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CIEMR
« on: September 15, 2014, 12:01:02 PM »
Here's my original CIEMR thread started on another web site some time ago.

I'll collect them all here

So here's this morning's CIEMR:

The new Norm vs bedrock

Well this came to me while I was still sleeping, so perhaps the effect of coffee is not necessary in some cases for these CIEMRs to occur. For those of you who don’t know, a CIEMR as an acronym for: Coffee Induced Early Morning Rant. What can I say, I was Army for so long, I learned to talk in the speed talk of the soldier which is a specialized language of acronyms, punctuated frequently with the word Hooah. Now speaking of Hooah, I don’t believe it is actually a word, but more of a generalized feeling or means of expression. For example, “Soldier, eat all of your food!” “Hooah sir” or, “How is everyone feeling? “Hooah sir” OK, sorry, I’m drifting, apologies.

More for those of you new to the CIEMR thing. For some reason I seem to be given to these Andy Rooney style essays. These things will just pop into my head and in my particular case, as the caffeine fires this synapse or that, all sorts of thoughts get combined in a rather unique manner which I will roughly equate to a “style.” Not good, but not bad, just is what it is. Hell, err, I mean Heck, it’s my style and I guess I don’t care who thinks what about it. That’s another component of these CIEMR things, the fact that I don’t care what others may feel about what I say. For some reason in my convoluted mind, I equate curtailing the message with the concept of being politically correct. The latter means very little to me, and if you don’t believe me, just ask anyone who served with me. Yup, tact was never my strong suit. But counter to that, speaking the truth is. So here’s the concept, I mostly don’t care what people think (to some extent to be completely honest) and I feel the truth should be said if it needs to be

That introduces the concept for personal responsibility, something which I assume is a given, at least for the purposes of these musings of mine. Here’s another ground rule for these CIEMR things. I am not going to dumb the thing down. I don’t like being stupid, I think we can all do better. If you have to grab a dictionary to keep up, then Bravo, good for you (Same thing). We accept stupidity in America, and although I am an American, I do not. Since this little spot in the universe is mine, my rules apply. We will talk intelligently for the most part, however drift over into the southern and hillbilly vernacular from time to time as the need suits me.

Today is election day. Today, although by the time some read this will be over, this morning remains a day of immense importance. Many millions of people who do not know their prime numbers from the prime interest rate will check a block. Some of them will be paid for doing so. Some of them will have been dead for many years, Still others some Cannine breed, and even some who will vote dozens of time in the modern tradition of twenty first century elections.

I’m a normal guy. Of normal abilities, except when it comes to making crab cakes, where for just a shining brief moment, I can achieve brilliance. Not as in light mind you, but one bite and hopefully you will agree. Back to the national task at hand, we sit at a Y in the road. We’re in a car, a 1962 Chevy Impala with a two speed power-glide transmission with no reverse. We are idling nosily (The car in my mind’s eye has glass pack mufflers) and there is a rush of vehicles coming down the road just behind us which are leaving one of the two remaining factories still in operation in America. So, we have to go.

Right or left? Which is it going to be. Going to the right will be tough. The road is straight and boring and goes against the desire for a little excitement that the left road offers. It is simply a turn toward a mundane straight road which most people use and have used for decades getting to and from that factory back to their comfortable middle class homes with little celebration. The road on the left, however looks to be fun. It’s full of scenery and curves and holds the promise of a great fun ride. But the fun road also has a lots of little white crosses planted along its length. Many folks have been killed and injured along this road over recent times. You see, even though it looks great, the camber (get out that dictionary)of this road is off by a degree or two and can cause one to lose control instantly with no warning. There are several strategically placed potholes that have claimed their own victims as well.

Thinking about it in my mind’s eye, the Chevy (which is a blue/green color with “SS” badgeing) has the best suspension technology the 1950’s can produce. The shocks are old and worn and just might not be willing to accommodate those dangerous curves. You know, sitting here thinking about it, I’m going right. I think I’ll just stay boring and just focus on getting home. Which road will you choose today? Safe/ normal? Or risky and fraught with risk and danger?

All this election banter has really caused me to think about who I am and I came to several conclusions. I like Chevys! I am definitely a Chevy man, and of the pickup genome to be more precise, although I won’t turn down a ride in a 69 Yenko 427 Camaro. I like Harleys as well. Yep, I really like those things. The Kawasaki’s, Suzuki’s and Ducati’s are all nice, but if I had to pick, I’m swinging a leg over Milwaukies best. I’m a Republican because that party represents most of what I believe in when you separate out all the lobbyists and special interests. I think Abortion is wrong, I actually think it is killing. I am a Baptist, but I put my hands up when the spirit moves me, and make no apologies for doing so. Whenever I see a wounded warrior, I tear up and hurt inside, it just gets me to my core. I love my nation and would sacrifice everything for it. I love my neighbors, I don’t like all of them, but I do love them. I believe as well that one can love and not like another person.

Well here’s a revelation please allow me to ask a question. What is love? A giddy feeling? A warm tingly sensation? Nope, none of those. Love is the willingness to sacrifice for someone or something else. It is to care more about them or it than you do for yourself. That’s straight out of the Book of Don of which you will learn more of if you hang in here with me.

Back to normal. It’s what I strive to remain and what the forces of our society are moving opposite of. It occurred to me sometime during REM 3 that as much as the forces of destructive change (loony left) push against me, I also have the right to pull back. Turnabout is fair play, right? And who sets the ground rules anyway? The uneducated, fad following majority of American society, the “Sheeple” are rather easily coaxed this way or that. Wherever the wind is blowing from, seems to be a good enough reason for change. Well not for me. Unfortunately for me God (and he is real) gave me a brain. I have learned to use it. So when you say something that goes against reason, I go “tilt.” The PC driven world of change frowns upon my stubbornness and attempts to summon me along. But here’s the thing. Who says I have to? How about this for an option? How about I just say no! How about we just say the other side is the one that is wrong and we’re just not going there! No mam, all this evidence you brought is little more than hog wash and I’m not buying it? Well, how about that for a response? I vote that is a perfectly acceptable position for us to take and that is that, on to the next subject!

We don’t seem to want to fight as Americans. I ‘ll suggest that maybe you need to get punched in the nose a couple of times to wake you up.Pain is a good teaching tool sometimes. But that doesn’t seem to work very well, all evidence weighing in, because the beatings have been happening for the past, well, many years and no one has taken notice, or worse yet, doesn’t care. We are repeatedly being punched in the nose and not swing back, and why? Scared? Don’t want to make a fuss or draw attention? What reason or excuse do you have?

I think the change we have been experiencing since the Democrats led by Mr. Obama have accelerated the change from evolution to one of revolution. Allow me to give you an example. We have wrestled with sexuality in America forever. We have experienced periods of big change from the cultural norms. In the 1050’s we hardly spoke about it, now we have porn on our TV’s. Slowly the public school system has developed sexual education which technically explains male/female functions (for lack of a better word) to the satisfaction of we the parents who are ultimately in control. With the past 4 years we have all of a sudden become “Gay happy.” Our Military accepts openly gay relationships, it’s plastered all over television and movies, and some (ME??) are even considered uncool if you don’t embrace the concept. So now there is even a proposal to teach our kids about how people of the same sex would, well, do their thing. I think that’s W A Y too far. It’s a revolutionary change, and not an evolutionary change. I can not and will not go that far, aien’t going to happen!

OK, here’s my point with all this: I think I have the right to stand upright, look you in the eye and say, “Nope, I’m not buying it, I think you’re wrong, and I’m taking my toys and going home!” I think I have every right to stay where I am and not be ushered along, down some dark, evil road. Here’s the other thing. Where am I coming up with all this, what’s my reference as my Army pilot friends always used to query? Well, it’s the bible. That’s it, ground zero, bedrock, footer, the place where I’m anchored. Although the top of the house might sway in strong winds and the roof even be torn off, the foundation will forever stay anchored.

So what happens when revolutionary change comes up against something like a foundation? The irresistible force meets the immovable object? Well, you figure that one out, cause I for one am not going down the road, that road to the left that the forces at hand seem hell bent (hmmm, good choice of words there!) to corral me toward.
I’m going to choose normal. I am going to live a (hopefully) quiet life living with my “normal family” You know, a man, a woman, kids, dogs, cats, stuff like that, loving my god, watching out for my friends and neighbors, reaching out to help those in need. And standing my ground. I’m changing the rules. I’m now the one that is right, not the trendy forces of change. Nope, it’s normal, quiet, regular old middle American and all of our gun loving, God fearing ways that are the center and norm for me. Yepper, that’s where I belong!
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Re: CIEMR
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 12:02:49 PM »
Next one. Man this one took three cups of quoffee!

Predictions:

I spent what seems like most of the night dreaming about America. It was the sort of dream I had when I would leave for an overseas assignment when I would be facing a tough task. But this one was slightly different, In it I kept hearing the words “it is done” To what is apparently now, most Americans, those words have little significance, however to those that know Jesus and read his word, those familiar words are the last that a human Jesus uttered before he died a human death. Man that’s deep, but kind of how I feel after hearing the news that Mr. Obama has secured his second term.

Funny, but a couple weeks ago I read an essay by a brilliant wall street analyst, a rather contrarian sort of guy who has predicted every major economic calamity we have had! The guy just looks at the facts devoid of the spin and draws conclusions. Anyway, the essay he published is called, “Obama’s third term.” You see, after following the logic of what has been happening and looking at rates of change he draws conclusions along the way and invests appropriately. He controls an investment firm who advises tens of thousands who have invested with some degree of success. I would be one of those who follow along, well, at least consider what the man is saying.
I hope I am very wrong about our future, but I have some predictions of my own based on our trajectory and the willingness of our very people to enable it based on their personal wants. Apparently there are more of them than us or the numbers of us are apathetic enough not to have tried to help (vote).

So here’s how I see this rolling out, and again, I really want to be wrong. I would love to be labeled an old fool over the coming decade who got it completely wrong.

Curtailing of Christianity
Christians and our faith has been under attack more and more as the liberal agenda advances. We can expect that to continue. In court battles and with legislation and in most ways we will have to walk around on tip toes always vigilant over who we are about to offend or who is going to stop some practice we want, you know hateful things we do like nativity scenes. And hate filled language we use by mentioning the name of Jesus and God. You can expect the government to reach into the church to curtail ministers, priests, pastors and so forth from talking about the parts of the bible that call homosexuality a sin. Of course it remains a sin, but America is going to make it a cool thing. Problem is we just won’t be able to go there.

There will be a rapid advancement of the power of Islam as well. CAIR and other groups who are wolves in sheep’s clothing will seize the opportunity to show how we Christians are hindering their faith. You know when they perform religious ceremonies such as marching through the streets of Dearborn chanting “death to America, Islam above all else” and non threatening things like that, our laws, law enforcement which has been locally influenced to do so, and an increasingly liberal judiciary, will of course prevent we Christians from protesting against it.

Remember what happened to Christians in Rome? I don’t know of any increased purchases of lions, but you can expect a more subtle attack, kind of like the one we are currently under, although it will advance in both its effect and reach. I could write a book on this alone, but this is a Rant. Book of Don on rants: Keep it from getting ridiculously long!


Loss of some freedom of speech
We already talked about how church leaders will find it increasingly difficult to preach certain parts of the good book because it is deemed to be offensive. Well as the gay and lesbian agenda advances, that talk will be criminalized through current laws concerning hate crimes. They were the building blocks upon which, in time, to mention your true feelings about certain subjects will land you in jail.

At the moment if we protest or speak in a threatening manner within a certain distance of the President, thanks to our gutless congress, that act may now be considered a crime. Does the term “political prisoner” come to mind? Wasn’t that the sort of thing that was happening in communist countries? Well, professor, connect the dots please!

That law will also serve as the basis for the advancement of that principle. I believe it will be geographically extended for example like this: The president is in New York worshiping at the UN, an overzealous church group in Texas might experience the habeaus grabbus by secret service because the language on their signs might be determined by some minion to be potentially dangerous to his majesty. Not too far of a stretch you know…
Again, this is the subject of a book, but space constraints and all that…

Rise of another Army
Part of the model this regime, err, administration is using, comes from Hitler’s own play book from the 1930’s. The German Army was coming back as one of the strongest military’s on earth, but their leadership, developed literally over hundreds of years was largely loyal to the traditional leader of Germany, their kings, Kaisers and Presidents. Over time the Army could be changed through the culling of their ranks, but not fast enough to get the right now help a quickly growing Hitler needed. Incidentally, the military was conservative and the Nazis were extreme liberal socialists! Bet you didn’t know that…See where all that got them, nuff said.

Here in the big part of North America, you know the part which was the United States there grows something within. The department of homeland security is the rough equivalent of the Hitler youth and the SS combined. They recently graduated their first class of 231 soldiers, err, I mean emergency responders. You know thinking of emergency responders, I get a visual image of a fireman. Goggle them and look at the pictures. Aren’t those a bunch of really young men (Kids??) with lots of guns? I looked for the traditional fire axe, but confess, I didn’t see one. They wear blue by the way, so OB didn’t go completely with Hitler’s model of building ranks of thousands of “brown shirts.” No this time they are blue shirts. Hmmm, just occurred to me, when a state goes democrat, it becomes a “blue” state.

This Homeland security agency purchased over a billion rounds of ammunition this year!!!!!! Isn’t that more than the US Army has? Now why would they need so much ammunition? Target practice? Out of control deer? Makes one wonder why, no one noticed or seemed to question that bizarre move!

Then comes the question concerning the purchase of their emergency vehicles. It seems they have also ordered a few thousand vehicles. OK, I guess I get that, if they are supposed to respond to national emergencies, you know floods, hurricanes, and the like they will need lots of trucks to carry all the food, water, blankets and things like that, right? Well, these trucks aren’t those sorts of trucks. They are mostly MRAPS. For those of you who live underground and come up once every 4 years, a MRAP is a heavily armored wheeled fighting vehicle developed for places like Baghdad and Mosul, Iraq where our guys had to contend with snipers and road side bombs. MRAPS will take a lickin’ and keep on tickin’! OK call it what you like, but to me, a dirt floor Army Pilot, that seems like the creation of an Army. And why would we need that? Well rewind please back to 1930’s Germany and again, connect the dots! I Really REALLY hope I’m wrong about that one!

Gun control
Coming to a neighborhood near you! Hey if the 1st amendment is becoming dated and Muslims and the homosexual lobby need accommodation with that archaic “constitutional suggestion” then why bother with the second amendment either?

Here’s how I see that rolling out: The UN is working on a world wide treaty for weapons manufacture and distribution in hopes of stopping all the killing, genocide, wars, and so forth. Nobel motives, but what next, regulation of clubs, stones, kitchen knives, and golf clubs? Hey, news flash: Man was killing his neighbor for centuries with anything he could get his hands on, guns just made it easier.

Our current administration supports the US adopting this treaty and participating. The cool part about all that is that OB can and will bypass the congress. Yep sure can. He brings it before the democratically controlled Senate and they vote on it. If they say yes, it’s a done deal, then the United States becomes a signatory to it. Then just like that the UN is in control of guns in America. Don’t worry it won’t happen right away, no, a killing cancer grows slowly, reaching all over before striking it’s deadly final blow. We will first need to register our weapons. If you don’t then those unregistered shotguns in your closet become illegal unregistered weapons. Now what do they call a person in possession of illegal this or that’s?? Come on, shouldn’t take very long?? Well if you said criminal, you’re correct.

You see how that worked, half of the weapons became something that cannot be passed on through inheritance, given as gifts, no nothing like that, they are illegal. When discovered, they will be destroyed. And those who are caught with them will be jailed. When that happens a lot of folks will get scared and willingly surrender their guns to avoid incarceration. More guns gone. Buy a weapon or ammo? Forget it. Will take an act of congress to purchase your single shot rubber bullet triple safety, .22, “peoples gun.”

Unfortunately the criminals will not get all the memos and as economic conditions spiral ever downward, will become more and more motivated. Look at what happened to Australians when they surrendered their guns last century. Criminals then started home invasions and would occupy those homes until morning having their way with the family members, well the female family members mostly. Don’t believe me, goggle it, read about it! It happened, is happening.

Control of the US by other nations
I’ve just discussed how the UN will intervene in our national affairs through the gun control treaty. But there’s more. There is another treaty that seeks to give control of the oceans to come under the UN. Here in the continental US, our national boundaries extend 3 miles out to sea, and you better believe we control a great deal more that just that. These are our waters not the Chinese or the Russians. The UN seeks to control those as well through treaty. Think about the world as a whole, can you possibly imagine anything that everyone will agree on? No, neither can I, but never the less in New York the countries of the world labor away at trying to appease every nation. Whatever comes from all of that will never work, heck even my kids know that, so why let them in to our national discussion. Well the reason is to downsize America in world standing, I believe our (possibly Kenyan born) communist influenced (Marshall Davis) American imperialist idea hating president wishes to make all that right. He sent Churchill’s bust back th the British embassy didn’t he? He props his feet disrespecting the resolute desk, built from timbers from the HMS Resolute, a British war ship and a gift from the King of England to us. Heck the man hates the idea of us and wishes to apologize to everyone for all we did while enroute to his happy little UN run socialist state. The problem, of course is the hundred million or so of real Americans who will not make that change easily. Hence the department of homeland security, the MRAPS and the billion rounds of 5.56mm ammo…

Rapid advancement of the gay/lesbian agenda
Driven by momentum gained through concessions by our military they will continue to push. 4 more years will probably see the appointment of more liberal Supreme Court judges. You can bet the judiciary will slowly at first then more quickly evolve into something more like the wacko 9th circuit court of appeals on San Francisco, gay capitol of the planet. So when you or I show up in court standing against Mr. and Mr. creampuff, how do you think we will fare? And as more and more rulings, designed to “send a clear message” are heard, we will either have to back down or stand our ground. The word for the first few that do which comes to mind is “Martyr!” I know this all sounds a little far reaching and crazy, but the safety on that gun was just switched off yesterday with the election results.

The hate laws will grow in breath and reach and we will have to stand up and argue to try to convince a population who elected and reelected this bundle of lies, deception, smoke and mirrors we have, and I think we will find ourselves less and less successful.

Taxes
The bush tax cuts expire next year. Big tax increase there. The Obama care is a tax increase regardless of how you dress it, that’s coming as well. The assault on the wealthiest Americans once millionaires, now down to what 200 thousand ish. Folks, that’s just a stepping stone toward all those rich bastards making 180, no 140, heck, 90,000. Same folks opening businesses, seeking professional careers and so forth. None of OB’s people mind you, who wake up at noon and stumble to the mail box in their hung over state looking for the welfare check so they can make that two month late caddy payment.

Medicare fees are on the rise big time. They essentially nearly double next year, then double again the following year. Our elderly and disabled will be paying four times as much with their fixed incomes for a worsening health care. Of course with “death boards” the cost of keeping them alive will vanish as all of that nonsense will be replaced with “end of life counseling.” Anyone here think I’m making any of this up?

Americas standing in the world
A lot of the money the president wishes to save to apply to more programs and bailouts, yes, more of them coming as well, is coming out of the coiffures of the military. We are going to stand down a good percentage of our military. The lie is that our weapons are more destructive and it takes less of them to do the same damage as all this stuff we have now. Yea but if the spark plug fouls in that F22 Raptor which replaced 4 F-15’s which replaced 16 F-4 Phantoms, then we just lost 4 times as much stuff to throw up and break bad guys stuff coming at us! The Navy’s strength is going to be whittled below the minimum number of ships its leaders feel they needed to prosecute a two front war, which has been our defense model since, well we flew terodactyls. Senior leaders who resist the will of his majesty are quickly handed their walking papers these days so those remaining nod in the affirmative more uniformly. This weakness invites invasion and wars. Heck if Iran feels they won’t get punched by an America busy with the Chinese, they will move. As we attempt to respond by pulling assets off our southern borders, the cartels will fire up and do their thing. It just goes on and on like that until someone gets hurt or ceases to play (surrender??) Who do you feel that someone will be?

Military and wars
Well I just talked about that to some extent, but try this scenario on for size. Because of all of the above some Americans are pushed past the tipping point and fight, actually fight back. Did you know the US Army is teaching “The Darlington Scenario” now at its war college? That’s as in Darlington South Carolina. As in insurrection and how that thing plays out.

So the skirmish that results from whatever catalyst, take your pick, there will be plenty, but my bet is that it has to do with gun control and gun collection. That will be go time for a few. Well, when that happens, other groups will launch as well. The president will (through executive order) throw the internet kill switch and assume control of the media. Hell they will likely willingly volunteer. Fox News, however will suffer tremendous casualties!

The thing will spread as inexperienced and overzealous homeland security are deployed and do some bad things. One way or another martial law is declared, regionally at first, then nationally and the whole thing caves in. As the fighting increases the transportation system is disrupted to the point that essentials are no longer moving. Grocery shelves which haven’t already been ravaged are cleaned out. Fuel supplies dry up, people stop going to work, and real mob driven crime breaks out. At this point there will be wholesale killing the likes of which none of us have ever seen. Regular Americans will have to protect themselves against rampaging mobs who are scared, hungry or just criminal. Never the less, the result is the same.

Unbeknown to us, the President calls upon the military and all police are nationalized. Most police, however will not show up as they will stay home to protect their families. Those that do show will be detailed to protect vital infrastructure or be overwhelmed quickly by millions of angry citizens with guns. To a lesser extent the military will also be only partially present for duty. Many within those ranks will not know what to do, They will have never looked through their weapons sights at their own people. I doubt the military will be able to control the nation at large, it will likely be used only to protect the government and vital areas.

That’s when the big decision is made. Mr. OB will call upon his UN buddies to send help. That help will come in the form of one half to one million or more Chinese soldiers. They will be happy to answer the call to help their neighbors in distress. Of course the fact that the recently discovered oil reserves in the US making us the largest reserve in the world and the fact that they have no such reserves probably would weight their decision to help, don’t you think? But what the heck, since they’re here, and knowing the world’s newest “third world nation, the United States will need to sell oil to get back on its feet, they gladly continue to develop our (their) supply and conveniently haul it off to their waiting ships. In the end they never go home, and just stay here as long as they feel it necessary all the while consolidating their advances into our national territory.

While all that is happening, the Russians gladly send their peace keepers to Alaska, concentrating on our oil fields there as well. So how do you think all those EPA rules and bans on drilling will hold up when we’re occupied?

OK, I’m done for now. Hoping to be totally wrong about everything…please be wrong!
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 12:04:20 PM »
Sort of CIEMR, but written early afternoon:

Indeed as some have pointed out the change or danger will come slowly. I did some math on our increasing debt. You may not realize but gas and food prices are linked to it. When we had half the debt in 08 gas was two something a gallon. The debt doubled in the past 4 years and the gas price vacilates from 3.50 to 4.50, regionally adjusted. Well, the debt will double again in 4 years so doing the math, gas will retail from $7 to $9 a gallon. Since most people are on the bubble already, this factor alone will be the tipping point. Oh and remember all our goods are transported by trucks buying that expensive fuel. Corn has doubled in price in the past 4 years. It will double again, providing a double wammy to a myriad of food products.
Now consider that Medicare costs will be 4 times higher in 3 years under OB care and all medical insurance will also go up and you have a real recipe for diaster. Finally, the bush era tax cuts that put as much as $500 a month or even more back into citizens pockets, and it is clear we will have a large scale failure.
So people are on the bubble. Costs starting 1 Jan are going up and incomes will also be immediately reduced. You can see those on the bubble will immediately be thrown on to the welfare system which is broke. Oh, unemployment for many areas runs out 31 Dec. It was supposed to run out in Oct, the end of the fiscal year, however OB had that deadline extended so he could get elected.
As the first wave then the second move into the desperate catagory, crime is going to rise proportionally. There will be a lot more home invasions driven from desperation. Mental illness will play a part as faithless people resort to violence. I expect public arena mass shootings to grow in number, maybe not lethality, because now a lot more people are carrying and offenders are going ro quickly find themselves shot dead by the guy standing next door. I know the movie theater does not allow weapons, but I never go inside without one. How many of you are the same as me???
We have a sniper already, although the media will downplay that for awhile until OB goes for the guns. I expect that to happen in December while we fat cat Americans are buys with the holiday season. We will wake up in Jan with a treaty on it's way to ratification by our democratic senate. There will be trouble when the gun registration begins. In areas where things get out of control, law enforcement is going to grab the guns, as in home to home siezures. It happened in New Orleans and they got away with it. When this starts on a larger scale people, regular people are going to start to push back.

I was a gun pilot in the stan. When I suspected a pickup of possibly being Taliban I'd bump on them. It's a maneuver where I pop up and arch over them where my gunner had the best shot he was going to get. Sometimes the T-ban guys, fearing they were about to die would go for it, start shooting. You know, use it or lose it. Americans will do the same. When they fear they will no longer have the choice to use their weapons, they just might do some crazy things.

More predictions...maybe, but just the way I see things possibly rolling out.
Advice:
Get into silver coins, dump the IRA's and 401's, pay the fines and convert into coins. Or buy tillable land you can grow stuff on or lease.
Get your weapons and basic load of ammo. A few thousand rounds would serve you for years and give you something to barter. Stay in 5.56, 7.62 X 39, 7.62 X 51, .22lr, 9 mm luger, .45auto and 12 gage. most everything else will be hard to come by
Figure out your water situation, you need lots of clean H20 to survive.
Get a big/good med kit put together and learn emergency medicine. Know how to sew stitches? Better learn how.
Get collidial silver...best anti biotic other than anti biotics.
Can up meat and ready to eat measl. Lots of them
Get a year ot two's supply of rice, wheat, salt, meat, veggies, oil, peanut butter, and stuff like that put up
Figure out electrical power. Generator?? Maybe. A couple larger solar panels...
Figure out heat and cooking. Wood burning stove does both
If you're in a city or suburb, in a few words, you're screwed. You will not survive there no matter how many ninja courses you have under your belt.
We in the country are most likely going to reject you as well, when having to choose between feeding you or our children. So spend time thinking and figuring that out, or if not, then don't bother to prepare, you won't really need to...
Network, train and drill with like minded folks. I have doctors, engineers, warriors, farmers, and the like in my sphere. All will have a job if we can't rely on big brother, which we will most likely not be able to.
Look at New York at the moment. What, the richest state in the richest country on earth and FEMA is there, yet they have no heat, yet and that damage im really minimal considering what could come.
Nuff for now
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 12:05:53 PM »
I think I'll rename this the CIEMR and survival thread.
In that vien, allow me to share some stuff.
I actually teach some of this prep/survival stuff.
I already mentioned some things.
You will need a bug out bag, I have a couple of them. Here's a list of stuff to put in one to get you started:
The spacing is all junked up because I just cut/pasted one of my lesson plans but I'm betting you can wade through it and figure it out.


Subject: Runaway Bag Contents
The purpose of the runaway bag is to provide the user with emergency need items prepacked in a convenient ruck sack type bag. The bag would normally be stored in a vehicle, aircraft, or even at your primary home or emergency shelter locations. The contents of the bag are varied depending on what needs one feels he/she must be prepared for.

Type of bag:
The best type of bag is one that is large handbag or small ruck sack sized. It should be of a sturdy hiker or military style with reinforced stitching, a heavy duty bottom and provide some water proofing for its contents. I would choose a bag with some exterior pockets, perhaps two to three to help in the organization of the contents. Later styled military bags will come with exterior nylon webbing sewn on in a regular pattern which is called Molle (MOdular Light weight Load carrying Equipment). The purpose of the MOLLE (pronounced “molly”) is to provide a customizable exterior where you may affix readily available pouches, sheaths, or bags.
Whatever bag you select, do not compromise on the quality, you don’t want the bag to tear open spilling out your medical supplies when you’re on the run from a hazardous area. A good surplus military rucksack is a great cost effective alternative to some of the new trendy bags. Just do a good pre-flight of the bag prior to purchase to make sure it is in decent condition. A couple small holes here and there are not necessarily grounds not to purchase. If the bottom, clips, and straps are in good condition it is a keeper.
Since the advent of the two desert wars our military has fought during the past decade, the need for water has become very important. Some bags will include an integrated water bag capable of holding a gallon or more of fresh water. Just keep in mind the bag will become bulkier and water weighs about 8 pounds per gallon. On the flip side, the water bag provides a cushion for your back and as it sweats, it will naturally cool the water inside and your skin as well!

Considerations:
For a moderate climate there may not be as great a need for warm clothing or a blanket, whereas in a northern climate those items would be paramount. Generally speaking the bag will always contain several items because of their universal need. The size of the bag normally should remain smaller so that it will net impede movement and slow you down. Therefore the goal will be to keep the bag relatively light, say no more than 30 pounds again, dependent on who will be carrying it. A full grown man could easily walk all day with 30 pounds, where as a woman or child might not be able to handle that much weight at all.
You may want to put a couple of bags and preposition each in convenient places, say one in the home and one in the trunk of your car. One of your bags might be more universal in what it contains whereas one might be heavily loaded with just a few things you absolutely need and expect to need in quantity. For example a bag to be used in a arid location would obviously contain more water than anything else. A bag to be used where you anticipate urban warfare like conditions might have extra ammunition for your personal weapon. When flying in Afghanistan I always knew there was a threat of being shot down. If that were to happen, I would immediately have been in a survival situation, not due to lack of water or food or shelter, but under threat from those who had shot down the aircraft. Therefore I carried hundreds of rounds of ammunition to help me ward off attempts to kill or capture me, while hopefully others came to my rescue. Long term survival was never going to be an issue. Contrasting with that situation when I would fly in remote mountain areas, I would make sure I had items needed to survive there for days or longer while I awaited search and rescue.

Recommended bag contents:
1. A high quality knife or survival tool with a strong knife blade. Single edge is for survival, double edge is for fighting. Note: Do not purposely engage in a knife fight unless you want to get cut!
2. Water bag or canteen(s). Water bladders which fold down are very useful for bulk storage.
3. Fire starting device such as waterproof matches, a lighter, magnesium fire starter, steel wool and 9V battery. Fire is important so have multiple devices on hand.
4. Signaling device such as a mirror, flare, smoke device, strobe light, or VS-17 panel
5. Compass (attached by a lanyard to pack)
6. Space blanket
7. Flashlight, blue/green lens filter (Reason: Tactical, more on this later)
8. Spare batteries
9. GPS
10. Needle and thread
11. Rope or nylon cord. Military “550” chord is a favorite.
12. Lip balm, sun screen, insect repellent
13. Sunglasses, spare reading or prescription glasses
14. Hat, full brimmed or insulated and waterproof. Place money bandages, thread, and so forth in the brim.
15. Poncho and possibly a poncho liner (Military surplus with a camo pattern)
16. Medical Kit consisting of:
a. Bandages, combat type, US military or Israeli military.
b. Bandages, square cotton type
c. Medical tape
d. Band-Aids
e. Anti bacterial ointment
f. Tourniquet
g. Quick clot type product
h. Heavy Duty Scissors
i. Alcohol wipes
j. Sterilizing wipes
k. Emergency sling
l. Aspirin, 325 mg
m. Anti-biotic
n. Burn cream or ointment
o. Diarrhea control medication
p. Any medication you currently take and require
q. Suture kit
r. Heavy gage needle (to introduce small hole in chest cavity)
s. Breathing tube, nasal or throat
17. Radio
18. Survival book
19. Food
20. Map of the area
21. Water filter or water treatment tablets
22. Lightweight Binoculars
23. Clothing to include: (Wrap these in zip-lock bags)
a. Spare socks
b. Spare underwear
24. Foot powder
25. Ammunition
26. Fishing kit including line, hooks and a lure
27. Cash or barter money
28. Small weapon for animal control, food acquisition, protection if required) Something like a single stack 9mm pistol is easily concealed and light weight.

Training: Practice With your bag
A vital component to your personal survival is your physical condition. You should be exercising approximately once a day with either an organized activity or by merely walking a little more or taking the staircase in lieu of the elevator. When you put your runaway or bug out bag together, try wearing it during one of your walks. Take a hike of about an hour or two in length while wearing the fully loaded bag. Plan to train with some of its contents. For example, move to a highpoint in the terrain and use the compass to shoot an azimuth to a distant feature. Plan for regular drinking intervals and perhaps simulate an injury at some point.
The idea is to become familiar with what you have and where you have it packed. You might discover that some reorganization is necessary for commonly used items, or that other items are adding no value, only extra weight. If you have moved long enough to have generated some sweat and perhaps some discomfort, then any unwanted features of your bag will have shown themselves. You can consequently make adjustments and perfect the proper balance of form and function.

Some other considerations:
1. For the most part, your medical kit is for your use and not for others except perhaps your family. If and when you become serious enough about the threats to your family as well, you will eventually make up survival bags for each of them. The medical kit described above is very limited and only supports a narrow range of trauma for short periods of time. It is recommended you develop a more complete medical supply kit fitted into another ruck-sack type bag to provide more in-depth coverage of wound, injury, and sickness treatment.
2. Unfortunately the masses you will encounter during a time of civil upheaval will not be prepared. Most people, perhaps as many as 90%or more will not have anything except for the clothes on their backs. Their needs will be great and if you share your supplies you will quickly be striped of everything you will need for your own survival.
3. Consider the climatology of your area carefully when out fitting your bag
4. Will you be primarily in a rural or an urban setting? Counter to conventions thinking, urban settings will not always be the safest places to be. When disaster first occurs there will be shock followed quickly by crime such as looting. You do not want to be anywhere near that sort of activity. Some areas will fall into anarchy quickly as police and military assets are retasked to protection of higher value activities such as hospitals, government facilities and critical infrastructure. Those areas unmonitored by government forces will revert to basic laws of the jungle.
5. Construct your medical kit IAW your knowledge of emergency medicine. I would recommend you attend a good emergency medical course then equip your medical kit accordingly. Military and police often refer to the medical bag as your “Blow Out” bag.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 12:09:20 PM »
Another point. The GOP has failed us. We are conservative not middle of the road. Look I can respect a person's right to be gay, as in I can leave them alone. But when they mandate my children learn about their practices the answer is no. When they say that assault on a gay person is worse in the eyes of the law (hate crime legislation) than assault on an elderly woman. I say no, those crimes are the same.
That's as middle of the road as I'm getting and that is called fairness and you can find it in our guidebook (Love thy neighbor as you love yourself)
So we need to be conservative, not conservative and, "Oh well, I guess abortion in the case of Rape is OK." That is a compromise. It is still abortion/murder regardless of the tidy bow tied around it. We the people need to stand on our God given rights. Get on your knees, better yet, on your face and pray to he who will protect all of us through what is now coming like a freight train directly to your neighborhood and perhaps even to your home. Everyone cover down on your fellow Christian brother, we are all it seems we have. If you don't know the Lord, then stop the prideful procrastination, its stupid and downright dangerous in these times not to get to know him right away. Get that done. Find someone, you already know him/her/them and tell them you're a bonehead, a prideful bonehead and worthless, which as is written in the holy book. Actually it says you (me) are nothing more than filthy rags, as in the best we can do! So give it up, ascend from bonehead status to knucklehead status, then guys like me can do something with you, and frankly we need you as much as you need him. So move out troop, get it done, then report back with time, place, details so we can authenicate.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 12:10:13 PM »
Folks,
A bunch of you are chimeing in here. We run the gammit for experience. I can't get with everyone to do hands on training, so all we can do for now is read and acquire.
Here's a tidbit on money and IRA/401K
Most people are running into precious metals. That works fine for a time like now when a quantity of it in some vaught in Baltimore can be redeemed into numbers which are sent to some account which is also just digits.
But what can you do? I mean you can't own physical metal in an IRa can you? Well actually you can. The problem is it is in that same vaught and when you can't purchase gas or the roads are closed after dark because of marshal law, it will do you little good.
I believe all those monies will eventually be snatched up by uncle sugar, since the single biggest chunk of change in the world is, you guessed it, your savings! SO if uncle sugar grabs it and forces us into a social security sort of plan that pays you a check every month starting at age 99 that is problematic as well. With inflation a fixed income is worth less and less every month. Since precious metal rises with debt and inflation, if you had a hundred thousand in gold last year and we experienced 100% annual inflation, your cash could now buy $50,000 worth of goods, whereas your gold held fast and is worth $200,000, still able to buy exactly what you could buy last year.
OK, got that?
So how do you get the metal and also be able to put your fingers on it?
Find some special companies that allow you to roll over whatever you have into cash with them. With that cash, you now can purchase anything you want to invest in. a 1970 454 SS Chevelle, 500 ounces of silver and a black duck, it's all good.
So I choose to own metal. Here's the cool part. You get to keep it in a safe deposit box at your bank! The only thing is the box must be registered with uncle sugar just in case he ever needs to inspect it for safe keeping (wink). SO if hades arrives and it's all a mess, your silver is right there.
Don says don't buy gold. What are you going to do, shave off a splinter to buy a sack of spuds?
I'd get pre-1965 worn out US coins. They are 90% silver by law and sold in big heavy bags for around $10,000 each. THe joke is the hernia comes with the bag, free of charge.
So, think barter as well. Ammunition is now cheap, and could make for cheap long lasting barter some day down the road...
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 12:12:16 PM »
To those reading this on this site, it may seem to be missing those thoughts that tie this all together
Well, since, I've copied it from the web site I originally wrote it on, over there were lots of comments from folks which do not appear here. I do not own the intellectual rights to the other comments, but only to mine.

So we continue...
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 12:27:07 PM »
Today's lesson:
I sent this to another member, then thought I'll just share it and save my pinky from falling asleep again!

Get a weapon with out a safety. Safety nazis are all liberals, trained in the same schools and are pretty much clueless. Buy and use a new gas can lately? Nuff said! Safeties are for girls and girly men which we is not! the trigger is your safety. the safety accuator (finger) is the ultimate safety. Training is where safety lies, not in some goofy spout that causes back injury and extra spilled fuel!
I like the glock 19 in 9mm and the glock 30 in .45. The glock 19 will also accept a 32 round glock 18 magazine for hanging in there for extended shoots.
When learning to shoot don't use a paper bullseye. Use the picture of a human. Train yourself to see a person and respond to that. Shoot at 7-10 feet for a thousand or so rounds. Get a cydex or paddle holster for beltline wear and a uncle mikes drop leg for running with your weapon secured on your leg which is the best setup, however tends to freak out walmart people. mount a holster in your car. place the holster right under the steering wheel. If you ever get stopped or jacked by criminal elements it is natural for one to drop their hands off the steering wheel to surrender or get out. The difference, of course, is we are now armed.
Here's the strange part. you will need to go to a farm or forest and practice pulling the weapon and firing it from inside your car. bring hearing protection and do it slowly at first or you will likely perforate your door. Just don't let the first time a guatamalan gang member is jacking your truck be the first time that you shoot your weapon.
On shooting, none of this stuff I discuss takes into account any law what so ever. Let a jury of your peers if there is such a thing figure all the legal stuff out. When you draw you initiate a sequence. That sequence ends with the discharging of the third round, the safety shot which is your first aimed shot. it might be just one or two in the jacking case. When your gun explodes followed immediately by attackers brain case group, there will be a brief second of confusion. Use that time to dity mau (leave, get out of dodge, make tracks, get gone) if there are attackers in the front of your vehicle, good, run over them, they will be less willing and fewer in number and immediately become a smaller sized problem to have to deal with and fewer left to persue you. From what I've seen after punching a bully in the nose, they generally leave you alone anyway.
OK, that's enough for now, think about this stuff. Be good, do something good in Jesus's name for your neighbor or for some someone else and do it in secret!
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 12:27:53 PM »
Today we remember veterans, we honor them. I am a speaker at a local event where I will say some words to some curious people about something and try to honor both those in attendance and those who we lost. Being one of the .045% of Americans that served and fought I see all this in a different light than those other 99.55% who didn’t participate.

Heck I don’t even know what to say. I mean how do you explain a stare, a facial expression, or how you feel about getting out of your aircraft and slipping in a pool of blood. How can I describe being in a hospital where operations are going on in the hallways, and having to walk around all of that just to go to the bathroom. How do you talk about some bright young man full of life who you loved and who also died out there on some mission near some town whose name I have no clue about how to pronounce. I just don’t know how to talk about that stuff. I have often not known what to say. Some idiot will come up and ask “Did you kill anyone?” As if I was squirrel hunting or something like that.

You see, there is very little common ground between those who have and those who have not. There just isn’t this commonality of experience that you can draw upon and so you just don’t talk about that part of it. You talk instead about the terrain, the weather, the food, how hot or cold you were, or something funny that happened. You end up talking about stuff like that.
Imagine you are running toward a horrid scene where some really awful people are literally killing one of your family members. You have no rifle or anything, only your hands and feet. You are running as fast as you can, but you’re still too far away and the damage is playing out before you, you are watching it. Your heart is ready to explode, but your legs won’t go any faster.

I felt like that at the controls of a gunship which I was pulling the guts out of while I watched one after another truck explode and erupt into flames. I just couldn’t do anything and the damage was being done. I get there and it’s too late, there aren’t even any causalities to try to save, nothing. You can’t even take vengeance because the enemy like shifting sand has disappeared into some hole in the ground. What word describes that? Frustration perhaps, sure I guess so. Or hatred? Well some of that too. Where does stuff like that ever happen in the confines of our comfortable country? Anywhere? Does a hurricane such as Katrina produce situations like that?

I love our soldiers, I guess always will. They are the best that America can produce. They give so much without ever realizing it or caring that they are doing so, they just do. I’ll join them again someday in another place, but for today, I’ll reminisce about some of them, and wonder why. I won’t share that stuff, no, that is mine, and theirs. That’s our exclusive club and if you didn’t come to the party, then you are not invited to share those thoughts with us.
Thanks guys for caring so much, for loving your country so much. For going beyond being tired, beyond scared, beyond, “I just can’t do any more.”

Thanks for getting it done. Thanks for having courage and moral fiber and actually living the code and not just talking about it. Thanks for preserving honor and aspiring to something more than self. You are of a better sort, a lot cut apart from, well 99% of your countrymen. God bless, and protect you. Into his hands may those of you who have fallen find eternal peace. May all of us remaining, cast a searching eye upon our nation and continue to protect it as those of you who fell did so. May God with his infinite grace bless and protect our nations warriors, current and past and may he continue to Bless our nation forever.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2014, 12:28:58 PM »
Well at the Vet day ceremony, I pulled no punches! I said it loud and clear. Moral decay is here, Cancer has grown, we're in stage 4. Get right with God.

I told the people there that there were two stories in my book, one of a bunch of soldiers doing things, and one of faith. I invited anyone who wanted to talk faith to stay after and I'd give them the real story. I had a bunch stay and that book store almost sold out of my book.

I need to do that again, book sale and signing, that is, but totally for the benefit for vets.
I have an idea to put a case of the books over at the local Harley store. I need to cover my costs, but take every cent above that and donate it to the VA hospital in Cincinnati. Here's what I want to do, you'll love it. Do a donut ministry. I'll give you a donut and you get to listen to me and talk. And we're gonna talk about our savoir! Yep, you guys pray over that for me, and see where it takes off to.
Further, I would like the book thing to really take off so I can donate the monies to much mo-better causes. I'm making all of them warrior related, if you don't mind, because I, like you, also want to sew into orphans and widows and elderly as well. Just need this jibberish I scratch out to have a big enough effect? Can I get a little help with that? As in prayer you boneheads! Just ask the father to bless it and we'll all be fine. Then pray also for me to be minimized in all of this, that the focus be on those in need, and the glory be all his, i.e. he did this and not Don. Heck anyone who knows me, knows this is a God thing for sure, because, I, to, sadly, am a bonehead, pretty much incapable of doing anything like this. So it must be divinely driven.

All right what are you doing standing around, scratching your butts? Get praying!
To those of you who are offended: I don't care, leave! Go read something else!
To those of you who don't pray: Fix that!
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2014, 12:29:53 PM »
Think about it. People in Detroit are unhappy! Why, well there's all the crime and the encroachment of Islam, but all of that not withstanding, there isn't any sweet tea!

Folks in New York City are unhappy. Well, of course they are currently freezing nearly to death from having no electricity and the place is flooded, but I think they are unhappy because there is no sweet tea!

Then look at Chicago. I know some say they all hate each other because they are mostly liberals, are the murder capitol of the US, tolerate corruption, and socialism/communisn and embrace the Islam thing and every other cookoo idea, but I say it's due to the lack of an adequate supply of sweet tea.

A lot of gays don't like sweet tea either so the president is not about to drink it, so there you have it, just a few areas remaining that can enjoy the soothing, soul comforting, ambition building, creative process enhancing, good work ethic, clear thinking creating effects of the wonderfully brewed and sweetened to perfection effects of sweet tea.
Man, I'm off to Micky "D's!"
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2014, 12:30:48 PM »
Hang with me folks...still pulling stuff out of the big thread I wrote elsewhere.

I believe I was really on a sweet-Tea kick back then! :)
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2014, 12:32:05 PM »
In a town that has a church on every corner. I'd say 90% of the town are religious people. Only takes one bad apple to ruin the entire batch..

No, you're wrong! The one bad apple wouldn't have the voice to change anything if all the people from all those churches stood up and spoke out for what is right.
The problem is ours, not the loony left my friend!
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Ash not meaning to beat up on you at all, just refocusing you, that's all. Sort of my job as your senior. You have the power to change this, to some extent, that is the extent that God has given me wisdom, I am turning your head slightly and allowing you to focus on what the real problem is!
Other than vote tampering that is becoming rather obvious, Obama was reelected sealing the destruction of what we knew as America, he was reelected because Christians have become weak kneed! They have in large part become a bunch of gutless people willing to compromise their beliefs in the tennants of God by voting for OB or by staying home. We had the power to change things and set things right, but we chose to be absent on the day of need.
From my perspective: Nothing new! On those deadly battlefields, they are also absent. I keep hammering on the fact that 1/2 of 1% of Americans serve in the military. So I'm used to fighting alone, unsupported. Then the one thing that the gutless and what I see as apathetic Christians could do to help me since they have no stomach for the tough work (killing), which is voting. Well obviously they didn't do that either. I don't know how one reconsiles all of that, but I'll just put a label on it that I think fits, That of a closet coward! He's a guy who occupies a seat in church on sunday, maybes contributes 5 bucks and talks the talk, but on Monday, he's absent from life. I'd perfer he not show up on SUnday, so I could then look at the small number of folks remaining and know who I could really count on.
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2014, 12:33:41 PM »
And from Ash:

Don, if you dont mind, I want to post a few things here that really fit the mold...

You and shawn will both recieve the full version as usual, but these tid bits are worth everyone seeing...

There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it is only a hundred billion. It is less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.

Richard P. Feynman, (1918 - 1988) American Physicist



Feynman was a theoretical physicist who participated in the development of the atom bomb and was a member of the panel who investigated the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. He is often cited as the ‘father of nanotechnology’ and delivered a 1959 talk on top-down nanotechnology titled “There’s Plenty of Room at the Bottom.” Feynman received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965 for his contributions to the development of quantum electrodynamics.

Richard Feynman was known as the “Great Explainer” for good reason. He was careful to make physics understandable to his students. He said if a subject could not be explained in a freshman lecture it was not yet fully understood. Feynman enjoyed the freshman-level explanation and after a year-long sabbatical during which he revisited Principia Mathematica, authored by Sir Isaac Newton, Feynman passed along to his students what he had learned from one of the monumental works in the history of science.

The above quote ‘10 to the 11th power’ is 100 billion needs some perspective. At the time of his death, the U.S. annual deficit was $250 billion. Current estimates for stars in our galaxy are 400 billion plus or minus 200 billion. For the past four years the U.S. Federal Government deficits have averaged $1.3 trillion or $1.3 x 10^12. The accumulated deficits are known as the National Debt and are currently near $16.25 trillion or 1.625 x 10 ^13. When discussing or thinking about government spending, the numbers become so impossibly large people cannot comprehend their meaning. Usually when attempting to illustrate the size of these numbers stacks of U.S. currency are used. This ink slinger most often uses images of $100 bills.

Audience reaction at a recent talk caused an epiphany. It was their eyes. It was obvious when their eyes glazed over the audience was bamboozled or bored or both. Any point being made is lost to all but the speaker. And so a new, Feynman inspired, freshman-level illustration for large numbers is offered for your consideration.

How long, in days, weeks or years is one million (1,000,000) seconds?

The answer is: A little over 11½ days.

One billion (1,000,000,000) seconds is 31.68 years. Most adults can relate to that number.

And one trillion seconds (1,000,000,000,000) is equal to 31,680 years.

And the great economic theory of the day, borrowing ever greater sums of money to solve problems caused by too much debt, continues. The debt and deficit numbers are difficult to comprehend. But it is clear the experiment is failing. Perhaps our leaders should listen to a different bit of wisdom from Richard Feynman:

“It does not matter how beautiful your theory is, it does not matter how smart you are. If it does not agree with the experiment, it is wrong.”

Markets: The S&P 500 was down 34 points for the week closing Friday at 1380 well below the 1400 support level and some 86 points or 5.9% lower than its weekly closing high of 1466 on September 14. The S&P is up 9.7% with just seven weeks remaining in 2012. The DJIA was lower by 278 points for the week finishing at 12,815.

This pullback in the stock indexes could turn into a full blown correction. Earnings are weak and revenues are trending lower. The world economy is slowing and the fiscal cliff is looming. New Taxes will increase next year and previous tax cuts will be eliminated. The Federal Reserve is pumping $85 billion each month into the economy in hopes that low interest rates will spur economic growth and help support risk assets. The government continues to spend over a trillion dollars more each year than it takes in taxess. Mr. Market is trying to correct past excesses. The Nanny State is trying to avoid the pain of that correction and in the process is creating a catastrophe. This shenanigans can go on for a long time but one day there will come a reckoning.

The pace of decline for the private sector in France during the past two months "has been the swiftest since the post-Lehman slump in early 2009." The French government has unveiled measures designed to help industry and exporters. Those measures include €20 billion in tax credits over three years, an extra €10 billion in public spending cuts and a €10 billion hike in consumer taxes. However, despite the dramatic fall in private sector activity, the measures fall short of the "shock" therapy called for in a report by industrialist Louis Gallois, who wants payroll taxes to be slashed by €30 billion over two years. It seems these same ideas have failed to produce economic growth in other countries. What was that definition of insanity?

Banque de France, the central bank of France predicts a 0.1% decline in the GDP for Q4-12 following an estimated drop of 0.1% in Q3-12. That would officially put France in a recession for the second half of 2012. German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble is worried about the decrepit state of the French economy. According to a report from Reuters, Schaeuble has asked the German government council of economic advisers, known as the “wise men” to consider drafting a report on what France should do to turn its economy around. That should go over really well with the French!

The coincident composite index for Japan, which consists of 11 key indicators, dropped 2.3 points to 91.2 in September from its reading in August. That is the sixth consecutive month of declines and prompted the government to say the economy is at a "turning point" toward the downside rather than "pausing," as was their interpretation of the five month decline through August. The data heightens the fear that Japan is on the verge of recession.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2014, 12:34:56 PM »
Again, from Ash:

Writer is unknown...

My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees... I don't feel threatened.. I don't feel discriminated against.. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a crèche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat...

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.


In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't  our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about.. And we said okay..

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit.

If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2014, 12:36:18 PM »
Sanatized email to another member:

Another brother! Kool! Funny thing when you identify yourself boldly as a believer, real brothers come right out of the woodwork and find you. Sounds like we both just did. OK, cool secret handshake, Jesus is Lord and nothing else matters. Say that five times and click your heels and you'll be in heaven...Man don't you wish we could do that...Father God, this world has just become too much, I'm tired, I want to come home. If that was possible, there would be a lot less people on this Satan possessed world. Dam shame that we are becoming Sodom and Goroma.

Yes Sir, I am bold for Christ! Know why? Because I never know if I have another day, and I want this one to count for his kingdom. It is time for us to stop being millies, that's how the liberals (evil people most of them) came to power, we gave it to them! Well, for my part alone, I'm not going there. They are evil, they are wrong, God is the only true and real God, Jesus was and is alive and is God's only son. Anything else is not the truth, period! (with explanation point)!

Black and white brother, east vs. west. Time to choose. The mark of the beast is coming, which side of that fence do you want to fall on. For some reason my father has me all warriored up and thumping my chest in his name, and that's fine. But, I am not looking forward to when the spotlight falls upon me, will get ugly quick for me then, but then I'll be taken home where I will fall face first before my savoir Jesus and thank him for allowing me to fight the good fight.

I don't know, but I sort of hope they have warriors and soldiers in heaven, because, I sure would like to be one. Imagine serving under Michael? Wow. OK, so you've identified yourself to me, and I'm not soft spoken. So put on those self tapping soles and screw yourself firmly in place and stand up and be counted. Maybe some of those jelly filled, mustard seed, kool-aid pumping hearts in those CC's (Coward Christians) will see your example and learn some courage. Soldier on!
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2014, 12:37:04 PM »
 knew about this from years ago, but a member here reminded me of it again today, Here's the concept:

Economic Liberty



Digging further into the idea of an "economic insurgency" or individuals fighting through economic means for "economic liberty" I've started digging deeper into the American Open Currency Standard. I've researched it before, and looked into the "Free Lakotah Bank" when it came on line a few years back (I was honestly surprised to see they are still around, and still doing good business by all reports).

The idea is simple, coin "barter medallions" that have intrinsic value in terms of a commodity metal. Gold, silver, and copper. It becomes a "store of wealth" against inflation as you cannot destroy the intrinsic value of a commodity, although the value of a commodity will fluctuate against other commodities based on market forces. Don't let that scare you, the value of any currency fluctuates based on market forces.

Now the idea that communities should be able to store wealth in the form of a local currency has appeal to folks of all political stripes. Looking at the AOCS Community Currency page, Community Currencies ? The American Open Currency Standard You'll notice that "Liberal Bastions" such as Fort Collins, CO and Cape Cod, MA are on the list. I don't know if it gets much bluer than either of those locations in terms of a voting block.

Now those are only the local currencies using the AOCS precious metal barter concept. When you look at the other types of currency models (such as hours banking) you get a much larger list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

I guess if you are in the process of trying to restore liberty it wouldn't hurt to get your local chamber of commerce to buy off on the idea of barter medallions. A commodity currency that can be redeemed into fiat currency pretty at much any stage in the cycle of trade, which will keep wealth in the community. Encouraging people to convert fiat currency into barter medallions for local use will gradually transition money into wealth. It is a sound principle, and one that liberals and conservatives seem to agree on.

What if the Fed raised or lowered interest rates, and nobody cared? What if your local gas station started accepting barter medallions at a "spot price" and people were smart enough to turn dollars into barter medallions, and watch the price of gas go up (as the value of the dollar goes down) but see their wealth protected? What if your local bank started offering the "spot conversion" between the barter medallion and a fiat currency?

I've talked a lot about marksmanship being just a tool, one that is largely unimportant at the strategic level (you can win without good marksmanship, you cannot win without good strategy). But if you could take power away from the Fed simply by using an alternate currency? It seems like getting involved with your local chamber of commerce and selling this idea is something that 20 million deer hunters could do now, today, with little to no organization to support their efforts
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2014, 12:37:50 PM »
Another CIEMR:

We may have been overthrown already
You know there is mounting evidence that it has already happened. And that the enemy that defeated us is currently consolidating his position. That enemy of course is Communism, gift wrapped in the veil of a hope(less) and change and led by a hollow suit who grows ever more dangerous. Actually by the day, I believe. If what I am reading is correct the white house is creating some 50+ executive orders per day. Now, a lot of them are benign and actually helpful, and I give credit to the people who advised the President to stop lolly-gagging around and authorize the FDA to allow some new drug to be used in America. Unfortunately, though within those now hundreds (Thousands??) of executive orders are some that give amnesty to illegal aliens usurping the legislative branch (The people) defeat of the same bill and things like that
Anyone hear the presidents speech outlining indefinite detention of people who if left to their own devices will commit a crime? What? Please tell me that is just the Tom Cruise movie we are talking about!.
See how that works now? First the emerging ruling party or rather construct, gives the people a swing at it passing a bill and creating a law. If the results are other than what is desired, then a simple executive order, even issued in secret with no fanfare is sufficient to do the same thing. That is not democracy that is being ruled. Take your pick for a specific name of which style, results are the same either way.
I was under the impression that the election would decide the fate of the nation. If we voted for Romney, then we would get a 4 year breather to regroup, organize and fight, all the while, hopefully staving off the almost inevitable dropping off the cliff. But the truth is we are designed and indeed destined to drop off that cliff, it is simply going to happen. Slowly at first, with all the little changes we are now seeing then at a more accelerated rate when more and more control and regulation forces many more onto the government till and into democratically spawned independence. If you need something, like a government check to eat for example, then you are dependent. In the socialist model that’s how it works. Of course things like incentive personal drive, creativity, and success all go away, but what the hell, most Americans have lost their spine anyway, so they don’t care.
Back to my original premise, that we have already lost. Look anyone with a brain can see what is happening. Lie after lie, cover up followed by more lies and all nailed down neatly by the various chiefs and department heads who all report to the president. Eric Holder who’s failed fast and furious gun running scheme blew up and ended up killing some of his own people and a lot of civilians. Has he ever been brought to justice? Yea, he appears in congress routinely and was once even covered by presidential executive privilege. Does anyone know, that that privilege is afforded to the president alone? Think about that. The president pulled that card, all the useful idiots with their eyes glazed over from love of the half black savoir, gave him a pass. Sometimes I wish all of you that allowed that to pass had the same feelings of loss as that officers widow who now lives with the absence of her husband. I really do wish that I could make all you who voted for OB and did it again experience those feelings of loss. You created this and you allowed it to continue by not helping us hold these elected officials accountable.
The latest in a remarkable line of screw ups and cover-ups is the Benghazi thing. Now Americas General, David Petreas stands relieved and in disgrace. That’s Americas General we’re talking about. He delivered the stunning American victory in Iraq reported only in England during the surge and Bush years. His surge campaign killed over 11,000 enemy combatants taking the AQI (Al-Qaida Iraq) from some 11,600 down to under 600. That’s a big victory my fellow Americans. But because you no longer have the ears to hear it and constitution to care, you didn’t know did you How could you, I believe that all came to be during some celebrity’s riveting marriage or month later divorce! And of course you don’t read… just too many American Idol shows would have been missed if you would actually took the time to learn some current events!
Know what I think about Benghazi? I recall some talk about the Obama campaign delivering some October surprise back during the summer. Something equaling him personally killing Osama with a little assistance of ST6. Here’s what I think, book of Don: I think people in the administration and others who are assisting in the subversion of our country set that up, crazy as that sounds. We set it up or at least it’s possible that we might have, to actually allow that martyrs’ brigade or whatever wacko name they call themselves, to kidnap out Ambassador! Then later, through some remarkable deal sometime close to election time, we would arrange for a trade of that blind shake or sheik or demon or whatever he is (I prefer: moving target) for the Ambassador. I know you’re thinking conspiracy theory correct? Right wing wacko??? I sure as hell hope so. I want nothing more, nothing than for all of this to be some fantastic fantasy. Heck, since I’m a writer, with my delusional thinking, I could spin it all into a fictional novel, but I fear I may be right. So we trade the Ambassador for the sheik and all the countless idiots of our country once again see their savoir performing miracles. The A-Rab world gets their boy back who killed all of our fellow infidels, err, countrymen so they’re happier than a June bug in shallow honey, and the powers that keep the socialist transformation going get their necessary win in November.
But look what happened. A couple pesky Seals go and screw the whole thing up. You know with more conviction that a clock maker on daylight savings time, these Seal guys just react. Ask me how I know? I spent half a career messing with them, and although being a bunch of cool dudes, they all are pretty much one way with regards to combat, and saving your American a$$ if you get into a pinch. Personally I favor the boys in green over at Bragg, but I’m a little biased that way.
So a couple Seals muck the operation up trying to do what is right and the plan goes south. Orders are flying from the national command authority which seem to counter what our people in 4-star billets determine how to react after 30-40 years of military experience, training, and focus. In fact I believe more 2-3 and 4 star careers were destroyed that night than we have seen since Truman. Someone check me out on that. I know of several flag officers who aren’t worth a decent 5 year term life policy any longer. They reacted according to their heart, training and the mission. Launch the fleet and pull those people out. I used to be one of those guys who were sitting in a cockpit on some dirty naval vessel, or some rat hole somewhere with a bunch of steely eyed killers in the back waiting for the order to go. On some occasions we got those orders. I can tell you without a doubt, that if those Seals were still alive when we got there, we’d have pulled them and the Ambo along with his people out of there. We would have also broken a lot of stuff and killed a bunch of folks who really needed to be dead anyway, but, hey, that’s just me, and well the seals, and well, the generals, OK, and well the Marines, and what the H-E-double hockey sticks all the real patriots there. But you lilly liver self absorbed people who sailed this country down the creek don’t give a hoot, so for you it doesn’t matter,
On that count, go ahead feel angered that I called you cowards. That I called you out for your gutlessness, at least you feel something real for once. For me, I’m done with you. Here’s where I am with every person who I find out who voted for Obama. I’ll give you no quarter any longer. You wanted this, you got it. It’s now your baby to live with and try to survive. I will not buy you a coffee, sweet tea or a meal of any kind. I will not invite you to my home. My wife will, but I won’t. If you are here, I will be polite, but not talk to you. I will not pass you the gravy, get it yourself. I want you to feel unwelcome, because now, you are. Where I teach self defense and survival skills, you will be removed from my class. I will personally discriminate against you because I will not help anyone who helped destroy my country, and you did, you just don’t have the mental capacity to figure that out. If I see you in church, I will openly call you out and ask how you can be here worshiping the father of life while voting for a man who votes to kill unborn babies. I wish to point out publically in an embarrassing forum how you publically worship God, but privately hate God and that makes you a liar.
Back to Petreas. He is very unlike the people he works for. He has honor, the s in charge never heard the word, except that men that held to that principle could be used, then discarded at will. Petreas is told to roll with the spin, you know the pres didn’t know, the timeline, and all of that. But General Petreas looks at the mirror and says I can’t do that. Why that would be lying and 40 years of my life has been about truth and honor. So he bucks the system. His timeline does not agree. He is Americas General. If he says something different, the ice palace will start to melt.
So he is given a choice. Suddenly a day or so after the election the fact that he has had this affair becomes important enough to dismiss one of the most powerful men on the planet. I think the powers to be told him to shut up, do what he’s told or one of the most brilliant careers and finest military men of our time will fall into disgrace. HE was threatened. He did what any of us who know honor would do, he said, that being what it may, I cannot lie, this is a freaking mess, but I CAN’T LIE, it would not be right. Those same bedrock values that started this whole mess when those Seals reacted based on that same honor and training, and personal discipline and all of that brought General Petreas to this point. He is not accepting blackmail, he is standing for what is right.
BTW, ever know of a perfect man, I mean other than Jesus? One who hasn’t been tempted sexually? One? Your pastor? I doubt it? Your dad? Nope! Your husband? Wrong again. No, we guys don’t get a pass in that department, God did not wire us that way. General Petreas made a personal mistake, just like I did, you did, everyone did. All we proved here is that he is human, nothing more!
My country and my fellow man now stands divided. The lines have been drawn. And I find myself on the side of a smaller number of patriots. For us in the minority, we are vastly stronger. Their numbers will rapidly decrease when the comfortable America they know falls apart. I believe it will collapse in time and when those people come calling asking for help, I am telling you now, I will give you none. You believe in this socialist model so strongly, with regards to me and many, many like me, now that is all you have to rely on. We will no longer help you knowingly. A divided America it is, The rulers are consolidating their positions and digging in. We patriots will not go there. All this has formed two intersecting lines. I pray for all of us, that God’s protection be upon his people and for Satan’s lot let his will also be done.
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2014, 12:40:30 PM »
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I agree with the hope for the best but prepare for the worst. However, rather i be taken away before the end comes or not, I would rather die a death proclaiming my love for my Lord than live a life where a people suppress their faith
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One word for that: Courage!

Gentlemen (and Ladies as well) it is no longer time to be timid. Things are happening. Lines are quickly being drawn. I sure don't want to explain to Jesus why I was a little embarassed to tell someone, heck, scream it out. THat act just might reach just one person. Think about that. Men, and I say that because if we were men, we would lead and the women wouldn't have to anymore. We do not have to be apologetic for being what we are. Our job: Focus on the word and make decisions based on that. Believe me, you do that and the women will notice. We do not have to apologice to the God haters, let them go to hell if they want it that badly, and live a God fearing. GOd serving life which will be testimony enough to make the Fence sitters wonder why things are better off with hope!
Stand up, grow a pair, and choose!
(that's a general statement not meant for anyone in particuliar!)
Soldier on!
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2014, 12:41:35 PM »
Another CIEMR:

Todays:

Thinking of converting to Is-lamb!
You know, looking at it objectively, they have a pretty good control thing going on there, especially for us men.
They control about a third of the world and wherever they are, within that culture, the wealthy guys easily rise above the minions working down at the factory. The wealthy continue to live lives of debauchery while calling down all the workers for missing a single prayer. There is laziness wherever that culture is, and I too, sometimes like being lazy. Maybe I could get used to being lazy all the time.
They really don’t do anything remarkable so all that time I spend figuring stuff out can be better spent complaining about the rest of the world. I am already very good about complaining so I wouldn’t have to change very much at all in that area. I don’t know one good thing that Islam has done in the last 2-3 thousand years so the prospect of me having to do something for my fellow man would be low. I can take that component of my daily life off my radar screen and give it no more thought.
Being a man I will now be in charge. My wife will no longer be allowed an opinion. If she gets out of hand I can just beat her around or set fire to her or something like that, right? But I’d only use accepted, Is-lamb approved woman punishment techniques. Funny thing is I see American women flocking to birka’ville, falling all over themselves to become men’s slaves, so even though that seems all weird and lopsided to me, women seem to go for it. So if Is-lambic women are good with it, why shouldn’t I be? Now, I might have to depart from Is-lambic norms a little bit because, I’m afraid I will need to bypass the whole Gay thing they so willingly embrace.
They keep all that on the “down-low” but I’d say that judging from what I saw from 5-6 years of hanging out over there, around 90% of Islamic males are gay. Well, let me qualify that, they are only gay in my dated Christian way of looking at it. You see they don’t look at it like that. It’s all “religious” with them. Their guide book, the Cornan or Conan, or Cornman, or whatever that book is called doesn’t agree with my way of looking at it. That book, which also doubles as their law as well! (Cool eh, we can get rid of all you useless lawyers! ;-)) Well anyway if you get caught having sex with a woman who you don’t actually own, then you get your head cut off, like as in the next day. The cornman believers don’t have to mess around with due process and all that wasteful junk! Think about that. You own, err are married to a woman who is a total knock out! No longer is any of your buddies or anyone else for that matter going to make a pass at her, losing one’s head is a strong deterrent! Secondly, no one will know what she looks like, after all she’ll need my permission to come out of my walled compound, which I won’t be giving all that often. Read: No more shopping trips! That’s because other than the fact that she will be working from sunup to sundown, tending my goats, and therefore not actually out in public, for those rare times when I send her out for sweet tea, she will be wearing that tent thing! Yep, no one will even know what she looks like, just me! That’s another benefit in Is-lamb. Women’s fashion is nothing more than veils, shoes and gloves, nothing more. Last year’s camping tent with the busted main pole, can be quickly cut down into serviceable ladies wear.
Back to the B-I-G secret in the Cornman. It says if you look at a woman you get an eye gouged out, kiss one you get killed, talk to one, 40 lashes (30 lashes actually cause death so see the preceding sentence). With all that going on with women, I can see why men leave them alone. Now, very conveniently, the cornman says nothing about sex with men. So since it’s not defined and not punishable by even a finger wag east and west, you’re good to go. And since it’s good to go, the men like to get that “Culture” started early, you know with younger boys… Yep, all those years I spent in A-Rab land I saw so many boys and young timid men wearing black eyes and bruises from the “training” they were getting from their commanders, fellow A-Rabs, undefined rag heads, and so forth. Yep, I had to learn all about that. We even gave it a name. We Neanderthal soldiers called it “Man-love Thursday.” That was because Thursday nights and Friday nights, their religious nights, roughly like our Sundays, was actually the time when they were REALLY practicing their religion if you know what I mean (wink wink).
So for my part even though I’m considering embarrassing, I mean embracing Is-lamb I will have to respectfully back out of the whole Thursday-Friday thing. Don’t worry, I’ll still be attending the 24 or 25 church services on those two days, but nothing more if you don’t mind!
So the women seem to be on board with this enslavement thing. They even allow their sons to be used as sexual toys by other men, so how can all of those people be wrong?
The law thing is pretty cool as well. That is actually the lack of laws. I remember when I was in Saudi Arabia, one of our pilots was driving back from the flight line. He stops at an intersection, checks, then when clear, proceeds. The Mustang driver in the intersecting lane who never so much as slows down for the funny red sign, plows into my boy, T-boning him nearly killing the both of them. The other driver a Saudi Major felt he had the right of way because he was a prince or something like that. Well, our guy didn’t know a prince was approaching or he would have been properly bowed in recognition to the princes greatness. No our foolish American warrior just thought he was looking at an intersection with 4 normally functioning stop signs.
So the accident happens, then we find out there will be court that day. Well hard to develop a case when your boy is in a comma, but what the heck, it’s Is-lamb right? TO be technically correct, there wasn’t actually a court, just a reading of the cornman by someone called a shake. I thought that was a shingle of sorts, but over there it is a guy who is the equivalent of your pastor, sheriff, judge, jury, and marriage counselor all wrapped up in one. This shingle guy determines that, had our guy not been there, the accident would not have occurred in the first place and his royal eminence would still be gleefully enroute to his pedicure appointment at his boyfriends place. All that makes sense, right? So our boy rightfully takes the heat, but doesn’t know it, because he is in surgery or something like that. (Poor choice for him to choose surgery over representing himself before this shingle guy, don’t you think?) I can explain that as well, our boy was a Blackhawk pilot. Those guys are not chosen for their superior mental capacity if you get what I’m saying (double wink on that one!!!)
Another thing is that these Islam guys have a tried and true technique for taking over places. You know places like Dearborn Michigan. They move in and quietly fill up all the slums. TO them they are not slums. No sir our slums are what most of the Is-lambic world looks like anyway. They multiply through the judicious use of the female R2-D2 looking units. In Dearborn, those units are mostly black former American free women who are tired of all us Christians holding them down. So they repopulate and as there is-lambic slum culture physically grows, even our Police wish to just avoid the place. Personally, if you just released some of those hogs overtaking Texas up there, you’d clear all the A-Rabs out in a flash. Not sure how that works, I just know that it does work.
So as the police stop coming for those pesky misdemeanors, you know the child (boy) rape and wife burning and stuff like that, what you have is the loss of US law, and they apply their rules out of the Cornman. I apologize for not capitalizing that earlier, what was I thinking? Anyway, the Cornman has a law to live by and its called shria, Syria, sangria or something like that. So this sangria becomes the rule book and just like that there you have it, a thriving slum Is-lamb culture right here in the U-S of A.
Now this sangria law has some real noodles, I mean its powerful stuff. White people run like mad at the mere mention of it! We see sangria being consumed or practiced and we just fall all over ourselves trying to apologize for doing whatever we did. You know stuff like living our lives quietly and peacefully! Dammed Christians, you should have known, there was something out there which you did wrong, continue to do wrong or will do wrong, so get busy and get your lilly livered Kool-Aid pumping heart out there and apologize! Turn a few cheeks while you’re at it because that is what you think you should do, correct?
If it wasn’t for all the yellow spine, lilly livered Christians who recently graduated with a doctorate in Political Correctness, Is-lamb wouldn’t have a chance and we’d all be shown to be the hateful ingrates which some of us are, myself not included of course. Remember I’m the one who is thinking of switching over to Is-lamb!
Anyway, this Sangria practicing peaceful people continue to multiply, riding a wave of public supplied housing, food stamp fed welfare powered baby producing machine, and pretty soon your neighborhood has more of them that bullets in double stacked 30 round magazines. Yup getting to be a problem for you Christians at this point. Getting to be a bunch of them now and this sangria thing is showing up on billboards, in classrooms, in courtrooms and in your neighborhood. Some of you Christian bigots resist, but thank God for the rest who either do nothing or go out and apologize some more and give more and more ground. It’s all good right? The media says so and they can’t be wrong right? Since you (Lilly livered, stay in your corner Christians) never read anything except for the Kroger sales flyer, how would you know? You don’t seek out the truth, heck the news or government will tell you when it’s time to worry, right? But you have help on the way. Find yourself a good church with the likes of Jeremiah Wright or Jessie Jackson or helms and get right with your faith. Don’t worry if those preachers have to white out large passages of the bible, they are ordained ministers, they have to tell the truth. That’s what great about our nation, you really don’t need to think for yourself, there are people who will do that for you so you can spend good quality time watching American Idol…cool!
Anyway back on point. This Sangria stuff gets American public places great things like foot baths. Hmmm, never knew we needed those, but It’s all good. If Is-lamb ever leaves there will be a bunch more places to throw some goldfish! Then we could truly say they contributed something to mankind! Anyway once I learn why I need to wash my feet to go to some rundown slum where Is-lamb food is served, I’ll be more ready to embrace this whole A-rab way of life. No, really, I think I can do it!
There are still a couple, well actually many, sticking points remaining for me at the moment. I thought Jesus was the son of God, but they say he’s just a good guy. Well, hey, there is some common ground, we both agree that he’s a good guy! But they really like this guy named Mo-hammed more, I mean a lot more! Frankly I never understood why, being an A-Rab, you can’t like pigs, I mean they make ham, right? And this Mo-hammed guy has “ham” right in his name. Seems it would be a act of worship to eat a Dagwood, or am I confused on that. Well, I’m just a hillbilly, ignorant, poorly educated (I don’t have a single class of Political correctness and appeasement of the enemy in my resume) Like I said I’m fairly ignorant. I did say that, didn’t I? Can’t recall, I’m also old, but not necessarily stuck in my ways, no sir, I too can change and embrace Is-lamb, follow Sangria, read the cornman and learn to admire Mr. Mo-hammed! I just have to learn to throw out common sense, the word of God, did I say common sense? I’d have to learn that you do not open doors for women, because they are now property and also, somehow deal with all this man-love stuff. Honestly, that’s gonna be a tough one!
Oh on the plus side, there is a lot of exercise in Is-lamb. Apparently I have to walk to some place called Make-ah. I guess you go there to find out what they are making, ah, there. Some sort of secret handshake place. Anyway, you have to walk there at least once during deer season or your lifetime or something like that.
I used to hear a lot about that place when I was in the Armee. You always hear folks talking about dropping atomic bombs on it. I guess that must be the center of a disease or something and the only way to properly sanitize it would to be a thermal-nuclear bomb. To me that was way over the top, silly Armee talk. I think you call in a good pest control company and you could clean up whatever disease that seems to collect there pretty as pie! Sometimes those Armee and even the girly men over in the post office, Err, I mean the Air Farce talk the same way. And I think they have these big passenger jets that have those bomb things on the inside. They never told me for sure, just always said I was just a stupid soldier, and told me to shut up and go away.
Well, one third of the world can’t be wrong Make-Ah must be a wonderful place. Well, I’ll read some more. Oh read, hmmm, how do I explain that concept. Well there’s these squiggly things called letters and words, you know the things the spell checker on your I-Phone always changes into words you can’t understand? Well, check this out: There is a whole universe of these words. Wanna know something else? Not all of them come from Opra! Really! Insider stuff here, real close hold… If you read enough of them with more than 4 letters and one syllable (What’s that, right?) Just another word, stay with me, you’ll pick it up. Anyway after a while of reading these words and thinking, no time for that one right now, that’s another time, another challenge. So after the continued reading of these words you start to get ideas and concepts. No concepts are not candy, they’re well, well, never mind…
You know what to heck with it. Too much to do for one redneck in one day with only one pot of coffee. I guess if you don’t have it, just pay attention to the media, Opra, and the political correctness police and they’ll tell you what you need to think. For me, I’m off on this joining Is-lamb idea. Dunno if I’m going there, you know the more I think about that whole man love Thursday thing, the more the whole concept is just harder and harder to accept. See that, I really am uncultured, uneducated, and stuck in my ways. I guess I am the problem. Allow me some space to become introspective (Think about stuff) and come to some decision.
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2014, 12:42:28 PM »
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In regards to "Man-Love Thursgays", it is my understanding that this is also extended to animals as well. If this is true, I had better lock up my 4-legged critters before it's too late. 
I'm flabergasted by the thought that someone could think that something as perverse as this could be somehow spiritual or holy.

In the light of truth I think it is important to recognize the fact that Islam(b) is not actually a religion but a cult, an all encompassing way of life, kimd like the branch dividians only way-mo-bigger.
They want it to look like a religion, and honestly, a lot of folks are born into it and simply are held hostage. So pray for them and whenever you can talk about Jesus to them. I have found that the folks living in Iran are a lot more open minded about Christianity than Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and places like that
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2014, 12:45:04 PM »
From Bobby:

For us civies, I want to see body armor discussed. Lots of talking about lead flying lately. Carrier vest, plates & kevlar etc. Think whole family protection on the move. We all drive reliable trucks so how do we protect occupants while moving from one point to the next?

Shawn,
I'm going to try to answer this as best I can, so bare with me in my LANCIPWR (Late Afternoon,Non-Coffee Induced,Post-Work Rant).
Theres multiples schools of thought when it comes to PPE ( personal protective equipment). I'm going to answer, with the preface that from my own experience with PPE, and the advance warning that I am NOT as good a write as Don.

I'll start it off with some examples of helmets,armor (steel and ceramicish) and the additions that can be done to it.

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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2014, 12:46:03 PM »
That's some good information there Bobby!
I guess I'm writing a NTNGWMR (Night time not goin' ta' write much rant) WNCI (With no coffee in sight!) WTAGTB (While thinkin' about going to bed.)

The load out is so much of a personal choice. Bobby is an infantryman so he is working much closer to everyone's level than I do/did as a pilot. Our way of thinking is also different. For example Bobby thinks of bugging out on his LPC's (leather personnel carriers...shoes) Me, I like mechanical stuff, even if part of it is on fire. I just don't like walking all over the place. I loaded up my helo and if you notice, I now load out my truck. or gator, or lawnmower, or whatever.
We definately agree on one thing, bring plenty of ammo. My basic load was a 30 rd double stack mags in the gun, the 6 more on the vest for 8 total. But, I also had mag bags of 10 mags each stashed here and there in the aircraft. HE carried a frag, a thermite, smoke or two. I had frags under my seat, red smokes in the battery compartment along with my ham sandwich. Greens or white all over the place and even an AK-47 as well. That was just in case I ran out of American Ammo, all I needed to do was to "harvest" some from my friendly T-ban wearing the man dress.
All of that is no problem when you have gas guzzling horsepower carrying all that stuff around, but if I had to carry it, my basic load would go down to around 5 rounds!
Plates are another topic. I wore soft kevlar, I want to say 10-16 layers under the vest. I only wore the front plate, but it was a level 4 multi-strike in extra large. I removed the crotch and neck junk and went with it. Spend some time with a med kit. I had lots of bandages I could wad up and stuff in holes, you'll need those if you want to survive. ALso get an isralie batle bandage or two and some good blood clot stuff. I had some of that in my pockets, and sometimes I put turniquits on my arms and legs so if I needed to ai could give it a yank or a couple turns and fly to a safe landing.
One of our guys was hit in the leg in flight. He flwe away and started looking for a place to land. It took a little too long, but he did get the bird on the ground. He was single pilot, which is not a good thing to do in combat. Anyway they found him dead at the controls. I guess after he got on the ground, he passed out from blood loss and expired. You know, I guess I don't want to talk about this any more. Suffice it to say, these are some serious subjects being discussed here, and you have no idea just how real things will become when bullets start opening people up. My best advice is to avoid that stuff all together.
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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2014, 12:48:11 PM »
From Nate (Food Corner Guy):

First off I hope everybody had a wonderful day of thanks, and I thought I would give you Nate’s version of a CIEMR on all of this prepping, civil unrest end of the world or whatever you want to call it.

Having been deployed to 3 different theaters of combat for a total of 5 times and doing things like, being put on actual armed guard during the first 2 weeks of 9/11, clearing bldg’s (battle drill 6), flying through the air delivering troops and equipment, dismounted patrols, driving roadways while dodging IED’s, to protecting my JSS (joint service station) or FOB (forward operating base) from retards that want to do harm to us, I have come to some conclusions!

1. Birds of a feather flock together

2. More people (preppers) need to practice how to defend against a multi-direction attack, as well as practice how to conduct a multi-direction attack

3. Body armor is only good if you plan to be an attacker or plan to defend what is yours from a multi-direction attack. Most people don’t understand that when a prior soldier, marine, whatever starts to fire upon you and sees that you have body armor or some sort of protection will instantly move to head shots, or will have some ammo that makes body armor or protection obsolete.

4. Most people do not know how to use equipment designed to protect against whatever kind of NBC attack. Example: CS gas or tear gas, any sort of fall out, etc. More importantly they do not know how to use weapons while using this equipment.

5. Bags such as oh s**t, f**k me, SHTF, FML, bug out, or whatever you want to call them are for the most part very similar, not situational dependant. They will most likely be semi heavy and have to be made of some very durable material.

6. If you plan to stay put and not mobile for extended periods of time, you WILL become a target for attacks. You have to have some sort of a plan to be mobile or go mobile, or have some sort of a location and trained personnel that you can defend easily.

I have been doing a lot of reading, watching and thinking lately and I thought I would just offer some of Nate’s views. Do I want any of this to actually happen, NO! Will my Group and I be prepared, YES! I truly do believe that a lot of this mind set has come from numerous deployments to some pretty awful locations around this globe, and it really has shown me that regardless of how stable you may think things are, at some point it will always become unstable and crumble. Just remember that there are a million and a half ways for things to happen. I just pray that none of this happens, because I will be put into a situation where I will have to choose between the people of the US and the Military.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2014, 12:48:59 PM »
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Just remember that there are a million and a half ways for things to happen. I just pray that none of this happens, because I will be put into a situation where I will have to choose between the people of the US and the Military.


A group of us were talking about this last night, What will happen in that situation? When you as soldiers have to choose between Govt orders and the public if you feel it is unjustified? I believe I know the answer but am still curious to hear a Soldiers take? PS thanks for all you guys do, GREATLY appreciated!

Sorry if I hijacked your thread Don
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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2014, 12:49:30 PM »
Hijack away, good discussion

For my part I will not follow an illegal order. If you tell me to defend a building and a bunch of 99%ers are coming to tear it up, I'd say they made a poor choice. If you tell me to lob 2.75" rockets into a church where people were seen gathering with their families and they have guns, I'll go there all right, unload food and medical supplies and take some time to see what's up.

There's this concept called common law. It's a temr to describe a law born from an idea that has always existed. It's DNA stuff. Example. I walk out to parking lot and decide to drive your car for the next year and demand the keys from you. You see? Everyone knows that is wrong and we don't need to write any laws about it. But we do, we call it stealing and we say it is wrong and we can't do it.
I call that common sense and some folks have it. If something is making the hair on the back of your neck stand up, pay attention. If I am given things to do that don't quite wash, I'm going to question it. Its already happened to me. I have even sat on my hands and told them I just won't play.
First of all, I know the US Army may not be deployed within the US to conduce active military operations without a relaxing of posse comatatus. If that hasn't taken place well Houston, we have a problem. My oath I swore to says I will defend and protect the constitution of the UNited States against all enemies foreign and domestic. So it's the constitution that matters. If it hasn;t been changed, an order by some dictator does not change that. I'm just a big 10 ton truck that won't get in gear. If the president orders me to do it, I will as long as it is a lawful order. All military are automatically excused from obeying unlawful orders. Ones like, if you see a crowd forming, open fire. Well why? What's the threat? What's the objective. What is the mission statement. It all has to add up or it won't happen.
But if some union organized militia acting on behalf of the goverment tries to pull some illegal stunt, then it is a state, local, national or international crime which requires remedy. ID I use any and all force necessary to protect myself, mine and others property and so forth.
So get to know your constitution and your bible, you'll need to know those things to know right from wrong in the coming days...
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2014, 12:50:44 PM »
Then from Shawn:

First, thank you for taking the time to address this.

Second, this poses a serious problem for alot of people and I'm going to feed upon what Don has stated a little as well.

There are alot of us here in civi land that are looked upon on a daily basis to be the foundation (probably not the correct wording) for them and their life. Most of us did not ask for this nor do we enjoy the knowledge of their lives that comes along with this position. I have guys in my office on a weekly basis looking for guidance. I am fortunate that I am grounded in my faith and rely on that many times daily to try and give advice to these guys. For the record most of them are good guys but in my opinion this world is a very evil place thus the reason they end up in my office.

Now with this stated, I have a core group of guys I rely on (wingmen for our aviators in the group if you will). When the cards come crumbling down those wingmen will not be the ones at my door (at least initially as they have their own flocks to attend to as well). What I will have standing before me is a group who is unqualified in a sense to do anything you have mentioned. They do know enough not to show up empty handed. However with that said they will not be IMO well equiped and alot of them are not in this position because of their choosing but more of a monetary position.

So any good advice other than what I am accustomed to which is pulling something out of nothing? Staying positive and being a leader
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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2014, 12:51:43 PM »
The United States finds itself in a circumstance once thought unthinkable. An ill-educated and near morally bankrupt society increasingly made up of those dependent on government combined with a governing class whose primary interest is themselves. The nation cannot, therefore, make any meaningful course correction unless and until the people finally understand they have been lied to and conned by the current establishment. That will, in all likelihood, not occur until America faces imminent collapse and the citizenry turns on those who brought the nation to its knees.

Prepare yourselves, it is not that far off in coming...
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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2014, 12:53:11 PM »
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Congress has a bill on the floor to regulate ammo too, time to stock up!

I know that you corrected your post, no comment about that.

I do however, wish to comment about the attitude purveyed here.

Let's Look at what happened, what was said, and how we chose to react. (lesson to all, so pay attention). Something was said, that congress or the president, or your school teacher decided to limit something, so your reaction was to warn people to stock up on whatever it was (ammo this time) that we were about to lose.

I want to suggest that, this is the attitude of a conquered person, who has mentally thrown in the towel. Again nothing personal here at all, and sorry for using you as a training aid, but this is a lesson and a fault in linear thinking. This example is so clear and therefore serves as such a great example of how our thinking has changed.

This statement shows resignation, here is someone who has been conditioned to think that all the opposition needs to do is to merely suggest the siezing of your rights and your attitude is "heck with it, now they took that away also."

STOP BEING SUBMISSIVE AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!

FIGHT BACK!!!!

STAND UP FOR WHAT YOUR RIGHTS ARE and never, never surrender. If you do then you are nothing more than a coward.

If David, when facing goliath said, "heck he said he is going to kill us all, let's all go home and make our funeral preparations", then do you think would he have worthly to be the bloodline for the son of God???

Nope, he looked that giant in the eye, and standing on the utter righteousness of the only God in heaven and said, not so fast, I haven't spoken yet! We know the rest of the story.

Do not give in to the idea that just because someone says something like "You have no rights to guns, or various freedoms" that those rights are as good as gone. No, rather than throw in the towel, stand and say, "not so fast, I haven't spoken yet!"

America, my friends, is still ours to lose!

Think about it
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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2014, 02:26:33 PM »
From Bobby:

Ok so I've been reading on here and other places about SHTF and TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it , no I do NOT think the world is going to end on dec 12 or 21st or whatever it is) stuff and the debate between calibers (5.56 vs 7.62 vs 5.45). I jut believe in being prepared for whatever comes, i.e. natural disaster,zombies or what not. I saw this post and I think the guy pretty much spoke truth. These are his words.

"To my military mind, although we get excited by make, model, physics, nationalism ("Amer'Can made" verses "Comblock"), what it comes down to is what you can do the work of life with. I choose my weapon system based on the same line of thought I choose my survivor friends: Who do I trust? Who is reliable? Who is available? Who brings what skills? Who is tough?

It seems the best defense in SHTF or welfare-ocolypse scenarios (when the government is unable to pay out checks and the "have-nots" attack the "haves") is to lay low. If it ever comes down, I do not intend to make a fortress that looks like it can repel any invader. I intend to all but dissapear. Thugs will always outnumber survivors, can always overtake defensive barriers. What they can't always do is see the unseen. If I get into squad or platoon level firefight, I have misplanned. I can use natural surroundings as a defense before I ever have to fire around. In a close quarters attack (0-250 meters) the AK and AR have different strengths. I know my AK can plug through an 8 inch aspen, but I know an AR has a smother firing rate due to the buffer-spring. But in many ways, they are on equal footing in a close fight: They will both poke holes in a man.

When it comes to distance, I intend not to fire. I intend to bug out, always moving. If I am contained by circumstance, such as seeing robbery or rape from a distance which I feel to stop, my Mosin-Nagant gives me a solution to around 800m. Same with my 7mm Mag.

In short, both are fine calibers and fine weapon systems. Take the one you know, trust, is accessible, and live. Also, as with anything, diversify (large caliber/combat caliber/small and pistol)."
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« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2014, 02:36:29 PM »
Another CIEMR

You know, I was thinking that this fiscal Clift just may be a good thing. I mean I know it will usher in a major recession and more likely depression, but given the social climate where everyone has their hand out, when big brother stops paying, you won't have a culture of hard working God fearing people who dig in their soles and work their way out of the mess.
No what you'll have is mass pandemonium where greedy ignorant hateful crowds of the entitlement movement start rioting everywhere. I think that will be the catylist of a new revolution and descent into a temporary state of anarchy.

But what exactly happens to us while all this mayhem is going on. Well let's review class. We pray and attend our churches and you have to know that God protects his people. First to the Jew, then to the Gentiles, of which most of us already are. So by faith and our belief we will be protected to some degree. Next we are the producers, we work, we have skills, so we go on doing for, well, ourselves I guess. Don't know about you but when the mobs are burning the projects in Cincy, I'm not going to be donating blankets. I will be hunkered down protecting mine.

We are really the smarter. Not as in with degrees, most of us had to work and didn't go to or couldn't afford college. So even though I don't have a Phd in basket weaving, I know how to start a fire, fire a weapon, grow potatoes, purify water, treat injuries, fix things and a host of other useful skills. So all of that would seem to benefit us as well.

When those mobs come knocking at our doors, well, they get to learn about terminal effects of high and some low velocity projectiles. I believe, hands down, we win that contest. I never went to battle with a bunch of heroin addicts, mobsters, or protesters, but I fought in many places with a bunch of ex-rednecks, hillbillies, and country boys. And you know what?? Those were by far the most lethal people I have ever known. If someone hasn't said it I will as a statement of fact: Don't mess with country boys!

We, the "Normal Americans" mostly live in the country and the burbs. Just look at the map of the red counties vs the blue ones. I think we own 95% or more of the physical landmass of the US of tax sucking' A! So we have most of the land. And our land is the land that creates stuff that keeps you alive. The blue areas just create stuff that is fun to play with. Theirs: fun, ours: full belly!

And because we have common sense and anyone who decides it is a good thing to take more from the people who create jobs and give it to welfare people who won't survive round one and never contribute anything useful to society, we win that way too. We are able to look at a thing and say that is right or that is wrong. We really don't need some courtroom talking head to give us an opinion. Don't believe me, go to small town America, sit down with any elderly farmer looking guy and ask him about any of the foolishness we see from the kingdom of Washington, he'll tell you, and he will be right.

So since we are rather well positioned, why not let it fall apart
So let the idiots have their socialist doomsday. Let's pull out our bibles and guns, stock up a shelf or two. start doing some sit-ups, I have to say you folks are really disgustingly fat. You need to be in shape to survive. But do that and let's just tribe up and cover down on each other. the idiots are getting their way and everything they ever wanted. Let them have it and prepare, because in the end, I think it will be ours to have for the taking!
he idiots sail this boat off the Clift. We will have enough sense to get off and wait, and wait we should. Wait, conserve what we have, protect each other and let the wolves eat themselves. In the end we will still be here and in much greater numbers. During that time when some says Allah Akbar I doubt he gets past the second syllable before some .308 round finds its mark. I am not promoting or suggesting this, since that is evil and wrong. I am however fairly smart and able to reason through things and that sense has kept me hopping through many a stick circumstance. So I am merely speculating out loud and stating what I think we the real people would do and react.
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2014, 02:37:58 PM »
Read this recently, very comforting (Not!):

Before the presidential election, I got the idea to commission a scientific poll to find out what Muslim-Americans really think – and how it might affect their votes.
The results were eye-opening and alarming. They should be to every American who believes in the U.S. Constitution and Judeo-Christian morality.
Here’s the overview from 30,000 feet:
• Nearly half of those polled, a scientific sampling of 600, said parodies of Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted with offenders given punishments as severe as the death penalty;
• 40 percent of Muslims believe they should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution, but by Shariah standards and Islamic judges;
• Only 30 percent believe Christians have a right to evangelize Muslims;
• 20 percent say Muslim men should be allowed to have more than one wife;
• 58 percent said any criticism of their religion should not be allowed under the Constitution – even while nine of 10 said they support the First Amendment;
• One in three said Israel has no right to exist or were uncertain about it;
• 72 percent said they would definitely be voting for Barack Obama, while another 8.5 percent were leaning in that direction;
• Only 11 percent were supporting Mitt Romney at the time – just days before the November vote;
• About 55 percent said the U.S. is generally on the right track.
Now, maybe you question the authenticity or reliability of this survey. Maybe you think it was biased. Maybe you think the sampling of Muslims, 98 percent of whom have U.S. citizenship, wasn’t large enough.
Well, shortly after WND commissioned this survey by respected pollster Fritz Wenzel, another similar survey was commissioned by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which bills itself as a Muslim civil-rights organization but which in fact is a Muslim Brotherhood front group.
The results were strikingly similar – at least on the questions asked in both surveys. This CAIR survey, conducted on a smaller sampling of 500, received extensive coverage by the media.
The CAIR survey found:
• 68 percent of Muslim-Americans planned to vote for vote for Obama with 7 percent going for Romney;
• 66 percent said they identify with the Democratic Party, while only 9 percent affiliated as Republicans.
In other words, the CAIR survey validates the Wenzel poll – even though it didn’t seek answers on some of the more troubling issues of the law and constitutional liberties.
So what are the takeaways from this first survey of Muslim-Americans about Islamism and Shariah?
The Pew Research Center estimates America is home to 2.6 million Muslims. Groups like CAIR put the numbers much higher – by a factor of two or three times.
Whatever the real numbers are, Americans have reason to be concerned about continued immigration of Muslims into the U.S. when so many already here, including those who have established citizenship, have values and beliefs that stand in stark contrast to the Constitution sand the values and beliefs that shaped it.
Already, massive immigration of Muslims has changed the very character of much of Europe, where special Shariah courts have been established, creating societies with entirely different legal standards.
Do we really want that for America?
In fact, we need to ask ourselves how many people who took oaths to uphold the Constitution to obtain their citizenship really meant it. Is that standard sufficient for Muslims, who are encouraged by their faith to deceive if it furthers the cause of Islam?
“Multiculturalism” is much in vogue in the U.S. But if blind allegiance to a nice-sounding phrase of inclusiveness spells the eventual doom of our national heritage, is it really the right path to follow?
Quite simply, we need to collectively and individually ask ourselves a simple question: Is continued immigration into the U.S. by Muslims in the best interest of preserving our liberties?
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2014, 02:38:26 PM »
Couple of good quotes:


When half of the people get the
idea that they do not have to
work, because the other half is
going to take care of them, and
when the other half gets the idea
that it does no good to work
because somebody else is going to
get what they work for, that is the
beginning of the end of any nation!

Just because you do not take an
interest in politics doesn't mean
politics won't take an interest
in you! -- Pericles (430 B.C.)

If you don't read the newspaper
you are uninformed, if you do
read the newspaper you are
misinformed. -- Mark Twain
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2014, 02:38:58 PM »
Another:


In my many years I have come to a
conclusion that one useless man
is a shame, two is a law firm,
and three or more is a congress.
-Mark Twain
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2014, 02:39:45 PM »
A liberal is someone who feels a
great debt to his fellow man,
which debt he proposes to pay off
with your money. -- G. Gordon
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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2014, 02:40:44 PM »
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don, i almost thought for a minute that you forgot about your CIEMR thread, you have not posted for us here of late?! how is the bug that was going around your house? every body get ride of it? how shtat new piece of land you were looking at coming along?

Bug gone, but well used here!
Land purchase is stumbling along. It is a typical kentucky back woods deal. No deeded access, although the law gurantees it. No great boundary markers, just a pile of rocks to an old oak tree to a bend in the creek, stuff like that. In fact the seller told me it was 95 acres, he thought. Now my lawyer who is processing the sale says it is likely larger than 110 acres. It turns out I will also own part of a creek bottom which another farm is using as a tobacco field. Heck, I thought that piece was his land.
My Lawyer tells me we can get it done, but he won't bring me to the closing table until it's right.

OK, Nate got me fired up this morning! You know in a different world in a different time I would have loved to have him as my platoon sergeant. We could have had some good coffees and discussions together! My typical relationship with NCO's is to constantly argue with them and on occasion mud wrestle with the big ones, or arm wrestle, but always hassle them. Seems I was born to that task. But behind closed doors, we were buddies and I supported the good ones all the way.

THere is a lesson here I want to pass on those of you that have the brains to get this. I am paying cash for the place. I am paying cash to fix up the road, and paying cash for a tempo trailer to put on the property and to fix up the house. I did that because throughout my life I used a diciplined investing and saving principle. Additionally, since Finding God and Jesus, I have tithed. Remember the part in the bible where GOd himself actually invites us to call us out? He says you give 10% of your earnings as a tithe, (Not that he needs it) and he will bless us. I can say, that his blessings and not as much my savings is getting all this done. It is not luck, not some great stock deal I made, because I have made far more poor ones that good trades. No sir, Jesus has had my back and provided and blessed us beyond my dreams.
Now he may take it all back tomorrow, that's his call, and I'm good with that, heck I/you/we are only here on this earth for a short time, sort of a temp job if you will, so in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

So I say to you as I have in the past. first: Find Jesus and get to know him and his Father who has made all things. I mean seriously, get to know him. Next get his TM, err, the bible which is our instruction book for life and read it. Figure out what he is telling you and do it. Spend every day in prayer to him about seven hundred times a day, for he asks us to pray about and ask all things. Do all that and that will automatically equate to a balanced life of humble servitude to your neighbor. I sometimes have a hard time with that. I have knocked some of them about the head and shoulders as of recent times, and I am not fond of Muslims and other God haters, but I consider myself a work in progress.

You do those things, (Not the muslim dislike stuff) and you too will find your yoke and your burden light. Fight God, deny him and he will give you over th the devil who has more ways to keep you busy and snowed under than wal mart has hillbillies during a mud tire and shotgun shell sale!
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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2014, 02:41:41 PM »
Good writeup on our possible islamic future follows. I will make a prediction here. THe United States will be the scene for a very bloody civil war in which true Americans are in a life or death struggle and fight with the forces of Islam and the super liberal left who is allowing for the spread of that mentally ill culture. The reason Islam is spreading is because most of you (Americans) have no spine to do anything about it. So because of this cowardice you will force your children to do what you should have done.

Here ya go:


Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish




"In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.




Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.




The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.




The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
In the Western World (Canada, United States and Britain ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American, Canadian, Universities and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.



By passing this on, enlightened Canadian, American and British women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law."

"Ripping the West in Two."

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.




She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law. Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza ..




When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.
But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping shariah law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.




For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.




Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.




While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Shariah teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Shariah encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.




While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Shariah advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.




It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.




While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.




(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in Canada, the U.S. And Britain To elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. Is one... And there are others....) ( Britain has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims)




I think everyone in Canada. the U.S. And Great Britain Should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While Canada, the U.S.A.and Britain are getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on North America and Britain ....




This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your email list or at least those you think will listen..
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2014, 02:43:14 PM »
From Ashley:

Had a few things come to me this morning on my quiet drive to work in the dark. Most of the power is out down here due to the wind, so it was quite surreal to drive in pitch black, where there is normally light.

Someone spoke to me, and said this could be the normal. This could be our future. So I thought about that. Imagine all the roads you travel day to day. If you travel in the dark, like I do everyday, think of all the lights, gas stations, houses, security lights ect. that are running. Everything is lit up. You can see where you are going.

Now, cut the power to everything. It gets pitch black. Eerily black. What if that becomes our normal? If this war is coming, I feel that we will be experiencing a lot more "roads in the dark". Willing or not. That feeling of being by yourself, may become the normal feeling. We may be sitting around remembering the days that we had electricity, and lights that revealed where we were going...

About halfway through my jaunt, during the middle of a prayer, I began to be questioned. Here were the questions...

"You want to know why I let these trajedies happen?"

"Everyone wants to know why these shootings occur."

"How could God let this happen?"

Then these questions were followed by answers...

"I created you. Each and everyone of you, in my image. You are my children. Now, you have rebuked me. You have taken me out of the courts. I created those courts for you, and now you think you can handle it by yourself, so I was removed. I created the schools that you learned in, and that your children will be taught in. You removed me from the schools, so I guess you think you have that under control as well. Sporting events can no longer involve me. So much for all the physical abilities you recieved because of me. Guess that was all you, and didnt need my hand at all. Now look at your country. This great country I spent thousands of years preparing for you. It was founded by godly men. By men with principal, character. Now you feel you dont need that anymore. Who cares about principal, or doing whats right. It's all about who can give you the most, without requiring any effort on your part. So you want to run the country your way, and not mine anymore."

"Everyone wants to know why and how. Look at who is running things now. I tried, but I created you to have free will. Free choice. I have always been there to help, and Im still here. But, you think you are better. You know better, and I'm no longer needed. So, I step aside, because that is what you want isnt it? If not, then I would still be involved in everything that I have created for you. So, this country will continue to be run by your own. When you have had enough, if you ever do, I will still be here. I can still take care of things, but only if Im desired to do so."

"You ask how and why everytime there is a tragic event. I ask myself everyday, how and why, the people I created, could turn against all I have prepared for you."

Thought maybe a few more people out there needed to hear what I heard this morning. Needless to say, I had a very humbling drive to work this morning....
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2014, 02:44:21 PM »
From Bobby:

Chief,
Had my own moment of vertigo/inadvertent IMC driving to work in the Blizzard this morning.. Had absolutely NO sense of forward movement, the speedometer read 50, but nope I felt nothing... good thing I knew to check out the side windows and get my head right. Weird first time it has EVER happened to me.
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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2014, 02:44:51 PM »
Civil aviation, especially helicopter operators define that as "Flat Light."
It's where everything blends together, sort of like "cross-Over" with FLIR systems.
Vertigo is actually the spinning sensation you get when motion is introduced into all three of the semi circular canals at once. Your body is then giving you conflicting signals to what your eyes and seat of the pants are telling you. People often get sick immediately when that happens.
When I'd be flying around with one of you knuckleheads in the cockpit I had lots of little tricks I'd play. One that worked well was to point over th the left for example. When my victium looked left I'd roll hard right, take it a ball width out of trim then pitch back. The crew chiefs hated me doing that, but they knew if they complained too loudly, I push over and play cieling tag with them for awhile
Anywho, you'll be OK! Take two asprins, get plenty of rest, and write me in the morning!
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2014, 02:45:32 PM »
Good commentary on the psychology behind these mass shootings:

Who Murdered the Value of Life?

By David Outten, Production Editor

The mass killings of 2012 are appalling.

In both Colorado and Connecticut, the killers were considered very smart. Neither was apparently motivated by politics, religion or race. Both played video games.


Many games have the player go from room to room killing and killing and killing. Many boys and young men enjoy the thrill of mowing down person after person. In Norway, Anders Breivik trained with the video game CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE before murdering 77 people.

The value of pixels on a monitor is nothing. You can kill “people” all day long with games, but there’s an impact on the mind and the spirit. Some few people will fantasize about doing the real thing. An even smaller number will do it.

CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE’S latest three games have sold over 40 million copies, and that’s just one series of violent games. It only takes one game player to go out and kill 27 people.

The lives of the 27 people in Connecticut were of tremendous value to their families but not to Adam Lanza, their evil killer.

The value of life has not only been diminishing in video games. Violence in movies and television has been growing. Even in the general culture, the value of life is diminishing. There have been more than 53 million abortions (!!!) since the Supreme Court declared life in the womb unworthy of protection.

The American healthcare system is headed toward denying care to those whose remaining life is not considered valuable by the government.

The root cause of the problem is a move away from belief in God. In the Declaration of Independence our founding fathers declared, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness – that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men.”

The belief that the government has a responsibility to secure the right to life is fading. Increasingly, the government is securing the right to sin. It protects abortion. It protects pornography (which demeans the value of human dignity). It even protects ultra violent video games.

The reason the government is doing this was explained at its inception by John Adams when he said, “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other”

Addressing His disciples, Jesus said, “You are the salt of the earth. But what good is salt if it has lost its flavor? Can you make it salty again? It will be thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless.”

The church is being trampled. Many Christians have lost the ability to be salt and light in culture. If every Christian was doing what he or she was called to do, companies could not sell 40 million copies of violent video games. Movies and television programs would be much more wholesome. Pornography would not sell. Millions of girls and women would not be seeking abortions. Adam Lanza’s parents might not have gotten divorced. Adam and his parents might not have skipped going regularly to church. And, Adam may not have murdered 27 people in cold blood.

God created life valuable. Ignore God, ignore His wisdom, and the value of life drops. The Romans used to line roads with people on crosses. They fed them to lions and watched them kill each other as sport. It was Christianity that stopped this behavior by teaching the value of life.

God sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to die on a cross for the forgiveness of the very least of mankind, including the worst sinners. We should value life because God does.

If we value life, we should stand for the value of life in our church, our politics, our entertainment, our business, and our family. We should be the light of the world and the salt of the earth. We should impact the world by changing lives.

There were people who knew Adam Lanza and his mother were having problems. If they’d been reached a month ago, there might be 27 more people alive today. Right now, there are people in need of help. The next Adam Lanza is playing video games today. He could be in Georgia, in California, in Wisconsin. He could be in your neighborhood.

We can do nothing for Adam now. We can do something for the millions of children being raised in a culture that’s diminishing the value of life.


BTW, my boys also have that game. The difference is I limit their playing of it. For example currently, they may not play it until after Christmas and have not for a week so far. Additionally, they read their bible for 15 minutes EVERY NIGHT. I never thought about it, but both of them are reading two grades higher than the one they are in.

I know I can't create rangers who can actually read, so I will have to do something when the time comes to dumb them down to Infantry standards so that they can better fit in
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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2014, 02:47:22 PM »
What do you make of this:


The latest from “DHS Insider” (Part I)


By Douglas J. Hagmann
Introduction
23 December 2012: After a lengthy, self-imposed informational black-out, my high-level DHS contact known as “Rosebud” emerged with new, non-public information about plans being discussed and prepared for implementation by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in the near future. It is important to note that this black-out was directly related to the aggressive federal initiative of identifying and prosecuting “leakers,” at least those leaks and leakers not sanctioned by the executive office – the latter of which there are many.

Due to those circumstances, my source exercised an abundance of caution to avoid compromising a valuable line of communication until he had information he felt was significant enough to risk external contact. The following information is the result of an in-person contact between this author and “Rosebud” within the last 48 hours. With his permission, the interview was digitally recorded and the relevant portions of the contact are provided in a conversational format for easier reading. The original recording was copied onto multiple discs and are maintained in secure locations for historical and insurance purposes.
Meeting
The following began after an exchange of pleasantries and other unrelated discussion:
DH: Do I have your permission to record this conversation?
RB: You do.
DH: I’ve received a lot of e-mail from people wondering where you went and why you’ve been so quiet.
RB: As I told you earlier, things are very dicey. Weird things began to happen before the election and have continued since. Odd things, a clampdown of sorts. I started looking and I found [REDACTED AT THE REQUEST OF THIS SOURCE], and that shook me up. I’m not the only one, though, that found a [REDACTED], so this means there’s surveillance of people within DHS by DHS. So, that explains this cloak and dagger stuff for this meeting.
DH: I understand. What about the others?
RB: They are handling it the same way.
DH: I’ve received many e-mails asking if you are the same person giving information to Ulsterman. Are you?
RB: No, but I think I know at least one of his insiders.
DH: Care to elaborate?
RB: Sorry, no.
DH: Do you trust him or her. I mean, the Ulsterman source?
RB: Yes.
DH: Okay, so last August, you said things were “going hot.” I printed what you said, and things did not seem to happen as you said.
RB: You’d better recheck your notes and compare [them] with some of the events leading up to the election. I think you’ll find that a full blown campaign of deception took place to make certain Obama got back into office. The polls, the media, and a few incidents that happened in the two months before the election. I guess if people are looking for some big event they can point to and say “aha” for verification, well then I overestimated people’s ability to tell when they are being lied to.
DH: What specific incidents are you referring to?
RB: Look at the threats to Obama. Start there. The accusations of racism. Then look at the polls, and especially the judicial decisions about voter ID laws. Bought and paid for, or where there was any potential for problems, the judges got the message, loud and clear. Then look at the voter fraud. And not a peep from the Republicans. Nothing. His second term was a done deal in September. This was planned. Frankly, the Obama team knew they had it sewn up long before election day. Benghazi could have derailed them, but the fix was in there, so I never saw anything on my end to suggest a ready-made solution had to be implemented.
DH: What’s going on now?
RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’ necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.
DH: Wait, you’re DHS – not some Wall Street insider.
RB: So you think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming collapse of the U.S. dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for years – decades, and this is one of the most important cataclysmic events that DHS is preparing for. I almost think that DHS was created for that purpose alone, to fight Americans, not protect them, right here in America. But that’s not the only reason. There’s the gun issue too.
DH: So, what are you seeing at DHS?
RB: We don’t have a lot of time, tonight – our meeting – as well as a country. I mean I have heard – with my own ears – plans being made that originate from the White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS. You gotta know how DHS works at the highest of levels. It’s Jarrett and Napolitano, with Jarrett organizing all of the plans and approaches. She’s the one in charge, at least from my point of view, from what I am seeing. Obama knows that’s going on and has say, but it seems that Jarrett has the final say, not the other way around. It’s [screwed] up. This really went into high gear since the election.
But it’s a train wreck at mid management, but is more effective at the lower levels. A lot of police departments are being gifted with federal funds with strings attached. That money is flowing out to municipal police departments faster than it can be counted. They are using this money to buy tanks, well, not real tanks, but you know what I mean. DHS is turning the police into soldiers.
By the way, there has been a lot of communication recently between Napolitano and Pistole [TSA head]. They are planning to use TSA agents in tandem with local police for certain operations that are being planned right now. This is so [deleted] important that you cannot even begin to imagine. If you get nothing else out of this, please, please make sure you tell people to watch the TSA and their increasing involvement against the American public. They are the stooges who will be the ones to carry out certain plans when the dollar collapses and the gun confiscation begins.
DH: Whoa, wait a minute. You just said a mouthful. What’s the agenda here?
RB: Your intelligence insider – he knows that we are facing a planned economic collapse. You wrote about this in your articles about Benghazi, or at least that’s what I got out of the later articles. So why the surprise?
DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.
RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990′s. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.
And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these armories everyday without even giving them a second look. Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.
Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should no be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.
They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.
DH: New federal gun laws?
RB: Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a kook or worse.
DH: Sure
RB: But Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.
DH: Another shooting?
RB: Yes.
DH: That would mean they are at least complicit.
RB: Well, that’s one way of looking at it.
DH: Are they? Were they?
RB: Do your own research. Nothing I say, short of bringing you photographs and documents will convince anyone, and even then, it’s like [DELETED] in the wind.
DH: So…
RB: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.
Before or at the same time, you know all the talk of lists, you know, the red and blue lists that everyone made fun of? Well they exist, although I don’t know about their colors. But there are lists of political dissidents maintained by DHS. Names are coordinated with the executive branch, but you know what? They did not start with Obama. They’ve been around in one form or another for years. The difference though is that today, they are much more organized. And I’ll tell you that the vocal opponents of the politics of the global elite, the bankers, and the opponents of anything standing in their way, well, they are on the top of the list of people to be handled.
DH: Handled?
RB: As the situations worsen, some might be given a chance to stop their vocal opposition. Some will, others won’t. I suppose they are on different lists. Others won’t have that chance. By that time, though, it will be chaos and people will be in full defensive mode. They will be hungry, real hunger like we’ve never experienced before. They will use our hunger as leverage. They will use medical care as leverage.
DH: Will this happen all at once?
RB: They hope to make it happen at the same time. Big cities first, with sections being set apart from the rest of the country. Then the rural areas. There are two different plans for geographical considerations. But it will all come together.
End of Part I
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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2014, 02:48:31 PM »
edit: Also, what brand of M4 would you suggest? Looking at Spikes Tactical, since their lower receiver are multi-caliber

That's a good M4, and so are the ones Shawn mentioned. POF, DPMS also are great guns but some of the run of the mill brands are as well. Bushmaster comes to mind, and I don't say that lightly. I carried a Bushmaster the whole time I was in Iraq, two short tours, both combat jobs. I backed the rifle up with a 9mm pistol, not my first choice mind you, but a decent caliber. I perfer .45 because a hit is usually a kill. Makes very big holes...just too much room for air and blood to escape.
Speaking of any survival plan, first, you want a plan. Basic at first like yours, then spend time filling in the gaps. As you think of things like, how are you getting there? What is the trigger point for you to cut and run? Do you have cache's of food, fuel, bedding, ammo, water?
Have a bug out bag?
How about your physical fitness. If you're fat and out of shape, you won't survive. Get serious about that.
Do you know about nutrition? Natural foods? How to purify water? Make a fire? Navigate by the stars and sun? anything like that? Have a decent weapon? Know how to use it?
What I am hinting at is an attitude. Are you serious and if so you will be training, as in all the time.
Survival is a mindset. You keep yourself in shape. Instead of buying useless chrome wheels or other bling, you think instead of the practical application of things. Change from living for yourself (not saying that you are) and think about what you need to survive. THat then, becomes the thing that interests you.
I have said it before and will say it again. Get to know your savoir, Jesus. I believe as he did many times, he will provide for and protect his own, leaving the rest to the tormenter. Get right with God.
Shawn makes a good point of Tribe. I agree with him, although pickin's can be slim. A guy with serious military experience could get you a long way down the road. Medical skills and suplies are important. Food and water development as well as power generation, and safe/dry/secure shelter is important as well.
Get started on all that. Know this: None of us are totally prepared. Some are just more prepared than others. When it happens and if you are using your brain and not listening to the brain washing media, you can see we are in serious moral decline and on the road to a police state and much nashing of teeth on the path there.
I'm starting to look at my possessions as I do when looking at things in a museum. It was nice to have them, but really, I don't need them and frankly a lot of the stuff I have makes me lazier, fatter, and gives a false sense of wellness. I'm starting to abandon all these modern trappings as mental luxuries, sort of the same mindset I had all those years at war. I just don't need it, want to carry it, or have the time for it.
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2014, 02:50:41 PM »
From Shawn:

First off I want to say to all our Servicemen on here & within earshot that I am truly sorry. I'm sorry that you have fought all these years for us and now that it is your time to rest you will likely be called into the fold once more. I'm ashamed at the apparent majority of Americans who act anything but. The only thing I can guarantee you is that my off spring will not act in this manner if I have anything to say about it.

Second, Don touched base on this whole idea of driving off into the mountains and setting up Eden (he was really snickering as he wrote it). I would quickly come to the realization on a couple of things. That being if you are a few hours from said mountains & / or they are across said state lines you will probably not make it there. One of the first things they will do is start cracking down on travel (do you have your papers might be a new catch phrase?). Next is the fact if you do make it there the locals can probably spot you a mile off just in the way you walk. I personally am from NE IN. and have spent alot of time in SE KY wheeling. Great people down there but there is no way for me to fit in within a short amount of time or for that matter the weeks on end I spent there each year for about five years straight.

Something else to think about is resources. Most people know where the local ones are because they have lived where they are currently most of their lives or at least a few years. Those that have not should start networking now hard core & how do you measure trust? My way is with time normally, get started. I also know the majority of the good guys or should I say old school that I can create a network with whether it be trade or for help. I also have wandered these stomping grounds enough to know how to get lost quickly (on purpose) not to mention the lay of the land burned into my head. I don't need any topo maps however don't overlook hard copies of these as they can be invaluable even for barter possibly.
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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2014, 02:51:30 PM »
Another CIEMR:

Well there are two ways of looking at hoarding of ammo and the recent cleaning of shelves nation wide of guns and ammo.
It might be foolish as some have suggested, or it just might serve a useful purpose!
First in defense of those hoarding the ammo, they were doing what they felt they needed to do to protect themselves and their families. Call them names if you like, I'd just call them late to the game.
But that's not why I am responding. I'd like to take you off the mark for a second to view the bigger picture. You see the left wants and has always wanted to get the guns, nuff said. Each and every shooting event is just another opportunity, we know that.
But when they circulate the idea of an assault gun ban or ammo ban or gun registration, they are doing a market survey. We are the "market." They are seeing how we react to their suggestion. They are wondering if it will be a easy sale or a hard sell.
So Feinstien leakes the upcoming gun control measures on day one. By day two or day three the store shelves nation wide are barren! I mean no ammo, no magazines, no M4's! So let me ask you, what message does this send them? Do you think they feel this is going to be a pushover just because OB is in for another 4 years? Do you? Think about it!
What did we the people just say? If we thought they were actually going to confiscate our guns, would we buy more? Or stay away and protect our money?
From my view, we sent a pretty clear message that, indeed, as Obama critized during the 2008 campaign, we Christians run to our bibles and our guns. I would concur! Seems we just did it again.
So, perhaps we embrace those who are "Hoarding" instead of critizing them and thereby showing division amongst us. I say damm good job! Buy it all up and bet ammo and weapons back ordered for months. Lets show that Americans are indeed hoarding weapons. So that perhaps when the concept of someone knocking on the door to seize them, they might realize that just might turn into a fight they don't want.
I have long perdicted (and I hope I am wrong) that America is ripe for a violent revolution. THe left has gone too far. Islam is growing too strong here. We the people are threatened, now even by what we say. All there needs to happen is a catalyst. I believe guns will be that catalyst. A move to grab guns will certainly result in violence and criminalize normal americans. That will be the jump off point for all the crazies and some militias and who knows who.
So in one respect, I like our reactions to proposed or leaked gun control. I think we are saying pretty plainly that if you want a fight, really want a fight, then this is how to do it. In the end the left does want a fight. Remember the Nazis were liberals, yet extreme left. So history tells me that is where the threat is coming from. But they are smart enough to realize they can not win it unless they can neuter us. Take our means to resist, that is. Well, we have just shown that is not a likely prospect.
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« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2014, 02:52:42 PM »
From Shawn:

Something worth mentioning, we were as a nation created through revolt of the largest military in the world at the time. Their musket was our AR15 per say, not alot different then as it is today if you think in these terms. Three percent were all that fought the largest military in the world. To me that is amazing & I believe (contrary to alot of peoples opinions) that they were very godly men.

Bloodshed and armed conflict, this may be something the majority has never experienced I myself included. However, with that stated I grew up in a relatively free country. I have three children of my own and countless nieces and nephews. If I am to be remembered for one thing it is that I would not bow to evil, ever.
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« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2014, 02:53:21 PM »
The time for action regarding voicing your political views is indeed now. I fear Washington is all about the "art of the deal." That is a concept I find contemptable!

The real talk will come when this goes farther and there is a chance it will. Many of us good Americans feel beaten down, that is natural in light of all the advances of the left. But remember this, The devil is very strong, very crafty, and in control here, but never, never forget who wins the final battle. In the name of all that is holy, the kingdom of Jesus will return.

I do believe we are afforded protections the lefties are not. For them there is only hollow victories, short lived and hatred. I see on these threads where some of them have already been called "Haters." That is a point in correctness whether said by mistake or after much thought.

Get smart people. You already have common sense and wisdom, something for which I wouldn't trade all the knowledge known to man for, but we, God's people are intended to use our heads, to think!

Did you know that?

Let me give you an example. Pastors who are reading this please double check me, I wouldn't want to put out bad or wrong information.

One gigantic mistake people in general make is that Christians are weak. Wrong! David wasn't weak. Gideons soldiers weren't weak. THe exodus from egypt could not have occurred with weak people. No we are strong, however we reserve our strength, for there is no glory in boasting. That is for the haters. We know who we are, who has our back, and what we are capable of, but we remain quiet, because that is the nature of a mind subject to self control. Making sense so far? Lose anyone yet?

Take a small break, get a cup of Columbia's finest and reengage.

Everyone should recall the example of the Christian turning the other cheek to be hit yet again. Cowardly, sheep-like, weak don't you think? Well if you look no farther than the liberals (God haters) do, then that is what you get because, well, because they are not all that bright to begin with.

Back in the day when Jesus told his people to do that, the social system we enjoy here in the 'Merica did not exist. There was the ruling class with the wealthy, and then there were the peasants and slaves. The soldiers were workers for the ruling class, obviously, but esentially there you have it.
It was accepted that if one the peasants, say a server in a place of eating did a poor job, the socially acceptable method of correcting that lowly servant was to slap them across the face.

So what did Jesus say to do in response to that?? He said turn the other cheek didn't he?

You see although it was acceptable to slap your local peasant for dropping your grapes onto the floor, it was thought of as abusive of one's authority to hit the servant a second time! yea...getting this??

So we are to turn the other cheek...hmmm, think about it. You see Jesus asks us to use the situation to show self control and inner strength and use your enemy's strength against him in a clever manner. Turn the other cheek and stand there. You bring to light the wrongness of the corrective measure, and you challenge the concept while standing there defiantly on righteousness.

Think, use your brains. That is what Jesus is saying. And I happily use that technique on the liberals I meet as often as they give me opportunity. Heck it's almost like a sport of sorts for me. They always think they are smarter than we "country folk." The fact is they are not. They are insecure, not given an abundance of common sense, and they are listening to the devil. There is a devil, you know! And if there is a devil then there is also a God!

Side note here, be careful in choosing your sides. I have a strong argument for choosing God, but ultimately it is you who must choose, and choose you must. By the way, not making a choice is a decision as well, one you will not be comfortable with when the lights go out...

So back to the concept Jesus was teaching us. Be smart, use the very tools of the enemy to effectively beat him. Do not ever give in to defeat, it is just not in the cards. Where logic ends and the possibilities are all exhausted, well that's where faith begins. I don't get it, it shouldn't happen but if you believe you can pray for a mountain to leap into the sea. Not in the real sense, but figuratively you can raise up as a nation of God fearing people and pray the ranks of the haters into defeat. Again look at the example of Gideon. He created the first Rangers (In my humble view) and they didn't even have to so much as lift a finger to defeat their enemies!

I tell you,

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« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2014, 02:55:20 PM »
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I agree...

Another question, for you or anyone who feels compelled to give their opinion...

I'm not saying it will or won't. I'm just giving a for instance example....

Everything goes down. Economy shuts down. Government dispatches the little hitlers. When and how does it get turned around? After all the big cities are finished killing each other off, and the rural people kill off each other, and no one else left but those who were smart enough to protect what is theirs; who pieces everything back together? I'm assuming I cant pick up the phone and give ol Don a call and say what's up? How do we all come together, as a group, organized militia, call it what you will ? Do we just survive in our bunkers until we perish? When do we go out, if ever, to find out if the America we once knew is begining to put itself back on track?

Like Don has already stated, God always has, does, and will protect his people. If it's my time to go, and he needs me up there, then Im ready. No fear, no doubt in my mind. He has and always will put me where I'm needed the most.

I want to put this country back on the right track, but I can't do it by sitting in a bunker waiting for my death. Don't take that statement the wrong way. I have a place to keep safe, as should everyone. But I refuse to sit back and hide the rest of my life. If I survive, I want to make this country right again...

You'll know. First of all, the people of the cities and urban areas will fall into pandomonia just like they always do and that will run it's course. The people of the country will likely not act in that manner. It is our custom to help one another and I see us doing more of that than killing one another. I mean how many riots have you seen across AMerica's farmlands?
I think we will organize and become tightly knit self dependent communities. Information will spread and some of us will have HAMM radios or other means of communicating. It won't be as cut and dry awful as you think.
When the mobs come to us they will be met with force, and they will likely not survive. All of that is pretty ugly.
My bigger concern is for eventual outsider intervention. China comes to mind. If the American dollar could be successfully wiped out like the goverment and Federal reserve appears to be attempting to do, it is questionable how the rest of the world fares. I mean we are pretty much the economic engine for the planet. We buy lots of stuff which energizes lots of countries.
But let's say they set up their own economies which don't include us. Iran is currently trying to open it's own oil market based on gold and not the US dollar, and outside of OPEC. THat is not good for us. THat is why we will want to invade and destroy them although we will generate some artificial reason, like they are getting the bomb, their human rights abuses or something like that.
But let's say China or western asia is able to pull it out, and restabilize. Well that giant glut of a machine still would need oil wouldn't it? And who has most of the oil? IF you said the US and Canada, post a gold star!
So a severly weakened third world nation with a battered goverment although still possessing nukes might need to be stabilized. I see the UN using Chinese troops as a viable stabilizing force. Believe it or not, that is our biggest fight, when our own goverment gives us fully over to the UN for help. Of course, we would never recover from that as a nation and simply be absorbed into that culture, albeit as second class citizens or slave workers.
What I find amazing is that a lot of you find this amazing. Speaks a lot about our education, awareness and the ability to think.
Well, I have said it before nad I believe it, that although the deck is clearly stacked against us and there are now more idiots than rational people it is coming. I still believe God will protect and deliver his people simply because someone needs to do his work. Although having said that Americans are becoming less and less his people. We rush headlong toward becoming a society of God haters, while believe it or not, Christianity in China is growing like crazy. Indeed we may be lost except for pockets of us here and there and evangalized by Chinese. Think about it, could happen.
America suffers from amensia and selfishness. Hard to reach poeple when they are comfortably cruising toward their destruction with narry a thought of something bad coming their way except maybe a missed episode of gold rush...
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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2014, 04:59:24 PM »
From Shawn:

Think local, local, local

I personally have more hope for us the midwest than the coasts. Riot here? Maybe Detroit, what little there is left of it. Yeah, like Don stated. Ain't gonna happen or if it does it will be on a small scale. We're just not going to put up with that nonsense very long.

We are heavy industry here (like I've said before largest congressional manufacturing district in the US) and the powers that be will need to keep manufacturing going if it is only for them to keep making stuff of war regardless of who the enemy is. Believe it or not most of the heavy manufacturing here locally is still privately held or a majority stake is anyhow. Not to mention all of the service industry that is all privately held that allows the manufacturing to do their jobs.

The management of these companies know how to manage, this does not mean they know how to make the machines run, I see this time and time again. From the huge multi billion dollar steel mills to the shops I personally manage. Ashley, I'm sure the same can be said for the energy industry as well. Bottom line, we the true patriots have a say that I do not believe that they have calculated into their equation. We (blue collar guys) will pull together and light will prevail. We make those elites worlds go around and you had better be sure they still want it to keep going.

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« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2014, 05:01:55 PM »
Why even have states?

If I was an off planet observer with little knowledge of history say, having just arrived from the planet leftist I wouldn’t understand the need for states in this country of western Europe called the United States. OK, I'll just be that space travler.

It seems all the logic, wisdom and guidance we would ever need comes from one central ruling city. The people living in that ruling city must all be much smarter and have the ability to rule over all of us in a fair and uniform manner, because according to my briefing prior to arriving from the space corridor, My manual on the United States told me that the people there elected their leaders. And in my world, it would be logical for the people to elect their very best and brightest. So I am perplexed over this concept of states, why is there the need for them?

From what I have monitored of the radio and television intercepts this central ruling city continually comes up with rules which they call laws and then apply them to everyone. If alligator hunting is banned in certain months in Louisiana, then that rule should equally apply to the people in Alaska, right? So if all these people are supposed to be alike why is there any confusion? If they all get together to elect one guy to run everything, then these disorganized people would be a lot better off and have less confusion if they just listened to him to run their lives, right? Err, I mean left? Political analysis by my learning computer suggests this man is taking over at the moment, so it would seem the people are finally getting it right, well left.

Still this concept of states is puzzling and very damaging to the peace and the order from what I can determine. For example there are these people called Texans who seem to be perpetually confused. It seems they disagree with just about everything the ruling city comes up! Now why would that be. My computer suggests they suffer from a mental disorder and are possibly of lower intellect than the others. Me, I just don’t know, but something is surely wrong with them. Oddly there are others afflicted by the same sickness. I believe they have already identified the mental condition which they refer to frequently as conservatism. There was something on my planet akin to that centuries ago but our brilliant scientists were able to eliminate it through a surgical procedure where they removed our brains and replaced them with receiver units which were connected to our central control over on the left side of our world. Oddly enough, our planet has no right side, you just keep going left and end up eventually back at the left!

Back to this problem I have with understanding the need for states. Everyone is the same right, err, excuse me left? If the people living in Detroit are the same as those living in Alabama, then why need two different states? Those from New York have the exact same wants needs desires and so forth as those from Mississippi, correct? (Didn’t say right just then) If the pilgrims who settled the area called New England are the same as some people called Apache Indians, then why are they wasting all the effort and expense of having other rulers run the smaller states. Why doesn’t everyone just listen to the one they picked to be their ruler? Very confusing these humans, these Americans.

My other friends report that things are much better off in their regions of study. One Karlmarx says that China is one big happy place where the ruler there makes decisions for all of his subjects. And Billayers, my friend, is overlooking another bigger area called Islam. He says everyone seems to be happy there and even though there are many countries in that region, this thing called Islam is really the power that runs it all. Oddly I don’t recall him ever mentioning any opinions given by the women there, probably just forgot to mention them. And my closest buddy Stallen who oversees Europe reports that the concept of country and state and individual is all but gone, so things are going very well in Europe it would seem.

Back to my troublesome United States. The more I research the more infected people I find. I saw one map of infected areas, This map show the healthy areas shaded in blue. Those tiny areas were all but covered by the horrid mass of orange, the color of the infected lower intellect people. I don’t know how, but the blue areas still control all the orange areas, so they will have a lot of disinfecting to do if they are ever to get America left, err, I mean, healthy.

Even though I am not supposed to interfere with these American humans I feel compelled to. Everyone knows an individual is not intelligent enough to make decisions for himself or herself, right, err, I mean left? That is best left up to the ruler. We once had a collective to make our decisions for us, but eventually, after they removed all our brains, we just leave it up to the ruler. Don’t these humans realize that one cannot make a sound decision all by themselves? If that person running New York city were just allowed to make the decisions for the cattle rancher in Montana these people could enjoy peace and equality. It all makes perfect sense if you really don’t think about it, and that is why I think I am going to help the lefties (as I like to call them) remove the brains of all the infected people, and if I can get away with it, I’m starting with that place called Texas. You know why??? Because they say “Don’t mess with Texas” and we just can’t have attitudes like that running around spoiling it for the bright lefties, now can we?

OK, enough with this journal entry, we’re making a big left turn for a landing to meet with their ruler. He is very insightful, but (and I’m only saying this because this is my journal) he doesn’t seem to be all that smart. I plan to talk to him about just having the brains removed from all the infected people so they will be just like the healthy people of the left. I think my plan will save him a lot of effort with all this talk which seems to go on forever. So come on people, let’s get left!
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