Author Topic: 2010 F350 Extended Cab Cummins 24V Swap (Read 23181 times)

stlaser · « **Reply #400 on:** May 16, 2021, 04:52:47 PM »

1550 Spicer Non Serviceable Lifetime U-joints for the Fat 60

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stlaser · « **Reply #401 on:** June 07, 2021, 09:34:15 PM »

Pressing in ball joints

In addition I picked up a Dana 80 rear Detroit locker PN 915A652 it was NOS $300

So yes the rear axle trak lok was rebuilt using Yukon clutches and center chunk is already together laying under truck. However, I’m going to put it back on stands and swap this in. I’ll keep the trak lok as a backup or for another build in the future.

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stlaser · « **Reply #402 on:** June 08, 2021, 05:34:21 PM »

Another small piece of the puzzle solved today, these are the sleeves for the upper ball joint on the Superduty F550 front axle that correct the caster by 2 degrees after installing the leveling kit.

I ordered F350 ones originally not thinking about axle origin. After calling three places I was able to get ahold of SPC (Longmont, CO company btw) who gave me the correct pn and told me Oreilley’s is a stocking customer for their components.

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stlaser · « **Reply #403 on:** June 08, 2021, 05:39:00 PM »

Slot faces rear of truck, this tilts the knuckle 2 degrees correcting caster angle

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JR · « **Reply #404 on:** June 08, 2021, 05:47:29 PM »

stlaser · « **Reply #405 on:** June 08, 2021, 06:20:28 PM »

WARNING

FYI: this is correct orientation of these parts. If you follow Carli Suspension instructions you have a 50% chance of putting them in backwards which is what I did originally. The instructions contradict themselves, after looking at the axle a couple times I went back and reread it. I also deal with front end caster a lot so the average person may not have caught it.

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Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #406 on:** June 08, 2021, 08:12:52 PM »

That’s a good catch. The wedge, the slit there should be a better photo. Similar to what you have showing front of vehicle

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TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #407 on:** June 09, 2021, 07:57:58 AM »

So the “thin” part is referring to the wall of the cylinder and not the thickness of the flange on top?

Maybe them including an illustration for those that can’t read well...

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stlaser · « **Reply #408 on:** June 09, 2021, 02:17:32 PM »

Slight issue, Detroit I picked up wasn’t the abs model apparently. Old carrier had a step for this abs tooth ring to sit in on the carrier.

So I called Tate to see if they had a different abs ring, he then informed me it was an altogether different carrier for the ford application. I lucked out and the OD of carrier was still press fit for ID of tooth ring. Tate suggested I weld the ring in place, I agreed. It’s tack welded both sides in half a dozen places. I also did some precision measuring from ring gear seat area so it’s lined up correctly. Letting it cool now prior to reassembly.

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EL TATE · « **Reply #409 on:** June 09, 2021, 02:24:15 PM »

any speedo or ABS lights after installation, check the speed sensor. there is in and out and SHOULD be lateral adjustment in the mounting bracket as well, but good to check that prior to filling her up w/ dino blood too.

stlaser · « **Reply #410 on:** June 09, 2021, 03:40:32 PM »

Tate, thanks for tip / info. I did check it prior to installing cover. Best I can tell it looks good. Not to be misunderstood as say Ken saying H looks good though……

All back together

I swear that setup with the Eaton carrier versus oem trak lok is double the weight too. Probably not, but it’s definitely noticeably heavier. Kind of like H after her year long excuse tour as to why she lost again!

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EL TATE · « **Reply #411 on:** June 09, 2021, 05:17:41 PM »

factory t/l 34.6lbs, truetrac 47.8lbs, you're not crazy, just old. Maybe your wife or daughter could pickup that extra 13lbs for you?

EL TATE · « **Reply #412 on:** June 09, 2021, 05:18:27 PM »

Sorry, you lobbed a softball there, lol. looks good, should last you forever.

stlaser · « **Reply #413 on:** June 09, 2021, 06:50:09 PM »

Quote from: TexasRedNeck on June 09, 2021, 07:57:58 AM

So the “thin” part is referring to the wall of the cylinder and not the thickness of the flange on top?

Maybe them including an illustration for those that can’t read well...

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I don’t read instructions, I skim read and look at pictures. Gets me in trouble I guess. Fat part on top needs to be facing forward so it kicks top of knuckle towards rear which adds positive caster to the axle. When setting up a front axle 6-7 degrees positive caster is rule of thumb.

stlaser · « **Reply #414 on:** June 09, 2021, 06:51:59 PM »

Quote from: EL TATE on June 09, 2021, 05:17:41 PM

factory t/l 34.6lbs, truetrac 47.8lbs, you're not crazy, just old. Maybe your wife or daughter could pickup that extra 13lbs for you?

Thanks Tate, yeah I’ve been running miles and skipping gym lately. Glad the setup was technically done with the lighter carrier now looking back!

EL TATE · « **Reply #415 on:** June 10, 2021, 11:40:34 AM »

yeah, in and out with those diffs is no joke. Good isometrics.

stlaser · « **Reply #416 on:** June 10, 2021, 05:22:13 PM »

Upgraded ac compressor pulley to 8 rib versus 6 to match other pulleys and added a wider belt.

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stlaser · « **Reply #417 on:** June 16, 2021, 10:07:23 AM »

Knuckles back on front axle, ordered a set of outer axle tube seals from sealsit.com so working on compound mount setup now

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oldkoot · « **Reply #418 on:** June 16, 2021, 10:17:06 AM »

Man ya been working on that truck forever.....nice to see it's getting much closer. I have been collecting parts and intend to toss some ac in my crew soon...104 degrees here tomorrow they claim.

Welding on carriers..... always fun

stlaser · « **Reply #419 on:** June 16, 2021, 10:20:53 AM »

About six months now, probably would go quicker if I’d quit going down the rabbit hole on modifying everything

oldkoot · « **Reply #420 on:** June 16, 2021, 10:27:23 AM »

I can relate....a simple plan like tossing AC in the dodge turned into....well may as well get the OBA built, and I should likely carpet the floors, and I need new seats since no one will upholster anything under $800 a seat anymore. Which then leads to things such as cup holders and blah blah blah.......

JR · « **Reply #421 on:** June 16, 2021, 01:42:28 PM »

Whats the fun of doing stock on a custom build?

stlaser · « **Reply #422 on:** June 16, 2021, 02:24:38 PM »

Quote from: JR on June 16, 2021, 01:42:28 PM

Whats the fun of doing stock on a custom build?

Technically I’m not on a time frame, it gets done when it’s done. Hope to have the chassis back to a roller in a couple weeks

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #423 on:** June 17, 2021, 06:54:51 AM »

Quote from: oldkoot on June 16, 2021, 10:17:06 AM

Man ya been working on that truck forever.....nice to see it's getting much closer. I have been collecting parts and intend to toss some ac in my crew soon...104 degrees here tomorrow they claim.

Welding on carriers..... always fun

well well. Look what the cat drug in….Howdy!

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KensAuto · « **Reply #424 on:** June 17, 2021, 11:57:20 AM »

Quote from: TexasRedNeck on June 17, 2021, 06:54:51 AM

Quote from: oldkoot on June 16, 2021, 10:17:06 AM
Man ya been working on that truck forever.....nice to see it's getting much closer. I have been collecting parts and intend to toss some ac in my crew soon...104 degrees here tomorrow they claim.

Welding on carriers..... always fun
well well. Look what the cat drug in….Howdy!

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And just like that, he's gone.

stlaser · « **Reply #425 on:** June 17, 2021, 01:12:12 PM »

So some scrap tube, time and about $50 for two flanges I was able to get second turbo mounted. Still need to fab up support brace for it and then put some paint on it.

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TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #426 on:** June 17, 2021, 06:24:04 PM »

That’s going to be awesome

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stlaser · « **Reply #427 on:** June 17, 2021, 07:27:41 PM »

Quote from: TexasRedNeck on June 17, 2021, 06:24:04 PM

That’s going to be awesome

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Hope so, just want to get it back to a roller at this point.

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #428 on:** June 17, 2021, 09:26:00 PM »

You gonna re clock the housing to get the primary output pointing closer to the intake for the secondary? Trying to visualize

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stlaser · « **Reply #429 on:** June 17, 2021, 09:46:48 PM »

Quote from: TexasRedNeck on June 17, 2021, 09:26:00 PM

You gonna re clock the housing to get the primary output pointing closer to the intake for the secondary? Trying to visualize

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Yeah, things need oriented. Going to get oil inlet outlet set correctly then worry about primary routing later. Plenty of guys have done this on a fummins so I know it will work. Most likely once I drop cab back down onto chassis. My biggest concern was getting large turbo tucked up close to the block. It needs to be 11” from pass side of block out to farthest point now that I’m thinking about it I should probably measure that to double check it. Need new down pipe to as the one I had purchased for single isn’t large enough for the new big turbo.

Alcan rear springs showed up today, I’ll get pics tomorrow. I ordered 5100 bilsteins for rear and am in process of ordering new rear u-bolts as well. I’m going to modify a set of bolt on Sterling rear axle lower shock mounts to work with the Dana 80 axle.

stlaser · « **Reply #430 on:** June 17, 2021, 09:49:07 PM »

Charles, something like this

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stlaser · « **Reply #431 on:** June 17, 2021, 09:52:54 PM »

Charles, I’ll likely move that air filter towards front more and try to draw in cooler air possibly shield it from the engine compartment. I’m relocating batteries to passenger side of frame behind cab. Going to fab up a drop down box for ease of access under flat bed and open up more room under the hood.

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #432 on:** June 17, 2021, 10:12:46 PM »

Duh. My bad. The big one blow through the little one.

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stlaser · « **Reply #433 on:** June 17, 2021, 10:52:31 PM »

Quote from: TexasRedNeck on June 17, 2021, 10:12:46 PM

Duh. My bad. The big one blow through the little one.

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Correct, so little one should help with low end and mid range with big boy kicking in to help with mid range and top end. Less lag, mechanical pump with afc live so tuning the fuel in the cab is possible. Still a long way to go but I’m excited.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #434 on:** June 28, 2021, 08:28:08 AM »

Quote from: stlaser on June 17, 2021, 01:12:12 PM

So some scrap tube, time and about $50 for two flanges I was able to get second turbo mounted. Still need to fab up support brace for it and then put some paint on it.

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Seriously, some great work there S!
You should open a shop or something

;-))

stlaser · « **Reply #435 on:** July 06, 2021, 02:00:50 PM »

Was going to have the front as a roller again today and then realized the F350 unit bearings come with roughly 1/2” shorter studs than needed for F550 knuckles. After some research Dorman makes a kit of 4 studs and 4 nuts PN- 917515 for the original F550 unit bearings. Ordered 2 sets of those from Oreileys and they will be here tomorrow afternoon late now. In addition I had to buy another wheel speed sensor as the new one on the unit bearing was broke in transit.

Now to work on hanging rear Alcan leaf springs

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JR · « **Reply #436 on:** July 06, 2021, 02:13:15 PM »

Just redid my entire front end, lots of little similar issues.

stlaser · « **Reply #437 on:** July 06, 2021, 04:33:17 PM »

So the Alcan springs were built backwards, should have stayed at home today……

I was able to get the updated tensioner mount installed and it’s perfect. Hats off to Mike Fuchs who build fummins swap parts. He took care of me on this project, stand up guy. He had an issue with his design and went above and beyond to make it right. Before and after pics

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JR · « **Reply #438 on:** July 06, 2021, 06:23:14 PM »

Much better clearance, nice work on both parties.

stlaser · « **Reply #439 on:** July 06, 2021, 08:55:51 PM »

Quote from: Flyin6 on June 28, 2021, 08:28:08 AM

Quote from: stlaser on June 17, 2021, 01:12:12 PM

So some scrap tube, time and about $50 for two flanges I was able to get second turbo mounted. Still need to fab up support brace for it and then put some paint on it.

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Seriously, some great work there S!
You should open a shop or something

;-))

Appreciate the kind words

stlaser · « **Reply #440 on:** July 15, 2021, 10:04:47 AM »

So…… I put the big f550 brakes back on the truck. Then proceeded to install a set of 35-12.50R18’s & no bueno. Brakes are contacting the wheels. No I don’t want to grind calipers as I want off shelf parts to use on this truck.

So I could use these wheels and tires on excursion here in a month or two when I put a 2.5” level kit on it but think 35’s will rub. Or I could use these on fummins still and run thin wheel spacers. 1/2” max, think 1/4” would be enough though.

Open to discussion unless your name is Ken and or if your name is Dave and resides in Mormon country….

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KensAuto · « **Reply #441 on:** July 15, 2021, 10:11:07 AM »

26's. Done

stlaser · « **Reply #442 on:** July 15, 2021, 10:48:33 AM »

Quote from: KensAuto on July 15, 2021, 10:11:07 AM

26's. Done

Negative homie…..

So I stuck a couple 1/4” tabs behind the wheel on several studs. 1/2” total and it barely rubs…..

I think different wheels are in order.

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #443 on:** July 15, 2021, 11:25:37 AM »

20s. I don’t like spacers if at all possible. Tire choices are better than 22s or 24s or 30s like Ken recommends.

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JR · « **Reply #444 on:** July 15, 2021, 12:25:46 PM »

But its wheels and tires guys. If he has the stud for it, 1/2 spacers would be OK, not the best mind you.

EL TATE · « **Reply #445 on:** July 15, 2021, 12:45:56 PM »

My Les Schwab days are echoing in my brain. Spacers are a no go for me, too many catastrophes we had to warranty out until my store at least phased them out of policy.
I would grind the caliper without a second thought, paint them up and roll but that's me. you can still go off shelf parts moving forward with the knowledge you have to modify said parts. I would not go smaller brakes, and bigger wheel/tire combo seems like $$$ to me. if you can find longer studs and a spacer that doesn't bolt to the hub while maintaining the center hub pilot contact with the wheel I'd feel OK about it, but not great. big tires, heavy cummins all point towards bolts stuff working loose. $0.02

stlaser · « **Reply #446 on:** July 15, 2021, 01:21:05 PM »

Yeah, I’m not doing spacers. Rear is one thing, front another. I’ll use these wheels and tires on the excursion and make them work. Could grind calipers and have done that in the past on various vehicles but if a caliper goes I want to bolt a new one on and go is my thinking. No issue here in shop but if I’m on road somewhere then another story.

EL TATE · « **Reply #447 on:** July 15, 2021, 01:48:39 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on July 15, 2021, 01:21:05 PM

No issue here in shop but if I’m on road somewhere then another story.

didn't think about that aspect of it. suppose you could carry one around, but that's pretty impractical.

KensAuto · « **Reply #448 on:** July 15, 2021, 03:31:05 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on July 15, 2021, 01:21:05 PM

Yeah, I’m not doing spacers. Rear is one thing, front another. I’ll use these wheels and tires on the excursion and make them work. Could grind calipers and have done that in the past on various vehicles but if a caliper goes I want to bolt a new one on and go is my thinking. No issue here in shop but if I’m on road somewhere then another story.

And how often do calipers go out on the road especially on a mostly road truck?
I can count on one hand how many I've seen in 35 years.... and most of those were from people running the pads down until the pistons popped.

I may have said 26s, but I meant 30s. Thanks Charles. Question is, gold spokes, or is that too flashy?

EL TATE · « **Reply #449 on:** July 15, 2021, 03:38:24 PM »

Quote from: KensAuto on July 15, 2021, 03:31:05 PM

Quote from: stlaser on July 15, 2021, 01:21:05 PM
Yeah, I’m not doing spacers. Rear is one thing, front another. I’ll use these wheels and tires on the excursion and make them work. Could grind calipers and have done that in the past on various vehicles but if a caliper goes I want to bolt a new one on and go is my thinking. No issue here in shop but if I’m on road somewhere then another story.
And how often do calipers go out on the road especially on a mostly road truck?
I can count on one hand how many I've seen in 35 years.... and most of those were from people running the pads down until the pistons popped.

I may have said 26s, but I meant 30s. Thanks Charles. Question is, gold spokes, or is that too flashy?

150 spoke Daytons, 13"s on a 45* camber