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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #250 on: May 19, 2015, 10:31:38 PM »
I'm building this almost exactly according to the plans which I am finding easy to use

Here's the wall installed
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« Reply #251 on: May 19, 2015, 10:32:47 PM »
Actually, walls
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« Reply #252 on: May 19, 2015, 10:33:13 PM »
Or put a basement under a slab.

Kentucky has lots of caves...

That would be great to have on your property!

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« Reply #253 on: May 19, 2015, 10:33:57 PM »
Then the door opening. Every joint is both glued and screwed for strength
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« Reply #254 on: May 19, 2015, 10:34:23 PM »
Or put a basement under a slab.

Kentucky has lots of caves...

That would be great to have on your property!
Sure would!
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #255 on: May 19, 2015, 10:35:54 PM »
That's all the materials I had so I set the pre-rangers to work with a bucket of Kihl's primer/sealer for exterior application
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« Reply #256 on: May 19, 2015, 10:40:00 PM »
I went off and cut 2 acres of lawn while they got some paint on the structure. They also got it all over each other, later under intense interrogation I got the little one to crack. They had a paint fight! Yep, all over them. And all over that new black haired shepherd, all over the red dog, all over the sled dog who managed to rub some on my Toureg, and of course all over the patio. Did I mention they were wearing clothes we had just bought them?

Anyway I made them use that orange pumice to scrub themselves in their skivvies while I hosed them off with cold water (Building character) and went back myself to finish the first coat and paint on a second one
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« Reply #257 on: May 19, 2015, 10:41:27 PM »
I'll think about getting to the roof framing and possibly sheeting tomorrow
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #258 on: May 19, 2015, 10:51:17 PM »
I went off and cut 2 acres of lawn while they got some paint on the structure. They also got it all over each other, later under intense interrogation I got the little one to crack. They had a paint fight! Yep, all over them. And all over that new black haired shepherd, all over the red dog, all over the sled dog who managed to rub some on my Toureg, and of course all over the patio. Did I mention they were wearing clothes we had just bought them?

Anyway I made them use that orange pumice to scrub themselves in their skivvies while I hosed them off with cold water (Building character) and went back myself to finish the first coat and paint on a second one

and what!?  did you really expect something that we all did as kids to not happen.................?

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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #259 on: May 19, 2015, 10:51:38 PM »
18x24 window.  Not sure that will suffice as a means of egress in the event of contact front.  You aint exactly svelte there Don....thus the BIG in Big Don....

While you were hosing the pre rangers off in cold water did you make them do flutter kicks?  Future seals....
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #260 on: May 20, 2015, 01:16:47 AM »
Careful, CPS will be after you!!

I bet you make them walk home from school sometimes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Will it look like this;
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #261 on: May 20, 2015, 01:37:00 AM »
Not sure if you have decided on a house yet but I found these guys http://www.amishcabincompany.com/. They have off-grid cabin kits and have cabin displays in Kentucky if you wanted to check them out. Not a shop and home combo but a nice little living quarters. I didn't check the prices though so I'm not sure what it would run or what exactly you want.
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« Reply #262 on: May 20, 2015, 09:51:50 AM »
Not sure if you have decided on a house yet but I found these guys http://www.amishcabincompany.com/. They have off-grid cabin kits and have cabin displays in Kentucky if you wanted to check them out. Not a shop and home combo but a nice little living quarters. I didn't check the prices though so I'm not sure what it would run or what exactly you want.
I do know about them, not all that far from me, here.

Spoke with them and got a quote for a "T" arrangement at 90K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #263 on: May 20, 2015, 09:52:15 AM »
Careful, CPS will be after you!!

I bet you make them walk home from school sometimes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Will it look like this;

At times I guess it might...
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #264 on: May 20, 2015, 09:58:10 AM »
One structure that I seem to keep coming back to is a Monitor style barn. Versatile, roomy, interesting spaces, some lofted spaces which I like to be able to look out from a high vantage point and a pole barn which is pretty economical to construct

Now your talkin! Love those, for all the reasons you mentioned. My folks are getting ready to build again and dads going to build a monitor style shop. I particularly like the high vantage point, in the upper middle portion, hadn't thought of that until you mentioned it.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #265 on: May 20, 2015, 11:51:30 AM »
hey now, I think there are a few of us on here that would have absolutely no problem using that fine building as long as we didn't have to utilize a mixture of mogas and jp-8 to burn what it was that  we evacuated from our systems........  ;D

we all know that MRS flyin6 will never, ever, be asked to conduct such duties, but on the other hand, I  think we have many such vol-in-tolds for such a mission......... :o

I am guessing such folks like
the flyin 6 pre-rangers
the dustoff pre-ranger
ken
tate
bob
the guy from the land of Obama (mike, still love yah!)
that electrician guy from mass
I think there is a guy from LA/TX that does a lot of heavy equipment stuff (ash)
the guy that used to own great lakes off road and is now taking some family time (shawn)
we have a suit from TX (R/N)

oh what the heck, everybody gets a turn doing this!

I think that looks like a perfectly good waste of fuel. what's wrong with a pit septic? I'll help dig the hole, but not eager to smell that barbecue!
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #266 on: May 20, 2015, 11:58:11 AM »
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
Food for thought. That is not a real deep hole. Not sure on intended duration for use, drainage and soil makeup.
If it's just a short term thing it will probably suffice, but for long term I'd want to go deeper. Also if you keep paper products out of it, the natural process is more efficient and effective. Septabs I think is what I put in mine a couple times a year to get it working, probably other variants to do the same.
These are not something you want to deal with too many times, I need to redo the original at my cabin this year. No idea how deep it was, 20 years old or so. I'm planning on 4 x 4 x 7-8 deep.

And yes, character building project.  :D

Trust the man that does this on the regular. I've also done these along the pacific crest trail as part of an Eagle Scout project. for long term staying power, 6' min is my recommendation. We had to help each other out of our holes.
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« Reply #267 on: May 20, 2015, 12:42:33 PM »
Guess I'm a little late on my contributions; good call on the privy, like the idea of the metal buildings, and I'm willing to bet that Amish wood might even outlast steel.
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« Reply #268 on: May 20, 2015, 12:43:48 PM »
burning the poop really does not take all that much diesel, and you only have to use a cup of gasoline to start it.  as far as the smell, just make sure that you are burning it down range.
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« Reply #269 on: May 20, 2015, 12:55:47 PM »
NEVER get down wind.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #270 on: May 20, 2015, 01:39:38 PM »
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
Food for thought. That is not a real deep hole. Not sure on intended duration for use, drainage and soil makeup.
If it's just a short term thing it will probably suffice, but for long term I'd want to go deeper. Also if you keep paper products out of it, the natural process is more efficient and effective. Septabs I think is what I put in mine a couple times a year to get it working, probably other variants to do the same.
These are not something you want to deal with too many times, I need to redo the original at my cabin this year. No idea how deep it was, 20 years old or so. I'm planning on 4 x 4 x 7-8 deep.

And yes, character building project.  :D

Trust the man that does this on the regular. I've also done these along the pacific crest trail as part of an Eagle Scout project. for long term staying power, 6' min is my recommendation. We had to help each other out of our holes.

6 feet!

Holy crap!

^ that was a funny there^
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« Reply #271 on: May 20, 2015, 04:15:29 PM »
Ya see, it's funny because we were talking about a hole... for crap... and it's a big hole... :o
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #272 on: May 20, 2015, 05:01:32 PM »
One aspect I didn't see addressed: 

-vent stack
Mrs. 6 will appreciate it much more, if you use one, which has a diameter larger than the entry hole- path of least resistance is used by stench too!  With lid down and large vent, little stink at all!
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« Reply #273 on: May 20, 2015, 07:31:41 PM »
One aspect I didn't see addressed: 

-vent stack
Mrs. 6 will appreciate it much more, if you use one, which has a diameter larger than the entry hole- path of least resistance is used by stench too!  With lid down and large vent, little stink at all!
There is a 3.5" vent stack in the plans

It will get installed
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« Reply #274 on: May 20, 2015, 08:47:15 PM »
also on that vent stack should be one of those whirly thingies to assist with removing the gasses that will accumulate.
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« Reply #275 on: May 20, 2015, 09:13:45 PM »
also on that vent stack should be one of those whirly thingies to assist with removing the gasses that will accumulate.
Thought about putting an exhaust tip on there

But only for a moment...!
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« Reply #276 on: May 20, 2015, 09:24:31 PM »
Holster mounted on the door immediately in front of the throne.....
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« Reply #277 on: May 20, 2015, 10:39:19 PM »
also on that vent stack should be one of those whirly thingies to assist with removing the gasses that will accumulate.
Thought about putting an exhaust tip on there

But only for a moment...!

Dual chrome stacks?

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« Reply #278 on: May 21, 2015, 02:53:55 AM »
Dual chrome stacks?

You beat me to it. Plan approved only if they are 8-10" in diameter...
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« Reply #279 on: May 27, 2015, 03:32:50 PM »
Don, saw these and thought of your property and springs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0laNqJWY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFZYD05I29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpClMTWtqXg

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« Reply #280 on: May 27, 2015, 04:04:49 PM »
What do you know about micro hydro ? One of my buddies is suggesting this for my place. 
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« Reply #281 on: May 27, 2015, 05:45:25 PM »
Not a lot, other than just basic physics, conceptual hydraulics, etc...

I think the hardest part would be keeping the pipes/pumps/impellers/valves etc clean from debris in the original water source. Seems like folks like to build a dam of sorts, and then screen/filter the water before it enters their systems.

Obviously, for this to work, you've got to have elevation differential from the water source to be able to built gravity induced pressure. That water throughput, with pressure, can then either drive an electric generator (21st century water wheel), or be used to feed a ram pump, which then delivers a reduced quantity of water back uphill to an alternate location.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #282 on: May 27, 2015, 05:55:50 PM »
Kyle-

you should move this post or duplicate it as a topic of it's own within the thread for ease of location as a valuable resource- cool stuff!
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« Reply #283 on: May 27, 2015, 06:33:22 PM »
I will start another thread
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« Reply #284 on: May 27, 2015, 07:44:35 PM »
Cool.  Understand the physics, just need more practical information like head height, flow rates, and equipment sizing.  I'd like a combination of solar, wind and hydro to take advantage of what's available.  Solar will probably take another 5 years to mature to something that makes economic sense.  I look forward to your post.

Sorry to DOT.  I thought Don might be interested if he had springs.
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« Reply #285 on: May 27, 2015, 08:14:08 PM »
Cool.  Understand the physics, just need more practical information like head height, flow rates, and equipment sizing.  I'd like a combination of solar, wind and hydro to take advantage of what's available.  Solar will probably take another 5 years to mature to something that makes economic sense.  I look forward to your post.

Sorry to DOT.  I thought Don might be interested if he had springs.

I am interested, and I do have springs. On one end of the farm it is down grade along a big spur, perhaps 2 miles long, maybe a bit less. Where the land makes a drop I have a pond. It has always been at exactly the same level. After rain after drought, same-same. Near it is a perpetual wet spot, and near that I recently discovered a very old settler's well. A round stone affair which has water in it as well. Near that is another cavity that has filled with debris.

I plan to dig in there someday soon and see what's going on...hope I don't hit oil!
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« Reply #286 on: May 27, 2015, 08:20:41 PM »
So today, I spent a lot of the day out in rural Kentucky looking at a couple Excavators. The more I thought about it, the more I thought I could really use one to develop the farm and actually get something done.

I found this beauty and am now talking to the owner about a purchase
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« Reply #287 on: May 27, 2015, 08:23:06 PM »
On the build stuff, I cut out the throne seat panel and built some roof rafters and screwed in the reinforcement for the seat. That got primed as well, so bit by bit I am closing in on getting the Privy to completion

It's fun work believe it or not!
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« Reply #288 on: May 27, 2015, 10:24:51 PM »
Wow Don what a piece of equipment to have!  I have rented those before and loved it. Can I ask how many acres is the farm?

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« Reply #289 on: May 27, 2015, 10:27:29 PM »
the thumb makes all the difference. 
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« Reply #290 on: May 27, 2015, 10:47:29 PM »
Wow Don what a piece of equipment to have!  I have rented those before and loved it. Can I ask how many acres is the farm?
Right now it's 92...Looking at adding 160 in the near future, then 78 more and finally 60 more. Lots of timber as well
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« Reply #291 on: May 27, 2015, 10:50:52 PM »
the thumb makes all the difference. 
It is essential for pulling out the trees, couldn't work without it.

I haven't operated one of these before, but I have owned loaders, back-hoes, run cranes, and played all over stuff. I think it's like anything, just have to get used to it
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« Reply #292 on: May 27, 2015, 10:51:25 PM »
That Case is purrrdy.
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« Reply #293 on: May 27, 2015, 10:54:21 PM »
Got a trailer for it.  It could potentially generate additional income. Like at my place.
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« Reply #294 on: May 27, 2015, 10:58:22 PM »
I reckon with 300+ acres to manage that 4 series Deere is going to get purdy small :)
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« Reply #295 on: May 27, 2015, 11:39:56 PM »

Right now it's 92...Looking at adding 160 in the near future, then 78 more and finally 60 more. Lots of timber as well
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Sounds fantastic. Are you looking at a sawmill for lumber?

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« Reply #296 on: May 28, 2015, 07:51:02 AM »
I'd love me a portable sawmill at my place.  Big rough sawn timber is awesome.  Its on my list of things to have, beg, borrow or build.
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« Reply #297 on: May 28, 2015, 08:17:49 AM »
There is also variants that use your chainsaws.
Obviously the dedicated 'saw' is probably the better option.
here is one that a quick google search turned up.
I have not personally seen these work. They just look pretty cool.

http://www.norwoodsawmills.com/products-sawmills/portamill-pm14-chainsaw-sawmill
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« Reply #298 on: May 28, 2015, 08:56:17 AM »

Right now it's 92...Looking at adding 160 in the near future, then 78 more and finally 60 more. Lots of timber as well

Sounds fantastic. Are you looking at a sawmill for lumber?
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I have lusted over them for some time like the wood mizer one shown. It's local in Indy, but the Canadians make a great unit as well, maybe the best, and I like that one as well. Mid teens is costly, but if you play around with cheapo junk, you'll just have to fix, suffer down time, or upgrade later. I have talked to Duane about doing a side business with all the trees we have, thousands of them and saw up our own timber and actually build each of our families cabins from the lumber. How cool would that be?
But I have fiscal limitations. Maybe this web site will make me millions or my rich uncle will die in the poor house, or I'll hit the lottery (Which I don't play) or better yet, a 50 pound solid gold meteor will gently fall onto my property!
Until one of the above, its the local lumber yard for me!
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #299 on: May 28, 2015, 01:47:11 PM »
Don given your fabricating talent have you thought of making your own mill? Just an example http://www.sawmillplans.com/ has what look to be detailed plans . With the cost of lumber these days it might be worth it.

 

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