing mine and shot his as well, so he started shooting mine too. Not sure who won, probably him. I remember he shot one of my targets just as I was squeezing off a shot at it. He hit it, and spun it and my bullet passed through empty airspace.

Then the seals berated the other guys for having a dog handler and a pilot out shoot actual ground guys.

That skill which I still teach today, and actually teaching a class tomorrow came from John Shaw

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2017, 03:12:54 PM »
see, part of me wishes i did serve. i despise the politics and the pc culture that has invaded the miliary since 2008, but i feel it would have given me much needed life lessons. My brother is a iraq vet and was at ramadi and elsewhere. I could envy him for his experience and how it shaped him, but i realize that wasn't where God led me. I instead went to design school and did absolutely nothing adventurous/interesting that didnt involve a buffet.

now i am in the best shape of my life after losing 100 pounds and i got no life experiences to speak of.

I can be a super hero for my little girl and a knight for my bride, own and master the domain around me and rain hell on anyone who interferes.  that's about it.

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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2017, 05:10:25 PM »
And for your world and those that exist in it that is what God has planned for you. I have a lot of the same feelings as you on the subject. Medically excluded before I could even get started etc. but you make a very true and ironclad point, that you can be a superhero for your children and knight to your wife. Like me, your lot in life is to provide and protect them rather than many others. Much smaller scale than some, but just as valid and important in God's eyes. Thank you for sharing here. I've been following this for some time.
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2017, 05:30:01 PM »
Guys, I highly recommend you read his book, By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing." .  He ahs a couple other book also but this was the better of what he has written.

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2017, 05:55:58 PM »
On Killing is a interesting read...that I agree with. What I took away from it wasn't exactly a glowing review of our Military's mental health. 

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2017, 07:34:02 PM »
i read prepper books - it sounds silly but ive learned a lot from them. i am drawn to the ones where the main character isn't some captain america thin blue line macho cop or war hero but someone just like me who rose to the occasion and took what he knew and applied it.

by the way i carry myself, dress and look - every asks me if i am current or former. when i say no they are shocked. i could be a line backer too, but little do they know my knees spine effect what i can and cannot do greatly.

ive got 4 other special needs kids (which i will make a separate rant about) who are my nieces and nephews who see me as the only male figure in their lives and i'll be damned if those boys see some gender confused girly man.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2017, 11:21:03 AM »
That skill which I still teach today, and actually teaching a class tomorrow came from John Shaw

http://weaponstraining.com/pages/about.htm#John

Just about all the SF guys I've had the fortune of training with attended his courses.
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2017, 12:06:42 PM »
That skill which I still teach today, and actually teaching a class tomorrow came from John Shaw

http://weaponstraining.com/pages/about.htm#John

Just about all the SF guys I've had the fortune of training with attended his courses.
Ya, after dimeing out the Seals, there was a period of "healing" then I assume things got back to normal, but only for a certain community
Shaw has likely trained thousands!
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Re: Sheep Dogs
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2017, 08:07:57 AM »
Excellence.  I nodded after every sentence.  Thank you for sharing.
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