Post by: wilsonphil on May 13, 2022, 03:33:25 PM
Stay tuned!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2022, 08:22:34 PM
Post by: KensAuto on May 16, 2022, 09:49:49 AM
I promise I think all of you will enjoy.How long we gotta wait?
Stay tuned!
I hope it's not as long as it took you to get ready for prom.
Post by: Sammconn on May 16, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
Insert final jeopardy music here…
Post by: wilsonphil on May 16, 2022, 06:51:19 PM
I promise I think all of you will enjoy.How long we gotta wait?
Stay tuned!
I hope it's not as long as it took you to get ready for prom.
Ken Ken Ken, I'm getting visuals of you and "H" on your prom night ridding in the square body bench seat truck. I sure it was cozy!
Friday I will announce.
Post by: JR on May 16, 2022, 07:39:31 PM
Post by: KensAuto on May 16, 2022, 09:39:24 PM
Post by: stlaser on May 16, 2022, 09:45:11 PM
I promise I think all of you will enjoy.How long we gotta wait?
Stay tuned!
I hope it's not as long as it took you to get ready for prom.
Ken Ken Ken, I'm getting visuals of you and "H" on your prom night ridding in the square body bench seat truck. I sure it was cozy!
Friday I will announce.
You mean she fit in a regular cab at one point?
Post by: JR on May 16, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
Post by: stlaser on May 16, 2022, 11:47:56 PM
Look at the forum heading
Maybe he gotz drone footage of pulling a Tex with his mower?
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2022, 01:08:42 PM
He has a free ticket for one member here on the first Mars mission1
I knew we'd make history at some point!
Love that SpaceX!
Post by: EL TATE on May 17, 2022, 06:30:57 PM
I promise I think all of you will enjoy.
Stay tuned!
Always intrigued. got a reminder set
Post by: wilsonphil on May 20, 2022, 09:41:49 AM
This plane is a T28D, came off the assembly line in 1951 as a "A" model.
it needs love as its been neglected and not well cared for.
oil change like you like.
Post by: EL TATE on May 20, 2022, 10:02:52 AM
Ok kids(Ken) as I said it is something different.
This plane is a T28D, came off the assembly line in 1951 as a "A" model.
it needs love as its been neglected and not well cared for.
oil change like you like.
Oh but it's soooo cool! Is this YOUR new toy??
Post by: Sammconn on May 20, 2022, 10:03:12 AM
Will be an odd oil change for here…
:popcorn:
Post by: wilsonphil on May 20, 2022, 10:15:09 AM
Ok kids(Ken) as I said it is something different.
This plane is a T28D, came off the assembly line in 1951 as a "A" model.
it needs love as its been neglected and not well cared for.
oil change like you like.
100% mine
Post by: KensAuto on May 20, 2022, 11:23:55 AM
Don't you dare go dark on us again...or I'll send H to have a talk with you!!
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Post by: JR on May 20, 2022, 02:38:25 PM
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 20, 2022, 02:44:06 PM
Very cool.
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Post by: wilsonphil on May 20, 2022, 05:58:44 PM
But very soon will be in Ogden getting her ready to fly again.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 20, 2022, 07:04:40 PM
Negative the T28 is in Ogden. I am everywhereI’d love to come check it out in person !
But very soon will be in Ogden getting her ready to fly again.
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Post by: wilsonphil on May 20, 2022, 07:28:10 PM
Are you local?
Post by: KensAuto on May 20, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
That can be arranged.He's in Ogden.
Are you local?
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 20, 2022, 11:11:50 PM
That can be arranged.Yep, Ogden it is
Are you local?
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2022, 11:34:01 PM
Ex-Army bird by any chance?
I'd love to get a little time in that
Tandem seats?
Dual controls?
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2022, 08:38:15 AM
Yes T28-D Trojan. The D models are rare.
This unit is full IFR to 35K ft (will be) is Dual control(trainer).
So these were never in Army service, USAF and then the Squids thought they looked good and didn't want the USAF having all the fun.
LOTS of history with this series it was in use with the Squids until 1984.
Don once i get her back in the air it would be my pleasure to let you take the controls just remember the prop is supposed to be out in front
Post by: Flyin6 on May 21, 2022, 09:31:42 AM
Don,Couple of things.
Yes T28-D Trojan. The D models are rare.
This unit is full IFR to 35K ft (will be) is Dual control(trainer).
So these were never in Army service, USAF and then the Squids thought they looked good and didn't want the USAF having all the fun.
LOTS of history with this series it was in use with the Squids until 1984.
Don once i get her back in the air it would be my pleasure to let you take the controls just remember the prop is supposed to be out in front
First of all, the prop is always in front of the airplane except during and after a catastrophic crash! ;-)
Where it is relative to terra-firma is in the hands (literally) of the guy driving.
Second I believe those D models served well into the 90's and possibly into the twenty-oneth century with the US Army Airborne board. I have flown in and around them before. They were used to trail USAF cargo planes dropping experimental loads under parachute. He Trojan could fly fast enough to keep up then maneuver and slow up to accurately film and document the load/parachute activity of the "experimental" load while it made its way earthward.
They were "D" models because of the three blade prop. They were all tandem seat, but controls taken out in the aft bay. I found references putting there at Ft Bragg in the 1970's...but
They moved the Airborne test activity to Pope Air Force Base which is attached to Ft Bragg. They parked them on the opposite side of the field from the USAF ramp where all the C-130's or C-17's or whatever was parked. I know they were there because I used to park beside them on the "Army, or Airborne" ramp at Pope. Our 160th sneaky chinooks could park walking distance from JSOC if you know what that was.
I saw them there all through the 80's and the 90's until I stopped doing crazy stuff with really tough guys in unusual places.
So, I want to say that the US Army was the last operator of the Trojan in the military...BOOM!
^^^That's one for the team right there!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2022, 11:15:47 AM
Then the Navy got love in their eyes they wanted big engine and prop + extras, so all the B, C, D are big engine(1820) the C got the tail hook.
D got hard points for guns and racks for pest control.
T28 is a real reflection of what was going on in the world political during its time in service.
I didn't know the Army was given T28's but not surprising could of been B or C.
At this stage in their life they Im sure they are lots of parts from all series to keep them in the air.
Philippines got rid of them in the mid 90's. they were the last foreign operators I am aware of but that doesn't mean they are not out still flying somewhere.
I even saw T28 and F86 in Saudi during the Storm really bad shape but they were there.
North American built about 2K of these and a lot of the A models were converted to BCD later in their life. Its a testament to the design and how over built they were to have such a long life span.
Post by: KensAuto on May 21, 2022, 11:31:17 AM
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Post by: JR on May 21, 2022, 12:08:16 PM
Big flipin plane compared to private planes.
Tell Don he cannot hover it!!!
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2022, 12:20:37 PM
JR, two blade T28A are rare the prop was life limited so most converted to the 3 blade Ham Standard.
The A model had the 1300 Wright rated @800hp the B,C,D, had wright 1820 rated around 1450HP. all the big engine T28 had three blade props.
Post by: Flyin6 on May 21, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
N7621E, check it out
After that build, I wanted bigger and faster and there was the Trojan just begging me to come give it a whirl!
I installed a Lopresti speed cowl on it which is STC'd for a Hartzel prop, but I installed a McCauley three blade prop instead. You see, a retired Army crew chief friend of mine who is also a FAA maintenance inspector talked me into building a Frankenstein Lycoming 520 engine. We used racing jugs, venolia 10:1 pistons, headers, port work and some camshaft. The airplane was delivered with a 250HP IO-520, but this engine probably made north of 300. Part of the build, was me talking to McCauley for my "experimental." "So you have a Commanche 250 you're going to operate overseas with 300-350HP and cruise it at over 200..OK, that'll take a 79" this or that. So they delivered me a custom prop and we bolted that thing on, and made the whole airplane work. VNE was 204 and it would blow right through that. That's why the wings have brakes installed, and the tail was all drilled apart, is filled with added ribs and stiffeners, just incase we got too far past VNE to preclude tail flutter.
Well everyone and everything caught up with me one day and I was lucky to sell it. I think the guy who owns it now had to convert a lot of that stuff back to stock...Pity. It even had NVG cockpit lighting, and it was flown using NVG...
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2022, 05:52:32 PM
That is part of the reason I wanted experiential and I can also do the annuals myself. Or make almost anything it might need part wise.
And not too many planes right out of the box that have the performance the T28 has, 200Kts cruise and very stable flight manners.
This unit was in need of love but nothing that couldn't/cant be fixed.
Only thing that sucks right now is $7 AV gas, @50GPH its makes for a fun day at the pump.
Post by: JR on May 21, 2022, 07:55:10 PM
Post by: KensAuto on May 21, 2022, 08:27:24 PM
Thats the problem with the "standard category" stuff you are so limited what you are "allowed" to do.I know where you can find some methane in large quantities if you can figure out how to make it work
That is part of the reason I wanted experiential and I can also do the annuals myself. Or make almost anything it might need part wise.
And not too many planes right out of the box that have the performance the T28 has, 200Kts cruise and very stable flight manners.
This unit was in need of love but nothing that couldn't/cant be fixed.
Only thing that sucks right now is $7 AV gas, @50GPH its makes for a fun day at the pump.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 21, 2022, 09:55:42 PM
Thats the problem with the "standard category" stuff you are so limited what you are "allowed" to do.Phil,
That is part of the reason I wanted experiential and I can also do the annuals myself. Or make almost anything it might need part wise.
And not too many planes right out of the box that have the performance the T28 has, 200Kts cruise and very stable flight manners.
This unit was in need of love but nothing that couldn't/cant be fixed.
Only thing that sucks right now is $7 AV gas, @50GPH its makes for a fun day at the pump.
If you get that thing experimental, the FAA will limit your flights severely. Like staying close to the airfield, max altitude restrictions, no IFR, no night. Almost like not flying at all. I'd just stay low and not file a flight plan...
Just a thought
Post by: wilsonphil on May 22, 2022, 08:27:49 AM
I played a lot in the experiential world on a few levels in my younger days and only had to have one discussion with the FAA, IMO they seem to be more helpful now than they ever used to be.
In the 90's(Clinton Years) it seemed all they wanted to do was ground you for anything and everything.
Post by: wilsonphil on May 22, 2022, 08:50:57 AM
Post by: wilsonphil on May 22, 2022, 08:52:39 AM
That can be arranged.Yep, Ogden it is
Are you local?
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Post by: cj7ox on May 23, 2022, 03:36:21 PM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 23, 2022, 03:22:39 PM
How did the tank welding turn out?
Submerge it and weld it?
Get the fittings and gaskets out and table weld?
Any luck sourcing your carb rebuild parts?
Get the prop off?
So many questions.
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Post by: wilsonphil on July 03, 2022, 02:45:08 PM
I spent 2 weeks with the girl and got her running again!
Found lots of surprises from previous "mechanics" but overall she is still a very solid airplane.
Below is the list of what I did so far,
1. Reinstall Hyd reservoir and refill and bled the Hyd system, only found 1ea leak. Sad issue on this the previous "mechanic" had removed this for a supposed crack I never did find one, it was
a big job reinstalling this system.
2. Install 3ea new tires and repack wheel bearings.
3. Gear swing, adjust doors and systems as needed.
4. Instrument PNL reinstall, I had to remove many for the primary flight instruments for overhaul anyway and the isolation mounts had failed so those had to be changed.
5. The avionics wiring was a MESS in fact I spent more time cleaning all that up than I did any thing else. A side note, when this plane was "overhualed" back in the 90's it had over I'm guessing
over 100K+ of avionics installed, it even had GPS which was in its infancy then. Sad fact its all pretty much worthless now.
6. Installed new engine driven fuel pump.
7. Install new overhualed carb.
8. Rebuilt Fuel selector.
9. Complete Aircraft Lube.
10. Run Engine and adjust mixture and Idle. Checked all engine driven accessory's
11. Check Mag timing.
12. Refueled, and at 7.50 a gallon it was a head shaking experience. This plane holds 177gallons
13. Kept asking myself why I did this.
All in All it was a positive experience, my parents drove out in their Motorhome for a week and my dad helped me get the gear swing and some other projects finished AND he had a set of jacks so we could do the gear swing.
As most of you can relate it was a real challenge some days, I didn't have my full tool box with me so I had to make/buy tools I already had but its hard to bring EVERYTHING with you to get every job done.
So what is left?
Well not much really, I have to fly out on a ferry permit since there is a prop AD due and I want to wait until I get it to a place I can work on the plane end not be rushed or pressured in getting it off the field.
1. Reinstall the primary overhauled instrument's.
2. Piot/static check.
3. ADS-B install.
part of the ferry permit will be a couple 30min "overhead" flights and landings, system verifications/oil screen checks before we head out.
getting close to being in the air again. I plan on returning once I get the instruments and a couple other small items back from overhual
more info soon.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2022, 07:47:17 PM
Have a little experience...Did a "Don style" oil change on my Commanche 250 that involved a new engine...More like two years though!
Congrats.
New parts look great!
Bad mechs just ruin the experience of owning your own airplane.
Post by: wilsonphil on July 04, 2022, 12:31:24 AM
That’s a long list you knocked out. Where will be home base when you’re done?
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Not 100% sure, Ohio or Brownsville.
Post by: wilsonphil on July 04, 2022, 12:33:30 AM
You did all that in two weeks???????????
Have a little experience...Did a "Don style" oil change on my Commanche 250 that involved a new engine...More like two years though!
Congrats.
New parts look great!
Bad mechs just ruin the experience of owning your own airplane.
Yes two weeks, not hard if you know what needs done and focus your energy, keep the goal in sight dont get off track.
Yes i actually did do an Oil change also. Overhual shops are the real issue right now.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2022, 11:35:53 AM
You're just admitted to being quite wealthy...Overhaul shops and a T-28...Outta my leagueYou did all that in two weeks???????????
Have a little experience...Did a "Don style" oil change on my Commanche 250 that involved a new engine...More like two years though!
Congrats.
New parts look great!
Bad mechs just ruin the experience of owning your own airplane.
Yes two weeks, not hard if you know what needs done and focus your energy, keep the goal in sight dont get off track.
Yes i actually did do an Oil change also. Overhual shops are the real issue right now.
Good on you
Ohio...?? Where?
Please say Lunken Airport.
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Post by: wilsonphil on July 05, 2022, 11:20:41 PM
You're just admitted to being quite wealthy...Overhaul shops and a T-28...Outta my leagueYou did all that in two weeks???????????
Have a little experience...Did a "Don style" oil change on my Commanche 250 that involved a new engine...More like two years though!
Congrats.
New parts look great!
Bad mechs just ruin the experience of owning your own airplane.
Yes two weeks, not hard if you know what needs done and focus your energy, keep the goal in sight dont get off track.
Yes i actually did do an Oil change also. Overhual shops are the real issue right now.
Good on you
Ohio...?? Where?
Please say Lunken Airport.
I dont consider myself wealthy in any stretch of todays definition.
I do have more knowledge/experience than most but consider myself slightly below average.
If it goes to Ohio it will be NE Ohio.
Post by: wyorunner on July 06, 2022, 05:21:32 PM
Post by: wilsonphil on August 17, 2022, 04:18:32 PM
Slow speed Taxi check went well, Made full power, everything temp wise right were its supposed to be.
its funny how it makes my truck look so small.
Post by: JR on August 17, 2022, 04:24:15 PM
Love the paint scheme too.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2022, 04:50:25 PM
Make sure you place a pretty girl on the other side to compensate.
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Post by: wyorunner on August 17, 2022, 08:18:23 PM
Almost ready, all systems back together just need the static check to get ready for ferry permit.Since clearly you need a bigger truck, you should probably sell me little blue
Slow speed Taxi check went well, Made full power, everything temp wise right were its supposed to be.
its funny how it makes my truck look so small.
Post by: wilsonphil on August 18, 2022, 04:51:18 PM
Almost ready, all systems back together just need the static check to get ready for ferry permit.Since clearly you need a bigger truck, you should probably sell me little blue
Slow speed Taxi check went well, Made full power, everything temp wise right were its supposed to be.
its funny how it makes my truck look so small.
Never in a 100 years will i sell that truck!
Post by: wyorunner on August 18, 2022, 05:01:29 PM
I know this. Which is why I have to harass you about it!Almost ready, all systems back together just need the static check to get ready for ferry permit.Since clearly you need a bigger truck, you should probably sell me little blue
Slow speed Taxi check went well, Made full power, everything temp wise right were its supposed to be.
its funny how it makes my truck look so small.
Never in a 100 years will i sell that truck!
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Post by: wilsonphil on August 18, 2022, 05:17:47 PM
When you attach that RAM to a wing store, it will really make that airplane look ugly!
Make sure you place a pretty girl on the other side to compensate.
Don it is a Dodge only you Chevy guys call it a Ram. It will always be a DODGE never a RAM. Ram is a way the Europeans used to try to destroy the brand.
It does have hard points for racks and guns! maybe a couple 50cal if i can find all the parts necessary.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2022, 12:26:50 PM
Classic
Post by: wilsonphil on August 21, 2022, 06:55:09 PM
I'll add this, when I bought the T28 one of my worries were the fuel cells, they were replaced when the plane was overhauled back in the 90's. My concern was they hadn't had fuel in them for quite some time. Every trio up I would put 10-25- 50gal in and then wait to make sure it didn't spring any leaks.
This last trip and after I was done taxing around I was brave enough to top her off.
Everyone thinks they are paying a lot for Diesel/Gas try some AV gas, didn't buy this plane for its fuel efficiency so not a complaint just a statement of how off the rails things have gotten.
Post by: wyorunner on August 21, 2022, 07:18:38 PM
Yes I have seen that one and the guy hanging off the bomb racks with his M4.What’s the fuel capacity on that thing? Duck duckgo says 125gals…
I'll add this, when I bought the T28 one of my worries were the fuel cells, they were replaced when the plane was overhauled back in the 90's. My concern was they hadn't had fuel in them for quite some time. Every trio up I would put 10-25- 50gal in and then wait to make sure it didn't spring any leaks.
This last trip and after I was done taxing around I was brave enough to top her off.
Everyone thinks they are paying a lot for Diesel/Gas try some AV gas, didn't buy this plane for its fuel efficiency so not a complaint just a statement of how off the rails things have gotten.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2022, 10:47:57 PM
Which I think is mighty little for a 9-cyl radial
Is that right?
Post by: wilsonphil on August 22, 2022, 11:35:55 AM
Remember Don its a trainer, most pilots get tired after 45-60min and want to land. A lot of pilots I have flown with are "not realmen" at least when it comes to endurance or dealing with issues.
With full load in ideal conditions I should have 3hrs wheels up to wheels down. In ideal conditions!
Post by: JR on August 22, 2022, 12:38:07 PM
Post by: wilsonphil on August 22, 2022, 12:50:53 PM
as long as I get all the gun pod parts and the M2 are legal I am allowed to mount them.
Post by: cj7ox on August 22, 2022, 03:58:03 PM
Post by: wilsonphil on August 22, 2022, 05:15:24 PM
I help mount 2ea 30 cals in a T-6 back in the day, one thru the prop and one in the wing, that T6 would shoot blanks on the ground as part of the airshows he took it too.
you would need a private range to actually shoot while in the air.
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Post by: EL TATE on September 28, 2022, 10:19:19 AM
Ok we are airborne after 12 yes of neglect I got it back in the air. Lots of little issues but all in all it flys true. Made it to Hobbs NM. Will finish the trip to Brownsville
(involuntarily grinning ear to ear)
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Post by: wilsonphil on September 28, 2022, 06:40:58 PM
Cant be more happier with the flight just a little bit of weather but nothing forcing me down.
TRN yes one shot, three hour flight, remember this plane cruses at 200 KTS I can push it harder and go higher but I was being very conservative for obvious reasons.
just glad we saved another flyable bird from the parts bin.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 28, 2022, 06:48:28 PM
Complete tear down ?
Repaint?
Ceramic windshield tint
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Post by: wilsonphil on September 28, 2022, 07:00:25 PM
Post by: wyorunner on September 29, 2022, 02:14:38 AM
Made it to Brownsville, its in the hanger awaiting a lot of much need love and affection.Nice job Phil! Super awesome to see this live on for a while longer!! Look forward to seeing what you do with it.
Cant be more happier with the flight just a little bit of weather but nothing forcing me down.
TRN yes one shot, three hour flight, remember this plane cruses at 200 KTS I can push it harder and go higher but I was being very conservative for obvious reasons.
just glad we saved another flyable bird from the parts bin.
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Post by: wilsonphil on October 02, 2022, 10:03:14 AM
1. Prop removal for AD compliance and overhaul. The prop has to come off every 5 years for corrosion inspection, I'm going to have it overhauled/zero timed while that is being done.
2. Prop governor repair/overhaul, working fine but leaking so it will be good time to address it.
3. All engine hoses, why? Because they are 30YO and it better safe than sorry.
4. Fuel boost pump, started popping CB on the flight, not 100% sure its the pump or other issues.
5. Fuel leak, don’t know if it’s the cell or the connection at the cell. (Requires complete defuel)
6. Intercom system.
7. A SLEW of electrical issues and a few radio issues.
8. Numerous soft goods, seals, pads that need love.
9. LOT and LOTs of minor cosmetic issues.
If this was my only function in life most of it could be done in a week or less but I will do as much as possible with the time I will have. The prop alone will be gone for 6-8 weeks.
A lot of the electrical issues will take a lot of time and effort because this plane has very few schematics from when it was rebuilt back in the 90’s.
The core electrical system is the same but all the “new” items are a rats nest of mostly people working on the plane that should not be tying their own shoes let alone touching an airplane.
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2022, 11:20:09 AM
Just so everyone can get a better understanding what needs to be done on an older airplane, a lot of this would not of been required if the plane have not gotten involved with a very unfortunate ownership and neglected.How I know this to be true...The part about idiots working on airplanes who should be hanging on 5hp Briggs and Stratton mowers.
1. Prop removal for AD compliance and overhaul. The prop has to come off every 5 years for corrosion inspection, I'm going to have it overhauled/zero timed while that is being done.
2. Prop governor repair/overhaul, working fine but leaking so it will be good time to address it.
3. All engine hoses, why? Because they are 30YO and it better safe than sorry.
4. Fuel boost pump, started popping CB on the flight, not 100% sure its the pump or other issues.
5. Fuel leak, don’t know if it’s the cell or the connection at the cell. (Requires complete defuel)
6. Intercom system.
7. A SLEW of electrical issues and a few radio issues.
8. Numerous soft goods, seals, pads that need love.
9. LOT and LOTs of minor cosmetic issues.
If this was my only function in life most of it could be done in a week or less but I will do as much as possible with the time I will have. The prop alone will be gone for 6-8 weeks.
A lot of the electrical issues will take a lot of time and effort because this plane has very few schematics from when it was rebuilt back in the 90’s.
The core electrical system is the same but all the “new” items are a rats nest of mostly people working on the plane that should not be tying their own shoes let alone touching an airplane.
When I purchased N7621E, a PA-24-250 Commanche, I was going to just put on six new jugs and spruce up a horrid interior.
But like yours, I kept finding rats nests of wiring and corrosion and weak landing gear stretch chord things. I ended up nearly rebuilding and modifying the entire airplane.
Actually, I went a bit overboard (300+HP) with speed cowlings, speed brakes, tip tanks, a new interior, and a bunch of avionics. I think my Commanche would give you a run for your money. VNE was 204 KIAS, and I could push right through that. Ya, like I said, it was a bit overboard. U
Unlike me, I hope you keep the thing afterward and use it for years. Me, I retired from the Armee and sold it six months later. The new owner opted for a fresh Mattituck 250hp Lycoming but kept my highly illegal McCauley three-blade prop...
Post by: JR on October 02, 2022, 12:41:04 PM
Don, you go overboard, never thought that could happen.
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2022, 11:53:40 AM
If one is good is two better?
Post by: Bob Smith on October 04, 2022, 12:11:02 PM
QUESTION,Of course, for most things
If one is good is two better?
Post by: Flyin6 on October 04, 2022, 12:50:24 PM
QUESTION,^^^^^^^^^^He bought a twin! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If one is good is two better?
B-25??
No, wait, a Beech 18!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 04, 2022, 01:14:46 PM
Except for wives….QUESTION,Of course, for most things
If one is good is two better?
Bought a parts plane?
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Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
"stay tuned"
Post by: Sammconn on October 04, 2022, 04:51:14 PM
Twins are nice, but there are lots of choices.Oh boy!
"stay tuned"
Post by: JR on October 04, 2022, 07:41:57 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on October 04, 2022, 07:47:04 PM
Semi warbirdish I'm thinking. Beech 18 is still my best guess, but did he score a C-47???
Post by: JR on October 04, 2022, 08:19:19 PM
OV-10s are cool, not hard to find and fast.
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
F-82 Twin mustangWay too rare...even for a senior Space-X engineer!
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You'd sooner find common sense in the Whitehouse!
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2022, 11:02:46 AM
What ever it is I hope it has a v-12 Merlin……You (and I) WISH!!!!!!!
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Tex, I don't think Phil likes you, :evil: but he likes me. Meaning: I'd likely get a little bit of stick time. Pretty sure I'll get to fly his T-28 someday...Maybe a long solo back to some hidden airstrip in the tuck... ;-)
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2022, 12:34:02 PM
Back in the day when nobody wanted a military and the cold war was over I played a lot with the Merlin, mostly Radials, even sleeve valve engines, and early turbines with a bit of very poorly designed jets.
The warbirds are interesting but the whole issue is the "war" aspect. They were designed and built to be disposable(100hrs), not saying they are bad but never designed for a long hual.
I was told by many people after WW2 was over there was almost a city block of new Packard built Merlins stacked in crates, the scrap guys bought them up and set a smelter on site, a group of guys just going around and breaking away the crate and dumping a new engine into the smelter.
I was told it took almost 9 months to melt all those engines down. Same for the 4360's they were melting them down for the silver in the main bearings. and so many planes met their fate that way.
Sad but true!
I have some pictures of the P51 and TF51 I was playing with but they are film so I will have to dig them up.
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2022, 01:18:49 PM
I am not a fan of the Merlin, don't get me wrong in its day it was the best option available.I remember seeing rows and rows of WW2 warbirds at Aberdeen proving grounds, MD. They were given to a guillotine contraption which reduced them down to bite-sized chunks. Saw many B-52's and others all pulled into pieces over at Davis-Monthan. Such a sad site IMHO. I don't only see them as machines, but as spiritual things that men flew in and worked on and slaved over. Each airplane could tell a thousand stories of the people who touched them...Human lives which have come and gone into the American experience.
Back in the day when nobody wanted a military and the cold war was over I played a lot with the Merlin, mostly Radials, even sleeve valve engines, and early turbines with a bit of very poorly designed jets.
The warbirds are interesting but the whole issue is the "war" aspect. They were designed and built to be disposable(100hrs), not saying they are bad but never designed for a long hual.
I was told by many people after WW2 was over there was almost a city block of new Packard built Merlins stacked in crates, the scrap guys bought them up and set a smelter on site, a group of guys just going around and breaking away the crate and dumping a new engine into the smelter.
I was told it took almost 9 months to melt all those engines down. Same for the 4360's they were melting them down for the silver in the main bearings. and so many planes met their fate that way.
Sad but true!
I have some pictures of the P51 and TF51 I was playing with but they are film so I will have to dig them up.
I truly believe that the spirits of some men who died in those machines still haunt them. Know personally of a very real occurrence in a MH-47 that happened to a Vietnam-era pilot who was sleeping in the thing one night. Chuck knew it was the spirit of someone who died onboard so he went on a records search. Sure enough, it had been a 101st bird as a "B" model in Vietnam and had a storied past.
These machines are made to be more than nuts. bolts, rivets, and oil by the men who created and maintained and flew them. Cars, not so much, but flying machines, most definitely.
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2022, 02:03:07 PM
Skill and confidence can go a very long way, up and to the point the machine cannot do what the operator wants it to do.
Its super sad to see those planes get cut up especially the ones as you said if they could talk, the stories those birds could tell and what they went thru the people that operated them.
My dad back in 1965 could of bought a P51D that were just released from Canadian service the price you ask $6500, well he did the sensible thing and bought a house instead.
Even then nobody really wanted those planes you had to have a interest in them, and alot of those planes were still sitting around rotting on airports all over.
Post by: JR on October 05, 2022, 02:42:39 PM
OV-10, still around, nice CR turbines and can carry quite a bit.
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2022, 03:05:24 PM
BUT its worse, in 1960 when my dad was still in the AF he was offered a flying P38 FREE! now all of you are saying WTH, remember those planes were not worth anything then, typically a company bought one to do a certain task and then they scrapped them or left them to rot. they were not well kept nothing like the full resto's you see now, those planes were just abused.
The P38 had a survey nose on it and the airport manager said all my dad had to do was put fuel in it and fly it out. My dad made $50 a month and fuel was $0.25c a gallon. the P38 carried 400gal do the math. Then where do you keep it.
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2022, 06:19:01 PM
True but nobody has a crystal ball, then remember you have to maintain and put fuel in it and so on. P51's were around then and he had access to them when he wanted to fly one, it wasnt until they started racing them in the 70's the price came up.Rich uncle? Friend with $$$, maybe even fake a kidnapping...! I mean, hey, a P38!!!!!!
BUT its worse, in 1960 when my dad was still in the AF he was offered a flying P38 FREE! now all of you are saying WTH, remember those planes were not worth anything then, typically a company bought one to do a certain task and then they scrapped them or left them to rot. they were not well kept nothing like the full resto's you see now, those planes were just abused.
The P38 had a survey nose on it and the airport manager said all my dad had to do was put fuel in it and fly it out. My dad made $50 a month and fuel was $0.25c a gallon. the P38 carried 400gal do the math. Then where do you keep it.
Post by: JR on October 05, 2022, 06:23:41 PM
Post by: wilsonphil on October 06, 2022, 09:10:54 AM
First the plane was worth nothing! thats the idea behind free!
lets go back when we were all 20yo and in military, all of us had large amounts of unlimited cash(not)
Lets say someone is giving you a D10 Cat free! all you have to do is fill up the diesel and arrange transport and find a place to keep it until you are done with your next deployment. And how many of us had resources to even know people that can help with getting all of this done.
Most of us are older now and forget what those days were like,
Post by: wyorunner on October 06, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
Well lets put this in perspective.Young and carefree! Wasn’t focused on much else than Friday, and the next deployment or next school.
First the plane was worth nothing! thats the idea behind free!
lets go back when we were all 20yo and in military, all of us had large amounts of unlimited cash(not)
Lets say someone is giving you a D10 Cat free! all you have to do is fill up the diesel and arrange transport and find a place to keep it until you are done with your next deployment. And how many of us had resources to even know people that can help with getting all of this done.
Most of us are older now and forget what those days were like,
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Post by: wilsonphil on October 12, 2022, 01:41:11 PM
landing same thing but figure 2.5K.
Ideally if you have a 4K strip you should be golden from an operational standpoint.
And this is at sea levielish performance.
Post by: Flyin6 on October 12, 2022, 06:00:09 PM
It would depend on a couple factors figure 3K ft You can do it shorter but like I said factors come into playAnd for those who drove larger than Cessna 172 sized airplanes, 4,000 feet is short.
landing same thing but figure 2.5K.
Ideally if you have a 4K strip you should be golden from an operational standpoint.
And this is at sea levielish performance.
What is the balanced field runway requirement with a full bag of gas and two peeps?
Post by: wilsonphil on October 18, 2022, 07:51:51 PM
I always think these pictures/vids are interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COovw-9Wajc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJbETdIK8pA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqrYLYRRONw
Post by: wilsonphil on October 29, 2022, 10:10:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyEJ-F16nPQ
Post by: JR on October 29, 2022, 12:03:55 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2022, 06:15:50 PM
(Sad eyes) It's not a Huey....
Post by: wilsonphil on November 18, 2022, 06:26:59 PM
The pitch(movement) of the blades is controlled by engine oil. There is a prop governor on top of the engine case that directs oil to this dome thru the transfer tube. took about 2 hrs to remove and it left for the overhaul shop today.
I should get it back in 3 months!
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Post by: wilsonphil on November 19, 2022, 08:30:17 AM
Big unknown is corrosion, the blades have an epoxy chuff that sometimes cracks and lets water get between the bales and the epoxy bond. Planes in normal operation typically it dose not bother. its the units like mine that just sit around that develop issues.
Spare parts have dried up for the most part, all the surplus parts are pretty much gone so if I need blades it will get real pricey, figure a good serviceable blade might be as much as 10K ea. hopefully my unit will just need a normal standard overhaul.
Post by: wilsonphil on November 19, 2022, 09:02:19 AM
3 months is crazy. I think everyone is using covid as an excuse.
Its not Covid or the shops blaming Covid, the real issue is dependable help EVERY shop I have talked to has told me the same thing that they cannot find good people or people that will show up to work. I have seen this even in our industry its a very bad work ethic out there right now.
Its what happens when you pay people to stay home and pay them very well for that, some of the people I recently interviewed were telling me they were making 2-3K a month during covid.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 19, 2022, 10:51:51 AM
Let’s go Brandon.3 months is crazy. I think everyone is using covid as an excuse.
Its not Covid or the shops blaming Covid, the real issue is dependable help EVERY shop I have talked to has told me the same thing that they cannot find good people or people that will show up to work. I have seen this even in our industry its a very bad work ethic out there right now.
Its what happens when you pay people to stay home and pay them very well for that, some of the people I recently interviewed were telling me they were making 2-3K a month during covid.
Another lost generation. Those that work had and get ahead will be told they only succeeded due to some “privilege” they didn’t earn. And then be burdened with taxes to pay for the lazy
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Post by: JR on November 19, 2022, 11:23:58 AM
Well I would say it is covid related to a point. SO many were told to stay home, got benefits for being alive and had bills payed for them or extended out. Parents let em live at home way longer or come on back and have it easy.
But yes we have a large part of our workforce now who just don't. So many good solid ethics have dried up.
Post by: wilsonphil on November 19, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
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Post by: wilsonphil on November 20, 2022, 10:56:47 AM
Most of you know just having experience or a pilot saying they have X thousand hours dose not mean they are good pilots or use good judgement.
The CAF dose not have a stellar reputation, I will not bad mouth because I have not dealt with them personally. Do a internet search and you will see what I mean.
I used to run around and work the airshow/air race scene but I learned real fast what that was all about.
I like to go to airshows but do want to be part of the "groupie" crowd
MOST of those owners are just into the flight suits, glamor, rich guys that don't have really any appreciation of the aircraft they own. Its a shiny new toy that is more investment than a airplane. They do the absolute MIN to keep the plane flying UNLESS it involves polishing or some new avionics package. In most cases they are just own the machine to stroke their ego. They hire the cheapest people they can find to work on the planes that should not be consuming oxygen let alone working on airplanes.
I love flying, all types of aviation. I love the mechanical aspect of aircraft and enjoy working on them as much as flying, I just want a solid mechanical bird everything else is secondary.
The T28 or any "warbird" for that matter is not something you buy to be a easy/pleasant flight experience.
If you want nice you would buy a PC-12, TBM or Caravan or Piper M600
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Post by: wilsonphil on November 20, 2022, 05:09:00 PM
You said aluminum and my first thought was how sexy polished would be!!! Oh man
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Im not into the polishing group. They do look nice all polished up but I'm more of a function person. I really like what Redbull did with their T28!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnPFoiN0JrE
Post by: JR on November 20, 2022, 05:20:47 PM
Post by: Nate on November 21, 2022, 09:09:37 AM
No, many reasons why. You saw one of them right there with that airshow.
Most of you know just having experience or a pilot saying they have X thousand hours dose not mean they are good pilots or use good judgement.
The CAF dose not have a stellar reputation, I will not bad mouth because I have not dealt with them personally. Do a internet search and you will see what I mean.
I used to run around and work the airshow/air race scene but I learned real fast what that was all about.
I like to go to airshows but do want to be part of the "groupie" crowd
MOST of those owners are just into the flight suits, glamor, rich guys that don't have really any appreciation of the aircraft they own. Its a shiny new toy that is more investment than a airplane. They do the absolute MIN to keep the plane flying UNLESS it involves polishing or some new avionics package. In most cases they are just own the machine to stroke their ego. They hire the cheapest people they can find to work on the planes that should not be consuming oxygen let alone working on airplanes.
I love flying, all types of aviation. I love the mechanical aspect of aircraft and enjoy working on them as much as flying, I just want a solid mechanical bird everything else is secondary.
The T28 or any "warbird" for that matter is not something you buy to be a easy/pleasant flight experience.
If you want nice you would buy a PC-12, TBM or Caravan or Piper M600
its interesting sometimes when you can get a peek behind the facade and find out the truth.
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2022, 05:07:58 PM
BAD news, 2ea bad blades. I knew this was a possibility when I sent it out. So I am searching for parts, I might of found some but its a crap shoot until the shop says OK with anything I have sent to them for inspection .
As I said people are not bashful with asking prices.
Pictures attached of the failed units, they failed on corrosion. The pitting you see is from Shot Peen the craters is the corrosion. These pictures have been magnified so thats why it looks like that.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2022, 06:28:36 PM
Sorry man. Good thing it's caught in inspection though rather than proven in the air.Aient that the truth
Comair, the airline I flew for
Operated Brazillia 33-passenger (EMB-120) turbo-prop airplanes when I first showed up to fly.
I actually got type-rated in the thing
One of ours, departing OHR had a prop fail and come off over Lake Erie.
The company and the manufacturer wanted so badly to know what happened and caused the failure that they hired people to dive really deep and retrieve it
Well, they found it and brought it to the surface, then to a prop shop
The cause was: Corrosion and metal fatigue.
Stuff that weighs that much that is spinnin' that fast has no appetite for corrosion, imbalance, cracks, or, really, anything!
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2022, 07:06:40 PM
A lot of these planes were at one time operated in a sea/salt conditions and once it gets in it never sleeps. Too date I am not aware of this blade ever failing in operation on any configuration that doesn't mean I want to be the first.
https://simpleflying.com/uk-deadliest-helicopter-accident-anniversary/
This was due to corrosion, I guess they thought it would be OK to operate in a high salt environment and now worry about it.
Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2022, 11:01:12 PM
Yea throwing a blade one one of these(any rotating assembly) is usually followed by engine leaving the firewall right after that.The rule the military uses to define operation in a corrosive sea-salt environment is within 50 miles or 5,000 feet
A lot of these planes were at one time operated in a sea/salt conditions and once it gets in it never sleeps. Too date I am not aware of this blade ever failing in operation on any configuration that doesn't mean I want to be the first.
https://simpleflying.com/uk-deadliest-helicopter-accident-anniversary/
This was due to corrosion, I guess they thought it would be OK to operate in a high-salt environment and now worry about it.
Within that environment, the aircraft needs to be thoroughly washed with tons of water after use. Anti-corrosive oils, paints, and the like are also needed. Wheel bearings need to be repacked every time the wheels/tires touch salt water. A special primer, the ruddy rust-colored stuff needs to be applied over the zinc chromate. There were a ton of other things like operating the engines while water spray was directed into the intake stream and stuff like that. Might want to get up on the Navy's anti-corrosion program and cherry-pick from what they do.
Post by: wilsonphil on December 17, 2022, 08:50:04 AM
The squids operated the T28 just North of my current location in Corpus Christie for many years, and I have seen a couple T28 that came out of there most were pretty clean.
The sad fact is my plane is 70yo and parts are disappearing/gone or are horded up and those people think parts a worth million dollars. and part you do locate you have no history on.
The Polish have actually started making P51 blades again and from what I'm told they are getting 12K per blade(X4)
All of this bothers me so I'm planning on a project in the very near future, this one all of you will enjoy.
Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2022, 12:16:48 PM
Well I plan on keeping this bird away from Salt as much as I can. This plane is really clean from a corrosion standpoint one of the reasons I bought her.Re-engine with a PT6
The squids operated the T28 just North of my current location in Corpus Christie for many years, and I have seen a couple T28 that came out of there most were pretty clean.
The sad fact is my plane is 70yo and parts are disappearing/gone or are horded up and those people think parts a worth million dollars. and part you do locate you have no history on.
The Polish have actually started making P51 blades again and from what I'm told they are getting 12K per blade(X4)
All of this bothers me so I'm planning on a project in the very near future, this one all of you will enjoy.
That's my guess
Put a big "X" on the fuselage for about a year then certify it and drive on. Probably get a lot faster just with the contour of the new nose getting rid of that blunt front thingy
Just don't put a dummy in the cockpit and strap it onto a Falcon heavy and shoot it into orbit
Second thought
You could have the first Trojan that flew to mars or the Kepler belt or somewhere like that
Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 31, 2022, 10:21:35 AM
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2023, 09:23:49 AM
Found a parts plane at the air museum this weekHow would that work?
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You pay for the swap of those serviceable parts in exchange for your worn parts?
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2023, 12:20:42 PM
Sure enough they may or not be in better shape. Or just sneak in at night take what ya needNot that easy pulling something like a prop...
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 01, 2023, 06:02:31 PM
I think you are sellin phil short lol he got a plane flying in a weekend with tools from a pickup truck lolSure enough they may or not be in better shape. Or just sneak in at night take what ya needNot that easy pulling something like a prop...
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Post by: JR on January 01, 2023, 06:26:30 PM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 01, 2023, 08:12:33 PM
Are they really going to let him mess with a museum plane?No, 100% satire my friend
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Post by: wilsonphil on January 02, 2023, 08:52:39 AM
I think you are sellin phil short lol he got a plane flying in a weekend with tools from a pickup truck lolSure enough they may or not be in better shape. Or just sneak in at night take what ya needNot that easy pulling something like a prop...
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Well thats not 100% correct it took two weekends!!
Post by: wilsonphil on January 02, 2023, 08:56:14 AM
Found a parts plane at the air museum this weekHow would that work?
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You pay for the swap of those serviceable parts in exchange for your worn parts?
I actually went to a Museum I know that has the prop I need and proposed that exact swap I said I would cosmetically restore my prop in exchange for their prop as long as it was good.
+money but that was met with a resounding NO!
Post by: oklawall on January 02, 2023, 09:22:35 AM
Well from personal trying this for Air Force aircraft and aircraft sitting at the gate on to a base . I got a big no also. Military retired aircraft don't belong to the base or the Air Force any longer , they belong to congress and unless it will do something for them they won't approve it.Found a parts plane at the air museum this weekHow would that work?
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You pay for the swap of those serviceable parts in exchange for your worn parts?
I actually went to a Museum I know that has the prop I need and proposed that exact swap I said I would cosmetically restore my prop in exchange for their prop as long as it was good.
+money but that was met with a resounding NO!
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Post by: wilsonphil on January 02, 2023, 09:27:36 AM
Well from personal trying this for Air Force aircraft and aircraft sitting at the gate on to a base . I got a big no also. Military retired aircraft don't belong to the base or the Air Force any longer , they belong to congress and unless it will do something for them they won't approve it.Found a parts plane at the air museum this weekHow would that work?
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You pay for the swap of those serviceable parts in exchange for your worn parts?
I actually went to a Museum I know that has the prop I need and proposed that exact swap I said I would cosmetically restore my prop in exchange for their prop as long as it was good.
+money but that was met with a resounding NO!
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Yes, i would not even attempt with any aircraft on a federal installation for that exact reason, this was a private non profit museum so I thought they might be open to the idea and it would give them cash for other projects and operations.
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2023, 10:15:51 AM
Look, I can allow him thatI think you are sellin phil short lol he got a plane flying in a weekend with tools from a pickup truck lolSure enough they may or not be in better shape. Or just sneak in at night take what ya needNot that easy pulling something like a prop...
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and
He built a rocket(s) that lands itself
and
He survived Kalifornia
But stealin' a prop under a street light near a busy street???
Come on!
8-)
Post by: KensAuto on January 05, 2023, 10:36:43 PM
:)
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Post by: wilsonphil on January 11, 2023, 12:09:05 PM
Nothing a little JB weld wouldn't fix. Get the slow dry stuff. It's good for Mach 6.
:)
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Oh Ken was H sitting on your lap again, reduced the flow of blood to the brain????
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Post by: wilsonphil on April 13, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
This whole experience has left me with a little sour taste SO i have been working a project in the back ground.
I will post up prop install pictures and the longevity project I have been working on soon.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 22, 2023, 06:02:20 PM
I hadn’t forgotten about getting to boca chica. New gig had me tied down for a while. Hoping to get back down there soon.
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