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Re: OverLanding Camper Build
« Reply #1300 on: April 06, 2020, 08:55:00 PM »
Do I know we’ve covered this but keep an eye on those wheel bearings with that much offset.  They are designed for 0 offset


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I said to myself, someone right away is going to point out the offset thing!

Couple of points Tex

first of all the wheels are negative offset and the 2" spacer probably brought them to near their CG

Secondly with the bearing actually subjected to 2" positive offset, remember these are the much larger 8,000 pound 8-lug brakes/spindles/bearings and not the light or even medium duty stuff

Finally with all that bearing in there, the camper is not all that heavy

My concern is more to do with unwanted loosening of all those lug nuts.
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« Reply #1301 on: April 06, 2020, 10:24:58 PM »
I definitely got a bit of overspray on the floor!

A little is a bit of an understatement......
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« Reply #1302 on: April 06, 2020, 11:04:47 PM »
Looks like they filmed a slasher movie in that garage.


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« Reply #1303 on: April 07, 2020, 07:10:39 AM »
If you wet the floor the paint wont stick to it. Spray it down with a garden hose. When it all dries sweep up the paint.
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« Reply #1304 on: April 07, 2020, 08:58:53 AM »
If you wet the floor the paint wont stick to it. Spray it down with a garden hose. When it all dries sweep up the paint.
And there’s a guy who’s done this before.
And yeah a bit of an understatement.
Looks like a kill floor in a slaughterhouse.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #1305 on: April 07, 2020, 01:52:28 PM »
Don, are those true 2 piece spacers or just two spacers bolted together? Reason I ask is my guy makes legit 2 piece spacers that lock together.
Naw, just two of em torqued uber tttight togedder!

I never knew there were locking together spacers

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« Reply #1306 on: April 07, 2020, 01:53:35 PM »
Do I know we’ve covered this but keep an eye on those wheel bearings with that much offset.  They are designed for 0 offset


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Got a winner!

I said to myself, someone right away is going to point out the offset thing!

Couple of points Tex

first of all the wheels are negative offset and the 2" spacer probably brought them to near their CG

Secondly with the bearing actually subjected to 2" positive offset, remember these are the much larger 8,000 pound 8-lug brakes/spindles/bearings and not the light or even medium duty stuff

Finally with all that bearing in there, the camper is not all that heavy

My concern is more to do with unwanted loosening of all those lug nuts.
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« Reply #1307 on: April 07, 2020, 01:58:09 PM »
If you wet the floor the paint wont stick to it. Spray it down with a garden hose. When it all dries sweep up the paint.
And there’s a guy who’s done this before.
And yeah a bit of an understatement.
Looks like a kill floor in a slaughterhouse.
You should see my shoes!!

Were nice Merrills

But now, freshly painted M's

Pity

I'll be sad over the whole mess for a few seconds...

OK, it passed, back at it...
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« Reply #1308 on: April 07, 2020, 07:05:53 PM »
I moved the saw horses and placed the thing on jack stands which allowed me to get to the spots which had been covered and did not get primered. I touched those areas up with a rattle can acid etching primer
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« Reply #1309 on: April 07, 2020, 07:08:15 PM »
I used Raptor Liner this time, and I have to say, it sprayed out a little better and I got more area coverage than the similar product I used on the camper body

I started by doing the bottom and the hard to get areas
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« Reply #1310 on: April 07, 2020, 07:10:21 PM »
Then finished the areas above. I chased most of the trailer with a second coat, and even gave a third coat to the wheel well area, and the leading edges of the front diagonals
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« Reply #1311 on: April 07, 2020, 07:11:51 PM »
I think the front parts go about where I have them loosely located at the moment
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« Reply #1312 on: April 07, 2020, 08:05:32 PM »
Looks good chief.  What’s the story with the final tune on the burb?


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« Reply #1313 on: April 07, 2020, 09:11:28 PM »
Looks great. Looks professionally done.
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« Reply #1314 on: April 07, 2020, 11:29:12 PM »
Looks good chief.  What’s the story with the final tune on the burb?


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Nick worked on it today. He reports that the cold stumble is out of it. He was getting ready to adjust the transmission shift points around mid day, so I'm thinking that was completed.
It has an AC issue still. The AC unit switches on and delivers cold refrigerant to the evaporator, however that cold does not make it to the air to be distributed. I don't know if its the climate control motor or the BCM. I asked Nick to look into it

I didn't say before, but driving over to the shop I got on it for the first time. W H O A! That truck moves out, I mean it is pretty fast, surprisingly so. And I noted going up hills at 70Mph required very little throttle, and picking up from 70 to 75 to ease past a truck is effortless. You can feel the pulling potential of this thing. A trailer is not going to be a problem.

And then it exploded!

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« Reply #1315 on: April 07, 2020, 11:30:51 PM »
Looks great. Looks professionally done.
Thanks doctor Ken!

You gunna come up and see it in person if we can somehow put this trip together amid all this ruckus?
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« Reply #1316 on: April 08, 2020, 09:49:27 AM »
Looks great. Looks professionally done.
Thanks doctor Ken!

You gunna come up and see it in person if we can somehow put this trip together amid all this ruckus?
Trying to get a trip in to Idaho, to help dig 2000' of trench. Not sure if I can do both.
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« Reply #1317 on: April 08, 2020, 10:36:09 AM »
That’s a lot of dead bodies....


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« Reply #1318 on: April 09, 2020, 09:16:34 PM »
Front jack is attached now for the record
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« Reply #1319 on: April 09, 2020, 09:17:19 PM »
Back jacks as well
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« Reply #1320 on: April 09, 2020, 09:18:31 PM »
The wiring harness has been run and attached to the 7-way plug

The fish wire is there to drag the gas hose to the rear from the front mounted bottle
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« Reply #1321 on: April 09, 2020, 09:20:47 PM »
I plan to cut into the harness IVO the brakes to make that crucial connection.

The bundle will then attach to the camper back and enter into the cabin a few inches above the water tank
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« Reply #1322 on: April 09, 2020, 11:30:38 PM »
I’d make those connections inside some kind of watertight box and NOT use scotchlocks.  Heat shrink butt connectors are great for the connections at the brake drum.
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« Reply #1323 on: April 10, 2020, 01:56:32 AM »
Dang, just caught up on this after it was going into my spam.

Beautiful work so far, like to see how the upper attaches to the lower. Great the linear servos worked too.

4" inch spacers, well that was covered, I feel the same.

I hate the front trailer jack, just always hated those bolted on that way. Have it on my boat, hate it. 

This is really coming together nice and the burb runs too!!!!
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« Reply #1324 on: April 10, 2020, 08:31:45 AM »
I agree with you on the jack. I like the weld on mount better. https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Jack/Bulldog/BD178203.html

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« Reply #1325 on: April 10, 2020, 08:38:33 AM »
Agree, like the jack but dislike the mount. Fix that mo better boss!   :tongue:
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« Reply #1326 on: April 10, 2020, 09:12:55 AM »
Someone could steal it also, weld on seems more theft proof


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« Reply #1327 on: April 10, 2020, 11:23:26 AM »
Agree on the jack. Don't like the jack itself either. You won't get any sleep with the way that thing will wiggle.
Someone passes gas and you'll roll out of the bed... unless you also plan on putting some of those crank down jacks like someone else mentioned.

Not trying to be mean but the back ones are probably going to wiggle also, even though they look awesome.
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« Reply #1328 on: April 10, 2020, 11:29:27 AM »
Like others have said don’t just splice in the brakes.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/GRO821000

Something like these work well.
Personally I’d run a feed from the back forward to axles and not have a splice mid way.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #1329 on: April 10, 2020, 04:51:52 PM »
OK, nobody likes the front jack-Copy that!

But, I want to get this thing operational so for now, close your eyes!

I don't quite get what folks are saying about the junction box. I have a 6-foot connector/cable terminated into a watertight junction box. Then I crimped on terminal ends to the seven wires  and fastened them to the corresponding posts. Something wrong with all that?

Now, the connection to the brakes

I take it I need to insure I have a good connection, so solder that.

I haven't seen which wires actually connect to the brakes, have to figure that out, but I plan to split the casing of the cable above the brakes, then scrape away the insulation f the applicable wires, then solder on the wires branching out to the brakes. Sound good?
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« Reply #1330 on: April 10, 2020, 05:05:26 PM »
So I missed the junction box at the front.
I’d run a separate two conductor from there for the brakes.
Keep the sealed bundle sealed under the trailer.
I’m not a fan of splitting a perfectly sealed cable open unnecessarily.

That’s what I was getting at.
And yeah on the jack too. But it works.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #1331 on: April 10, 2020, 06:53:06 PM »
So I missed the junction box at the front.
I’d run a separate two conductor from there for the brakes.
Keep the sealed bundle sealed under the trailer.
I’m not a fan of splitting a perfectly sealed cable open unnecessarily.

That’s what I was getting at.
And yeah on the jack too. But it works.
I think I know another way
Purchase another junction box, then locate that on the frame above the brakes, then run the whole cable out the other end and the two wires needed, one for the e-brakes, and one for all the marker lights out one of the available ports...Check!
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« Reply #1332 on: April 10, 2020, 07:30:46 PM »
Yeah electrically speaking the shortest run is best. The rest is about weatherproofing. You aren’t building a Hilton. Jacks may be sub optimal but it’s not a 42ft fifth wheel with a wife that complains she has to have a king size bed....


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« Reply #1333 on: April 10, 2020, 08:30:51 PM »
Yeah electrically speaking the shortest run is best. The rest is about weatherproofing. You aren’t building a Hilton. Jacks may be sub optimal but it’s not a 42ft fifth wheel with a wife that complains she has to have a king size bed....


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« Reply #1334 on: April 10, 2020, 09:11:54 PM »
Yeah electrically speaking the shortest run is best. The rest is about weatherproofing. You aren’t building a Hilton. Jacks may be sub optimal but it’s not a 42ft fifth wheel with a wife that complains she has to have a king size bed....


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Yeah not saying that I have experience with that.  But I’m not saying I don’t either.


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« Reply #1335 on: April 10, 2020, 09:51:31 PM »
I like the second jbox idea back near the wheels. I also like to keep the wiring to each brake equal length so that the voltage drop is equal so one brake doesn’t grab harder than the other. Maybe I’m just overly anal about wiring...dunno.
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« Reply #1336 on: April 11, 2020, 03:53:17 AM »
Chief,

I went back and did a rough over view of how you got to where camper is.... That being said, I did not see a canvas solution (roof to body connection). I did see you ordered some marmi tent material, but that is all I saw. Good chance I missed your plan in my quick read through, but if you don't have a full solution yet, please give me a call we would like to try and help if we are able. Of course if I missed your solution just ignore this and continue mission.

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« Reply #1337 on: April 11, 2020, 10:15:58 AM »
Chief,

I went back and did a rough over view of how you got to where camper is.... That being said, I did not see a canvas solution (roof to body connection). I did see you ordered some marmi tent material, but that is all I saw. Good chance I missed your plan in my quick read through, but if you don't have a full solution yet, please give me a call we would like to try and help if we are able. Of course if I missed your solution just ignore this and continue mission.

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T-I know where you are going with this, and NO, you are not authorized to spend your money on sewing that all up.

Therefore I will withhold critical dimensions from you so you do not get started spending the money THAT YOU NEED for YOUR FAMILY on this crazee project

So what I am going to do is glue the hook velcro to the bottom outside of the flange on the lower section and onto the inside of the lip of the upper section. I'll measure and cut the temper-tent material to the korrekt dimensions and glue the pile velcro to those surfaces.

I purchased the proper glue so hopefully, no issues with the thing pulling apart. I would have it sewn up, but I don't know of anyplace around here that would do something like that.
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« Reply #1338 on: April 11, 2020, 10:18:25 AM »
I like the second jbox idea back near the wheels. I also like to keep the wiring to each brake equal length so that the voltage drop is equal so one brake doesn’t grab harder than the other. Maybe I’m just overly anal about wiring...dunno.
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Hadn't considered the equal length wiring, but, by golly, I'm going to do exactly that

Thanks for the tip

On to the camper body again while I await the arrival of those junction boxes and some propane hose to finish the frame/chassis part.

Getting close to the "Great move" and mating of the two big pieces parts

Yippee!!
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« Reply #1339 on: April 11, 2020, 03:02:05 PM »
Chief,

I went back and did a rough over view of how you got to where camper is.... That being said, I did not see a canvas solution (roof to body connection). I did see you ordered some marmi tent material, but that is all I saw. Good chance I missed your plan in my quick read through, but if you don't have a full solution yet, please give me a call we would like to try and help if we are able. Of course if I missed your solution just ignore this and continue mission.

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T-I know where you are going with this, and NO, you are not authorized to spend your money on sewing that all up.

Therefore I will withhold critical dimensions from you so you do not get started spending the money THAT YOU NEED for YOUR FAMILY on this crazee project

So what I am going to do is glue the hook velcro to the bottom outside of the flange on the lower section and onto the inside of the lip of the upper section. I'll measure and cut the temper-tent material to the korrekt dimensions and glue the pile velcro to those surfaces.

I purchased the proper glue so hopefully, no issues with the thing pulling apart. I would have it sewn up, but I don't know of anyplace around here that would do something like that.

Nah, I was just thinking of helping you sew it all together. Any upholstery shop should be able to help you sew the pieces into one big square.

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« Reply #1340 on: April 11, 2020, 10:14:02 PM »
Started the final trimming out of the body after I ran the last of the wires. I placed panels like this over the exposed 3/4 and plywood
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« Reply #1341 on: April 11, 2020, 10:15:16 PM »
I cut it in around everything, and created a hidden channel in which I hid the wires
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« Reply #1342 on: April 11, 2020, 10:17:21 PM »
After the nugg work on the frame it was fun to get into something not quite as hard or dirty

More trim around the sides, front, and back
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« Reply #1343 on: April 11, 2020, 10:19:10 PM »
The upper controller runs the front actuators, the lower one runs the aft two
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« Reply #1344 on: April 11, 2020, 10:21:17 PM »
Trim, trim, trim

I have only a few planks to add to the roof, and trim those, then it is on to making the fabric membrane to connect the parts
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Re: OverLanding Camper Build
« Reply #1345 on: April 13, 2020, 07:11:18 PM »
Skeletonized the rear lift hinge
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« Reply #1346 on: April 13, 2020, 07:12:26 PM »
And continued to trim out everything I could reach. I'm at about 90% complete at the moment
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« Reply #1347 on: April 13, 2020, 07:14:08 PM »
Next step: Velcro. Starting with the bottom, I applied the recommended glue and applied the hook part of the velcro to the sticky mess
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« Reply #1348 on: April 13, 2020, 07:17:16 PM »
Then the top.

The lower flange gets hook applied to the outside, while the top inside lip got the same hook material

THis will provide for a 2" sealing surface and should prevent rain, or wind from pushing anything inside.
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« Reply #1349 on: April 13, 2020, 07:19:43 PM »
That was the main task set for today, so with a lot of time remaining, I reinforced the table support strut with a piece of aluminum

That piece was pretty flimsy because of the grain orientation going the wrong direction, but this made it all mo-betterer
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