Author Topic: Hide/bugout site build thread Part 1 (Read 196746 times)

Flyin6 · « **Reply #700 on:** February 20, 2016, 05:26:03 PM »

These colors are the same as the shed building that is being constructed

Magnets hold the upper door closed while a weather seal strip holds the bottom door closed when the upper door is closed

Flyin6 · « **Reply #701 on:** February 20, 2016, 05:29:26 PM »

The inside of the doors received several coats of semi gloss Urethane, with a sanding before each coat. The inside of the doors have that classic knotty pine look.

I had to cut away part of the shelf to unshroud the latch that you can use to lock both doors together or sit (literally) with the top door open thereby always maintain a good field of fire!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #702 on:** February 20, 2016, 05:30:54 PM »

Next I installed the inside door latch. A simple arrangement using an identical latch affixed to a block of wood, which inserts into the door frame itself

Flyin6 · « **Reply #703 on:** February 20, 2016, 05:33:43 PM »

I failed to snap a pic, but next I trimmed out the inside of the door with a 2X4 cut to fit. That serves as a positive stop, to which I will add foam weather seal. The concept here is bug proofing the enclosure so nothing starts crawling across your smile while conducting operations :o

But here's a shot of both doors done, and ready to move to the vent pipe install

stlaser · « **Reply #704 on:** February 20, 2016, 05:43:14 PM »

I like the 2 piece door, nice touch. Keep a rifle in there & you may be able to take care of some pesky vermin while doing your other business.....

Flyin6 · « **Reply #705 on:** February 20, 2016, 06:38:05 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on February 20, 2016, 05:43:14 PM

I like the 2 piece door, nice touch. Keep a rifle in there & you may be able to take care of some pesky vermin while doing your other business.....

We don't have muslims in that part of the Kintucky!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #706 on:** February 21, 2016, 08:42:11 PM »

So, I just chatted with Mike about the Shed construction.

He is really going overboard and doing a great job with this building he is putting together.

Standard floor loading for your house and mine is 30 psf. Mike decided early on to build my floor to hold 60 psf, 200% the standard requirement. Speaking to him just now, he was concerned with making it super strong, actually he was calling it a fort! To get to the 60 psf rating he had increased his floor joists all the way up to 2 X 10's. But I guess that wasn't good enough for even him! He said he build some of the walls and the floor already and he ended up using 2 X 12 joists on 16" centers!

Whoa, that's going to be one stout building. I will have no problem creating a work space, a storage space, and that small living space when I add in the second floor.

What a great guy! Anyone in this part of the A O who doesn't get this man to build your shed would have to have his head examined!

We probably won't be able to get in there this week again. It was like a soup sandwich on Saturday, and we had more rain today. I'd say it will take a week to dry out that place enough to get 2-3 days of solid work. That's about all he will need to get the thing up. He even has two of the walls built and painted already...He moves quick. He said he'd send some pics tomorrow of the shed pieces parts. I'll post them up when I get them

Flyin6 · « **Reply #707 on:** February 24, 2016, 09:55:54 PM »

He has both end walls built, and here you can see all the 2 X 12 floor joists cut and stacked. One end will have an 8 foot wide double door. Here one is in construction. Mike prepaints the panels and trim which makes for a pretty nice finished appearance.

cj7ox · « **Reply #708 on:** February 25, 2016, 11:50:08 AM »

Looking good!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #709 on:** February 28, 2016, 07:09:06 PM »

After church today put in two hours on the Privy. It's so close to being done!

Installed the vent pipe. That's incase I have any grunts visiting who had to. ah, well, grunt!

I think this will fulfil the mission!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #710 on:** February 28, 2016, 07:09:45 PM »

Then I cut in that last shelf

Flyin6 · « **Reply #711 on:** February 28, 2016, 07:14:44 PM »

Then I finished covering over the last remaining Christmas Red I had started with.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #712 on:** February 28, 2016, 07:17:53 PM »

I missed a couple spots with the new colors it would appear!

I slid in some foam door seal to try to keep out the bugs. I'll probably lay down a liberal base of DDT to kill everything I don't like and keep the liberals away. but if some hybrid bug some Marine brought back from those nasty lands of Islam, well the foam will foil em' I hope!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #713 on:** February 28, 2016, 07:32:50 PM »

On a sort of related subject, I plan to move the camper to the farm this Tuesday, Lord Willing!

I have been kitting it out. Today I finally mounted that 30W solar cell that will keep the battery charged

stlaser · « **Reply #714 on:** February 28, 2016, 07:59:44 PM »

Busy, busy & more busy

Flyin6 · « **Reply #715 on:** March 03, 2016, 02:19:30 PM »

Rafters are done

Just waiting on good weather to stick it in the ground

JR · « **Reply #716 on:** March 03, 2016, 04:52:04 PM »

So bunks on the sides with a little walkway down the center?

Flyin6 · « **Reply #717 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:32:15 PM »

Quote from: JR on March 03, 2016, 04:52:04 PM

So bunks on the sides with a little walkway down the center?

Bunks tucked in with a short wall to provide storage space.

And, maybe in the future, I'd like to rip out part of the roof and add in two dormers with windows. However, that is only if I see the time frame to get the cabin up stretching well into the future, but really, it shouldn't be that long considering the low cost of post and beam building.

I think I'll drop the floor 4" to give more head room up there. I won't need a full 8' ceiling. So if I take the 10" joist and drop it 4", taking 13.5"" out of it leaves me 6' 10.5" of head room remaining, plenty for a workshop!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #718 on:** March 05, 2016, 05:31:27 PM »

Several things to report today.

First I am considering adding two feet to the height of the building. Since most of the front and back walls are not completed we could substitute 10' 2 X 4's in there to add the extra height to the second floor. I am thinking if I want a ton more utility and possible growth space up there, then that two feet height buys me nearly the whole floor as useful space for kids and furniture. If we can get it done for $500 I think I'll go for it

Second, the rain continues. More today. We are not seeing more than two days in a row without rainfall. So the road to the place is a soup sandwich and pretty much unusable. This will pay dividends down the road (Get it:Down the road??) to severely limit traffic and curiosity seekers, however in the short term it is mucking up my plans something fierce. We are now looking at another delay in starting the building and the forecast has 6-8 more days of rain coming which will wipe out this week and likely part of next. We could easily be into the third week in march before punching the first hole in the ground.

Speaking of holes, I am ready to dig the pit for the privy. It is almost done and almost ready to carry down there as well.

Finally, the camper is in standby mode, also limited by the poor condition of the road. That place is going to transition to nearly nothing to having the camper and two structures and electricity and living space in the short span of a week or so. I can't wait. It is the foothold I need there from which expansion can take place.

JR · « **Reply #719 on:** March 05, 2016, 06:36:41 PM »

Get the height now you will never regret it and even the siding comes in in 10ft.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #720 on:** March 05, 2016, 07:43:58 PM »

Quote from: JR on March 05, 2016, 06:36:41 PM

Get the height now you will never regret it and even the siding comes in in 10ft.

Yea that's a problem as he ordered all the materials on day one. He buys those pallets full of 2 X 4's so asking him to extend the walls might put Mike is a bad spot, something I will not do.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #721 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:13:54 PM »

What a day! Worked at the farm all day along with The guys putting up the "Shed"

Unfortunately for them they took a dually with street tires way past the build site to the "Bottom" of my place which is a mud bog. Well, it took over an hour to try to pull that truck out with the tractor. Finally we just started downloading the materials into the loader bucket and I sortied everything to from the trailer to at least get the supplies to the site. After the trailer was several thousand pounds lighter, I was able to tug it free and pulled it back up the hill to the house site.

I bush hogged and helped a little, but the build show was all them, and they both work fast and do a really good job.

I also towed the camper down there today so all of a sudden all sorts of things are showing up

Dawg25385 · « **Reply #722 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:21:59 PM »

Put that locker and those new M/T's to work dragging that camper up there too!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #723 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:36:03 PM »

Quote from: Dawg25385 on March 07, 2016, 07:21:59 PM

Put that locker and those new M/T's to work dragging that camper up there too!

Sure did. That truck didn't even start to get stuck. One part of the "Road" is up hill and narrow for maybe 75 meters. The truck was spinning all its tires but making forward progress. The camper rutted the road to the depth of the tires!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #724 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:36:57 PM »

After the recovery operations, the tractor was carrying all kinds of mud!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #725 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:38:58 PM »

While I was down the hill trying to pull out the truck, Ranger decided to claw up three of my four doors trying to get back inside I'm guessing...Man, I hope that buffs out!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #726 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:40:47 PM »

They laid the thing out, then started punching holes into the rocky ground

Flyin6 · « **Reply #727 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:41:59 PM »

This guy showed up to check out how things were going, and to scout for turkey.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #728 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:44:51 PM »

Corner posts are in and concreted. The irregular hole is an auger punched hole, then the larger hole required to remove the stone!
Those 2 X 12 joists are huge!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #729 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:46:23 PM »

Once I got the truck pulled out and repositioned, the work tempo increased.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #730 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:48:50 PM »

Starting to shape up, literally!

Size is 16 X 32, with 9 foot walls and a 12/12 pitch roof. I'll drop the second floor a little to get good usable space upstairs

Flyin6 · « **Reply #731 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:51:00 PM »

Deck is framed up and ready for sheeting. That will happen tomorrow along with some walls

Flyin6 · « **Reply #732 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:53:35 PM »

Duane and I repositioned the camper to it's temporary resting spot. Soon, after the shed gets dried in. I'll scrape a spot neat it level, spread some gravel about, then drag the camper to it's semi-permanent spot

Flyin6 · « **Reply #733 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:55:15 PM »

The front of the shed faces the existing house. I will add a bit of a porch on there in the not too distant future. On the back side, I'll add a shed roof to create a spot to park the tractor.

Dawg25385 · « **Reply #734 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:58:38 PM »

Ok i have to ask... not trying to be a wise-guy...

You got 2x12 joists, but then they are just lagging them into the posts? Wouldn't you want a beam spanning the posts, with the joists hanging off that? All your weight is going to be transferred to some carriage bolts presumably based on the pics..

I supposed it's a shed... not a house... prob fine...

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #735 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:03:44 PM »

What was the spacing on the posts in the ground, Boss?

Nate · « **Reply #736 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:04:32 PM »

Quote from: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:41:59 PM

This guy showed up to check out how things were going, and to scout for turkey.

talk about the grey ghost.........that may be a million dollar pic you have right there..........

JR · « **Reply #737 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:14:14 PM »

I agree. With, put hangers on those joists and use SDS bolts vs plain screws.. I would sister up the outer joist with a second story going in.

NIce size and good plan. Trailer looks lonely on the hill like that.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #738 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:19:41 PM »

Quote from: Dawg25385 on March 07, 2016, 07:58:38 PM

Ok i have to ask... not trying to be a wise-guy...

You got 2x12 joists, but then they are just lagging them into the posts? Wouldn't you want a beam spanning the posts, with the joists hanging off that? All your weight is going to be transferred to some carriage bolts presumably based on the pics..

I supposed it's a shed... not a house... prob fine...

Not lagged, nailed. With a lot of nails

It's fine. The longitudinal beams which are nailed to the posts are what the joists hook to, obviously.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #739 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:20:44 PM »

Quote from: TexasRedNeck on March 07, 2016, 08:03:44 PM

What was the spacing on the posts in the ground, Boss?

8 feet on center

Flyin6 · « **Reply #740 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:22:17 PM »

Quote from: JR on March 07, 2016, 08:14:14 PM

I agree. With, put hangers on those joists and use SDS bolts vs plain screws.. I would sister up the outer joist with a second story going in.

NIce size and good plan. Trailer looks lonely on the hill like that.

Like I stated earlier, they are just using nails. so I decided to come back with some tap-con type screws and add them in after these guys clear the A.O.

No need to do that JR. This thing only really needs 2 X 8 maybe, So a 2 X 10 would be overkill, but this thing has a 2 X 12. Remember the engineers have drawn it to more than double a standard home floor load. I'm no expert, but I think it is fine.

stlaser · « **Reply #741 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:32:57 PM »

1/2" X 5" lag screws galvanized with washers 2 per post min is my recommendation. I'm guessing the walls will be sitting on top of the posts on top of the sub floor but for $40 it's cheap insurance. Nails suck, small tap con style screws better & lags are best.

Edit: pre drill the holes for the lags & an electric impact comes in handy too

Dawg25385 · « **Reply #742 on:** March 07, 2016, 09:11:06 PM »

I'm chuckling myself just a little at the guy whose MO is mo steel mo metal mo betta, then settles for nailing a beam onto the posts rather than saddling or at least lagging...

But i'm not tryin' to ruffle your feathers... so that's the last i'll say about that!

stlaser · « **Reply #743 on:** March 07, 2016, 09:18:40 PM »

I'm honestly a little disappointed in the builder. He seems to do everything pretty heavy duty then to only nail the joists? Although from reading Dons thread it appears they don't normally use these posts but just sit them on blocks so for the benefit of the doubt maybe a learning curve there for them. Or the employees didn't ask & went rogue as they sometimes do.....

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #744 on:** March 07, 2016, 10:14:39 PM »

Just gonna leave those right here

Raising boys into RealMen!!

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #745 on:** March 07, 2016, 11:28:35 PM »

I also can't tell if the long side floor beams are doubled but with all the live load of the 12 inch floor joists being transferred to long side, I think its customary to double the beams on those sides for the joints to anchor into with joist hangers.

cudakidd53 · « **Reply #746 on:** March 07, 2016, 11:53:00 PM »

Okay, everyone stop poking the bear! You saw he had a visit from Sasquatch's father posing as a turkey hunter. The shed will be built all pretty and life will be good!

Besides, Don will get to thinking on the porch one day that the shed needs an oil change and he'll re-engineer it so ten of us DOT knuckle draggers can sit next to each other stuffing Nates cooking in our gullets without fear of breaking anything but our belts!

Looking good Don, glad to see its coming together!

BobbyB · « **Reply #747 on:** March 08, 2016, 02:29:10 AM »

Quote from: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:38:58 PM

While I was down the hill trying to pull out the truck, Ranger decided to claw up three of my four doors trying to get back inside I'm guessing...Man, I hope that buffs out!

That should easily buff out. Bear can and does frequently get into XJ via the open windows. Of course, XJ's paint isn't as nice as your's, but those scratches don't look that bad.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #748 on:** March 08, 2016, 07:34:19 AM »

Quote from: stlaser on March 07, 2016, 09:18:40 PM

I'm honestly a little disappointed in the builder. He seems to do everything pretty heavy duty then to only nail the joists? Although from reading Dons thread it appears they don't normally use these posts but just sit them on blocks so for the benefit of the doubt maybe a learning curve there for them. Or the employees didn't ask & went rogue as they sometimes do.....

I think that is it. He builds sheds on skids normally. He has built over 20,000! This is a bit out of the norm for him. However Mike builds nice stuff, has for decades and is known to stand behind his work..

I texted Mike about your concerns. He just replied, Lag bolts are going in today!

On the single band board...Ya know, again, I am no engineer, however a 2 X 12 supported every eight feet is pretty stout. Looking at the foundation of my and other houses, yea, I see doubled up lumber but those are 2 X 10's, right?

KensAuto · « **Reply #749 on:** March 08, 2016, 09:44:37 AM »

Quote from: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 07:34:19 AM

I texted Mike about your concerns. He just replied, Lag bolts are going in today!

I'm exited for you...awesome stuff!!!!!!
...Nails bad, lags great. Great call boss (and Colorado). In a perfect world, even though it's just a (huge) shed, the floor section would be on top of the posts, but it should be ok as long as you don't keep adding on. :) ...I won't even bring up "pressure treated....."
Looks like great views from the trailer!

...I think I would be less one dog if that happened to my truck!