http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=miEmIfhfxuc

Inform yourself
What we lack, gentlemen in most cases is a broad reference base of knowledge. We are not as smart as we should be, and in a way that makes us lazy and irresponsible to our nation. We have to think nad be able to do so clearly and critically if we are to be able to make correct decisions about the matters at hand.
I could go on and on about how I learned that lesson, but you need to learn the lesson as well. Get smart while holding onto your bedrock belief in the almighty and your good common sense. With that you will be well equipped to fight the beast who day by advancing day, continuing to show himself all the more. He is wrapped in the cloak of political correctness which in it's basic form is the lack of courage and lying, nothing more. Yet this concept has somehow been elevated to the level of a linguistic art form. I say Bull crap, a turd in a hot dog bun is still a turd.
Watch this Power point presentation and learn from it. It if a statement of fact and shows how the left works (Lies). Learn the truth and you will disarm the enemy who is revealing itself as some of our fellow countrymen (Not fellow patriots) and some of our goverment. Learn, sharpen your mind!

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

Wow, is Illinois and Chicago great or what?

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?

Body count: In the last 12 months 500 murdered in Chicago .

221 killed in Iraq

Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws in
the entire US....In fact there are NO private citizens that are issued a
concealed carry permit and they do not recognize carry permits from any
other state. This so called "black state" allows only police and military to
carry weapons and the gun violence is the highest in the nation.

President: Barack Hussein Obama

Senator: Dick Durbin

House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

Governor: Pat Quinn

House leader: Mike Madigan

Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

Mayor: Rahm Emanuel

The leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they're all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in
Illinois .

And he is going to 'fix' Washington politics for us???

George Ryan is no longer Governor, he is in the big house.

Of course he was replaced by Rob Blajegovitch who is...that' s right, also
in the big house.

And Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. resigned a couple of weeks ago.

That is because he is fighting being sent to...that' s right, the big house.

The Land of Lincoln , where our governors make our license plates.

You may be a liberal if:

You believe Islam really is the religion of peace!

You may be a liberal if:

You watch Michael Moore movies
...and enjoy them!

You might be a liberal if

All your friends are gay, communist, actors, tax cheats, terrorists, muslims, and professors at the university of Chicago

You might be a Liberal if:

You think Obama pays your welfare from his own money!

Why even have states?

If I was an off planet observer with little knowledge of history say, having just arrived from the planet leftist I wouldn’t understand the need for states in this country of western Europe called the United States. OK, I'll just be that space travler.

It seems all the logic, wisdom and guidance we would ever need comes from one central ruling city. The people living in that ruling city must all be much smarter and have the ability to rule over all of us in a fair and uniform manner, because according to my briefing prior to arriving from the space corridor, My manual on the United States told me that the people there elected their leaders. And in my world, it would be logical for the people to elect their very best and brightest. So I am perplexed over this concept of states, why is there the need for them?

From what I have monitored of the radio and television intercepts this central ruling city continually comes up with rules which they call laws and then apply them to everyone. If alligator hunting is banned in certain months in Louisiana, then that rule should equally apply to the people in Alaska, right? So if all these people are supposed to be alike why is there any confusion? If they all get together to elect one guy to run everything, then these disorganized people would be a lot better off and have less confusion if they just listened to him to run their lives, right? Err, I mean left? Political analysis by my learning computer suggests this man is taking over at the moment, so it would seem the people are finally getting it right, well left.

Still this concept of states is puzzling and very damaging to the peace and the order from what I can determine. For example there are these people called Texans who seem to be perpetually confused. It seems they disagree with just about everything the ruling city comes up! Now why would that be. My computer suggests they suffer from a mental disorder and are possibly of lower intellect than the others. Me, I just don’t know, but something is surely wrong with them. Oddly there are others afflicted by the same sickness. I believe they have already identified the mental condition which they refer to frequently as conservatism. There was something on my planet akin to that centuries ago but our brilliant scientists were able to eliminate it through a surgical procedure where they removed our brains and replaced them with receiver units which were connected to our central control over on the left side of our world. Oddly enough, our planet has no right side, you just keep going left and end up eventually back at the left!

Back to this problem I have with understanding the need for states. Everyone is the same right, err, excuse me left? If the people living in Detroit are the same as those living in Alabama, then why need two different states? Those from New York have the exact same wants needs desires and so forth as those from Mississippi, correct? (Didn’t say right just then) If the pilgrims who settled the area called New England are the same as some people called Apache Indians, then why are they wasting all the effort and expense of having other rulers run the smaller states. Why doesn’t everyone just listen to the one they picked to be their ruler? Very confusing these humans, these Americans.

My other friends report that things are much better off in their regions of study. One Karlmarx says that China is one big happy place where the ruler there makes decisions for all of his subjects. And Billayers, my friend, is overlooking another bigger area called Islam. He says everyone seems to be happy there and even though there are many countries in that region, this thing called Islam is really the power that runs it all. Oddly I don’t recall him ever mentioning any opinions given by the women there, probably just forgot to mention them. And my closest buddy Stallen who oversees Europe reports that the concept of country and state and individual is all but gone, so things are going very well in Europe it would seem.

Back to my troublesome United States. The more I research the more infected people I find. I saw one map of infected areas, This map show the healthy areas shaded in blue. Those tiny areas were all but covered by the horrid mass of orange, the color of the infected lower intellect people. I don’t know how, but the blue areas still control all the orange areas, so they will have a lot of disinfecting to do if they are ever to get America left, err, I mean, healthy.

Even though I am not supposed to interfere with these American humans I feel compelled to. Everyone knows an individual is not intelligent enough to make decisions for himself or herself, right, err, I mean left? That is best left up to the ruler. We once had a collective to make our decisions for us, but eventually, after they removed all our brains, we just leave it up to the ruler. Don’t these humans realize that one cannot make a sound decision all by themselves? If that person running New York city were just allowed to make the decisions for the cattle rancher in Montana these people could enjoy peace and equality. It all makes perfect sense if you really don’t think about it, and that is why I think I am going to help the lefties (as I like to call them) remove the brains of all the infected people, and if I can get away with it, I’m starting with that place called Texas. You know why??? Because they say “Don’t mess with Texas” and we just can’t have attitudes like that running around spoiling it for the bright lefties, now can we?

OK, enough with this journal entry, we’re making a big left turn for a landing to meet with their ruler. He is very insightful, but (and I’m only saying this because this is my journal) he doesn’t seem to be all that smart. I plan to talk to him about just having the brains removed from all the infected people so they will be just like the healthy people of the left. I think my plan will save him a lot of effort with all this talk which seems to go on forever. So come on people, let’s get left!

Nope, that's not my license plate.

Just an aft view of the bike before the mods begin...

For a purchase price of $3350, an excellent buy and starting point me thinks!

The Voyager GPS speedo/timer/computer thing...and the padding on the bars

And a big brake kit! Along with guards for the inverted forks!

So stock!!!!!!!

I'm liking this! ;)

Originally Posted by Armalite View Post
I agree...

Another question, for you or anyone who feels compelled to give their opinion...

I'm not saying it will or won't. I'm just giving a for instance example....

Everything goes down. Economy shuts down. Government dispatches the little hitlers. When and how does it get turned around? After all the big cities are finished killing each other off, and the rural people kill off each other, and no one else left but those who were smart enough to protect what is theirs; who pieces everything back together? I'm assuming I cant pick up the phone and give ol Don a call and say what's up? How do we all come together, as a group, organized militia, call it what you will ? Do we just survive in our bunkers until we perish? When do we go out, if ever, to find out if the America we once knew is begining to put itself back on track?

Like Don has already stated, God always has, does, and will protect his people. If it's my time to go, and he needs me up there, then Im ready. No fear, no doubt in my mind. He has and always will put me where I'm needed the most.

I want to put this country back on the right track, but I can't do it by sitting in a bunker waiting for my death. Don't take that statement the wrong way. I have a place to keep safe, as should everyone. But I refuse to sit back and hide the rest of my life. If I survive, I want to make this country right again...

You'll know. First of all, the people of the cities and urban areas will fall into pandomonia just like they always do and that will run it's course. The people of the country will likely not act in that manner. It is our custom to help one another and I see us doing more of that than killing one another. I mean how many riots have you seen across AMerica's farmlands?
I think we will organize and become tightly knit self dependent communities. Information will spread and some of us will have HAMM radios or other means of communicating. It won't be as cut and dry awful as you think.
When the mobs come to us they will be met with force, and they will likely not survive. All of that is pretty ugly.
My bigger concern is for eventual outsider intervention. China comes to mind. If the American dollar could be successfully wiped out like the goverment and Federal reserve appears to be attempting to do, it is questionable how the rest of the world fares. I mean we are pretty much the economic engine for the planet. We buy lots of stuff which energizes lots of countries.
But let's say they set up their own economies which don't include us. Iran is currently trying to open it's own oil market based on gold and not the US dollar, and outside of OPEC. THat is not good for us. THat is why we will want to invade and destroy them although we will generate some artificial reason, like they are getting the bomb, their human rights abuses or something like that.
But let's say China or western asia is able to pull it out, and restabilize. Well that giant glut of a machine still would need oil wouldn't it? And who has most of the oil? IF you said the US and Canada, post a gold star!
So a severly weakened third world nation with a battered goverment although still possessing nukes might need to be stabilized. I see the UN using Chinese troops as a viable stabilizing force. Believe it or not, that is our biggest fight, when our own goverment gives us fully over to the UN for help. Of course, we would never recover from that as a nation and simply be absorbed into that culture, albeit as second class citizens or slave workers.
What I find amazing is that a lot of you find this amazing. Speaks a lot about our education, awareness and the ability to think.
Well, I have said it before nad I believe it, that although the deck is clearly stacked against us and there are now more idiots than rational people it is coming. I still believe God will protect and deliver his people simply because someone needs to do his work. Although having said that Americans are becoming less and less his people. We rush headlong toward becoming a society of God haters, while believe it or not, Christianity in China is growing like crazy. Indeed we may be lost except for pockets of us here and there and evangalized by Chinese. Think about it, could happen.
America suffers from amensia and selfishness. Hard to reach poeple when they are comfortably cruising toward their destruction with narry a thought of something bad coming their way except maybe a missed episode of gold rush...
Shawn says tribe is important...man is he correct!

From Shawn:

Something worth mentioning, we were as a nation created through revolt of the largest military in the world at the time. Their musket was our AR15 per say, not alot different then as it is today if you think in these terms. Three percent were all that fought the largest military in the world. To me that is amazing & I believe (contrary to alot of peoples opinions) that they were very godly men.

Bloodshed and armed conflict, this may be something the majority has never experienced I myself included. However, with that stated I grew up in a relatively free country. I have three children of my own and countless nieces and nephews. If I am to be remembered for one thing it is that I would not bow to evil, ever.

From Shawn:

First off I want to say to all our Servicemen on here & within earshot that I am truly sorry. I'm sorry that you have fought all these years for us and now that it is your time to rest you will likely be called into the fold once more. I'm ashamed at the apparent majority of Americans who act anything but. The only thing I can guarantee you is that my off spring will not act in this manner if I have anything to say about it.

Second, Don touched base on this whole idea of driving off into the mountains and setting up Eden (he was really snickering as he wrote it). I would quickly come to the realization on a couple of things. That being if you are a few hours from said mountains & / or they are across said state lines you will probably not make it there. One of the first things they will do is start cracking down on travel (do you have your papers might be a new catch phrase?). Next is the fact if you do make it there the locals can probably spot you a mile off just in the way you walk. I personally am from NE IN. and have spent alot of time in SE KY wheeling. Great people down there but there is no way for me to fit in within a short amount of time or for that matter the weeks on end I spent there each year for about five years straight.

Something else to think about is resources. Most people know where the local ones are because they have lived where they are currently most of their lives or at least a few years. Those that have not should start networking now hard core & how do you measure trust? My way is with time normally, get started. I also know the majority of the good guys or should I say old school that I can create a network with whether it be trade or for help. I also have wandered these stomping grounds enough to know how to get lost quickly (on purpose) not to mention the lay of the land burned into my head. I don't need any topo maps however don't overlook hard copies of these as they can be invaluable even for barter possibly.

What do you make of this:


The latest from “DHS Insider” (Part I)


By Douglas J. Hagmann
Introduction
23 December 2012: After a lengthy, self-imposed informational black-out, my high-level DHS contact known as “Rosebud” emerged with new, non-public information about plans being discussed and prepared for implementation by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in the near future. It is important to note that this black-out was directly related to the aggressive federal initiative of identifying and prosecuting “leakers,” at least those leaks and leakers not sanctioned by the executive office – the latter of which there are many.

Due to those circumstances, my source exercised an abundance of caution to avoid compromising a valuable line of communication until he had information he felt was significant enough to risk external contact. The following information is the result of an in-person contact between this author and “Rosebud” within the last 48 hours. With his permission, the interview was digitally recorded and the relevant portions of the contact are provided in a conversational format for easier reading. The original recording was copied onto multiple discs and are maintained in secure locations for historical and insurance purposes.
Meeting
The following began after an exchange of pleasantries and other unrelated discussion:
DH: Do I have your permission to record this conversation?
RB: You do.
DH: I’ve received a lot of e-mail from people wondering where you went and why you’ve been so quiet.
RB: As I told you earlier, things are very dicey. Weird things began to happen before the election and have continued since. Odd things, a clampdown of sorts. I started looking and I found [REDACTED AT THE REQUEST OF THIS SOURCE], and that shook me up. I’m not the only one, though, that found a [REDACTED], so this means there’s surveillance of people within DHS by DHS. So, that explains this cloak and dagger stuff for this meeting.
DH: I understand. What about the others?
RB: They are handling it the same way.
DH: I’ve received many e-mails asking if you are the same person giving information to Ulsterman. Are you?
RB: No, but I think I know at least one of his insiders.
DH: Care to elaborate?
RB: Sorry, no.
DH: Do you trust him or her. I mean, the Ulsterman source?
RB: Yes.
DH: Okay, so last August, you said things were “going hot.” I printed what you said, and things did not seem to happen as you said.
RB: You’d better recheck your notes and compare [them] with some of the events leading up to the election. I think you’ll find that a full blown campaign of deception took place to make certain Obama got back into office. The polls, the media, and a few incidents that happened in the two months before the election. I guess if people are looking for some big event they can point to and say “aha” for verification, well then I overestimated people’s ability to tell when they are being lied to.
DH: What specific incidents are you referring to?
RB: Look at the threats to Obama. Start there. The accusations of racism. Then look at the polls, and especially the judicial decisions about voter ID laws. Bought and paid for, or where there was any potential for problems, the judges got the message, loud and clear. Then look at the voter fraud. And not a peep from the Republicans. Nothing. His second term was a done deal in September. This was planned. Frankly, the Obama team knew they had it sewn up long before election day. Benghazi could have derailed them, but the fix was in there, so I never saw anything on my end to suggest a ready-made solution had to be implemented.
DH: What’s going on now?
RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’ necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.
DH: Wait, you’re DHS – not some Wall Street insider.
RB: So you think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming collapse of the U.S. dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for years – decades, and this is one of the most important cataclysmic events that DHS is preparing for. I almost think that DHS was created for that purpose alone, to fight Americans, not protect them, right here in America. But that’s not the only reason. There’s the gun issue too.
DH: So, what are you seeing at DHS?
RB: We don’t have a lot of time, tonight – our meeting – as well as a country. I mean I have heard – with my own ears – plans being made that originate from the White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS. You gotta know how DHS works at the highest of levels. It’s Jarrett and Napolitano, with Jarrett organizing all of the plans and approaches. She’s the one in charge, at least from my point of view, from what I am seeing. Obama knows that’s going on and has say, but it seems that Jarrett has the final say, not the other way around. It’s [screwed] up. This really went into high gear since the election.
But it’s a train wreck at mid management, but is more effective at the lower levels. A lot of police departments are being gifted with federal funds with strings attached. That money is flowing out to municipal police departments faster than it can be counted. They are using this money to buy tanks, well, not real tanks, but you know what I mean. DHS is turning the police into soldiers.
By the way, there has been a lot of communication recently between Napolitano and Pistole [TSA head]. They are planning to use TSA agents in tandem with local police for certain operations that are being planned right now. This is so [deleted] important that you cannot even begin to imagine. If you get nothing else out of this, please, please make sure you tell people to watch the TSA and their increasing involvement against the American public. They are the stooges who will be the ones to carry out certain plans when the dollar collapses and the gun confiscation begins.
DH: Whoa, wait a minute. You just said a mouthful. What’s the agenda here?
RB: Your intelligence insider – he knows that we are facing a planned economic collapse. You wrote about this in your articles about Benghazi, or at least that’s what I got out of the later articles. So why the surprise?
DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.
RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990′s. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.
And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these armories everyday without even giving them a second look. Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.
Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should no be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.
They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.
DH: New federal gun laws?
RB: Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a kook or worse.
DH: Sure
RB: But Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.
DH: Another shooting?
RB: Yes.
DH: That would mean they are at least complicit.
RB: Well, that’s one way of looking at it.
DH: Are they? Were they?
RB: Do your own research. Nothing I say, short of bringing you photographs and documents will convince anyone, and even then, it’s like [DELETED] in the wind.
DH: So…
RB: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.
Before or at the same time, you know all the talk of lists, you know, the red and blue lists that everyone made fun of? Well they exist, although I don’t know about their colors. But there are lists of political dissidents maintained by DHS. Names are coordinated with the executive branch, but you know what? They did not start with Obama. They’ve been around in one form or another for years. The difference though is that today, they are much more organized. And I’ll tell you that the vocal opponents of the politics of the global elite, the bankers, and the opponents of anything standing in their way, well, they are on the top of the list of people to be handled.
DH: Handled?
RB: As the situations worsen, some might be given a chance to stop their vocal opposition. Some will, others won’t. I suppose they are on different lists. Others won’t have that chance. By that time, though, it will be chaos and people will be in full defensive mode. They will be hungry, real hunger like we’ve never experienced before. They will use our hunger as leverage. They will use medical care as leverage.
DH: Will this happen all at once?
RB: They hope to make it happen at the same time. Big cities first, with sections being set apart from the rest of the country. Then the rural areas. There are two different plans for geographical considerations. But it will all come together.
End of Part I
In Pursuit of the Truth...

Civil aviation, especially helicopter operators define that as "Flat Light."
It's where everything blends together, sort of like "cross-Over" with FLIR systems.
Vertigo is actually the spinning sensation you get when motion is introduced into all three of the semi circular canals at once. Your body is then giving you conflicting signals to what your eyes and seat of the pants are telling you. People often get sick immediately when that happens.
When I'd be flying around with one of you knuckleheads in the cockpit I had lots of little tricks I'd play. One that worked well was to point over th the left for example. When my victium looked left I'd roll hard right, take it a ball width out of trim then pitch back. The crew chiefs hated me doing that, but they knew if they complained too loudly, I push over and play cieling tag with them for awhile
Anywho, you'll be OK! Take two asprins, get plenty of rest, and write me in the morning!

From Ashley:

Had a few things come to me this morning on my quiet drive to work in the dark. Most of the power is out down here due to the wind, so it was quite surreal to drive in pitch black, where there is normally light.

Someone spoke to me, and said this could be the normal. This could be our future. So I thought about that. Imagine all the roads you travel day to day. If you travel in the dark, like I do everyday, think of all the lights, gas stations, houses, security lights ect. that are running. Everything is lit up. You can see where you are going.

Now, cut the power to everything. It gets pitch black. Eerily black. What if that becomes our normal? If this war is coming, I feel that we will be experiencing a lot more "roads in the dark". Willing or not. That feeling of being by yourself, may become the normal feeling. We may be sitting around remembering the days that we had electricity, and lights that revealed where we were going...

About halfway through my jaunt, during the middle of a prayer, I began to be questioned. Here were the questions...

"You want to know why I let these trajedies happen?"

"Everyone wants to know why these shootings occur."

"How could God let this happen?"

Then these questions were followed by answers...

"I created you. Each and everyone of you, in my image. You are my children. Now, you have rebuked me. You have taken me out of the courts. I created those courts for you, and now you think you can handle it by yourself, so I was removed. I created the schools that you learned in, and that your children will be taught in. You removed me from the schools, so I guess you think you have that under control as well. Sporting events can no longer involve me. So much for all the physical abilities you recieved because of me. Guess that was all you, and didnt need my hand at all. Now look at your country. This great country I spent thousands of years preparing for you. It was founded by godly men. By men with principal, character. Now you feel you dont need that anymore. Who cares about principal, or doing whats right. It's all about who can give you the most, without requiring any effort on your part. So you want to run the country your way, and not mine anymore."

"Everyone wants to know why and how. Look at who is running things now. I tried, but I created you to have free will. Free choice. I have always been there to help, and Im still here. But, you think you are better. You know better, and I'm no longer needed. So, I step aside, because that is what you want isnt it? If not, then I would still be involved in everything that I have created for you. So, this country will continue to be run by your own. When you have had enough, if you ever do, I will still be here. I can still take care of things, but only if Im desired to do so."

"You ask how and why everytime there is a tragic event. I ask myself everyday, how and why, the people I created, could turn against all I have prepared for you."

Thought maybe a few more people out there needed to hear what I heard this morning. Needless to say, I had a very humbling drive to work this morning....

Originally Posted by nmeyer414 View Post
don, i almost thought for a minute that you forgot about your CIEMR thread, you have not posted for us here of late?! how is the bug that was going around your house? every body get ride of it? how shtat new piece of land you were looking at coming along?

Bug gone, but well used here!
Land purchase is stumbling along. It is a typical kentucky back woods deal. No deeded access, although the law gurantees it. No great boundary markers, just a pile of rocks to an old oak tree to a bend in the creek, stuff like that. In fact the seller told me it was 95 acres, he thought. Now my lawyer who is processing the sale says it is likely larger than 110 acres. It turns out I will also own part of a creek bottom which another farm is using as a tobacco field. Heck, I thought that piece was his land.
My Lawyer tells me we can get it done, but he won't bring me to the closing table until it's right.

OK, Nate got me fired up this morning! You know in a different world in a different time I would have loved to have him as my platoon sergeant. We could have had some good coffees and discussions together! My typical relationship with NCO's is to constantly argue with them and on occasion mud wrestle with the big ones, or arm wrestle, but always hassle them. Seems I was born to that task. But behind closed doors, we were buddies and I supported the good ones all the way.

THere is a lesson here I want to pass on those of you that have the brains to get this. I am paying cash for the place. I am paying cash to fix up the road, and paying cash for a tempo trailer to put on the property and to fix up the house. I did that because throughout my life I used a diciplined investing and saving principle. Additionally, since Finding God and Jesus, I have tithed. Remember the part in the bible where GOd himself actually invites us to call us out? He says you give 10% of your earnings as a tithe, (Not that he needs it) and he will bless us. I can say, that his blessings and not as much my savings is getting all this done. It is not luck, not some great stock deal I made, because I have made far more poor ones that good trades. No sir, Jesus has had my back and provided and blessed us beyond my dreams.
Now he may take it all back tomorrow, that's his call, and I'm good with that, heck I/you/we are only here on this earth for a short time, sort of a temp job if you will, so in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

So I say to you as I have in the past. first: Find Jesus and get to know him and his Father who has made all things. I mean seriously, get to know him. Next get his TM, err, the bible which is our instruction book for life and read it. Figure out what he is telling you and do it. Spend every day in prayer to him about seven hundred times a day, for he asks us to pray about and ask all things. Do all that and that will automatically equate to a balanced life of humble servitude to your neighbor. I sometimes have a hard time with that. I have knocked some of them about the head and shoulders as of recent times, and I am not fond of Muslims and other God haters, but I consider myself a work in progress.

You do those things, (Not the muslim dislike stuff) and you too will find your yoke and your burden light. Fight God, deny him and he will give you over th the devil who has more ways to keep you busy and snowed under than wal mart has hillbillies during a mud tire and shotgun shell sale!
Be good Y'all!

Another:


In my many years I have come to a
conclusion that one useless man
is a shame, two is a law firm,
and three or more is a congress.
-Mark Twain

Read this recently, very comforting (Not!):

Before the presidential election, I got the idea to commission a scientific poll to find out what Muslim-Americans really think – and how it might affect their votes.
The results were eye-opening and alarming. They should be to every American who believes in the U.S. Constitution and Judeo-Christian morality.
Here’s the overview from 30,000 feet:
• Nearly half of those polled, a scientific sampling of 600, said parodies of Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted with offenders given punishments as severe as the death penalty;
• 40 percent of Muslims believe they should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution, but by Shariah standards and Islamic judges;
• Only 30 percent believe Christians have a right to evangelize Muslims;
• 20 percent say Muslim men should be allowed to have more than one wife;
• 58 percent said any criticism of their religion should not be allowed under the Constitution – even while nine of 10 said they support the First Amendment;
• One in three said Israel has no right to exist or were uncertain about it;
• 72 percent said they would definitely be voting for Barack Obama, while another 8.5 percent were leaning in that direction;
• Only 11 percent were supporting Mitt Romney at the time – just days before the November vote;
• About 55 percent said the U.S. is generally on the right track.
Now, maybe you question the authenticity or reliability of this survey. Maybe you think it was biased. Maybe you think the sampling of Muslims, 98 percent of whom have U.S. citizenship, wasn’t large enough.
Well, shortly after WND commissioned this survey by respected pollster Fritz Wenzel, another similar survey was commissioned by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which bills itself as a Muslim civil-rights organization but which in fact is a Muslim Brotherhood front group.
The results were strikingly similar – at least on the questions asked in both surveys. This CAIR survey, conducted on a smaller sampling of 500, received extensive coverage by the media.
The CAIR survey found:
• 68 percent of Muslim-Americans planned to vote for vote for Obama with 7 percent going for Romney;
• 66 percent said they identify with the Democratic Party, while only 9 percent affiliated as Republicans.
In other words, the CAIR survey validates the Wenzel poll – even though it didn’t seek answers on some of the more troubling issues of the law and constitutional liberties.
So what are the takeaways from this first survey of Muslim-Americans about Islamism and Shariah?
The Pew Research Center estimates America is home to 2.6 million Muslims. Groups like CAIR put the numbers much higher – by a factor of two or three times.
Whatever the real numbers are, Americans have reason to be concerned about continued immigration of Muslims into the U.S. when so many already here, including those who have established citizenship, have values and beliefs that stand in stark contrast to the Constitution sand the values and beliefs that shaped it.
Already, massive immigration of Muslims has changed the very character of much of Europe, where special Shariah courts have been established, creating societies with entirely different legal standards.
Do we really want that for America?
In fact, we need to ask ourselves how many people who took oaths to uphold the Constitution to obtain their citizenship really meant it. Is that standard sufficient for Muslims, who are encouraged by their faith to deceive if it furthers the cause of Islam?
“Multiculturalism” is much in vogue in the U.S. But if blind allegiance to a nice-sounding phrase of inclusiveness spells the eventual doom of our national heritage, is it really the right path to follow?
Quite simply, we need to collectively and individually ask ourselves a simple question: Is continued immigration into the U.S. by Muslims in the best interest of preserving our liberties?

Since we frequently address survival "Prepper" topics, Here's a good one I came across recently.
I'd suggest those interested print out these suggestions, articles, guides, and plans and make up a book to be used as reference later.

This topic deals with leadership. Watching the prepper shows on TV, I see this sort of thing cropping up. A good leader is hard to come by, from my 2.5 decades in the military, I have seen this first hand and can give names to each of these pseudo leaders.

THe concept of community is all important with specialists and cross training amongst the various members. Watch, wait, and listen and the leader will appear over time and usually after some difficult tests. A good leader can get you through, where as a poor one can get you dead. So spend more time than the US population used to select our current leader and be aware of both good and poor leadership traits.
In my view a good leader can make decent decisions but usually will not make them hastily. HE will seek the counsel of trusted individuals and not rely on only him/herself for all the answers. He/She needs to be fairly well experienced and with tough things like life and death. He/she needs not be controlling, however strong enough to make a difficult decision and stand by it.
Here are some descriptions of poor leadership:


Being forced to endure and survive a catastrophic macro event like a monetary or social collapse is perhaps one of the worst experiences I could imagine. Such a crisis leads to just about every crime and inhuman action in existence, and the time required for a culture to right itself and rebuild is severely protracted. A hurricane, earthquake or tidal wave is a short-lived calamity that is easy in comparison. As survivalists who are preparing to make an economic endgame scenario as comfortable to live through as we can, it is incumbent upon us to consider the kind of company we keep during the gambit. Some allies will make that mad world bearable; others will bring the madness to your doorstep.

Many preppers are aware of the dangers inherent in our progressively deteriorating Nation. Unfortunately, some of them are completely unaware of the dangers inherent within themselves. Building a solid community of people to rely on during a collapse is absolutely essential, and the larger the group of liberty-minded neighbors the better. But if certain ground rules are not established from the very beginning, a rainbow of personal issues and character flaws could very well destroy years of effort. Care must be taken by all parties involved to ensure that internal conflicts remain at a minimum and that, when they do arise, each person is wise enough to resolve issues in an adult manner.

I hate to say it, but you will inevitably run into some folks who are beyond compromise and beyond hope. Working with them is like pulling teeth — shark’s teeth — from your jugular. Here are just a handful of powder-keg personalities who will make the apocalypse more than a living hell for you and your friends if they manage to latch onto or take leadership in your survival watch.

The Assumed Leader

The assumed leader is not actually a reliable or practical leader; he just thinks he is. And he loudly reminds everyone that he is whenever he can find occasion. He does not generally do this by screaming, “I am your leader!” Instead, he attempts to micromanage every aspect of the survival group and shows early signs of control issues. The assumed leader will first make forceful suggestions to test the waters, scoffing angrily whenever people do not strictly follow his advice. If he gains traction, his suggestions turn into orders, and he begins to act as though he is somehow in a superior position to the rest of the community.

He seems to have an answer to every question or concern, which would be nice if he actually knew what he was talking about half of the time. Usually, this is not the case. He may have expertise in a certain field, like farming, building, engineering or even defense; that expertise is indeed valuable. However, his mastery of one area of knowledge has inflated his ego to massive proportions and he now pretends as if he is some kind of hyper-educated elitist potentate. When approached with alternative options and methods, he will respond with ridicule as if you have no clue what you are talking about. When his ideas are criticized, he will react with fury and try to remove dissenters from the community entirely.

The best way to avoid these people is to discover them early in your prepping project, and to make certain that no one becomes a de facto dictator. Every person with particular expertise within the community should be deferred to in that particular field, but not given authority over all decisions. The experienced farmer should lead when it comes to farming, but step aside when it comes to defense and vice versa. Keep in mind that the best leaders always ask those around them for aid and advice before coming to any conclusion. The worst leaders assume they already know everything.

The Feudal Lord

The feudal lord is an assumed leader who has managed to lure other preppers into a commune rather than a community, and there is a considerable difference. He is often a well-off survivalist who has suddenly realized that he is basically defenseless to protect all his money, land and supplies and that he needs an organized group to protect his bounty. He entices other preppers into the fold with ideas that he is building a legitimate and fair community. Since he has land available, many take interest. The problem is that the feudal lord believes that since he owns the land the group is defending, he’s automatically the grand poobah. He sees the other preppers not as equals, but as servants and serfs.

The reality is, the feudal lord’s land and supplies are utterly meaningless without security and without aid. His survival riches can be taken in an instant by a mere handful of looters or even one experienced raider. Without other people, treated as equals in survival and ready to lay down their lives to protect each other and him, he has nothing. He is foolhardy to think otherwise.

This is not to say that all landowners who try to centralize a group on their property are seeking to become mini-kings of a mini-kingdom. If rules and agreements are made early on and everyone understands their role, then such an arrangement could work. But if the landowner purposely avoids set agreements, appoints roles to people without asking them and changes the plan regularly to suit himself, then it’s time to walk away before it’s too late. Eventually, he will use his position as landowner as a means to dominate and will threaten to cast out people who disagree with his methods.

The best way to avoid these characters and the commune situation altogether is to not centralize on a single piece of land, but to organize in a neighborhood fashion wherein everyone maintains sovereign control of what they do and all aid is voluntary.

The Moral Relativist

There is, sadly, a small subsection of survivalists out there who do not plan to live off their own preps; they plan to confiscate the preps of others by force and solve every problem at the barrel of a gun. In their mind, a crisis situation calls for the abandonment of conscience and the application of a “survival of the fittest” mentality. They believe that morals are all well and good when civilized society remains, but a source of weakness during catastrophe. Their philosophy is: Only the strongest of men will be able to set aside principle and “do what needs to be done.” That is to say, they believe you must become the monster to defeat the monster.

In fact, only men who are able to hold onto their principles during the worst moments are strong. Weak men run away from conscience, using the excuse that times are “different and difficult.” They are not survivalists; they are terrorists in every sense.

These people should be avoided like the plague. They will make enemies wherever they go, ask you to do questionable things and push your community into annihilation. Eventually, somebody is going to put them out of their misery, and it’s best to not be around when that happens.

The Obsessive

The obsessive is a person whose drive is initially impressive but also ultimately destructive. His entire life revolves around survival prepping and impending doom. Certainly, it is better to be overly concerned about the economic crisis on the horizon than to be utterly oblivious. A smart man over-prepares. But there is such a thing as overkill, even in the world of survivalism.

No one can ever do enough fast enough in this person’s eyes. He will whine constantly about how he is the only one taking preparations seriously and how everyone else is a lazy bum. He will become frantic on a daily basis, admonishing the group or community on their lack of urgency. In a leadership position, this person is a nightmare, creating constant waves of tension and panic instead of calmly offering solutions or constructive criticism.

The obsessive’s motto is, “Let me tell you how you are wrong and why you are lazy,” instead of, “Tell me how I can help you fix this.”

We all need a break once in a while from the horrors we know are waiting for us. To step back and enjoy what we can of a beautiful day or good people is not the same as being a freeloader or a backslider within your prepper group. Survival is about more than sustaining the body; it is also about sustaining the heart and the mind. Otherwise, what is the point of living?

The Ulterior Motive Drama Queen

The drama queen is loosely interested in survivalism but wants to join your community for other reasons — and these reasons may cause many members dismay. The opposite of the obsessive, you’ll notice a strange non-involvement on his part or lack of interest as far as participating in survival discussion and decision making. He will often hand over all his survival preparation plans to others while hovering like a gnat around the community searching for that special something.

The drama queen may be looking for friends and social recognition. He may be afraid of collapse and simply trying to lock into any group regardless of whether he fits, becoming disenchanted later. He may enjoy the excitement of feeling like he is involved, and he is living vicariously through the accomplishments of others. He may just be looking for a date. Ultimately, his primary objective is not to build a working community, but to get something out of the community beyond safety.

If he does not get what he wants, he raises hell, using whatever excuse happens to be handy without ever admitting his real motivations. He will deliberately start unnecessary drama, attempt to create divisions, focus on one person as the cause of all his troubles or blame the whole group for the heartache in his life. He will attempt to draw everyone into his personal soap opera in the hopes of becoming the focal point, sharing strange and extremely private issues with anyone who accidentally offers to listen.

Eventually, he will be seen for what he is and will lose the ear of the other preppers, who obviously have better things to worry about, but only after wreaking some havoc in the process.

The Zealot

The zealot has a perfect picture in his mind of how his survival community is going to look — absolutely perfect. The problem is that all people are imperfect and all have different conceptions of life, and this disturbs and disrupts the zealot’s fantasy. It is one thing to be careful about whom you associate with when assembling a prepper organization, but it is entirely another to hold everyone to insane standards that even you cannot meet.

The zealot generally wants to be in charge so that he can vet and control each member of the group, but this is not always the case. Zealots are also sometimes highly antisocial, showing interest in a group for a short time and then suddenly walking away as if no one is up to par. He may base his zealotry on a misplaced religious fervor or philosophical inflexibility, but he will not be happy until everyone sees the world the way he does or until others meet his grandiose brand of moral flawlessness. For him, it is not enough that the community of preppers around him shares a love for liberty and a disdain for tyranny, the preppers must also be “spiritually pure” in his eyes.

One mistake or disagreement by a member of the group earns him a black mark on the zealot’s list which he never forgets. From then on, that member is the enemy, and the zealot will engineer conflict after conflict until the person gives up and goes away or until he can convince the group that the person is more trouble than he is worth.

The great dilemma for any survivalist is to balance personal freedom and a peaceful home life with the reality he will not last long without relying on a group. Other people bring talent, friendship and safety to our lives, but they also bring baggage. The key is to work with those who know how to manage as much of their own baggage as possible, who are aware of themselves and are willing to police their own quirks and who have not leapt off a cliff into extreme disturbia. No survival community can withstand the savage assault of national collapse otherwise.

I like em' all except for the nagnant. POJ
For war fighting:
Rifle AK47, M4
Shotgun: Mossberg 500. or Remington 870 depending on whether you perfer the safety on top or by the trigger. Me, it's simple safety on top, push forward to go bang (Mossberg)
Pistol: Glock 19
The only calibers you need to collect"
.22LR, 9mm X 18 luger, .45 ACP, (maybe .40) 12 gage, 7.62 X 39, 7.62 X 51, 5.56 X 45 (rem .223)
That's it, all you need.
.22 removes pests like rats and rioters and kills rabbits and squirrels
9mm stops someone attacking you PDQ
.45 stops tanks or anything smaller with one shot. Get hit in the toe with a .45 and you're a gonner!
12 gage does everything to killing squirrels to knocking doors out of the way to shooting through cinder block walls for those pesky fleeing criminals who just stole your best bottle of wine, to knocking out lights, to windshields, to, well the hoover dam!
7.62 X 39 is everywhere. In face excavate anywhere on earth and you will find a 8" layer of the stuff just after the triassic era!
5.56 X 45 (223 Rem) same as above, newer layer, have to dig through them to get to the rusky stuff
Swing a dead cat and you'll hit several boxes of the two above rifle rounds.
On the AK stuff, having been on the recieving end of those things, I don't like them. I don't like stuff that hurts me. I really don't like them, neither do my aircraft which they made whistle after meeting!
7.62 X 51 Fairly common, good hunting and anti personnel round out to 800 meters. Can you see further than that?

From Bobby:

Ok so I've been reading on here and other places about SHTF and TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it , no I do NOT think the world is going to end on dec 12 or 21st or whatever it is) stuff and the debate between calibers (5.56 vs 7.62 vs 5.45). I jut believe in being prepared for whatever comes, i.e. natural disaster,zombies or what not. I saw this post and I think the guy pretty much spoke truth. These are his words.

"To my military mind, although we get excited by make, model, physics, nationalism ("Amer'Can made" verses "Comblock"), what it comes down to is what you can do the work of life with. I choose my weapon system based on the same line of thought I choose my survivor friends: Who do I trust? Who is reliable? Who is available? Who brings what skills? Who is tough?

It seems the best defense in SHTF or welfare-ocolypse scenarios (when the government is unable to pay out checks and the "have-nots" attack the "haves") is to lay low. If it ever comes down, I do not intend to make a fortress that looks like it can repel any invader. I intend to all but dissapear. Thugs will always outnumber survivors, can always overtake defensive barriers. What they can't always do is see the unseen. If I get into squad or platoon level firefight, I have misplanned. I can use natural surroundings as a defense before I ever have to fire around. In a close quarters attack (0-250 meters) the AK and AR have different strengths. I know my AK can plug through an 8 inch aspen, but I know an AR has a smother firing rate due to the buffer-spring. But in many ways, they are on equal footing in a close fight: They will both poke holes in a man.

When it comes to distance, I intend not to fire. I intend to bug out, always moving. If I am contained by circumstance, such as seeing robbery or rape from a distance which I feel to stop, my Mosin-Nagant gives me a solution to around 800m. Same with my 7mm Mag.

In short, both are fine calibers and fine weapon systems. Take the one you know, trust, is accessible, and live. Also, as with anything, diversify (large caliber/combat caliber/small and pistol)."