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224 Valkyrie
« on: January 19, 2018, 08:00:57 PM »
Anyone up on these- sounds interesting!  6.5 necked down to 556  - stay super sonic out past 1000 yards
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 07:00:55 AM »
Saw a post about it. Past a quick 30 second blurb, I got nothing.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!

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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2018, 07:33:12 AM »
I got an email from Integrity Arms that announced a pre-sale on a match barrel with other stuff and then read the description: interface with 6.5 AR bolt and similar parts.  Less susceptible to wind drift and flatter trajectory using Federal projectile and factory loads appear to be already available.

Charles, you know anything?
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2018, 12:19:42 PM »
I know nothing.

I?ll run some data through the ballistic calculator next week.

Frankenstein loads won?t get you much in barter or in interoperability when the fecal matter spatters

However keep in mind that all the dudes shooting 243 and 7wsm in competitions were only getting about 4000 rounds down a barrel before it was worn out from all that hot powder in the throat.

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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2018, 01:41:12 PM »
I know nothing.

I?ll run some data through the ballistic calculator next week.

Frankenstein loads won?t get you much in barter or in interoperability when the fecal matter spatters

However keep in mind that all the dudes shooting 243 and 7wsm in competitions were only getting about 4000 rounds down a barrel before it was worn out from all that hot powder in the throat.

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Great points Charles.....wasn't so much worried about barter as much as long distance communication with prairie dogs, coyotes and the like in my retirement.......and maybe vaporizing full beer cans at Don's Kintukee cottage!
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2018, 04:37:57 PM »
I know nothing.

I?ll run some data through the ballistic calculator next week.

Frankenstein loads won?t get you much in barter or in interoperability when the fecal matter spatters

However keep in mind that all the dudes shooting 243 and 7wsm in competitions were only getting about 4000 rounds down a barrel before it was worn out from all that hot powder in the throat.

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Great points Charles.....wasn't so much worried about barter as much as long distance communication with prairie dogs, coyotes and the like in my retirement.......and maybe vaporizing full beer cans at Don's Kintukee cottage!
All I can offer you is a tad less than 250 meters bro.

Now having said that, when I buy the other three farms surrounding me, if that ever happens, shooting to that next ridge and beyond we could get you out to 700 or more easily, I think.

I am finding that .224 V interesting

I used to be a big fan of the .220 Swift. Sort of like this...
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 05:53:52 PM »
What intrigues me is my assumption that it should allow me to just build another upper and pin it to my existing .308 ? Wouldn?t it be the same lower in AR 10 configuration?   Charles, Bobby?
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2018, 06:26:47 PM »
Charles, I was told it wasn't the speed as much as all the powder burning that ate up barrels. Cuda, more important to know what the bullet is doing at the needed range than how fast it is getting there. I know the wind is not a friend but heavier keeps a better line than faster. A good old .257 Roberts improved is about as good as it gets for longer range yote hunting.

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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2018, 07:15:34 PM »
Correct Bob but to get little bitty bullets going fast you gotta have lots of powder. Some 243 AIs I?ve seen are pushing 4000fps and have barrel life much shorter than 4000 rounds. As little as 2000 rounds at times.


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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 07:21:12 PM »
I completely agree, no free lunch. I would rather have a note sheet showing drop than save up for a barrel replacement and all the work to get the load worked up.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 07:30:15 PM »
Agreed Bob. Little hot loads like that, are a crutch for poor shooting skills IMO or when you are competing and have a sponsor, money is no object.  You mis read the wind or distance and its a lot more forgiving at 4000fps.  That's why now they have 308 matches where only 308s compete.  Levels the playing field.  I still think the 300 WM is hard to beat all around.  One reason the secret service used it for years and perhaps still do.
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 07:38:23 PM »

Agreed Bob. Little hot loads like that, are a crutch for poor shooting skills IMO or when you are competing and have a sponsor, money is no object.  You mis read the wind or distance and its a lot more forgiving at 4000fps.  That's why now they have 308 matches where only 308s compete.  Levels the playing field.  I still think the 300 WM is hard to beat all around.  One reason the secret service used it for years and perhaps still do.


Yup.....My go to round for hunting is a 300 win mag. Might mess up a little more meat but they are usually dead right there.

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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2018, 09:23:22 AM »
What intrigues me is my assumption that it should allow me to just build another upper and pin it to my existing .308 ? Wouldn?t it be the same lower in AR 10 configuration?   Charles, Bobby?


I think it would snap to the 15 lower. But I know absolutely nothing about this round or it's preferred setups.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!

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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 09:53:21 AM »
What intrigues me is my assumption that it should allow me to just build another upper and pin it to my existing .308 ? Wouldn?t it be the same lower in AR 10 configuration?   Charles, Bobby?


I think it would snap to the 15 lower. But I know absolutely nothing about this round or it's preferred setups.

I was just reading about this round elsewhere.  The .224 V uses the .223 bolt face so would work with AR 15.  That seems to be what it was developed for also.

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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 10:25:59 AM »
I still think the 300 WM is hard to beat all around. 

If you'll donate your fancy 300 Wm, I'll accept it.
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 06:41:16 PM »
It?s a sledgehammer for sure.  Not a pleasure to shoot at least without a muzzle brake or suppressor.  Want a 338 class can to put on it and a new long range optic before I start shooting it again


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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2018, 08:42:03 PM »
It?s a sledgehammer for sure.  Not a pleasure to shoot at least without a muzzle brake or suppressor.  Want a 338 class can to put on it and a new long range optic before I start shooting it again


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How about this. I'll take the 300 off your hands and then you can build your next dream rifle with a 338 can. Everyone wins!  :grin:
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2018, 10:23:00 PM »
So is there a .338 already or are you planning for one in the future?  I've got plans for a .300 WSM next.  Something nice and light to take out west.

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2018, 10:42:53 PM »
No 338 planned. Suppressors work on volume. My 30 cal thunderbeast is rated for 300wm but a larger volume would make tame the extra powder capacity. 338 cans have a lot of volume and would work well and it would allow me to build a 338 later should the fancy strike me.


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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2018, 11:38:49 PM »
So, after replacing a 1TB hard drive and rebuilding the raid array in my desktop, i was able to initially play around with some numbers for the .224 Valkyrie

They seem to have a different BC for the 90gn SMK than is in my software.  Trying to duplicate their advertised dope, I had to increase the BC on the SMK to .287 from the sierra advertised .256.  Not sure how they got there.

Sure, it gets there quick but with very little energy at 1000.

Conversly the 200gn SMK from a 300wm at the same velocity will deliver more than double the energy downrange.  Loaded to the same muzzle velocity it gets there about the same time and the valkyrie needs about 1/3 an MOA less windage.

If you are putting rounds downrange with hate and discontent, I'd want the 30 cal weapon.  If I were punching paper, I might consider it, if it werent for what I would believe would be very short barrel life.

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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2018, 12:35:19 AM »
Yeah, I just don't get the smaller bullet theme.

Putting a hole is paper is not taking something down at 500+ yards, energy.

My 7mm has served me well, but I could see a 300 or 338 in my future
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2018, 07:07:18 AM »
The 7mm round is very hard to beat.  If I had plenty of time and nothing else to do, I'd like to build a 7mm Allen Magnum, which is based on a necked down 338 Lapua case.  Spits out some stupid fast pellets.  200 gn bullet at 3300fps

here's some brain candy for you...

http://www.apsrifles.com/Allen_Magnum_Wildcats.html
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2018, 08:09:56 AM »
7mm is a nice round as well. My buddy has a 7mm Mag and I'm waiting for him to sell it, but he never will as it's his deer rifle.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2018, 10:40:15 AM »
Around here, 223 is the max caliber you can use to hunt coyotes. Some fellas wanted more speed and made wildcats in 22-243 and 22-284 (!!!). Both would be able to launch even the heaviest 22 projectiles at insane speeds, but as stated would limit barrel (throat) life for sure!
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2018, 10:55:05 AM »
In Texas we hunt turkey with a 375H&H


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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2018, 06:50:49 PM »
In Texas we hunt turkey with a 375H&H


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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2018, 06:00:40 AM »
No , knucklehead shot one from about 20yds. Beak and feet were all that were left


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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2018, 08:50:21 AM »
No , knucklehead shot one from about 20yds. Beak and feet were all that were left


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That?s a good waste of turkey bacon..... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2018, 09:50:24 AM »
No , knucklehead shot one from about 20yds. Beak and feet were all that were left


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That?s a good waste of turkey bacon..... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2018, 10:15:56 AM »
No , knucklehead shot one from about 20yds. Beak and feet were all that were left


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That?s a good waste of turkey bacon..... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2018, 10:48:05 AM »
No , knucklehead shot one from about 20yds. Beak and feet were all that were left


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That?s a good waste of turkey bacon..... :rolleyes:

If he were actually shooting at a package of turkey bacon I would call that a public service!

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That?s a good waste of turkey bacon..... :rolleyes:

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Turkey isn't made from pig...

Well, it?s too early in the morning for me to tackle either one of you knuckleheads. More coffee I guess is the answer, if Ken responds I might as well just shoot me self...... :facepalm:
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Re: 224 Valkyrie
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2018, 01:21:21 PM »
Only hippies eat turkey bacon.  :)
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