Vegas.

[Superwhdm]

Forgive me gentlemen, I am just thinking this Vegas massacre, the worst in recent US history is just too convenient for some things.  Not to mention what the brainwashers/brainwashees are saying about the people that were killed and injured.  I mean I am not much for conspiracies, but comon, 16 weapons including fully automatic and hundreds of rounds. I do understand he had money and could have acquired these illegally but for someone to just plan all this for apparently no reason is unrealistic at best.  I just can’t wait for the “story” to come out if it ever does.

What I am left wondering is this:

What is this supposed to draw attention away from?
Will we ever know the truth? I know the answer to that one.
Was this guy a pawn to get rid of Long guns? Full Auto hadn’t been used yet in a massacre of this scale. Are the radicals pulling out all the stops or what! 

Bottom line is I am sick about this. It gives me a physical environmental response. I feel so much for the people affected by this. They could have been my kids or my family or friends.

What’s next. What say you?

[cudakidd53]

Don't have any answers on this one; nothing would surprise me.  What I DO know is that EVIL is allowed free reign as long as man allows it the free space to live, breed and grow.  Free will allows for good and evil to exist side by side.

[stlaser]

Here's what I know or see etc.

-Post Christian country

-father who was psychopath

-was this guy on anti depressants?

-had several ex wives, better speak with all of them and current Australian Asian wife

-habitual gambler

-Hispanic chic warning prior to massacre who was escorted from venue

-who modified the AR's to fa? An accountant did it, meaning the shooter? Ok, maybe but doubtful
Edit: well this answers that....
Vegas shooter's weapons cache included devices enabling automatic gunfire, report says http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/vegas-shooters-weapons-cache-included-devices-enabling-automatic-gunfire-report-says.html

If you focus on the Dad & the obvious mental issue you may find your answers pretty quick. He was not religious, Satans biggest win has been convincing us he doesn't exist......

Edit: Trump hit nail on head, we're looking at pure evil here.

[Flyin6]

I'd "Season" this one for a time

Give it some time for the story to fully develop and watch the juxtapositioning of the early and follow on players

A linkage with mental illness and gun control is surely in the offing as is the age old anti gun rhetoric.

It's pretty convenient when the shooter is blown up before being questioned...

[TexasRedNeck]

Not sure what I heard in the video is consistent with a bump fire stock

[stlaser]

So Matt Bracken was spreading a video of this guy & his girlfriend at an anti trump rally. Maybe there's a reason the media keeps repeating "there was no motive".....

[Superwhdm]

And LieHillary is already spreading “what ifs” about if he had suppressors and what not and has already targeted the NRA.  Here we go fellas.

[Sammconn]

And LieHillary is already spreading “what ifs” about if he had suppressors and what not and has already targeted the NRA.  Here we go fellas.

Yeah, because suppressors stop the supersonic snap downrange...smh.
I wish I could say I'm surprised that the antis are this stupid.

I'd hazard there's a lot to this that we'll never hear about as to the 'why' it happened.

[cj7ox]

I did hear somewhere that this act was claimed by "AntiFa". That and the anti-Trump activity may lend credence. Either way, it's a tragic act by a wacko that will be used by the left to further their agendas.

[wyorunner]

Not sure what I heard in the video is consistent with a bump fire stock

This was my thought. As well as the muzzle flash from another video....which wasn't on the 32nd floor

Terribly sad none the less, whether it was one nutter with zero motive or a team with a hidden agenda, it is terribly unfortunate that so many people were hurt and before the individuals who lost their lives were even cold killary was using it as a political launching point, as well as many others.

May God be with the families of the deceased, and help those who were injured heal. Furthermore, God, please help our country come together in this time of pain to unite in You, Amen.

As Cheif said, let it "season," as I think the contradictions and unanswered questions will be overwhelming.

[Wilbur]

I'd "Season" this one for a time

Give it some time for the story to fully develop and watch the juxtapositioning of the early and follow on players

A linkage with mental illness and gun control is surely in the offing as is the age old anti gun rhetoric.

It's pretty convenient when the shooter is blown up before being questioned...

THIS^^^^

I am so sad for the victims. 2 of my daughter's friends were there, fortunately okay. But so much of what "comes out" initially is proven false later. I truly believe the Dems politicize it immediately because the people who do these things are always people the Dems support be it Muslims or "regular" Democrats. The libs know that if they hurry up and get a "story" out there the ignorant among them will buy it hook line and sinker and continue to spew those falsehoods. Look at how indifferent Libs are to Benghazi despite demonstrable proof that the "you tube video" story was utter BS.

[Flyin6]

I did hear somewhere that this act was claimed by "AntiFa". That and the anti-Trump activity may lend credence. Either way, it's a tragic act by a wacko that will be used by the left to further their agendas.

Hasn't some of the anti-americans, err, I mean anti-fa goon leadership openly set a date to start kinetic operations against we horrible conservatives?

[wyorunner]

I did hear somewhere that this act was claimed by "AntiFa". That and the anti-Trump activity may lend credence. Either way, it's a tragic act by a wacko that will be used by the left to further their agendas.

Hasn't some of the anti-americans, err, I mean anti-fa goon leadership openly set a date to start kinetic operations against we horrible conservatives?

I thought that was November....?

[Flyin6]

I did hear somewhere that this act was claimed by "AntiFa". That and the anti-Trump activity may lend credence. Either way, it's a tragic act by a wacko that will be used by the left to further their agendas.

Hasn't some of the anti-americans, err, I mean anti-fa goon leadership openly set a date to start kinetic operations against we horrible conservatives?

I thought that was November....?

I'd pay attention

Should violence visit any of us, I think it would be safe to assume the worse. You see, should you dispatch someone while defending what is yours, the knowledge you had coming into this will help in that court of law when you're explaining why a whole mess of them got shot while they only meant to burn your home down...
Idiots just go on forever creating their own messes, and oftentimes create conditions for their own demise.

Lets just hope none of this nonsense ever happens.

[stlaser]

I did hear somewhere that this act was claimed by "AntiFa". That and the anti-Trump activity may lend credence. Either way, it's a tragic act by a wacko that will be used by the left to further their agendas.

Hasn't some of the anti-americans, err, I mean anti-fa goon leadership openly set a date to start kinetic operations against we horrible conservatives?

I thought that was November....?

Bracken did infowars (yes I still dislike AJ for the record) today & he said it was Nov but his assumption was Oct would be the lead up to Nov with stuff increasing & vegas may have been the signal to the rest of them to move forward with all the individual plans etc

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/10/03/bracken-on-aj-yesterday-2/

[stlaser]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/was-there-second-shooter-vegas

[JR]

I have been hearing about a 2nd shooter.

What about the girl who got on stage and said they were going to die?

I will add cudos to the Sheriff. Does a great job with interviews keeping em on tract.

[stlaser]

So then there's this, btw the comments section at end of article is always the most entertaining!


http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2017/10/who-how-why-and-wtf.html?m=1

[Superwhdm]

Let the record show I dont believe any of this until I see video of Stephen Paddock doing it.  This stinks of ulterior motive horribly.

[Superwhdm]

Some interesting POVs:

Police scanner
https://youtu.be/UwD2pypWu-E

Taxi driver vid unedited
https://youtu.be/mBbOFwWquAw

[Wilbur]

So then there's this, btw the comments section at end of article is always the most entertaining!


http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2017/10/who-how-why-and-wtf.html?m=1

This is interesting....

[Flyin6]

I don't like this at all

Video evidence of shots from the 10th floor, but the claimed shooter, a retired accountant (Retired accountant????) is on the 32nd floor.

Listening to the gunfire, I can say I have heard that many, many times. I hear some 82nd Airborne guys saying it sounds like a SAW, a M-249 squad automatic weapon, but I'd have to say I disagree, although I am no expert. That 249 cooks right along near 1000 rounds per minute or something like that. A M-240 on the middle or high position sounds more like that. Considering the range, that shot would be better suited to a M240.
Do we know if it was a 5.56 or a 7.62mm?
I'm wondering where an accountant got the time to hone his machine gunner skills?

You see, I have trained many, many (possibly more than a couple hundred) aerial gunners. From decades of doing that, I can say that when we first start, usually they couldn't hit a paper bag if they were inside. It takes a lot of practice to be able to hit things. Add to that the range and the fact that it was night and I really wonder how we didn't have that guy in delta force or ST-6.

So the media line is simply not correct. Now I don't know if the martians, the russians, the Chic-fil-a people did it, but it sure looks like a bunch of folks. A couple of shooters. Then there is the dead security guard and the other security guard who was pursued. Then the "Average couple" who warned at the concert venue that everyone there was going to die. I'm thinking she knew about this beforehand and didn't just stay at a holiday inn express last night.

600 people killed or wounded! Wow, that's more than I can claim even after 30 years in military and combat contracting and we were like, the best out there in combat land. Yea, I'm thinking the Armee and the Marines needs to start recruiting from our financial and business schools where apparently the world's best gunners are wasting their time on a degree in finance!

[stlaser]

I read both 7.62 & 5.56 early on

[Flyin6]

I read both 7.62 & 5.56 early on

Just listened to some raw feeds. I can hear several different weapon sounds and in one spot I hear a 5.56 running then is overlapped by the staccato of a 7.62. At that point two weapons were firing.
Honestly, it sounded a lot like a low intensity fire fight with just a few guns going.

[JR]

To much not making sense.

Maybe he was dead before any of this happened, the real shooters are gone. It was 9 min of fire and an hour before police are in the room? The hotel reported they had a glass break alarm so they had a good location right off

Now the picture with a note, to convenient. It also looks like more hardware than one man could use.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

[Superwhdm]

It most certainly sounds like multiple rifles to me, close together as for multiple shooters.  There were mirrored reverberations of gunfire due to the buildings proximities to each other in some of the videos but there were most definitely at least TWO different rifle reports.  Like I said I dont believe this retired accountant even had anything to do with this.  This is much much bigger.

[Flyin6]

Another thing to consider is the cost for 23 AR's!

Reports indicate this guy was deeply in debt and had a gambling issue. So how does someone have residual cash for 30K+ worth of gunnage?

Not adding up, and the folks setting this up are pretty sloppy...

But I still say to season it some more. What we really need to know is not if he or twenty guys did this.

No, what we need to clarify is is this an ISIS attack, or the onset of this antifa thing.

I hope that everyone with a brain can see that someone is trying to start a civil war here.

Anyone with a pulse think the lefties have any sort of a chance at all against mainstream conservative America? No way, not in a hundred years. They are idiots for the most part. We are not and we are so well trained and armed.

The start of violence everywhere is only setting the condition for martial law. OB's executive orders packaged all that up nicely, but Trump is not a ML sort of guy. So there may be something even larger and more sinister in play here.

[Superwhdm]

I agree those responsible are sloppy. And they are so dumb they expect us to be. Sounds familiar?  I will be watching this very closely.

[stlaser]

Civil war?

One side has 8 billion rounds of ammo & the other side is confused about which bathroom they should use.....

[Superwhdm]

HAHAHA you have a good point.

[KensAuto]

Civil war?

One side has 8 billion rounds of ammo & the other side is confused about which bathroom they should use.....

Good one!! 

The pics of the room show an AR with a bump stock, but, I've never seen a vid of anyone being able to shoot 100 rounds non stop with one....even with tons of practice.

[Flyin6]

Civil war?

One side has 8 billion rounds of ammo & the other side is confused about which bathroom they should use.....

Good one!! 

The pics of the room show an AR with a bump stock, but, I've never seen a vid of anyone being able to shoot 100 rounds non stop with one....even with tons of practice.

Ken,
I own a bump fire M4

It is anything but reliable. And not accurate either. Basically just a novelty I pull out at family reunions to make some noise, nothing more. A bump fire gun did not do all that. I think a trained machine gunner with a M240 or possibly a M249 or perhaps a couple of them did what we are seeing.

[Dawg25385]

Weird to me how ISIS was claiming the attacks so hard right off the bat, saying this guy was a recent convert. Girlfriend in Philippines? What'd the note say?

If not that, possible motive of retribution for girlfriend getting deported, and target likely trump supporters. Thought I saw somewhere that he was registered democrat in Florida at one point.

Definitely weird. The public needs to see that note left behind.

And I read that apparently he was on Valium


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[Wilbur]

This woman has some interesting perspectives and info on it. She tweeted a picture yesterday of (supposedly) the shooter and asks why there are clean bullet casings on top of the blood stain beneath him (You have to scroll down to her tweets from Oct 3). I don't know if this is a photoshop or anything else but it would seem to raise some questions about what we are being told....

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer

[cudakidd53]

LOTS of loose ends, plot lines, plausible angles and posts heading all over the place.  One making sense is accused/dead shooter working w/ Feds on Fast/Furious 2 gun running for ISIS in US.  That could reconcile 2nd plane being supposedly registered to "spook/Fed" group, girlfriend musloid and supposed conversion.  Supposedly trying to entrap ISIS with full-auto weapons but they caught on and kill him then do the deed and scatter....Feds sowing misinformation to cover yet another display of incompetence or collusion with ol' bummer and musloid motherhood.

I sincerely doubt that this is just a lone person who's cheese slid off his cracker......rich guy in Vegas setting for a middle aged "woof" of a girlfriend while surrounded by young "professionals" really doesn't add up either.......

[Wilbur]

Agree with you cuda. I just hope we learn the truth.

[Flyin6]

No mistaking at least two weapons firing at the same time. One a higher rate of fire, make it 900-950 rounds per minute. Then another at maybe 750 RPM. almost like a tuned up M60A3, but my money still says M240

Now it would be possible for him to pull the triggers of two weapons at once, but with hopes of hitting something? No way

[stlaser]

Hmmm


https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/10/04/things-that-make-you-go-hmmmm/

[TexasRedNeck]

I'm so glad the libs are lining up to pass laws against big rental trucks, machetes, pressure cookers, and cracking down on Muslim extremists immigrants at the same time they want to after our guns

[cudakidd53]

I'm so glad the libs are lining up to pass laws against big rental trucks, machetes, pressure cookers, and cracking down on Muslim extremists immigrants at the same time they want to after our guns

Why worry about new laws, they don't enforce any of the laws of this country as it is, or the above issues would be almost non-existent.   

[Wilbur]

So something weird I can't figure out....in the pic of the shooter being shown a lot where he has a drink in his hand he has a "13" tattooed on the front of his neck. But in the one of him with his girlfriend's family he doesn't have it. Then in the pic being shown of him after he supposedly committed suicide (the 10/3 pic I referenced above) he doesn't have it. So obviously one or more pics are fakes. But also, assuming the ones of him with his gf's family and the sleepy eyed pic with the drink are real he got the neck tattoo after the pic with the gf's family. Why? Isn't it odd that a 60 something yo accountant type would get a prison looking neck tattoo? Yeah I understand that any mass casualty shooter has likely done lots of weird stuff but this is another "something doesn't add up" thing in my mind.

[stlaser]

If you haven't come to this conclusion yet let me be frank. This retired, physically out of shape accountant is not one of your shooters. My opinion today is that he is the patsy at best. The Las Vegas sheriff last night under obvious 72 hours of sleep deprivation stated he did not believe this guy was the super man to be the lone gunman.

The personal cell videos out sound a lot like a belt fed weapon (my best guess is 7.62 in nature as it "hits" pretty hard) & potentially a m4 auto shooting a couple short control bursts at the same time. Again just my 2 cents but he ain't the guy & this whole thing stinks with just about everyone but lamestream media already looking at the bottoms of their shoes to see where the smell is coming from.....

[Superwhdm]

^Agreed.  One post I read made real sense.  Why 23 guns with various scopes and bipods etc.?  There were meant to be many more individuals in there. Maybe there were, maybe they backed out.  However, I do not believe he did this.  I believe he is the fall guy.  And if you have watched interviews of the extremely weird brother, he knows something.

[JR]

I agree also, I said earlier he is a fall guy.

I really want to see some footage from the hotel hallway and outside. With that much going on someone could have donned another uniform and blended in and walked away.

The accounts of long auto fire I believe are echos. Sounds like controlled bursts to me as the reports have a rhythm to them.

From the pics you can see most of the guns have longer barrels and scopes and looks like quite a few surefire 100 rd magazines.

[TexasRedNeck]

Like Don, let this marinate for a bit.

The mirrored glass and flat sonically reflective surfaces make it really hard to accurately discern the truth, but what doesnt add up is all the weapons and two windows broken out.

[stlaser]

Among half a dozen other things that don't make any sense. Such as the idea he planned to escape and keep on living after this incident then why would you bring a bunch of extra guns registered to you if you were so smart?

[Wilbur]

More hmm....

https://worldtruth.tv/five-more-things-that-dont-add-up-about-the-las-vegas-massacre/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/16-unanswered-questions-about-las-vegas-shooting-mainstream-media-doesnt-want-talk-a

[TexasRedNeck]

Now we hear a room key card was used while this guys car had left the garage


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[stlaser]

But hey let's not let all these BS media reports go to waste. Let's roll over and take national reciprocity off the table (thank you GOP, Bunch of limp noodle degenerates) and have the ATF smarties (who devised FF btw among others) review the bumpfire stocks "again" because, well it feels good and we know those highly accurate full auto capable stocks just unleashed all that caranage by some elderly senior citizen no less.

Never mind doing anything serious such as pulling any ballistics info out of the asphalt from ground zero and providing some real info.......

Please, please NRA will you just support repealing the 2A altogether & get this party started already. I mean you are there to protect us gun owners and at the rate you're going that would most likely be the least damage you could do at this point!

[JR]

Actually, even though is is called the 2nd Amendment, it is not an Amendment at all. It was one of 10 of the articles added to the original Constitution and not added at a later date. Since it was not in the original body, it is called an amendment. Starting with amendment 11, they were ratified by the states on their own.