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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #250 on: April 23, 2018, 10:31:53 PM »
While I had them out, I cleaned up, sanded, and painted the front shocks. Funny how clear coated stainless will rust like they did this past winter.

Cheap grade stainless will rust obviously
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #251 on: April 23, 2018, 10:36:28 PM »
How did you not have this much difficulty changing manifolds the first time Don?  Was it because of suspension parts being replaced?
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« Reply #252 on: April 23, 2018, 11:07:12 PM »
I like the new color grey, looks less green to me on the phone image. 




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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #253 on: April 24, 2018, 02:02:35 AM »
How did you not have this much difficulty changing manifolds the first time Don?  Was it because of suspension parts being replaced?

I was wondering the same. In fact I should be ordering a set of the PPE for mine tomorrow along with a turbo wheel.

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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #254 on: April 24, 2018, 09:00:39 AM »
How did you not have this much difficulty changing manifolds the first time Don?  Was it because of suspension parts being replaced?
I was thinking (wondering) the same thing

Then I realized, last time I removed FACTORY log manifolds, where one can actually see the bolts one has to remove

But then, I only installed the Pro-Fab manifolds. Installation is easier. You place the fastener onto the hex drive, fish until it finds a hole then turn it in until you're happy. Find it one more time for torqueing or final tightening, that's it!

I have an inbound on the manifolds, will arrive tomorrow. So today, I'll remove the H2O pump pending arrival of the new gaskets (Thanks Ken) then pull the rear shocks to get cleaned/painted, pull some wheels for painting, and maybe do some more turbo install prep work. I might even pull that pot-metal, rusty read diff cover Shawn sent me and paint it as well!

Then there are a few things like the relocation of a water line and blocking off of same, a pedestal and some small stuff like that which I can get prepped up.

But coincidentally I am taking this time to also do the spring recovery/summer prep work. I'll go over and touch up any rust spot on the frame/chassis I see. THen do a complete Chassis lube.

I degreased the front suspension area. A boot from an axle shaft had torn and centrifuged grease everywhere, then there was impacted mud. I got most of that out of there during the past couple days, so now I'll repaint and lay down a layer of parriffin wax and that will bring me up to spec.

I am treating this thing like an aircraft. I watched the mechs tear down the Chinooks frequently to hunt for corrosion after guys like me would land then in ocean swells (Unintentionally) in like sea state seven to try and pikd up seal teams bobbin' out there like a cork, 50 miles from shore. Ocean water and 160th Chinooks are well known to each other and at nearing $100 mil a plane, they require lotza care. That's because they intend to use them for a long time

I always chuckled at that. THese politicians buy these spec-ops aircraft thinking they are going to keep them flying for 20 years. Then a Commander comes on board who wants to leave command with no losses (aircraft or peeps). Then they assign a mission to a guy like me...And what do I do? Land then in salt water oceans, get 7.62mm holes poked in em, chop pine trees up with em, run em out of oil, but try and fly then 250 more miles, and other things like that.

But my C-Max is not like that.
I am not:
1. Driving into any deep lekes to pick up anyone
2. Intentionally drivin' into any gunfight
3. Intentionally driving into or over any tree bigger N' say 3"
4. trying to park on any hill sides on my back wheels only

Nope, none of that!

But

I still have to:

1. Drive near malls with deed, very deep mulch beds!
2. Drive in hippie infested traffic where everyone is in some small kolean kar and in a race to get somewhere
3. Drive in 1/2" snow covered with 3/4" of salt
4. Drive into gas stations where a bunch of mexicans are throwing trash out of their car that I just told to go back and pick up (Possible gun fight there)
5. Drive in this slippery morass they call mud to get to one of the prudiest places on earth to work until I pull a muscle.
6. Maintain some form of respectability when attendin' church or other civic places (So I don't get immediately as a hick)
...And other things like that, and for those reasons, the added corrosion prevention measures, N' kleanin'
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #255 on: April 24, 2018, 09:03:50 AM »
While I had them out, I cleaned up, sanded, and painted the front shocks. Funny how clear coated stainless will rust like they did this past winter.

Cheap grade stainless will rust obviously
Yea, concur

And isn't it something about how the manufacturers tout their using only the best of parts!

So, can we trust anything we hear to pan out as truth?????
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #256 on: April 24, 2018, 08:17:01 PM »
Rainy day, but I got a lot done anyway.

So with the gasket and O ring safely in the wife's possession and the exhaust manifolds set to arrive tomorrow, my goal was to finish up with the painting and cleaning and some other post winter cleanup ops.

So straight up, the front shocks dried nicely and turned out OK, I think.
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« Reply #257 on: April 24, 2018, 08:18:42 PM »
With all this talk of GLO and Shawn's diff covers, I decided to change my rear fluid. I think it got a change to Amsoil back around 40,000 miles ago. So off came that highly abused diff cover he made for me like 6-7 years ago!
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« Reply #258 on: April 24, 2018, 08:20:43 PM »
So, check out the condition of the thing after all these years and having backed into all sorts of stony things. The inside was like new. After wire wheeling the outside, it was corrosion free, practically new looking.
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« Reply #259 on: April 24, 2018, 08:23:23 PM »
So I decided to give it the paint treatment as well.

First step is an acid etching primer, just one light but wet coat.
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« Reply #260 on: April 24, 2018, 08:26:06 PM »
Which I chased with three coats of the International tractor gray paint from a rattle can.

When that dries I'll reinstall and refill with fresh 75W-90

And I have to say, that rear diff cover is definitely a "One and done" part for off roaders.
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« Reply #261 on: April 24, 2018, 08:27:37 PM »
Where I had used the purple degreaser to pull all the contaminants off the chassis, I repainted with Duplicolor semi flat black
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« Reply #262 on: April 24, 2018, 08:28:37 PM »
Next I pulled, cleaned, wire wheeled the rear shock bodys and coated them with the same gray paint

Those are the same 2.25" Dirt Logic shocks I installed in 2012

They are still operating very well with about 80,000 miles on them. Actually with these shocks, the larger front sway bar, the addition of the rear bar, and the rear airbags filled to 25psi, the darned truck corners pretty well.
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« Reply #263 on: April 24, 2018, 08:32:00 PM »
Then it was back to pulling wheels, degreasing same, then sanding first with 120 grit, then a second time with 240 grit, then three coats of the enamel
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« Reply #264 on: April 24, 2018, 08:34:55 PM »
The first one is back on
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« Reply #265 on: April 24, 2018, 08:36:37 PM »
Then the spare
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« Reply #266 on: April 24, 2018, 08:37:20 PM »
Then the other rear tire
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« Reply #267 on: April 24, 2018, 08:37:50 PM »
While I had them out, I cleaned up, sanded, and painted the front shocks. Funny how clear coated stainless will rust like they did this past winter.

Cheap grade stainless will rust obviously
Yea, concur

And isn't it something about how the manufacturers tout their using only the best of parts!

So, can we trust anything we hear to pan out as truth?????

Only if it comes from the new owner of greatlakeoffroad.com  :wink:
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« Reply #268 on: April 24, 2018, 08:39:22 PM »
And then I painted the remaining wheels, finishing that job. Then I painted the opposite suspension and chassis
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« Reply #269 on: April 24, 2018, 08:41:32 PM »
With almost all of the cleanup/painting completed, it was back on the turbo conversion

First I set up the pedestal with four new studs to get ready to accept the Fleece S362 blower
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« Reply #270 on: April 24, 2018, 08:43:05 PM »
Then I set up the oil supply fitting, properly orienting it toward the passenger side and the soon to be mounted new oil supply line
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« Reply #271 on: April 24, 2018, 08:45:08 PM »
And with that, I concluded an eight hour day and ran myself out of time. HEre is the mess as it sits...although seeming like a long ways from completion, it is, in the reassembly mode.
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« Reply #272 on: April 24, 2018, 08:47:38 PM »
While I had them out, I cleaned up, sanded, and painted the front shocks. Funny how clear coated stainless will rust like they did this past winter.

Cheap grade stainless will rust obviously
Yea, concur

And isn't it something about how the manufacturers tout their using only the best of parts!

So, can we trust anything we hear to pan out as truth?????

Only if it comes from the new owner of greatlakeoffroad.com  :wink:
You have definitely delivered on the good quality parts thing. Just look at that diff cover and how it is essentially unchanged from when you sent it to me in 2012! That part and especially belonging to me, still holding up, is a testimony in itself!
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #273 on: April 24, 2018, 09:04:12 PM »
Thankfully you didn’t choose to paint it green or orange......

It appears you used studs on that cover too? I believe the upgrade hardware kit is going to be a new option too. We have a great hardware supplier here locally (read patriot type guy) who wholesales and I want to use him as much as possible.
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« Reply #274 on: April 24, 2018, 11:54:28 PM »
Getting there, looks good.

I did order the PPE setup for mine today and a new turbo wheel. Think I have about $5k in parts to go on the LBZ so I need to get that thread going again!

I see many retailers are using that same tuner you listed above.
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« Reply #275 on: April 25, 2018, 09:21:10 AM »
Thankfully you didn’t choose to paint it green or orange......

It appears you used studs on that cover too? I believe the upgrade hardware kit is going to be a new option too. We have a great hardware supplier here locally (read patriot type guy) who wholesales and I want to use him as much as possible.
You don't remember, but when I first installed that cover, I asked you what was the best way, and you told me to use studs

So I purchased a piece of threaded rod and cut out a bunch of studs from it, and the rest is history...
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« Reply #276 on: April 25, 2018, 09:23:17 AM »
Getting there, looks good.

I did order the PPE setup for mine today and a new turbo wheel. Think I have about $5k in parts to go on the LBZ so I need to get that thread going again!

I see many retailers are using that same tuner you listed above.
Hey, JR

I'll put up that Diesel Ops link next couple days so you can order your parts through them so we can cash in at the site...if it isn't too late.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #277 on: April 25, 2018, 09:44:46 AM »
Thankfully you didn’t choose to paint it green or orange......

It appears you used studs on that cover too? I believe the upgrade hardware kit is going to be a new option too. We have a great hardware supplier here locally (read patriot type guy) who wholesales and I want to use him as much as possible.
You don't remember, but when I first installed that cover, I asked you what was the best way, and you told me to use studs

So I purchased a piece of threaded rod and cut out a bunch of studs from it, and the rest is history...

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« Reply #278 on: April 26, 2018, 12:56:52 AM »
Getting there, looks good.

I did order the PPE setup for mine today and a new turbo wheel. Think I have about $5k in parts to go on the LBZ so I need to get that thread going again!

I see many retailers are using that same tuner you listed above.
Hey, JR

I'll put up that Diesel Ops link next couple days so you can order your parts through them so we can cash in at the site...if it isn't too late.

Great. Maybe a little $$ for the sight and a better running truck for me. Only issue I see is all this is leading to a trans build,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #279 on: April 26, 2018, 05:13:07 AM »
From what I've read the LML trans is nothing like the old version of the Allison.  It's held some pretty hefty HP with just a TC change.
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« Reply #280 on: April 26, 2018, 08:41:10 AM »
From what I've read the LML trans is nothing like the old version of the Allison.  It's held some pretty hefty HP with just a TC change.
Correct.
Both Motor Ops and Diesel ops tell me they run trucks making 800 HP with a totally stock transmission, albeit with programming to increase line pressures.
One guy who I talked to in depth said he finally pulled the converter and changed it and ran the truck some more making something between 700-800HP. He finally couldn't stand it any longer, and pulled and did a whole transmission. They noted on teardown that some of the clutches were showing signs of excessive heat, BUT the trans did not die.

From LML forward is really a totally different animal. LMM and earlier, you mod and the trans will fail. LML and later it most likely will hold. I don't pull, race of act stupid. I'll bet my stock trans with a converter...I will add a triple clutch converter, but I'll bet my combo is viable in six more years.
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« Reply #281 on: April 26, 2018, 08:42:13 AM »
So, here is the GLO cover after the paint flowed out and hardened...Looks good!
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« Reply #282 on: April 26, 2018, 08:44:20 AM »
A bead of silicone and some fresh hardware and it was reinstalled along with a gallon of GL5

One thing shawn does is not add a fill plug at the normal height, but way up on top, to allow you the option of running more fluid. I have always run an extra quart since having this cover.
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« Reply #283 on: April 26, 2018, 08:45:29 AM »
Then back on with the rear shocks
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« Reply #284 on: April 26, 2018, 08:46:47 AM »
And here is the gasket Ken recommended. It too three days, but I finally got it, a felpro, well you can see the part number on the package hopefully, I forgot it!
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« Reply #285 on: April 26, 2018, 08:47:44 AM »
With that, I pulled the water pump off once again
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« Reply #286 on: April 26, 2018, 08:49:11 AM »
And even though the gasket seals with an O ring, I applied silicone to it as well

oh, and a new main O ring as well
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« Reply #287 on: April 26, 2018, 09:02:04 AM »
...And then, all the trouble started. It was one something when I started to install that pump.

It is a very difficult alignment one needs to achieve to get it to fit. I kept trying, then would take it out, examine it, then try again and so forth

I finally determined a casting flash on this high quality ACDelco was reducing clearance to nill, so I filed it down some but still I couldn't get it to fit.

You see, at the exact spot where the circumference of the body of the thing is set to engage, so are the two studs on the water neck. If you get one, the other may (will) be off and out of alignment.

Now you are doing all this from above in a very awkward position which makes holding the thing up against gravity and also seeing the stud alignment a very trick prospect.

So in out it went. I smashed my thumb and tore skin off a finger, blood spots everywhere to prove it, and then I remember the boys coming home. They get off the bus at 1525! So let's say it is now start plus 2.5 hours and I am no further ahead than the moment I started.

So I jammed it in there again, but this time I took one of the wife's compact mirrors and looked at what was going on. THere is this small stud at about the seven o'clock position which must also be engage at the same time of exact alignment and studs finding two holes on mr. floppy tube.

Getting this in alignment is the celestial equivalent of all the planets aligning at once with the sun, and throw in a couple of moons to boot.

But with that knowledge in hand I made my move and having grown another six fingered hand, I shoved that bad boy home and finally, finally got the pump in around 1600.
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« Reply #288 on: April 26, 2018, 09:10:44 AM »
Then it was on with the harmonic balancer and uber torque, and some other stuff including the new thermostats
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« Reply #289 on: April 26, 2018, 09:12:18 AM »
Then the brown truck arrived, so lets play new parts!

Yippee!

First the up pipes
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« Reply #290 on: April 26, 2018, 09:14:41 AM »
And now, the manifolds. 5/8" thick flanges and increasing interior cross-section make these some good breathing units.
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« Reply #291 on: April 26, 2018, 09:15:53 AM »
I coated everything with several coats of copper gasket maker, the high temp solution to happee exhaust systems
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« Reply #292 on: April 26, 2018, 09:17:58 AM »
According to Rick Lange, owner of Pro-Fab, reusing the old stainless steel gaskets he sells is fine, so I did

After cleaning and sanding them, I coated them with a lot of copper in preparation of the install
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« Reply #293 on: April 26, 2018, 09:19:40 AM »
I even sprayed some onto the exhaust ports as well.

Now getting the bolts to stay put on the socket long enough to make it into the hole and get a few turns required some ingenuity:
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« Reply #294 on: April 26, 2018, 09:21:04 AM »
I was really worn out after fighting with that water pump, os I attacked the passenger side manifold first, but was able to get it fully installed before quitting.
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« Reply #295 on: April 26, 2018, 09:22:21 AM »
Next I added a lot of horsepower, by applying some more decals to the radiator cover:
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« Reply #296 on: April 26, 2018, 09:22:58 AM »
And applied copper coating to the up-pipes
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« Reply #297 on: April 26, 2018, 09:24:04 AM »
Not sure what happened here, but some more reassembly certainly took place
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« Reply #298 on: April 26, 2018, 09:25:37 AM »
And that was that for day 7 of this very difficult and painful adventure!

(Although in the end I will be much better off than when I started)
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« Reply #299 on: April 26, 2018, 09:53:06 AM »
Has that thing been sitting halfway outside the garage like that the whole time, or have you been rolling it in and out everyday?
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