Post by: Flyin6 on June 21, 2022, 05:17:19 PM
What an easy process
Create an account, open it, then select a car
Click on order, click on if you want dual or single motor, and either a long range or a performance version.
Next select the color, decide if you want the $12,000 autonomous drive feature, chose a wall charging station and click "Order"
That's it, and it only comes in White, Charcoal at no charge, Vivid black for a slight upcharge, Pearl blue for $1000, and Pearl/candy red for $2000 upcharge.
Oh you get to choose a black (standard) or a white $1,000 surcharge interior as well.
You pay $250 at time of ordering.
Tesla will lease or finance, or you can show up with your own financing, or you can pay cash.
The down payment is $4,500 and I financed mine. I normally finance for a longer time frame then pay it off as quickly as I can. My car cost just over $65,000 including shipping, taxes, delivery, and doc fees.
Post by: Flyin6 on June 21, 2022, 05:23:29 PM
Next, I filled out the finance request and got approval in a few minutes.
I have a tentative delivery date from June to August. An email from Tesla a couple of minutes later said they would give me a closer delivery range once the VIN was assigned.
I'll use the time to configure the garage to accept the car with its charging requirements. The time of charging is fully customizable, so I'll schedule it to charge from midnight to around 0700, when electricity is most abundant and cheapest.
As of ordering + 1 hour, I am fully registered, have a confirmed order, approved financing, and am awaiting a delivery date.
Its a super smooth process!
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview
Post by: Bob Smith on June 21, 2022, 05:37:41 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on June 21, 2022, 06:09:51 PM
And you make Biden a happy man.Really don't care much about him, but it sure makes me happy!
Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 21, 2022, 08:45:43 PM
Jk. I’m sure you will enjoy it
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Post by: stlaser on June 21, 2022, 09:21:59 PM
We have a dealership in Louisville, Co or did. It may have went up in Marshall Fire……
I won’t buy one, for a long time. From a manufacturing standpoint too many quality issues. Then there’s that tent he builds them in which just bothers me in general. Then what do you do when it breaks?
It’s not that I’m altogether against ev’s, it’s just that I’d rather buy from another manufacturer who’s been building cars a lot longer and has the service centers to fix them.
My 2 cents for now, take it for what it’s worth.
I’m sure you’ll like it and it will be great. :likebutton:
Post by: KensAuto on June 21, 2022, 10:09:29 PM
And you make Biden a happy man.Biden doesn't like Musk.
Therefore, I do.
I would drive one if I wanted a car. Not because I even remotely think they help the planet, but because they haul butt (and like the technology).
Cool purchase Boss!
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Post by: Bob Smith on June 21, 2022, 11:24:14 PM
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 22, 2022, 12:23:34 AM
https://youtube.com/shorts/E8depLnZFgY?feature=share
This thing is stupid fast. Sub 3 seconds 0-60
Build quality is still not there yet but they have a cult following.
I’d own one as a second vehicle for running around town but not as a primary vehicle.
Congrats Chief. Long way from the Dually you were eyeballing.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2022, 02:12:05 PM
Guy that works for me bought this. Model X Plaid.I'm shifting up life
https://youtube.com/shorts/E8depLnZFgY?feature=share
This thing is stupid fast. Sub 3 seconds 0-60
Build quality is still not there yet but they have a cult following.
I’d own one as a second vehicle for running around town but not as a primary vehicle.
Congrats Chief. Long way from the Dually you were eyeballing.
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Changed a bunch of things
Probably will remain in my castle and just cabin up the farm
Decided not to go into anysort of business that commits me to gov't regulation so the D-max is good enough
Was looking at gas cars, but the maintenance is just plain dumb. Gas cars are not reliable, and from what I see, the Tesla is (reliable)
I am talking to Duane and another retired pilot about putting in a fuel plant at the farm. Free fuel esentially. So free diesel and we each have 3500 trucks, so there's that.
Time in all these projects: I have been skipping out on just living because of never-ending projects. I just turned 68...thinking of spending more time doing stuff and less time fixing stuff.
So The Tesla was the first step in a life-reconfigure I am undertaking
Cool thing: Kiddo returns from Europe in Aug, I think. So I am planning to take a EV ride down to Ft. Stewart Georgia to visit. under 600 miles and two "Fuel" stops. I will be able to drive down there for what $20 or so??
Nice
Post by: Bob Smith on June 22, 2022, 03:06:49 PM
I am very interested in how the costs and downtime recharging batteries work out in the long timeframe.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 22, 2022, 03:21:47 PM
Know before you go
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Post by: KensAuto on June 22, 2022, 10:11:52 PM
They sell those at the local nursery?
If so, grab me a couple!
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Post by: stlaser on June 23, 2022, 12:13:13 AM
Don’t get me wrong I’ll have the shop here for at least five more years but I plan to spend more time at the new location out of state (once I get one bought) versus here in hippyland as things progress.
Post by: Flyin6 on June 25, 2022, 11:38:09 AM
Don, nice that you are able to get into a new EV. Would be nice to be able to travel 600 miles for twenty bucks or so and only having to make two stops to recharge batteries.I am watching Duane carefully. So far the cost of driving his car is almost nothing. They have a rule: ABC which stands for "Always be charging."
I am very interested in how the costs and downtime recharging batteries work out in the long timeframe.
He plugs his car in at home and it charges from midnight till 7 AM. But it doesn't do that very often. It doesn't use much juice just sitting there. So far, he just gets in it and drives. Sometimes a hundred miles away, then comes back. It's as if it never needs anything. The cost of electricity at night bottoms out so the amount he is paying is very very low. Using that charging plan, you could take a 300-mile trip for just a few bucks.
Traveling at day and charging up at supercharging stations will cost a bunch more, but I don't see where the cost will even be a third of a gas car and really only maybe 20% according to the numbers I see. We drove around the other day, then hit a supercharge station topping from 240 miles up to around 290 for $1.35. So 40-50 miles for $1.35.
This is all just raw data, and charging will likely not always be cheap, but what about the rest of it?
No oil filter
No oil
No CEL
no brake pads
no pesky engine problems
no transmission flare shifting
no trans fluid changes
The resale value that is incredible. You can actually make money on the car after 6 months due to skyrocketing demand and increasing sticker price.
Duane purchased in March for $56ishK. I just purchased the exact same car in a different color for $63ishK. He could sell his car for every bit of $63 K in one day around here and realize a $7K profit.
This is just too smart to walk away from
Post by: Flyin6 on June 25, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping.ampI don't believe this based purely on the numbers
Know before you go
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OK, 4 days = 96 hours
The man travelled 2000 miles
He did not just drive 2000 miles on a freeway, especially considering where he did it and all the slow traffic/traffic jams and urban driving he must have done.
He drove 70mph on highways, and 35 around town. He spent some time at traffic lights and he spent some time in stop and go driving. So let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he averaged, say 45 mph split between stopped and exceeding 70 mph
So 2000/45= 44.4 hours just spent driving
That leaves roughly 51.5 hours remaining
So did the man just drive and sleep? Or did he take a meal, and check in a hotel, and watch some TV and the occasional shower?
Of course he did.
I'll say one hour per meal per day =12 hours.
51.5 - 12 = 39.5 hours remaining
Then the man had to check in a room, shower and the like, say 2.5 hours per day for evening/morning, or 10 hours
39.5 - 10 = 29.5
So he said he spent more time charging than he did sleeping, so
29.5/2= 14.75 hours
So we'll say he spent 14.8 hours charging and 14.6 hours sleeping.
I'm already having trouble with this. Really, 14.6 hours sleeping on at least three nights? So he is operating on 4.9 hours of sleep a night? And then he just suddenly wakes up and is ready to drive another 500+ miles?
This story falls apart right there for me, but, wait, there's more
That means he spent the 14.8 hours charging.
Tesla supercharging stations charge 200 miles in 15 minutes. So all 2000 miles would take 150 minutes or less than three hours
Nossir, that story is Bull and simply not true!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2022, 02:08:24 PM
Your Model 3 build details
Model 3 Performance Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive
Deep Blue Metallic Paint
Performance Upgrade
20’’ Überturbine Wheels
All Black Premium Interior
Autopilot
Estimated Delivery: August 12 - September 16
Delivery timing will update based on configuration availability. We will reach out to schedule your delivery when your VIN is assigned.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 26, 2022, 03:17:25 PM
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2022, 08:04:58 PM
Should see your car about the time I see my truckdunno, hope you get yours sooner!
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Duane tells me, they told him the same thing, then when they issued a VIN, things sped up considerably. He got his two weeks earlier than the date they give you.
My infantry warrior gets back home in August, so I hope I get it in time to go see him. I'll drive down to Ft Stewart as soon as he gets home.
Post by: stlaser on July 05, 2022, 10:37:01 AM
For the record this is Ken’s fault. He sent this to me and asked I post it here. Something about how he was worried of getting unbanned then banned again or something. I think there was an H reference in there somewhere too. Maybe how they didn’t make one that could haul her capacity around yet? :tongue:
Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2022, 11:37:23 AM
https://www.facebook.com/janette.asaropena/videos/1222928655135782/?fs=e&s=clI think, after seeing that, Ken is in a lot of trouble!
For the record this is Ken’s fault. He sent this to me and asked I post it here. Something about how he was worried of getting unbanned then banned again or something. I think there was an H reference in there somewhere too. Maybe how they didn’t make one that could haul her capacity around yet? :tongue:
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 05, 2022, 01:44:48 PM
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2022, 03:06:48 PM
Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boysWho do ya think?
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A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?
Post by: stlaser on July 05, 2022, 07:47:32 PM
Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boysWho do ya think?
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A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?
From a sole numbers perspective I think I’m at a tad disadvantage unless someone else is named Shawn on here…… :huh:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2022, 09:45:32 PM
We do have another Shawn, or sorta spells his name somewhat like yours.Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boysWho do ya think?
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A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?
From a sole numbers perspective I think I’m at a tad disadvantage unless someone else is named Shawn on here…… :huh:
But
After seeing that obvious propaganda meant to raise my blood pressure, and knowing he is a wise man, I'm betting he is distancing himself from you about now...
Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2022, 09:48:28 PM
If any of U's want to save em, speak now or let him burn!
Post by: stlaser on July 05, 2022, 09:49:41 PM
After seeing that obvious propaganda meant to raise my blood pressure, and knowing he is a wise man, I'm betting he is distancing himself from you about now...Ouch! Shots fired! Nice knowing you boysWho do ya think?
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A. Shawn
B. Shawn
C. Ken
D Both of them rascals
E. Let em ride but keep a close watch on em?
From a sole numbers perspective I think I’m at a tad disadvantage unless someone else is named Shawn on here…… :huh:
Facts, I think you meant to says facts. Propaganda is things that I use to raise Ken’s blood pressure….
Post by: stlaser on July 05, 2022, 09:51:51 PM
In the event no one votes to save em, My decision is (I've been watching old episodes of Hells Kitchen and Chef Ramsey), I think I'll fire the S rascal from the hippy state. After all, who likes anyone from Colorado?
If any of U's want to save em, speak now or let him burn!
Technically I’m “from” Indiana, Colorado is just a momentary stop on my way to a final chunk of ground in a much further north state soon.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 05, 2022, 10:03:26 PM
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Post by: stlaser on July 05, 2022, 10:10:46 PM
Seems like a legitimate concern from the video, I know lots of the gas/electric stations around here in Utah are garbage bagged.
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Careful Dave, you’re treading on thin ice. Mainly because of your name Dave but a close second is agreeing with me or maybe not so much me but the truth of the matter. Furthermore, the lack of an available electric recharging system or infrastructure is only a concern for non retirees. You see had you been paying attention those long lines at charging stations are a great time to catch up on some much needed beauty sleep of our older brethren. Frankly, I have a hard time arguing that point…..
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 05, 2022, 11:43:11 PM
I hadn’t looked at it like that, I’m getting better at sleeping in the driver seat the older I get.Seems like a legitimate concern from the video, I know lots of the gas/electric stations around here in Utah are garbage bagged.
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Careful Dave, you’re treading on thin ice. Mainly because of your name Dave but a close second is agreeing with me or maybe not so much me but the truth of the matter. Furthermore, the lack of an available electric recharging system or infrastructure is only a concern for non retirees. You see had you been paying attention those long lines at charging stations are a great time to catch up on some much needed beauty sleep of our older brethren. Frankly, I have a hard time arguing that point…..
Next fuel station I go to I’ll look
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Post by: JR on July 06, 2022, 02:11:49 AM
Anyway, your delivery date is the same for my building now.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2022, 09:49:41 AM
To review the numba 1 rule here: Never, and I mean never call out Don! Never point out anything you believe he may have done wrong...Never. Don't say anything but nice things about his work, and certainly, you should agree with all his opinions
So, that was easy
Now back to the offendin' rascal...Shawn
I think I ought to fire him for a period of time that I will think about and determine in the future sometime, provided I don't forget about this matter...
I should also fire the Dave. He sorta agreed with the Shawn, so that's good enough for me. I think I'll fire the other dave as well. Mostly because of his name, but he was trying to mix numbers and letters. Somehow, that can't be right...
JR and Ken and Tex are off the hook.
Now that we have fewer members, let's continue the conversation
Utah Dave has mentioned seeing bagged EV charging terminals. That is significant. I'd be interested if they were malfunctioning, not hooked up, not complete yet, or something else. From my very limited experience, I have never seen the local Tesla supercharging station full. It has a bunch of units that will charge one car pretty fast or split the charge and then charge two vehicles not quite as fast. I have learned a thing or two about charging etiquette. People do not park next to a car which is already charging if there is a unit available which has both it's charging ports available.
The Tesla net that you are automatically plugged into when you purchase one of their cars actually reports how many charging units are available in the supercharging stations along your route. I am assuming that means, "working/operational units and not ones that are bagged. I mean think about it. What would it look like if the car navigated you to a refuel location that was dead? That would make the news and look something like that vid Shawn, err, Ken wanted to be posted here.
I thought about that vid some. Suppose there is a supercharge station in location X. The station supports the local population of Tesla owners. Now suppose that location suddenly gets a tsunami of Tesla cars showing up, say on Thanksgiving??
Thinking about it. most rural locals will have a supercharging station not too terribly far away, but because of the nature of blue-collar and farmer's incomes, not a lot of the folks living their own $100K EVs. But a lot of their sons and daughters after graduating college went on to Denver, Houston, Chicago, and New York. But come the holidays, those wealthier siblings make the trip home, and in their new Tesla EV. After all, they would want to 1. Travel nearly for free, and 2. Show off their newfound success...Make sense?
Well, that is a perfect recipe to set up the situation we see in the vid...100 cars waiting on 20 charging stations. I doubt that is a common occurrence, but I sure would like to know the truth of the matter.
So, tell ya what I'll do. I'll start up another thread. I'll call it EV charging experience" or something like that. What I'll do is take a pic...probably from the actual camera in the nose of my Tesla that shows what I see when I drive into a supercharging station. I'll just post it objectively and let the truth tell the story.
But I will seldom see a supercharging station. Charging at home and having a 300-mile range every morning, I doubt I will need to "top-off" very often when out.
Oh, and someone remind me sometime to decide how long the offending boneheads get banned for... ;-)
Post by: cj7ox on July 06, 2022, 12:24:25 PM
THIS JUST IN: DON, AKA "BIG D", WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE ANY DISSENT, DISAGREEMENT, OR CONTRARY DISCUSSIONS ON TOPICS HE HAS DEEMED HIMSELF TO BE EXPERT. (Which for the purposes of this forum, shall include everything)ALL WHO DO SO ARE TO RELEGATED TO THE FIRES OF ETERNAL DISGRACE, BANNED FROM ALL FURTHER DISCUSSION OF ANY TOPIC WHATSOEVER, AND REMOVED FROM HIS AUGUST PRESENCE! YE HAVE BEEN WARNED! TOPICS IN WHICH HE IS ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE INCLUDE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE WISDOM OF PURCHASING A TESLA WHEN CHARGING STATION AVAILABILITY MAY BE SUSPECT. (Especially that)
Fixed it for ya^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ;-)
BTW, I stand with Shawn (even though he spells his name wrong :wink:). I'm glad I remembered the scrolling feature. It's fun, and I haven't used it in a while! LOL
Packing now in preparation of my imminent dismissal from this site for an undislosed amount of time....
Post by: JR on July 06, 2022, 12:35:50 PM
I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2022, 12:59:07 PM
Doesn't SC station take like 1 hour. That would handle 20+ cars a day, but you got to fight for a spot. I have stations all over the place here, and most have several chargers.JR is former law enforcement. He offers wise counsel. I concur, those dissenters are fired for 90 seconds and that includes the Colonel who couldn't just quietly stay in his corner... ;-)
I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.
No, SC is much faster. You get like 200 miles in about 21 minutes. But that was the "Old" battery data. Second quarter and newer Model 3's and I think the Plaid cars are getting a newer battery that can be charged to 100% every time. Older batteries would be charged to 80%-85% to preserve their life. New batteries are supposed to be good for 18-20 years and can take a 100% charge every time. They also do not lose capacity over time like the old chemistry. My car and Duane's have the new batteries. His car charged from 250 ish miles to full in just minutes when I did my supercharging station training with him.
From a goggle search:
40 minutes
A Supercharger can charge a battery from 0% to 80% in about 40 minutes. After 80% charge is reached, the charging rate slows in order to protect the battery’s health until 100% charge is reached. You won’t need your Tesla’s battery to be at 100% to get to most destinations.
Note: 80% = 266 miles
Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2022, 01:01:24 PM
Post by: Bob Smith on July 06, 2022, 02:06:07 PM
Well, I see this thread has fallen apart and into some FB-style discussion thread just like everything else around here! :-(
Such a shame!!
Post by: Sammconn on July 06, 2022, 04:43:30 PM
Doesn't SC station take like 1 hour. That would handle 20+ cars a day, but you got to fight for a spot. I have stations all over the place here, and most have several chargers.JR is former law enforcement. He offers wise counsel. I concur, those dissenters are fired for 90 seconds and that includes the Colonel who couldn't just quietly stay in his corner... ;-)
I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.
No, SC is much faster. You get like 200 miles in about 21 minutes. But that was the "Old" battery data. Second quarter and newer Model 3's and I think the Plaid cars are getting a newer battery that can be charged to 100% every time. Older batteries would be charged to 80%-85% to preserve their life. New batteries are supposed to be good for 18-20 years and can take a 100% charge every time. They also do not lose capacity over time like the old chemistry. My car and Duane's have the new batteries. His car charged from 250 ish miles to full in just minutes when I did my supercharging station training with him.
From a goggle search:
40 minutes
A Supercharger can charge a battery from 0% to 80% in about 40 minutes. After 80% charge is reached, the charging rate slows in order to protect the battery’s health until 100% charge is reached. You won’t need your Tesla’s battery to be at 100% to get to most destinations.
Note: 80% = 266 miles
Betcha can't get me home in a Tesla...not in one day, and maybe not in two.
And I'd hate to see what 200 miles of crushed rock does to the bottom...
Oh, and let's say it's mid January, and a balmy -35 or so.
I can't figure how many kW's of heat will play into winter ops.
Post by: cj7ox on July 06, 2022, 04:45:47 PM
THIS JUST IN: DON, AKA "BIG D", HAS DECREED THAT ALL LIEUTENANT COLONELS WITH NAMES THAT RHYME WITH YAWN SHOULD BE SEEN (SOMETIMES), AND NOT HEARD (ALWAYS). SUCH INDIVIDUALS ARE HEARBY ORDERED TO STICK THEIR NOSE IN THE SOUTH-WESTERN CORNER OF THE ROOM AND CONTEMPLATE THEIR INFRACTIONS INTO THE GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE OF THIS MOST AUGUST GATHERING OF GENTLEMEN. THE BIG D HAS SPOKEN!
:evil:
Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2022, 05:55:23 PM
But I am a gentleman (sometimes)
so: CM
Post by: JR on July 06, 2022, 05:56:38 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2022, 06:01:11 PM
Couple of thingsDoesn't SC station take like 1 hour. That would handle 20+ cars a day, but you got to fight for a spot. I have stations all over the place here, and most have several chargers.JR is former law enforcement. He offers wise counsel. I concur, those dissenters are fired for 90 seconds and that includes the Colonel who couldn't just quietly stay in his corner... ;-)
I would fire those dissenters for at least 90 seconds, show em who's boss.
No, SC is much faster. You get like 200 miles in about 21 minutes. But that was the "Old" battery data. Second quarter and newer Model 3's and I think the Plaid cars are getting a newer battery that can be charged to 100% every time. Older batteries would be charged to 80%-85% to preserve their life. New batteries are supposed to be good for 18-20 years and can take a 100% charge every time. They also do not lose capacity over time like the old chemistry. My car and Duane's have the new batteries. His car charged from 250 ish miles to full in just minutes when I did my supercharging station training with him.
From a goggle search:
40 minutes
A Supercharger can charge a battery from 0% to 80% in about 40 minutes. After 80% charge is reached, the charging rate slows in order to protect the battery’s health until 100% charge is reached. You won’t need your Tesla’s battery to be at 100% to get to most destinations.
Note: 80% = 266 miles
Betcha can't get me home in a Tesla...not in one day, and maybe not in two.
And I'd hate to see what 200 miles of crushed rock does to the bottom...
Oh, and let's say it's mid January, and a balmy -35 or so.
I can't figure how many kW's of heat will play into winter ops.
Cold temps really mess with the batteries. At super low temps I seriously doubt you would see much range at all, and pre heating of the batteries would be mandatory
Now as for the belly pan, you're good there. To positively ensure the batteries (which are mounted to the underside of the car) never see any water...Lithium-Ion batteries + H2O = Boom!
Anyway, the actual belly pan is made of titanium!!!!! Yes, the same stuff used to armor up the cockpit of an A10 making it resistant to everything up to 23mm. Now not that thick but will not fail under any and all of the crash tests the DOT people test cars with.
I've seen accident results where that pan is creased but never punctured. A Telsa car is better protected than your average 4x4 truck or SUV!
Post by: JR on July 06, 2022, 06:04:15 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2022, 06:07:29 PM
Also checked on the cost. Runs about .30 a min for a 50kw charging station. That will charge 200 miles in less than 20 min, so figure a 30-40 min stop if I've driven way down to less than 20% battery remaining. Another thing I discovered. There is a latent charge. Beginning five minutes after full charge, you get charged a fee for parking there and taking up space. That's kind of cool. So, I'll time things out to arrive needing like 45 min of charge and hit a restaurant...see if I can work it out to be back before I peave off the locals.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2022, 06:09:03 PM
Kept in a garage it might be OK in that. When in use they generate their own heat, much less need cooling when hot or charging.Yes they do. The Tesla system actually pumps Glycol all around the 4,500+ batteries to keep them all the same temp. Then circulates it throughout those high-tech electric motors
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 06, 2022, 09:05:27 PM
Zoom in and you seen the footprints of the Tesla charge stations
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 06, 2022, 09:11:06 PM
Can’t let ma boys go down on their own….
Don has the Birkenstocks a Tesla and now all he needs is a cross body man purse….
Peace out brothers, nice knowing you….
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 06, 2022, 11:43:28 PM
I have a confession to make chief. It was I that goaded Shawn into posting that video after he sent it to me.OH !!!!! NOOO!!!!!!
Can’t let ma boys go down on their own….
Don has the Birkenstocks a Tesla and now all he needs is a cross body man purse….
Peace out brothers, nice knowing you….
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Redneck mic drop lol
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Post by: Bob Smith on July 07, 2022, 12:16:51 AM
Post by: cj7ox on July 07, 2022, 01:48:01 PM
I have a confession to make chief. It was I that goaded Shawn into posting that video after he sent it to me.
Can’t let ma boys go down on their own….
Don has the Birkenstocks a Tesla and now all he needs is a cross body man purse….
Peace out brothers, nice knowing you….
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ROFLMAO!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2022, 04:04:23 PM
I have a confession to make chief. It was I that goaded Shawn into posting that video after he sent it to me.Ya, you're history!
Can’t let ma boys go down on their own….
Don has the Birkenstocks a Tesla and now all he needs is a cross body man purse….
Peace out brothers, nice knowing you….
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2022, 04:04:47 PM
Ditto!!!You're fired too!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2022, 04:08:42 PM
Note the cost of fuel in the picture for a time frame they have been bagged.I looked that one up. Not listed as a charging station by Tesla. Not completed or operational yet???
Zoom in and you seen the footprints of the Tesla charge stations
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Number has now grown to 35,000 charging stations worldwide for the T cars. Tens of thousands of regular charging stations. I am wondering if we have reached or surpassed 100,000 stations available??
Regular stations will likely form the long lones due to the much slower charging times vs the super fast Tesla supercharger stations.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2022, 04:09:59 PM
I think the site is in trouble.
Maybe it was nice knowin' all of ya's... :-(
Post by: JR on July 07, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2022, 04:19:41 PM
Wait, "ME TOO" !!!!!!!!OK, you can be fired too
Who does that leave?
Me, Sam, and some guy from Georgia, right?
Post by: Atkinsmatt on July 07, 2022, 04:24:21 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2022, 05:03:06 PM
Seems like it.Yea, you. So the new RMTWS organization is like four people Matt...You wanna lead?
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 07, 2022, 08:58:29 PM
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Post by: oklawall on July 07, 2022, 09:17:04 PM
You can fire me if you want to. Wouldn't matter much have been on very much lately
Post by: dave945 on July 07, 2022, 09:25:57 PM
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Post by: stlaser on July 07, 2022, 09:55:33 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/journalists-tow-camper-behind-electric-truck-end-stunning-failure-make-85-miles/
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Hilarious, in my stomping grounds no less….
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 07, 2022, 10:05:41 PM
I would love to have seen it on the side of the highway, you don’t even have a hood to pop and look under.https://www.westernjournal.com/journalists-tow-camper-behind-electric-truck-end-stunning-failure-make-85-miles/
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Hilarious, in my stomping grounds no less….
Ya just turn your flashers on and call a tow truck, hope the flashers don’t die off when the battery dies
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Post by: JR on July 07, 2022, 10:35:23 PM
Or do you stand there with lightning bolt sign??
I really think until you get a 500mi range and can swap battery packs, it's a no go.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 08, 2022, 07:25:30 AM
If you really want to geek out I’ve been listening to a podcast “The Science of Energy” a 24 part series by a college PhD lecturer about all the different forms of energy and a very scientific view of what makes sense both today and as technology improves in the future
I’m not done but he appears to be Leaning towards a mix of energy tech that is heavily solar but supplemented based on regional differences and current technology limitations with other forms of energy including fossil and nuke.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 08, 2022, 12:50:59 PM
I found it interesting about the "Sellout" viewpoint. Duane talked about it too. He purchased the Tesla and someone in his family called him a liberal and a sellout to Joe Biden! Duane, a sellout and a liberal? He lost his eye while serving his nation. He served in combat, and he is ultra-patriotic today...But people can be pretty shallow, not caring to consider the depth of a person, as they demonstrated with him.
Not defending, just stating: He and I are successful late middle-agers. We both wanted to drive a Tesla. We both admire Elon and all he is doing and both of us want to be a part of his revolution. We both like nice luxury cars and for me at least, I haven't owned a car for decades and need one to drive into the city and make appointments without searching for a parking space a mile away because of the size of my truck.
He still drives his Ram 3500 the most, and I will probably split time between the EV and the truck because my lifestyle demands a practical vehicle, which the EV is not. What an EV is aside from a novelty is a gadget that costs almost nothing to operate. It costs a bunch to purchase but for those who have money, it's not that big of a deal. And the resale is so strong, I am wondering if I will lose much if anything when I get my next Tesla 4-5 years from now.
Towing with an EV is pretty stupid. The range depends on the demand, just like with a gas engine. Stomp on the throttle to get those 3 sec 0-60 head rushes all the time and you probably won't get one-third of that big fat 330-mile range. But what fool who just ponied up $70K for an EV wouldn't already know that. Now, that same F150 can run errands all day long, hauling plywood to that house you're remodeling for very little if you just use and charge it at home...But we see no numbers about that. Charging on cheap electricity you should be able to drive on something like .15 cents per mile, not the calculated .38 cents that are charged on pay for/peak demand/peak price charger. That article was purposely designed to paint one picture: The electric truck is a failure to tow. But what if the owner only needed to tow 25 miles to a campground for the weekend? What then? Then he could have completed the trip for just a couple of bucks, returning home and charging at 1 AM and getting the cheapest energy prices.
And on that point. Can you buy gas a $2.29 at 1 AM because it's cheaper and rises to cost $5.01 at 9 Am? Nope, you can't. EVs have their lane. If you are smart enough to own and operate one where they take the greatest advantage of the cheapest energy costs, then you can win day in and day out. Let the fools paint any picture they want, they just don't have the ears to hear, nor the mind to grasp what is happening
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 08, 2022, 01:12:40 PM
I think Don just called us all stupid for running oil burners.1. I didn't
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2. ^^^ THat's funny
Post by: JR on July 08, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 08, 2022, 01:51:51 PM
The power of the sun hitting the earth can generate on average 240w of energy per sq meter. (That assumes a doubling of panel efficiency in the next 10 years)
A piece of land that is half the size of NM would supply the entire energy needs of the US.
Bio mass and Ethanol wind and most other sources of energy don’t come close to that efficiency of energy production.
For example ethanol only nets 1.3 watts per sq meter when water fertilizer and and farming energy costs are taken into consideration.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2022, 03:19:08 PM
After driving the Tesla Model S: This is the first car in history that can accelerate faster than it can brake!
Second quote:
This car accelerates from zero to 100 faster than a Mercedes S-class...After that S-class has been dropped from an airplane...And that is fact!
Post by: JR on July 09, 2022, 03:57:27 PM
Solar is great, storage is the issue and eff of the panels come next. That will get better, but someone will want to control it.
Post by: stlaser on July 09, 2022, 07:22:02 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2022, 08:37:22 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/white-house-says-tesla-supercharger-network-allow-other-evsThat's both interesting and unwelcome news.
Not sure how that is all going to work
It's more complicated than you might imagine.
You need the Tesla smart app on your phone, and that phone needs to be near the cable for it to mechanically unlock and then provide power. I'll bet you'd have to subscribe to Tesla, pay some access fee and purchase some sort of adapter.
And isn't the Tesla superchargers high-powered DC current??? Not AC power like everyone else uses? I'm fuzzy on that, and you may want to check me, but the Tesla technology is a world apart from Ford/Chevy/Nissan, and the rest. I think, only Lucid is using the Tesla-based technology.
So my guess is that given the average intelligence of the Prius and Chevy Bolt owners, we aren't likely to have a lot of competition.
And there's the fact that Tesla supercharger stations are opening all the time. We now have three in Cincinnati with a ton of what is called "Destination chargers. That's like garages, restaurants, and hotels that will have dedicated Tesla chargers to pick up some juice while you carve up your ribeye.
Post by: stlaser on July 09, 2022, 08:45:59 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/white-house-says-tesla-supercharger-network-allow-other-evsThat's both interesting and unwelcome news.
Not sure how that is all going to work
It's more complicated than you might imagine.
You need the Tesla smart app on your phone, and that phone needs to be near the cable for it to mechanically unlock and then provide power. I'll bet you'd have to subscribe to Tesla, pay some access fee and purchase some sort of adapter.
And isn't the Tesla superchargers high-powered DC current??? Not AC power like everyone else uses? I'm fuzzy on that, and you may want to check me, but the Tesla technology is a world apart from Ford/Chevy/Nissan, and the rest. I think, only Lucid is using the Tesla-based technology.
So my guess is that given the average intelligence of the Prius and Chevy Bolt owners, we aren't likely to have a lot of competition.
And there's the fact that Tesla supercharger stations are opening all the time. We now have three in Cincinnati with a ton of what is called "Destination chargers. That's like garages, restaurants, and hotels that will have dedicated Tesla chargers to pick up some juice while you carve up your ribeye.
Well, I agree on one thing……
The average intelligence of a Chevy owner! :knucklehead:
Post by: JR on July 09, 2022, 09:56:14 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2022, 10:41:12 PM
Just watching all you do, where you go.I'm the evening entertainment, hugh?
;-))
Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2022, 10:42:11 PM
Is this a fireable offense? Just wonderin'https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/white-house-says-tesla-supercharger-network-allow-other-evsThat's both interesting and unwelcome news.
Not sure how that is all going to work
It's more complicated than you might imagine.
You need the Tesla smart app on your phone, and that phone needs to be near the cable for it to mechanically unlock and then provide power. I'll bet you'd have to subscribe to Tesla, pay some access fee and purchase some sort of adapter.
And isn't the Tesla superchargers high-powered DC current??? Not AC power like everyone else uses? I'm fuzzy on that, and you may want to check me, but the Tesla technology is a world apart from Ford/Chevy/Nissan, and the rest. I think, only Lucid is using the Tesla-based technology.
So my guess is that given the average intelligence of the Prius and Chevy Bolt owners, we aren't likely to have a lot of competition.
And there's the fact that Tesla supercharger stations are opening all the time. We now have three in Cincinnati with a ton of what is called "Destination chargers. That's like garages, restaurants, and hotels that will have dedicated Tesla chargers to pick up some juice while you carve up your ribeye.
Well, I agree on one thing……
The average intelligence of a Chevy owner! :knucklehead:
Post by: stlaser on July 09, 2022, 10:48:17 PM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 09, 2022, 11:56:18 PM
Hard to fight facts lolIs this a fireable offense? Just wonderin'https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/white-house-says-tesla-supercharger-network-allow-other-evsThat's both interesting and unwelcome news.
Not sure how that is all going to work
It's more complicated than you might imagine.
You need the Tesla smart app on your phone, and that phone needs to be near the cable for it to mechanically unlock and then provide power. I'll bet you'd have to subscribe to Tesla, pay some access fee and purchase some sort of adapter.
And isn't the Tesla superchargers high-powered DC current??? Not AC power like everyone else uses? I'm fuzzy on that, and you may want to check me, but the Tesla technology is a world apart from Ford/Chevy/Nissan, and the rest. I think, only Lucid is using the Tesla-based technology.
So my guess is that given the average intelligence of the Prius and Chevy Bolt owners, we aren't likely to have a lot of competition.
And there's the fact that Tesla supercharger stations are opening all the time. We now have three in Cincinnati with a ton of what is called "Destination chargers. That's like garages, restaurants, and hotels that will have dedicated Tesla chargers to pick up some juice while you carve up your ribeye.
Well, I agree on one thing……
The average intelligence of a Chevy owner! :knucklehead:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2022, 11:19:04 AM
Pretty sure I as permanently fired several hundred offenses ago and it’s hard to demote the guy at the bottom! :tongue:We'll find a way!
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 10, 2022, 12:47:44 PM
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2022, 01:11:01 PM
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRYsn7dP/?k=1That's close to where my son lives...Darn, will make it hard on me to drive my model 3 there to visit!
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 10, 2022, 01:55:54 PM
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2022, 02:00:45 PM
More interesting was the owner isn’t being paid for the charge stations. Wonder how that agreement works outDunno, but he was acting appropriately. Elon Musk does not strike me as a sleazy businessman. He may have some bad apples in management, but I doubt it is policy or procedure anywhere in any of his companies to shortchange vendors.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 12, 2022, 07:52:25 PM
I met a guy who bought one of the early Tesla vehicles and I believe he said back then you could select an option that gave you free charging for life. Wonder if that’s true and if so I bet that thing paid for itself
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Post by: KensAuto on July 12, 2022, 11:31:51 PM
Glad to see you're still a bad influence on Don's checking account.
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Post by: KensAuto on July 13, 2022, 09:33:13 AM
Black bagged as of this amIt's cold in Utah.
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They're warming blankets.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2022, 11:01:56 AM
Something's up there
Haven't even heard of anything like that here in the Kentucky area of operations
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 13, 2022, 11:04:58 AM
So this is now three charging stations in Utah?This is the gas station I took the google image from, I fueled this Am here and verified my previous statement is all. I’ll look at another spot on my way out of Logan this evening.
Something's up there
Haven't even heard of anything like that here in the Kentucky area of operations
Just verifying was all
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2022, 11:19:04 AM
Copy that. Appreciate the informationSo this is now three charging stations in Utah?This is the gas station I took the google image from, I fueled this Am here and verified my previous statement is all. I’ll look at another spot on my way out of Logan this evening.
Something's up there
Haven't even heard of anything like that here in the Kentucky area of operations
Just verifying was all
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So, Duane and I talked to Tesla yesterday about the type of batteries in our cars. Learned I (the internet) had it backward. The lithium Iron Phosphate LFP batteries are not installed in the Performance version of the Model 3, only in the standard and long range. The more spendy and slightly higher voltage (like 360VDC) Lithium-Ion batteries are installed in the performance car.
Not related to this discussion, I know, but we did call. I believe I am going to contact them reference these bagged supercharging stations. I think it's relevant to the owners' experience. I do not believe this is a national phenomenon, but a local one, however, if it happens there, then where else?
Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2022, 11:37:05 AM
He wants it to power his camper, especially at locations where they have quiet hours where gen use is restricted.
I saw it from a slightly different perspective.
Thinking about taking that long-distance trip in my coming Tesla car, I noticed the distance between some supercharger stations is stretching it a bit. Although well within the range of the car, range is really dependent on "Load." I have a refueling station in London, KY, down neat Tennessee, and the next all the way over at Ashville, N.C. So I have to ask myself the question, is the range calculated based on a single-occupant vehicle on level ground? So what if I place another adult or even two in the car? And what if I drive that loaded car up over mountain grades that have you going uphill at an 8% grade for miles? Certainly, the load for the straight-line distance would have been greater, right?
Therefore, I think that stretching the refuel stops becomes worrisome and that anxiety, wondering if you're gonna make it or not is going to take all the "Nice drive" component out of the trip. EV owners need a spare gas can alternative to ensure we don't get stranded.
Enter the ECO-FLOW battery/generator. It is not too big, or heavy and can provide 3.5KW of stored energy. So if you're not making it because you decided to tow a boat up mount Everest, then at Base camp 1, you can pull over, plug into the battery in your trunk, and proceed happily to the supercharger at the upper ice fields.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2022, 11:42:48 AM
At $3199, it's gonna hurt, but with Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries, it will be around for a good 20 years. It could even power your house, or tie in with an add-on 3.6KW battery to power your home for a while.
https://www.amazon.com/EF-ECOFLOW-Portable-Expandable-Generator/dp/B09MVJP7MV/ref=pd_ybh_a_sccl_1/144-6481293-9489503?pd_rd_w=JjP5t&content-id=amzn1.sym.8e5a2e6a-2480-42b2-b29b-9d31f472f1fb&pf_rd_p=8e5a2e6a-2480-42b2-b29b-9d31f472f1fb&pf_rd_r=APTB27Z1N380JVJBXVSB&pd_rd_wg=c9jgr&pd_rd_r=209be512-285a-4354-8438-b700ac0e2d6c&pd_rd_i=B09MVJP7MV&th=1
Post by: JR on July 13, 2022, 02:25:37 PM
Ecoflow seems to get great reviews but I could swallow the $$. I have a 7500 watt inverter and 200ah setup in my cont for about the same price.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 13, 2022, 10:02:44 PM
Redundancy is good. Two is one and one is none.
CM
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on July 13, 2022, 10:26:40 PM
Post by: Dustoff35 on July 14, 2022, 07:20:00 AM
We also do a lot of off-grid camping/hunting in remote areas where a gas station is 40+ miles away on rough forest service roads. If I deploy solar panels with the power station, I believe I can stay powered up indefinitely.
I will also use this at my home as a backup in case of a power outage.
It will be used as a “construction generator” as we build a new home in Wyoming.
It will be used as a component of the Wyoming house’s grid-tied solar system.
It will be used as a “gas can” for the Tesla if needed for that purpose.
I have a trip to Wyoming coming up soon and will be boone-docking for several weeks or more. We’ll see how that turns out.
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Post by: stlaser on July 14, 2022, 09:46:29 AM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 14, 2022, 11:20:59 AM
Don you have probably already figured this out but there is a really strong Tesla community and I bet there is a forum to separate the myth from reality.I'm connecting slowly. It seems those well-established are on their second-third car and totally immersed. They don't hesitate to do anything with their cars.
Redundancy is good. Two is one and one is none.
CM
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Strange local phenomena, possibly nationwide: Used late model Teslas are selling for more than they cost when retailed to the original owner. Yesterday, there was a model 3 for $69K. I don't even think it was a performance version. Mine cost me $63K new...!!!
Post by: JR on July 14, 2022, 11:39:02 AM
Post by: Dustoff35 on July 14, 2022, 02:12:17 PM
Duane, nice to see you posting. Keep us updated on the eco flow I’ve been looking at them. A YouTube couple I follow on a remote property recently added one.Will do. Which “Homesteading” YouTubers deployed an Ecoflow system?
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Post by: stlaser on July 14, 2022, 03:10:36 PM
Duane, nice to see you posting. Keep us updated on the eco flow I’ve been looking at them. A YouTube couple I follow on a remote property recently added one.Will do. Which “Homesteading” YouTubers deployed an Ecoflow system?
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Ambition Strikes in northern ID, they used to run a 4x shop in Cali. They’re fairly humble, admit when they don’t know something and are constantly learning.
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Post by: KensAuto on July 14, 2022, 09:22:40 PM
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Post by: stlaser on July 14, 2022, 09:28:43 PM
They the ones that recently got a D8?
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Yes, lol
Post by: JR on July 14, 2022, 09:43:40 PM
Hate to see what they are really spending on solar. Looks like a lot of stuff.
Post by: stlaser on July 14, 2022, 10:22:44 PM
Yeah, almost big enough, but they still couldn't get a cement truck up the road.
Hate to see what they are really spending on solar. Looks like a lot of stuff.
Pretty sure they’re getting it at max cost as I think they’re sponsored by the equipment manufacturers.
Post by: JR on July 15, 2022, 12:34:56 AM
I want the LMTV!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 21, 2022, 08:14:24 PM
Tesla backed up my delivery date window. Now 12 Sep-8 Oct
No sign of a vin
I hear reports of chip shortages
I also heard rumor of this big backlog of cars, over 400,000 might not get delivered until 2023.
Unhappee face...
Post by: Flyin6 on July 21, 2022, 08:37:36 PM
I just looked at an ad for a used (just delivered) model 3 long range which was like $58K when the original owner ordered it. The thing is for sale for $69,000
Last week the same thing happened. A lower spec Model 3 was delivered and apparently immediately put up for sale for $69K, a $12K premium.
Think about this for a minute. You can order a Tesla car, wait months and months to get it, then sell it the same day for a $10 grand profit.
I don't even have to think about this one...I think I'm gonna keep a Tesla on order indefinitely. If I can be the poor guy who is constantly waiting, but I make 10K with every delivery...That takes me buying six cars before the next one is free.
I'm thinking of a plan. Perhaps it's time my wife orders her new model 3...
Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2022, 02:49:12 PM
Estimated Delivery: August 20 - September 17
Delivery timing will update based on configuration availability. We will reach out to schedule your delivery when your VIN is assigned.
That's a positive move!
Post by: JR on July 27, 2022, 03:45:10 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2022, 07:55:40 PM
Sounds like my building, but costs more and they tell you up front.So you good? Back home?
Post by: JR on July 27, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2022, 05:37:49 PM
Yes, just got out of the shower.Answered prayer
Post by: Flyin6 on August 05, 2022, 09:48:42 AM
Estimated Delivery: August 18 - August 31
Delivery timing will update based on configuration availability. We will reach out to schedule your delivery when your VIN is assigned.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 06, 2022, 11:21:00 PM
I got my first message on Friday. They do not text on weekends. so, if the pattern works out like his, I should be getting my VIN on Monday or Tuesday. If that happens chances are good, I'll be driving my car next week.
To prepare for its arrival, I purchased the 50-amp adapter for the factory charging cable.
I also ordered the factory HD floor mats and some factory glass top sunscreens. They cut the sun by 64%. I am no big fan of sunroofs, but model 3's only comes with a full glass roof.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 06, 2022, 11:45:43 PM
The Model S performance, the Plaid is now using the new Model 3 electric motors. Model 3 is leading the fleet with a new and more efficient neodymium magnet electric motor. For some reason, they are rating the motors at 500 hp. I'm not sure if that is per motor or both in concert?? Anyway, it's pretty high-tech stuff. I think I read where the armature doesn't touch much as it remains suspended in a strong electromagnetic field.
I know the plaid has additional cooling glycol being pumped around the motor, but I think the motor is the same as mine and Duane's. So that motor in the Model S is rated at something like 1000 hp and propels that car down the 1/4 mile in 9.2 seconds. The model S is a larger and heavier car than my model 3. 100 lbs is worth a tenth. I think the model S is 200-300 pounds heavier. so that's 2-3 tenths. I can't help but think if the motors in my car were allowed to perform at the same level it does in the model S, a Model 3 performance might just become a factory 8-second in the quarter mile. Wouldn't that make it the fastest production car in the world or right next to it? Dunno, does anything out there run an 8.99 in factory stock configuration? Do any superbikes? F-22, F-18, anything?
Post by: JR on August 06, 2022, 11:49:49 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on August 07, 2022, 11:25:53 AM
Quick yes, but the 22 and 18 are just getting going there. Still cool.But think of it...This already produced seemingly insignificant and somewhat mundane-looking semi-sports car could just be the quickest thing mankind has ever produced...
I'm waiting for someone to come out with tunes for these things. Nothing short of a full-on drag car is going to be able to touch them and they will still get north of (a relative) 150 or more miles per gallon (When comparing supercharging costs vs the current cost of gas)
Post by: Flyin6 on August 09, 2022, 09:39:23 PM
The delivery date slid to the 23rd of August, but notice now the window is only a week
and
I HAVE A VIN NUMBER!
our Model 3
RN117418187
VIN 5YJ3E1E*******153
View Design Details
Estimated Delivery: August 23 - August 27
We will reach out to schedule your delivery soon
Post by: Flyin6 on August 11, 2022, 12:17:17 PM
And
I just got a text from Tesla which says my car just departed the factory in California and in enroute...look for upcoming texts to schedule a delivery date.
The earlier website update on my account stated a 23-27 delivery date. Enroute time from Cali to Cincinnati, I am guessing is 7-10 days, so that checks out and likely, I may be picking it up a little early
The floor mats came in. Ordered from Tesla, but the box is marked "Weather tech."
Still awaiting my 50 amp adapter plug and the roof shades
Contemplating purchasing a Tesla charging wall mount unit priced at $400
Post by: JR on August 11, 2022, 12:46:24 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on August 11, 2022, 07:56:30 PM
Must be on one of the cars trains going buy here, massive.It was JR!
Message from Tesla today. It was shipped from Freemont today via rail. Destination: Chicago. From there it will be trucked or drag raced to Cincinnati
I am financing this one. Not flushed with enough cash to outright purchase it. That will come next time ;-)
Turns out most banks will not finance a Tesla. Something about the system of having no dealerships and having to deal directly with the manufacturer that they can't comprehend. Luckily, USAA does and they jumped on it. They do a valuation of the car prior to releasing funds. They gave me a value for my car of $88,000!
What the heck!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2022, 05:01:04 PM
Which
I
Did!!!!
Delivery Appointment
Aug 22, 2022 at 11:00 AM
Cincinnati
9111 Blue Ash Road
Blue Ash, OH 45242
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 13, 2022, 06:31:51 PM
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2022, 06:49:05 PM
Stop in at Blue Ash Chili while you are there..Tex,
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I'm sorry...but chili around here?
These people do not know how to do chili
Brown sugar and cinnamon and they puree the meat!
Funny story: When I was flying out of Kandahar for those few years, in the building where I lived in the hallway someone built some shelves. If you didn't want something you'd just put it there for everyone else.
One Christmas someone sent me a case of Gold Star chili, you know to remind me of home and all that.
I tried to eat a single can, but even that was bad. I put it out in the hallway. No kidding, months later, could even be a year, it was still there!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2022, 09:00:28 PM
Yeah it’s not texas chili but I went there a few times when I used to visit an office we had in blue ash.How bout I crash Jeff Ruby's on the way back with the frau?
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2022, 09:17:12 AM
Would Love to go with you. They are so cool. I was wearing multicam shorts and a noveske t shirt and hadn’t planned on going so they accommodated me in the downstairs bar when I went through there on my way to pick up my RVThat's one of the reasons we love to go there as a family
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THe dressing up part.
Arrive, then have the car vale'd off, then the kind reception
Next the whole dining experience while wearing a jacket and tie with the boys dressed up. It may cost a small mortgage payment, but who can put a price on the memories?
So while on the subject of fine dining in Cincy, I recommend the following:
Seasons 52 Features chef-prepared seafood to steaks, never had a miss there, medium expensive
The Precinct This is the Jeff Ruby restaurant where it all started. An old cincy police station. Steaks, expensive.
The Chart House Fine dining centered around a seafood menu sitting and perched over the Ohio river in Newport, KY
McCormick and Schmicks Fine dining in the center if downtown. Chef prepared seafood, my favorite, expensive
Grandview Tavern Located in Ft. Mitchel KY, very nice area, traditional country cuisine, specialty: Fried chicken, medium expensive
Walts Hitching Post Fort Wright, KY, generations of ribs. Best in the area. Reasonably priced
Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
I discovered that most banks are not interested in working with Tesla, but Wells Fargo has a tesla dedicated financing arm. If you fill out the online app while ordering the car, you will be applying to Wells Fargo. I use USAA for everything, member now for 42 years. I now enjoy cash back (And a lot of it!) twice annually as they are more of a Co-op and we the people own them. Created by retired Army officers, for military officers, USAA has always been the go-to place for mil families.
As it turns out USAA had procedures for dealing with Tesla purchases so that, too was seamless. Most things go on behind the scenes and you never really feel the impact.
The delivery appointment is scheduled for 15 minutes. They ask that you arrive promptly. The briefing tells me I will sign some paperwork, and then have my phone app updated and be handed two credit card-looking vehicle keys. With that complete, I just go find my car in the parking lot, no further contact with Tesla is required.
I'll report on that after the fact.
We continue to learn more and more from owners. A man Kat met a couple of days ago says he drives 60 miles per day, to/from work, and charges at night. His power provider, Duke Energy does not have evening pricing. He pays $68 a month in additional electrical fees to use his car. ($68 per month!!!). He said they drive it all over the country, mostly because it is such a comfortable car to take long distances. He said his recent trip from the tuck to Denver and back cost him $350 in supercharger fees. He said he never had to wait, and it took him a bit over 20 minutes at each stop. He said, he is sold and never going back.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2022, 01:19:13 PM
If you had a car or truck which got 20 mpg, you would have to purchase 190 gallons
At $5 a gallon that would have cost $950
So operating this car in a long trip mode where you are paying the highest price for electric charging you would save $600 or close to a third the cost of driving a gas car
Then consider you are looking at a $50-$70 oil change within two thousand miles after and the savings really start to mount up. So we can comfortably say that you can drive a Tesla car on a long trip for about a forth the cost of operating an ICE vehicle.
And that is using very expensive supercharging, commercial charging.
The same man pays $68 a month, by charging at home and drives about 60 miles a day just work related for 23 days. He obviously drives more than just to/from work and probably drives some on weekends, but just using the work miles, we have 1380 miles for a cost of $68
The gasser getting 20mpg uses 69 gallons of gas
69 gallons @ $5/gal = $345
Now, the Tesla is really starting to stretch its legs with an operating cost of only 19.7% of the gasser (Not including fluid changes and gasser servicing)
80% less
And I might point out that the power company in my example here is not the same as mine. My power company does indeed have cheaper rates after midnight until 0600, so I will be able to operate at something less that the example above.
Post by: dave945 on August 14, 2022, 01:32:07 PM
Would Love to go with you. They are so cool. I was wearing multicam shorts and a noveske t shirt and hadn’t planned on going so they accommodated me in the downstairs bar when I went through there on my way to pick up my RVThat's one of the reasons we love to go there as a family
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THe dressing up part.
Arrive, then have the car vale'd off, then the kind reception
Next the whole dining experience while wearing a jacket and tie with the boys dressed up. It may cost a small mortgage payment, but who can put a price on the memories?
So while on the subject of fine dining in Cincy, I recommend the following:
Seasons 52 Features chef-prepared seafood to steaks, never had a miss there, medium expensive
The Precinct This is the Jeff Ruby restaurant where it all started. An old cincy police station. Steaks, expensive.
The Chart House Fine dining centered around a seafood menu sitting and perched over the Ohio river in Newport, KY
McCormick and Schmicks Fine dining in the center if downtown. Chef prepared seafood, my favorite, expensive
Grandview Tavern Located in Ft. Mitchel KY, very nice area, traditional country cuisine, specialty: Fried chicken, medium expensive
Walts Hitching Post Fort Wright, KY, generations of ribs. Best in the area. Reasonably priced
Going to use this as my go to list for taking my wife out for nice dinners.
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Post by: JR on August 14, 2022, 01:50:02 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2022, 02:49:08 PM
Suggestion: Call me a week or so before. Depending on what you/she may enjoy, that list is nowhere near as complete as I can offer verbally.Would Love to go with you. They are so cool. I was wearing multicam shorts and a noveske t shirt and hadn’t planned on going so they accommodated me in the downstairs bar when I went through there on my way to pick up my RVThat's one of the reasons we love to go there as a family
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THe dressing up part.
Arrive, then have the car vale'd off, then the kind reception
Next the whole dining experience while wearing a jacket and tie with the boys dressed up. It may cost a small mortgage payment, but who can put a price on the memories?
So while on the subject of fine dining in Cincy, I recommend the following:
Seasons 52 Features chef-prepared seafood to steaks, never had a miss there, medium expensive
The Precinct This is the Jeff Ruby restaurant where it all started. An old cincy police station. Steaks, expensive.
The Chart House Fine dining centered around a seafood menu sitting and perched over the Ohio river in Newport, KY
McCormick and Schmicks Fine dining in the center if downtown. Chef prepared seafood, my favorite, expensive
Grandview Tavern Located in Ft. Mitchel KY, very nice area, traditional country cuisine, specialty: Fried chicken, medium expensive
Walts Hitching Post Fort Wright, KY, generations of ribs. Best in the area. Reasonably priced
Going to use this as my go to list for taking my wife out for nice dinners.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2022, 02:56:30 PM
I have to check out USAA, my insurance is getting to be almost $500 a month. Father was career Marine, mom still had her ID when she passed. Says military, spouses and children, we will see.There is a "window" to qualify, then things get tricky. If your dad was a USAA member, then you're golden. If not, well...Perhaps I could adopt you as my long-lost son and you could qualify that way
I have a 2022 Caddy and a 2022 Tesla on full coverage, and an 18-year-old with an Infinity G35, liability and comprehensive, and then my burb and Chevy 2500 all for around $400 a month. And I get a Christmas check for $500-$1000 and another check in Feb for $1,700 (last year). You won't get that, but the USAA plan puts money (Their corporate profits) into the member's savings accounts. Mine is over $25K currently and the company additionally pays dividends. For most people, they pay a Christmas dividend around the 10th of Dec, but for long-term members, they pay a longevity dividend which increases handsomely every year. I think the model is set up to actually pay all the costs of insurance on your 50th year of membership. I've been there 42 years.
Post by: JR on August 14, 2022, 03:19:52 PM
Post by: wyorunner on August 14, 2022, 03:41:26 PM
Just confirmed that comment above. Trip length of 3,800 miles at a cost of $350 of supercharger station recharges.I think the big kicker on Tesla ownership is initial cost, especially in todays continual increasing inflation world. A 72k car on 7 years at 2% (which doesn’t exist I don’t believe) is 920 a month. So the real cost is right at 1000 a month with electricity.
If you had a car or truck which got 20 mpg, you would have to purchase 190 gallons
At $5 a gallon that would have cost $950
So operating this car in a long trip mode where you are paying the highest price for electric charging you would save $600 or close to a third the cost of driving a gas car
Then consider you are looking at a $50-$70 oil change within two thousand miles after and the savings really start to mount up. So we can comfortably say that you can drive a Tesla car on a long trip for about a forth the cost of operating an ICE vehicle.
And that is using very expensive supercharging, commercial charging.
The same man pays $68 a month, by charging at home and drives about 60 miles a day just work related for 23 days. He obviously drives more than just to/from work and probably drives some on weekends, but just using the work miles, we have 1380 miles for a cost of $68
The gasser getting 20mpg uses 69 gallons of gas
69 gallons @ $5/gal = $345
Now, the Tesla is really starting to stretch its legs with an operating cost of only 19.7% of the gasser (Not including fluid changes and gasser servicing)
80% less
And I might point out that the power company in my example here is not the same as mine. My power company does indeed have cheaper rates after midnight until 0600, so I will be able to operate at something less that the example above.
You can get a Toyota Camry loaded for 40ish get 25mpg or so, at which point your cost is reasonable monthly. Which makes me think ICE is still more cost effective for most. It sure does suck having to pay 4.50-5$ a gal for foreign gas though.
All that to say, I am simply waiting for the cyber truck to come out
At which point we will consider ownership. And will drive our 74 dodge and 17 tacoMa until then most likely, maybe sell tacoMa for a duramax, we’ll see.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2022, 06:11:36 PM
But
Big gov is always going to put the screws to oil and cause anything but falling or stable prices. With a choice between vehicles, one being ICE and the other electric, I think you remain in the safe zone while hedging the current cheaper electricity prices. In all fairness, I would note a recent annual cost increase of electricity of 15%
That's huge and if we end up with another democratic regime overthrowing the will of Americans a mandatory closure of coal plants will cause rolling brownouts along with ever-increasing energy costs.
Duane is in the beginning stages of building a complete energy-independent power scheme. He plans to buy more of those "power generators which are lithium battery packs charged by the sun. He has four panels and one 3600-watt battery. He wants to see if another 3600 and two additional 2000-watt batteries can charge up enough to power enough of his home and toss a few hundred miles into the T-car.
If you look at the whole financial picture, right now I'd say owning a good electric car makes bank. Duane purchased his model 3 for $56K. Used ones around here are now fetching 71K min, and upwards of 79K. So, you could save a crap ton in gas by not buying any for a few years, then sell the car for a solid $10K over your costs of purchase. If you look at that and your Camry example, where you wouldn't get half of that $40K investment, the T-car starts to really look like a smart call
Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2022, 08:31:47 AM
It is so far ahead of almost every other car on earth it isn't funny. I heard two scientists/engineers say that somehow Tesla seems to have redefined physics with the motor. That motor I just found out is the same in model 3 and the plaid. Only the control panel mechanism is different. Therefore, it is just a matter of time before there are a bunch of 8.8-second Model 3's running around! Someone's gunna crack the code on the programming.
And this new motor is so advanced that this engineering firm which bought a Tesla and is reverse engineering it is selling parts of it to BMW, Toyota, and others. Somehow Tesla has managed to convert almost all of the negative/wasted energy (Heat) back into electricity which is then stored in the battery pack (again.)
There is some breakthrough stuff on the horizon with this company. Just look at the range differences between that new supercar that goes 350+ MPH and my Model 3 which can travel 315 miles, has a top speed of 162 and a quarter mile in the 11.50's. That new car has a range of 620 miles!!!!!!!!
Nothing on earth can do that...Nothing. It was rumored that Elon has a new super battery, but is withholding it for now...
Another thing is how fast that company evolves the design. How long has the Model 3 been around? Was it 2017? 2018? Well it was a bunch of aluminum panels all bonded together when first conceived. The second design, which was all secret btw, was never announced as a major redesign, introduced the car having the entire back half as a single casting!!! An aluminum casting! But he was not done. about 18 months later the front end also became a one-piece aluminum casting. The car chassis is actually only three pieces!
The motors have been redesigned three times as well. Remember the thing that had 450HP? Well, there was some modification, and it was then 472hp. Then something else and it was 495hp. I saw an early 2022 car placed on the dyno and it was putting down 522 to the wheel. In Camaro language that would be around 700 crank HP! And the car just got this ultra-Ailen-designed new motor... If it is the same one they are putting in their supercar, it can make 10,000 NM of torque...That's 7,375 ft-lbs. That's no joke but I'm pretty sure the actual output is held far short of the theoretical or measured maximum. That could briskly move a semi, not a 4,300 car.
I also discovered the motor controller is shipped with an explosive charge factory installed!!!!! It turns out that if the thing fails to respond to attempts to shut it down, a program running in the background will fire an explosive charge which separates the heavy copper bus cables permanently interrupting the power supply.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2022, 08:51:54 AM
I discovered that a transmission can multiply torque by three times or more.
So if an engine is capable of 300 ft/lbs of torque, we could see 900 ft/lbs at the transmission output.
Then there's the differential. There are no 1:1 ratios so there is multiplication going on there.
A 4.10 is a bit more than a 4:1 multiplication, so our 900 ft-lbs. can be turned into 3,600 ft-lbs. felt at the axle flange...sound right so far?
So a sports car making 3,600 in low gear with its 4.10 rear axle can run high 13-second quarter mile times, I can begin to understand why the Tesla is so much faster.
First of all, it makes double the amount of power...DOUBLE
Next, it has no driveline losses. Not much of a transmission, just three physical gears that reduce its 18,000 rpm down to something usable and that is also where a lot of that torque is coming from.
But that is one of the huge differences right there...It is always in first gear.
An ICE makes peak torque somewhere around 66% of maximum engine speed, but an electric motor makes all of its torque at 1 rpm or at 18,000 or anywhere in between.
That's the second reason why the Tesla car is so fast. when cruising at 60mph when you step on the pedal, you get 7,375-newton meters applied to a car which, surprisingly, is not all that heavy. Taking off from 60 feels like someone just hit you in the rear bumper doing 10mph. It's instant.
No ICE is ever going to be able to compete with this new spark-powered stuff. It's just not physically possible.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 18, 2022, 09:08:45 AM
Saw these ads running this week for this guy lobbying against the self driving sofware. Always going to be haters.
How many humans run over kids?
One problem with electric cars is their connectivity and the lack of privacy. If I want to jump in my old truck without my phone I can get off the radar. Or I can drop my phone in a faraday bag. Car not so much.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2022, 12:20:43 PM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qx8z/tesla-fans-mad-over-video-of-tesla-mowing-down-toddler-mannequin-in-full-self-driving-modeKinda like the "X" planes.
Saw these ads running this week for this guy lobbying against the self driving sofware. Always going to be haters.
How many humans run over kids?
One problem with electric cars is their connectivity and the lack of privacy. If I want to jump in my old truck without my phone I can get off the radar. Or I can drop my phone in a faraday bag. Car not so much.
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Someone's gotta be first
And being first is usually fraught with issues
I like what the 2-2 SAS uses for their motto:
"Who dares, wins"
Tesla for the win
But I like privacy too.
Oh, and you don't necessarily need your phone. One of the credit card/keys can operate the car too.
Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2022, 02:04:21 PM
The more I learn about the car and the company the more I am blown away by this innovation.
I was reading this morning about the new battery (which I will not have which will increase the range of a model 3 to well over 400 miles per charge.
I have been focusing on longevity this morning and this is what I have been finding:
Drive unit: Not sure about the other models, but model 3 has recently completed a million-mile test loop. It was torn down and found to have no significant wear! It was reassembled and will be reinstalled to see what, if any are the actual limits.
Tesla is putting out that their drive unit is good for a million miles or more. Their batteries are good for 1,500 cycles which roughly equates to 500,000 miles before it reaches the minimum threshold of still maintaining 70% capacity. Those were actual design criteria and theoretical when the things were created. But now with over a million Tesla cars on the road, there is a mountain of actual data. And the result of that data is striking. The actual lifespan of the battery seems to be much greater than the prediction. One example after 150,000 miles had only lost around 10% capacity but the rate of loss was on the front end and had seemed to level off. It was pointing to a 750K mile point to where the battery was down to a 240-mile range. Incidentally, if you buy a BMW, the car along with most of the rest does not even have a 240-mile range to start with
One engineer I was listening to summed up the introduction and explosive growth of Tesla by saying, "Copy Tesla or die!" Pretty profound, but likely the truth. Tesla is now becoming the largest car manufacturer on earth and there are four more giga-factories coming online. If GM/ford and the rest don't pick up the pace they are going to become displays at the Smithsonian Museum of natural history.
There is a vast wealth of untapped performance built-in Tesla cars. The motors and systems are limited by software. For example, my model 3 has a top speed of 162mph. Why 162? Is it all the motors will produce? Well, the model 3 motor, which is also used in the Plaid Model S is limited to 18,000 RPM. But in the Plaid it is allowed to spin to 24,000 Rpm.
But then this just happened. Tesla just released a carbon ceramic brake package for my Model 3 performance. The rumor is, have those installed and the factory will move your top speed up to 200mph!
There is so much to see here...
Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2022, 05:13:41 PM
I decided I will start a new thread with the pickup and delivery pics of the car, then document my experience with the thing over time.
Post by: stlaser on September 19, 2022, 03:04:52 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on September 19, 2022, 04:39:33 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tesla-hiking-supercharger-prices-significantly-across-europeGood FYI
But that's europe.
THey had $5+ gas when we were at $2
Europe is mostly socialist, and mostly stupid
Saying the increasing supercharger prices are beginning to narrow the gap between gas cars and Teslas is true... I mean you were paying $700 a month for your car in gas and the Tesla owner was paying $50. Now the Tesla owner will pay $75...See what I mean.
Finally, the US is a much different circumstance. I can see the socialists are trying to catch us up with Europeans who all pay way too much for everything, but we are just a different circumstance. Kind of like a bunch of big/dangerous hard-to-move bulls. Gunna take some time and effort to make huge sweeping changes to us I think. Europeans are not fighters, except for the Muslims in France. Most people just keep choking on the bottle from a very oppressive guberment from what I've experienced living there.
Post by: JR on September 19, 2022, 04:52:19 PM
Post by: Bob Smith on October 07, 2022, 02:33:07 PM
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Post by: wyorunner on October 07, 2022, 09:20:33 PM
This is the understanding normal thinking individuals have, the aoc types, can’t comprehend these facts. Doesn’t eliminate the fact they are still nice vehicles
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we didn’t personally buy one because it’s “green” because that would be lying to myself, and I don’t like doing that!
Post by: Bob Smith on October 08, 2022, 11:05:25 AM
Post by: Flyin6 on October 08, 2022, 11:38:19 AM
Persuasive
A one-sided argument (persuasive) essay is one in which the writer attempts to persuade the audience to agree with their thesis. It usually includes counter-arguments (the opposing views) which the writer refutes in order to make his/her arguments stronger. How is it different from a two-sided argument essay?
Although I find myself in the middle of this argument, regarding the above statement about how polluting it is to manufacture a lithium car battery, to look at the total picture, and in all fairness, we would have to look at both sides of the argument.
First of all, electric cars are here and are coming on in a big way. The amount of lithium is finite so there will be a finite number of lithium batteries available to power them. Someone somewhere is going to build all the lithium batteries they can and shove them into cars. Now we can limit ourselves from being the country that uses this new technology. Should that happen, someone else will simply fill the void. I suspect that void would be happily filled by the Chinese and the Europeans. So, if electric cars are going to be built, why shouldn't we enjoy their use, why shouldn't the factories be built in the US and why shouldn't everyday Americans be employed in this massively expanding industry?
Second point: Lithium car batteries are now old technology. a new battery made from iron is coming in instead. It is just a matter of time before everyone else catches up with Tesla in implementing it.
The comment in the lead essay would seem to suggest the EV is the sole evil perpetrator of all this environmental poisoning. I would suggest, however, that far more lithium batteries get shoved into electric battery packs of drills, saws, Nailers, weed trimmers, and every other conceivable tool. So, then shouldn't everyone reading this article which seems to point to electric car owners as some scourge on the planet, be equally at blame? Is there anyone reading this who doesn't own a battery-powered tool?
Next, Lithium car batteries are recyclable. It's technologically possible but not economically feasible. That was at least until we started building over a million EVs a year. Soon, as lithium deposits dry up or become more costly, the harvesting of the material from old batteries will come back into focus.
Next, let's look at all those horrible emissions numbers. In the essay, we see all the bad news. But what about the other side? A tesla car is built to go about one million miles. So let's just say it goes half that, 500,000 miles. Comparing it to the usual car/truck getting 20MPG, the Tesla saves 25,000 gallons of gas. Gas which is then available for other efficient cars and lawnmowers and things like that.
Did you know that a gallon of gas weighs 6.3 pounds? Of that 6.3 pounds, 5.5 is carbon! 5.5 pounds times 25,000 gallons means every Tesla living just half its life will pump 137,500 fewer pounds of carbon out the tailpipe! (There isn't a tailpipe!) And it gets better. You see that 6.3 pounds of liquid have to combine with a whole lot of air to actually burn. Normally 13 parts air to one part of gas. Therefore, for every gallon of gas, we burn 19 pounds of CO and CO2 goes out the tailpipe and into the air! So, our half-life Tesla would save 475,000 pounds of CO and CO2 over its gas counterpart.
It may just be me, but it seems overwhelmingly in favor of a well-designed EV. It will save you money operating it daily. It brings highly paid jobs to America. It pollutes far, far less than petroleum ICE engines and is about 100% recyclable. Add to that the fact that Lithium will soon be overshadowed by new iron phosphate batteries and well, I'll just let the facts speak for themselves
Post by: JR on October 08, 2022, 11:38:39 AM
I still think EV is cool, but the batteries are still the issue.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 08, 2022, 02:07:13 PM
Capitalism will prevail even after the subsidies are gone. Oil has subsidies too BTW
I still believe the hydrogen fuel cell will eventually take over and that will be a game changer
And there is a Li recycling plant in OH and the technology for more efficient process is evolving quickly.
What bothers me the self righteous attitude of many EV owners when the facts aren’t on their side.
Call me when you have enough solar on your house to be off the grid while charging your EV.
I did look seriously at the Y. Just would like to be able to tow 7k across country and that won’t do it.
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Post by: JR on October 08, 2022, 02:12:44 PM
Post by: Flyin6 on October 08, 2022, 07:36:57 PM
This topic is like religion or politics. So polarizing for many.Yea, copy all that.
Capitalism will prevail even after the subsidies are gone. Oil has subsidies too BTW
I still believe the hydrogen fuel cell will eventually take over and that will be a game changer
And there is a Li recycling plant in OH and the technology for more efficient process is evolving quickly.
What bothers me the self righteous attitude of many EV owners when the facts aren’t on their side.
Call me when you have enough solar on your house to be off the grid while charging your EV.
I did look seriously at the Y. Just would like to be able to tow 7k across country and that won’t do it.
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Like Turner and Duane, I for one did not buy the Tesla to be or go green. In my area, Coal runs the power plants that generate the voltage I shove into the car, and I am 100% good with that. Coal is and should remain a principal means to generate electricity. The whole idea of a billion electric cars saving the planet from greenhouse emissions is so wrong it makes me ill. China generates electricity with coal. While we have a referendum on more coal plants, China has plans to build about 700 more, I think. And that is just China. What about India? think they give a hoot about poisoning the atmosphere? No chance. So those billion new electric cars, most of which will be Chinese and of poor manufacture, will be the very reason all those new coal plants pump billions of more tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
I can't do anything about any of that, and I guess I really don't care. I purchased my Tesla because I really like the car. I like driving an 11-second grocery-getter that costs me $30 a month to operate. I just like the car and how it drives and looks.
Post by: JR on October 08, 2022, 07:57:32 PM
Heck the new green trend is shutting down Natual gas plants and home use. Look at all the all electric only homes being
Nuclear is still the cheapest way to go but greenies hate that.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 08, 2022, 09:22:02 PM
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Post by: wyorunner on October 09, 2022, 01:16:39 AM
There is a college level course lecture on audible. The Science of Energy from the Great Courses. It’s a 18 hour course but we’ll worth it to be really well informed about energy of all kindsI will have to find this.
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Also, I agree that if the hydrogen fuel cell is allowed to be pushed into main stream, it will be the best. But for now, I’ll use coal and natural gas to get a large amount of angry pixies to spin the wheels