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Bear9350:
I've decided it is time to get me one of those "black guns". Mainly I think I should get one of these because I don't have one and think I should. Previously I have tossed around the idea of a AR-10 on 6.5CM. Then I thought maybe a 6.5 Grendal would be good, and I've thought about a 300 blackout. And then I was throwing around the idea of something chambered in 9mm. But right now I think I should just get dip my toes in with something in 223 wylde. I'm thinking 223 wylde so that I could shoot both 5.56 and .223 with no issues should there ever be issues with availability.
I'm not lucking for an uber accurate gun here. I've got my precision bolt gun if I need to reach out there. I want this to be a rather budget friendly gun that will just plain shoot. I have no problem building the gun from pieces, or purchasing a completed gun should it make more financial sense.
The problem is that I don't really know anything about these and what makes them good or not. Show or tell me about a bolt gun and I would no something about it. Not the case with these gas guns. So I am looking for your guys help here in pointing me in the right direction. I've done some searching around the internets and come up with a lot of ideas with a large range in price.
Bear9350:
So I was perusing the local Armslist postings to see if anything caught my eye.
Tell me what you all think of these:
This one would basically be ready to shoot, I think. I don't know what a "bad lever" is.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/9287028/appleton-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--18-inch-ar-15
Or just pick myself up a stripped lower to complete this one I think:
http://www.armslist.com/posts/8323932/green-bay-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--new-ar15-complete-kit--5-56-223--16--1-7--twist-rate--15--keymod-handguard--minimalist-stock
Then I got side tracked with 6.5 grendal stuff. If/when I get one of these I would want it to be a fairly accurate gun so I could shoot it on the 600 yard range.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/9311001/green-bay-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--new-16--ar-15-6-5-grendel-complete-kit-minus-stripped-lower-receiver-
And then side tracked with 9mm stuff. Hmm. starting to think maybe I should get one of these instead of the 223 wylde. In an ammo shortage I would think 9mm may be one of the easiest to find.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/9617478/milwaukee-wisconsin-handguns-for-sale-trade--9mm-ar15-pistol
And then I found this complete upper in 223 Wylde. This one would need a complete lower assembly.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/9520367/madison-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--6-5-creedmoor-ar10--6-5-grendels-ar15--ar15-barrels
And that is when I decided I needed help.
And then this rolls across my news feed.
https://davidsondefense.com/Davidson-Defense-Barbarian-AR-15-Upper-Receiver-20-Ultra-Match-65-Grendel-4150-CMV-H-BAR-1-8T-Barrel-17-M-Lok-Handguard-Assembled-or-Unassembled_p_3964.html
Atkinsmatt:
Look at a place like palmetto state armory for a different take. The last one looks like a good price until you read down and see that there is no bolt or bolt carrier group (BCG) or charging handle.
Midway USA has some great assembly video's. They work for what ever caliber of the ar15 platform. These things are like legos. Something that looks like a good deal can be but you also need to know what to look for. Getting a complete one is faster but it is nice to build one as well. With some video instruction from a reliable place like Midway USA you can build one from a pile of parts in a couple hours with only a couple special tools. Ask away.
KensAuto:
Only thing I would mention is that I was under the impression that if you had a .556, you could shoot .223 just fine (I do). Matter of fact, my first one is a .223 and it shoots .556 just fine. Not sure how long it will last....probably only ran 1000 rnds through that one.
Not a fan of 9mm in a rifle. I like being able to take factory ammo and spray 500 yards when needed.
Bear9350:
--- Quote from: KensAuto on March 01, 2019, 11:13:27 AM ---Only thing I would mention is that I was under the impression that if you had a .556, you could shoot .223 just fine (I do). Matter of fact, my first one is a .223 and it shoots .556 just fine. Not sure how long it will last....probably only ran 1000 rnds through that one.
Not a fan of 9mm in a rifle. I like being able to take factory ammo and spray 500 yards when needed.
--- End quote ---
From what I understand you can shoot .223 in a barrel chambered for 5.56 but are giving up some accuracy. 5.56 I think has the possibility of overpressure in .223. .223 Wylde blends them together so you get the accuracy of the .223 but can handle the pressures of 5.56. Again, not an expert by any means, that is just how I understood it.
At my club we have a weekly Action Rifle league during the summer. Think like 3 gun, but without the pistol or shotgun. Longest shot would be 50 yards. I'm thinking about getting into it, which is what originally made the 9mm appealing. I could send a lot of ammo through it every week for cheap.
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