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Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« on: August 09, 2019, 04:34:42 PM »
OK, starting up Part 4 of this build

After some time over at a local garage it is back in my possession.

Due to a calamity of events the truck was gone for quite some time. I drove it over because of an aggressive leak between the transmission and the transfer case, and to get the AC working

The leak was repaired on day one with a new seal. I guess I must have buggered up the fresh one I installed when I installed the rub kit in the transfer case.

The AC would not blow any cold air so it made sense to get that looked at. The AC system was recharged bringing it up to spec, but then they noticed the cooling fan for the engine, and the AC cooling fan was not working properly. That began an almost two month long journey that had us calling BlackBear Performance, the guy who sold the electric fan conversion, and other automotive electrical engineering types. At the end of that journey, I have an AC system which can easily double as a refrigeration unit, the main engine cooling fan and a malfunctioning AC fan.

After everything I think the fix is as simple as getting Justin at BlackBear Performance to simply turn on the fan control in the next flash of this trucks ECM.

That being said, I am now at the point where I need to drive it to record some engine data so that I can send that off to justin to complete this, the second step of engine tuning. Following the installation of that tune, I should have a full up vehicle ready to use as a daily or an adventure vehicle.

So without further adieu, I'm off to record some data.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2019, 04:39:13 PM »
make sure your driving is a regular as possible.

so..

lots of skinny pedal and very late and minimal braking!

can’t wait to see what this sucker makes after a couple hundred miles of drive data to retune off of

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2019, 06:31:50 PM »
make sure your driving is a regular as possible.

so..

lots of skinny pedal and very late and minimal braking!

can’t wait to see what this sucker makes after a couple hundred miles of drive data to retune off of
Well, a funny thing happened on the way to the tuner

I got a short drive on it, maybe 15 minutes of recorded data, one 2-3 pull. It is for sure a pig! Compared to my D-max...Well, there is no comparison with the D-Max!

It's the little engine that could right now. But, I have no cooling fan. I thought I did, leaving the garage, was told it was running, but that seems to be wrong. So no fan which means while I'm driving the temp stays around 210 or a tad under which I think is about stock. But when I come to a stop light and craw around in traffic the temp gage does some bad stuff.

I hit 230 a couple of times and got a low coolant light. I stopped at Autozone and picked up a gallon of Dexi 50/50 and took a shower of hot dexi when I opened the under pressure cap to the reservoir. I topped that up, taking 3/4 of a gallon and thinking I spilled a pint or two during the explosion, so it was a tad low.
Driving home I got a CEL, Brake light (red) illuminated, anti-lock light illuminated and one instance of increasing temp. Driving it is fine though, just lacks power.

One thing I will say is the ride is unbelievable! I mean it is almost like nothing I have ever driven. So, so smooth and comfortable. THe steering is dead on and is tight. It responds well to inputs and does not lean very much in corners. Considering it is a 7" lift sitting on 35's with a couple hundred pounds on the roof, that's saying a lot. It truly is probably the best riding and most comfortable thing I think I have ever driven!

So I'm wondering if that one data pull of 15 minutes is enough for Justin to play with??? I would just love to get the fan working so i can drive normally.

Oh and the AC fan is also a no go. I almost want to believe the electric fan feature is not turned on in the software Justin sent me. So with no AC fan, the AC will run for a short time. But as the heat builds in the condenser up front there is no fan to push it out which causes pressure to increase. We recorded pressures between 350 and 500 psi on the scanner which causes the high pressure kickout to shut the thing down.

Right now I am sort of stuck without operational cooling...Grrrr.....
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2019, 06:33:13 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2019, 07:23:47 PM »
Can go hot wire the cooling fans just to keep he engine cooled down whilst you pull data for the new tune?  I know it’s not optimal, but it would give you the opportunity to get more data for the tine.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2019, 07:58:08 PM »
Can go hot wire the cooling fans just to keep he engine cooled down whilst you pull data for the new tune?  I know it’s not optimal, but it would give you the opportunity to get more data for the tine.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2019, 11:33:16 PM »
$2200 I’ll take care of it




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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2019, 12:23:33 AM »
$2200 I’ll take care of it




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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2019, 12:26:29 AM »
Maybe he’s offering to fix it for $2200. :)


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2019, 08:45:08 AM »
 Nope, the more problems the cheaper it gets


Another option Don

Let’s take the cab off of Cmax and swap the whole deal under the suburban.     Win win.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2019, 09:01:10 AM »
Nope, the more problems the cheaper it gets


Another option Don

Let’s take the cab off of Cmax and swap the whole deal under the suburban.     Win win.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2019, 09:07:12 AM »
not to hi jack your thread, but there’s an 07 white burb with black leather, double captains chairs. with an LMM in it for sale around here for decent $$ (in my opinion)

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2019, 09:12:02 AM »
not to hi jack your thread, but there’s an 07 white burb with black leather, double captains chairs. with an LMM in it for sale around here for decent $$ (in my opinion)
What's decent money???

The lady of the house is tired of the GJ and wants a Suburban

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2019, 10:22:43 AM »
not to hi jack your thread, but there’s an 07 white burb with black leather, double captains chairs. with an LMM in it for sale around here for decent $$ (in my opinion)
What's decent money???

The lady of the house is tired of the GJ and wants a Suburban

Edit: Thanks for the PM!
Time to go edit the GJ thread, what’s the specs on that? My wife wants a GJ with 1tons via greatlakes


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2019, 10:47:17 AM »
not to hi jack your thread, but there’s an 07 white burb with black leather, double captains chairs. with an LMM in it for sale around here for decent $$ (in my opinion)
What's decent money???

The lady of the house is tired of the GJ and wants a Suburban

Edit: Thanks for the PM!
Time to go edit the GJ thread, what’s the specs on that? My wife wants a GJ with 1tons via greatlakes


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2019, 05:41:52 PM »
She'd sell it to ya for sure!

OK, so I was successful in getting the engine data recorded over a 25 min test drive...And with no overheating.

Had a couple other unexpected things pop up which surprised me. It slung oil out of both rear hubs all over my wheels! I wonder if I had those tightened up??? If so, I guess, I remove, clean and seal with some RTV.

Other than that I am really happy with the way the thing drives, just great

And something else. I think I'll just hold right here with the LS power plant. I just love the mellow sound that big magnaflow muffler makes and although the power is not apparent, it is there. It would climb long grades with a smoothness and ease that comes partially from those 4.88's and partially from that big torque cam.

The collected engine recorded data along with the stock tune has already been emailed to Justin at Black Bear for him to work his magic. I eagerly await the results from that.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2019, 07:02:34 PM »
that’s great to hear.

and more than likely that’s the culprit to the gear oil on the rear. unless.. by chance the bolt holes pass through so inside the hub and are allowing oil past the threads?

i’d wager it’s either loose or no gasket there.. easy fix either way

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2019, 08:08:42 PM »
Yeah. I’m the dummy that follows the book


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2019, 10:18:38 PM »
I use gaskets. Had to warranty silicone a few times.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2019, 11:04:13 PM »
I have both.  Drive is glue and passenger is gasket lol


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2019, 02:26:13 PM »
This is what you need Don

https://zzdiesel.com/rear-axle-flange-gasket-2001-2010-11-5-rear-axle?adgroup=pla-4576717153391623&campaign=360725089&device=c&keyword=&msclkid=643be84fd9151410f3b7b50080107c6d&utm_campaign=%2A%2ALP+Shop+-+Catch+All&utm_content=Shopping+Catch+All&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_term=4576717153391623
Won't fit!

I had a pair

But these military hubs from this monster axle has a larger bolt circle which dwarfs that factory GM stuff.

I'll see if I can get a pic...or maybe I posted one somewhere back in the build thread(s) when i was building up that axle
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2019, 04:48:52 PM »
Nope, the more problems the cheaper it gets


Another option Don

Let’s take the cab off of Cmax and swap the whole deal under the suburban.     Win win.


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Think you would have to graft the rear portion of the frame from the sub. Not the same as a truck, but I like the idea.
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2019, 05:01:20 PM »
I am sure don can RedNeck Engineer something up for it.


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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2019, 05:18:55 PM »
Just weld one frame to the other, plus he gets a lift!
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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2019, 05:48:50 PM »
Amazing how you people come up with some knucklehead idea, then run with it!

Amazing... :facepalm:

So, ya, all of the axle bolts on both sides were loose, but can you tell by looking at it? I took this before tightening
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2019, 05:51:15 PM »
Well, good news is that the rear wheels have a nice anti corrosion coating of 75W-90 rubbed evenly all over them  :facepalm:

And about the hub size thing. The smaller one is what our HD silverados get, it's of my truck axle. The larger one is the hub the military gets on their up-armored burbs.
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2019, 05:52:34 PM »
I guess the KBS super paint is not very heat resistant.

That used to be silver!

I had to sand it all off

I'll chase after this later
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2019, 08:42:58 PM »
3/4 inch is a real big difference depending on who ya ask lol


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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2019, 09:47:48 PM »
3/4 inch is a real big difference depending on who ya ask lol


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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2019, 09:24:40 AM »
3/4 inch is a real big difference depending on who ya ask lol


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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2019, 05:03:39 PM »
Just got off the phone with Black Bear Performance. They have my data files and have placed me on the list to get the updated tune. They said the process takes 10-12 days, so I'll focus on the truck and get that back 100%, and maybe patch a couple other things on the burb.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2019, 06:46:31 PM »
Justin looked at the data log I sent and immediately identified a vacuum leak. Amazing how this stuff works

So I investigated and sure enough, beneath the throttle cable mount there was a vacuum barbed nipple open. So I plugged it and started the engine. Now that's its sealed up, the thing will almost not idle, only holding around 400-450 rpm. Nevertheless, I feathered the gas and got another drive and data log on it but when I tried to download the autocal, it showed having recorded no data.

GRRRRR....

So I guess I will try again tomorrow, weather and conditions permitting.

One thing I am noticing is that the 4.88 gear is PERFECT! I thought it was overgeared, but I think its actually right in its sweet spot. Was averaging 1500-1700 RPM country road driving and almost never climbed over 2,000.

The maintenance, "Get you out of the chockblocks" tune that is in there now is making no power. I so very much hope this motor changes radically once tuned because it is a complete sled right now. It rakes awhile just to get up to 50 mph!

Keep in mind we are still crossing the stream, about mid stream I'd say, so draw no conclusions yet.
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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2019, 08:52:02 PM »
Hopefully the work out. When the tune is finally done it may not.

Like you said, mid stream.
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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2019, 03:49:45 AM »
Keep in mind we are still crossing the stream, about mid stream I'd say, so draw no conclusions yet.

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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2019, 05:13:14 AM »
8 days from the last post Don.  Whats the latest?
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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2019, 01:52:52 PM »
8 days from the last post Don.  Whats the latest?
Somewhere between the dead zone and the twilight zone

As I stated earlier, Justin noted the vacuum leak, which I fixed. I then did another data log. I failed to shut it all down correctly and lost all of it

I did another test run, this time 39 min. I thought I shut it all down correctly, but when I tried to download the data, there was nothing there on the autocal.

Justin still isn't to my update, may have sidelined me pending the new data log, dunno. I'm trying again today to pull another data log. I can't believe how doggy this burb is. Something has to be very wrong, I'd say its lucky to have 100 HP, maybe less. Wide open is just a change in noise. No acceleration to speak of. Maybe 20 sec 0-60, maybe...

Disappointing at this point, but temporary since it's not been tuned. If it doesn't wake up in a big-big-huge way it's gonna be no fun at all to drive. We'll see

In the mean time, the truck is still down, long time now. I'm in a rental and other things in life need to go on, so I play with this stuff when time allows.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2019, 03:27:15 PM »
I’m sure that all the extra air with the heads and cam are throwing mixtures waaay off.

Unless you want to become the king is unfinished projects, I suggest you get to it PDQ

Otherwise you’ll have knuckle head Dave’s offering to buy it for $1


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2019, 05:37:49 PM »
I’m sure that all the extra air with the heads and cam are throwing mixtures waaay off.

Unless you want to become the king is unfinished projects, I suggest you get to it PDQ

Otherwise you’ll have knuckle head Dave’s offering to buy it for $1


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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2019, 06:22:24 PM »
$2,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2019, 10:29:18 PM »
Dang, JR beat me to it!  $2.50!


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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2019, 10:51:02 PM »
$3,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2019, 12:23:27 AM »
I’ll straight up call it junk. Scrap, non use. Better part it out.   Bet you make a profit. 


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2019, 03:56:25 PM »
Naw, folks.

This beast is gonna roar! :beercheers:
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« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2019, 05:47:06 PM »
Update: I got another recording and have emailed it off to Justin.

And as it turns out, my AutoCal was not losing the data logs after all.

I was just looking for them in the wrong place.

Once I went to the right folder, several data logs were waiting there, so I grabbed up the latest one and promptly sent it to Justin.

Now we wait until I get the new tune back.
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2019, 06:47:37 PM »
That's great, hopefully he feels your pain and gets you a turn ASAP.
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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2019, 12:22:11 PM »
That's great, hopefully he feels your pain and gets you a turn ASAP.
Hopefully
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2019, 04:20:53 PM »
Still waiting...
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2019, 05:12:05 PM »
Light a fire or something!
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