Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2016, 08:48:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1jCOkyuzCs
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2016, 08:52:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2AGwrcqGXE
Different physical standards for men and women have always been around. However those meeting the lower standard weren't lining up next to soldiers like Bobby and Blaine either...
Post by: stlaser on March 31, 2016, 08:59:46 AM
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2016, 09:06:33 AM
I think this is less about "women's equal rights" & more about the feminization of men. In order for the powers that be to over throw us as a nation they must get rid of real men. They are and have been playing the long game for years.Clever observation my rocky mountain friend!
I see it everywhere.
This past winter, Ranger bit a neighbors dog.
There was some flap, I did all the corrective stuff, but one day I got into an argument with one of the liberal neighbors. He told me a lot of people have a problem with me. I asked why had none of them come forward? He said it was because I was so intimidating!
Me?? Intimidating?
Oh he must be referring to the fact that I say what I mean...that i call stupidity and evil what it is...That I love Jesus and God...that I stand up for my family...and generally speaking, I try to carry myself like a man (Sometimes much to the chagrin of my wife)
I told him, "Well if a man lacks the courage to even approach me, then there is no problem. I won't consider anything that some spineless woman/man says behind my back" Thereafter there was an uproar, all gossip of course, that I, the Association president, called the men in the community spineless.
I have no time for womenized men...
Post by: OldKooT on March 31, 2016, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
I was going to type something, but Don scared me =PMan!
It's happening here too!
:-)
Post by: Wilbur on March 31, 2016, 04:46:18 PM
Don I am with you- I don't answer to neighbors, I answer to myself and my family. And if that means that I p**s off some jerk who is too limp wristed to ask me why I did something, well so be it. I sleep soundly with a clear conscience.
Post by: cj7ox on March 31, 2016, 04:52:10 PM
During my last deployment to Iraq, we had women assigned to our Cav Troops. I sat them all down on day one, and explained that there was only one standard in my Troop. I told them they would be going outside the wire on missions, and because of that, they were going to have to catch up with the rest of the troops on training. A few had some chin quivers, but they all buckled down and performed. My male Soldiers were skeptical at first, but with in a few weeks in country they were fully integrated, and had the respect of the guys. The other Troops in our Squadron treated their females with kid gloves, had them doing clerk work and CQ duties rather than training. Those Troops had a lot of problems that mine didn't. The key is enforcing the standards and treating all Soldiers the same.
Post by: Wilbur on March 31, 2016, 05:34:43 PM
Post by: cj7ox on March 31, 2016, 05:49:35 PM
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 31, 2016, 08:02:10 PM
So I'll settle for the toned down meme version
(http://troll.me/images/cartmaniaaaz/ey-get-over-here-and-make-me-some-pie.jpg)
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2016, 08:35:46 PM
Living at Ft Campbell and wearing that 160th combat patch, I'd get my share of attention from others wanting "in."
One girl, a real looker I kept running into. Started when she was a 2LT aviator, and continued through when she pinned LTC. Always wanted to be a Night Stalker. Was having a drink with her at the O Club at Camp Humphreys when she was a major and I was a W4. She was asking for my recommendation to go access. I told her no for the hundredth time and she got mad at me. I said "You think your good looks is going to matter over in my world?" So obviously you can tell that we knew each other well. Well when she got up to take a swing at me (Wasn't the first time!) I thought, well maybe, just maybe there is enough spunk in this one to actually make it.
But she cooled off, we remained friends and she didn't go. I've flown with females who could tuck a hook in tight to another one over the sea of Japan on a moonless night and I would have liked her being my wingman on a NVG overwater all-nighter. But what would happen when we hit the beach with #2 on fire? She gonna keep up with a seal team on the run? No way...Absolutely no way. That means we might have had to shoot her ourselves!
Regular Armee is one thing, but Spec ops is a whole different level to that ball game. I stand fast with my feelings "No women in special operations, and I am doubtful if they could hang with a tough unit through the whole mix.
The lie that is PC will always prevent equal treatment. No one has the courage to make it so, Therefore, women do not need to be in combat arms.
My opinion...
Post by: JR on March 31, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Even a stout female is not going to drag You or I as dead weight or carry the same load as you or I.
Plus you just cannot change natural instinct, the male will try to protect the female in some way no matter what the rules say.
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2016, 09:48:36 AM
Very well said Don. And is the norm, makes total sense.Correct!
Even a stout female is not going to drag You or I as dead weight or carry the same load as you or I.
Plus you just cannot change natural instinct, the male will try to protect the female in some way no matter what the rules say.
When I worked for BlackWater I learned quite a bit about Seal training. That organization is all Seals. They keep us NightStalkers around because someone has to fly their expensive choppers, and they do hire the occasional Ranger or SF guy. But from what I can see, the Armee folks are only there for the abuse and amusement of the Seals.
During the vetting period, it is really physical. One thing we had to do was drag a 175 lb dummy dressed out in full kit around. Grab it somewhere and drag it. You had to drag the thing 75 feet in a given length of time or you were deemed non deployable. I even saw some smaller Marines struggling with that dead weight, but we all did it. Actually as I recall, although I beat most folks in the bench press and the run, I failed the PT test. According to my Seal instructor, I never did a single correct pull-up. But since I was an aviator which they couldn't do without, I guess they applied this PC girly principle to me and passed me anyway!
Lucky for me in the five years of tactical fliggin I did in the stan and the Iraq, I never had to do any pull-ups to save my life or someone elses...Except the several thousand pull-ups I did on the collective of the heli-ca-peters I was chasing after.
Post by: cj7ox on April 01, 2016, 10:32:09 AM
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2016, 10:35:10 AM
I get what you're saying, Don. I just think they should be allowed to try out if they want to. It should not be dictated by politicos that women be equally spread throughout the force. A quota system would destroy our force, definitely. If they can meet the standard, then I have no issue. I've talked to a lot of women in the military over the years, and the vast majority recognize that the sexes are physically different and have different physiological strengths/weaknesses. The vast majority also has no desire to be combat arms, or special ops. There are a few who have been affected by the women's lib PC dipsticks, and those I just challenge to throw a ruck on their backs and keep up with me. I've yet to have one of those idiots except the challenge, BTW. Whatever our opinion on this topic, the one constant is that the standards for true warfighters must not be diminished. It takes certain physical strengths to be at the tip of the spear, and failing in that regard leads to unnecessary losses, and destroys our ability to win wars.We are saying the same thing!
Soldier on...CM
Post by: cj7ox on April 01, 2016, 10:36:52 AM
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2016, 10:43:04 AM
Great minds, and all that. Must be my being raised by a crusty old Warrant. ;)I now have sympathy for you...Same as ma' boyz... ;-)
Post by: cj7ox on April 01, 2016, 10:51:29 AM
LOL! Makes me a little different from most ossifers. I like to think it makes me better! :oGreat minds, and all that. Must be my being raised by a crusty old Warrant. ;)I now have sympathy for you...Same as ma' boyz... ;-)
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2016, 11:03:53 AM
LOL! Makes me a little different from most ossifers. I like to think it makes me better! :oGreat minds, and all that. Must be my being raised by a crusty old Warrant. ;)I now have sympathy for you...Same as ma' boyz... ;-)
Likely so!
I know that coming up through the enlisted ranks to Staff Sergeant, made me a much more aware Warrant Officer than the "High school to flight school" crowd. I don't think I was any better at the technical aspects of flying than them, but the "Boys" sure flocked to me over them. I saw problems I faced as a system that involved man, machine and task. I always heavily weighted the risk part...what NCO's do...
Therein lies the difference perhaps. One of the best commanders I ever served with, John Binkley, who had enlisted time led by example. He placed tasks ahead of us that weren't necessarily safe to do. He talked to me often. He said if you train them right, and when the time comes, let go and trust them, then every time, they will not disappoint, but will rise to the occasion. We had a 40 ship aviation company! Hear that? Forty as in four-zero aircraft with perhaps 250 personnel...in a company! For the three years I flew as a scout pilot in that organization, we had zero accidents. You see, no matter what it took, we would do nothing to disappoint that man, we loved him!
Post by: JR on April 01, 2016, 12:21:43 PM
And I agree, anyone can tryout.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 01, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
6'6" and about 360lb....
Post by: JR on April 01, 2016, 08:49:59 PM
Post by: OldKooT on April 01, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
Post by: JR on April 01, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2016, 09:26:49 PM
Men these days, and I use the term loosely...are more like women than I am comfortable with. Aren't most a bunch of Wusses? Or is it just me seeing it?
Post by: JR on April 01, 2016, 09:29:53 PM
Post by: cj7ox on April 01, 2016, 09:34:07 PM
Stones are great, but that doesn't move a 200lb comrade.But adrenalin can do wonders!
Post by: cj7ox on April 01, 2016, 09:35:26 PM
But I agree with Norm...You're not the only one who's made that observation. ZA would take care of that, though.
Men these days, and I use the term loosely...are more like women than I am comfortable with. Aren't most a bunch of Wusses? Or is it just me seeing it?
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 01, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
Just roll him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I didn't roll him but his boots left some deep ruts....
And yes, not many RM left. Maybe Trump's surge is a resurgence of manly men (not that I am a Trumpkin). More people seem willing to speak out now than in the recent past. We shall see
Post by: BobbyB on April 01, 2016, 10:32:14 PM
But adrenalin can do wonders!
Truth.
Post by: JR on April 01, 2016, 11:20:54 PM
Truth.
But not sustained.
Post by: BobbyB on April 02, 2016, 04:12:32 PM
But not sustained.
Objection
Post by: KensAuto on April 02, 2016, 06:21:49 PM
Post by: Nate on April 02, 2016, 06:44:32 PM
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 02, 2016, 06:58:19 PM
Post by: stlaser on April 02, 2016, 08:13:38 PM
what, tell Hillary.............
And the rumors spread like wildfire thru the dot camp.....
Post by: JR on April 02, 2016, 08:21:54 PM
Order in the court! One more word out of you 2 and I'll.....
Well, this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/2FB/smiley%20moon_zpsov01tyvu.jpg) (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/2FB/media/smiley%20moon_zpsov01tyvu.jpg.html)
Post by: KensAuto on April 02, 2016, 09:34:12 PM
Post by: fenriswolf039 on April 05, 2016, 10:06:43 AM
Let's face the facts here, and my wife will agree on this... men and women are NOT equal. Each exceeds the other in certain ways, and that's all there is to it.
Post by: EL TATE on April 05, 2016, 01:28:54 PM
Post by: Atkinsmatt on April 06, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Post by: JR on April 06, 2016, 11:03:28 AM
Now there are the exceptions, but rare.
Post by: OldKooT on April 06, 2016, 04:07:57 PM
Post by: JR on April 06, 2016, 04:10:26 PM
Post by: cj7ox on April 07, 2016, 07:15:33 PM
Kay was once a Army wife. I am sure the Army is relieved she is no longer there.Probably because she set the standard and held all the wives to it!
