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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #850 on: January 21, 2019, 02:11:01 PM »
& Tate was claiming they had axle issues.....

I thought these things had AAM units in them???

Not sure, just recall him mentioning the Cummins powered nissans were prone for axle issues
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #851 on: January 21, 2019, 07:52:58 PM »
Sure is starting to look like an oil change Chief. Please don’t fire me


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i was quietly thinking the same thing..
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #852 on: January 21, 2019, 07:58:07 PM »
I think you people have junked this thread up enough, so I'll get part 2 started. You all can continue to debate the issues of whatever you are talking about that, like usual, has nothing to do with what I created this thread for. Maybe I'll lock out boneheads on part 2, but then, how could I distinguish and sort through to find Ken and the one other guy who actually contributes??? ;-))
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #853 on: January 22, 2019, 12:44:05 AM »
Prices of new SUVs are insane. Sadly, Duramax, or any other diesel trucks, have become a status symbol for a whole other type of people. Saw an example today. New Duramax Denali (still had temp tags), leveled, 35”ish Toyo‘s, hooked to a 10’ trailer loaded with a 2019 Polaris Ranger. Ranger was limited edition browning camo, lifted, arched a-arms, and 30” tires. Guy tried for what seemed like 10 minutes to back out of a nearly straight driveway. Pretty sure he put the trailer into the rear bumper not once, but twice. Easily had $80k into that setup but couldn’t back it thirty feet without creating an insurance claim.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #854 on: January 22, 2019, 12:58:08 AM »
Think 80 is the low side. I saw 2019s at the sportsman show this weekend in the 20s alone! Add a trailer, mod the ranger and the Denali mods.

OK, Back to thread  :facepalm:

Don, don't discount the 9.5aam on this unless you plan on big towing or hard use. The 9.5 has been used for Dmax conversions on a few trucks and has some stout axles!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #855 on: January 22, 2019, 07:53:01 AM »
Prices of new SUVs are insane. Sadly, Duramax, or any other diesel trucks, have become a status symbol for a whole other type of people. Saw an example today. New Duramax Denali (still had temp tags), leveled, 35”ish Toyo‘s, hooked to a 10’ trailer loaded with a 2019 Polaris Ranger. Ranger was limited edition browning camo, lifted, arched a-arms, and 30” tires. Guy tried for what seemed like 10 minutes to back out of a nearly straight driveway. Pretty sure he put the trailer into the rear bumper not once, but twice. Easily had $80k into that setup but couldn’t back it thirty feet without creating an insurance claim.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #856 on: January 22, 2019, 08:17:54 AM »
And that my friends is why the Ford has that moron knob in the dash....


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #857 on: January 22, 2019, 08:53:11 AM »
And that my friends is why the Ford has that moron knob in the dash....


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My f150 had that, guess I was too dumb to use it.....
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #858 on: January 22, 2019, 09:44:56 AM »
Think 80 is the low side. I saw 2019s at the sportsman show this weekend in the 20s alone! Add a trailer, mod the ranger and the Denali mods.

OK, Back to thread  :facepalm:

Don, don't discount the 9.5aam on this unless you plan on big towing or hard use. The 9.5 has been used for Dmax conversions on a few trucks and has some stout axles!
I need words of encouragement on this 9.5
I had one in the H2, but only wheeled with it, never towed or pushed it.
Worried about locking it up and snapping an axle
Otherwise, adding a mini-locker to it would solve a lot of problems.
Now having said that, I added one of those power-trax to a toyota diff in my tundra and grenaded the thing pulling into my driveway! So the trust isn't quite there. But, the Toy differential in that year looks like a bush hog gearbox, really small and the 9.5-10.5 diffs are a world stronger and larger.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #859 on: January 22, 2019, 04:06:23 PM »
& Tate was claiming they had axle issues.....

I thought these things had AAM units in them???

The newer ones have beefed up their diffs, but the older ones were trash. Same diff as a jeep wrangler but with an extra 2200lbs saddled on it does not breed good results.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #860 on: January 22, 2019, 05:01:03 PM »
Did he just compare a gm axle to that of a Jeep?  :popcorn:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #861 on: January 22, 2019, 05:32:19 PM »
No, I compared the titan M226 wannabe dana 44 rubicon housing to that of a jeep. the new diesel titan has got something closer to that of an 11.5 aam, but of course, metric, new, and not a lot of info for them.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #862 on: January 22, 2019, 06:14:40 PM »
& Tate was claiming they had axle issues.....

I thought these things had AAM units in them???

The newer ones have beefed up their diffs, but the older ones were trash. Same diff as a jeep wrangler but with an extra 2200lbs saddled on it does not breed good results.

Define older please?

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #863 on: January 22, 2019, 06:15:43 PM »
No, I compared the titan M226 wannabe dana 44 rubicon housing to that of a jeep. the new diesel titan has got something closer to that of an 11.5 aam, but of course, metric, new, and not a lot of info for them.

I think Yukon should buy one of the Cummins powered imports and take it all apart and let us know what you find!

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #864 on: January 22, 2019, 08:31:44 PM »
Don, I wouldn't worry until it breaks. For anecdotal reference only, I have a couple fleet accounts with a few of those SMs in their vans... super overloaded, well north of 200k miles. We lost some carrier bearings on one because it lost fluid, but the rest are original that I can remember. Now don't get me wrong, they have plenty of slop and are underpowered, but the weight and age says something.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #865 on: January 23, 2019, 10:49:51 AM »
& Tate was claiming they had axle issues.....

I thought these things had AAM units in them???

The newer ones have beefed up their diffs, but the older ones were trash. Same diff as a jeep wrangler but with an extra 2200lbs saddled on it does not breed good results.

Define older please?

2016 and older used the metric 226mm, which is essentially the same modified dana 44 32 spline that the JK, ('07-'18) wrangler rubicon used, and the ones with the electric lockers are a variation on the same Rubicon locker. For the weight of the vehicle and what the owners tend to put them through I see a lot of failures, and up until recently when we started producing parts for them your only recourse for a damaged ring and pinion for example was a $3500 new axle housing assembly from the dealer as they buy them whole from dana overseas for these. we've had them in the shop for the 2017+ versions and with the diesel, but with captive part numbers between aam and Nissan they're tough to get started in any mass production sense of the word.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 Build Thread, Part 1
« Reply #866 on: January 23, 2019, 10:57:56 AM »
Sounds like a solid warning right there

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