New Tesla

[Flyin6]

I ordered a new Tesla Model 3 performance today

What an easy process

Create an account, open it, then select a car

Click on order, click on if you want dual or single motor, and either a long range or a performance version.

Next select the color, decide if you want the $12,000 autonomous drive feature, chose a wall charging station and click "Order"

That's it, and it only comes in White, Charcoal at no charge, Vivid black for a slight upcharge, Pearl blue for $1000, and Pearl/candy red for $2000 upcharge.

Oh you get to choose a black (standard) or a white $1,000 surcharge interior as well.

You pay $250 at time of ordering.

Tesla will lease or finance, or you can show up with your own financing, or you can pay cash.

The down payment is $4,500 and I financed mine. I normally finance for a longer time frame then pay it off as quickly as I can. My car cost just over $65,000 including shipping, taxes, delivery, and doc fees.

[Flyin6]

About a minute after clicking order, Tesla came back with an order number and some homework. I had to take selfies, and photos of my driver's license and fill out the registration. That took about 5 minutes.

Next, I filled out the finance request and got approval in a few minutes.

I have a tentative delivery date from June to August. An email from Tesla a couple of minutes later said they would give me a closer delivery range once the VIN was assigned.

I'll use the time to configure the garage to accept the car with its charging requirements. The time of charging is fully customizable, so I'll schedule it to charge from midnight to around 0700, when electricity is most abundant and cheapest.

As of ordering + 1 hour, I am fully registered, have a confirmed order, approved financing, and am awaiting a delivery date.

Its a super smooth process!

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview

[Bob Smith]

And you make Biden a happy man.

[Flyin6]

And you make Biden a happy man.

Really don't care much about him, but it sure makes me happy!

[Bigdave_185]

So why not order the plaid, there isn’t a race car driver who has not loved theirs

Jk. I’m sure you will enjoy it


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[stlaser]

I feel like you just went to the dark side honestly……

We have a dealership in Louisville, Co or did. It may have went up in Marshall Fire……

I won’t buy one, for a long time. From a manufacturing standpoint too many quality issues. Then there’s that tent he builds them in which just bothers me in general. Then what do you do when it breaks?

It’s not that I’m altogether against ev’s, it’s just that I’d rather buy from another manufacturer who’s been building cars a lot longer and has the service centers to fix them.

My 2 cents for now, take it for what it’s worth.

I’m sure you’ll like it and it will be great. 

[KensAuto]

And you make Biden a happy man.

Biden doesn't like Musk.

Therefore, I do.
I would drive one if I wanted a car. Not because I even remotely think they help the planet, but because they haul butt (and like the technology).

Cool purchase Boss!

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[Bigdave_185]

Just to be maintain my Dave,



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[Bob Smith]

Nice Dave, very well done

[Bob Smith]

Hydro power is the target now. Not sure if it is the tribes or Biden but the dams are the target.

[TexasRedNeck]

Guy that works for me bought this. Model X Plaid.

https://youtube.com/shorts/E8depLnZFgY?feature=share

This thing is stupid fast. Sub 3 seconds 0-60

Build quality is still not there yet but they have a cult following.

I’d own one as a second vehicle for running around town but not as a primary vehicle.

Congrats Chief. Long way from the Dually you were eyeballing.


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[Flyin6]

Guy that works for me bought this. Model X Plaid.

https://youtube.com/shorts/E8depLnZFgY?feature=share

This thing is stupid fast. Sub 3 seconds 0-60

Build quality is still not there yet but they have a cult following.

I’d own one as a second vehicle for running around town but not as a primary vehicle.

Congrats Chief. Long way from the Dually you were eyeballing.


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I'm shifting up life
Changed a bunch of things
Probably will remain in my castle and just cabin up the farm
Decided not to go into anysort of business that commits me to gov't regulation so the D-max is good enough
Was looking at gas cars, but the maintenance is just plain dumb. Gas cars are not reliable, and from what I see, the Tesla is (reliable)
I am talking to Duane and another retired pilot about putting in a fuel plant at the farm. Free fuel esentially. So free diesel and we each have 3500 trucks, so there's that.
Time in all these projects: I have been skipping out on just living because of never-ending projects. I just turned 68...thinking of spending more time doing stuff and less time fixing stuff.
So The Tesla was the first step in a life-reconfigure I am undertaking
Cool thing: Kiddo returns from Europe in Aug, I think. So I am planning to take a EV ride down to Ft. Stewart Georgia to visit. under 600 miles and two "Fuel" stops. I will be able to drive down there for what $20 or so??
Nice

[Bob Smith]

Don, nice that you are able to get into a new EV. Would be nice to be able to travel 600 miles for twenty bucks or so and only having to make two stops to recharge batteries.
I am very interested in how the costs and downtime recharging batteries work out in the long timeframe.

[TexasRedNeck]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping.amp

Know before you go


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[KensAuto]

Fuel plant?
They sell those at the local nursery?
If so, grab me a couple!

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[stlaser]

I understand the projects and life shifting. I’m trying to declutter atm, consolidate and move up our timeline on getting out of Colorado permanently. Before it was a 10 year plan, now I’m hoping for 5….

Don’t get me wrong I’ll have the shop here for at least five more years but I plan to spend more time at the new location out of state (once I get one bought) versus here in hippyland as things progress. 

[Flyin6]

Don, nice that you are able to get into a new EV. Would be nice to be able to travel 600 miles for twenty bucks or so and only having to make two stops to recharge batteries.
I am very interested in how the costs and downtime recharging batteries work out in the long timeframe.

I am watching Duane carefully. So far the cost of driving his car is almost nothing. They have a rule: ABC which stands for "Always be charging."
He plugs his car in at home and it charges from midnight till 7 AM. But it doesn't do that very often. It doesn't use much juice just sitting there. So far, he just gets in it and drives. Sometimes a hundred miles away, then comes back. It's as if it never needs anything. The cost of electricity at night bottoms out so the amount he is paying is very very low. Using that charging plan, you could take a 300-mile trip for just a few bucks.
Traveling at day and charging up at supercharging stations will cost a bunch more, but I don't see where the cost will even be a third of a gas car and really only maybe 20% according to the numbers I see. We drove around the other day, then hit a supercharge station topping from 240 miles up to around 290 for $1.35. So 40-50 miles for $1.35.
This is all just raw data, and charging will likely not always be cheap, but what about the rest of it?
No oil filter
No oil
No CEL
no brake pads
no pesky engine problems
no transmission flare shifting
no trans fluid changes
The resale value that is incredible. You can actually make money on the car after 6 months due to skyrocketing demand and increasing sticker price.
Duane purchased in March for $56ishK. I just purchased the exact same car in a different color for $63ishK. He could sell his car for every bit of $63 K in one day around here and realize a $7K profit.
This is just too smart to walk away from

[Flyin6]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping.amp

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I don't believe this based purely on the numbers
OK, 4 days = 96 hours
The man travelled 2000 miles
He did not just drive 2000 miles on a freeway, especially considering where he did it and all the slow traffic/traffic jams and urban driving he must have done.
He drove 70mph on highways, and 35 around town. He spent some time at traffic lights and he spent some time in stop and go driving. So let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he averaged, say 45 mph split between stopped and exceeding 70 mph
So 2000/45= 44.4 hours just spent driving
That leaves roughly 51.5 hours remaining
So did the man just drive and sleep? Or did he take a meal, and check in a hotel, and watch some TV and the occasional shower?
Of course he did.
I'll say one hour per meal per day =12 hours.
51.5 - 12 = 39.5 hours remaining
Then the man had to check in a room, shower and the like, say 2.5 hours per day for evening/morning, or 10 hours
39.5 - 10 = 29.5
So he said he spent more time charging than he did sleeping, so
29.5/2= 14.75 hours
So we'll say he spent 14.8 hours charging and 14.6 hours sleeping.
I'm already having trouble with this. Really, 14.6 hours sleeping on at least three nights? So he is operating on 4.9 hours of sleep a night? And then he just suddenly wakes up and is ready to drive another 500+ miles?
This story falls apart right there for me, but, wait, there's more
That means he spent the 14.8 hours charging.
Tesla supercharging stations charge 200 miles in 15 minutes. So all 2000 miles would take 150 minutes or less than three hours
Nossir, that story is Bull and simply not true!

[Flyin6]

My app just updated with the following:

Your Model 3 build details
Model 3 Performance Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive
Deep Blue Metallic Paint
Performance Upgrade
20’’ Überturbine Wheels
All Black Premium Interior
Autopilot

Estimated Delivery: August 12 - September 16
Delivery timing will update based on configuration availability. We will reach out to schedule your delivery when your VIN is assigned.

[Bigdave_185]

Should see your car about the time I see my truck


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[Flyin6]

Should see your car about the time I see my truck


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dunno, hope you get yours sooner!
Duane tells me, they told him the same thing, then when they issued a VIN, things sped up considerably. He got his two weeks earlier than the date they give you.
My infantry warrior gets back home in August, so I hope I get it in time to go see him. I'll drive down to Ft Stewart as soon as he gets home.

[stlaser]

https://www.facebook.com/janette.asaropena/videos/1222928655135782/?fs=e&s=cl

For the record this is Ken’s fault. He sent this to me and asked I post it here. Something about how he was worried of getting unbanned then banned again or something. I think there was an H reference in there somewhere too. Maybe how they didn’t make one that could haul her capacity around yet?   

[Flyin6]

https://www.facebook.com/janette.asaropena/videos/1222928655135782/?fs=e&s=cl

For the record this is Ken’s fault. He sent this to me and asked I post it here. Something about how he was worried of getting unbanned then banned again or something. I think there was an H reference in there somewhere too. Maybe how they didn’t make one that could haul her capacity around yet?   

I think, after seeing that, Ken is in a lot of trouble!

[TexasRedNeck]

Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boys


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[Flyin6]

Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boys


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Who do ya think?
A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?

[stlaser]

Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boys


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Who do ya think?
A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?

From a sole numbers perspective I think I’m at a tad disadvantage unless someone else is named Shawn on here…… 

[dave945]

I don’t understand what you mean , there’s only letters there, no numbers.   


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[Flyin6]

Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boys


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Who do ya think?
A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?

From a sole numbers perspective I think I’m at a tad disadvantage unless someone else is named Shawn on here…… 

We do have another Shawn, or sorta spells his name somewhat like yours.
But
After seeing that obvious propaganda meant to raise my blood pressure, and knowing he is a wise man, I'm betting he is distancing himself from you about now...

[Flyin6]

In the event no one votes to save em, My decision is (I've been watching old episodes of Hells Kitchen and Chef Ramsey), I think I'll fire the S rascal from the hippy state. After all, who likes anyone from Colorado?

If any of U's want to save em, speak now or let him burn!

[stlaser]

Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boys


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Who do ya think?
A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?

From a sole numbers perspective I think I’m at a tad disadvantage unless someone else is named Shawn on here…… 

After seeing that obvious propaganda meant to raise my blood pressure, and knowing he is a wise man, I'm betting he is distancing himself from you about now...

Facts, I think you meant to says facts. Propaganda is things that I use to raise Ken’s blood pressure….

[stlaser]

In the event no one votes to save em, My decision is (I've been watching old episodes of Hells Kitchen and Chef Ramsey), I think I'll fire the S rascal from the hippy state. After all, who likes anyone from Colorado?

If any of U's want to save em, speak now or let him burn!

Technically I’m “from” Indiana, Colorado is just a momentary stop on my way to a final chunk of ground in a much further north state soon.

[Bigdave_185]

Seems like a legitimate concern from the video, I know lots of the gas/electric stations around here in Utah are garbage bagged. 


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[stlaser]

Seems like a legitimate concern from the video, I know lots of the gas/electric stations around here in Utah are garbage bagged. 


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Careful Dave, you’re treading on thin ice. Mainly because of your name Dave but a close second is agreeing with me or maybe not so much me but the truth of the matter. Furthermore, the lack of an available electric recharging system or infrastructure is only a concern for non retirees. You see had you been paying attention those long lines at charging stations are a great time to catch up on some much needed beauty sleep of our older brethren. Frankly, I have a hard time arguing that point…..

[Bigdave_185]

Seems like a legitimate concern from the video, I know lots of the gas/electric stations around here in Utah are garbage bagged. 


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Careful Dave, you’re treading on thin ice. Mainly because of your name Dave but a close second is agreeing with me or maybe not so much me but the truth of the matter. Furthermore, the lack of an available electric recharging system or infrastructure is only a concern for non retirees. You see had you been paying attention those long lines at charging stations are a great time to catch up on some much needed beauty sleep of our older brethren. Frankly, I have a hard time arguing that point…..

I hadn’t looked at it like that, I’m getting better at sleeping in the driver seat the older I get. 

Next fuel station I go to I’ll look


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[JR]

Now I think EV would be great, but the up front cost and I can't charge at my prop. When I go on trips I drive that much in 1 day, how would that work?

Anyway, your delivery date is the same for my building now.

[Flyin6]

Well, first off I have to deal with the issue of Shawn stirrin' the mud

To review the numba 1 rule here: Never, and I mean never call out Don! Never point out anything you believe he may have done wrong...Never. Don't say anything but nice things about his work, and certainly, you should agree with all his opinions

So, that was easy

Now back to the offendin' rascal...Shawn

I think I ought to fire him for a period of time that I will think about and determine in the future sometime, provided I don't forget about this matter...

I should also fire the Dave. He sorta agreed with the Shawn, so that's good enough for me. I think I'll fire the other dave as well. Mostly because of his name, but he was trying to mix numbers and letters. Somehow, that can't be right...

JR and Ken and Tex are off the hook.

Now that we have fewer members, let's continue the conversation

Utah Dave has mentioned seeing bagged EV charging terminals. That is significant. I'd be interested if they were malfunctioning, not hooked up, not complete yet, or something else. From my very limited experience, I have never seen the local Tesla supercharging station full. It has a bunch of units that will charge one car pretty fast or split the charge and then charge two vehicles not quite as fast. I have learned a thing or two about charging etiquette. People do not park next to a car which is already charging if there is a unit available which has both it's charging ports available.

The Tesla net that you are automatically plugged into when you purchase one of their cars actually reports how many charging units are available in the supercharging stations along your route. I am assuming that means, "working/operational units and not ones that are bagged. I mean think about it. What would it look like if the car navigated you to a refuel location that was dead? That would make the news and look something like that vid Shawn, err, Ken wanted to be posted here.

I thought about that vid some. Suppose there is a supercharge station in location X. The station supports the local population of Tesla owners. Now suppose that location suddenly gets a tsunami of Tesla cars showing up, say on Thanksgiving??

Thinking about it. most rural locals will have a supercharging station not too terribly far away, but because of the nature of blue-collar and farmer's incomes, not a lot of the folks living their own $100K EVs. But a lot of their sons and daughters after graduating college went on to Denver, Houston, Chicago, and New York. But come the holidays, those wealthier siblings make the trip home, and in their new Tesla EV. After all, they would want to 1. Travel nearly for free, and 2. Show off their newfound success...Make sense?

Well, that is a perfect recipe to set up the situation we see in the vid...100 cars waiting on 20 charging stations. I doubt that is a common occurrence, but I sure would like to know the truth of the matter.

So, tell ya what I'll do. I'll start up another thread. I'll call it EV charging experience" or something like that. What I'll do is take a pic...probably from the actual camera in the nose of my Tesla that shows what I see when I drive into a supercharging station. I'll just post it objectively and let the truth tell the story.

But I will seldom see a supercharging station. Charging at home and having a 300-mile range every morning, I doubt I will need to "top-off" very often when out.

Oh, and someone remind me sometime to decide how long the offending boneheads get banned for...  ;-)

[cj7ox]

THIS JUST IN: DON, AKA "BIG D", WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE ANY DISSENT, DISAGREEMENT, OR CONTRARY DISCUSSIONS ON TOPICS HE HAS DEEMED HIMSELF TO BE EXPERT. (Which for the purposes of this forum, shall include everything)ALL WHO DO SO ARE TO RELEGATED TO THE FIRES OF ETERNAL DISGRACE, BANNED FROM ALL FURTHER DISCUSSION OF ANY TOPIC WHATSOEVER, AND REMOVED FROM HIS AUGUST PRESENCE! YE HAVE BEEN WARNED! TOPICS IN WHICH HE IS ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE INCLUDE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE WISDOM OF PURCHASING A TESLA WHEN CHARGING STATION AVAILABILITY MAY BE SUSPECT. (Especially that)  

Fixed it for ya^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ;-)

BTW, I stand with Shawn (even though he spells his name wrong ). I'm glad I remembered the scrolling feature. It's fun, and I haven't used it in a while! LOL

Packing now in preparation of my imminent dismissal from this site for an undislosed amount of time....

[JR]

Doesn't SC station take like 1 hour. That would handle 20+ cars a day, but you got to fight for a spot. I have stations all over the place here, and most have several chargers.

I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.

[Flyin6]

Doesn't SC station take like 1 hour. That would handle 20+ cars a day, but you got to fight for a spot. I have stations all over the place here, and most have several chargers.

I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.

JR is former law enforcement. He offers wise counsel. I concur, those dissenters are fired for 90 seconds and that includes the Colonel who couldn't just quietly stay in his corner... ;-)

No, SC is much faster. You get like 200 miles in about 21 minutes. But that was the "Old" battery data. Second quarter and newer Model 3's and I think the Plaid cars are getting a newer battery that can be charged to 100% every time. Older batteries would be charged to 80%-85% to preserve their life. New batteries are supposed to be good for 18-20 years and can take a 100% charge every time. They also do not lose capacity over time like the old chemistry. My car and Duane's have the new batteries. His car charged from 250 ish miles to full in just minutes when I did my supercharging station training with him.

From a goggle search:
40 minutes
A Supercharger can charge a battery from 0% to 80% in about 40 minutes. After 80% charge is reached, the charging rate slows in order to protect the battery’s health until 100% charge is reached. You won’t need your Tesla’s battery to be at 100% to get to most destinations.

Note: 80% = 266 miles

[Flyin6]

Well, I see this thread has fallen apart and into some FB-style discussion thread just like everything else around here! :-(

[Bob Smith]

Well, I see this thread has fallen apart and into some FB-style discussion thread just like everything else around here! :-(

Such a shame!!

[Sammconn]

Doesn't SC station take like 1 hour. That would handle 20+ cars a day, but you got to fight for a spot. I have stations all over the place here, and most have several chargers.

I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.

JR is former law enforcement. He offers wise counsel. I concur, those dissenters are fired for 90 seconds and that includes the Colonel who couldn't just quietly stay in his corner... ;-)

No, SC is much faster. You get like 200 miles in about 21 minutes. But that was the "Old" battery data. Second quarter and newer Model 3's and I think the Plaid cars are getting a newer battery that can be charged to 100% every time. Older batteries would be charged to 80%-85% to preserve their life. New batteries are supposed to be good for 18-20 years and can take a 100% charge every time. They also do not lose capacity over time like the old chemistry. My car and Duane's have the new batteries. His car charged from 250 ish miles to full in just minutes when I did my supercharging station training with him.

From a goggle search:
40 minutes
A Supercharger can charge a battery from 0% to 80% in about 40 minutes. After 80% charge is reached, the charging rate slows in order to protect the battery’s health until 100% charge is reached. You won’t need your Tesla’s battery to be at 100% to get to most destinations.

Note: 80% = 266 miles

Betcha can't get me home in a Tesla...not in one day, and maybe not in two.
And I'd hate to see what 200 miles of crushed rock does to the bottom...

Oh, and let's say it's mid January, and a balmy -35 or so.

I can't figure how many kW's of heat will play into winter ops.

[cj7ox]

THIS JUST IN: DON, AKA "BIG D", HAS DECREED THAT ALL LIEUTENANT COLONELS WITH NAMES THAT RHYME WITH YAWN SHOULD BE SEEN (SOMETIMES), AND NOT HEARD (ALWAYS). SUCH INDIVIDUALS ARE HEARBY ORDERED TO STICK THEIR NOSE IN THE SOUTH-WESTERN CORNER OF THE ROOM AND CONTEMPLATE THEIR INFRACTIONS INTO THE GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE OF THIS MOST AUGUST GATHERING OF GENTLEMEN. THE BIG D HAS SPOKEN!
 

[Flyin6]

Well, I didn't say that, but ya know, I coulda!
But I am a gentleman (sometimes)
so: CM

[JR]

 

[Flyin6]

Doesn't SC station take like 1 hour. That would handle 20+ cars a day, but you got to fight for a spot. I have stations all over the place here, and most have several chargers.

I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.

JR is former law enforcement. He offers wise counsel. I concur, those dissenters are fired for 90 seconds and that includes the Colonel who couldn't just quietly stay in his corner... ;-)

No, SC is much faster. You get like 200 miles in about 21 minutes. But that was the "Old" battery data. Second quarter and newer Model 3's and I think the Plaid cars are getting a newer battery that can be charged to 100% every time. Older batteries would be charged to 80%-85% to preserve their life. New batteries are supposed to be good for 18-20 years and can take a 100% charge every time. They also do not lose capacity over time like the old chemistry. My car and Duane's have the new batteries. His car charged from 250 ish miles to full in just minutes when I did my supercharging station training with him.

From a goggle search:
40 minutes
A Supercharger can charge a battery from 0% to 80% in about 40 minutes. After 80% charge is reached, the charging rate slows in order to protect the battery’s health until 100% charge is reached. You won’t need your Tesla’s battery to be at 100% to get to most destinations.

Note: 80% = 266 miles

Betcha can't get me home in a Tesla...not in one day, and maybe not in two.
And I'd hate to see what 200 miles of crushed rock does to the bottom...

Oh, and let's say it's mid January, and a balmy -35 or so.

I can't figure how many kW's of heat will play into winter ops.

Couple of things
Cold temps really mess with the batteries. At super low temps I seriously doubt you would see much range at all, and pre heating of the batteries would be mandatory
Now as for the belly pan, you're good there. To positively ensure the batteries (which are mounted to the underside of the car) never see any water...Lithium-Ion batteries + H2O = Boom!
Anyway, the actual belly pan is made of titanium!!!!! Yes, the same stuff used to armor up the cockpit of an A10 making it resistant to everything up to 23mm. Now not that thick but will not fail under any and all of the crash tests the DOT people test cars with.

I've seen accident results where that pan is creased but never punctured. A Telsa car is better protected than your average 4x4 truck or SUV!

[JR]

Kept in a garage it might be OK in that. When in use they generate their own heat, much less need cooling when hot or charging.

[Flyin6]

I was just checking out the number of charging stations available to me on my upcoming trip to Ft. Stewart, Ga. and it's in the hundreds. The cool thing is the Tesla stations are Tesla only. We have a nonstandard charging connection to keep all the pesky chevies n fards away. And we come with an adapter to plug into their stations

Also checked on the cost. Runs about .30 a min for a 50kw charging station. That will charge 200 miles in less than 20 min, so figure a 30-40 min stop if I've driven way down to less than 20% battery remaining. Another thing I discovered. There is a latent charge. Beginning five minutes after full charge, you get charged a fee for parking there and taking up space. That's kind of cool. So, I'll time things out to arrive needing like 45 min of charge and hit a restaurant...see if I can work it out to be back before I peave off the locals.

[Flyin6]

Kept in a garage it might be OK in that. When in use they generate their own heat, much less need cooling when hot or charging.

Yes they do. The Tesla system actually pumps Glycol all around the 4,500+ batteries to keep them all the same temp. Then circulates it throughout those high-tech electric motors

[JR]

TO bad the "auto drive" can't unplug it and park it for you.