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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: September 14, 2019, 11:37:55 PM »
Conditions:
Engine warmed up, idling, preferably in the shade to keep windshield/dash temps down.
A/C on, blower speed high, recirculation (max).
Vent temp as close to as bad as you've seen (if you check pressures while the vent temp is close to normal, the pressures will probably be close to normal).

Report back.

Along with water pump going out on the truck, the son's (the one overseas) house getting some storm damage and the grandson truck getting hit while he was parked in his school parking lot I was able to get the cages on the truck today.

Outside temp = 96 degrees
Static=engine off
High side = 95 PSI
Low Side = 90 PSI

Inside temp set a 68 degrees on recirculate / max after 5 minute cool down air in the center duct was coming out at 50 degrees

Idle
High side = 290 PSI
Low side = 52 PSI

What do you think Ken?

I also have a new problem: when I was checking the cages the clutch never disengaged with even turning the inside temp up to 80 degrees on both sides. I could hear the old compressor before it locked up engaging and disengaging so that would make me thing that it is the new clutch on the compressor.

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: September 09, 2019, 11:10:15 AM »
Father, raise up this young man as he sets himself against the enemies of this great nation. Watch over him today, tomorrow, and every day and comfort him and his family (Mom and dad especially) as the anniversary of loss comes. Let them not dwell on the temporary loss, but on the reuniting of them all some day in your great house.
And Father, while you're at it, watch over all our brave servants wherever they are. Fire fighters, police, warriors, Doctors and Nurses. Watch over the comforters and those who suffered loss. We are your people and for a time we are in this physical world of which we are merely passers-by enroute to our eternal home. But in this time we are allowed to learn lessons. Some good, and some not so good. I lift up those in times of trouble, strife, sadness, loneliness, pain or other affliction.
Thank you father for being you!
Amen.

Thank you Don and all the others for the prayers

Steve

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D.O.T. / Re: WDYDT (What Did You Do Today)
« on: September 08, 2019, 09:19:30 PM »
We need real man tshirts!

Don should get on that

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: September 08, 2019, 09:17:23 PM »
Men,

Tomorrow (Monday 9/9/19) will be 8 years that we have lost our Hero in Afghanistan. With the other son being in Al Udied has kind of put the family on edge a little more this year. Please lift a prayer for peace for my family.

Thanks
Steve

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Faith Discussion / Re: church clothes
« on: September 08, 2019, 09:11:21 PM »
In my young adult years we had a pig farmer that would come to church in his overalls and had the smell of pigs about him because he came from feeding them. The ushers tried to get him to sit in the back until they connected him with the much larger plate offering when he was there. After that they let him sit any place in the church. I go to church to hear and learn the Word of GOD and serve his people.

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D.O.T. / Re: WDYDT (What Did You Do Today)
« on: September 08, 2019, 09:58:46 AM »
Been a fun filled few days (NOT)! Came out of work on Thursday to a coolant wet spot under the drivers side front of my Duramax. Topped off the coolant started the drive home (64 miles) stopped and picked up a new water pump and made it home. Changed clothes went out and pulled the cooling stack and all the plastic stuff tried the fan clutch but would not move all in 96 deg weather, 1 soaked T shirt it was time to call it a night. Day 2 went out tapped the fan and it came off! Got it apart and going back together to the point of finding out the water pump didn't come with the  rings for the cross over tube (What kind of company doesn't put all the seals you need in with the part you are buying!), Had to stop because the wife's new appliances got delivered the fridge she got was too large for the opening! I had to un-install a cabnet and move it over so it would fit, in all 3 T shirt day which was followed up by watching the oldest grandson play high school football. He broke up 3 passes, blocked and extra point and had or was in on 3 sacks. Yeasterday was finished up by installing everything, ops and leak check good! The wife tried to help by mowing while I was finishing up the truck, her first time on the zero turn. She about ran over me, Leasson #1 never stand in front of a mower trying to tell someone how to use the mower. Good things I am some what still quick on my feet. She also hit the neighbor's fence so I will need to fix that.

Other leasson learned: 2# Have waterpumps go out when it isn't 90 + degrees outside. 3# on unique parts (cross over tube O rings) just go to the dealer and be done with it in place of running around trying to find something that will work. #4 when the repair shop wants $800 to replace the water pump they may not just trying to take you for dollars it could be that the job is a PIA. #5 When changing waterpumps in 90+ degree weather buy more T shirts!

That is all 

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: September 02, 2019, 05:46:46 PM »
I'm just worried that if it is an issue with the condenser, your new compressor won't be new for long.
Pressures would tell you if it's plugged.

Very good point that I didn't think of. Plans with the family this evening I will try and get the readings tomorrow afternoon

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What are you building? / Re: Whole house water filtration system
« on: September 02, 2019, 12:03:17 AM »
City, last house before the county takes over. But they don't know about building codes

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What are you building? / Whole house water filtration system
« on: September 01, 2019, 03:10:12 PM »
I live in small town USA and to say our city water is ok is being very nice, we get Ozark for drinking and cooking. The town has a awesome water treatment plant, they had gotten a grant and put in a reverse osmosis treatment system. The bad part is that this great water gets put in 100+ year old pipe and yes some of it is still lead! White stay usable for about 6 months after that it is time to get new stuff.

My question is has anyone installed a whole house filtration system? Pros and Cons of the system you installed? Are they worth it? and anything else you may want to give

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D.O.T. / Re: WDYDT (What Did You Do Today)
« on: September 01, 2019, 09:12:43 AM »
Worked outside most of the day on the yard and boat project. Came inside and was told that we needed to drive to the city 70 miles) to get a new washer, dryer and refrigerator. Spencer more money than I wanted but it made the wife happy. Now for a little rant. My wife is in charge of the county drug court among other special programs and I have been a cop along with a NCO in the military. The state has approved the use of "medical pot" I'm not a big fan. I took the wife to dinner at Olive Garden  and the waiter that showed up to out table smells of pot, pupils are wide open. Very slow service and very strange, he felt the need to show us how flex straws work. What the heck, big mistake Oklahoma with making that crap legal. 

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: August 31, 2019, 11:20:52 AM »
The truck is cooling better at idle but not great. Going down the road it will flat freeze you out of the truck! I get 48 deg air out of the ducts! Currently I think I should have replaced the condenser but with it working so well over all I may just say good enough for now and replace it the next time I have to get in the system or when I get mad at it. Ken I can get the pressure readings if you think that it would lead us to a different cause.

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Drones, Boats, Flying and Floating Things / Re: A new project
« on: August 31, 2019, 10:33:10 AM »
After my recent medical issue the wife hasn't been wanting/letting me do much out side because of the heat. Something about I'm worth more dead than alive but she wants to keep me around a few more years  :undecided:. Took the day off work yesterday and worked on it most of the day. New wiring done, carbs rebuilt, all rubber lines replaced new spark plugs. Need to replace the pitot and hose and install the new depth finder.

Engine problem that has me stumped. The engine will start and run fine but as it warms up it will go from idle to full throttle un-commanded and will not shut down unless you pump the primer or cut off the air to the crab. I have check and can't find any air leaks. I have pulled the carbs off again and re-checked the float level, rechecked the spark plug gap. I'm not that familiar with boat engines but I'm getting exhaust out of the side of the lower unit and from around the prop. Any suggestion?

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: August 29, 2019, 09:07:53 PM »
prayer

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Faith Discussion / My God is an awesome God
« on: August 18, 2019, 10:10:23 PM »
The last week has been very crazy, emotional roll a coaster. I am fairly health  but a week ago Friday I was told that I had stage 4 kidney failure by 2 doctors got into a specialist who said the same thing he took me off some meds but didn't think it would help. Scheduled me for a biopsy the next day that doctor said that I showed signs of sever kidney problems from the procedure. Go back to the specialist on Friday he said that the biopsy and my blood work was mostly normal, very minor damage to kidneys from high blood pressure. The specialist wanted to take credit for taking me off some meds but I corrected him that he wasn't the Great Physician Jesus is. That my friends is the joy of serving a loving God that listens to our prayers. Sorry I didn't ask for Prayers but my son that is over sea has been talking about joining our forum and I didn't want him to find out before I could tell him.

Stage 4 kidney failure to normal in a week that will make your head spin.

My God is an Awesome God 

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: August 18, 2019, 09:31:10 PM »
Cleaned the cooling stack it may have done the trick but the test will be tomorrow afternoon more to come

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Drones, Boats, Flying and Floating Things / Re: A new project
« on: August 18, 2019, 01:16:01 PM »
I have the new switch installed and working on running new wires to everything but with the heat index being 100+ this hasn't been high on the priority list. I do have the carburetor rebuild kits on order and waiting for them to come in.



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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: August 14, 2019, 08:29:53 PM »
Do you have a set of gauges? Pressures would help diagnose.

Yes I do. I check the fan clutch and with as hard as I could spin the fan (with the cover in place) I was only able to get about 1/3 of a rotation on the fan.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: August 13, 2019, 10:41:38 PM »
First question I would ask is what temp do you consider "not cold enough" at idle? Out here right now, we're lucky to get them in the high 50's at an idle, with the blower set on high.

The blower module would just prevent it from blowing air out the vents.
If it's blowing, but just blows less cold (and there's actually an issue), then it's either building too much pressure (radiator fins plugged, bad fan clutch, etc.), too much oil in the system (did you make sure the compressor didn't come pre-charged with oil?), or the condenser is restricted internally. I assume the compressor stays engaged, at idle, when it quits cooling? How much r134 did you charge it with? Did you pull a decent vacuum (at least 25in)?  There are other things, but I listed the most common.

Why is it I have the feeling Ken is about to say I told you so?

AT 100 deg outside temp and a 5 minute cool down at idle with the compressor clutch engaged the temp set at 68 on both sides with the fan on high the air out of the vents is reading 89 deg.

The compressor came dry per O'Reilly's and I turned it upside down and let it sit for 30 minutes and no oil came out(it is a Murray) I put 7.1 ounces of oil (amount I got from the Chevy dealership/ O'Reilly's  told me 7.7) spinning the compressor 30 times in each direction to prevent hydro lock. I pulled a vacuum of 29 inches for 4 hours and it held it for 2 hours. I put in 2.7 pounds per a cheap set of digital scales.

I'll try cleaning out the cooling stack and check the fan clutch. I have a bad feeling that those micro tubes may have gotten me

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: August 12, 2019, 09:33:40 PM »
Micro tube? Who comes up with this stuff? Thanks Ken I called the service manager and he said that it was 7.1 ounces so that is what I went with. The thing is cooling great now except this thing doesn't cool well at a stop. I don't know if it is all of these trucks or just mine?

that is EXACTLY what mine was doing right before the resistor/heat sink finned aluminum bs whatever you call it, (help Ken) fried itself. strong ozone smell for a few days then it stopped blowing cold altogether. easy to get to when you pop the glove box out, took about 20 min to replace. not too expensive either. just can't remember the darned name.
The blower control module? If cleaning the cooling stack doesn't fix it I will look into swap that out

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: August 12, 2019, 09:28:35 PM »
When did you last clean the cooling stack?
You’re likely clogged with grass feathers dirt etc if you haven’t in the last couple years.

I’m due again been a few years now 5-6 and I’m having same thing.
A little throttle to get fan moving air cools immediately.
Mine is clogged again. A bit of a pain to clean but possibly your issue now.

I did that about 3 years ago, that may be it and it sure wouldn't hurt to give it a good clean even if it isn't.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Durmax AC problem
« on: August 11, 2019, 10:36:35 PM »
Micro tube? Who comes up with this stuff? Thanks Ken I called the service manager and he said that it was 7.1 ounces so that is what I went with. The thing is cooling great now except this thing doesn't cool well at a stop. I don't know if it is all of these trucks or just mine?

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Durmax AC problem
« on: August 09, 2019, 09:32:19 PM »
The hottest part of the year and my AC compressor decided to lock up. I replaced the compressor, lines, orifice tube and accumulator and flushed the ever living daylights out of the evaporator and condenser . Well the truck is a 2006 and it looked like everything was original. But my question is I can't find any info on how much refrigerant oil is needed for a 2006 Chevy 2500 with the duramax. The part store said 7.7 ounces but that sounds way to much to me. Any help would be great

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Drones, Boats, Flying and Floating Things / Re: A new project
« on: July 26, 2019, 10:22:00 PM »
Found that the switch is bad (kill switch not working) so ordered that, wire and a fuse block today also found that the aerator pump is bad will try to take it apart and see if I can fix it or if I need to order one of those

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Drones, Boats, Flying and Floating Things / Re: A new project
« on: July 23, 2019, 08:57:20 PM »
I think that I'm with all of you on the wiring. For now I'm searching for the diagram of a 6 pole starter switch for the boat I think that the kill circuit is bad on the switch and if it is that will be an easy fix.

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I would help them pack, however I was in the military for so long most of it would be in the trash or good will ( wouldn't want to pack anything that would remind them of this  place called America  :evil:)

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Our Pro-Military, Veteran, and Thin Blue Line place / Re: Uber
« on: July 21, 2019, 09:22:43 PM »
Can I get a window seat?

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Drones, Boats, Flying and Floating Things / A new project
« on: July 21, 2019, 09:19:13 PM »
My daughter brought this boat for me to try and get it running and use able. Her grandfather willed it to her but it sat in a pasture for 5 years before he pasted away and she got the boat. She has cleaned out several mouse nest, leaves and stuff from sitting. The boat is a 1996 Lowe 17' with a 1996 Johnson 50 HP engine. I have found the mice have eaten the wires for the ignition switch, the dash mounted fish finder, rear nav lights and the vacuum line going to the speedometer. Along with both seat hinges broken, the engine will run away and the only way to kill it is pump the primer until you flood the engine(vacuum /air leak some place), and there is a parasitic drain on the main battery.  I'm sure more to come with questions because I have never worked on a boat before.

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Build Threads / Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« on: July 21, 2019, 09:32:06 AM »
Ken makes a good point. But Don keep plugging along this is a great adventure and even for a short weekend the time you get to spend with the Pre rangers is priceless

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Build Threads / Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« on: July 08, 2019, 07:56:24 PM »
Don,

Couldn't get a email to the boy today he was working on airplanes. I did talk to one of his friends who still works as a field service guy for Allison. For the 5 to 6 speed he suggested getting a donor truck and use its TCM (TCM should be a Gen 4 he said you could use some Gen 3 but it depends on the program in it) and transmission. He also thought that all the Allison have the same bolt pattern for the Duramax, they have a pentagon shaped front section / bell housing and all the others are round. He also said that the wiring is the same between gen 3 and 4 . I hope that helps let me know if I can try and track anything else down for you.

Steve 

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Build Threads / Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« on: July 07, 2019, 10:41:15 PM »
Don,

I'll email my son (the one in UAE) he was a Allison tech before he joined the Air Force so he may know what is needed for a early block to a 6 speed swap

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Build Threads / Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« on: July 05, 2019, 09:07:28 PM »
Don, I make a yearly trip to Indian so if you find something around Oklahoma I could drag it your way

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: July 03, 2019, 10:04:08 PM »
Update on the son: They are stuck in New Jersey with a broken airplane. With spending 24 years in aircraft maintenance it isn't a big deal but it makes the wife nerves. Scheduled to take off tomorrow morning

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: July 03, 2019, 09:59:58 PM »
Praying for him, Steve. I will say that UAE is a pretty choice assignment. I'm in Kuwait for the next few months, let me know if there's anything I can help with.

Thank you

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: July 03, 2019, 09:58:50 PM »
Men,

Thank you, there is so much comfort in your prayers


Steve,

How long is your son over there? This way y’all can be included in folks long term protection prayers.

Right now he is scheduled to return right before Thanks Giving

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: July 02, 2019, 08:05:27 PM »
Men,

Thank you, there is so much comfort in your prayers

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Faith Discussion / Re: Prayer Request thread
« on: July 01, 2019, 10:15:35 PM »
Men,

I have a Prayer request that I need to ask for. My son Doug just processed and left  for a deployment to United Arab Emirates, which of the all the places in that area of the world it is safe. But with the loss of our step-son over in Afghanistan the wife and I are just on edge and could use a big helping of the Lord's peace and a hedge of protection around our son.

Thanks

Steve

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D.O.T. / Re: WDYDT (What Did You Do Today)
« on: June 24, 2019, 09:13:29 PM »
1st day back to work after vacation! Should have never went back

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Coffee Induced Early Morning Rant / What has happen to this country?
« on: June 21, 2019, 09:43:57 PM »
I maybe preaching to the choir but this is CIEMR!

When to Mount Rushmore night lighting and the asked everyone to sing the National Anthem witch I learned in grade school and out of about 500 people I thing about 50 people sang the the others stood silently or talked to each other. Now in all fairness I would say 100-150 weren't from the USA so 20 out of 350 people knew OUR ANTHEM! and out of those 50 I would say 30 were military or Boy Scouts. I think this country that I spent 24 years serving has little hope unless we have a event that instills God and National pride to the core of the younger generation. Rant off !!!

Just in case anyone doesn't know the National Anthem here are the words:

Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
‘Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

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Parenting / Adventure with a purpose
« on: June 21, 2019, 09:21:40 PM »
Don's trip planning and our recent trip to I had an idea and wondered if anyone has done this before and give some advice. The wife and I just returned from Yellowstone as we drove around and looked at the wonders that God created with no CELL SERVICE and other people not respecting and taking care of this wonders place, I asked one of the Rangers if they had a program where people could volunteer to help maintain the National parks. They directed me to this site https://www.nps.gov/getinvolved/volunteer.htm (ok how do you post a link?) or told be to contact and ranger station. The idea was to take my to grandsons and son to one of the National parks work hard all day, sleep in a tent and have them work on their survival skills that I have passed along to them.

That is the idea so here is the question has anyone done any of this type of volunteer work?

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Wasn't planning on voting for anyone on the democratic ticket especial someone who compares criminals to Hero's 

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As an IG, I can tell you he won't get any traction by making an IG complaint unless the unit is forcing him to attend the "observance".

Sean was correct he got no traction. The request doesn't violate and current DOD policies.

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Back when my kids where 3 or 4 they thought that as long as we had checks (I know some of the young people may not know what those are) we could buy anything. The people in that state must think that money grows trees, fruit and nut trees

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Faith Discussion / The men we desperately need today
« on: June 07, 2019, 10:41:49 PM »
A friend sent me this, kind of a long read but so very true

The Men We Desperately Need Today
June 7, 2019
Not Safe, But Good

Article by
Greg Morse
Staff writer, desiringGod.org

I can still remember being startled by the thought: Jesus doesn’t seem very nice.

Unquestionably compassionate, gracious, and patient, Jesus also said and did things that, as I read through Mark, surprised me. The kind of things that today would get him trolled on Twitter and flagged on Facebook.

It was then that I began to think that if Jesus was not “nice,” if he — the one to whom all Christian women also look (2 Corinthians 3:18), and yet, the epitome of a godly man — did not fit within my vision for manhood, then it, not he, needed to change. The more I considered him — the more I considered the long lineage of godly men in the Scriptures — the more I stood confronted: Could these fit within my current conceptions of masculinity?

What about your conception? When you consider a good Christian husband, an upstanding churchman, a godly man, what qualities come to mind?

Traits such as generous, thoughtful, agreeable? Is this man slow to impose, quick to listen, ready to sympathize? Does he speak gently and serve graciously? Does he routinely defer to others’ preferences? Something about this ideal seems unquestionably right — but if this tender side is all, it also should strike us as uncomfortably wrong.

Godly men will indeed emanate compassion, humility, service, and love. This is true. But is this the whole truth? Has the ideal of manhood in the modern church become just a gentle shadow of what God made it to be?

Not Safe, but Good
When we teach about masculinity, do qualities like strength, initiative, zeal, and courage make our list? When we assess men for church office, and when we look for small group leaders and godly mentors, do we commend men who would make good shepherds — industrious, passionate, resilient men, able to corral sheep and willing to combat wolves?

Do we celebrate male strength, courage, zeal, and initiative because we know these are required in order to guard, protect, subdue, and lead? Such men of God who are gentle exactly because they are first strong? Men like Gandalf, who, after exuding his strength of presence, could then softly say to Bilbo, “I am not trying to rob you. I am trying to help you.” A tiger, not a kitten, can exhibit gentleness because he is first strong.

Endangered is that species of lionhearted masculinity that bears Aslan’s description: “not safe, but good.” Our present ideals, like the ones I once held, do not require goodness to make men safe, because they ensure that men are safe regardless of goodness. The man reborn in this image says nothing uncomfortable, rallies no charge, and shows little, if any, initiative. He is goaded to be convictionless, passionless, perhaps even Christless, if but subdued.

But such is not the vision of he who made man. Instead of blunting his sharp edges, God has a different solution for creating good men: rebirth, looking to Christ, and training in righteousness. Godliness must balance his natural perils. He achieves mature manhood through adding the fruit of the Spirit, not subtracting his God-designed nature. Kindness, self-control, compassion flavor his strength, courage, determination — not eclipse them.

Where Have the Men Gone?
Such men — gentle and strong — present a paradox to the world. His hands build up his household, wrestle with his boys, sip tea with his daughters, and grip the hilt of his Sword against the agents of darkness (Ephesians 6:10–20). He is a godly warrior who sleeps in his armor — fierce and meek and good wherever he finds himself. The description can, by the aid of the Holy Spirit, be redeemed: “Thou wert the meekest man that ever ate in hall among ladies; and thou wert the sternest knight to thy mortal foe that ever put spear in the rest” (Le Morte D’Arthur).

We err when we divide the two: brutal on the one hand, soft on the other. While our society increasingly chooses the latter, some wonder: Where have all the men gone?

We can read, as of an alien species, about men who “through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight” (Hebrews 11:33–34). Men who actively sought for glory, honor, and immortality. Men of faith who hoped for a better country than the one they had. Men who risked much, lost much, and gained more. Men who lived by faith in the living God.

Lukewarm religion, let’s never forget, makes for lukewarm masculinity. And lukewarm masculinity allows too many men to pass by church doors in favor of Islam, Jordan Peterson, or simply ESPN on the road to destruction.

Dying Flame of Masculinity
As I surveyed the lineage of godly men, I honestly wondered how many saints of old would feel discomfort with the feminization, not only of our society, but also in some of our churches.

Would we emasculate men of old? Would we not chide Abraham for wandering, Jacob for wrestling, Joshua for fighting, Elijah for mocking, Noah for madness, Job for arrogance, Daniel for incivility, Nehemiah for violence, Nathan for high-handedness, John the Baptist for name-calling, Paul for divisiveness, and the Son of God for brandishing a whip and turning over tables in the temple?

Have we chosen the conveniences of niceness over the discomforts of godliness? I fear someday lying comfortably beneath the inscription, “Here lies a father, husband, churchgoer — just a really nice guy.”

“Nice” says nothing of spine, of edge, of valor, and thus it can say little of righteousness or purpose. Nice requires no courage, no conviction, and no willingness to make enemies with the wicked. Jesus warns against such palatability: “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets” (Luke 6:26).

Now, we may be tempted, where we have swerved off the road, to overcorrect the error. This would lead us into the other ditch of parasitic strength. Such abominations endure in our day, in all their cruelty, abuse, and cowardice. We must not exchange “good, but not strong” for “strong, but not good.” We cannot charge forth in the flesh instead of being led by the Spirit. We must not settle with feeling like men in our own strength; we must become better men through divine power and self-sacrifice.

Men Set Ablaze
One step on the road to recovery is to reemphasize that unnerving trait of many men of old: godly jealousy. We must reclaim the pulse and convictions of a godly man, not just his actions.

Our God is a jealous God (Exodus 20:5). He will not share his glory, or bride, with another. And he fashions men who increasingly burn with his own righteous jealousy. These men, ablaze with zeal for the glory of God, for the health of the church, and for the souls of the lost, will, in certain circumstances, erupt to shatter the status quo. Zeal for the glory of God — not cultural civility or secular sensitivity — is the proper harness for biblical manhood. Godly jealousy makes good men dangerous — to the world, the flesh, and the devil.

Consider Moses, the meekest man on the earth (Numbers 12:3). Enraged by his people’s idolatry to break God’s tablets, he melted their golden calf, and made them drink it (Exodus 32:20). His love for his people and God’s glory acted resolutely against their idolatry.

Consider David, the poetry-writing shepherd-boy who could not simply stand by and watch an uncircumcised Philistine defy the armies of the living God — no matter how menacing he stood (1 Samuel 17:26). He could not listen quietly while his God’s name was defamed.

Consider Phinehas, an African whose name meant “the Negro.” Jealous with God’s jealousy, he turned away God’s wrath by impaling two high-handed sinners in the climax of their romance (Numbers 25:6–13).

Consider Elijah, a man tormented by the unbelief of Israel. He called a public showdown with the prophets of Baal and mocked them for hours (1 Kings 18:20–40). He longed for the people to know the true God and follow him alone.

Consider Paul, a former persecutor of the church who sat provoked as he saw the city full of idol-worship instead of Jesus-worship, and publicly lifted up his voice to challenge the great philosophers and rulers of Athens (Acts 17:16). He lived for kingdom business while many laughed at, opposed, and beat him.

All the King’s Men
Consider Jesus Christ, who grabbed whips, named names, and promised to return with weapons drawn. He is the Lion of Judah who knelt down and played with children (Mark 10:14). And the Lamb from whom men shall run, unsuccessfully begging mountains to crush them rather than face his wrath (Revelation 6:16).

He destroyed “arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God” (2 Corinthians 10:5), crushed the dragon’s skull, and yet did not break a bruised reed (Isaiah 42:3). And he went to Calvary, not because niceness led him outside the camp to die among thieves and garbage, but because he burned with a passion for his bride, his Father’s name, and his own glory (John 17:4; Romans 3:25–26; 1 Peter 3:18).

Spurgeon’s last words in the pulpit portray the proper ideal:

[Jesus] is the most magnanimous of captains. There never was his like among the choicest of princes. He is always to be found in the thickest part of the battle. When the wind blows cold he always takes the bleak side of the hill. The heaviest end of the cross lies ever on his shoulders. If he bids us carry a burden, he carries it also. If there is anything that is gracious, generous, kind, and tender, yes lavish and super abundant in love, you always find it in him. (Spurgeon: Prince of Preachers, 288)

The King’s men will be found, with Christ, in the thickest parts of the battle. They will eschew wasting their lives venturing nothing, growing warm for nothing, exercising no initiative, taking no stands, building no fortitude of faith, engaging in no spiritual battle, carrying no burdens, planting no flags on unconquered hilltops. The men of this King, for the very reason that they despise playing with foam swords against the forces of evil, create the safest culture for their women and children. Dangerous men under God, holding one another accountable, will not stand idly by as the bears maul those they should rather protect and nourish.

Meek and fierce. Tough and tender. Leaders and servants. Not safe, but good.

Men like Jesus.


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Well, just to fire everyone up this morning the response that the son received from his 1st Sgt and Commander: "We may not agree with this on a personal level but in the current culture this is the same as POW MIA, Black History or the many other events we celebrate each year." The son plans on sending it to the IG but doesn't think it will get much traction. I suggested 2 options 1) Do away with all these events/ weeks/ months. 2) Do away with all these events/ weeks/ months. unless they have a direct impact historical to the military. Think the Date the Air Force became a service of it's own and POW/MIA. Most of these events people are given time off work not charged leave and are I'm sure costing the military big bucks each year in lost productivity. I'm positive that there are very few supervisor that would say no if I wanted to go to a gay pride event because they would get reported on because of it. Who's idea was it to turn the military into some kind of social experiment? I'm sure happy that I retired when I did from active duty

Steve

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The email came from a shared email account for that rank group and it had the originator name and email address along with the POC’S for the enlisted group. My son has forwarded the email to his 1st Sargent and Commander. I hope that they will take the correct action on this but if not the IG will get a copy of the email.

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My son was a TSGT (E6) and was promoted on Monday so he was still on the mailing list. This email went out to all E5/ SSGT and E6/TSGT on the base, I would guess around 600 people in all

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Alright my son E7 in the Air Force sent this to me and I have been smoking over it and I hope by sharing I may cool off some.

Subject: VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITY//CAR WASH//14 JUNE @ 1100

 

Good Morning Team Tinker!

 

 

The PRIDE Council which is the LGBTQ+ and Allies Official Organization of Tinker AFB is looking for 15-20 friendly and outgoing volunteers who would like to assist with a Car Wash. The proceeds of this fundraiser are going towards all LGBTQ+ Pride month events to include the upcoming LGBTQ+ Luncheon. Please refer below for more information.

 

Event: CAR WASH

Location: Santa Fe Restaurant (across the street from the Tinker)

When: June 14th

Time: 1100-1300

If you would like to volunteer or have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact any of the POC’s below.

I could live with the "don't ask don't tell" policy but to have a "council" and to send it out to all E5 and E6 on base is so very wrong. Let alone makes me wonder if the told the business what in fact what this was for if they just said Tinker AFB. What ever I don't think that I will be eating at the chain ever again.

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Build Threads / Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« on: June 04, 2019, 09:15:48 PM »
Don, That suburban looks outstanding! Well done. I hope you 3 enjoy your adventure. You could start a business of building these for forum members 

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Message from the Owner / Re: Real Man is expanding!
« on: June 01, 2019, 04:40:38 PM »
Don,

This sounds like a great move forward to spreading the word. How can it not be with it being inspired by the Holy Spirit? Count me in on what ever I can do to take on the evil one

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Build Threads / Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« on: May 28, 2019, 09:09:10 PM »
Don,

The truck looks great. For the ladder could it go on the back of the roof rack (behind your lights) after the tent is installed and use the cut out for your tag as a step?

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