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Rethinking vehicular and packable weapons systems

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TexasRedNeck:
The events in Europe of the last three months have caused me to rethink my chosen weapon system for EDC.  Typically I CC a Glock 23 (.40, midsize).  With the recent events of vehicular terrorism in the UK and knowing that our past politicians embraced some of the same sick people to come to the US, it is unfortunatley only a matter of time before we see the same in the US.  The seeds were sown long ago in the 60s, but starting with Clinton in the mid 1990s the refugees began to pour in from Muslim countries.  It is now only a matter of time (I estimate 10 years or less) before these types of attacks become commonplace in the US.

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf/twentythree-four/tsc_23_4_gibson_3.pdf
http://cis.org/USMuslimImmigrants

With this in mind, I believe that there is a need for more powerful weapons system on ones person or vehicle.  In Texas you cannot conceal a long gun the way you can a pistol.  In the past, I thought the concept of and AR platform pistol was a novelty and a waste of resources.  Given the recent events and an article I read about AR pistols, I am now embarking on a journey to build an AR PDW pistol.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/05/08/justification-packable-ar15-pistols-vehicles/

I will use this thread as a place to document the build and the decision process associated with parts and as always DOT Bait for the inevitable conversations that ensue.

So here is where my calculus is at the moment.

The foundation will be an AR platform with a very short barrel and a folding buffer tube adapter.  With this set up, I should be able to easily conceal this weapon in the console of my truck and a briefcase or backpack. 

http://www.primaryarms.com/law-tactical-ar-folding-stock-adapter-gen-3-m-ltgen3m

The question at the moment is caliber.  Those that have followed some of my musings in the past know that I have chosen to standardize calibers, platforms and parts to keep it simple.   After some reading, I am wondering if the 300 Blackout might be a better choice for such a weapons system.  My criteria for caliber selection would be:

commercially available and reliable feeding with minimal parts modification
ballistically superior from a barrel length of 7.5 inches or less
ability to penetrate winsheilds and unreinforced automotive panels
minute of scumbag accuracy to 75-100 yards
reliability of feeding
lethality in humans

From that I can tell, the 300BK is superior from short barrels and requires the least amount of weapons modifications to run in an AR platform and keeps wear and tear on parts to a minimum.

With that said I do not have any experience with the 300BK so I am open to other options.

I have many lowers in the safe, so I will start with a LPK and the folding buffer tube adapter.

Would appreciate your perspective and thoughts.

wilsonphil:
TRN, I have just built 2ea of said units trying different items of some of the components you are talking about, I have been kind of swamped at work right now.  Give me a couple days and I will give a report of what sort of works and what dose very well.  BTW that law tactical fold unit works nice and were on sale on Brownells site a couple weeks ago

stlaser:
Mine are in 5.56, one I will post up info on is an over the counter manufactured unit that you can get a folding stock for with additional stamp for sbr.

Edit: here you go plr-16

https://www.keltecweapons.com/pistols/plr-16

For the record I have owned several keltec guns, the ones that run someone else's mag have always functioned well for me.

Flyin6:
Don't want to blow a hole in your thinking but in 10 years by way of RN's thinking vehicle homicide terrorism will be the least of your problems.

ISIS is using vehicles and knives because that is all they can easily source.

The united states has hundreds of millions of weapons I'm guessing

Tannerite is available everywhere

Hometown terrorists already make bombs, militarized guys can get a whole bunch better

When the acronyms we mil types grew to know so well become common place here a long or short or medium gun won't help much, unless it stops the piece of shrapnel headed for your neck.

For now, keep that G23, but back it up with a good shotgun

Load it like this:
In the chamber: #6 magnum 1st round out gets everyone or their attention
Next two 00 buckshot for when they stop and wonder what to do, shoot two of them
Next two slug or .50cal sabot for the two idiots who ran behind a cinder block wall of got behind a car...shoot them
Next round or two: #6 ...turn and run, learn to swing the shotgun backwards and fire. Keeps their heads down while you're changing addresses

TexasRedNeck:
No  worries. I'll build it anyway. Can't CC a shotgun. I'll find a use for it


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