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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #900 on: May 22, 2019, 10:44:34 PM »
So for the heck of it, I tossed an axle into the housing, started it up and threw it in gear.

I almost got a nasty surprise because it was in 4WD and when I tapped the gas, it wanted to climb off the rear supports powered along by the front tires. Switching into 2WD I functioned checked it and everything seems to be operating as it should
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #901 on: May 22, 2019, 10:45:42 PM »
Still waiting on the machined out hubs, but getting closer with every day.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #902 on: May 22, 2019, 10:47:07 PM »
And with two pre-rangers installed:
That front seat “pre ranger” looks more like take the front seat out and give him the back seat type of ranger.  Or strap that boy with them long legs on the roof!!! 


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #903 on: May 22, 2019, 10:53:23 PM »
But, I am not liking how the U-joint saddles do not bolt down flush to the saddle in the diff yoke. Going to have to do something about that

Bet I have a set of girdles for that yoke..... :wink:



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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #904 on: May 23, 2019, 01:41:48 AM »
Doesn't help him much, that you have those,  if he doesn't.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #905 on: May 23, 2019, 07:57:23 AM »
Doesn't help him much, that you have those,  if he doesn't.

To quote GI Joe, knowing is half the battle....  :tongue:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #906 on: May 23, 2019, 10:20:54 AM »
And with two pre-rangers installed:
That front seat “pre ranger” looks more like take the front seat out and give him the back seat type of ranger.  Or strap that boy with them long legs on the roof!!! 


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Youngest one said he was just going to craw in the back and ride in the horizontal.

Front one agrees, frees him up to slide that seat all the way back.

These burbs are big vehicles, but amazingly they do not have expansive inside dimensions. I think chevy makes all the trim and seats "Thick" which takes away from the available leg room. Look at a land rover, then at a chevy and you'll see what I mean. I mean, for me, give me the chevy any day, but I think a slightly more european interior could push the big SUV over the top.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #907 on: May 23, 2019, 10:23:58 AM »
Doesn't help him much, that you have those,  if he doesn't.
Yea, that's right, forgot GLO had those things. Shawn sent me a set for SquareD

I'd be up to PURCHASE a set if you have them Shawn.

Oh and you'll like this. I put one of the GLO decals on the hub in the middle of the spare tire hub. Looks right at home there!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #908 on: May 23, 2019, 10:32:14 AM »
Figured out that I will need a step ladder to strap on this rig somewhere. Not easy to get to the roof basket. I winder where I'll strap that thing on????

Speaking of strapping things on, still have that hi-lift jack to put somewhere

Hmmm just had an idea

Strap it to the right front fender parallel with the ground and pointing forward like the air refuelling probe on that MH-47 Chinook I used to fly. I could practice my pre-contact to contact position flying in unsuspecting jap kars with COEXIST stickers.

Wouldn't that be fun

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« Reply #909 on: May 23, 2019, 10:58:50 AM »
That Gerber folder is my every day pocket knife...er tool. If you didn’t know, you can mail that thing back to gerber they’ll either clean and sharpen or replace. All for the cost of shipping!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #910 on: May 23, 2019, 11:46:31 AM »
And with two pre-rangers installed:
That front seat “pre ranger” looks more like take the front seat out and give him the back seat type of ranger.  Or strap that boy with them long legs on the roof!!! 


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Copy that!

Youngest one said he was just going to craw in the back and ride in the horizontal.

Front one agrees, frees him up to slide that seat all the way back.

These burbs are big vehicles, but amazingly they do not have expansive inside dimensions. I think chevy makes all the trim and seats "Thick" which takes away from the available leg room. Look at a land rover, then at a chevy and you'll see what I mean. I mean, for me, give me the chevy any day, but I think a slightly more european interior could push the big SUV over the top.
I sure like my big couch like seats in GM vehicles for sure!!


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #911 on: May 23, 2019, 02:46:33 PM »
The Gerber folder is my every day pocket knife...er tool. If you didn’t know, you can mail that thing back to gerber they’ll either clean and sharpen or replace. All for the cost of shipping!

did you get lost.....?
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2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #912 on: May 23, 2019, 03:24:07 PM »
That Gerber folder is my every day pocket knife...er tool. If you didn’t know, you can mail that thing back to gerber they’ll either clean and sharpen or replace. All for the cost of shipping!

did you get lost.....?

Nope! Had my daily ration of color this morning :) post 898, the knife he velcroed into his door handle. Probably should have quoted it.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #913 on: May 23, 2019, 03:26:20 PM »
Doesn't help him much, that you have those,  if he doesn't.
Yea, that's right, forgot GLO had those things. Shawn sent me a set for SquareD

I'd be up to PURCHASE a set if you have them Shawn.

Oh and you'll like this. I put one of the GLO decals on the hub in the middle of the spare tire hub. Looks right at home there!

No speaka englash!

Good deal on decal location......

Confirm a couple things Don, does the yoke have spicer cast into it? Is that u-joint cap in that yoke 1350 or 1410 and if you measure across the cap it should measure 1.8125 roughly. If so I’m good to sell you a set, but they’re pricey fair warning!  :tongue:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #914 on: May 23, 2019, 05:10:43 PM »
he's got the 1410 series yoke, 1350 on the driveline side. sent him the DS U-1435
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #915 on: May 23, 2019, 07:07:22 PM »
That Gerber folder is my every day pocket knife...er tool. If you didn’t know, you can mail that thing back to gerber they’ll either clean and sharpen or replace. All for the cost of shipping!

Heck, had flashbacks of baby food,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #916 on: May 23, 2019, 07:40:25 PM »
That Gerber folder is my every day pocket knife...er tool. If you didn’t know, you can mail that thing back to gerber they’ll either clean and sharpen or replace. All for the cost of shipping!

did you get lost.....?

Nope! Had my daily ration of color this morning :) post 898, the knife he velcroed into his door handle. Probably should have quoted it.



Touche brother, touche
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #917 on: May 23, 2019, 08:55:05 PM »
That Gerber folder is my every day pocket knife...er tool. If you didn’t know, you can mail that thing back to gerber they’ll either clean and sharpen or replace. All for the cost of shipping!
Didn't know that

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #918 on: May 23, 2019, 08:57:52 PM »
Doesn't help him much, that you have those,  if he doesn't.
Yea, that's right, forgot GLO had those things. Shawn sent me a set for SquareD

I'd be up to PURCHASE a set if you have them Shawn.

Oh and you'll like this. I put one of the GLO decals on the hub in the middle of the spare tire hub. Looks right at home there!

No speaka englash!

Good deal on decal location......

Confirm a couple things Don, does the yoke have spicer cast into it? Is that u-joint cap in that yoke 1350 or 1410 and if you measure across the cap it should measure 1.8125 roughly. If so I’m good to sell you a set, but they’re pricey fair warning!  :tongue:
I'll have to take a look in the morning S, let you know
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #919 on: May 23, 2019, 08:59:25 PM »
So got the hubs and the rotors back from Charlie. I'll know sometime tomorrow if I am a hurry up and done or back to flight idle.

Charlie glass beaded the things and cleaned them up a bit. That should help with the repainting.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #920 on: May 23, 2019, 09:00:35 PM »
He had a bunch of hours in all this, but treated me very fairly on price. You can see the counter-bored holes alongside the old larger stud ones
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #921 on: May 23, 2019, 09:01:28 PM »
He set them up for proper set when pulling in a knurled stud
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #922 on: May 23, 2019, 09:03:26 PM »
Look closely and you will see a chamfer on every hole, both sides...attention to detail!

Same-same with the rotors. He opened the hole up to fit the step on the hubs, so the rotors should have zero run-out
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #923 on: May 23, 2019, 09:04:13 PM »
Fit and alignment is perfect from what I can see and feel
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #924 on: May 23, 2019, 09:05:42 PM »
So, this is going to be the trick, getting the emergency brake shoes to locate inside this drum. If that happens with the caliper in the correct position over the rotor, I'm doing my hap-pee dance
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #925 on: May 23, 2019, 09:06:48 PM »
Quite a bit of difference between the 1 ton Chevy stuff and this military stuff
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #926 on: May 23, 2019, 09:09:40 PM »
ID, OD, bearing size, axle flange and height all different between these two parts

I will have a very strong lifetime axle capable of anything I put under the hood and whatever conditions I would subject it to when completed.

This has been an interesting walk and this is very likely the only axle of its kind, converted in this manner in existence.
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« Reply #927 on: May 23, 2019, 09:17:43 PM »
But, does it fit and the dance must be recorded!!!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #928 on: May 23, 2019, 10:45:24 PM »
Before I read all of this,  you now need to have your disc brakes custom made to fit your rear axle?  Do I understand this right?  Are you going to have the same person machine some ASAP so you have the right stuff on the shelf in a case of emergancy ?


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« Reply #929 on: May 24, 2019, 08:24:14 AM »
Before I read all of this,  you now need to have your disc brakes custom made to fit your rear axle?  Do I understand this right?  Are you going to have the same person machine some ASAP so you have the right stuff on the shelf in a case of emergancy ?

Pretty much what I was thinking. I like over kill / over built but this just doesnt make sense. A 14 bolt FF out of HD truck or even the diesel 11.5 would have made more sense to me.

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« Reply #930 on: May 24, 2019, 08:46:31 AM »
I understand the cool factor but the min you can’t drive to s Napa and get a replacement rotor? 


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #931 on: May 24, 2019, 09:35:13 AM »
As I tell my friends. When you write the check, you are the only one that has to be happy.

Spares on hand would be smart.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #932 on: May 24, 2019, 10:38:15 AM »
The only part I might ever need is a rotor. I use stock rotors and have the center bore milled larger to fit over the big hub. That's it, easy peasy.
Hubs do not go bad (ever) Sometimes the bearings do, but just pull the number off your bearing and buy one at NAPA or Oreillys or... Seal you ask? I pried the old ones off, drove to Oreillys and walked out with two new ones in five minutes. So not as difficult as you might think.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #933 on: May 24, 2019, 10:42:03 AM »
Before I read all of this,  you now need to have your disc brakes custom made to fit your rear axle?  Do I understand this right?  Are you going to have the same person machine some ASAP so you have the right stuff on the shelf in a case of emergancy ?

Pretty much what I was thinking. I like over kill / over built but this just doesnt make sense. A 14 bolt FF out of HD truck or even the diesel 11.5 would have made more sense to me.
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Personally I prefer this mutant thing, I mean who has a Dana 80 in a suburban? Personally, I like the uniqueness. I like the fact that this particular axle was created to be used as an instrument of war. I remember driving around in those Suburbans in Baghdad. And, really, should I get to hating this thing, well, just pull it out, sell it for what I have in it and go buy the 11.5 AAM and motor on.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #934 on: May 24, 2019, 10:54:01 AM »
Not to mention, with the extra weight under the suburban, should lower his center of gravity. :)


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« Reply #935 on: May 24, 2019, 11:50:11 AM »
I’d run it in a heart beat! Even though it weighs as much as a Kia, it’ll be extremely tough! Look forward to seeing it in ravin8

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« Reply #936 on: May 24, 2019, 02:13:00 PM »
Not to mention, with the extra weight under the suburban, should lower his center of gravity. :)


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #937 on: May 24, 2019, 09:46:26 PM »
Pressed some studs into the new/old hubs

Second pic is stock left vs mugo, right.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #938 on: May 24, 2019, 09:47:56 PM »
These are the original bearings which were cleaned with solvent, then purged of the remaining goo and pumped full of new grease
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #939 on: May 24, 2019, 09:49:17 PM »
Bearings dropped into the remanufactured hubs and retained with a brandly new National grease seal
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #940 on: May 24, 2019, 09:50:51 PM »
And then came mock-up time. Using the factory backing plate and caliper mount, i assembled the parts to see where I was
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #941 on: May 24, 2019, 09:52:20 PM »
As you can see, this setup is a No-Go. THe emergency brake shoes are only about 50% into the rotor, and the caliper alignment is way off
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #942 on: May 24, 2019, 09:53:54 PM »
So that is that and constitutes a dead end for using the stock Suburban stuff. So, decision was made for me, that stock stuff was removed and I started again with the backing plates that came with this axle.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #943 on: May 24, 2019, 09:55:27 PM »
And reinstalled both hubs.

This time was for the record. I snugged up the retaining "nut" installed the locking assembly, and then the second "nut" which finished this portion of the reassembly
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« Reply #944 on: May 24, 2019, 09:56:43 PM »
After another solvent cleaning I painted the bare steel hubs with semi gloss black enamel.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #945 on: May 24, 2019, 09:59:22 PM »
I slid on the brake rotors and checked caliper alignment and I'm happy to say, that looks good.

I did run into a strange problem though. Those new brake pads seem to be thicker than the set in the old rotors and the set that came off. And I simply cannot get those calipers to slide on. So, I threw in the towel at that point and will sort that out tomorrow. THis thing kicked my butt today!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #946 on: May 24, 2019, 10:00:12 PM »
I tossed on the towing pintle and secured that thing. At one point it was installed in the rear bumper of SquareD
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #947 on: May 24, 2019, 10:00:57 PM »
So, that's where I left it tonight, back to it in the morrow...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #948 on: May 24, 2019, 10:05:41 PM »
I hate to ask this now... but is it possible to move the mount that holds the backing plate outwards? Just like I had to do with my caliper bracket on my 70....

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #949 on: May 24, 2019, 10:29:28 PM »
Diameter if current rotor and hat height?
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