Something diffrent

[wilsonphil]

I promise I think all of you will enjoy.

Stay tuned!

[Flyin6]

Come on! I hate guessing!

[KensAuto]

I promise I think all of you will enjoy.

Stay tuned!

How long we gotta wait?
I hope it's not as long as it took you to get ready for prom.

[Sammconn]

 

Insert final jeopardy music here…

[wilsonphil]

I promise I think all of you will enjoy.

Stay tuned!

How long we gotta wait?
I hope it's not as long as it took you to get ready for prom.

Ken Ken Ken, I'm getting visuals of you and "H" on your prom night ridding in the square body bench seat truck.  I sure it was cozy!

Friday I will announce.

[JR]

Friday, thats crewel,,,,,,,

[KensAuto]

But but but Friday is a long way from now

[stlaser]

I promise I think all of you will enjoy.

Stay tuned!

How long we gotta wait?
I hope it's not as long as it took you to get ready for prom.

Ken Ken Ken, I'm getting visuals of you and "H" on your prom night ridding in the square body bench seat truck.  I sure it was cozy!

Friday I will announce.

You mean she fit in a regular cab at one point?

[JR]

Look at the forum heading

[stlaser]

Look at the forum heading

Maybe he gotz drone footage of pulling a Tex with his mower?

[Flyin6]

Naw,
He has a free ticket for one member here on the first Mars mission1
I knew we'd make history at some point!
Love that SpaceX!

[EL TATE]

I promise I think all of you will enjoy.

Stay tuned!

Always intrigued. got a reminder set

[wilsonphil]

Ok kids(Ken) as I said it is something different.

This plane is a T28D, came off the assembly line in 1951 as a "A" model.

it needs love as its been neglected and not well cared for.

oil change like you like.

[EL TATE]

Ok kids(Ken) as I said it is something different.

This plane is a T28D, came off the assembly line in 1951 as a "A" model.

it needs love as its been neglected and not well cared for.

oil change like you like.

Oh but it's soooo cool! Is this YOUR new toy??

[Sammconn]

Oooh. This is something different.

Will be an odd oil change for here…

 

[wilsonphil]

Ok kids(Ken) as I said it is something different.

This plane is a T28D, came off the assembly line in 1951 as a "A" model.

it needs love as its been neglected and not well cared for.

oil change like you like.

100% mine

[KensAuto]

Freaking awesome Phil.  Worth the wait.

Don't you dare go dark on us again...or I'll send H to have a talk with you!!

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[JR]

That is sweet. I have 3 of them RC (micro-6ft), I like camo!

[TexasRedNeck]

Those mountains don’t look like Boca Chica!

Very cool. 


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[Bigdave_185]

Um Phil.  Your in Ogden airport?


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[wilsonphil]

Negative the T28 is in Ogden.  I am everywhere

But very soon will be in Ogden getting her ready to fly again.

[Bigdave_185]

Negative the T28 is in Ogden.  I am everywhere

But very soon will be in Ogden getting her ready to fly again.

I’d love to come check it out in person !


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[wilsonphil]

That can be arranged.

Are you local?

[KensAuto]

That can be arranged.

Are you local?

He's in Ogden. 

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[Bigdave_185]

That can be arranged.

Are you local?

Yep, Ogden it is


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[Flyin6]

T-28 Trojan!
Ex-Army bird by any chance?
I'd love to get a little time in that
Tandem seats?
Dual controls?

[wilsonphil]

Don,

Yes T28-D Trojan.  The D models are rare.

This unit is full IFR to 35K ft (will be) is Dual control(trainer).

So these were never in Army service, USAF and then the Squids thought they looked good and didn't want the USAF having all the fun.

LOTS of history with this series it was in use with the Squids until 1984.

Don once i get her back in the air it would be my pleasure to let you take the controls just remember the prop is supposed to be out in front

[Flyin6]

Don,

Yes T28-D Trojan.  The D models are rare.

This unit is full IFR to 35K ft (will be) is Dual control(trainer).

So these were never in Army service, USAF and then the Squids thought they looked good and didn't want the USAF having all the fun.

LOTS of history with this series it was in use with the Squids until 1984.

Don once i get her back in the air it would be my pleasure to let you take the controls just remember the prop is supposed to be out in front

Couple of things.

First of all, the prop is always in front of the airplane except during and after a catastrophic crash! ;-)

Where it is relative to terra-firma is in the hands (literally) of the guy driving.

Second I believe those D models served well into the 90's and possibly into the twenty-oneth century with the US Army Airborne board. I have flown in and around them before. They were used to trail USAF cargo planes dropping experimental loads under parachute. He Trojan could fly fast enough to keep up then maneuver and slow up to accurately film and document the load/parachute activity of the "experimental" load while it made its way earthward.
They were "D" models because of the three blade prop. They were all tandem seat, but controls taken out in the aft bay. I found references putting there at Ft Bragg in the 1970's...but
They moved the Airborne test activity to Pope Air Force Base which is attached to Ft Bragg. They parked them on the opposite side of the field from the USAF ramp where all the C-130's or C-17's or whatever was parked. I know they were there because I used to park beside them on the "Army, or Airborne" ramp at Pope. Our 160th sneaky chinooks could park walking distance from JSOC if you know what that was.
I saw them there all through the 80's and the 90's until I stopped doing crazy stuff with really tough guys in unusual places.

So, I want to say that the US Army was the last operator of the Trojan in the military...BOOM!






^^^That's one for the team right there!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[wilsonphil]

So the A was the only that had two blade Aeroproducts unit, I love Aeroproducts units BTW, GREAT system.  There was logic for the small engine small prop(more on that later)

Then the Navy got love in their eyes they wanted big engine and prop + extras, so all the B, C, D are big engine(1820)  the C got the tail hook.

D got hard points for guns and racks for pest control.

T28 is a real reflection of what was going on in the world political during its time in service.

I didn't know the Army was given T28's   but not surprising could of been B or C.   

At this stage in their life they Im sure they are lots of parts from all series to keep them in the air.

Philippines got rid of them in the mid 90's.  they were the last foreign operators I am aware of but that doesn't mean they are not out still flying somewhere.

I even saw T28 and F86 in Saudi during the Storm really bad shape but they were there.   

North American built about 2K of these and a lot of the A models were converted to BCD later in their life.  Its a testament to the design and how over built they were to have such a long life span.

[KensAuto]

Dumb question but are you currently a pilot, or are you just starting the process?

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[JR]

Funny, I have never seen a 2 blade T28, only the first model (1100) had them, just 1300hp vs your 1820.

Big flipin plane compared to private planes.

Tell Don he cannot hover it!!!

[wilsonphil]

Ken, Pilot yes I am not "current" IE medical and so on will have to be updated for me to the "legal"  its been awhile since I've been PIC.  My current job has taken a LARGE toll on my outside life/fun.

JR, two blade T28A are rare the prop was life limited so most converted to the 3 blade Ham Standard.

The A model had the 1300 Wright rated @800hp  the B,C,D, had wright 1820 rated around 1450HP.  all the big engine T28 had three blade props.

[Flyin6]

So, Phil, I was actually looking into buying a T-28 once. I owned a hot rod (Highly illegal) PA28-250
N7621E, check it out
After that build, I wanted bigger and faster and there was the Trojan just begging me to come give it a whirl!
I installed a Lopresti speed cowl on it which is STC'd for a Hartzel prop, but I installed a McCauley three blade prop instead. You see, a retired Army crew chief friend of mine who is also a FAA maintenance inspector talked me into building a Frankenstein Lycoming 520 engine. We used racing jugs, venolia 10:1 pistons, headers, port work and some camshaft. The airplane was delivered with a 250HP IO-520, but this engine probably made north of 300. Part of the build, was me talking to McCauley for my "experimental." "So you have a Commanche 250 you're going to operate overseas with 300-350HP and cruise it at over 200..OK, that'll take a 79" this or that. So they delivered me a custom prop and we bolted that thing on, and made the whole airplane work. VNE was 204 and it would blow right through that. That's why the wings have brakes installed, and the tail was all drilled apart, is filled with added ribs and stiffeners, just incase we got too far past VNE to preclude tail flutter.
Well everyone and everything caught up with me one day and I was lucky to sell it. I think the guy who owns it now had to convert a lot of that stuff back to stock...Pity. It even had NVG cockpit lighting, and it was flown using NVG...

[wilsonphil]

Thats the problem with the "standard category" stuff you are so limited what you are "allowed" to do. 

That is part of the reason I wanted experiential and I can also do the annuals myself.  Or make almost anything it might need part wise.

And not too many planes right out of the box that have the performance the T28 has,  200Kts cruise and very stable flight manners.

 This unit was in need of love but nothing that couldn't/cant be fixed.

Only thing that sucks right now is $7 AV gas, @50GPH its makes for a fun day at the pump.

[JR]

Bet you its cheaper there than here. We are close to that for regular fuel!

[KensAuto]

Thats the problem with the "standard category" stuff you are so limited what you are "allowed" to do. 

That is part of the reason I wanted experiential and I can also do the annuals myself.  Or make almost anything it might need part wise.

And not too many planes right out of the box that have the performance the T28 has,  200Kts cruise and very stable flight manners.

 This unit was in need of love but nothing that couldn't/cant be fixed.

Only thing that sucks right now is $7 AV gas, @50GPH its makes for a fun day at the pump.

I know where you can find some methane in large quantities if you can figure out how to make it work

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[Flyin6]

Thats the problem with the "standard category" stuff you are so limited what you are "allowed" to do. 

That is part of the reason I wanted experiential and I can also do the annuals myself.  Or make almost anything it might need part wise.

And not too many planes right out of the box that have the performance the T28 has,  200Kts cruise and very stable flight manners.

 This unit was in need of love but nothing that couldn't/cant be fixed.

Only thing that sucks right now is $7 AV gas, @50GPH its makes for a fun day at the pump.

Phil,
If you get that thing experimental, the FAA will limit your flights severely. Like staying close to the airfield, max altitude restrictions, no IFR, no night. Almost like not flying at all. I'd just stay low and not file a flight plan...
Just a thought

[wilsonphil]

In the past I have never had much problem as long as the plane is up to par and you don't do anything stupid.  As you said stay under the radar don't make a mess

I played a lot in the experiential world on a few levels in my younger days and only had to have one discussion with the FAA, IMO they seem to be more helpful now than they ever used to be. 

In the 90's(Clinton Years) it seemed all they wanted to do was ground you for anything and everything.

[wilsonphil]

Ken, I don't need to know about the "H" gastro issues I'm sure she has convinced you the smell is pleasant and acceptable.

[wilsonphil]

That can be arranged.

Are you local?

Yep, Ogden it is


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PM me your cell Ill give you a call when I'm up there.

[cj7ox]

Looking forward to this "oil change"!

 

[Bigdave_185]

Phill.

How did the tank welding turn out?
Submerge it and weld it?
Get the fittings and gaskets out and table weld?

Any luck sourcing your carb rebuild parts?
Get the prop off?

So many questions.


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[wilsonphil]

Alright wanted to give an update,

I spent 2 weeks with the girl and got her running again!

Found lots of surprises from previous "mechanics" but overall she is still a very solid airplane.

Below is the list of what I did so far,

1.  Reinstall Hyd reservoir and refill and bled the Hyd system, only found 1ea leak.  Sad issue on this the previous "mechanic" had removed this for a supposed crack I never did find one, it was
     a big job reinstalling this system.
2.  Install 3ea new tires and repack wheel bearings.
3.  Gear swing, adjust doors and systems as needed.
4.  Instrument PNL reinstall, I had to remove many for the primary flight instruments for overhaul anyway and the isolation mounts had failed so those had to be changed.
5.  The avionics wiring was a MESS in fact I spent more time cleaning all that up than I did any thing else. A side note, when this plane was "overhualed" back in the 90's it had over I'm guessing
     over 100K+ of avionics installed, it even had GPS which was in its infancy then.  Sad fact its all pretty much worthless now.
6.  Installed new engine driven fuel pump.
7.  Install new overhualed carb.
8.  Rebuilt Fuel selector.
9.  Complete Aircraft Lube.
10.  Run Engine and adjust mixture and Idle.  Checked all engine driven accessory's
11.  Check Mag timing.
12.  Refueled, and at 7.50 a gallon it was a head shaking experience.  This plane holds 177gallons
13.  Kept asking myself why I did this.

All in All it was a positive experience, my parents drove out in their Motorhome for a week and my dad helped me get the gear swing and some other projects finished AND he had a set of jacks so we could do the gear swing.

As most of you can relate it was a real challenge some days, I didn't have my full tool box with me so I had to make/buy tools I already had but its hard to bring EVERYTHING with you to get every job done.

So what is left?

Well not much really, I have to fly out on a ferry permit since there is a prop AD due and I want to wait until I get it to a place I can work on the plane end not be rushed or pressured in getting it off the field.

1.  Reinstall the primary overhauled instrument's.
2.  Piot/static check.
3.  ADS-B install.

part of the ferry permit will be a couple 30min "overhead" flights and landings,  system verifications/oil screen checks before we head out. 

getting close to being in the air again.  I plan on returning once I get the instruments and a couple other small items back from overhual

more info soon.

[JR]

A "Don" themed fluid change, gotta love a labor of love.

[TexasRedNeck]

That’s a long list you knocked out. Where will be home base when you’re done?


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[Flyin6]

You did all that in two weeks???????????

Have a little experience...Did a "Don style" oil change on my Commanche 250 that involved a new engine...More like two years though!

Congrats.

New parts look great!

Bad mechs just ruin the experience of owning your own airplane.

[wilsonphil]

That’s a long list you knocked out. Where will be home base when you’re done?


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Not 100% sure, Ohio or Brownsville.

[wilsonphil]

You did all that in two weeks???????????

Have a little experience...Did a "Don style" oil change on my Commanche 250 that involved a new engine...More like two years though!

Congrats.

New parts look great!

Bad mechs just ruin the experience of owning your own airplane.

Yes two weeks, not hard if you know what needs done and focus your energy, keep the goal in sight dont get off track.

Yes i actually did do an Oil change also.  Overhual shops are the real issue right now.

[Flyin6]

You did all that in two weeks???????????

Have a little experience...Did a "Don style" oil change on my Commanche 250 that involved a new engine...More like two years though!

Congrats.

New parts look great!

Bad mechs just ruin the experience of owning your own airplane.

Yes two weeks, not hard if you know what needs done and focus your energy, keep the goal in sight dont get off track.

Yes i actually did do an Oil change also.  Overhual shops are the real issue right now.

You're just admitted to being quite wealthy...Overhaul shops and a T-28...Outta my league

Good on you

Ohio...?? Where?

Please say Lunken Airport.

[dave945]

Definitely, Lunken would be cool.  It’s a fun airfield to fly in and out of. Some neat planes there too.


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