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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 24, 2020, 09:19:04 PM »
Shouldn't it be forward of the axle a little? Wouldn't you need a little weight transfer and on a steep hill the CL would be behind the CL if centered, not good.

Axle CL seems the way to go.

i agree. plus is helps push some weight on the front axle too. somewhat. not trying to pick it up from the back.

it may not ever get used but i want it to be there and capable lol. i mean why else put 7-800ft lbs in a truck and never hook to it?

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 24, 2020, 09:01:28 PM »
Just measured my '12 gmc w/B&W, 6.5' box. The center of the goose is about 5" forward of the center of the wheel wells, 35" from the front of the bed.

how far is the balk from the bed corner? i’ll have to measure how far it is from the front of the bed. i’d guess somewhere in the 30-32” range? i think i’m 4’ from the back of the bed. and these are truly 6’6” beds. i think the newer ones (at least my f250) is 6’9” maybe..?

either way.. i guess i’m pretty close to being ‘right’ (with the manufacturer lol)

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 24, 2020, 06:56:52 PM »
Square Body

ahh. right. of course. lol. does anyone else here have a gooseneck hitch in a truck? i guess i should have asked before drilling holes in frames.. but the ball looks to be 4-5” forward of axle centerline. any issues with that? i think i’m ~5’ from the bed corner to ball and i think most goosenecks are at least 6’ to the front..

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 24, 2020, 06:24:30 PM »
Seems like many of us like SB,,,,,,,,,

SB..?

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 24, 2020, 11:51:47 AM »
y’all are hilarious.

i talked to the machine shop guy. he’s doing 4 1/2x20 fine thread holes tapped all the way though. 1 1/2” grade 8 bolt has a single shear of 22k lbs. the threads will be deeper than the supplied nut from B&W and the grade 8s are stronger than the supplied carriage bolts as well (supplied were 1/2” coarse thread grade 5 [i believe] with a nut and washer)

but y’all are probably right.. i think that the frame will be the weak point in this whole deal. which i’m ok with. can’t do much about that..

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 24, 2020, 07:23:26 AM »
I don't like the panhead idea, nor the tapping holes idea.
Maybe weld some other brackets on the sides?

what are your concerns with the ideas?

if it helps, the areas to be tapped/machined are 5/8”-11/16” of material. 1/4” plate of the main the body with 3/8”-7/16” plate welded to the corners where the bolts pass


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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 23, 2020, 07:27:42 PM »
That way heavier than mine from DIY. I just use the stock holes (4), no template.

he’s got an HD version for factory location. the 4 holes at the front will small pilot hole are for ‘factory’ location for doing a 4wd conversion. i just decided to do 52” for a better ride.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 23, 2020, 06:41:18 PM »
front upper shackle hangers (FUSH) installed.

was a really straight forward install. kit was complete and very easy to use. nearly fool proof.

started by cutting the rivet heads off the front cab mounts and clean off wheeled down to the frame. drove the the rivets out alittle and then pried the mount off. the bolted the template in to place and drilled the 1/4” pilot hole



took it off and drilled a 1.75” hole in the frame. then sand drummed the hole to 1.875” to put the bracket in/on



bolted the cab mount on the other side and put the FUSH inside with provided hardware.



pushed bushings in and hung the boomerang shackles on with ARP hardware.



rinse and repeat



52” swap FUSH installed



gooseneck plate located. 1/4” pilot holes drilled through plate and frame. it’s pushed as far back as it can be without hitting the under bed stringer in this location



now.. question:

the B&W install for this C/K model truck called for holes to be drilled through the bed and into the plate from the top. basically the bottom of the bed sits on the top of the gray plate. but i don’t want 4 more holes than needed in my bed. so.. my thought is: drill the plate to 1/2” diameter. countersink a bevel and use a grade 8 pan head machine screw/bolt to sit flush with the top of the gray plate and under the bed completely. or.. tap the hole to 1/2” threads and bolt it in from the bottom.

thoughts?

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 22, 2020, 10:29:47 PM »
that’s awesome. and aggravating. how much of the ford case are you using? just front and rear output? getting a new 29 spline input i take it.
Everything except the case, speedometer drive (plastic...mine's metal) and input.. that came in the adapter kit.... that I had to bore the case for.
JR, I'm running a CV in the front driveline. It has threaded caps. If I have to replace it I'll go to a ubolt setup, or maybe a flange style.

The 29 spline input is still wrapped up in this pic.

very nice.

are the drive gears the same? (same groove count) that’s definitely something to consider as well as for tuning the speedo.

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 22, 2020, 09:14:05 PM »
i think the chevy and dodge case that i’ve gotten in to lately both had threads in the yoke and not pass through holes like yours. so that must be a year thing.

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 22, 2020, 09:08:38 PM »
that’s awesome. and aggravating. how much of the ford case are you using? just front and rear output? getting a new 29 spline input i take it.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 22, 2020, 01:33:00 PM »
holes drilled and make shift hardware holding it in place. just went and bought all new graded bolts to hold it in place after powder. i think it turned out nicely


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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 22, 2020, 01:30:38 PM »
i saw the 10 spline input and was going to ask if you were just adapting it or going to bore and put 29 spline in. it sure is turning out nice. wish i had a milling machine i have to run my stuff down to a machine shop buddy. but it’s always cool to see what he has going on down there too. sounds like it shouldn’t be too much longer before you’re motoring down the road in a newly swapped K truck. exciting times for sure!

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 20, 2020, 06:05:36 AM »
Come on Seth, you painted one that color...2 tone iirc.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.

i really do dig the color.

this whole build just oozes cool. clean. simple. to the point.

going to be one slick 1 ton when you get the 60 cleaned up and gone through. as it should have been from the factory. (while i liked my 1st gen cummins.. the square body chevy just looked better all the way around..)

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:19:43 PM »
....then 2 new holes drilled for the adapter. Once that was accomplished, it was sprayed with beige.

we said no beige!! it’s only 50% likely to run now!! hahah

but.. i gotta admit. does look good.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 17, 2020, 09:48:50 PM »
welds are about 1/2 way done and cleaned up.



front core support/spring brackets clamped in place.



only 1 hole lines up  :shocked:



all good though. i’ll drill them out. and make a large plate for the back to act as a washer/cover for the older holes.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 17, 2020, 02:40:02 PM »
ahh. i gotcha. well.. i’m sure it can be sorted out

received a package in the mail today.









not my work.. but look at that tig skill. amazing.

i can’t wait to get it coated and bolted in to place.

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 17, 2020, 06:37:40 AM »
why water to air? limited space in the ‘73-‘80 core support? i’ve heard they’re smaller burb ever seen one first had to know for sure. where will the reservoir be? does it continuously flow?

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 09:00:09 PM »
When I last looked, they were going for in the $250 area for the tach option setup. Got mine for $100 way back.
I converted mine into a tach. Iirc, it was from an 80s Camaro. Not going to work now.

what’s not going to work..?

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:45:04 PM »
When I last looked, they were going for in the $250 area for the tach option setup. Got mine for $100 way back.

ohh man. that would be great. just about cover the engine mounts or trans mount for the LBZ/allison


i’ve heard back from another friend of mine who has a crew and all the ‘flat’ spots on the frame are all within .5° of each other. so i’m good to go from here on i think.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 02:48:36 PM »
If you go with the Dakota, that stock dash will fetch a nice penny.

Still have one for my Sub, but need to figure the tach drive out.

what’s a reasonable price for it?

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 01:31:01 PM »
Looks good, looks like you have the full tach dash to. Getting hard to find.

yessir. that’ll go away with the dakota digital dash that’s going in with the LBZ

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 01:11:18 PM »
It's welded? Might have to start shimming.
I remember having a similar issue when I body swapped my 73. I think I had to shim the core support but honestly don't remember the details.

Still need measurements? Anything I can get with the bodys still in place?

just angles of the main section under to cab and the tail end of the frame just before the bumper. doesn’t need to be level.. just need to know if they’re in the same plane (if that makes sense..)

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 10:10:42 AM »
I like. What are they asking?


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way high. thanks to mecum and barrett jackson. lol. but it is a really cool and rare truck.

that being said. 6800 for basically the shell and frame. would obviously need 8 lug conversion and engine/trans. new rear axle. but all i see when i look at it is COOL!

also, i ive hit a snag on the rear tank swap. i believe the 10 series and blazer/burb trucks all had shocks outboard of the frame. mine are inboard. does anyone see an issue with moving the shocks outboard? between frame and leaf springs. i think i can source the mounting tab from either my dads old junk K5 or scrap yard. and then just get some nice clean weld on tabs for the axle. can anyone with a burb get some measurements of the tank itself and where exactly it sits?


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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 08:58:20 AM »
and of course this just popped up close by me.

im really tempted to figure out how to pick this up..




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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 16, 2020, 07:49:29 AM »
rolled her outside for the first time.



then started pulling stuff off. doors and glass are completely removed.



if you look at the side shot, it looks like the bed is alittle downhill. but i think what’s going on is the cab body mounts are deteriorated some up front and causing it to look like it’s ‘bent’ some.

we measured the frame after chopping it down and the section under the cab is parallel to the very rear section of frame behind where the spring hangers mount. and it’s < 1/16” cross taping from front bed bolt hole to rear bed bolt hole.

could anyone else with a c/k series truck confirm the parallel frame sections for me? (bottom of main section under cab, top of frame over the axle, and bottom of rear section of frame behind spring hanger. all of mine are parallel)

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 15, 2020, 10:38:01 AM »
is that an external voltage regulator?

if so, i’d scrap it and go with transpo internal 1 wire regulator for the 2nd gen alt. just requires 12 volt switched to start charging. been on the kaiser for ~4k miles and even more idle time with no issue.

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Build Threads / Re: Excursion Cummins Build for the Mrs.
« on: February 15, 2020, 10:31:32 AM »
my dad has 4k GSK in his. go ahead and do it now so you won’t have to later. he can regularly run it up to 2500-2700 with zero issue or even the slightest hesitation or defueling. and the thing revs faster  than a SBC. you can always have it and not use it, but if it’s not there.. it’s not even an option  :grin:

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 13, 2020, 02:43:04 PM »
One more time for the guys lacking an imagination. :)

Guess I made it public. The comments should be fun.

http://imgur.com/gallery/ZUHZzCE

more better

‘all engines are 12 bolt’  :facepalm:

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 13, 2020, 07:02:38 AM »
vid gots no sound  :shocked:

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 12, 2020, 09:29:59 PM »
ohh man.. so it runs and drives on off road diesel huh?!

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Build Threads / Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« on: February 12, 2020, 11:41:08 AM »
I sure like the 4.56 with 35s, hope I don't loose much with 37s, but you have those and like em too.

since i was ignored on tank size i feel ok DOT’ing this. you have 4.56 and 35s in the LBZ? i was hoping for 4.10 and 35-37s on the 3+3. think i’ll be too far out of range on the 6 speed allison?

i just think lots of modern ‘truck builders’ are running 35-37s on factory 3.73 gears..

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 12, 2020, 11:16:45 AM »
thanks everyone.

and yes, would have been awesome. this is going to be a crew cab short bed 4wd 1 ton running gear ‘89 3+3. took just 9 calendar days from pulling it in the shop to having it ‘roughly’ done. hah

still needs considerable clean up and reinforcement. but should be good to get 4wd swap stuff on there next week (scheduled delivery is monday..)

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 12, 2020, 05:50:20 AM »
got alittle done last night. just temporary fitting to make sure we did it right. hahah









had to set the turnover ball plate on to see what it looked like



just have to clean up the welds some more and get alittle bit of reinforcement done on the inside.

thinking of through bolting some 5” x 1/4” plate on either side with graded hardware. thoughts??

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Build Threads / Re: M715.9
« on: February 11, 2020, 11:06:54 AM »
all ‘99 dodge master and slave. bolted right up. all that’s left is a little bracket to hold reservoir under the hood. temporary zip tied to brake master cylinder

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Build Threads / Re: M715.9
« on: February 11, 2020, 07:57:53 AM »
my dad finally got the trans cross member built and installed. clears the drive shaft and is still pretty clean looking i’d say.








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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 10, 2020, 05:42:03 AM »
Also received some beautiful GLO plastic diff covers, with horrible welds, and Bernie stickers on the inside.

 Okay, only one of those is true...

One of them is for the future D60 I have yet to rebuild. Now I have a good reason to do so.

Should give me time to send them to Don for a super paint job. On second thought, he has a history with diff covers. No offense boss...
I heard that!

Funny, know what I didn’t hear? A 12v running.....  :tongue:

i’m ducking for cover bc there are definitely shots being fired hahah

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 09:18:50 PM »
Think you need all the room in the rear. Can't you just cut the center?

no sir. gotta cut the back too. short bed is 6’6” long. long bed is 8’. 14” from center leaves around 4” that has to be had from somewhere. from what i can tell, different year model long beds require different lengths to be removed from the back. some are ~2”. some as much as ~5” if i’m not mistaken.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 08:55:38 PM »






tentative cut marks for the short bed swap


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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 07:42:54 PM »
Cool, factory is always better for fuel tanks.

Found this for 40 gallon tank, had mine all the way back.

https://youtu.be/lppl_ONgzLA

going to explore this for sure. can’t wait to get to that point.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 07:10:36 PM »
You're sure the longer tanks won't fit?

yessir. 14” coming out of the frame. and there’s a cab mount right in front of where the long bed tanks currently sit. and a channel in the middle of the tank that goes under a cross member on the body if i’m not mistaken.

biggest thing is the cab mount 1” in front of the front the tank.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 06:57:00 PM »
not sure exactly how thick it is. but i want to say it’s shy of 1/4”. but def not .180

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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 06:55:12 PM »
i just pulled mine! hahaha
Well that's dumb,  put it back in !!

they were empty and rusted inside. and too long for the short bed  :grin:

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 06:42:30 PM »
pretty clean frame



no tanks, brake lines, fuel lines or wiring


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Build Threads / Re: 12v Cummins Swap/'73 GMC 2500
« on: February 09, 2020, 06:41:27 PM »
i just pulled mine! hahaha

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 07, 2020, 09:25:33 AM »
Worried about losing your chains?

;)

hahah. it’s a friend of mines setup. he actually pulled for motor without me. i’m on a trip to VA in the pete at the moment.

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Build Threads / Re: 3+3 2500
« on: February 07, 2020, 06:36:07 AM »



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D.O.T. / Re: WDYDT (What Did You Do Today)
« on: February 06, 2020, 08:24:37 PM »
can’t wait to get the motor back home. going to be cool to have another cummins sitting around, purring away once there’s a radiator hooked up to it.

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Build Threads / Re: Excursion Cummins Build for the Mrs.
« on: February 06, 2020, 07:55:43 PM »
thanks to all y’all  :knucklehead: ‘s the man is going to have to start ANOTHER build thread for this truck.

at the rate he’s having to think of new names for the headline, he’s losing steam and it’ll be sq d all over again! hahaha.

for his sake and the wife’s, leave the man be and let’s enjoy a speedy, single thread build of an awesome overlander  :beercheers:

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D.O.T. / Re: WDYDT (What Did You Do Today)
« on: February 05, 2020, 07:05:33 PM »
got the cummins engine stand media blasted and painted the other day. i think i’m getting (for a customer) a ppump 8 valve (yes.. you heard correctly, now use that mush between your ears and do some rithmatic) soon. going to go through it and see what we can get out of her. thinking KDP, GSK, fuel plate, HX35, maybe injectors, valve springs and timing adjusted.






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