REAL MAN TRUCKWORKS & SURVIVAL
TOOLS, CONSTRUCTION, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY => Shops Garages and Barns => Topic started by: rcampbell on December 20, 2015, 10:52:47 AM
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So for almost as long as I can remember, well at least since I was about 13, my younger brother and I have dreamed about the day where we could have a garage with a concrete floor and our own tools to work on our various projects. That isn't to say I didn't appreciate the shop we had when we were kids. It was my grandfathers shop, was wooden floor, was a little cramped and drafty. But we sure loved it in there. In fact, that's where I learned so much of my "handiness" that I enjoy so much today.
Anyway, this Christmas, I'm really counting my blessings that we are able to do this. It's not what many would call a dream garage, but I think it will be wonderful. If I was rich, of course it would be bigger, and more extravagant. But I think this will do just fine.
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It's going to be 24'x28' deep, two 9x8 doors, 10' ceiling. They have already poured footings, frost wall will be poured next week, and luckily enough it's going to be above freezing all next week! Should work out great. My contractor is a friend of mine, and fellow volunteer firefighter, who jut lives up the road. I will be doing electrical and interior myself, with the help of my electrician father. Getting so excited!!
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nice. is it going to be just for automotive or will other type projects be going on as well?
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It will be for most all my projects, cars, trucks, woodworking, etc etc. Most of the non-winter months it will likely have only projects in it. In the snowiest part of winter we'll keep a car or two in there. To make best of use of my space I will be putting the bigger things like table saw etc on wheels, tool chest, welder etc will all be mobile as well so I can move thing around as needed.
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My current shop is about that size. Items on casters is a must have the other thing that helped me considerably especially in winter months were the lofts I built adding more sq ft of storage space.
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Congrats ! I do believe you'll appreciate it.
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Great. Probably the same size about 90% of us have. 10 ft and 8 ft doors ceiling will be a plus.
Rollers, yep. I have parts bins all over I roll around with those.
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You are gonna wonder how you lived without it when you get moved in.
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You are gonna wonder how you lived without it when you get moved in.
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Two things men like us never have enough of:
1. Time
2. Space
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Two things men like us never have enough of:
2. Space
I bet Norm has enough of that,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Two things men like us never have enough of:
2. Space
I bet Norm has enough of that,,,,,,,,,,,,
pretty sure he was just making noise about adding on to his shop/barn ;D
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I saw that adding a 20x30 so he can clean. Must be nice!!
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The guys got my forms all up and ready for concrete now. I would have taken another picture, but with such short days this time of year, I leave for work before the sun is up, and don't get home until the sun goes down, so I really only have the weekend to get any pics in the daylight!
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Well some more progress today, back filling is almost done, likely will be finished up in the morning. Supposed to be colder Sunday to Tues, but hopefully not too cold to pour the floor around mid week, or I might end up with a gravel floor until spring :(
Anyway, here's how it looks now!
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You will really appreciate that when it gets done. One of these days I will build one. Right now I work in the driveway, under my horse barn, or borrow space in a family member's shop for a couple days.
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Darned thing is full of dirt!
What a mess!
Where's the garage?
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Haha you think that's a mess, you should see the pile of dirt on the left just out of the shot, it's gotta be 10 feet high!!
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Haha you think that's a mess, you should see the pile of dirt on the left just out of the shot, it's gotta be 10 feet high!!
I hope to see lots of the latter when I get Sarge wallowing in some Kintucky dirt!
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And we have a floor!!
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Hoping the framing can start this week as well, but there may be some snow coming!
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Looks good. Crazy optical illusion makes it look like its slanted. I know you'll be excited to see it finished
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It does I'm assuming the floor is flat or slopes towards what looks like a center drain. But if that's the case then the top of the sill plate is sloped on each side. So when they frame the walls all of the 2x4's will be different lengths on the side walls? Please correct me because this seems really weird......
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Things gonna fill up with water angled in like that ;-)
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Had to look at the lines in the siding on the house. Assuming they are level, that'll kinda get your eyes uncrossed. Surely looks like a sump until you do that.
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Looks good!
Why slanted vs stepped stub walls? Just to match the house? or is there another reason I'm not aware of
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Haha, yes it is a little wacky looking in that picture, but it is flat in real life! The grade there is about 1' in 7'. Which worked out great for my split entry house.
I'm not sure why a flat slope in the walls, as opposed to stepping it down, but the carpenter told the concrete guy that it didn't matter to him either way, so I'm not really sure of the pros/cons.
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Con would be that framing the walls would be more difficult. I've never saw concrete sills built at an angle honestly. However if the framer didn't care then whatever I guess. In my mind I can't see why anyone would not have an opinion on that (preferring level sill plates) although from pic it appears they did the house the same way.
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Exactly what i was thinking too...
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One big disadvantage to building on an angle like that would be...gravity.
Obviously I know nothing about this sort of construction, however on a level sill plate the wall plates (2 X 6 or 2 X 4) only have to hold things in place against wind loads.
But on a tilt like that, should the bolts eventually fail due to rust or pull out of the concrete because it will always be loaded against the building naturally trying to slide off the wedge, then the whole thing will fail.
Again, I am no expert at all, and this must be some alternative form of construction, but even as the plates expand and contract due to differences in humidity and seasonal temperature, that building is always going to try to inch downhill. Must be some concept I do not understand...
I guess I'll assume that technique is just fine...
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Meh. Once they set the angle of the saw cutting the studs is easy friction will keep the wall stable should an anchor fail but that won't happen in our lifetime.
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Meh. Once they set the angle of the saw cutting the studs is easy friction will keep the wall stable should an anchor fail but that won't happen in our lifetime.
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Angle's easy... it's the length that would throw me for a loop. No two studs will be the same length except along the back wall. Guess that's why i'm not a professional framer!
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Dumb question but do you have building inspectors where you live? Question directed at OP
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Yup we have inspectors. And had to get a building permit to start as well.
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Copy, when does framing begin then?
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Hopefully, lumber delivered today and covered with tarp. Snowstorm supposed to come tomorrow, and then hopefully framing starts thurs or friday. Rafters, garage doors, windows, siding etc has already been bought, so that will hopefully make things go a little quicker.
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Angle's easy... it's the length that would throw me for a loop. No two studs will be the same length except along the back wall. Guess that's why i'm not a professional framer!
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If you know the angle, which as you stated would be easy the length wouldn't be any more difficult. Use the angle to figure our how much it rises/ drops over 16" or whatever your stud spacing is and add that to each frame. Easy way to figure it out is measure the difference from the front to back and total length of wall. The difference will be your rise over run. Multiply that by your span and that tells you how much to increase each stud.
And I would actually think it would be easier to frame the slope. You will have to cut each piece to length so a little extra time planning in the beginning but you can use a continues sill plate. In my opinion that would more than make up for the little bit of extra planning and save you materials also.
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Quick little update, all four walls are now framed. Rafters are ready and waiting to be delivered. I think they will start putting some plywood up tomorrow, rafters soon as well. Would have took some pics, but it was too dark by the time I got home, will have some in the next day or two though. Getting excited!
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Right on man. Thanks for the update! Fun watching sticks go up isn't it?
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Well the walls are framed, tomorrow the rafters are going up, all sheathing will be done and Tyvek will be put on. Should almost look like a real garage by then!
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What the what!? I thought you were in WA man, are you on the east side? I was just in Leavenworth last weekend and it looked a lot like your back yard.
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No sir, I'm a Canadian maritimer!
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Looks great!
It also looks very COLD! 70s here today. :P
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I build this about 8 years ago in my spare time after a fire in 06. Weekends and after work (neighbors weren't always happy), took about 6 month to get closed up on my own.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704660&highlight=garage
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Very nice JR, I wish I would have had the time to do my own as well, but it just wasn't going to happen had I tried to take that on myself. Looks like yours also has an upstairs? I really wanted to have a loft in mine as well, but the extra material in the rafters (ie. floor joists) plus the steeper pitch roof etc et put it over what I could afford. But I'm still more than happy to have what I'm getting anyway :)
Ken, wasn't too too cold here today, about -6 C, which is something like 20 F I believe? :)
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Thx, being a seaman I can understand. Takes more time than it looks and I am a novice at best.
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Well the walls are framed, tomorrow the rafters are going up, all sheathing will be done and Tyvek will be put on. Should almost look like a real garage by then!
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Well, that answers that question. I was wondering how they would frame those slanted side walls. Doing that knee wall to level them & then the upper is easy to frame on the floor & raise into position. Didn't see that one coming....... ;)
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Well it's looking great there my friend from the GWN.
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It was a little dark when I got home, but it's covered in now!
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Won't be long now, looking good.
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I know, I thinking I'll get insulation, plywood and lamp holders this weekend. I'm doing the interior and electrical myself, so not much left to wait for!
Which reminds me, I think I'm going to look at trying to the Roxul insulation instead of pink fiberglass batts. I little more money, but supposed to be a superior product. Would liked to have sprayed foam, but it's more than I can afford.
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Like it!
Coming right along!
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Ahhh this brings back memories... Looking good!
http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=1463.0
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Coming right along!
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Had a busy weekend. Had to respond to two fire calls, and only got 3 hours of sleep Friday night because of it, but I manage to get supplies, do all the insulation and install the vapor barrier. The latter I had to do by work light since the sun had gone down!
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nice
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Looking good...
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Looks like you busted some tail. Nice job.
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That's gettin r dun there!
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what's the plan for electric?
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All the electric stuff is going to be surface mount (hence no boxes on any of the studs). The interior sheathing will be 1/2 G1S plywood. I really like the ability to change or add to surface mounted plugs, lights etc. Since stuff like air compressor line will be surface mounted anyway, I figure I can do it in such a way that it will still look, perhaps a little industrial, but nice nonetheless.
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I love the look of plywood as the sheathing, that's what I'm planning for my shop too.
Looking great boss
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Looking good!!
What happen to the Roxul?
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Roxul was about 15% more money for about 40% less square feet per bag. Since it's a garage, I didn't feel it was worth paying almost double, since it won't be heated all the time anyway. Too bad though, I've heard good things about it.
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You had a busy weekend. Looks good. Plywood on ceiling as well?
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You had a busy weekend. Looks good. Plywood on ceiling as well?
I had thought of maybe just doing drywall on the ceiling to cut back on costs. I will just be putting up 18 lamp holders in 3 rows of 6, so there won't be any big fixtures or anything up there. Can't really think of any reason to use plywood. And at $47 a sheet, that's a good reason to use it sparingly :)
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Dang that is expensive for 1/2 ply!
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Dang that is expensive for 1/2 ply!
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I hope he meant $17?? Atleast that would be close to sanded one-side 1/2" ply for me.
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$20 a sheet where I'm at for 19/32
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Yup it's expensive stuff. I could get the 1/2" with knots on both sides for like $27, but I want it to look nice so I got the "fancy" stuff. Feel free to send me some samples of your cheap plywood and I'll give it a fair evaluation! 8)
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I will be stopping into the Menard's tonight for more supplies. I will take some pics of our selections.
We have the standard 3 or 4 ply stuff that would have knots both sides.
Then the sanded one side plywood. This stuff looks pretty good on one side with knots on the other. You wouldn't want to use it for cabinet making etc.. where you would be staining but if your painting it looks ok. That is under $20 for a 4x8 sheet.
Then the expensive stuff.. sanded veneered plywood. Generally used for cabinet making etc... can be oak/ maple etc... veneer that would look good stained. That stuff is generally around $40 - $50 a sheet.
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Even though ply is nice there is no fire protection there. Ply with rock over it is better and you cover the knots.
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cant really argue with safety like that ? ???
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There is fire retardant plywood. Not sure how it compares to drywall. Pricey compared to normal plywood and drywall too.
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When I has a garage fire, the rock saved my house. Cheap, easy and it looks good.
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I had originally decided against drywall just because it doesn't take many dings to wreck. On the other hand, I've been in lots of burning houses, and plywood doesn't take long to disappear in a fire.I had also thought of putting steel on the sides of the garage up 4 feet high. My back wall is already concrete up to 4 feet, so that should be pretty fire resistant back there.
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The roof is now shingled! Which is great since we're supposed to get a little snow on Friday. Doors and windows soon.
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The roof is now shingled! Which is great since we're supposed to get a little snow on Friday. Doors and windows soon.
Awesome!
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Good, I worked under a tarp for many a night before mine was on.
Adding a room upstairs soon. Kinda redid my roof with that in mind. Pricing materials today, who said there is no inflation!
I was one of those, it could never happen to me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Made some progress this weekend. Garage doors are in, windows are in, man door goes in tomorrow, and siding will be finished Wednesday. I decided, since plywood is so costly, that the top 6 feet of wall will be drywall and the bottom 4 feet will be plywood (or concrete in the back and sloped concrete on the side). I figured the bottom f feet would be most susceptible to damage, so it was a fair compromise I thought. So with that plan in mind, I got all the drywall up yesterday, bought a breaker panel and put plywood on the wall to mount the panel on.
Next steps are to rough in the lights and plugs and get panel mounted and wires ran from house to garage. Going to run two conduits underground, one for power and also a 3/4" conduit for ethernet, phone, intercom, camera etc. May not need it all now, but it's the easiest time to get it all in.
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Pics or it didn't happen......
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You might want to consider running something a little larger than 3/4". 1" isn't that much more expensive but it does give you a lot more area to run wires through.
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Yeah I wondered that too, but the 3/4" is only for the low voltage wires, I can't imagine there'll be more than 3 or them, or even 2 really. And since I'm only 5 feet from the house, the wifi from the house even reach out there. But I'll see how it works before I bury it.
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Yeah, go bigger on your conduit. You never know what the future holds.
If you can, run shielded Cat6 (several runs) and then you can run power in there later if need be too.
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Ok, you guys have convinced me, I'll step up the size of my second conduit.
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I wouldn't go less than 1.5 inch. And might go with 3 pipes while you have the trench open. Only cost a couple bucks now.
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Well as I mentioned the drywall is up now. Only parts left is to cover the rest of the remaining bottom 4 feet of wall with plywood, where it's not concrete.
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I will likely just put caulking where the plywood butts up against the drywall, and then the conduit for the surface mount wires will likely just go over the seam to hide it. Eventually the rafter will be strapped and the ceiling drywalled, but not likely until the summer sometime.
Also, all doors and windows are now in, and siding is up. I'll get some outdoor pictures this week, when it's daylight.
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looks good! Consider an attic folding stair to the top if you don't already have one.
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I agree, add a few sheets of wood before you close it up and a folding ladder!
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If you haven't already purchased or started cutting your plywood if might be worth it to try and find some BC rated plywood. Your GS1 is AC (A is the sanded side and C is the side with knots). The B side of the BC plywood isn't sanded but there aren't any knots in it.
It looks like you guys might rate your plywood a little different. I'm guessing the stuff with all the knots you looked at was rated MDO2 or MDO1? I think the stuff you might want to look for is SEL or if you are planning on painting the walls you could do SEL TF I think.
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looks good! Consider an attic folding stair to the top if you don't already have one.
Yes I'm definitely going to put some sort of access hatch for when the ceiling is done. Not sure if I'll end up with much storage if I end up blowing in insulation, but I suppose I could always put some plywood on the rafter and have a couple storage spots.
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Just do roll both on between the rafters and on the ceiling. That will keep the garage cozy and keep things stored from really freezing.
Just like clothing, layers are better
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Just do roll both on between the rafters and on the ceiling. That will keep the garage cozy and keep things stored from really freezing.
Just like clothing, layers are better
Neighbor placed a bunch of trash bags filled with blown in insulation over his stored stuff in the attic. He is just fighting keeping heat out of the house however, not a freezing problem here in Bullhead AZ
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You know I don't see openers on yet but look at the liftmasters. They go on the wall vs middle of the garage using the torque tube.
You can even get a battery backup so with no power you can get in.
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You know I don't see openers on yet but look at the liftmasters. They go on the wall vs middle of the garage using the torque tube.
You can even get a battery backup so with no power you can get in.
I do have the openers already, they are just the traditional type that use a chain. They'll be fine for now, but I have seen a couple people with the liftmasters and they do seem like a good idea!
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Got the panel hooked up this weekend, and got one plug mounted beside the panel so I will have power in there until I get plugs and lights installed.
Also built a shelf to hang on the wall, and started on a simple workbench as well.
Here's the bench, it's 8 feet long, and 2 feet deep. Will put a bottom shelf on one half, and my 20G air compressor will fit under the other half.
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Here's the shelf. I will get plastic bins to go in the spots along the bottom. Either side has holes for adjustable shelves, and obviously the center is pegboard. Just need to get some stain on the top and mount it.
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Looks good!
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Finally got all the lights in and working. I have 3 rows of 6 lights. Each one is an LED bulb so the low temp won't affect it like a florescent and all 18 bulbs run on less than 190w of power combined!! Already fixing the wife's car!
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I got my spare cummins home finally, going to clean it up and see what it needs, and give it at least a partial rebuild.
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I also got my plywood up today!!
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You might have already stated this & my apologies if you did. However, why did you decide to do the wood on the bottom & drywall up top?
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You might have already stated this & my apologies if you did. However, why did you decide to do the wood on the bottom & drywall up top?
I was going to do plywood everywhere, but once I realized they wanted $50 (CAD) per sheet for 1/2" G1S plywood, I did the bulk of it with drywall. The bottom 4 feet, which I figured would see the most abuse, is either concrete or plywood, so in theory I still get some of the ruggedness of plywood where it is needed, for a lot less cost.
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I see, you were afraid dry wall on lower would get beat up. What's the plan for finishing the wood, stain?
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I was thinking of just painting it all white eventually, even the concrete, but we'll see what happens.
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I was thinking of just painting it all white eventually, even the concrete, but we'll see what happens.
Gray might be a little friendlier...show fewer stains and won't look as dirty when it is...
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I was thinking of just painting it all white eventually, even the concrete, but we'll see what happens.
Gray might be a little friendlier...show fewer stains and won't look as dirty when it is...
Yeah that's a good point, wouldn't take long for grinder dust and diesel smoke to make the white look dirty.
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I was thinking of just painting it all white eventually, even the concrete, but we'll see what happens.
Gray might be a little friendlier...show fewer stains and won't look as dirty when it is...
Yeah that's a good point, wouldn't take long for grinder dust and diesel smoke to make the white look dirty.
My garages are gray and that seems to match the dirt quite well
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I did plywood bottom and painted white.
Plywood good, white not so much. Gray would be better.
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Any updates?
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Well, the garage is pretty much done now. I've got some plugs/lights wired in ( I used EMT conduit and surface mount plugs to make it easier to expand later), some outside lights etc. Thinking before winter hits, I should do something to the concrete floor. I don't want the expense of epoxy, but was looking at a densifier/sealer option, which makes it more resistant to water/oil spills etc. Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing?
I also didn't seam fill or paint yet, not sure if I will before the winter or not.
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My local concrete guy here recommends a sealer product (can't recall name) but he buys it from the bobcat dealer locally. Not sure if all bobcat dealers sell it or just this one. I would stay away from HD products.
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Look at what it would cost you for epoxy before you rule it out. Sherwin-Williams offers some real good stuff for a price that makes it worth it
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so how did the garage turn out? is it truly complete or odds and ends left to finish?
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so how did the garage turn out? is it truly complete or odds and ends left to finish?
Well I would say it's as complete as it needs to be. I've got the trailer project in there now, and it's been a great spot to keep the kubota etc. I didn't bother painting the walls yet, and concrete is still bare, but that's ok. To be honest we've been thinking of listing out house and buying or building somewhere a little more private, paying off some debts etc. But I'm certainly happy with my garage now as-is.