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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #900 on: February 14, 2017, 09:25:09 AM »
Due to the wall thickness, I had to come in from both sides, using a pilot hole (Get it: Pilot hole!!!)
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #901 on: February 14, 2017, 09:27:47 AM »
Junkin' up my Duluth cool guy shirt, but what the heck, gotta git it dun!

There will be an elbow and the pipe will pass through the structure. One end will be capped and used to add water from my trailer. The opposite elbow will connect to the rain gutter to be installed on the camper

Remember, this is a "Survival" system and not to be used for the wife's 200 gallon showers
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #902 on: February 14, 2017, 09:28:35 AM »
A 5" hole saw is about right for a 4" sched 40 or 80 4" pipe
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #903 on: February 14, 2017, 09:29:16 AM »
Illustrating location of fill pipe
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #904 on: February 14, 2017, 09:30:43 AM »
The pipe was built on the floor of the structure. The "X" marks the center of the tank and the 6" fill port
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #905 on: February 14, 2017, 09:33:26 AM »
Rain gutter connection point. Note that the pipe is not final assembled and breaks down for final fitting and gluing up on site
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #906 on: February 14, 2017, 09:34:16 AM »
The mechanicals will be mounted on this PT 3/4" plywood panel which will mount about here:
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #907 on: February 14, 2017, 09:35:43 AM »
The major components will be a quality filter, a high pressure (55psi) pump, and a pressure bladder made for RV's
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #908 on: February 14, 2017, 09:37:12 AM »
First off, I mounted the filter "Holder"
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #909 on: February 14, 2017, 09:40:18 AM »
Then I want about destroying the water pump and splitting my two remaining fingers open trying to fit mis-matching threads from the PEX coupling fittings to the NPT nipples on the pump.

After that I threw in the towel, and went upstairs for spaghetti!

I need to solve this dilems. I feel that PEX is the right way to go. It stands up to being frozen way mo-better that PVC
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #910 on: February 14, 2017, 10:01:21 AM »
Don, the threads are different, you know this now.
I think it is the pump that has oddball threads...CRS back to 2012 a bit here.
I think that an RV dealer would likely have the bits you need.
I seem to remember something Wierd with the pump on mine when I was fabbing up permenant winterizing lines.

The PEX is definitely the way you want to go.
Looking good other than the carnage.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #911 on: February 14, 2017, 11:52:01 AM »
And what is wrong with a 200 gallon shower?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #912 on: February 14, 2017, 12:36:05 PM »
And what is wrong with a 200 gallon shower?

nothing if you're not in southern California or living off the grid :rolleyes: :facepalm:
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #913 on: February 14, 2017, 04:55:55 PM »
And what is wrong with a 200 gallon shower?
Nuthin!
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #914 on: February 14, 2017, 04:57:26 PM »
Don, the threads are different, you know this now.
I think it is the pump that has oddball threads...CRS back to 2012 a bit here.
I think that an RV dealer would likely have the bits you need.
I seem to remember something Wierd with the pump on mine when I was fabbing up permenant winterizing lines.

The PEX is definitely the way you want to go.
Looking good other than the carnage.
Ciphered it out Mr. Sam

I earned the crescent wrench bonehead award

The fittings I was using were compression fittings, not NPT

I now have a new pump $99 (Gulp)

And a bag full of the correct fittings
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #915 on: February 14, 2017, 06:15:39 PM »
No way to chase the threads and make the other pump work?

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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #916 on: February 14, 2017, 06:41:50 PM »
Don, the threads are different, you know this now.
I think it is the pump that has oddball threads...CRS back to 2012 a bit here.
I think that an RV dealer would likely have the bits you need.
I seem to remember something Wierd with the pump on mine when I was fabbing up permenant winterizing lines.

The PEX is definitely the way you want to go.
Looking good other than the carnage.
Ciphered it out Mr. Sam

I earned the crescent wrench bonehead award

The fittings I was using were compression fittings, not NPT

I now have a new pump $99 (Gulp)

And a bag full of the correct fittings

 :knucklehead: award!
Glad to hear it's figured.
Looks like you have a parts pump now too...
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #917 on: February 14, 2017, 06:52:03 PM »
...or an extra fuel pump for the cumminGs! hah
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #918 on: February 14, 2017, 08:05:12 PM »
...or an extra fuel pump for the cumminGs! hah
Good one!
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #919 on: February 14, 2017, 08:06:23 PM »
OK, here's the two incorrect fittings, along with the correct PVC/PEX fitting I discovered today
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #920 on: February 14, 2017, 08:08:46 PM »
And the new Sur-Flow 55psi pump

I figured out what to do with the mangled pump. I'll order a new pump base, the plastic part and repair mine. THen I'll plumb a line to a spigot so I can have a point to collect water for building, washing or squirting the little people who come wantering by too close ! ;-)
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #921 on: February 14, 2017, 08:10:32 PM »
Then I leveled up the filter and snugged it in its cradle mount a little better
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #922 on: February 14, 2017, 08:12:03 PM »
Here is the pump board with the pump, the pressure bladder and the pex tubing all screwed together and ready for some dog to chew apart
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #923 on: February 14, 2017, 08:12:59 PM »
It is mounted temporarily here awaiting the tear-down and shipment to the farm
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #924 on: February 14, 2017, 08:14:49 PM »
The outlet will be routed through the hole in the block of wood, then out through the hole in the side of the structure. I'll foam seal the thing to within an inch of its life when it gets installed
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #925 on: February 14, 2017, 08:16:01 PM »
I plumbed up a faucet with a handy pex fitting that actually fit properly!
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #926 on: February 14, 2017, 08:16:58 PM »
I mounted that into a piece of 3/4" pine board
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #927 on: February 14, 2017, 08:17:43 PM »
And mounted it to the side of the structure
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #928 on: February 14, 2017, 08:19:26 PM »
The hole comes through just in front of where the water tanks will sit, so I'll just zip tie the PEX line in place to secure it down

The green tape line represents the forward edge of the 330 gallon tank
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #929 on: February 14, 2017, 08:21:00 PM »
The main fill pipe will have two branches coming off and making a turn into the top of the tank
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #930 on: February 14, 2017, 08:48:48 PM »
As you have them, those wye's are backward, and water will have to go past and then come back to make that turn. You may want to rethink using wye's and use a standard tee, or simply turn those around.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #931 on: February 14, 2017, 10:13:01 PM »
Looks like he has them opposite of each other. Looks like 3 inch line and it comes in from both sides.

It may work OK letting water flow in but slow it down from going out the other side.

On the PEX, doesn't it still use clamps?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #932 on: February 14, 2017, 10:19:23 PM »
As you have them, those wye's are backward, and water will have to go past and then come back to make that turn. You may want to rethink using wye's and use a standard tee, or simply turn those around.
I placed the Wye's that way on purpose. I didn't want all the water to fill the first tank. I wanted the water to bypass somewhat so that it would "Dam up" a little and hopefully fill the tanks somewhat equally. The tanks will be connected at the bottom via a 2" manifold, so equalization will take place over time, but in case I have a water truck come out and top me off, I wanted to design in some type of equal filling
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #933 on: February 14, 2017, 10:20:47 PM »
Looks like he has them opposite of each other. Looks like 3 inch line and it comes in from both sides.

It may work OK letting water flow in but slow it down from going out the other side.

On the PEX, doesn't it still use clamps?
4" pipe

Wye's are opposite. See above comment
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #934 on: February 14, 2017, 11:40:55 PM »
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #935 on: February 15, 2017, 08:16:15 AM »
Might want to use a freeze proof hose bibb or put a valve on the inside to isolate it in severe weather
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #936 on: February 15, 2017, 09:55:39 AM »
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
I definitely plan to develop the existing well, you know that bonehead!

I'm adding to the place in stages. With everything that gets done, the place becomes even more capable of sustaining peoples, like my peoples, maybe some of you knuckleheads, who knows...

Yep, build a ring wall up around the well mouth, then erect a metal building around it

Place a solar pump in it

Place a collection tank next to it

Run a line for the overflow from that tank to the Koi pond

Run another line up to the house cistern which doesn't exist just yet
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #937 on: February 15, 2017, 10:04:08 AM »
Maybe you've discussed it before but have you tried driving a point?  If you could find water it would be a quick way to get clean drinking water without any extra filters etc..

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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #938 on: February 15, 2017, 10:35:58 AM »
Maybe you've discussed it before but have you tried driving a point?  If you could find water it would be a quick way to get clean drinking water without any extra filters etc..
Driving a point???

What's that mean?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #939 on: February 15, 2017, 10:53:20 AM »
drive in a sand/well point by hand. If the water table isn't too far down and if the ground is sandy loam and gravel they work good. You won't have 35 or 40 gpm but enough to get by.

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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #940 on: February 15, 2017, 11:04:42 AM »
$ inch should move a little water and the Y's make sense then.

Did you ever figure out the well issue with all the crud in there?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #941 on: February 15, 2017, 11:16:31 AM »
$ inch should move a little water and the Y's make sense then.

Did you ever figure out the well issue with all the crud in there?
There was an odd "Second surfacing" of debris that we cleaned out again.

After that other projects were consuming my time, so it is a due out at the moment
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« Reply #942 on: February 15, 2017, 12:55:12 PM »
Might want to use a freeze proof hose bibb or put a valve on the inside to isolate it in severe weather

I second this, they make freeze proof hose bibbs for a reason.  Do you have enough room inside for it? 

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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #943 on: February 15, 2017, 12:56:47 PM »
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
I definitely plan to develop the existing well, you know that bonehead!

I'm adding to the place in stages. With everything that gets done, the place becomes even more capable of sustaining peoples, like my peoples, maybe some of you knuckleheads, who knows...

Yep, build a ring wall up around the well mouth, then erect a metal building around it

Place a solar pump in it

Place a collection tank next to it

Run a line for the overflow from that tank to the Koi pond

Run another line up to the house cistern which doesn't exist just yet

I said a real well, you know where guy with big truck comes in & charges you money in return he knows what he's doing......
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #944 on: February 15, 2017, 02:01:42 PM »
Might want to use a freeze proof hose bibb or put a valve on the inside to isolate it in severe weather

I second this, they make freeze proof hose bibbs for a reason.  Do you have enough room inside for it? 
Yes, I believe I have enough room

I'll make the change
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #945 on: February 15, 2017, 03:16:03 PM »
I just ordered the buggerd up housing part for my ShurFlow 55psi water pump. Cost me all of $25

So when that puppy is repaired, I'll use it for a dedicated line for the spigot...Watch out little people!
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #946 on: February 15, 2017, 03:21:20 PM »

Driving a point???

What's that mean?

A well or sand point.  You drive/ pound a perforated pipe with a screen into the earth until you get to the water table.  The first few feet will be the point,  then just keep adding pipe to it until you get deep enough.  Like Bob said it works really good in sandy/ gravel soils.  Looking at some of your previous pics and of the work you did with Sarge I would think you should have decent soil for it.  Also based on the depth of the exposed well and that mud hole you sometimes call a pond I would think your water table isn't to low. 

You can purchase an electric pump to bring the water to the surface, or for occasional use an old hand pump would work great.  I would venture that for less then a couple hundred dollars and a days work you could be drinking fresh water.

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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #947 on: February 15, 2017, 03:45:32 PM »
Local well guy (sometimes state funded websites too, we had them in Indiana) can tell you static local water depth FYI.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #948 on: February 15, 2017, 05:50:38 PM »
No plans for a "real" no joke well on the property?
I definitely plan to develop the existing well, you know that bonehead!

I'm adding to the place in stages. With everything that gets done, the place becomes even more capable of sustaining peoples, like my peoples, maybe some of you knuckleheads, who knows...

Yep, build a ring wall up around the well mouth, then erect a metal building around it

Place a solar pump in it

Place a collection tank next to it

Run a line for the overflow from that tank to the Koi pond

Run another line up to the house cistern which doesn't exist just yet

AKA - Mash House/Still House with overflow line going to "Raccoon Feeding Pond" alternately known as Don's Hippie Wash Station.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug out Site construction thread, Part 3 (It's gettin' mo-betterer)
« Reply #949 on: February 15, 2017, 06:47:47 PM »
Local well guy (sometimes state funded websites too, we had them in Indiana) can tell you static local water depth FYI.

Follow the link below, trust me, its safe :grin:
 Actually, this is the kentucky state GIS system with well information.  If there are wells in the area of your place, it will show the total depth, casing depth and bedrock.  If it is a newer well, it will also show well quality(gpm and such data).  Hope this helps with a little technical data.

http://kgs.uky.edu/kgsmap/KGSWater/viewer.asp

 

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