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Title: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Anyone ready to get back into building this cool truck?
Been a long sabbatical with the knee surgery and L O N G recovery time, which is still not complete BTW!

OK the medium term objective is to get the engine reinstalled.
To do that I am cleaning up all areas of the vehicle that relate in preparation. My hope is to rebuild the transmission next week, but first get a bunch of stuff that is laying around, cluttering up my shop, back on the truck.

So that's what I have been doing, that and messing with the door panels which I just had to pull to make something custom.

Might as well start there.

OK, the plan was to pull the plastic interior door panels and replace with a flat fiberglass/wood panel that serves as a mount for a carbine, magazines, flashlight and other immediate need emergency stuff

First I pulled the door panel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
Since it will now support perhaps 20-25 pounds of stuff, securing it with those factory clips was problematic. Imagine the wind slamming the door open then the door panel with your weapon goes crashing to the ground!

So I'll fasten it with an equal number of small 1/4" bolts

The holes were enlarged and Nutserts were installed in the factory locations
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:31:31 PM
Like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
The rest of this project will be coming back in a couple days, but this was when I decided to get all this junk I was accumulating bolted back onto the truck

Remember that cool H20/alcohol tank that Dan made for me?

Well there it is getting fitted and prepped:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:36:52 PM
After acid primer, the thing was sanded and received a coat of acrylic enamel Lycoming gray along with the transmission to engine adapter plate.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:39:23 PM
The paint turned out OK...I had some runs, but that is expected since I was trying to blow it into spaces between the mount bars and the floor.

BTW that tank is made from 1/4" wall aluminum with 1/2" think legs and mounts. Frankly I wanted it to serve as an emergency jacking point!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
With the quick flash of some wrenches it was permanized into it's new home.

Look how well it fits between and fills up those frame rails!

Dan did a great job building that tank!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:44:06 PM
Now this motor is a no kiddin' 600-700 HP mill. Looking at the factory fuel system I have never been impressed.
It uses tiny lines barely 5/16" in diameter which I knew had to go. So go they will. I'm starting at the injection pump and changing it from a single inlet to a dual inlet with 1/2" lines
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:45:03 PM
Here is the new dual inlet line kit from Cummins Performance Parts, CPP.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Here is one of the fittings installed. The other fitting goes into a port in the front that had a hex plug
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:47:27 PM
And here is the supply line installed
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:49:19 PM
You will notice the shutoff solenoid missing. I decided to use an aircraft cable to convert it to a manual shutoff so it will not be reinstalled.

I threw the motor mounts back on as well just to get them off the shelf
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
I purchased a new Cummins oil line used to lubricate the vacuum pump and drive assembly, but I think it's the wrong part since mine starts out at the blocs with a straight fitting and this one has two 90's
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
For awhile the build is going to be jumping all over as I get a lot of loose ends tied up and more stuff out of boxes and onto this truck.

We'll call it a day, here, the end of Build Day 176...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 21, 2014, 09:01:08 PM
Wow, like seeing an old friend, New material on Square D!  Thanks for sharing and glad you're back to building.........was scared ya were getting good at being a DOT!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Never happen!
I want to get that truck built...Thing is, I keep coming up with ideas for what I want to add or see it able to do...It is always evolving

But first it needs to finally move under it's own steam once again
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on October 21, 2014, 09:39:42 PM
That is one good lookin' engine. Been so long, I forgot what it looked like!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Ought to be a good running one as well...good valve job, Marine pistons coated with some high tech stuff, good everything. I have it set at only 12.5 degrees timing so there is a 100HP bump just by advancing the timing a bit...it should run well...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on October 22, 2014, 03:16:38 PM
Nice to see this back up in progress again! And of course you recovering from the knee operation, that's just awesome.

This is the first build of yours i started following, then went back and caught up start to finish on the duramax... awesome stuff!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:29:32 PM
That's sort of how it is going to play out here

We are back into SquareD

At some point I will reenergize C-Max...After what those tie rods and ball joints did to me, worn out to the point of almost falling apart in a wee bit over 20K, I am not going to keep the stock suspension. That Dana 60 will be mated to that truck at some point.
Sort of toying with the idea of painting it OD green as well...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:35:55 PM
Got a little bit more done today along with appointments, changing oil in the wife's Caddy, grocery shoppin, visiting Duane to complain about stuff and a few other things like that.

The theme remains the same: Get all these parts back on the truck!

So today, I tackled some linkage, some lines and a proportioning valve. But first I picked up a really brightly colored shop vac to replace the old craftsman one the red dog has been chewing on for a year or two.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
Here's the ancient old valve before I tore into it:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
I pulled the old lines off of it, then wire-brushed it for awhile until it was as shiny as the mornin' dew!

I picked up a case of the brake cleaner to use on that tired old transmission
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:39:58 PM
Theh I pulled everything out of it that would unbolt
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:42:17 PM
I cleaned it, inspected it, put in new "O" rings and reassembled it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
Then the acid etch and the top coat of paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:45:23 PM
Next up were the last two transmission cooler lines that are mounted to the block. Here's one as it was removed, and one which was de-rusted!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
Of course they got the treatment, rust removed, then rust converter, then paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:48:16 PM
I did the linkage as well since all of that nestles inside the frame which is hard to get to when that mo-hawg 6BT is crowdin' up the space
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2014, 07:55:29 PM
All of that will find itself back onto the frame tomorrow

The brown truck also delivered me the trucks portable survival radio, a Voyager which has a hand crank, a NiCad battery, 3 AA batteries and a solar cell. It operates on AM/FM SW/LW and the NOAA weather channels
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 23, 2014, 10:25:56 PM
Got a few things done today, but not enough for a decent post, so I'll add more workie tomorrow.


I was bending brake lines and destroyed two 1/4" lines, then I discovered I needed some darned metric junk to fit the gen 2 master cyl

So I threw in the drop cloth and called it a day
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:11:01 PM
OK, I'm tracking to get this transmission rebuild going this week.

In prep for that I am tying up a bunch of loose ends, basically getting a bunch of parts off the shelves and onto the truck.

The big short term goal is to get the engine and transmission set back into the chassis pretty quick. That frees up floor space and work room and sets the stage to get the front clip headed home.

So first I found the correct fan belt and threw that on that purdy motor

Having the factory manual is very handy indeed!

Now there is proper spacing between the fan belt and the tensioner pulley
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:13:43 PM
Next up was remounting those coolant hard lines I painted the other day. Since this block came off a stick truck, I had to pull the plug that has been there since the Clinton era and install a nipple. It was stubborn but after breaking some cheap Chinese tools, a good American made ratchet got the job done
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
I installed the longer line first, then the shorter line. which fit like it was made for this engine!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:17:22 PM
Next up, was the shifter linkage. I had painted the mount pieces and the actual linkage, and that will be nearly impossible to get to when the block is, well, blocking everything, so now is the time
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:18:36 PM
But not without installing some new nylon bushings just to keep everything factory tight and fresh!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:20:13 PM
The first thing that gets installed was the last thing removed, the proportioning valve
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
Next the linkage mount and the linkage itself
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:23:28 PM
Then I could run the front brake line
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:24:58 PM
Then the back line
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:26:22 PM
I cut off the excess of each line and did a new double flare, then bolted it up

This flare tool has been in my box since the 80's!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
With that out of the way, I spent over an hour cleaning the area then assembled two new harbor freight welding tables which I will use to overhaul the transmission which starts next!

So let's play tools just a bit here!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 07:40:25 PM
OK, let's get started building a transmission

First a review: We are building (We= me + the mouse in my pocket) an antiquated A518 which is basically a stout Chrycler 727 with an overdrive section bolted on in place of a normal tailshaft. It also has a slushbox converter with no lock up clutches. It is all hydraulic with little to no electrics and no electronics.

I had a converter built what will have a low stall point, but will not transfer shock loads like the later 47RH/RE which does have lockup clutches. Those shock loads are largely responsible for these transmissions failing.

The scenario is you drive around a street and turn onto a side street. All at once you start taking fire from a crowd or some bad guys. While going forward at a slow speed you slam it into reverse and floor it.

Big time shock loads there. What I need to happen is for the truck to shift into reverse and start backwards albeit while frying the tires at the head of 1200 ft lbs of torque.

Everything that I purchased in parts for this transmission, parts totaling nearly $5,000 were thought out and chosen around that premise.

Secondly, the transmission stayed automatic because of a requirement that the vehicle be operational if I only had one useful leg. It stayed old school because in the event of an EMP event, the truck would not know it and remain operational.

So with all of that in mind, first I purchased a sheet of 3/4" MDF and cut it down to 6' X 3' and clamped it to the welding tables

Then I laid out the parts I would be using and cleaners and rags and all sorts of stuff
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 07:41:19 PM
Transmission in place, let's start the teardown
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 07:43:20 PM
I started off using the ASTG manual, but found that to be lacking the detail I needed as a novice, so I switched to the Chrysler 1991 truck service manual.

It was perfect, a picture for each step!

First the trans pan comes off
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
Followed by the valve body
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 07:46:03 PM
I noticed right away, the internals seemed pretty clean.
Again proving this truck was a survivor and a rare find indeed

Next the accumulator and then the parking paw linkage
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
Under this cover is a snap ring which needs to be expanded to remove the overdrive section from the rest of the transmission
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
After the 7 bolts are removed holding the overdrive unit onto the main transmission, compress that snap ring and the overdrive taps off
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:13:02 PM
Then the pump unit comes off
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:14:37 PM
Then after some magic with the adjusting nut, one of the bands slips out

This one shows very little wear for 171,000 miles behind a diesel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
The Chrysler manual is excellent, like 10X better that that wimpy ATSG. The Chrysler manual shows a picture of everything, where the ATSG will say remove the snap ring from the governor unit...OK, what is a governor unit??? Factory book shows it, shows the snap ring and shows how to get to it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:19:34 PM
Next the gear drive unit comes out. Normally Dodge uses a 3 pinion unit, this truck had a 4 pinion aluminum unit. I will be replacing it with a 5 pinion steel unit for a whole lot of extra strength
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:21:23 PM
Then the second band and that sun gear comes out leaving very few parts remaining
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:22:44 PM
A couple more bolts and a snap ring or two and you are left with an empty case
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:24:08 PM
You may recall I had broken off a cooling line fitting some months ago. I used an easy out and the threaded part came out, well, easy!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:25:43 PM
Without further adieu, disassembly of the overdrive unit commenced
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:27:18 PM
The book is straight forward, one just needs to pay attention and follow step by step
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
Next up was a thourgh cleaning.

First everything was soaked with the purple cleaner and allowed some time

Then I scrubbed the cases inside and outside, finishing with a rinse of scalding hot water.

I redid the cases a second time getting every spec of dirt there was. All I was left with was some staining and paint residue. I'll do some light sanding tomorrow prior to painting with acid etching primer, then top coating with Nason acrylic enamel in appliance white. I figure white will show up leaks better and in the reduce light of the underworld where it will soon live be easier to examine for maintenance checks
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2014, 09:32:59 PM
And that is the garage situation at the end of build day 179
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on October 28, 2014, 10:24:27 PM
Awesome! Coming along nicely!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on October 29, 2014, 10:21:55 AM
Not to backtrack, but when you made new brake lines, did you bypass that horrible abs valve like we talked about? The pic on the last page showed it still hook up (on one side).
...and , how come part 7 isn't stickied? I just noticed part 6 is runnin' off the charts with visits, this one not so much.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 12:45:12 PM
Ken the ABS has gone the way of all useless things...

It was in the back located in the frame rail on the left side. It got replaced with that adjustable proportioning valve

As for sticking part 7, well, we are back to normal here with discussion going to whatever direction the DOT's drive it...Don doesn't care.

I'll just post up the build, probably through engine and transfer case install, all the way to running, then we will start part 8 with the bumper builds, armor, fuel tanks, antenna and camera masts and stuff like that...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on October 29, 2014, 01:27:55 PM
Gotcha...on all counts.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Drunksailor on October 29, 2014, 02:03:41 PM
Im happy Square D is back in motion and even more happy to see a "Big Don" tear down of a trans. Looking good and I'm glad your knee is doing well brother, I'm sure the recovery is ongoing but at least your a mobile old salty warrant again ready to snap heads at a moments notice. ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 02:27:34 PM
but at least your a mobile old salty warrant again ready to snap heads at a moments notice. ;D

You're darned right
So get it squared away there Sailor!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
OK, let's kick this transmission can down the road a bit further.

It may not look like much in picture time, but in RBDT (Real Big Don Time) it took over 5 hours of detail work to get to the end state.

I had set a goal of getting the cases painted and the overdrive unit torn down and cleaned...but life intervened.

I get this call from the school. The larger pre-ranger has managed to projectile puke all over himself, his desk, his books and several of his closest friends.
No one is amused and wants me there five minutes ago.

So's eyes fire up the trusty V-dub and away she goes. Sortly thereafter I hear stories of a massive viral infection spread all over the community by my son who is likely showing the first stages of ebola.

Si I get him out of there and note the boy is healthy! Like really feeling good. He is talking about getting home early and taking the red dog for a run...yea, something's not OK in the kingdom.

So while I'm running down the list of questions, I determined he has not done a field trip to Liberia, or met with any people with an accent or anything like that. What he DID DO was to study about blood....yea

You see, he is one of those guys who passes out at the sight of it. One day my neighbor, a doctor invites him to make the rounds with him, since the larger ranger was considering a career in medicine. Mike my buddy, the Doc finds out early on he does not like the red stuff.

So did (Me) takes my son with me the next time I'm giving blood. He watches the needle go in, witnesses the pulses of his daddy's heart when the red stuff fills the tube. I am watching the nurse, then I look at my son who is a white boy. I mean he is like totally white, no other color. Then I watch him change from white to green. THen I watch as he mimics a giant sequoia doing the death fall. The floor was a soft padded linoleum tile which he thumps off of before anyone can get to him.

It took awhile to get out of there. Another Dr. visit checking for signs of concussion, and that was after maybe 20-30 min of my boy being in a near passed out state of nausea and total dizziness.

Yup, Blood, not Ebola. So we're having Chili for dinner...red chilli ;-)))

OK what were we talking about?

Oh yes, Square D

So I cleaned on the transmission for a while longer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 06:49:53 PM
I used the wire cup grinder thing, a hand held, a tooth brush sized one. I used purple stuff, 180 grit sandpaper, a scrapper, some choice words, and a little voodoo, and in the end the nasty oxidized aluminum gave it up for some shinier stuff
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
Then the machined surfaces were taped off
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 06:54:42 PM
Next I sprayed the virgin aluminum with the acid etching primer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 06:57:07 PM
You can bet your last nickel that primer burned in pretty well.

Here are the pieces parts about to become as white as a wedding dress!

You might note the cast deep sump oil pan showed up. I was sanding on that for a fort-night (Is that like a long time??)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 06:59:04 PM
Then the first of three coats of the white Nason acrylic enamel with hardener
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 07:00:16 PM
And after the third coat:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 07:06:14 PM
Well that got me to nearly 1800 and the end of another build day

But before we set the sun on this exciting episode (Not really) let's play parts!

Who wants to play parts?

Anyone?

OK, you over there with the flip flops on!

Let's look at the new steering crossover assembly

It features DOM tubing not that cheap ole stock crap, nossir this stuff is certified to kill all varieties of jap and kolean and even chinaman kars! Schweet!!!!!!!!

But the reason Big Don bought it was to pea off the old lady, (She doesn't like parts unless they are small, sparkle, and cost a really lot!) no, wait that's not right, I needed it, yea, that's it, I needed this part!

It has offset tie rods that move the bar out board a tad bit...and I'll show you why that's important
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 07:09:57 PM
Remember that big ole mo-hunkin front diff cover Shawn supplied me some time ago?

Well it sticks out far enough to almost interfere with the steering, the factory steering angles, that is...

Does Don leave anything factory? Anything?

Point made. I have messed with the steering angles bumping it up a bit, and just enough for that factory junky cross bar to nick my prudy paint on that cover of Shawn's.

This will buy me valuable space that will make me happy and I'll sleep better tonight, and if the truth be known, so will U!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 07:12:05 PM
And that boyz and girlies is the end of yet another build day in the seeming-lee endless progression of these expanded oil-change related activities!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on October 29, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
Man, I never get enough of that end-of-day money shot. Really like that color on that truck.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
I've been toying with the idea of splashing that color onto C-Max as well...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on October 29, 2014, 11:05:08 PM
I saw some pics the other day of some intercooler pipes and turbo housing that somebody had done in OD... Looked AWESOME
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:29:47 AM
I saw some pics the other day of some intercooler pipes and turbo housing that somebody had done in OD... Looked AWESOME

I believe there were some studies conducted
The results were astounding. The smartest people prefer the color green most of all, did you know that?
And the smartest and better looking of that group prefer the subdued greens!
Yep, proven fact...






or not....
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:18:16 PM
OK, it's past 2000 which is past "O"-dark-thirty for all you civies out there who can't add.
What that means is that it's been a long day and my dogs (Feet) hurt and even more has been done to SquareD

I like how the paint flowed out on that transmission case
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:21:32 PM
The goal today is to get the overdrive torn down, create a tool to collapse that uber strong spring in there, and get it reassembled.

Granted that is an enthusiastic goal, but life is full of goals for those who actually hope to accomplish something.

The teardown is fairly straight forward following a step by step process starting with removal of this governor cross shaft
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
Then I had to create a simple tool which could compress the spring far enough to gain access to the retention rings to remove them.

I discovered some old 4" exhaust tubing was the correct diameter. SO I cut off a couple of sections and welded some long 3/8" bolts to give me a "Picture window" through which to work

Here is the wicked-simple, no cost tool

In the background, the Chrysler tool is shown in the repair manual
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:26:39 PM
The thing is set up in a press.

I own an ancient 30 ton unit that somehow still works
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
With some scary pressure applied, one can gain access to a big and a small snap ring and make them go away
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:29:06 PM
Then you release it and it falls apart
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:30:22 PM
Again it is just a meticulous step by step process to get the parts all torn down for inspection, cleaning and replacement
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:32:57 PM
My truck came with a 5 pinion planetary gear right from the factory. This is a heavy duty part, one that I sourced and purchased fearing I would have a 4 pinion gear. Now I have a spare!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:34:06 PM
A couple more snap rings and the whole thing was reduced to its basic parts
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:35:46 PM
With that, the cleaning and inspection began. I cleaned everything in a vat of lacquer thinner and allowed the parts to air dry.

Next up was reassembly starting with a new output bearing
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:36:28 PM
And thrust washer
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:38:02 PM
So far I would recommend anyone to rebuild this transmission. It is simple and with the aid of a factory repair manual, all you need to do is follow the steps

The build up continues

Here I am using the "newer" 5 planet gear train
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:39:28 PM
And another new thrust washer along with a new spring plate
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
The copper bushings were in great, like new condition so I didn't replace any of them!

Next up is setting up the new overdrive clutch pack.
The factory calls for 8 clutches, but I believe there is room for more. I have 10 on hand...time to skedaddle and do some reading to cipher out how many I can get away with

Note that these Raybestos clutches and steels are make in the USA
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:43:55 PM
Good stopping point, so I marked the manual and bagged the fresh parts and called it a night
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:44:41 PM
So far almost all of these parts were replaced!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 30, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
And here's the mess at the end of build day 181
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Post by: Anthonymo on October 30, 2014, 10:33:40 PM
Loving this! Thank you so much for taking the time to take all the pictures and writing it up. I've been enjoying this build since you posted it to expo!
Where did you get your factory service manual you love so much? Looms like something I should have for my 01!
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 31, 2014, 07:51:12 AM
Glad you like this, hope it proves useful...

When I bought the truck, it had a tool box mounted in the bed. Inside that toolbox were the two manuals. The large factory one, and the factory diesel supplement manual

I have used them many times!
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Post by: JR on October 31, 2014, 11:49:29 PM
I am impressed Don. Tearing into that puppy good!

I do question painting before being done though as you are going to get it pretty messed up putting it together and AT fluid is known for removing paint.

Which manual is that? I did a quick search for Chrysler 47r without much luck. Oh, found a grid to. Just missed a new one for 60 but got a used one for 50 shipped.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 01, 2014, 08:29:46 AM
Yea, I might have gotten ahead of meself on the painting thing, but what the heck, it's done now, so I say: Press on!

Halloween in the tucky: It snowed!
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Post by: WVRigRat08 on November 01, 2014, 09:24:54 PM
Different than dmax forum, lol, trucks liking good don, love the sight.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 01, 2014, 09:33:58 PM
Different than dmax forum, lol, trucks liking good don, love the sight.
Good to see ya over here!
Yup, this is the next step in the progression of what we started over at D-Max Forums. I hope this site has more "Substance"
We're just getting started really, small now, but my money sez we're goin' to the stars!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2014, 09:14:30 PM
Well, between spending some time at the gym, some time with my boys, a lunch, and having a washer delivered, then having to prep tonight to go feed the homeless, I had scarely a couple hours remaining to work out SquareD's issues.'

But work on it I did. I finished rebuilding the overdrive section minus inserting a couple more clutch discs and steels.

The first thing I did was to compress that huge spring once again and install the snap rings which hold it all together. THe factory 8 clutches and 7 steels were replaced with 10 clutches and 9 steels for a significant upgrade in holding power in overdrive. Plus the clutches and steels were of a much higher quality than factory stuff
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2014, 09:16:38 PM
Next up, I rebuilt the governor unit. These iron rings, very similar to piston rings have this strange inter-connect arrangement that gave me some fits until I figured out how to assemble it. But like all things it yielded and the gov unit was renewed
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2014, 09:17:48 PM
I replaced this tiny filter inside the governor unit before locktiting the bolts into place
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
Then the bearing, snap ring, parking lever assembly, and governor supply tube assemble all went in followed by the rebuilt geartrain assembly
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
I would have gotten the overdrive direct clutches installed, but time ran out, so I just heaped them in there and covered everything up till tomorrow
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Post by: jms89 on November 04, 2014, 11:49:54 AM
You sir, are brave! I have always been deeply intimidated by transmissions and their inner-workings. Looks like you have a good handle on the build though! I am impressed.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 04, 2014, 12:40:11 PM
You sir, are brave! I have always been deeply intimidated by transmissions and their inner-workings. Looks like you have a good handle on the build though! I am impressed.
-Not brave

Just not very bright!

I lean to the side of foolishness and that's where all this adventure comes from

Through the grace of God himself, most of these antics actually work out!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on November 04, 2014, 04:11:59 PM
That falls under the "even a blind squirrel finds a nut, now and then" category of devine intervention there Don!  Don't kid yourself, you've got skills-

Speaking of Squirrels, wasn't there some "Secret Squirrel" guy over on DMax?
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 04, 2014, 07:44:13 PM
Today, I poured over the transmission again, but the going is very slow.

First having finished the OD unit, It has become a bit of a mystery to me about how to check piston end-play. It needs to be .095"-.115" no more and no less. There is some special tool designed for the task. But the trans guy at RevMax says to just build up that end and select a drill bit or around .100" in diameter give or take and shim the thrust washer until I get the clearance...

But I can't figure out where to actually measure!!!!!!!!

So I bagged the OD unit (Literally) and went off to reassembling the main case.
Well after getting a few things rebuilt and assembled I discovered just how sharp a machined edge can be. Had to pull out the masking tape again.

So I backed off that some and started assembling the new Sonnex apply pistons which are doubled sealed and a headache to assemble. Finally at around 1900 I said to heck with it and gave up for the evening.

I'll get back on it tomorrow with a fresh attitude.
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Post by: JR on November 04, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
Great work Don, again what book is that you got.

When doing some tranny work on my Dmax I used some foil cooking tubs from the dollar store for drain pans, soaking clutch packs and such. Nice and then you throw them away.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 12:55:03 PM
Great work Don, again what book is that you got.

When doing some tranny work on my Dmax I used some foil cooking tubs from the dollar store for drain pans, soaking clutch packs and such. Nice and then you throw them away.
The book is the FSM right from Dodge for the 1991 W250 series trucks with the diesel supplement.
Absolutely necessary for this trans stuff!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
OK, I need a shower...
My clothes smell like transmission fluid
My camera is shinier than it used to be
Certain letters on the keyboard are a bit brighter as well...

So we are ah' talkin transmissions once again...and at the rate I am completing this build, will continue to be until the new year!

I wanted to get the case drilled to supply more oil to something on the other side...not that I am an expert, or even know what in the heck I am talking about, but several transmission smart guys say I should do it

It's a small hole, only .040" and it goes in a strange place. Here's pics I downloaded to use as reference:
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:36:40 PM
Can't see it, you say? Well neither could I so I just drilled holes all over the thing...thought it wouldn't hurt. After all the Marines install holes in Taliban and it seems to help them (Both the Taliban and the Marines!)

That drill bit is a #59 if anyone ever reads this and cares!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:37:58 PM
OK, got that done: Check!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
Back to the O/D unit. The factory unit uses 8 clutches on the inside direct drive unit, RevMax supplied me 10. They monkey with the thicknesses of both the clutches and the steels. That was a 20% increase in clamping force with surface area alone. Now factor in the fact that this transmission will be running higher pressures and it should hold quite a bit more torque than the wimpy factory unit.

The OD large clutch called for 6 clutches. RevMax supplied me 8 care of this specially machined reaction plate and machined steels of a berry, berry special steel.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:46:14 PM
That clutch pack really filled up that case!

But I am currently having troubles figuring out how to measure the clearance. I need a special tool to get that done, however, one can simply assemble the piston and thrust washer and bearing and measure. I need from .095"-.115" clearance. Frank at RevMax tells me to find a drill of around that size and stick it in there to measure with, then shim it as required. Well, I found a drill that measures .105", which is perfect, but I don't know what to do with it!

I'm like a pig lookin' at a wrist watch!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:49:12 PM
Not to be discouraged, I pressed on with installing the sprag clutch , then this band apply piston from Sonnex. This one has double seals in lieu of the factory leaky single seals. They use one rubber, and one Teflon seal to cut down on leaks, keep the pressure up, and therefore provide more lubrication to the other internal parts
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:50:48 PM
I slid in the new sonnax accumulator as well. It's looks cool!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
Things were going right along when I noticed there wasn't a cool looking billet piston for the other hole in that transmission...Hugh???
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
So I sez to myself, ya know, self...I think there might be a piece/part ah' missin'!

So I's goooos to lookin, spyeye'n the packing list and setting my gaze upon the stuff that has not yet been carried off by the dog.

First I's get to starin' at the big band. That's purdy, I sez, but isn't thar ah supposed to bee ah two of dem here? I sez...
Then I notice there isn't one. SO I start with hate filled killin thoughts as I cast my gaze upon the red dog. SHe senses death at the door step and goes away. So I go out in the drizzle to her favorite chewin' spots. Yep, found it...There is my wire brush, new screwdriver and a freshly emptied can of what was some tasty coffee beans I'll bet. But no band, not even a rusty bolt or part of the world trade center towers, nothing.

So I's gets to lookin at the packin' list and she isn't there. Nossir, wasn't packed, wasn't sold, just wasn't!. Neither was my new sprag clutches not the billet thing that goes into that big hole in the bottom of the transmission case.!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:01:13 PM
After finding my warm quiet place and staying there for a time, the hate filled killin thoughts gave way to the desire to do more rebuilding stuff.
I guess I'll call Frank in the morning and get the brown truck guys some more work!

Meantime I decided to rebuild the nasty looking pump
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
So I marked the two parts and removed the bolts, exposing the pump
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
I cleaned everything as best as I could finishing with brake cleaner, then I painted the case part that faces the outside. I wire brushed away the rust, then cleaned it, then coated it with acid etching primer, then top coated with J. Deere semi flat black
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:06:46 PM
Next the perforated bushing in the inside was removed and using a bushing and seal driver, I tapped a new one into the bore

The bushing is staked into place in the two recesses machined into the housing
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:07:51 PM
Then the cleaned and freshly lubed gears were reinstalled
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:09:05 PM
The hub and reaction shaft had two iron seal rings which I removed, and replaced with brandly new parts...how special...!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
Some medium lock-tite was applied to the threads, and the two sections were reunited.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
Forgot to mention, I also added a new front seal and a new rubber O-Ring to the body, which completed that unit. It is now ready to reinstall.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2014, 07:16:19 PM
I did some work on the engine as well, adding 8 hose clamps, and securing the hard water lines and adding a block vent hose, but aside from that, I'll call it a successful build day 183
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Post by: Dawg25385 on November 06, 2014, 12:08:53 AM
Nice work!

Have to say, love seeing the yellow and black mallet making cameo appearances in photos along the way. If I'm not mistaken, that's been a mainstay in every build so far...
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
Funny!

Yup that mallet has had it's yellow head destroyed for some time now and the black, softer side suffered serious damage getting two parts of that transmission separated.

Yup, I'd agree, that hammer is critical to the build so far!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:21:01 PM
Well, the one thing I can say positively about today, was that it is finally over!

Yup not a good build day at all.

I started out with calling RevMax trying to sort out what might be wrong with the clearance in the assembled OD unit. We finally gave up with all parties scratching their heads.

All the parts I thought I needed, I didn't, as they never wear out which explains why I was finding everything in such good condition.

So I had started with another project since I had envisioned having to wait a week for the parts showing up. The other project was to fit up the new upper shock mount and get the shocks reinstalled, then come back at the transmission.

But after fooling with the shock mounts I could plainly see there is no way to get them to fit on this truck. So, I'll have to revisit the shock mount thing tomorrow.

I did get the cross over steering arm cut and welded, except that when I marked it correctly with tape, when I cut it, I cut the wrong end of the tape, making the bar 3/4" too short. Yea... So when I assembled the tie rod ends after the welding, it was all too short. So I had to screw the tie rods out more than I had planned and yes, the bar will work, as the tie rods are still fully engaged in their threads, thanks to having really long threaded bodies, but I like to tuck all those threads inside for safe keeping!

So then I went back at the transmission and tore down the forward clutch. After assembling that I came up with like .150 clearance! The factory calls for .080-.115" but RevMax calls for .025"-.035". So I am a country mile away from anything that looks correct, and worse, I know of no way to correct that.

S let's get started on today's diasters
First up is the destruction of one perfectly good steering cross bar.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:21:51 PM
Yes, the supplied DOM is too long

so I marked it correctly for the cut
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
...and then I cut it in the wrong place!

The bar itself is waaay stronger than the factory stuff. Look at the diameter and wall thickness:
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:25:13 PM
The bar fits

And it moved the tie rod bar well forward and away from Shawn's cover, but I don't like having those threads exposed like that
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:27:29 PM
And here is the trick shock mount I was going to weld up. It is just too big, and too tall and gets in the way of the steering and the brake lines, so I am going to have to do something much simpler.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:33:52 PM
Not knowing the mounts wouldn't fit, I built up my set up shocks. I use shocks off one of my old stock vehicles, then drill them or cut the bodies to release all the fluid, then clamp off the piston rod to the correct length. I want 4.5" of droop and the rest will be long travel type extension.

This one is hard to guess, because without the motor sitting in there, I don't know how far those springs will settle down. The beauty of the custom mount you see is extreme adjustability. One simply welds the small "L" shaped parts to the frame, then the upper piece bolts on in any of a dozen locations allowing you to run longer shocks or shorter ones...your call. Simply unbolt and bolt back up where you want them to be.

Note that the factory Chevy Silverado shock has a larger piston rod than the nitro skyjackers!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
OK with a big fail staring me in the fact there, back to the transmission.

I decided to rebuild the forward clutch today and maybe something else as well.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:36:22 PM
So going back into  the press, I separated the parts and tore it down.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:37:55 PM
After cleaning it was ready for reassembly.

First up was the new billet piston. It's prudy isn't it!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:39:03 PM
Then soaked everything in fresh ATF
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
Then as I assembled everything, first of all the RevMax instruction sheet that states the clutch could, called for 4 steels and 4 clutches, starting with a clutch first!

Well, that is really perplexing to me. You see if I added a clutch first, it would be riding directly on that aluminum piston. Now am I crazy or does that seem wrong. Shouldn't a clutch ride on a steel? And not soft aluminum?

So I was questioning that when I noticed I got shorted one steel!!!!!!!!!! Da#$!)#! it! Talk about helpless. I had 4 clutches and 3 steels...clearly one short. So I selected the best one out of the old parts and continued, although disappointed.
Then when I slid the snap ring in to finish it off, I checked the clearances and they were no where near right. They were clearly maybe .050-.070 too much! Now how could that be?

And that's the second mystery. First the OD section did not come out anywhere near spec. It's over a tenth of an inch too tight. That will cause a failure of that unit fairly quickly. And now the forward clutch pack is a no-go.

I am beginning to think I tackled a task too big for my novice transmission abilities.
I would caution anyone attempting this that it is not easy. It is not quick, it is not just going to fly back together. There is a ton of work to get done inside that case, and you can another 50% to what I am doing if you plan to replace the bushings.

I don't know. I have no confidence right now that I can get this thing right...I just don't know how, and the guys at RevMax haven't been able to help over the phone, although I suspect they would have solved all of this ricky-tick it the trans were sitting there.
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Post by: JR on November 06, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
Shouldn't it be 5 steels and 4 clutches or does the piston do the work of one steel?

I don't doubt your ability to stumble though this right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Is there a way to raise that tie rod above the spring pack? Some KIA may bent it right back into the cover,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 07, 2014, 07:33:30 AM
The front clutch has a piston, 4 steels, 4 clutches. and a pressure plate. I think the correct stackup should be piston pushing on a steel, then clutch, steel 2, clutch 2, steel 3, clutch 3, steel 4, clutch 4, pressure plate. That would be most like the stock setup and wouldn't have that sandpaper clutch disc sanding down the piston.

As for the steering, I elected to go with normal position steering vs high steer. Those top arms tend to break out of the housing or loosen studs and so forth. The DOM is so strong it will actually protect the housing.

I had a discussion with some folks when I built it this way, Shawn, weren't you in the middle of all that? Back then, a year ago, the consensus was go with stock style steering.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on November 07, 2014, 09:51:54 AM
And this is why I don't build trannys. To many things for my little brain to absorb. I got bored somewhere in the nineties and decided to build after the local trans shops repeatedly let me down (I used to pull them, send out as sublet, and reinstall). If it wasn't right, I had to eat the labor on R&R, and deal with upset customers. Can't be that hard to do, I tell myself....so...
I built 4 trannys that year, an old 350 out of my trans am, 2 gm 4l60e's, and a ford e4od. The 2 electric chevys came back multiple times for a net loss of 10,000,000.00, but the 2 others are still going to this day (altho I haven't driven the t/a in a few years.
...no thanks, not for me.
That being said, I have the utmost confidence in you big guy!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ceelibs on November 07, 2014, 10:48:06 AM
My service lit is showing the front clutch stackup as follows
steel/dis/steel/disc/steel/disc/reaction plate. clutch stackups can vary according to the unit but it looks like either way a steel goes against the pressure plate. are you running one of the thinner pressure plates designed to allow for more frictions/steels in the assembly?

page 577 shows the clearance for the OD unit, you dont need the special tool, just a known flat bar of a given thickness. the special tool is .5 in thick so use the specs provided but substitute whatever thickness your "special tool" is. IIRC I used the shank of a prybar (it was the only thing I had that would span across the case). It is a tricky measurment I`ll admit.

One more thing, I dont see an alignment shaft in the OD assembly as it was going back together in the press, you will need to have the splines in there all aligned in order to get the OD unit back onto the output shaft, and that giant honkin spring needs to be compressed in order for those splines to be free to align them. I used my old intermediate shaft and cut it down in length a bit to fit in the press (I put in a new int shaft due to the 5 pinion front planetary having diff splines than the alum 4 pinion deal requiring the new int shaft).
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 07, 2014, 01:43:31 PM
My service lit is showing the front clutch stackup as follows
steel/dis/steel/disc/steel/disc/reaction plate. clutch stackups can vary according to the unit but it looks like either way a steel goes against the pressure plate. are you running one of the thinner pressure plates designed to allow for more frictions/steels in the assembly?

page 577 shows the clearance for the OD unit, you dont need the special tool, just a known flat bar of a given thickness. the special tool is .5 in thick so use the specs provided but substitute whatever thickness your "special tool" is. IIRC I used the shank of a prybar (it was the only thing I had that would span across the case). It is a tricky measurment I`ll admit.

One more thing, I dont see an alignment shaft in the OD assembly as it was going back together in the press, you will need to have the splines in there all aligned in order to get the OD unit back onto the output shaft, and that giant honkin spring needs to be compressed in order for those splines to be free to align them. I used my old intermediate shaft and cut it down in length a bit to fit in the press (I put in a new int shaft due to the 5 pinion front planetary having diff splines than the alum 4 pinion deal requiring the new int shaft).
Trouble is, we are mixing apples and oranges with using the FSM, ATSG, or similar when dealing with aftermarket parts. FSM says a steel goes against the piston. Makes sense as the steel isn't turning and a clutch is. So putting a clutch against the piston would cause it to wear the piston face very quickly. I can't believe the RevMax directions at this point, it just doesn't make any sense.

I aligned the direct drive clutches with the old shaft. They are all fitting pretty. And that is one big honkin spring...scary thing!

Good idea on the OD section measurement. I'll get a chunk of steel, then do the measurement, then add or subtract from .500" depending on how thick the steel is.

But there are some real problems here. The clearance is way too much with that new billet piston in there in the forward clutch. I mean, so far almost none of the clearances have come out. I really had no idea it would get this complicated and with really no real way of fixing it easily. With the problem in the forward clutch, I'm going to have to actually change thicknesses of the steels.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 07:39:22 AM
Well, while I figure out this transmission dilemma, there is no time being wasted.

I wanted to solve that shock mounting issue, so I did.

The custom shock towers I had from an earlier purchase were simply too tall to fit so instead of reinventing the wheel, I thought I'd just work with what I had.

The easiest thing to do was to shorten them, so that is what I did.

By doing that, I retained the adjustability of the unit allowing me to squeeze in a much longer shock in there anytime I want to.

So here is the actual surgery:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
And the "Feet" mounted up. These L-shaped feet will weld to the frame, allowing one to slide the outer section up or down to accommodate wheel wells, tires, wheels, shock lengths and who knows what else???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 07:43:47 AM
The shock mount uses a healthy bushing arrangement that will not elongate like a simple hole through some 5/16" plate. I used old shocks to set the clearances and a big bolt to hold it all in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 07:45:36 AM
Next I welded the pieces of the mount together, and tacked them to the frame where I wanted them.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 07:50:28 AM
The drivers side upper mount came close to interfering with the steering column, but not quite. I cut it down afterward on the scary saw which gained me maybe 1.5" more clearance.

What I'll do is push the mounts upward and see just how long of a shock I might get in there.

Here are the weldments all glued up and permanized!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 07:52:43 AM
Still had some smoke going on in that last pic.

BTW when grinding off the frame to prep to weld, that underlying rust preventer was like iron. It was hard to get off. I think this frame is finally rust proof, at least for a time.

The parts were given some quality time with the grinder in preparation for paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 07:55:50 AM
Then of course, the acid etching primer and gray paint.

Funny thing was when I opened the lid of the gray paint, it was black!

Yup, they mis-mixed it. So I simply used some of my white and some of this black and mixed until I thought I was pretty close to the Lycoming gray color of the other chassis and suspension parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on November 08, 2014, 01:40:30 PM
sounds like its time to call mike at Inglewood transmission?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
sounds like its time to call mike at Inglewood transmission?

Yea, might be.
Detected a problem
Talking to Frank over at RevMax, well, they could not solve the problem. Said they never saw that before. I didn't even mention the forward clutch is way off with clearances as well...
I did ask him why there was no reverse/low servo piston in the parts. He answered, and I am sure about this, that none was available, that none were ever made. Well that turns out to be false.
The low/reverse piston is actually a problem prone unit because the stock unit is thin and can get cocked in the bore. There are pistons available in the aftermarket for $42 that are triple the thickness that correct the problem. I ordered it already.
So, two out of three clutch packs out of tolerance and the accumulator piston bad advice and I was shorted one steel. That's three strikes + 1...not liking this and I have lost confidence in them...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 08, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
Hate to see this SNAFU side-lining you- it's one type of frustration when it's your mistake/error, it's really frustration supreme when it's THEIR screw-up after you've done your due diligence and you still can't get things squared!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on November 09, 2014, 08:07:03 AM
Hope you get the trans stuff all figured out quickly. I really want to see this thing get installed into the truck behind that sexy powerplant and do what it is made for. It is not a big paperwieght, and I have faith you will get it sorted.
However, you did your homework, talked to the suppliers, covered the bases, and should not be in this pickle.

On a side note, this delay may help with the view to the Jap maple, as I'm sure you have several other tangents you can cover while awaiting a soultion.

Yea, I'll get it sorted. Have been reading and studying the transmission design. I can vary the clutch thicknesses, but here we go again...with me having to cipher stuff out instead of relying on industry "Experts."

I grow tired of getting a line that leads to a sale. Why can't we all just be truthful. Say something like, "I believe this will fit with 50% certainty. If not, then it will be on you to purchase new this's or that's, or just send the trans to us for the 6K build with the warranty.

As for the jap maple...The little Ranger and I are going to string Christmas lights on it in about an hour...get a shot of that as we get that all built out!

I TOO AM VERY MOTIVATED to get that honkin diesel back where it belongs. I want to get back onto projects of a more custom, off-road, and military manner.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 09, 2014, 02:06:19 PM
So let's all talk about the front axle.

Should I leave it alone? It has an open diff with a 3.54 gear and 30 spline axles.

Or should I pull that sucker and get ahold of Tate and do his thing to it, which would be HD axles, a locker, the good manual hub kit and so forth? Maybe even upgrade all the way to 1410 U-joints?

Another question open for discussion: The gear ratio...
We have a 3.45 which is great for a stock size 31 inch tire. Now I am running 37" tires which cut that back to the 3.00 range (ish)
Now some of these dodges had a weird Dnan 61 axle with a 3.07 ratio. They ran around just fine and got mid 20's for mileage.

I built out the turbo with a huge compressor which makes the power, but with a small turbine housing which will spool fast, but will create some more back pressure.

With me so far?

By my ciphering's I will be cruising around in the 1350-1500RPM range. That would seem low, but I think this motor will be making close to 1000 ft./lbs. at that low RPM. So, again using CDL (Convoluted Don Logic), it will have more than enough power to pull anything at that RPM, and if not a quick push of the OD button brings me down a gear to 1:1, and at that low RPM, the truck should just be sipping chicken grease from it's oversized coal tanks.

The option would be to rebuild it with 4.10 gears, that would have me also buying a grizzly for the 10.25 rear axle and doing the 4.10 there as well.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on November 09, 2014, 02:39:03 PM
Leave it (as far as ratios go). You'll have plenty of torque to push those tires while maintaining mileage....which is hugely important when fuel reserves become a precious commodity.

But, I have little experience when it comes to the strength of dodge axles after adding power.....maybe they're known for becoming metal splinters when you step on the fuel lever, IDK.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on November 09, 2014, 02:42:03 PM
I know that no "Big D" oil change is complete without a full re-gear and build. But, it may be worth getting to a drivable state and evaluating the need for more gear or not.
I'm with Ken with the not knowing a lot on the strength and the possible grenade scenario as well.
Just my .02, but... the locker would be a handy addition.  ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: streetrodchev on November 09, 2014, 02:50:28 PM
I like the 4.10 ratio for your application, and the way the rest of the oil change is going, I would upgrade the front to 35 spline shafts and either a selectable locker or power lok. 

My '87 Chevy has a power lok with 35 spline inners and outers.  It also has a Detroit locker in the 14 bolt.  I have been able to get through or back out of places I would not have been if the front was open.  It is not my daily driver, but do run it all year long and plow snow in the winter.  I don't remember if you went through the NP205 yet, but consider a twin stick.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 09, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
I like the 4.10 ratio for your application, and the way the rest of the oil change is going, I would upgrade the front to 35 spline shafts and either a selectable locker or power lok. 

My '87 Chevy has a power lok with 35 spline inners and outers.  It also has a Detroit locker in the 14 bolt.  I have been able to get through or back out of places I would not have been if the front was open.  It is not my daily driver, but do run it all year long and plow snow in the winter.  I don't remember if you went through the NP205 yet, but consider a twin stick.

There's one vote for the 4.10

I want to upgrade the front axle, which is a right drop low pinion Dana 60 to an air locker with 35 spline axles and Yukon's new spiffy hubs. I think that would be the smartest route while remaining with the 3.54...just cause.

It isn't a drag racer and that torque would easily get it all done, but I don't see the axles as the weak point, but the tranny. You see a 4.10 would take a lot of strain off the transmission. Trannys work best when they are running at some speed when you apply all the squeeze on them. Running 1200-1300 ft. lbs. against that converter and refried clutches will definitely push them some. The 4.10 reduces the need for all that torque and gets rid of it faster than a numerically lower geared axle

Twin stick = no leg room

I don't necessarily see why I need it, although as soon as I get done with the transmission, I'll rebuild that NP205.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Gil on November 10, 2014, 02:33:37 PM
With some of the questions you have with your transmission build, have you considered calling Goerend? http://www.goerend.com/

They made several of the parts in house that you are missing from your kit.  In addition, they could probably refer you to someone that is near you to help with finishing your transmission. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 10, 2014, 03:38:21 PM
As for re-gearing....
What will be the most efficient (both cost effective/power useage)
What is the end result for D2 going to be? (tire size/extra weight added)
Which gear ratio will work best for some grunt when you need it, yet good for everyday use?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 05:01:33 PM
With some of the questions you have with your transmission build, have you considered calling Goerend? http://www.goerend.com/

They made several of the parts in house that you are missing from your kit.  In addition, they could probably refer you to someone that is near you to help with finishing your transmission. 
Not out of ideas yet.
I like to really research things before going to "experts"
I may go elsewhere, but when I talked to Goerend to begin with they were not very interested in the 518 project so I moved on...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 05:03:48 PM
As for re-gearing....
What will be the most efficient (both cost effective/power useage)
What is the end result for D2 going to be? (tire size/extra weight added)
Which gear ratio will work best for some grunt when you need it, yet good for everyday use?
This thing will have plenty of torque to move mountains with any gear. The 3.54 will get the best mileage, and the 4.10 will run best at crawl speeds off road in rough situations

Staying 3.54 makes the most sense, but adding a traction device like the new air locker Randys supplied for the other Dana 60 housing I won. But that one is again earmarked for duty in the Big Chevy
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 10, 2014, 06:24:20 PM

This thing will have plenty of torque to move mountains with any gear. The 3.54 will get the best mileage, and the 4.10 will run best at crawl speeds off road in rough situations

Staying 3.54 makes the most sense, but adding a traction device like the new air locker Randys supplied for the other Dana 60 housing I won. But that one is again earmarked for duty in the Big Chevy

I'd stay 3.54 until you get D2 more finished than in progress. Re-evaluate and re-engage your needs/requirements at that time. Do it once, and be done with it.

But then again, I"m not doing the work, I'm just reading the updates.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Gil on November 10, 2014, 07:24:54 PM
If you don't find the information you need, with regards to transmission information, I can refer you to Pro Trans in California.  They build our racing transmissions that are based on a 727 platform.  They machine all of the internal parts in house and do more work that Gorend does with builds.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:19:33 PM
Feel free to share the information with them.

If they have something to offer, I'd be happy to know!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:26:52 PM
Continuing the build, the recently welded in shock mount bases were cleaned then sprayed with undercoating
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:28:34 PM
While that was drying, the new crossover steering bar was dropped into place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:32:43 PM
The lower shock mount faced inward, which is now 90 degrees out of phase with the new upper mount. I suppose I could have left it alone, but the shock would do a twisting thing as it stroked up and down and thinking ahead to a time when I have some odd ball shock mounted in there that cannot accommodate that twisting, I elected to line up the lower mount with the upper.

Here's the old mount stud coming out:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:33:50 PM
And the shock tabs which will be utilized
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
Placing each tab in the vise, I used the plasma to notch out the bottom side to fit over that beefy mount
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
With a couple washers to space the tabs on the shock bushing, I made lots of sparky heat that glued the tabs onto the old lower mount
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:39:50 PM
Then the top mounts were bolted to the frame brackets
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:42:13 PM
I moved the mounts up as far as I could so I could run a much longer shock.

Luckily, I'll be able to run a shock a bunch longer that the 6" lift shocks I have on now.

I ended up with plenty of clearance from the steering shaft
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
The passenger side fit like a glove as well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 10, 2014, 09:46:07 PM
The new/old shock was fitted just for a time to check how everything lined up.

The upper shock mounts moved around a little so some adjusting will have to take place there, but otherwise, it's a pass and another project in the bag
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 11, 2014, 09:12:56 AM
Leave it (as far as ratios go). You'll have plenty of torque to push those tires while maintaining mileage....which is hugely important when fuel reserves become a precious commodity.

But, I have little experience when it comes to the strength of dodge axles after adding power.....maybe they're known for becoming metal splinters when you step on the fuel lever, IDK.

I can speak to the 70's vintage Mopar axels, they're stout and handle torque and abuse -in over 15 years of dirt track with my Dad, only broke one axel and that was under full throttle when another car used my rear wheel for his brakes - stuffing his bumper into the rim.  It snapped the axel end at the spline at the gear assembly.  Unless they changed designs significantly, I'd leave it as is for now and put that modification down for your SECOND oil change.....  ;D  I would go with the upgrades outer parts like hubs etc. though!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 11, 2014, 11:16:05 AM
So here's a vote to stay in with the 30 spline axles and just update the hubs (good idea) and add the locker?
Stock 3.54?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on November 11, 2014, 02:03:59 PM
I'd stay with it until you know the gears won't work for you, which I think has been determined that they 'should'. At some point the reality is they don't, that may be the time to do an all out oil change. So I think I'm voting stay with it until needs say otherwise.
Now, if you're thinking locker at this time, then thought must go into building it up only once.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 11, 2014, 02:16:01 PM
I'd stay with it until you know the gears won't work for you, which I think has been determined that they 'should'. At some point the reality is they don't, that may be the time to do an all out oil change. So I think I'm voting stay with it until needs say otherwise.
Now, if you're thinking locker at this time, then thought must go into building it up only once.
Yea, I thinking that now might be a good time to pull that axle and do the number on it. So I could

A. Install a 30 spline Yukon Air locker and hubs

B. Everything in A, + high strength axles

but if I were to replace axles, then it would make sense to:

C. Install Yukon's 35 spline locker, axles, and hubs.

D. A + change to 4.10 gears

E. C + change to 4.10 gears

F. Sober up and stop the madness!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on November 11, 2014, 02:38:35 PM
...or G: Remember you've got CMAX waitin' for attention and just shorten up the madness!! (you don't wanna stop it all together) lol
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 11, 2014, 03:29:36 PM
Ken,

Had some projects for C-Max set up for today. then a buyer showed up, then the rain came, then it was time to rehearse for tonight's presentation, then...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 11, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
Ken,

Had some projects for C-Max set up for today. then a buyer showed up, then the rain came, then it was time to rehearse for tonight's presentation, then...

Buyer for CMax?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on November 12, 2014, 12:51:09 AM
A Buyer was what I thought too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

On the front axle, all or nothing cept maybe the hubs which should not affect the "all or nothing".

Don, as good as that lower shock mount works, it doesn't look Donafied enough,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 12, 2014, 07:53:55 AM
Ken,

Had some projects for C-Max set up for today. then a buyer showed up, then the rain came, then it was time to rehearse for tonight's presentation, then...

Buyer for CMax?

No, for the Tac-Gator

Not using it at all

Only 22 hours on it since purchased 2 years ago!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 12, 2014, 09:33:26 AM
No, for the Tac-Gator

Not using it at all

Only 22 hours on it since purchased 2 years ago!


Dang...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on November 12, 2014, 02:35:24 PM
Need to spend some more time at the farm!
Heck, I guess I'll round up the boys and head that way to clear out the cobwebs. Let's see, pick up Nate #1 since he's on the way.........
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on November 12, 2014, 04:58:56 PM
Alright. back from Vegas/SEMA, I'm stepping in here to throw my hat in the ring. YZLD60-3-35 YK D60-F YHC70001 YP KP-001 AK D60-F ARBRDCKMA12 and YSPSP-028 are already in your possession for C-MAX and will fit nicely with the 3.54 gears that you SHOULD keep. the only thing you're short is the chromoly axle kit with 35 spline upgraded outers, YA W26028 including the SuperJoints will finish you off nicely. This combo gives you:
An air operated selectable locker built with fully forged chromoly case and internals
An air compressor that you have already installed under the bed
The front differential master overhaul kit with king pin rebuild kits and hub bearing/seal kits for both sides
Yukon Hardcore locking hubs that make the factory hubs look like toys
4340 hardened chromoly axles and 25% larger than stock competition level u/joints that are rebuildable. we're talking King of the Hammers desert racing level joints.
This is also a very handy tool: http://www.ringpinion.com/Calculators/Calc_RPM.aspx
you can click the "transmission gear ratio chart" link and bring up your trans, enter gear ratio, tire size, speed and trans ratio and get RPM at any chosen combination.
You can always get more fun stuff for C-MAX when she's ready.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 12, 2014, 06:33:39 PM
Alright. back from Vegas/SEMA, I'm stepping in here to throw my hat in the ring. YZLD60-3-35 YK D60-F YHC70001 YP KP-001 AK D60-F ARBRDCKMA12 and YSPSP-028 are already in your possession for C-MAX and will fit nicely with the 3.54 gears that you SHOULD keep. the only thing you're short is the chromoly axle kit with 35 spline upgraded outers, YA W26028 including the SuperJoints will finish you off nicely. This combo gives you:
An air operated selectable locker built with fully forged chromoly case and internals
An air compressor that you have already installed under the bed
The front differential master overhaul kit with king pin rebuild kits and hub bearing/seal kits for both sides
Yukon Hardcore locking hubs that make the factory hubs look like toys
4340 hardened chromoly axles and 25% larger than stock competition level u/joints that are rebuildable. we're talking King of the Hammers desert racing level joints.
This is also a very handy tool: http://www.ringpinion.com/Calculators/Calc_RPM.aspx
you can click the "transmission gear ratio chart" link and bring up your trans, enter gear ratio, tire size, speed and trans ratio and get RPM at any chosen combination.
You can always get more fun stuff for C-MAX when she's ready.

And BOOM!  The answer is clear, concise, accurately stated and given with the authority of someone who knows what he's talking about..............of course I have no idea if it's accurate, 'cause to me, it's like the first time I saw Molon Labe written in.....Greek!  With my Kindergarten understanding of the technical aspects of rear-ends etc. I'm giving it two thumbs up!  Best part is that Don could be elbow deep in it in no time with things being "on hand!

We've missed you Tate!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 12, 2014, 07:22:16 PM
Alright. back from Vegas/SEMA, I'm stepping in here to throw my hat in the ring. YZLD60-3-35 YK D60-F YHC70001 YP KP-001 AK D60-F ARBRDCKMA12 and YSPSP-028 are already in your possession for C-MAX and will fit nicely with the 3.54 gears that you SHOULD keep. the only thing you're short is the chromoly axle kit with 35 spline upgraded outers, YA W26028 including the SuperJoints will finish you off nicely. This combo gives you:
An air operated selectable locker built with fully forged chromoly case and internals
An air compressor that you have already installed under the bed
The front differential master overhaul kit with king pin rebuild kits and hub bearing/seal kits for both sides
Yukon Hardcore locking hubs that make the factory hubs look like toys
4340 hardened chromoly axles and 25% larger than stock competition level u/joints that are rebuildable. we're talking King of the Hammers desert racing level joints.
This is also a very handy tool: http://www.ringpinion.com/Calculators/Calc_RPM.aspx
you can click the "transmission gear ratio chart" link and bring up your trans, enter gear ratio, tire size, speed and trans ratio and get RPM at any chosen combination.
You can always get more fun stuff for C-MAX when she's ready.
Hey Tate,
Three things
First, handy calculator you have there
Second, I hear a clear vote for keeping the 3.54 ratio.
Third, well, heck I forgot what was third...

OK thing is I have that high pinion F350 Dana 60 case already set up with those cool parts from Randy's in there. Cost me some $350 smackers to get that done. And I want to install that in C-Max with all the bad tie rod and ball joint business going on there with that cognito-ized suspension.

But, Tate makes a point here...just a couple wigs and wags away from getting a super duper 35 spline rock hammer of an axle under square D.

What I was thinking was getting the air locker unit from Randys and using the stock axles since not being a crawler, I don't think I'll be breaking anything, however with 37" tires you are starting to get into the range. 40" and bigger, definitely upgrade. But then again with upwards of 1300 ft/lbs of torque, I just might be there already.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 12, 2014, 07:30:31 PM
however with 37" tires you are starting to get into the range. 40" and bigger, definitely upgrade. But then again with upwards of 1300 ft/lbs of torque, I just might be there already.

When it doubt, go big or go home. At least that's what I've heard, I'm still stock.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on November 13, 2014, 10:56:37 AM
however with 37" tires you are starting to get into the range. 40" and bigger, definitely upgrade. But then again with upwards of 1300 ft/lbs of torque, I just might be there already.

When it doubt, go big or go home. At least that's what I've heard, I'm still stock.
I wholeheartedly believe that you will want the chromoly axles, but agree that you are not in competition and the superjoints may be more maintenance heavy than they are useful. I would get the standard chromo kit, and I do believe that you need it with your power to tire size ratio. I absolutely believe that you should keep the 3.54 gears, and that you should re-bearing/rebuild every aspect of this front diff, keeping with the theme of making sure things are how they should be, new or better. I'll send you a parts list. Check your personal email.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 13, 2014, 11:14:51 AM
Got the email Tate
Sent you a reply
I think we're about to make a decision and show the world some of these cool parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: streetrodchev on November 17, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
Not sure if you know, your Dana 60 will have 35 spline inners already.  Dodge went to the smaller inner shafts in '94 when they went to the coil spring suspension.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 17, 2014, 12:49:30 PM
Not sure if you know, your Dana 60 will have 35 spline inners already.  Dodge went to the smaller inner shafts in '94 when they went to the coil spring suspension.
I didn't know until a few days ago, when Tate reminded me. He's from Randy's Ring and Pinion, a moderator here and on top of things!
What we decided to do for now was keep the stocker inner (long) axles, and add new joints along with the 35 spline forged outers to fit Randy's super strong hubs. Later on, I might add in the upgraded inner axles.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on November 19, 2014, 12:32:45 PM
Wow, a lot to read, but I finally got caught up!  Not much input other than I love the way the truck is looking and the progress you've made so far.  Keep it up Chief...   ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on November 19, 2014, 12:34:22 PM
Looking good... 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 12:41:27 PM
Ash,

There you are!

Hey, I know you won't leave that Dodge alone

So

How's about a Ash build thread on her?

You already did a bunch of stuff, so let's see it in your own thread where we can track it's and your progress!

Yea, I know about the Chevy. Someone got a deal!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on November 19, 2014, 12:45:18 PM
Nice looking rig there Ash. Are you planning to go all out with it like you did the dmax?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:13:51 PM
OK, back to squareness

Another build day, although today will look more like a build down rather than a build up day.

We are going to make Tate happy today.

First, I went over to Randy's newest warehouse in Florence only 20 minutes away. There I both picked up my parts, new Spicer joints and new forged 35 spline stub axles and met Mike the manager of that place. I'll no doubt be seeing him a lot in the years to come.

Before all that I wanted to brand the truck with the web site, so I had a vinyl decal, actually, decals made. They work well, but with only 2" letters, I am not happy. Further the font I picked looks totally girly, so it will be short lived while I man up the next set.

Here's the first iteration:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:16:36 PM
Gotta get some WW2 Armee letterin'
Maybe have Bobby come down and spray it on and overspray some things!

OK, the next thing was to get the front axle broken down and removed so I can take it over to the shop in the morrow to get that locker installed.

Here's what it looked like before I started
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:18:18 PM
With the weight off the springs, they drooped a bunch (That's a good thing)

This will define how long the shock needs to be, and will be a good place to take a measurement for the limit strap this suspension will soon have.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
As always, when this all goes back together it will not look like this exactly. A lot of stuff is going to get upgraded.

The spring plates which you may recall were heavily rusted and restored will go bye-bye. In their place will be some Ruff-Stuff plates with adjustable sway bar link mounts. Those will be accompanied by a new Addco Sway bar of 1 1/8" to augument the rear sway bar. I will also add some urethane bump stops and finally sort out the shocks and get something good in there to control all that weight should things get frisky

So after some wrenchin' the axle gave way and is now in the ready mode to be loaded onto the trailer tomorrow for the short drive to the shop
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:28:42 PM
Looks a little empty up there once again
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:31:38 PM
I have learned that Dodge offered a pretty robust Dana 60 in these 1st gen trucks. They are all the way up to a 35 spline inner (Huge) axle which they attached to smaller 30 spline outer axles.

A quick call to Tate and he made all of that much better. I will now have matching 35 spline outer shafts as well and those will be fitted to his ultra HD hubs which replace the warn units which are known to fail.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:33:11 PM
Just look how much larger the 35 spline shafts from Randy's are compared to the stock stuff:
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:33:49 PM
And forged from 4340 steels!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 05:34:33 PM
And that, boys and girls is the end of a short build day 187
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 19, 2014, 07:12:20 PM
Yea, girly font- bummer, everything else about it looks good!

Big difference in axles for sure, but the stockers weren't that whimpy looking!  Kinda like killing haji with a 30-06 or a .50 Cal Barrett............really dead or mushy parts........still dead!

I'm start un to think you hang pictures in the house for the Frau with a 3lb maul....... ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 07:38:35 PM
Here are examples of the fonts I want to use, however none of the vinyl decal folks offer it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on November 19, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
You would think someone would have those. Might have to look outside of Kintucky, where they teach literature. hahaha


Have you tried this place Don? On their site, they even except your own "artwork"....kinda looks as tho they do everything.
http://www.signarama.com/home
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 09:06:09 PM
You would think someone would have those. Might have to look outside of Kintucky, where they teach literature. hahaha


Have you tried this place Don? On their site, they even except your own "artwork"....kinda looks as tho they do everything.
http://www.signarama.com/home
Found em bro!
Already ordered them plus a bunch of other decals like "diesel" and "Max press 40" and things like that. Cheaper too and the font used was called....Army!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
Been looking for an hour for the backing plates or dust shields for the front brakes. No can find! GRRRRRR!

Mine are bent up and thin from rust. Yep, I reconditioned them, but they really need to be replaced
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on November 19, 2014, 09:16:44 PM
Yeah, too bad about the font. At least you've found one now, and now you know what size you need. Wow that front end is really empty looking.
Any word on the transmission woes?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 07:42:19 AM
Yeah, too bad about the font. At least you've found one now, and now you know what size you need. Wow that front end is really empty looking.
Any word on the transmission woes?
Got a cool looking "banner" coming in a week or so, that looks proper to this project.

The transmission is a quandary for me.
It has presented some obstacles that are proving to be beyond my scope and knowledge. Granted I can't do some things...Although I am a bit of a study of nuclear engineering and physics from days past, I could not operate a fission power station. Nor could I predict economic trends for some wall street firm.

But I see the rebuilding of this transmission as something that a regular guy with some toolage could tackle.

So on one hand, I could take it to the local trans shop, plunk down $650 and it would get done.

But having done that, I wouldn't have documented it's overhaul

If I continue to try and build it myself, and get it to come in within clearances, then I think it would be really cool to essentially have done most things on this truck myself.

Obviously, I purchased the motor already built, but that was only because I just so happened to have stumbled across it while it was being overhauled by a professional who completed the deal by delivering me a completed 6BT.

So my plan is as follows:
I plan to overhaul the other sections of the transmission and get them done. Hopefully, I will find no more issues and it will fit back together. During that time, I hope to figure out why the OD section and the low/reverse sections are out and fix them.

I mean, I feel as though I can do it, but I also feel that I need to take my time to do it right. In the mean time, there is nothing wrong with doing the front axle and the suspension and other things that are better done now without the extra ton of pig iron sitting in the way.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on November 20, 2014, 02:39:58 PM
Looking good Don. Randy must be very happy with all the "business" you give him.

Like the military type lettering, just fits.

Idea for the tranny, why not go to a local shop when they rebuild a similar tranny and watch? You might see that "oh thats it" and find you issue.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 08:51:31 PM
OK, here's tonight's update:
Today we were supposed to carry the axle housing up to Tommy's to get that project moving forward.
However, Mr. Tommy is flat on his posterior with a mega cold. He even told me don't even think about bring it over tomorrow either, instead call first and shoot for a Saturday delivery!
Okey-Doke, Front axle: On hold!

So not to be discouraged, I worked on that transmission for hours today and I believe I made some headway.

First of all, I got that rear band servo built up and installed.
It is a precision steel unit replacing a spindly aluminum piston which apparently is a known failure point, especially when one turns up the pressure as I am planning to do.

Here's the hole in the case where it will reside:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 08:53:11 PM
The part only costs $30 something and is well made

It utilizes the factory springs and retainers
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 08:54:12 PM
After the build up and a liberal coating of assembly lube
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 08:58:22 PM
Next it is carefully wiggled and "Screwed" into the bore paying attention not to damage the flange style seal
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
Getting ever closer!

Getting back to that pesky reverse/low clutch pack I had several problems from before. First, I could not get the piston to slide into the bore and over the inner seal to save my life. This time I coated it with assembly lube and pushed like I was going for gold...I won!

Secondly, you may recall that I was coming up with way too much clearance so to solve that I simply added an old steel onto the outside of the reaction plate and snapped the wavy snap ring into place. I was rewarded with a clearance right at .100"
The desired clearance is from .082" to .151" so I am walking the dog in the low-middle range, good enough.

That clutch pack is now literally "In the bag!"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:04:24 PM
Riding the crest of that wave of success, I pressed on.

Next the direct clutch pack came into view
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:05:10 PM
A couple snap rings later and it, too, was in pieces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
The shaft and gear is one place that is placed under severe stresses and the aftermarket answers the problem with an exotic and very expensive part. Of course, with reliability uttermost with this square D project, I shelled out the coin.

Here are the stock and billet parts side by side:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:09:08 PM
The old part still had the piston in place, but that critter was cleaned up, new seals installed, then it was mated to the new billet shaft and gear

This is one nice part
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:10:23 PM
And here is the piston reinstalled
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:11:20 PM
New seals were installed onto the shaft
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
Then the two parts were remated
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:13:39 PM
The old clutches were fine, but the steels definitely showed some uneven wear patterns. Not all that bad though
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:18:30 PM
The factory uses 4 clutches and 4 steels. I went up to 6 clutches and 6 steels for a 50% increase in clamping area. I had to play around with the pressure plate and reaction plates though, ending up with a pressure plate that went from .170" thick down to one that was .086"

After doing all that I checked clearances and came in at .038"  The book called for .025" to .045", favoring the lower number. Oddly, RevMax wanted something like .080"- to around .100" but I found that to be an impossibility with running 6 clutches and steels! Weird that they call for six of each, and additional clearances which is impossible with the A518 parts.

After all that, this clutch assembly was also completed and in the bag!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
A colonel Sanders Chicken pot-pie arrived just as I was getting started on the final clutch unit. This last assembly will employ a bunch of the special parts to include this uber expensive billet main shaft along with some steel 5 pinion gear-train parts.

The pot pie won out and this concluded build day 188!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:08:46 AM
This is now build day 189. Basically a continuation of the last trans build day.

But something is becoming painfully obvious to me. This transmission is beyond the scope of the normal guy to assemble. Sure I can bolt it all together, but it is not exact. It is not precise, it is only close in one area and out in many others. Yes all the parts are fitting, but I don't have a reaction plate in the direct clutch. I can't get the clearances to come in in the OD unit. The only clearance I do have I is questionable as it changes as I squeeze oil out from between clutches and steels and then am I actually compressing a spring.
The help I have gotten from RevMax well, hasn't helped at all. When you tell them their parts which are precisely chosen to fit exactly don't even come close, they tell me to take it to a trans shop. Their trans builder couldn't even figure out why some parts were not fitting and threw up his hands. I call bull crap on that. Either they don't know what they are doing, or their parts don't fit as advertised, or they don't care. I will allow they might have been mistaken but then they would have been mistaken on nearly every major area of this transmission. And they did not know that there was an aftermarket rear piston which solved leakage problems!

Seriously that is preposterous and leaves the armature like myself just hanging. I spent the money and all I have is an inop transmission and ill fitting parts.

When building the transmission IAW the dodge shop manual, having just built the main shaft gear train assembly, again, the clearances are out. I should have from .006" upwards to .048". Measuring it, I have something between .050" and .055" and perhaps more. Reading the Dodge FSM, it states that if the clearances exceed the maximum value, I need to fit a thicker snap ring!

THICKER SNAP RING!!!!!!!!!!! What the heck???Who ever saw a snap ring, let alone a selection of thick or thinner snap rings at that exact diameter???? And more, the company that sells that stuff does not sell to the GP, only to shops, so you have to get friendly with a shop just to get the Da#!Q%$!! part.

Tonight was the last straw. Pressing ahead, I tried to fit the rear band and know what? After almost 2 hours...YES, 2 hours of tapping, wiggling, lubing, blessing and everything else I know how to do, the Da#$!)&!! thing still does not fit.

So I'm throwing in the towel. This transmission has proven to be beyond my ability. I'll bet that most people who aren't professionals who rebuild these things do not check the clearances and probably just assembled a piece of junk which will not last.

There are just too many variables to these 727 based transmissions to make it work out without a warehouse to back you up and some one better than RevMax to support you.

Here is the waste of time tonight
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
Here is the gear train assembly just beginning.

This forward planetary gear is a 4 pinion with an aluminum housing with no known aftermarket or better part, so I'll have to keep it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:11:09 AM
Here the sun shell is added
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:12:54 AM
Good parts here, but ill fitting!

The steel (Dull color) planet gear is a good steel 5 pinion whereas the factory supplied a weaker 4 pinion aluminum gear which will go bye-bye
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:13:31 AM
And that fits snugly into the annulus gear
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
Which seemed to fit properly into the sun shell onto the new billet shaft
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:16:54 AM
Then came the bad, bad clearance measurement time. To do it properly, you invert the stack and support it on a block of wood, then use the feeler gage. .006" to .048" is the magic range, but I couldn't get in there and was a wider .055" ish, possibly more. Which is consistent with everything else in this transmission, and is out of spec! >:(
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:18:32 AM
OK, screw it, I'm pushing on

At least the piston cage for the OD unit was a bolt on. A simple cleaning, a couple gaskets, and a torqueing and that was done
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:20:37 AM
The rear band went right back in
RevMax told me to reuse the old one because they never wear out, so I did. However based on the rest of their advice this thing will probably explode the first time I put the trans in gear!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:26:11 AM
Then after installing in the rear band drum, I started to play with the band apply linkage. The time was around 1530.

It wouldn't fit. I could not get the pin to slide in and the strut kept sliding out and I kept dropping things and more and more. Then I'd put it down and walk away and read the manual, and take it apart and reinstall it and get frustrated, and...

Well I heard a car door slam outside, which was my wife coming home. A quick glance of the watch, five minutes till 6!!!!!!!! Almost 2 and a half hours since I started this fiasco

Well, that was the straw...I'm done. The next thing I do to this trans will be to box up the parts and take them to someone...This has not been fun. I have wasted a lot of time and proven nothing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 7: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 11:27:26 AM
So this is it...I'm done
Not screwing with this thing any more
End of a build day and the waste of maybe 25-30 hours!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 22, 2014, 12:22:42 PM
At least, you know the quality of the clean-up, paint job and the replaced parts you're able to get assembled.  Wherever you end up taking it should be able to tell you the what and why it wouldn't work together and you can pack-up the left overs and ship to the company of origin and tell them to credit your account or you'll dispute the entire charges through your "plastic" financial company, and post your results via the old site and this one!

Remember that all things happen for a purpose-
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on November 22, 2014, 02:12:46 PM
lets take a step back and breath don.  it really sounds like its time to call the SME over at Inglewood transmission and have him guide you thru this process?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
Nate,
Not that simple...There is literally a question every 5 minutes. Well, what the heck is this? Or the pic shows a one piece gasket, I have a two piece one. In the pic there are two flat washers, but RevMax says remove both of them and reduce the clearance...then of course none of that actually works out.
Nah, I would make an enemy real fast for bothering Mike so much, then still have to ship the trans off to someone.

Today, I did locate a guy who builds Chrysler transmissions. I was talking to Tommy who is about to build my Dana60. He owned a 1,000 HP Cummins puller. He has had one of this guy's transmissions in his truck for 2 years now with nary a problem. I think he may be the right man for the job, and he's local.

Would love to get Mike L to do this trans but Kali is a long way and I'd like to be there when it is assembled.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
On a good note, I got the manly lookin' new banner for the side of the truck. It is a bit large, but definitely all military lookin'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on November 23, 2014, 01:03:13 AM
I talked to Mike about these trannys since he is out here. He said he doesn't touch em, just the Allys.

Still good work and someone local. Wasted time, no. You learned and enjoyed it even without it just coming together.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 08:31:24 AM
From what I am hearing, none of these transmissions come together exactly. They take a lot of "Tuning" and "Adjusting" with odd ball things like thicker snap rings to make the clearances work out. Perhaps this is the reason for the reduced reliability of the things...the fact that most of them are put together incorrectly!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 06:37:38 PM
Well, after church today, I fussed with the transmission some more, and again it proved to show me I do not understand why it is not fitting together correctly. Now the low/reverse band linkage.
You may recall I replaced the existing piston with a super-duper steel thicker one. I don't know if that is why, but the exact same lever, strut, follower and pin as well as the same drum and actual band, and that pin will only slide in if I compress the piston in the bore a bunch, like almost 1/8" from bottoming out. Then while you are forcing the pin in the case the band is so tight on the drum, even with the adjuster backed all the way off, that the drum is locked solid.

That is just not right!

So I decided to abandon it again and remove the girly decal and put the proper man style decal on in its place.

First I taped off the reference line just at the break on the body panel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 06:40:16 PM
Then I carefully peeled the lettering off the backing and laid it up little by little until I had it where I wanted.

Next time I am going to do this over a soapy panel so I can get a chance to move it if it isn't exactly where I wanted. Luckily, it fell in where I thought it ought to be.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 06:41:50 PM
The maximum tire pressure with two piece rims really is 40 and these wheels could kill if over inflated so in case someone else is using my truck, meaning I am no longer viable, I thought they should know
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 06:45:04 PM
I also had labels made for the fuel and water/alcohol filler necks on the side
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 06:46:40 PM
And here are those applied:
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 06:48:32 PM
The left side
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 06:49:12 PM
And the end of a couple hours work on build day 190
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 23, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
Those look great!  I was going to suggest the soapy water/squeegee trick- but with all the dust built up on things, that'd be a mess! (Insert pokey guy here)  ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 23, 2014, 08:49:55 PM
If you have another, right under the rear window on the topper would be a good place for it. Seems like a relatively flat area, and one that is easily viewed by people come up behind D2 on the road.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2014, 09:26:57 PM
I think it would be too long for that...It is over 7 feet long

I purchased 5. Two for SquareD, Two for C-Max, and one in case I screwed up.

Then I still have the girly ones left...Maybe I'll plaster them on the Frau's Caddy
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on November 23, 2014, 09:50:12 PM
Man those turned out great, and really fit well with that truck. good job hombre!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 23, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
I think it would be too long for that...It is over 7 feet long

I purchased 5. Two for SquareD, Two for C-Max, and one in case I screwed up.

Then I still have the girly ones left...Maybe I'll plaster them on the Frau's Caddy

Time to break out the stencils and cardboard and return to the lower enlisted/NCO time frame and spray paint, in keeping with font stylization.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2014, 07:42:51 AM
I think it would be too long for that...It is over 7 feet long

I purchased 5. Two for SquareD, Two for C-Max, and one in case I screwed up.

Then I still have the girly ones left...Maybe I'll plaster them on the Frau's Caddy

Time to break out the stencils and cardboard and return to the lower enlisted/NCO time frame and spray paint, in keeping with font stylization.
Well, that's the style for the T-Shirt, but not the truck...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 24, 2014, 09:15:01 AM
Well, that's the style for the T-Shirt, but not the truck...

I see.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on November 24, 2014, 10:53:16 AM
Yes. that looks great Don. Now it just needs the rest of the truck.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on November 24, 2014, 12:52:36 PM
So, note to self.....

Never touch a transmission...  Check...

Everything else looks great.  Keep pushing forward.   :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2014, 02:49:58 PM
So, note to self.....

Never touch a transmission...  Check...

Everything else looks great.  Keep pushing forward.   :)

It's definitely a push and push back.

Start on transmission, then 2 weeks later find out you can't do it

Try to find a trans guy...he does not return calls

Pull front axle

Axle guy is busy, takes a week to 10 days longer just to get it there

And that's why this thing is taking so long...

But in the end it will get done (I think) and it will have all been worth it (I think)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
Good news: I found a transmission builder who is both good and cost effective. Has a lot of knowledge with this transmission, used to do five or more a week!

When I mentioned the various problems I was having he just chuckled and said, yep, know all about that! He assured me he has a selection of the snap rings in various thicknesses. He said the trans wouldn't break if he was allowed to do some drilling and machining to increase oil flow in the thing. When I mentioned 600-700 HP he said that wouldn't even stress this thing, he had built them to handle much more.

So plan is to get that over to him in the morning and let him do the magic.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on November 24, 2014, 03:51:52 PM
Don't beat yourself up over having to call in reinforcements... there's a reason there are shops all over the place that only work on transmissions.

Keep your head up hoss
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 25, 2014, 05:30:54 PM
So, note to self.....

Never touch a transmission...  Check...

Everything else looks great.  Keep pushing forward.   :)

It's definitely a push and push back.

Start on transmission, then 2 weeks later find out you can't do it

Try to find a trans guy...he does not return calls

Pull front axle

Axle guy is busy, takes a week to 10 days longer just to get it there

And that's why this thing is taking so long...

But in the end it will get done (I think) and it will have all been worth it (I think)

Oil change = Jiffy Lube -30 mins............(pokey rib guy)  ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Bob Smith on November 25, 2014, 06:20:46 PM
So my mentor always said, two things to leave to someone else to rebuild, Auto transmissions and 4 barrel carburetors.
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Post by: Dustoff35 on November 25, 2014, 08:56:47 PM
Those decals look much better...
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2014, 09:23:35 PM
Those decals look much better...
Copy that!

I thought they might be too big, but after applying them, I think the fit is GTG!

Moving on, I took the transmission parts over to the trans shop today. There I hooked up with Steve the owner who seemed happy to get into this hot rod project.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
Pro Transmission is located in Erlanger, KY
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2014, 09:25:43 PM
Here's the last time these parts will be in the hands of an amateur!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2014, 09:29:51 PM
Steve, the owner glanced over the parts as we sortied them into his shop. Immediately he said, "That piston is in upside down!"

Remember how I worked hours trying to get the pin and linkage to fit
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2014, 09:33:52 PM
Funny, but the next piece he pulled out of the pile was the direct clutch. He took just a glance and immediately noticed there was no pressure plate, not reaction plate.
RevMax said I was to use 6 clutches and steels, but that means no pressure plate, nor reaction plate. Steve said that wouldn't work at all, and there is no way 6 clutches will fit, only the factory 4 or possibly five with a thinner reaction plate. He did mention though that yes, you can get thinner plates and clutches, but what do thin pieces of metal do when they get hot?? Warp!

So he likes to keep thicker steels in there to prevent warping
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2014, 09:37:58 PM
He has a busy shop and seems to really know what he is doing. He will even drill larger oil holes in those billet shafts. He loves to flood the working end of the transmission with cool fluid. His theory is that the factory hole does not allow enough fluid to enter beneath the sun gear. Therefore the bushing located there heats excessively and can "Walk" a bit and if it does it will close off the oil hole completely and cook the trans. He loves to keep a lot of cool oil in there to prevent this and from what he says, has good luck with this and newer transmissions of the Chrysler DNA.

We'll see... Build day has been set for the first of the upcoming week!
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Post by: Sammconn on November 25, 2014, 10:48:08 PM
Immediately appears you have found the right man for the job!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on November 26, 2014, 05:59:35 AM
Sweet
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 07:46:30 AM
Immediately appears you have found the right man for the job!

I think so!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:00:50 PM
OK, so while we wait out the days until Monday, and get through Thanksgiving weekend, Let's get some meaningful work done.

Since I am already into learning things I have no business learning, I decided to get the transfer case rebuilt, painted up and ready to get reinstalled.

Because, know what?? When that trans gets carried home, It gets reattached to the engine as an assembly, and that big mass of Detroit know-how gets lowered back into place in the chassis. Well, as long as the axle is residing there and there are some tires and wheels bolted up.

Anyway, the transfer case got nasty, collecting more dirt and cat hair than your average left wing hippie!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
That's a big old all American NP 205 indestructible piece of mechanical simplicity. Totally reliable, simple, bullet proof, and gas guzzling heavy, it once resided in not so heavy 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with really big engines. It is a well sought after piece and will live out it's days behind Square D's Powerplant.

I started by pulling off parts in the driveway because it was full of oil

Notice that the speedo reduction adapter was leaking some oil. Also notice that the frame high breather has mud residue on it's inside! The new vent will be located in much higher and better circumstances
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:06:22 PM
Oil mostly drained I lifted that heavy critter onto my makeshift work bench/welding table and continued tearing it down
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:07:43 PM
The rear output came out and of course the roller bearings scattered all over. No worries it is getting new ones
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:12:38 PM
Then the front output shaft
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:13:38 PM
Then the PTO cover
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
Next I pulled the 4WD indicator sending unit, and the detent
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:21:02 PM
Here the input adapter housing is coming off
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:23:21 PM
Next is the forward output gear assembly
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:25:40 PM
Here, the shift rail assembly is being removed. This part is tricky, having a couple roll pins inside the case that need to get tapped out with a punch.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:27:15 PM
Then the next output
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:29:46 PM
And that leaves the case with only the idler gear assembly which is a really big one. This takes some wiggling to get out of the largest hole in that Iron case
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:31:50 PM
I wanted to get a bit ahead and get the first of three cleanings done. The first cleaning is a degreasing inside and out, then a pressure washing with scalding hot water. I did that to the case and have to say, it doesn't look all that bad
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:33:22 PM
Everything that moves, rubs, seals, or pivots will get replaced with fresh parts. I purchased an all inclusive NP205 overhaul kit
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:34:46 PM
The factory input bearing cage looks wimpy next to this big chunk of aluminum Shawn sent me last summer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:38:18 PM
The output bearing collar is special (just like me) as well. It has the steel part which will serve as the base for a future mount. The sleeve welds to the stub end, then I will construct an whole new cross member to support that case. The factory does not support all that weight, it just hangs there on the back of the trans. Square D is better than all than nonsense. Plus the extra cross member will help stiffen the frame and possibly serve as a skid plate mount
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
The other small parts are soaking to soften the grime that I thought I had blasted off earlier

The case will get painted white to show leaks. The brackets and linkages will get the Lycoming gray and some of the bolts and small hardware parts will bet black to fight rust from starting

The bag is a small trick I use. Just dump your part into a baggie, the add your degreaser. Come back a day later and rinse the part(s) clean and they are ready for paint.

Any how, that's it for Build Day 191, Thanksgiving eve, 2014

Happy thanksgiving all!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on November 27, 2014, 12:09:44 AM
Did a 205 when I was a younger lad. It was easy and everything was solid and I replaced all but the new billet housings you have. Mine was hanging on an Art Carr 700R4 with a custom shaft. I had a TCI before that and my little SBC blew it up!! Then I blew up the Art Carr too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Anyway I built a rear mount for mine as you are referring too. It had 2 bosses on the side that worked great!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on November 27, 2014, 08:03:30 AM
If you bring over all the ferrous metal parts; case, yokes, covers etc, I can strip and de-rust them in my electrolytic rust removal tank...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 27, 2014, 08:46:19 AM
If you bring over all the ferrous metal parts; case, yokes, covers etc, I can strip and de-rust them in my electrolytic rust removal tank...

Well, I'd say if we can do it tomorrow.
I have an aggressive schedule to have the case painted by tomorrow evening so if I get any spare time Sunday afternoon, I can reassembly

How long does it take?
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:32:39 PM
OK, time demands, that being my goal of getting the case painted today precluded me from de rusting the parts at Duane's using his nifty chem bath thing he built.
I have been getting on him to post some more on that Power Wagon build he has, which might include the de-rusting of some parts, but I'm not seeing anything...just sayin...

So the wire cup brush on the red grinder was up to bat!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:33:15 PM
It does a pretty good job but is definitely time consuming
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:35:28 PM
THese parts like everything else were in great condition once I knocked off the scale and the crud
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:37:12 PM
This is all a part of the cleaning process. First I degreased and scrubbed the big parts and soaked the small ones. Next I used the grinder/wire brush and finally I chemically cleaned them with brake cleaner wiping and recleaning until the cloth would come away mostly clean.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
That cleaning included the inside of the case and once all that was cleaned it was time for the acid etching primer, which you see here
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
Then the gasket surfaces were taped off and the parts sprayed all over with a thin coat of the acid primer
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
Next up I applied three wet coats of the Nason Acrylic Enamel with hardener which was the same process I used with success on the transmission case
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:42:10 PM
The case tag cleaned up nicely and was galvanized, so I'll just clear coat that and bolt it back on
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
These parts will get the same acid primer but will get Lycoming gray because they are stressed parts and not leak prone ones. Be a nice contrast anyway
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 03:45:26 PM
May not look like much but that was hours worth of work right there and I met my goal of having the case painted and ready for reassembly by COB today.

So that wraps up BD 192
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 28, 2014, 05:27:14 PM
You going to update your Np205 thread?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 28, 2014, 07:59:11 PM
What are you talking about?

I just did...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on November 28, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
What are you talking about?

I just did...


I was talking about this one:

http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=394.0

But, I re-read it, and it's JR's. I thought it was your's, but I wasn't paying attention when I read it when it was posted. My bad for the confusion.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on November 29, 2014, 11:07:39 PM
That was a cut and paste from another site I used when talking about the 205 vs the 203 sometime back. 

You just can't beat the 205, but most of you know that. Sure would like that behind my alli 1000 and have a stick to boot.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:08:36 PM
Concur! The NP203 when converted to part time was OK, but a good old Iron/gear 205 is king in my book. I'll get argument here, but for my purposed this NP205 will meet and exceed my expectations

Now today being Sunday, I didn't get back into the chock blocks until around 1530 ish so I barely had a couple of hours to get something done. I had set as a goal, to simply have the remainder of the parts painted so I could reassemble the T-Case early in the week.

I did that and a bit more

Let's examine
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:11:24 PM
Looking at the freshly painted case, I realized a goodly part of the side of the case in the previous pic wasn't covered up, but actually just exposed to the elements. So I had to go back and tape off the area around the gaskets and shoot the bare iron with the etching primer. I'm afraid that's all it is going to get as anything more will require a full repaint. THis will suffice as a good barrier to corrosion.

The rest of the parts stand at the ready for cleaning and reassembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
I cleaned the hardware I was going to reuse and painted it on all sides. It will be ready and dry by tomorrow
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:13:35 PM
Then came the good part...I was ready to start to reassemble the T-Case
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
First up, I would be removing the races in preparation for new ones along with the new cone bearings
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:16:13 PM
I knocked the old races out with a punch, then tapped the new ones home with this aluminum seal/bearing install tool
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
That was the idler gear, the big ole' boy that sits right in the middle of things. It would be going in first.

Next the shift rail seals were pried out and new ones installed
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
Then I loosely assembled the two cone bearings into their new races along with the spacer and shim on the inside, then worked that into the case, and tapped the idler pin through everything. To my pleasant surprise, it all fit first time!

The nut was then tightened and that part is done
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2014, 07:22:31 PM
With time running out, it was time to mix the Acrylic enamel and spray the hanging parts which will be going onto the T-Case in a little bit. And that concluded my brief interlude with this not so perplexing Transfer case.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:24:36 PM
Well for tonight's installment, I am going to show you how to assemble a NP205 the wrong way. I would have scrapped this installment altogether, however the bearing replacement, shift rails and some other things are correct, and because I want you to see that things can fit in the wrong hole and look like they belong there.

I used the FSM and my aux laptop which is going to become a part of square D in the future. Here it is displaying a link showing the rebuilding of another NP205
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:25:48 PM
To finish off the idler gear and shaft installation, the cap was set in place with a gasket and sealer, then tightened
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:27:25 PM
Next are the shift rails...so far so good. The long one gets installed first
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
Then the shift fork slides onto the shaft as you push it deeper into the case. It only goes in one way, and I think I had to learn that lesson about 4 times
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:31:33 PM
Next I swapped out the old bearing for a new one on what I thought was the forward output shaft. This is actually the input shaft from the transmission, but I managed to get it into the wrong hole. It needs to go in before the following shift fork
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:34:21 PM
The bearings I installed all had an extra ball or two. This one had 2 extra rollers and had steel cages, instead of the plastic cages on the old bearings, These definitely have a greater capacity!

Showing the position of the second shift fork before installation of the incorrect gear
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:35:46 PM
The shift rails are actually in correctly, but the input gear is now residing where the front output needs to be...OUCH!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:36:47 PM
Input shaft where the front output needs to be...WRONG!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:38:10 PM
These roll pins pin the shift fork to the sliding shaft. This would be the first of many times of my installing, then removing, then installing once again!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:39:06 PM
Here you can see the output shaft bearing. Again it has an extra ball and a steel cage...better part!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:40:08 PM
And it fits here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:41:28 PM
The output gear is a stack up of parts. These three go in first followed by the larger gear unit.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:44:47 PM
Here's the rest of that stack of gears, that is all wrong for where it is going to be (temporarily) installed.

I had to break it down to replace about a hundred roller bearings on the inside. I held them in place with assembly lube while stacking everything back together.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:45:45 PM
New rollers finding their new home:
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
I used a new better snap ring
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:48:04 PM
And here it is sitting in the wrong hole! It needs to be opposite of what you are looking at!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:49:39 PM
The new bearing retainer gets a new seal and is clearly larger than the spindly factory one
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:50:41 PM
And here it is installed (Temporarily) as I was just about to figure out I put both shafts in the wrong holes!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2014, 09:52:53 PM
Well it was at this point when I test fitted the output shaft yoke and found it was way bigger than the splines...WHAT? THE THING SHRANK!

No, it's in the wrong hole(s). With 30 min to shower time prior to busting out to go feed the homeless, I pulled it all apart and walked out one angry not so young man.

And that is the end of a very dysfunctional build day 194!
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Post by: BobbyB on December 01, 2014, 10:05:00 PM
Yea, I'll pass on that.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 01, 2014, 11:20:15 PM
I think I laid mine out even though it looked easy enough.

Nice on the plastic. I have a regular formed keyboard cover on my garage Laptop.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Bob Smith on December 01, 2014, 11:44:01 PM
Practice, practice, practice, maybe need to take a few photos as you tear things down?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 08:17:09 AM
Practice, practice, practice, maybe need to take a few photos as you tear things down?

Ah, I'll figure it out.

No where near as complicated as that transmission

And

The transmission is done...Yep, ready for pickup!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on December 02, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
did he take pics and do a detailed write up or no?  :D
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
did he take pics and do a detailed write up or no?  :D
Nate,

He took some.

Basically he disassembled the thing and started fresh. He found lots of mistakes. The blue piston I had installed that had given me such a fit, remember that? Well I had folded both the inner and the outer seal in the process. He corrected clearances, replaced a couple more bushings, increased oil flow in places, and set things up right. He even came up with some new filter assembly that tucked down into the pan deeper.
It looks good, and I'll post the detailed write-up tomorrow
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:04:23 PM
...And I kicked butt on the transfer case today...It's done!

Now only the front axle and the whole bees wax drivetrain is complete!

I started the day by picking up the rebuild trans. Here's Steve showing off his good work!

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:07:01 PM
Yup, trans in the boot, or trunk or cargo area, heck it's in the back of the car!

Transfer case started with my finishing pulling it down, then I started back up with switching things into the proper holes, then I pressed a new bearing into the back cover
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:08:17 PM
Here's the proper parts fitted into the proper holes
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:09:52 PM
And the forward out shaft seal and bearing retainer actually installed for good!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:11:12 PM
I had to remove the factory dust shield so the old yoke would clear the new larger bearing retainer
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:12:37 PM
Then the rear cover got a new gasket
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
And installed
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:14:56 PM
Next the input adapter got a new bearing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:47:42 PM
Correction:

That is an output bearing retainer assembly and here it is getting it's internals and new parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:49:01 PM
Then it got it's new bearing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
This new output bearing retainer is part of the new rear transfer case mount system I will be installing

Obviously much thicker, it has a steel assembly that clamps to it and is fitted to a poly mount. With it this drivetrain will be well secured
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:52:47 PM
And here it is fitted to the output assembly
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
Next up, the rear yoke is bolted to the driven shaft
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:56:33 PM
Now the input housing gets a double seal, one to seal off the transmission, and another to seal off the transfer case.

This seal had failed in the original case as that cavity had a goodly puddle of transmission fluid in it
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:58:03 PM
Then both the input housing and the output bearing retainer were bolted to the case
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 07:59:58 PM
Time now to rebuild the rear output geartrain. It got all new roller bearings which I packed in red grease to hold them in place while assembling the parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 08:03:35 PM
I'm tired...long day.
Let me correct myself again. That last set of photos shows the roller bearings installed in the wrong place. They fit much deeper into the gear shaft, making installing them a bit of a headache. Heavy grease is absolutely necessary to hold them there as this whole unit gets inverted to nest it onto the other half of the gear

But fit it does after some twisting, tweaking, taping and shaking
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
I found these trick little detent balls and spring assemblies. They make the shift from 2H to 4H to 4L very crisp and positive. Word on the street is that these jewels are the ticket for single shift lever transfer case operation
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2014, 08:06:21 PM
And that wraps up a really productive build day 195
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 02, 2014, 10:57:17 PM
We want you to practice short video clips with sound- SquareD will be running some time this year, and WE ALL want to hear it purr when it finally does! :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: YlwNova72 on December 03, 2014, 06:27:46 AM
Don one thing to look into while doing the wiring is to install a brake light interrupter switch so that if your being followed you can defeat those pesky brake lights.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:27:12 AM
Don one thing to look into while doing the wiring is to install a brake light interrupter switch so that if your being followed you can defeat those pesky brake lights.

I like that

But going one better, I have been thinking about a day/night mode

In "Night" mode, all normal lighting will be inactive and only NVG lighting will be activated

Sort of like a master light switch. I figure I'll install a switch that controls the power or the ground...probably the latter since it reduces the possibility of a fire. That way if I need to get tactical, switch to NVG or Tactical or night mode and I'll have only Black out type lighting.

I am doing my reading...and I can vary the color of LED's with voltage. I want a setting to get very dim and blue green. Or I might just get a used Army Black out light assembly or two, or just run strictly with the NVG's

Over my career I operated all sorts of helicopters using no light at all and only NVG and doing some pretty crazy stuff while doing all that. So that is a consideration as well for me...but for less qualified folks like my little rangers, I might want to give them the "Little light" option

Whatever I do, I think it will be unique and cool for this truck
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on December 03, 2014, 12:05:38 PM
don, i believe the mil light switches are 24v.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on December 03, 2014, 01:24:39 PM
You wont always be young and have a set of fresh eyes...

That low light option might benefit you as well one of these days...

Or if you take shrapnel to one eye, or both, and only have partial vision.  Will the NVGs still be effective?  Seems like a low light option would be better suited for down the road...

Just my humble, not having a clue, opinion...

Every thing else looks good.  Wish that trans would have come together as easily as the transfer case!!!   :P
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Hey Ash...

Yep, I gooned up that transmission. Imagine if I would have put it all together and been fighting trans problems while sorting a new P-Pump motor going into a VE motor chassis. I would have had to remove it and paid to fix it while fighting the headache of doing all that extra work.

I think God might have been looking after me in the long run.

Good logic on the illum switchology...I'll have to think that one out a little better.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 02:30:31 PM
don, i believe the mil light switches are 24v.

Bet you're right

That just made me think of something

Why wouldn't I want to upgrade the electrical system to 24 volt...For the starting and other automotive needs it is a more efficient voltage.

Anyone have knowledge on this question/matter?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 03, 2014, 02:39:31 PM
The factory wiring would be fine...light bulbs are easy to acquire....the hardest parts to find would be the shutdown solenoid, starter, and alternator....then if there's anything electrical on the trans?.?..
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:11:13 PM
OK on the electrical discussion, although that was too short and too little to gain any good decision making information.

So today was all about changing up the shop in prep for what is coming, which are several big projects. Those being the assembly of the drivetrain outside of the vehicle, the installation of the improved front axle, and the installation of the drivetrain back into the chassis after a long absence.

I started with a pretty big mess. All of this needs to change up to give me a lot more room to assemble larger and heavier things
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:13:38 PM
So I brought in some reinforcements in the form of hydraulics and diesel powered energy. First I carried Duane's awful looking engine crane which I think he gave to me, but not sure. Anyway that will be used in the not too distant future so time to bring it up. And because the next time I mix up some Lycoming gray paint, I'm going to spray that nasty looking thing and update it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
That Deere 4720 is a Hoss! Boasting 66 gross HP and 60 at the PTO and 4WD with a three speed hydro nuclear bionic transmission that features a brain about twice smarter than the average Black Hawk Pilot, it flat gets things done. Although it uses 4 gallons of fuel a minute, it is a pretty handy little toy.

All that power and all it has to do right now is hold onto all those prudy parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:17:58 PM
Not wanting to trust that old HF 1500 lb engine hoist leveler, I opted for their biggest one today. Here it is:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:21:17 PM
At first I tried to lift the engine with Duane's defective crane, but it wouldn't fit around the engine stand lags, so I cleared off the precious cargo from the tractor's scoop and did the lift with that. The tractor lifted that engine while idling!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:28:43 PM
My welding/grinding table and part time chair is looking sort of bad. I weld up a couple more things on it and I think it's toast, what do you think?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2014, 07:32:37 PM
So at the end of the day, the motor is on the floor and ready to accept more pieces parts. Now if I could just get my knee to work to actually be able to bend down and work on things lower than the beltline.

BTW, tomorrow I visit with the surgeon who is going to talk to me about a replacement knee. I want to get one with a couple extra holes already drilled and tapped so I could bolt stuff on later. Imagine a bolt on leg holster! I'd be the first one with that rig! Or maybe I could bolt up some generator that works a flywheel when I walk so I could recharge my own electrical devices or power my .22 cal mini-mini gun
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 04, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
I like the idea of shutting off the brake lights and a night version. Having no brakelights when someone is following you our chasing you is a great thing. Less reaction time before they hit your bumper.

As for 12v vs 24v, keep it 12v. Sure more amps to crank her over but more options for everything else as well as finding parts.

12v switch vs 24v means nothing, both will work. Just have to watch the draw, more volts=fewer amps and vise versa.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:28:03 PM
OK, let's continue building up the powerplant and transmission assembly

The area is cleaned and the parts gathered
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:29:09 PM
I'll be bolting on this billet ATS flywheel capable of holding all the torque this engine will produce
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:29:58 PM
I selected some new ARP 12 pt. flywheel bolts to hold it on
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:33:09 PM
I'm really liking this phase because parts are flying off the shelves.

Including this thin bell housing adapter. For those who don't know, with respect to Cummins engines, just about any transmission will fit with it's specified adapter. This thin one is made for the VE Cummins motor and the RH-46 (A518) transmission. A change to the RH47 lock-up transmission requires a different adapter, so this part is somewhat unique. I reconditioned it earlier in the build
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:34:49 PM
It goes on first before the flywheel

The bolts were treated to Locktite 242 and torqued to spec
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:35:44 PM
The ARP bolts are of a much stronger construction and material than the factory stuff
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
To torque then, the threads get a coating of Locktite and the underside of the bolt head gets a coating of this assembly lube before being torqued to 120 ft. lbs.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
Then the flywheel and the factory stiffener ring are bolted up and torqued into place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:40:08 PM
The reconditioned factory starter is next. This, too, was rebuilt locally to better than factory specs
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:41:36 PM
Then the torque converter was positioned over the splines and slid home into the case and the transmission dragged into position
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:44:46 PM
That is a special very low stall RevMax converter which I am hoping performs as described.

I worked the transmission up by stacking things under the aluminum pan. After it got more or less in line, I threaded two long bolts through it, then slid it closer. I threaded a few more bolts to make sure it stayed more or less square while I slid it home.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:47:46 PM
After replacing the temp bolts with the permanent ones and torqueing the trans to the bell housing adapter, I secured the oil cooler to the back side and installed the transfer case shifter. The handle got another coat of paint (again)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 05:50:14 PM
Then just like that another build day was all used up.

I still have to secure the torque converter to the flywheel, but that can wait for now

The goal remains to get this thing reinstalled back into the truck so it will all start to look like something that belongs together and not a pile of disassociated parts.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 05, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Dear Santa-

For Christmas this year, we'd ALL like to see a video w/sound of SquareD running!

Looking good there Don'a Claus!  :D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on December 05, 2014, 09:50:24 PM
I'm with Mike. Wanna see and hear this thing running too. Think we're all probably in that boat though. Good to see the ball get pushed a bit farther down the field. One sharp looking power plant!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
We'll hear it
But
Like always
There are a few wrinkles coming right up
The knee
I get a new titanium one 26 Dec.
The recovery from that
then back to a normal life...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 06, 2014, 01:09:56 AM
What a Christmas present Don. Mom had both hers done. You spend 1-2 weeks in rehab, much less really getting back on your feet.

When this is done and you healed up, there has to be some civil unrest just to try it out for real. Not that I'm asking or advocating it, but should Don should not be denied.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 06, 2014, 07:34:33 AM
We'll hear it
But
Like always
There are a few wrinkles coming right up
The knee
I get a new titanium one 26 Dec.
The recovery from that
then back to a normal life...

The Great Candy Bar Fire comes to a close!  Suggestion: don't do a build thread on the knee nor post it on the medical thread!  The photos might cause me to break a cold sweat and ruin morning coffee.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on December 06, 2014, 08:25:29 AM
Things are coming right along, lookin good.  Bad news about the knee.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 06, 2014, 09:34:08 AM
Things are coming right along, lookin good.  Bad news about the knee.



No, good news about the knee

I am nearly crippled right now...have been for some time. Can't lift my leg from the gas pedal to the brake without using my arm to lift it. Other surgeon really screwed me up. I will get a chance to get back to who I really am inside this barely able to walk current shell...NOSSIR it's a berry, berry good thing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on December 06, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
Well good to hear the knee will be fixed up finally. Have a few folks I know that have had them done. One fella was nearly crippled, hobbled along with a cane, really done. He had both done at separate times, and is a new man now. Wouldn't say he could run a marathon, but that was never his style either. Wishing you good luck with the knee when the time comes.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 06, 2014, 06:55:07 PM
Well good to hear the knee will be fixed up finally. Have a few folks I know that have had them done. One fella was nearly crippled, hobbled along with a cane, really done. He had both done at separate times, and is a new man now. Wouldn't say he could run a marathon, but that was never his style either. Wishing you good luck with the knee when the time comes.


Thanks!

Yep, all I need is the right equipment. This old stuff is failing me. Body is worn but spirit is young and willing...

New parts will fix me right up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 07, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
You know, that motor and tranny is just darn purdy, the white still needs to grow on me though.

Scored a 14 bolt FF with looks like 4.11s (matches the dana 60) for just $120 yesterday.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on December 08, 2014, 01:26:03 PM
You know, that motor and tranny is just darn purdy, the white still needs to grow on me though.

Scored a 14 bolt FF with looks like 4.11s (matches the dana 60) for just $120 yesterday.


do you know what year that housing is? ^^ 84-85 are the bad years with the small pilot bearing.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 08, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
You know, that motor and tranny is just darn purdy, the white still needs to grow on me though.

Scored a 14 bolt FF with looks like 4.11s (matches the dana 60) for just $120 yesterday.


do you know what year that housing is? ^^ 84-85 are the bad years with the small pilot bearing.

Real bad or just not as good? Good info to know, now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I think it has a locker, but not sure. Both drums turn solid the same way where an open they normally go opposite. Looks OK inside, solid gears but a little rust as it was sitting. It will get discs.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 09, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
Scored a 14 bolt FF with looks like 4.11s (matches the dana 60) for just $120 yesterday.

Excellent!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 09, 2014, 12:18:06 PM
Not wanting to trust that old HF 1500 lb engine hoist leveler, I opted for their biggest one today. Here it is:

I have one of those hanging on my tool-room wallā€¦

It hasn't been used since I dropped the engine into the Cobra.  I should have sent it with the engine hoist.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 09, 2014, 05:18:12 PM
I see my build thread has once again turned into a DOT chat room....

Well no stoppin' it I guess, kind of like the tides or women's illogical statements...just gonna happen!

Whew, got away with that one...being a man's site and all, I'm hoping there is little danger here, and fewer girly men as well!

OK with the new knee coming right up I am working toward getting the heavy stuff installed and looking down the road a bit. In doing so I was looking at the truck the other day. It had 48" springs in the front, and now has 52" ones. Oddly enough the rears are also 52". That means there is room for a vast improvement back there. Late chebby trucks use 63"-64" springs making the newer offerings more than afoot longer! That is HUGE. There is an absolute ton of better handling and flexibility to be had with those newer springs. So eyes sez to meself, "Self, we needs some knew springs, we do!" So's eyes get on and git ta orderin and measuring' and wonderin' and in the end, just emailed Jungle Jim. He sez "U gonna like thems knew springs you R, git U some and stick em on!" So eyes think i'm gonna do just that

The working theory is that I stay at least one to two projects deep at any given time on this truck...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 10, 2014, 11:58:33 AM
Or, leave the 52's so you have or upgrade them all. Keeping the same length keeps spare parts handy and leave springs do break!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 04:40:57 PM
Or, leave the 52's so you have or upgrade them all. Keeping the same length keeps spare parts handy and leave springs do break!

Naw, I'm going to swap them out.
My chevies always drove great...much more comfortable than the tow Dodge W150's and one Ramcharger I owned back in the day.

It was the springs!

Besides it's a cool project with a good result!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 10, 2014, 06:04:45 PM
Get that sucker done.....almost time for combat max!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 07:52:06 PM
Get that sucker done.....almost time for combat max!!!
Done!!!!!!!!

That's crazy talkin right there

And on this site we will not tolerate the personal use of street pharmaceuticals!

Ken, stop smoking that stuff!

OK, I'm all better

So with all the runnin' around and such I managed to get a couple hours in on Square D

And I made a decision about the front diff without even realizing it.

I'll explain as we roll tonight's story out

So with the thought of getting the front axle back under the truck so I can reinstall the motor, I wanted to finish out the new spring plates.

Two things. First the old ones were pretty severly pitted on the underside. Although they cleaned up nicely, I didn't like how all that turned out, so it was just a matter of time before they got renewed.

Secondly, the sway bar needed a place to hook to and I wanted something better than just the factory setup...I wanted adjustability because the axle can now move forward and aft as I desire, I wanted the sway bar end link to do so as well.

So Ruff Stuff had this neat three hole setup which would work with the supplied front mount, so I built the new plates first
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 07:53:23 PM
Here's how they will get welded up:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 07:54:50 PM
And welded they are!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 07:55:46 PM
And fit they do!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 07:58:22 PM
Next up, the new 35 spline axle stubs (outers) were installed.

First you have to remove the C-clips, then press out the old joints
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:00:07 PM
It's a little scary using a 30 ton press and nearly stalling it before "BANG" the sticking parts let go all at once. Mine did one big bang and flew apart...No more pressing required!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:01:58 PM
A bit more pressing to get the last cap out and the old 12" 30 spline stubby shaft is all done and ready for the scrap heap

Here are the recently divided parts:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:03:37 PM
The new U-Joints are Spicer units that will work fine with the torque and tire size this truck has

They're pretty big!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:05:50 PM
Then back to the press and the reassembly starts with gingerly putting a cap onto the U-joint then getting that to seat, then getting the opposite cap to seat as well without any of the rollers falling out. I was 3 for 4, so I got a little more practice!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:06:50 PM
It presses back together much easier than it came (Exploded) apart!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:09:35 PM
Two new clips keeps the joints from vibrating out
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:11:28 PM
Then the new forged short shafts are assembled to the original short and long axles
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
And that's the end of build day 198
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 10, 2014, 08:59:45 PM
Fine, leave us in suspense...... ???  Axel decision was........ ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 11, 2014, 12:57:33 AM
Yep, got us DOTs again.

I need to run up to Ruffstuff, they are just 45 minutes away. Just have to remember lots of $$$ as they have a lot for the 14b.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 11, 2014, 07:26:44 AM
Fine, leave us in suspense...... ???  Axel decision was........ ::)

Oh, that...

Yea, got busy and went temporarily insane

While building up the axles for some reason I started to think, Oh No! What have I done??? Now I created 35 spline axles and they require the new diff! I got that turned around in my brain as you see, the stock diff is already a 35 spline! I was thinking I just compelled myself to have to install the Zip Locker but in fact, no change other than now I can use the 35 spline manual hubs Randy's makes.

As for the air locker...let me give Duane a call this morning, see if he can hook that smaller trailer up and get over here and carry those diffs over to Pro Transmission. Steve said he could knock that swap out no problem!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: DDS on December 12, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
Big D,
just an fyi, this guy seems to have it all.http://hartford.craigslist.org/ptd/4786438970.html
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on December 12, 2014, 12:34:27 PM
bit of a nice selection there
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 12:42:39 PM
Big D,
just an fyi, this guy seems to have it all.http://hartford.craigslist.org/ptd/4786438970.html


He does have a lot of Cummins stuff!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 12:44:24 PM
Short update: Dropped the axle off at Pro Transmission. Decided to install the locker unit, now I just hope it fits. Thinking they may get into it some today...

Should be installing a zip locker, using the factory 3.54 gears with the full 35 spline axles and the new Yukon hubs.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on December 12, 2014, 01:24:14 PM


Real bad or just not as good? Good info to know, now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I think it has a locker, but not sure. Both drums turn solid the same way where an open they normally go opposite. Looks OK inside, solid gears but a little rust as it was sitting. It will get discs.
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you can verify by checking the od of the pilot bearing. 2.050" or 1.625". (smaller is NLA)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 01:25:33 PM
Wrong thread bro...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on December 12, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
missed all the DOT stuff before I responded 8). Be at peace big D; all the parts are going to sing a symphony for you in that front diff.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 02:01:32 PM
missed all the DOT stuff before I responded 8). Be at peace big D; all the parts are going to sing a symphony for you in that front diff.

Cool
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:07:50 PM
I mentioned that I dropped the two Dana 60's off at the trans shop where Dr. Steve is going to do the magic. I don't have a case spreader and I don't like dropping air lockers onto my footies anyway.

Shawn was really jealous of my stocker D60 cover painted all John Deere green...It's only a dust cover I use to keep bugs and red dogs out of the innards of my rather expensive axles. This one was destined for C-Max and is a super desirable 84-88 Ford high pinion, king pin left drop housing. Pretty much the best that Dana ever built in the 1 ton sizing.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:11:49 PM
Remember recently when I built that new tie rid bar? Well, I might have mentioned I cut it twice and it was still too short!

So I had two ways of dealing with that. 1. would be to leave a lot more of the tie rods sticking out of the threaded adapter than I would prefer, or 2. Buy more DOM and two more threaded adapters and start again.

I had marked the cut line on the earlier piece with 1" tape. Then I cut the inside edge instead of the outside edge.

This is how much thread I had sticking into the threaded end in the "too short" bar
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
I would have liked to have had the extra 1/2" of tie rod threaded into that steel bar.

So

I just started all over again and did it right this time. I measured 49 times then double checked that

This time I got it right
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
With that all looking like it should, the ends were welded up and then everything I had laying around that needed painting got attention...

Heck...

Just realized

I forgot to paint that ugly crane/lift of Duane's....

First came vigorous cleaning
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:16:39 PM
Next the acid etch paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:18:09 PM
Then three coats of the Nason acrylic enamel with hardener
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:26:44 PM
OK, paint is curing, no need to let any grass grow under my feet.

Here, I'm laying out the disconnecting sway bar project I am envisioning

That is a new 1.125" W250 aftermarket sway bar used in the formula 1 race trucks that swept the field of BMW's and Ferraris back in the day.

Well, maybe that isn't true, but it should have been!

Anyway, the concept of the operation here is to cut that sway bar into north and south pieces. Then have those big nuts welded to each end, then have them coupled together by the 1 7/16" socket. I plan to arrange the setup so that a largish spring pushes the socket over both nuts (Sway bar ends), coupling them. Then come up with some sort of lever that I can pull which would pull the socket off of the opposite end, uncoupling the bar and allowing obscene front spring articulation for off roading. Then let the lever go and recouple the bar for slot car handling on the race tracks when I' encounter a tougher than normal Porsche.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 06:30:43 PM
Looking at it now, I'm not sure the bar will survive using the inside mounting locations. That gives the bar a lot of bad leverage against the two links on either end...

Don't know

Have to think this through some more

Anyway that concludes build day 199
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 13, 2014, 01:43:38 AM
I like the idea of the center (east-west) disconnect. No ends hanging loose to catch or line up.

How about just a piece of square tube doing the same thing? Same concept as you have with the bolts.

Use a spring to push 1 side onto the other for normal driving. For a disconnect just us a cable and pull back the sleeve hooking it back onto,,,,,,well thats easy! 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2014, 08:39:03 AM
I like the idea of the center (east-west) disconnect. No ends hanging loose to catch or line up.

How about just a piece of square tube doing the same thing? Same concept as you have with the bolts.

Use a spring to push 1 side onto the other for normal driving. For a disconnect just us a cable and pull back the sleeve hooking it back onto,,,,,,well thats easy! 

Was (Am) considering that, but instead of tubing, using 3/4" or 1" drive extension. Just saw off either end and there you go.

But 6 mating surfaces makes alignment easier (Less movement) and stronger. I am still looking at stuff around that concept/size. I wanted something like a 30 spline with coupling like that on the end of those Dana 60 stub axles. I wonder if there is a 30 spline female adapter anywhere out there?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on December 13, 2014, 02:48:17 PM
Man you are making some great progress on your build.  I'm interested to see how your sway bar comes out.  I'm going to have to do something different on my front one as well.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2014, 04:38:40 PM
Man you are making some great progress on your build.  I'm interested to see how your sway bar comes out.  I'm going to have to do something different on my front one as well.
I have been playing with the Sway bar thing. Getting a stout coupling and getting either half well anchored will be key to getting it to work. So far I have looked at welding on nuts, 3/4" extensions, a 30 spline end from an axle shaft, and a 10 spline PTO shaft from a tractor. Not happy with anything yet...so I'm still in trial and error. The shop building the axle says Monday is the day, so Tuesday-Wednesday that thing gets reassembled and tucked back under Square D
Goal is that huge chunk of Iron sitting back in the frame rails before I go under the knife, day after Christmas.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on December 13, 2014, 05:40:29 PM
There is also the more numerous splined 1000 rpm PTO shaft that may be on the Deere. I'm not sure if there is a source for both halves though. Give a lot more leeway than the 10 spline 540 RPM. I want to say it's something in the 30 or so spline range.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on December 14, 2014, 09:26:22 AM
On the sway bar I've thought about trying to use one of these.

https://polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-Antirock-Sway-Bar-Kits-p-17993.html (https://polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-Antirock-Sway-Bar-Kits-p-17993.html)

Haven't really looked at it close enough to see if it would work on the front of these trucks.  I do have a factory one but when I did the steering gear box support mod that closed off the factory holes on the frame to mount the sway bar too. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2014, 10:57:14 AM
On the sway bar I've thought about trying to use one of these.

https://polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-Antirock-Sway-Bar-Kits-p-17993.html (https://polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-Antirock-Sway-Bar-Kits-p-17993.html)

Haven't really looked at it close enough to see if it would work on the front of these trucks.  I do have a factory one but when I did the steering gear box support mod that closed off the factory holes on the frame to mount the sway bar too. 
You're tracking on the anti rock bar thing
But take a look at the ones that have a disconnect on one side
The guys who make all that jeep suspension
They fashioned up one with a manual hub on one side which you lock or unlock
I called them about it but they were unsure about using it on a heavy truck. Read: Liability
I'd try it although, I want something I can disconnect while in the cab
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 14, 2014, 01:46:15 PM
After some more thought, the trouble with having a long coupler near the center will be the twisting when in use. It may work great when first setup, but after some miles it may twist itself together since most of the torsional forces will be in the center where your thinking about the disconnect.

I think a hub disconnect would be better or even just a good ol pull pin on a heim joint or similar. Fold it, have another place to pin it and your done. Less mass, simple and less stress near the end of the bar.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on December 14, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
even just a good ol pull pin on a heim joint or similar. Fold it, have another place to pin it and your done. Less mass, simple and less stress near the end of the bar.

Too simple to be part of this thread!

However, I agree whole heartedly.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2014, 02:25:06 PM
even just a good ol pull pin on a heim joint or similar. Fold it, have another place to pin it and your done. Less mass, simple and less stress near the end of the bar.

Too simple to be part of this thread!

However, I agree whole heartedly.

Maybe not too simple Bobby

Part of my experimenting a lot of the time has served to prove me wrong...I just need to see it all wronged-up to finally realize it.

NOSSIR I agree with you and JR, a pull pin would be much simpler.

It just wouldn't be a thing to use while on the run, like you just got chased off the highway onto the off road thing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 14, 2014, 03:26:13 PM
You could rig a disconnect easy. Hooking it back up would be manual. Just have the link hooked to a spring that would pull it up out of the way.

You could even use a solenoid like from a doorlock that could work both ways! If that will work with axle disconnect a sway bar should be no problem.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on December 14, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
So I just came across this in the Cmax thread that Ken is tirelessly moving over and it made me LOL for real.

Firstestest, is the fixin' of Square D
 ::)
eyes B needin' basic transportation, and that truck is just a couple rungs of the ladder above peddlin'

So that's the next big adventure. I figure a solid week of well, cutting, grindin' replacin' kleenin' and discoverin' and that old bird will be ready to carry my happy butt around while I accumulate wounds and scar tissue cutting apart the Chebby!

But, yes, I'm gigglin' just a tad bit!

This was last September from the date that Ken had pointed out.
Quite an oil change and a wee bit more than the predicted week...
Carry on then... ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 14, 2014, 08:42:07 PM
I was thinking along the same lines as JR- hook-up a hefty cable like you did for the fuel cut-off and you can "pull" to disconnect and free wheel.  The torsional forces of the opposite action of the front suspension is what makes a sway bar work; cutting it in half and anchoring it to the k member so to speak cuts the helpful reaction way down.

There, I had my intellectual, suspension brain fart for the decade.......going back to bed with nasty congestion head and chest mess.  What a waste of two days!  :'(
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 14, 2014, 09:38:01 PM
So I just came across this in the Cmax thread that Ken is tirelessly moving over and it made me LOL for real.

Firstestest, is the fixin' of Square D
 ::)
eyes B needin' basic transportation, and that truck is just a couple rungs of the ladder above peddlin'

So that's the next big adventure. I figure a solid week of well, cutting, grindin' replacin' kleenin' and discoverin' and that old bird will be ready to carry my happy butt around while I accumulate wounds and scar tissue cutting apart the Chebby!

But, yes, I'm gigglin' just a tad bit!

This was last September from the date that Ken had pointed out.
Quite an oil change and a wee bit more than the predicted week...
Carry on then... ::)

I just had to copy that over....just had to. :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2014, 07:27:44 AM
Just had to ehh (or is it eeh?? Any Canadians want to pipe in here??  ;-))
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on December 15, 2014, 11:10:10 AM
Ehh? I like the duplication Ken! :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 16, 2014, 08:30:26 PM
No pics, but the Yukon Zip-Locker is now installed into the Dodge housing. It is done with the exception of cleaning and perhaps another painting, since it is all scuffed up from being drug all over creation.
The clearances came right out and back lash seems right on. There was a bit of rust on the original 3.54 ring gear from disuse, but that is no issue since it will polish right off as soon as I get those innards turning under power some day soon.

Now to pick it up and transport it back here...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 16, 2014, 11:25:34 PM
There was a bit of rust on the original 3.54 ring gear from disuse, but that is no issue since it will polish right off as soon as I get those innards turning under power some day soon.

We can hardly wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on December 18, 2014, 05:12:12 PM
Nice progress.  Get that front axle in before Christmas!  Be a nice present to yourself...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
Nice progress.  Get that front axle in before Christmas!  Be a nice present to yourself...
OK, Ash, wilco!

Actually that is what the posting is about tonight.
Front axle stuff

So I got it back from the builder. It now has the Yukon Zip Air Locker installed along with the original 3.54 gears. It will be coming back with end to end 35 spline axles and the good hubs.

So before I reinstalled it, I recall that I never went through the bottom bearing for the knuckle. It had new stuff on top, but still decades old bearings on the bottom. So I decided to renew all those and the seals before cleaning and painting it again
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:32:01 PM
Duane and I dumped the housing onto a cart fixture thing I built which I would use to rotisserie the thing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
After wire brushing the housing again, I pulled out what was left from the rebuild kit Tate sent me a year ago
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:34:02 PM
This bottom cap houses the cone bearing that the bottom of the knuckle pivots on
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:35:28 PM
With the top pilled loose as well, the nasty old grease and ancient parts see the light of day for the first time this century!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:36:33 PM
First up, pry off the nasty old grease seal
I have to admit, the thing worked, there was no leaking of grease around this bearing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
The lift the bearing out
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:37:41 PM
Leaving you with the old bearing race and the dust cap
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:39:21 PM
Which gets pounded out to make room for the new stuff:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:40:47 PM
I cleaned up the knuckle again. THis was the first time I had good access to the backside, so I took it all the way down and after cleaning, coated everything with acid etching primer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:41:29 PM
Here's the new dust seal and grease seal
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:43:17 PM
I coated the inside of the race cavity with some silicone sealer just to keep things honest down there while I'm crawling through the muck
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:44:28 PM
Then the new bearing is packed with grease, placed into the race, and a new outer grease seal tapped home
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:45:28 PM
With that done, the knuckle is reinstalled
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:46:26 PM
The axle has now been completely reconditioned with nary an old part remaining
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:48:03 PM
The other side went together a little quicker. After that the housing was wiped down two times with solvent until the rag was coming away pretty clean, then things I didn't want black got taped off
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:49:35 PM
Next up is the paint. Valspar manufactured John Deere Blitz black with hardener got the nod again
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:50:26 PM
After just 30 minutes drying time, the satin appearance was starting to show up for muster!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:51:41 PM
I had a bunch of paint still in the gun so my eyes fell upon the engine crane and the two dogs
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:52:49 PM
Yup, ran out of paint so I didn't have enough left over for the mutts...They escaped unscathed!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 18, 2014, 08:54:35 PM
And that concludes build day 200 and leaves me in a good place to get this thing bolted to the springs and fully assembled, which will be the standing goal for tomorrow.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 18, 2014, 11:18:41 PM
Red Dog is saying, "give me a job.........or I do some freelance work for Harbor Freight"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 19, 2014, 04:37:07 AM
Hmm, I can see this very thing in my future.

Think I would have painted Red Dog before the picker though. Speaking of pickers am RR mine now so it folds flatter.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 07:34:31 AM
Red Dog is saying, "give me a job.........or I do some freelance work for Harbor Freight"
Right you are kind Sir!
She scored a sanding disc, a clamp, screwdriver, and my brand new Oakley sunglasses!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 07:35:17 AM
Hmm, I can see this very thing in my future.

Think I would have painted Red Dog before the picker though. Speaking of pickers am RR mine now so it folds flatter.
If that red dog would have been closer, she would have gotten the nod...I promise you that!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:36:45 PM
Let's get tonight's post up before the dog eats the camera!

The paint turned out pretty well I'd say
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
Then inch by inch that heavy dude gets closer and closer to where it will spend the rest of its life
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:39:05 PM
Then with the use of that motorcycle jack, up she goes
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:40:26 PM
The drivers side long tube gets attached first. All hardware got a treatment of the graphite dry film lubricant
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:41:33 PM
Then the passenger (Heavy) side
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:42:45 PM
Then things started going fast.

Next I bolted the crossover steering arm up permanently:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
Then the tie-rods
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:44:50 PM
Then the seal surfaces and splines get a coat of the dry film lube
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:46:21 PM
And both axles were slid into the housing. They slid right home with no fuss
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:48:48 PM
Randy's RIng and Pinion provided the new axle/hub seals.

This was a cool accordion type seal that had a metal collar which one taps onto the shaft. The flange rides onto the back side of the stubby shaft housing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:50:20 PM
That slides on here:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:53:31 PM
That was followed by a normal reassembly on both sides up to this point.

My hardware build up is steadily improving. I had those nylon locking 1/2" fine thread nuts in a drawer just waiting for this moment
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 19, 2014, 05:55:58 PM
And with that completed, it was a good point to conclude operations for the evening, the end of build day 201
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on December 19, 2014, 07:22:08 PM
Looking really good and top notch work as always.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 19, 2014, 09:56:31 PM
Very Nice !
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Jungle on December 20, 2014, 05:55:03 AM
Hi Don
Everything is looking great & I'm glad your Knee is getting better!!!!

Here is a pic of that 1410 CV/1410 shaft

Jim
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Jungle on December 20, 2014, 05:55:46 AM
Looking really good and top notch work as always.

Hi Eric
Do you have a build thread going on over here?
Jim
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 20, 2014, 09:06:29 AM
Looking good Don- bet you already checked to assure you got those caliper mounts on the correct sides didn't you! :o

Welcome Jungle- serious looking CV joint there!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 20, 2014, 10:53:51 AM
That think could turn a prop on a cargo container vessel!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on December 20, 2014, 11:04:21 AM
Nice progress.

I am with ken, that is a HUGE drive shaft!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 20, 2014, 11:24:41 AM
Jungle,

Because of you and that driveshaft you suggested a few days ago to me in private, I procured a drive flange for the D60 which I will be mounting, and am looking for one for the 205 output. Yup, I'll have to add in one of those myself...more bucks!

Everyone: Jungle here is the guy who built all that trick suspension stuff. The spring hangers, shackles, HD bushing mounts, and the cool steering box reinforce. He is an innovator and exactly the kind of guy we want here in droves. I just ordered his rear spring hangars for some 64" Chevy springs that are going in back there along with a shackle flip. He just started making steel cutouts to box in parts of the frame. I ordered them and they show a delivery date of Monday. My plan is to get them then get right on it, welding them in so the engine can be reinstalled on Tuesday.

We need to entice him to getting one of those old Suburban's and start making trick stuff for it as well as these cool dodges.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on December 20, 2014, 01:45:58 PM
Looking really good and top notch work as always.

Hi Eric
Do you have a build thread going on over here?
Jim

Hey Jim!

Welcome to the site.

No I do not yet, I told Don once I start making some noteable progress I would start one over here.

You need to start one on the gold ramcharger your building.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 20, 2014, 02:17:55 PM
Looking really good and top notch work as always.

Hi Eric
Do you have a build thread going on over here?
Jim

Hey Jim!

Welcome to the site.

No I do not yet, I told Don once I start making some noteable progress I would start one over here.

You need to start one on the gold ramcharger your building.



Holding you to that Bruiser!

But while we're talking, what about it Jim...A teaser on the gold RC perhaps?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 20, 2014, 03:30:25 PM
Looking good as always Don.

Jungle, your just the man I need feedback on for my suspension for the Burb. I think I have a good idea, but tweeks are always nice and that burb frame will need help.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 20, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
Nice progress.  A lot has been accomplished since we picked up the axle on Thursday.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 21, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Well, I had a goal of having the thing sitting on all 4 wheels again, and I suppose I could have gotten there, but I ran into an issue which took so much time that I finally just gave up.

I have a email out to Tate to get an answer on it, but nothing of the front locking hubs is fitting. When he/we figure that out, I'll install those hubs or get new ones and mount the wheels.

That almost makes the truck ready for the motor which I have a goal of installing this Tuesday, but first I want to weld in Jungle's frame boxing plates he just came out with. He now has a kit to completely box in the front frame which I want to do, but those parts are due to arrive tomorrow. So the plan was to weld all that in tomorrow evening, then get to the motor install sometime on Tuesday.

I don't see working on the truck Christmas eve or Christmas day, and I get my knee replaced on Friday, so now is the time to get this done or it will be a month plus before I can likely get back to doing heavier work...

Anyway, the hubs and brakes are reinstalled and not backwards this time!

Pics with my next post/build date
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on December 21, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
I've been thinking about doing Jungle's new frame plates as well.  I will see how you like yours before I get in touch with him.  Only bad part on my end is my frame has already been powder coated, I guess I will just have to touch it up with some gloss black enamel paint if I go with them.

Good luck on your knee surgery Don wish the best for you.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 21, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
I've been thinking about doing Jungle's new frame plates as well.  I will see how you like yours before I get in touch with him.  Only bad part on my end is my frame has already been powder coated, I guess I will just have to touch it up with some gloss black enamel paint if I go with them.

Good luck on your knee surgery Don wish the best for you.

Thanks for the well wishes!

I finished my frame with several layers, a steel conditioner, or rust converter...but I applied that over a clean frame. Next was the epoxy primer, then the top coat of either paint with hardener or a quality undercoating.

I found using that process makes for easy modifications as all I have to do is to grind away a small area, then weld whatever, then re-topcoat.

With that beautiful frame on your truck, I'd be stressed about getting into that coating at all.

But you will get a chance to see and evaluate Jim's plates in a couple days.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:08:47 PM
Well this has been an interesting day to say the least
My wife took our young son to the hospital this morning as he was having a breathing problem last night.
Then right in front of the hospital, she hits or is hit by a speeding taxi and that accident totals our 2012 Cadillac SRX. It also further bangs up our son and my wife as well.
I am fat dumb and happy all the while, getting ready for pre-op appointment at another hospital. So the medics at the scene take the boy to the Childrens hospital and my wife to another hospital with a head injury and a banged up leg.

I find out about all of this all at once and that was more excitement than I needed...But everyone got out of their perspective exams with only swollen bumps on the forehead, bruised up arms and legs and the little guy got a breathing treatment.

She can't walk, but her brain is not swelling, so that's all good. Got them home and in bed, wrote off the car, had dreams of really big insurance payments and got to sitting around thinking too much.

So with everything stabilized, I went out in the garage and did some bolting, cutting and welding.

I did manage to get a little done so getting the motor in is still a possibility.

I took this pic of the spring pack separating big time due to droop out weight, so I took a shot and made a mental note to get a military clamp and bolt that onto that spring pack
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:10:10 PM
I got the hub/brake assemblies built up yesterday
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:11:49 PM
I wanted to bolt on the new Yukon hubs but I only really got started before I started identifying problems

These are very high quality parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:12:47 PM
I started by slipping on a spacer and sliding on the spring
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:16:28 PM
And that is as far as I could get.

Something is wrong. The part numbers are correct, however the gear/disconnect mechanism is too thick to fit this setup.

Even when I remove the spacer completely, the gear thing sticks out of the housing, and the spring sort of comes undone when you are shoving the coupler into the splines, and the end of the spring gets lodged into the old groove I the hub. That prevents you from going any further. I did everything I could think of to get it to fit to include the plastic and brass mallets. Nothing worked, so I gave up and sent Tate an email. I'm still waiting for his reply to try and figure out what isn't working.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
The frame boxing plates did show up as promised, so I decided to get them welded into the frame today so I could install the engine.

Here's the parts Jungle sends. He makes some well thought out and engineered parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
The first plate needed a little trim to tuck in the frame
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
A second plate overlaps a bit and fills in the frame aft nearly to the transmission mount
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:23:01 PM
hose two plates were welded in completing the right side frame
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:24:16 PM
Then the left side forward plate was trimmed in to fit and welded in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on December 22, 2014, 08:24:36 PM
Wow. You had an interesting day. Hope all is well with HH6 and the pre ranger. That makes for a bit of excitement for all.
Good to hear they're all home and 'well' as they can be given their day.

Jungle makes some good looking parts, and good work as always.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:26:37 PM
The aft plate cannot be just welded in with all the do-dads bolted to the frame here, so I decided to section the plate and see what I could get to fit

After cutting this out, I could see the thing wasn't going to fit like that, so I modified it again
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
So I cut it down to this part, which will fit nicely and box in the area around the spring bushing mount

You can see from the pic, I'd have to relocate too many things, so I'll take what I can get here
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:30:20 PM
I was feeling uncomfortable with being out in the garage but I was going to throw on the wheels and tires, but I opted to go in and cook them all a nice meal, which I did, so I'll see if I can get to this tomorrow
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:31:50 PM
And that's as far as this guy could get on this particular day

Thanks Father God for protecting my family! To heck with all this kar stuff, they are what is important!

Build day 202 in the bag...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 22, 2014, 08:48:19 PM
Wow. You had an interesting day. Hope all is well with HH6 and the pre ranger. That makes for a bit of excitement for all.
Good to hear they're all home and 'well' as they can be given their day.

Jungle makes some good looking parts, and good work as always.


Little Ranger just stuffed down 1.5 Dads burgers as they call them, he's on target
She is asleep, but all banged up. Bruised and swollen forehead and ankle.

I was very lucky today!
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Post by: KensAuto on December 22, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Wow, rough day! Good to hear about the SRX, just too bad your family was inside at the time (I despise those cars). Hope everyone heals ok , including you with the upcoming op.
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Post by: ce_tx on December 22, 2014, 09:09:47 PM
Dang Don sorry to hear about your family, but good to hear that they are doing much better now. 

So on the driver side what all prevented you from using the plates Jungle sent? 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 23, 2014, 12:39:02 AM
Wow, what a day of posting and happenings. Figured you were close to getting the knee done but read about your wife and son, man did I feel for you. The biggest thing is everyone is OK.
Isn't it funny how working on things can clear your head.

So does Jungle have a web site or does he just do this? I am really following the D60 as I have mine to attend to.

When talking about the frame vs you and Bruiser the powder coating made me remember that some don't recommend it as it can hide cracking vs paint. Plus like you say paint touches up so good. What about paint on the inside of the frame, that has me concerned some (I remember the bed stuff you did). My sub frame i wide open all the way from the tranny Xmem to the rear end, probably a good 6 ft that needs boxing.

Again, that God that all none were really hurt!!!!!!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 09:17:09 AM
Thanks for all the well wishes

We are fine. Wife looks like she was beaten by some thug

Little guy has a big bruise but is getting along just fine.

The taxi driver was hauled off as well, but I don't know how he is, trying to find out.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 09:23:42 AM
Dang Don sorry to hear about your family, but good to hear that they are doing much better now. 

So on the driver side what all prevented you from using the plates Jungle sent? 

The drivers side has that proportioning valve inside the frame, then just aft of that, the transmission shift linkage along with the brake lines and the fuel return line.

I think that relocating all of that would create some problems, particularly the shift linkage crossover. That is a specific width and would need a precisely drilled hole along with shortening and possible relocation of the arms to fit in the reduced space. I see that as a big problem
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
Jungle's plates fit very well going down the frame, requiring no trimming at all. The plates close in to the engine cradle do require a bit of custom fitting, but I attribute this to slight differences in frames that have seen hundreds of thousands of miles of usage.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 23, 2014, 10:05:40 AM
Thank God your family is safe and able to be at home!  May everyone heal quickly and without any lasting effects.

God Bless you all-
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 10:12:15 AM
Thank God your family is safe and able to be at home!  May everyone heal quickly and without any lasting effects.

God Bless you all-
Thanks!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 10:47:12 AM
Wow, rough day! Good to hear about the SRX, just too bad your family was inside at the time (I despise those cars). Hope everyone heals ok , including you with the upcoming op.
Ken what do you think about the Honda SUV's?
We'll be needing something else me thinks
Not going with caddy again, just too much cost and Wife beats things to death...accident every 4-6 months...yea...
I was thinking of putting her in an ex police crown Vicky with a rail road tie as the front bumper...some chicken wire welded in here and there to fend off the Hyundais and kias...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 23, 2014, 10:53:29 AM
Acura MDX is what I've got my Mrs. in - big, good mileage for size and truly SAFE from crash standpoint.  No more pricey SERVICE wise and they last mechanically.  Luxury version of Honda Pilot too.
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Post by: KensAuto on December 23, 2014, 11:38:59 AM
Acura MDX is what I've got my Mrs. in - big, good mileage for size and truly SAFE from crash standpoint.  No more pricey device wise and they last mechanically.  Luxury version of Honda Pilot too.

Not a bad choice for sure. My personal favorite, for fancy dancy, would be a Lexus GX460....v-8 power (LX if you wanna go crazy!). My second choice would be just a good ole Yukon or Tahoe (notice I didn't say Escalade?). They ride great and have plenty of power, and hold up decent in a crash.
Now, with the mrs being known for.....a.....well, not being a great driver, maybe a plain Honda or Toyota suv would be a better choice. I'm banking on the fact that Big D loves his family more than his fleet, so I would stick with the nicer, upper end choices, since they typically protect the passengers better with 6000 airbags, halon systems, and scuba gear (for unintentional river crossings). JMHO
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on December 23, 2014, 12:31:07 PM
Acura MDX is what I've got my Mrs. in - big, good mileage for size and truly SAFE from crash standpoint.  No more pricey device wise and they last mechanically.  Luxury version of Honda Pilot too.

Not a bad choice for sure. My personal favorite, for fancy dancy, would be a Lexus GX460....v-8 power (LX if you wanna go crazy!). My second choice would be just a good ole Yukon or Tahoe (notice I didn't say Escalade?). They ride great and have plenty of power, and hold up decent in a crash.
Now, with the mrs being known for.....a.....well, not being a great driver, maybe a plain Honda or Toyota suv would be a better choice. I'm banking on the fact that Big D loves his family more than his fleet, so I would stick with the nicer, upper end choices, since they typically protect the passengers better with 6000 airbags, halon systems, and scuba gear (for unintentional river crossings). JMHO

I was literally just having this conversation with a family friend the other day... they were looking at getting a new kid hauler. They do well, so were looking at the Mercedes/BMW/Lexus... Personally I would go Toyota platform Lexus too of the luxuries.

However when it comes time to get a kid-hauler for my wife, it'll be a Tahoe LTZ (she drives an Acura TSX 4-banger now, we'll never get rid of it, it'll convert into my commuter. great car) We were looking at the GMC Acadia, which is one size smaller than the Yukon, but the mileage just isn't there just justify something other than a half ton chassis. Only 1-2 mpg better than the V8 Yukon. Would rather have the ability to tow a trailer/boat etc, than get 1-2 mpg better mileage.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 04:28:27 PM
Well...Back to Don's chat thread I guess.

I like the Tahoe/suburban platform but living with 15-16mpg is not so good. I think we need something better than 20 if we can score it. The Caddy got 20 for her and 23 when I drove it. Her Yukon got 13.5-14 when she drove it, and 16.5 when I dove it. Even going all the way back to the early 90's when she drove our Suburban, she gor 14 mpg, and I got 16.5 all the time.

So no matter what the vehicle, she will get in the lower spectrum of the mileage range.

Which makes me think she should just take my Toureg 3.0 TDI all wheel drive and go with it. I get 27-29mpg combined mileage and on highway trips 31mpg. It is upscale, best of everything, leather, all wheel drive, heck the headlights even move in the direction you're going and side lights come on if you turn the steering wheel in one direction or another. But, put her in a 60K SUV???. But she'd be safer and well protected.

Then I'd go get a jeep and be done with it I guess
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 23, 2014, 05:10:58 PM
Well...Back to Don's chat thread I guess.

.....................

You asked.       :pokefingerinface





....at 2 bucks a gallon, who cares about mileage. :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 05:47:04 PM
Well...Back to Don's chat thread I guess.

.....................

You asked.       :pokefingerinface





....at 2 bucks a gallon, who cares about mileage. :)

Not going to stay that way my friend...feds not making enough in taxes...Big oil, also not making coin...it's all about them ya know!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on December 23, 2014, 06:30:29 PM
Get her one of the new Ram 1500s with the 3.0 EcoDiesel, then liberally apply sparks and extra metal. 710 mi range, pretty good mileage for a truck, and the Crew Cabs have enough room.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 23, 2014, 08:07:11 PM
Get her one of the new Ram 1500s with the 3.0 EcoDiesel, then liberally apply sparks and extra metal. 710 mi range, pretty good mileage for a truck, and the Crew Cabs have enough room.
Bobby, you mean get me a 3.0L eco diesel dodge...

She's not a truck girl

She's a girly girl, pretty much complete polar opposite of me.

Nope she does not understand all of that. She knows big expensive things, a part of her DNA I wish I could rearrange. Things that sound like Cadillac, Mercedes, Acura, BMW, things like that. Caddy is on the low end btw...

I suggested she purchase her own car insurance today and that did not go very well for me. Right now I think I'll just drag an extra blanket over me in this dog house and wait out the storm going on in the house!
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Post by: BobbyB on December 23, 2014, 10:09:25 PM
Bobby, you mean get me a 3.0L eco diesel dodge...

She's not a truck girl

She's a girly girl, pretty much complete polar opposite of me.

Nope she does not understand all of that. She knows big expensive things, a part of her DNA I wish I could rearrange. Things that sound like Cadillac, Mercedes, Acura, BMW, things like that. Caddy is on the low end btw...

I suggested she purchase her own car insurance today and that did not go very well for me. Right now I think I'll just drag an extra blanket over me in this dog house and wait out the storm going on in the house!

Ok, you give HH6 the VDub you currently drive, you buy yourself an EcoDiesel, as a DD and you'll both be happy!

As for warmth, hold a couple tools and sunglasses, let red dog come in and cuddle, sled dog as well. You should be plenty warm then.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 23, 2014, 10:26:09 PM
"I suggested she purchase her own car insurance today and that did not go very well for me. Right now I think I'll just drag an extra blanket over me in this dog house and wait out the storm going on in the house!" - Don's OOPS moment-  :o

DON!  How could you make such a tactical error!  That's like poking a wounded bear in the eye with a raw steak in each pocket.............hope you got that box of blankets in the mail, you're gonna need them!   :(

This MIGHT be the time you slink off to the ACURA dealer tomorrow and inquire about one of those big red bows!?!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 23, 2014, 11:02:27 PM
Funny, my wife drives the same. TERRIBLE mileage and has a bender at least once a year. Last good accident she had to drive the max for a couple weeks. Was getting coffee one day and hits a poll with the bed. She forgot it doesn't turn like her saturn did. 3K for a cup of coffee and she was only getting 12mpg!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I retired and she started working I asked her to pay 1 bill, oh man the world about ended here. She got a "new to her" Captiva and has already dented the fender (getting coffee, hitting a poll)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 24, 2014, 07:50:09 AM
Don't even bother, guys. Best to just stand back and observe.

In silence...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on December 24, 2014, 08:03:16 AM
Don't even bother, guys. Best to just stand back and observe.

In silence...

But Duane, that's not how the DOTs conduct the daily business..  ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on December 24, 2014, 09:17:55 AM
Gonna throw in my input as well...

Bought my wife the new Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.0 liter eco diesel.  Bought it in July.  Still getting 25 mpg.  She drives 15 miles one way to take kids to school everyday, and then the same to go pick them up.  Add in her other running around town, and well, Im saying that the mileage is not hwy miles.  Its a lot of stop and go, and she still is staying at 25 mpg.  700 miles on one fuel up.  Get this, we traded in our Yukon XL on this vehicle.  The Jeep has MORE leg room in the back seats than the Yukon XL !!!  You do sacrifice on storage area, but, she has not complained.  Basically, take a look at them before you rule them out Don.  We absolutely love ours, and its cheaper than the Yukons...  Plus you can get the summit, has the all wheel drive for those nasty winters you guys have up north.  Just a thought. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 24, 2014, 02:46:45 PM
Gonna throw in my input as well...

Bought my wife the new Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.0 liter eco diesel.  Bought it in July.  Still getting 25 mpg.  She drives 15 miles one way to take kids to school everyday, and then the same to go pick them up.  Add in her other running around town, and well, Im saying that the mileage is not hwy miles.  Its a lot of stop and go, and she still is staying at 25 mpg.  700 miles on one fuel up.  Get this, we traded in our Yukon XL on this vehicle.  The Jeep has MORE leg room in the back seats than the Yukon XL !!!  You do sacrifice on storage area, but, she has not complained.  Basically, take a look at them before you rule them out Don.  We absolutely love ours, and its cheaper than the Yukons...  Plus you can get the summit, has the all wheel drive for those nasty winters you guys have up north.  Just a thought. 
Merry Christmas Ash

Yep I have been looking at them on line. One left over 2014 grand which is a limited in green at the dealer.

She is saying she wants out of payments. Says she wants to get the money from the insurance settlement and buy a car, cash and e done with it. Can't argue with that except that older used cars are mostly money traps. Almost makes sense to drive one under a new car warranty and eat the loss of $$$.
She doesn't want to drive the German car, so I guess my Toureg stays with me. It's a super great car. It's 3.0 diesel is getting 28.5 ish now combo highway/city and it actually tows more than the jeep grand. Leg room is ample, nothing to compare it to. Mine is an R-Line so to is like being on rails when cornering. Basically with the suspension and all wheel drive and 400+ ft. Lbs. just do anything you want!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 24, 2014, 02:47:08 PM
Merry Christmas everyone!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on December 24, 2014, 03:23:19 PM
Merry Christmas to you and the family as well.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Mrwoody on December 26, 2014, 01:44:49 AM
Good luck with the knee, Big Don
And Merry Christmas everyone
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 26, 2014, 09:29:49 AM
Good luck with the knee, Big Don
And Merry Christmas everyone
Thanks bro!

But

Knee operation was postponed pending some more doctor stuff...

I guess the Surgeon found out I hadn't reached my goal of installing the motor into Square D so he allowed me some more time to do so!

It's all good...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2014, 08:33:03 AM
Christmas SCORE!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 27, 2014, 09:29:20 AM
Nice. Must be contagious:
 (http://i.imgur.com/zI6ZGgT.jpg)

...this one is for my back bumper build.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
Nice. Must be contagious:
 (http://i.imgur.com/zI6ZGgT.jpg)

...this one is for my back bumper build.
Great minds think alike...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 27, 2014, 09:16:33 PM
Square D is sitting on all four wheels...two went flat!

I guess I need to crack the code for putting those wheels together and not get any leaks!

The new frame boxing is coated and I am about to hoist a motor back into place

Duane...You out there...?

Need someone with one good eye to guide me in there.

He looks and I run the loader or crane...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 28, 2014, 12:01:16 AM
Darn, wish I was close enough to help. I'll trade you winches!!

Guess I need to run to HF. Got a coupon for 20% off and the add is just $299.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 28, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
Oh, and ordered the springs, rear leaf springs that is, so I am discarding my brand new set of soft ride +4" 52" springs...hmmm...

Replacements are part number 22-1269, which seems to be used everywhere (Part number that is). Stockers from a late model up to 2011 Silverado 1500 and 2500. Not the HD, but the standard truck. Have a 64" eye to eye length, 2.5" width and 6.6" static arch, and a 2,050 pound rating each. Stock springs were same width slightly less arch, 52" length and a 1775lb rating in the W250. I'm thinking the added capacity will work well with the topper, the bike and extra fuel, augmented by the airbags of course for tuning of the ride and stance.

The shackle flip produces something like a 5" lift and I just happen to have a single 5" block sitting down on the axle. My hope is to remove the block and have the spring sitting on the axle to correct all the crazies a block arrangement produces. Further the flex and ride quality will increase enormously with 14" of extra spring to bend around.

I got Jungle's front spring relocation brackets on hand and eagerly await perminizing then to the bones of Square D!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 28, 2014, 10:55:07 AM
You sayin' the springs you ordered fit a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton? must be a typo...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 28, 2014, 04:03:52 PM
I noticed a lot of that too. Many of the springs were rated at 2000lb and all were listed for 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks when checking for the sub.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 28, 2014, 04:34:18 PM
You sayin' the springs you ordered fit a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton? must be a typo...
Yep, sure do
Ken, that is the case with lots of applications. Springs are not necessarily what makes a truck 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton as you know. Axles mostly, then brakes.
Now there is a huge difference between a half ton and a 2500HD, but not between the 1500 and the 2500
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 28, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
I retract my blunt message, and in turn leave this nice one. :)

...most 1/2 tons I have worked on (from the 50s models til current) have lighter springs than the 3/4 tons. The variances would be "camper specials", "heavy half", or other heavy duty versions of the 1/2 ton Chebbies. Even the rear coil springs in the '60s were thicker. GM didn't officially start using HD after their 2500s until '99, but before that, most 2500s had a higher payload rating, which went hand in hand with the larger diffs and brakes. Fords were no different, altho I don't recall any of their F150s having F250 springs (like I said, don't recall...I don't recall liking Fords either). Dodge? who cares about them, we are talking Chebbies here!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 28, 2014, 09:35:18 PM
I retract my blunt message, and in turn leave this nice one. :)

...most 1/2 tons I have worked on (from the 50s models til current) have lighter springs than the 3/4 tons. The variances would be "camper specials", "heavy half", or other heavy duty versions of the 1/2 ton Chebbies. Even the rear coil springs in the '60s were thicker. GM didn't officially start using HD after their 2500s until '99, but before that, most 2500s had a higher payload rating, which went hand in hand with the larger diffs and brakes. Fords were no different, altho I don't recall any of their F150s having F250 springs (like I said, don't recall...I don't recall liking Fords either). Dodge? who cares about them, we are talking Chebbies here!

Me: Sorry too

Didn't mean to sound like I was the know it all. I's jest a pilot and a pretty darn average one at that!

You are the automotive expert

But when we answer comments in these blogs, we often answer to the choir and not to one specifically, at least I often times do...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:14:56 PM
Here's those rear leaf spring front hangers made by Jungle that will be getting installed in the not too distant future
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:16:06 PM
New 3 ton HF Aluminum jack ready to use
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
And I did to remount the front tires and wheels
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
Hubs are not fitting and that is why they are not yet installed

After a bit of masking and covering things it was time to clean off the welds from installing the first set of frame boxing plates and get them coated
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:20:55 PM
After the prep, I coated the bare metal this time without primer (First time)

Reading about the product, it really does not require anything else beneath it to lock down the steel beneath it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:22:59 PM
The left side of the frame has a lot going on, so I had to section the plate to fit around the proportioning valve and trans shift linkage. That part of the boxing plate was just deleted
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:25:08 PM
I used a flap wheel to dress the edges until the fit was near perfect, then drove it home with a ballpeen prior to welding
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:26:24 PM
Then that was all cleaned up and coated as well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 29, 2014, 07:30:19 PM
And that was that for build day 203

I would have gotten a lot further ahead, but I spent most of the day working on C-Max, attempting to repair that AD165 lift pump. After many hours I now have an operational and leaking pump GRRRRRRRR......

So I called the ball on the lift pump and moved to Square D so at least I could claim some small victory for the day

C-Max is getting a retrofit right now
Rebuild lift pump
LED headlights, bright ones, 3200 lumen on each side
Paint and undercoat touchup and a lot of chorsey things like that

I am getting really yancy to build a push-bar front and add a roof rack
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 29, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Don, does Jungle have a site, I'm getting close.

Check the nuts and bolts on the HF jack. I had a couple fall out in normal use.

Dang, rebuilding the LP after 40k??

Also found that Eastwood has inside the frame paint if you want to address that; http://www.eastwood.com/internal-frame-coating-w-spray-nozzle-qt.html
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on December 29, 2014, 09:19:48 PM

 LED headlights, bright ones, 3200 lumen on each side


 Do those get warm enough (or at all) to clear away snow/ice? I know you guys don't get the same amount we do up here but, you've mentioned it before, that it does happen...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 30, 2014, 07:27:17 AM
Looking good Don!

In Grovespring, MO, chasing quail with the hounds and keeping Winchester Ammo "fresh" on the shelves of Walmart. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on December 30, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
Don, does Jungle have a site, I'm getting close.


JR, Jungle does not have a web site.  You can get in touch with him over on ramchargercentral.com.  He does have is own forum on the site which list all of his products that he makes.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 30, 2014, 10:12:20 AM
Don, does Jungle have a site, I'm getting close.


JR, Jungle does not have a web site.  You can get in touch with him over on ramchargercentral.com.  He does have is own forum on the site which list all of his products that he makes.
^^^ What he said

Jungle is well known and highly respected in the Ramcharger and old Dodge truck world. All the cool things he makes can be see at RamChargerCentral.com or actually installed all over my truck here!

Remember that cool aluminum shelf that replaced the visors?? Yup, Jungles creation...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 30, 2014, 10:17:41 AM

 LED headlights, bright ones, 3200 lumen on each side


 Do those get warm enough (or at all) to clear away snow/ice? I know you guys don't get the same amount we do up here but, you've mentioned it before, that it does happen...

Not installed yet, but I'm guessing they generate very little heat while running. They do take a bit of voltage to get fired up, but very little wattage while running. a 60W incandescent bulb burns 60 watts. A fluorescent bulb producing the same lumens uses 13 watts, and a LED bulb producing the equivalent light output is somewhere around 6 watts. Since energy = heat (to some degree), my money says the LED bulbs wouldn't help remove snow and ice accumulation,

For that purpose, a high powered incandescent bulb like the silver streaks or whatever they are called would be more ap pro po
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 30, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
Dang, rebuilding the LP after 40k??

Also found that Eastwood has inside the frame paint if you want to address that; http://www.eastwood.com/internal-frame-coating-w-spray-nozzle-qt.html

I am becoming disillusioned with Air Dog

When I first installed the unit, it has a pesky seep which I could never fix. That is the reason the filters are heavily stained

Then I find out the unit they were initially selling for the LML had fittings meant more for the LMM crowd...different in some way, but no big deal, just an indicator

Then when the unit failed in about 35K of useage (I don't drive that much) they would not warranty it. I failed to mail the green warranty card in. So while talking to the warranty guy there he said even though I had the receipt and the green card he would not warranty it. He admitted the pumps were failing and charged me $250 for a new one. I have purchased my last Air Dog product I think. Square D will get a FASS or similar.

That was supposed to be a quality pump. We have good electric pumps on aircraft that don't fail. My last jet I flew had the hydraulic system powered in emergency and some conditions by an electric pump. We used it many times a day over many years without failure. At the price and volume points of these units, we should see a lot of reliability

Frame stuff?? Remember that waxy stuff that I sprayed in the cavities of the bed when I finished it? Uses a 360 nozzle and a 3' long flex line to fish it into nooks and crannies...Well I'll be using that once again
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on December 30, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
Dang, even with a receipt? what's this world comin' to!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on December 30, 2014, 11:51:38 AM

Not installed yet, but I'm guessing they generate very little heat while running. They do take a bit of voltage to get fired up, but very little wattage while running. a 60W incandescent bulb burns 60 watts. A fluorescent bulb producing the same lumens uses 13 watts, and a LED bulb producing the equivalent light output is somewhere around 6 watts. Since energy = heat (to some degree), my money says the LED bulbs wouldn't help remove snow and ice accumulation,

For that purpose, a high powered incandescent bulb like the silver streaks or whatever they are called would be more ap pro po

That's my point. You are putting lights on the truck(s) that won't generate heat to clear snow/ice buildup. Granted you can always stop and clear them, but if it isn't feasible to stop and clear them, you are going to have degraded and continually degrading light output.

The LED stop lights are causing problems up here during the winter LED stoplights getting covered in snow/ice and people not being able to see what light is currently iluminated, vs the older style ones. Granted that's a stoplight but the gist of it is still the same.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on December 30, 2014, 01:16:32 PM
Yeah I remember the stuff you sprayed into the bed rails. You said it was messy and oozed if I remember.

I am bad about both receipts and mailing those stupid cards in too.

Not sure about those lights not putting out heat. I have several Cree flashlights that get pretty warm in use and they are not any 3000+ lumens. Also look at the heatsinks on those light bars, something is getting warm!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Jungle on December 30, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
Nice job Don!!!!!!


You guys can find all my parts here;
http://ramchargercentral.com/jungleshddodgecomponents/


Don
Did you see my new winch bumper on my gold RC ;D?
Jim
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on December 30, 2014, 05:48:37 PM
Nice job Don!!!!!!


You guys can find all my parts here;
http://ramchargercentral.com/jungleshddodgecomponents/


Don
Did you see my new winch bumper on my gold RC ;D?
Jim
I remember seeing the winch bumper but I don't recall if I saw it on your RC or not

Pretty simple and cool!

You have me thinkin'...

Ya see, I have a complete bumper to build, as in starting with nada.
I wonder if I starts with something like your creation, then expand on it to bet the ARB style I am looking for...Hmmm...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on January 02, 2015, 10:50:19 AM
Sorry about the Air Dog Don.  I haven't heard any complaints on this end from anyone, yet.  I installed the FASS on my lml, and ran it for about 90k miles.  Highway roads to lots of off road and mud.  Never did anything but change the filters every 10k miles...

Wise choice on replacing the HID lights.  Was having a lot of issues out of mine after 50k miles, so I pulled them all out and went back with factory bulbs...

I know the LED headlights on my new dodge do not get very hot, at all.  Doubt they would melt any snow or ice away if I ever ran in to the white stuff...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2015, 04:22:17 PM
Sorry about the Air Dog Don.  I haven't heard any complaints on this end from anyone, yet.  I installed the FASS on my lml, and ran it for about 90k miles.  Highway roads to lots of off road and mud.  Never did anything but change the filters every 10k miles...

Wise choice on replacing the HID lights.  Was having a lot of issues out of mine after 50k miles, so I pulled them all out and went back with factory bulbs...

I know the LED headlights on my new dodge do not get very hot, at all.  Doubt they would melt any snow or ice away if I ever ran in to the white stuff...
Aid Dog on LML is still leaking...Too cold and wet to mess with it just yet

HID: Not what you'd think! If you factor in reliability for the aftermarket ones, I'd have to give them a poor score. I even purchased a set for Square D probably a year ago, so those will likely never get used. I'll plug in some LED's, back them up with some incandescent bumper mounted lights as a reserve and call it a day.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on January 02, 2015, 09:43:48 PM
I gambled back in 2007 or 2008 and bought offshore (yeah I know) HID's. They were cheap enough to try the gamble and throw away if they were junk so I said what the heck. Last fall I changed my first bulbs. Maybe I just got lucky, who knows, but having said that they continue to serve me well.
I am however interested in how the LED ones turn out. Deep in the bush lots of light is important to me.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2015, 09:06:50 AM
I gambled back in 2007 or 2008 and bought offshore (yeah I know) HID's. They were cheap enough to try the gamble and throw away if they were junk so I said what the heck. Last fall I changed my first bulbs. Maybe I just got lucky, who knows, but having said that they continue to serve me well.
I am however interested in how the LED ones turn out. Deep in the bush lots of light is important to me.
I have a set of 3200 Lumen LED bulbs for the Silverado which should be going in this week. But they too have some sort of ballast/ignition unit and are not simply bulb units. With the HID's the bulbs weren't what failed, it is always the ballast units going bad. I hope these new LED units are not the same.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Rescue Man on January 03, 2015, 07:00:58 PM

I have a set of 3200 Lumen LED bulbs for the Silverado which should be going in this week. But they too have some sort of ballast/ignition unit and are not simply bulb units. With the HID's the bulbs weren't what failed, it is always the ballast units going bad. I hope these new LED units are not the same.

I may have missed it somewhere between C-Max's build thread or D2's, but where did you find the LED bulb/ballast set up that you plan to put in C-Max?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 03, 2015, 09:00:16 PM
my new dodge

Speaking of, how are you liking it now that you've had it for awhile?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2015, 08:19:37 AM

I have a set of 3200 Lumen LED bulbs for the Silverado which should be going in this week. But they too have some sort of ballast/ignition unit and are not simply bulb units. With the HID's the bulbs weren't what failed, it is always the ballast units going bad. I hope these new LED units are not the same.

I may have missed it somewhere between C-Max's build thread or D2's, but where did you find the LED bulb/ballast set up that you plan to put in C-Max?
They are JDM bulbs, check them out...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2015, 05:25:55 PM
Looking down the road, this was just purchased to be towed behind SquareD as part of a survival system. This thing will someday house a camper system, possibly a commercially procured unit like this Four Wheel Camper

I'll post more pics of it over in the trailer section
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 04, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Looking down the road, this was just purchased to be towed behind SquareD as part of a survival system.

I told you to grab one of those awhile ago! But I await the results that follow.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
Looking down the road, this was just purchased to be towed behind SquareD as part of a survival system.

I told you to grab one of those awhile ago! But I await the results that follow.
Roger that...

Just took awhile!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 04, 2015, 09:03:41 PM
Nice addition Don. Should be great all setup.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on January 04, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
The things I find for you to buy...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 05, 2015, 08:57:39 AM
Roger that...

Just took awhile!

Pilots...  ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on January 05, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Lovin the trailer Don!  I'm wanting one also to tow behind my crew for extended trips to carry gear and put a RMT on it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on January 05, 2015, 09:17:18 PM
RMT?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on January 06, 2015, 12:10:58 PM
The trailer looks glorious! My hub tech master left you a VM yesterday. make sure you get in touch with him when you can so we can button up the front axle.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on January 06, 2015, 05:45:59 PM
RMT?

Sorry about that, Roof Mounted Tent.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on January 06, 2015, 08:01:41 PM
Gotcha. Just ask Don about roof mounted tents, if you want to see someone get riled up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 07, 2015, 09:17:43 AM
Gotcha. Just ask Don about roof mounted tents, if you want to see someone get riled up!
Well, I think Bruiser is talking about a purchased one not a home (not) made one!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 07, 2015, 11:48:21 AM
Who ever is near LV there is one on ebay right now for under 1k, Henderson to be exact!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Rescue Man on January 07, 2015, 02:45:49 PM

I have a set of 3200 Lumen LED bulbs for the Silverado which should be going in this week. But they too have some sort of ballast/ignition unit and are not simply bulb units. With the HID's the bulbs weren't what failed, it is always the ballast units going bad. I hope these new LED units are not the same.

I may have missed it somewhere between C-Max's build thread or D2's, but where did you find the LED bulb/ballast set up that you plan to put in C-Max?
They are JDM bulbs, check them out...

Do you have a link to where you found yours? I'm just not sure exactly what I am looking for!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 07, 2015, 02:48:30 PM
Maybe here:

http://store.ijdmtoy.com/
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 08, 2015, 07:22:06 AM
Hey Don-

When's the new scheduled date for the upgrade on the ole knee?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 08, 2015, 08:10:13 AM
Hey Don-

When's the new scheduled date for the upgrade on the ole knee?
Not scheduled yet...testing...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2015, 05:33:50 PM
Here's a short update:

The motor is comfortably resting within the frame rails of Square D once again!

Did it all by my lonesome, man that is one heavy engine and trans. Sort of creeped me out when I had it jacked all the way up and hanging in the air. But after a lot of weight lifting like heaving it settled into it's reconditioned cross member and I bolted it down

There is something really weird going on though...When I went to bolt the transmission cross member back in, it no longer fits. It seems the frame rails have closed up about an inch!!!
Now how is that possible??? As far as I know I didn't get into any crashes with it since I had the motor out, all I did was to strip it, recondition, weld in all those plates and refinish it.
I'm betting welding all the frame boxing plates has tweaked the frame a bit. So I'll try to hydraulically spread the rails apart and if that doesn't work, I'll have to redrill the holes and bolt everything together is a slightly altered position...

More to come
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 16, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
The motor is comfortably resting within the frame rails of Square D once again!

You say this, yet I (we) have no photographic evidence... Much like the unicorn or a very humble Warrant Officer... this must be a myth!  ;D







Congrats on getting to this checkpoint.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2015, 10:25:43 PM
It's true, the motor is bolted back in

But I didn't have enough pics to warrant a full blown write-up so I thought I'd wait until I get the cross member reattached at least before posting.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 16, 2015, 10:32:04 PM
Most certainly the welding- no load on the frame, no bracing from trans mount etc. allows for shift.  Learned that the hard way when I got all excited welding a door panel on race car.  It warped and Dad made me grind it off and straighten it out and re-install tacking and spot welding it first then finish the long runs.  Did I say I hate grinding?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on January 17, 2015, 01:00:32 AM
Congrats Don, but I'm with Bobby. Anyone can claim to have done something, but pics pretty much prove it....unless you're really good at photoshopping, but that's another discussion.:)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:10:21 PM
OK, OK..Pics..I get it!

So let's get this motor installed

As you can see that's a lot of weight...scary weight and you have to lift it up really high! EEK!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:11:56 PM
And it's finally in!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:14:39 PM
With the 3/4" nuts tightened down on the motor mounts, it's time to get the transmission cross member in

First I installed the trans adapter (Iron) mount, then the plate where the rubber mounts attach to, then finally the cross member
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:17:39 PM
And this is the point where I discovered the frame had changed it's position from when all this was taken apart. The 6 ea outboard cross member bolt holes were about an inch out of alignment.

Knowing I wouldn't be able to bend the frame (Earlier I entertained that idea) I decided to simply re-drill the holes. I started with some 1/8" pilot holes
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:19:00 PM
In just minutes I had the cross member fitting like it belonged there. I used new 3/8" flanged frame bolts to secure it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:21:36 PM
In the earlier pic, you may notice the upper legs of the cross member mount and the fuel filter mount I created were a good 3/4" or more from fitting. That suggests the bottom edge of the frame rolled in toward the vehicle center. Using C-Clamps, I jacked the parts together and secured them with new hardware including nylon lock nuts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:23:53 PM
Next up, this being a day of heavy lifting, the transfer case gets installed. First I had to pull the studs, which came out when I unscrewed the nuts, remove the nuts, then Locktite them back into the transfer case mounting flange
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:25:17 PM
It got a new gasket and blue RTV prior to getting hoisted into place

And no, I didn't forget to install the all important splined coupling
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:27:27 PM
Using my abused motorcycle jack, I hoisted the thing into position, then started a wrastlin' match to slide it home

Note: This is not easy!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:28:29 PM
It boggles my mind as to why this considerable chunk of iron doesn't have it's own mount to help support all that weight!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:29:56 PM
Then I buttoned up the bottom of the trans/torque converter access
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:31:32 PM
Now it's time to build that transfer case cross member

It will fit around and capture this aluminum bearing housing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:32:30 PM
Here's the first part of the mount
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:33:37 PM
I welded a poly bushing DOM sleeve to the extension piece
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:35:26 PM
The bushing is color matched to the body bushings, achieving a pleasing blending of color on the underside!



Anyone here think I give three hoots about color matching???


Not!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:36:05 PM
And that fits like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:37:01 PM
Time to grow it a bit more.

Here it gets two tabs and a 1/2" bolt
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
I ground a radius into the tabs and welded them to some steel tube
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:38:44 PM
Putting the parts together, you can start to see how it will all fit
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:39:39 PM
Bolted loosely into place and hanging:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:40:57 PM
But I'm not into reducing ground clearance, so it got tucked up nice and tight into the frame
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
Red dog is always laying in wait to steal away some unattended screw driver or pair of pliers. Today I only lost a couple of gloves!

So looking from the side, I didn't lose very much if any ground clearance
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2015, 06:43:44 PM
So that does it for build day 204
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 17, 2015, 07:47:16 PM
I still see daylight, you can't be done!



Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on January 18, 2015, 12:53:58 AM
Wow lots of progress! Great to see!

How'd the knee hold up???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
Wow lots of progress! Great to see!

How'd the knee hold up???
Knee is OK, workable

I'm on a personal crusade to free up floor space

The more I get bolted back on that truck, the more space I have!

I finally realized doing something like this is not working in a linear methodology. No, it is more akin of problem solving. One simply solves one problem, then addresses the next, and the next and so forth. Then at some magical point in the future, you have solved the propensity of the problems and you are more or less finished...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 18, 2015, 10:04:04 AM
Great progress-

Serious armchair QB question:

Given the considerable torque of the motor and drive line, isn't that new Transfer case mount going to potentially cause problems when it restricts those twisting forces, placing all that force around your bearing collar where that steel clamp attaches to the aluminum collar? ???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on January 18, 2015, 11:33:35 AM
Mike, the amount of flex that the rear of the transfer case receives will easily be absorbed by that poly mount.....unless one of the engine mounts break.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 18, 2015, 02:01:49 PM
"I finally realized doing something like this is not working in a linear methodology. No, it is more akin of problem solving. One simply solves one problem, then addresses the next, and the next and so forth. Then at some magical point in the future, you have solved the propensity of the problems and you are more or less finished..."

I like that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

And that trans mount is just darn purdy. Then your picture reminded me I still have to find these cross member trusses. I got the lower but forgot the those!!

And do I see that those are stock with grim and all the other 200k stuff on them?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 18, 2015, 02:39:35 PM
OK, lets fire that puppy up!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2015, 03:06:52 PM
Great progress-

Serious armchair QB question:

Given the considerable torque of the motor and drive line, isn't that new Transfer case mount going to potentially cause problems when it restricts those twisting forces, placing all that force around your bearing collar where that steel clamp attaches to the aluminum collar? ???
Dunno Mikey

very good point though

Undoubtedly it will arrest some of the twisting movement, however that's the job of those new motor mounts with their rubber imbedded steel interlocks.

And, I'd offer that this design is in service on NP205'S all over the off roading world (Read: Very low gearing with very high resultant axle torqueing)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2015, 03:10:03 PM

And do I see that those are stock with grim and all the other 200k stuff on them?

Nossir!, no grime on those mounts or anything else under there. I took them down to nearly bare steel then finally top coated with undercoating...That's the texturing you see there.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 18, 2015, 08:38:55 PM

And do I see that those are stock with grim and all the other 200k stuff on them?

Nossir!, no grime on those mounts or anything else under there. I took them down to nearly bare steel then finally top coated with undercoating...That's the texturing you see there.

Just making sure,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:35:41 PM
Today I finished the crossmember

Starting with some angle plates, I attached them to the frame through some existing holes, and I had to create a few more
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:37:22 PM
I decided to use 4ea 3/8" bolts on each side with 3/16" steel to use that cross member to help stiffen up the chassis some more
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Those plates fell in at the point the frame bends upward so I made them larger to span that region to prevent flexing at what is likely a weaker point

Next I made the side plates. The concept of the operation was to drill a hole in plates the size of the pipe OD, then use the plate to completely capture the tube. I wanted to completely control the torsional movement of that cross member steel tube
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:43:19 PM
Then I massaged the plates to make them more finished in appearance and remove sharp corners that might hang up on Kia body parts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:45:32 PM
Then the parts were assembled and tacked together, then skip welded while they were bolted in place to minimize warping
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:46:29 PM
Then for a complete finish welding
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
The ends of the tube were closed up with these steel plugs, then the whole thing was ground down and wire brushed in prep for the paint process
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:49:50 PM
Then the painting. Here is the last coat of Nason acrylic enamel laid down
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
A little foreshadowing...

These are new springs meant for a 2003ish Silverado 2500HD. These bad mommas are a full 64" in length. Stockers are a paltry 52". With 14" extra spring this truck's road manners will likely put a caddy to shame!

And that's it for build day 205
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 19, 2015, 11:04:44 PM
Now that is a stout cross member. Looks like it will withstand a skid plate easy to protect that purty 205.

If that tank wasn't there I would have said bend that pipe up out of the way!!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 20, 2015, 06:29:36 AM
FORESHADOWING:

You put it next to the dog bowl- those springs are now property of the Red Dog and it's minions!  :o
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Post by: Nate on January 20, 2015, 09:51:57 AM
Either my eye sight is going or it may even be a bad pic, that cross member looks as though it is already bent?
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Post by: JR on January 20, 2015, 10:18:39 AM
Either my eye sight is going or it may even be a bad pic, that cross member looks as though it is already bent?

I think that is just the picture but no gusset???
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Post by: EL TATE on January 20, 2015, 10:45:49 AM
Or Nate and I have the same bad eyes. It looks warped up on the right hand side (looking at the picture perspective). too much heat on the center mount welds?
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 11:16:10 AM
Either my eye sight is going or it may even be a bad pic, that cross member looks as though it is already bent?

Eyesight is 20/20 Nate

I put a slight bend in it to help clear the gas tank better
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 11:18:53 AM
Either my eye sight is going or it may even be a bad pic, that cross member looks as though it is already bent?

I think that is just the picture but no gusset???

JR<
I was looking at it and decided it didn't need no stinkin' gusset

It either supports weight or counters torsion, so gussets aren't really necessary, although would add extra security against possible cracking, which I don't believe will ever happen. Remember, these trucks (As most) never had transfer case mounts.
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Post by: JR on January 20, 2015, 01:56:41 PM
Ok, but it does need some protection from KIAs??
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
Ok, but it does need some protection from KIAs??
Well...Not really

OK, got some more done today. Good working day, it was mid upper 40's all day so I kept up a bristling pace for maybe 6 hours.

First up I undercoated the inside surfaces of that new cross member
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:46:03 PM
While that was setting up, I painted the transfer case upper mount with the acid primer then two coats of my favorite JD stuff
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
I also got on the new(er) Great Lakes Off-Road front diff cover. This one is extra special. One of Shawn's creations it is made from steel 1/2" thick at the flange, and either 5/16" or 3/8" thick cover and on this one an added 1/2" thick piece of Hyundai crushin' ex naval battleship armor to the bottom...Yup, it's stout
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:50:18 PM
I glued the gasket to the diff cover leaving the diff surface untouched. This will make this gasket reusable should I ever need to remove it again
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:51:04 PM
The last set of frame bolts I used rusted, so I painted this new set black first
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:51:54 PM
And, on it goes
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:53:41 PM
That is Randy's (Yukon) Zip air locker shinin' there in the sunlight for the last time (I think), as it now is wading in 3.75 quarts of Valvoline 75-90
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:54:57 PM
OK, that's in the bag...time to get one more little something done. The speedo transducer, yup, that'll do!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
Yes, JR, it's clean!

Undercoating was dry, so next the new cross member was permanized!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:00:45 PM
Next up is the exhaust.

To fit the HX-49 style turbocharger to this generation truck requires a different, special pipe. Whereas before I had a 4" pipe necked down to 3", this pipe is 4" all the way through to handle the much increased exhaust flow this bigger turbo will produce.

THing is, the pipe will not fit the existing exhaust system, so some custom fitting is needed

Here's the new down pipe and the old mid pipe which I cleaned up
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:26:34 PM
Here the mid pipe is temporarily installed, so I can get an idea about where I need to trim it
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:28:47 PM
The down pipe interfered with everything.

First the dip stick had to go

Next this cowl to pan flange needed to be bent inward flat to the firewall

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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:30:37 PM
With those things done the down pipe almost fit but was touching the heater box weather boot and insulator in these two spots
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:32:18 PM
While the down pipe was loosely bolted in place, I marked where it was to be cut
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:32:49 PM
Removing this much:
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:33:49 PM
Then I notched the heater box weather boot
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:34:55 PM
That resulted in a pretty good fit that will leave room for some heat wrap
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:37:21 PM
Then I cut the mid pipe and we can see that the fit is good enough. I'll clamp it together with a stainless 4" butt clamp and seal up the gap and clamp it tightly together
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:39:19 PM
Still wanting to get more parts off the floor, shelves, bed and so forth, I went after one more install, the rear driveshaft.

Again I used the GLO U-joint caps which are three times bulletproof
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2015, 07:40:25 PM
And that, boyz and girlz is the end of build day 206
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 20, 2015, 08:46:31 PM
Wow- really starting to look like its ready to roll over hybrids and mulch beds! ;D
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Post by: KensAuto on January 20, 2015, 09:28:55 PM
Good work bossman.
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Post by: Nate on January 20, 2015, 09:53:12 PM
Great progress
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Post by: Dawg25385 on January 20, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
Great work! Do you think you'll have to hack some more off the heater core shroud, or will the heat tape do it? Seems pretty close to the plastic!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 21, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Great work! Do you think you'll have to hack some more off the heater core shroud, or will the heat tape do it? Seems pretty close to the plastic!

The actual fiberglass heater core assembly is still some distance inside that cover. All that is removed is a section of the "Weather boot" part which is a rubber/fiber mat composite. I might have to trim some more, but it will clear an additional 1/2" of heat wrap so I might be OK.
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Post by: BobbyB on January 21, 2015, 10:16:12 AM
Wow- really starting to look like its ready to roll over hybrids and mulch beds! ;D

And FLEX the suspension?? Are you crazy! Think of the mud damage... oh the carnage and horror!!!
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Post by: JR on January 21, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
Very nice, fire it up!! Just make sure red dog is chewing on the fan  8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:50:32 PM
OK, let's push this project a little further along

First thing the exhaust got buttoned up with the help of the newly arrived 4" butt clamp
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
By carefully bending the transmission dip stick all over the place, I got it to fit around that huge 4" down pipe

I clamped it to a transmission hard line to secure it in place
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:53:14 PM
That dipstick now resides almost under the turbocharger, so I also had to bend the handle to get it to fit
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:54:36 PM
Time now to say bye-bye to the fat lip front bumper. It gets relegated to the trash heap!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:55:50 PM
Then with some quick grinding the last bit of rust was removed and coated with the rubberized undercoating
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:58:26 PM
Moving right along and still clearing parts off the floor, I tackled the sway bar. Now, I had planned to do something interesting with it, however, for now I just want to get it on so I can press forward with actually getting a useable truck.
I tried fitting it to the front, but that is a huge no-go. The new crossover steering took the real-estate where it would reside. So it is going under the engine facing forward, here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:58:56 PM
And will mount to the frame here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 05:59:56 PM
In an attempt to get the bar more or less level, I started with some thick 2" square tubing and cut it to length, two pieces
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 06:00:39 PM
Then they were drilled and tapped for 3/8"/16 thread
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Everything is fitting well so far
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 06:03:16 PM
The suspension end of the sway bar mounts to these simple "L" brackets which bolt to the spring plates
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 06:05:07 PM
Then the mounts were welded to the frame along with some reinforcing plates which were rose welded first

One side of the mounts has studs, pictured here just to make assembly easier, no other reason...
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
After cooling then cleaning the new mounts were graciously coated with undercoating, then the sway bar was permanently attached
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
A few more views
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2015, 06:10:43 PM
And that wraps up Build Day 207
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 24, 2015, 07:56:29 AM
Great progress and solution to the fitment problem!  Does the movement aft change the anti-roll forces of the sway bar?  I know the mounting location of the ends is the same, but did you loose or gain force moving the bulk of the bar 180* ?
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2015, 09:06:54 AM
Great progress and solution to the fitment problem!  Does the movement aft change the anti-roll forces of the sway bar?  I know the mounting location of the ends is the same, but did you loose or gain force moving the bulk of the bar 180* ?
Don't know Mike
However just looking at it from a physics standpoint I moved the "Arm" closer to the fore-aft Center of Gravity so the bar should to some small degree work on the whole vehicle and not just the front.
I got the idea from my old Tundra which mounted it's bar in a similar fashion.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2015, 09:09:14 AM
I'm not done with this either. I would still like to work in some method to allow me to disconnect one side from the other.
Now I have an idea of how much room I will have and where the mechanicals will have to lie.
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Post by: JR on January 25, 2015, 12:38:15 AM
Looks nice Don. Got a pic over in the SUB build for you.

I think moving it to the back would change nothing on how it works if mounted to the same basic "points" on the frame and axle. Reminded me of the guys who say a cranked up torsion bar will ride worse than a stock setting.

FIRE IT UP!!!!  ;D
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 25, 2015, 08:44:32 AM
Looks nice Don. Got a pic over in the SUB build for you.

I think moving it to the back would change nothing on how it works if mounted to the same basic "points" on the frame and axle. Reminded me of the guys who say a cranked up torsion bar will ride worse than a stock setting.

FIRE IT UP!!!!  ;D

Copy...

Fire it up??

I hear ya, working on it

Next up is the radiator support. once that is in, probably the wiring harness lines and hoses, or the rear 64" springs...

Getting there!
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Post by: Armalite on January 26, 2015, 03:05:03 PM
Glad to see more progress being made over here...  Seems things were collecting a little dust, lol....  Nice work Don.   :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 06:39:41 PM
Hey Ash, yep, got slowed down for awhile. But just finished a 8+ hour day on the truck just now, so there will be some significant changes.

No time to post it all up at the moment so I'll put out this little teaser.

I installed that heat proof blanket over the exhaust down pipe.

The blanket itself is a high quality piece which clamps around the pipe in several places
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 06:40:25 PM
Here is where it is going:
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 06:41:13 PM
And here it is all installed:
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 26, 2015, 06:50:27 PM
Tease!  How often have you been called that outside of San Francisco?  ::)
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 09:56:35 PM
The big project for the day was to get the radiator core fitted.

A lot has changed in this truck. The P-Pump engine locates the water pump in a different location which measn the fan moved. Additionally I added 1" Body mount spacers, and finally the truck now sports a cross flow 2nd generation aluminum radiator. So really, nothing is the same except for the actual sheet metal of the core support itself!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 09:58:05 PM
Right away the radiator alignment called for the removal of the bottom of the fan shroud
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:00:03 PM
The initial fitting resulted in a little more material being removed, but in the end the core support stood straight up and everything fit
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:02:03 PM
With the radiator fitting the engine and core support, it is finally time to refit the intercooler. This big 2nd gen I/C is at least twice the size of a first gen unit. There is going to be some big changes happening to the core support sheet metal to accommodate that big sucker
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:03:50 PM
I removed the stock I/C lower mounts
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:06:02 PM
The main upright supports and stiffeners will need to be completely removed, which will substantially weaken the core support, so intervention will be required
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:09:23 PM
Before removing the largest structural section of the core support, I decided to stiffen up what I had first.

Step 1 of that process was to skip weld in a section of 1" angle steel
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:11:35 PM
Followed by 3/4" square tubing uprights
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
The three center reinforcements skip welded in:
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:15:46 PM
Next I cut out the access for the new I/C inlet and discharge tubes
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:17:51 PM
Close, but not yet. The factory stiffeners are in the way, time for more surgery
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:20:42 PM
The remnants of the uprights are in the way of where to lower IC mounts need to sit, so I had to remove them as well

But first I added two more upright braces to the area that lost the sheet metal
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
Here the rest of the vertical upright is removed from the lower core
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:23:58 PM
And now the rest of that stiffener is removed
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:25:38 PM
The I/C fit great and tucked in nicely so I permanized it in it's new found home!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:27:21 PM
And then the new upper mounts which nearly completes the new I/C mounting
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2015, 10:29:29 PM
I still have to create a mount for the A/C condenser but for now that is the end of another build day, call this one #208
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Post by: Nate on January 27, 2015, 09:22:07 AM
Nice fabrication
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Post by: EL TATE on January 27, 2015, 10:54:47 AM
Nice fabrication

Indeed. It's nice to see that form and function work well with aesthetics. That support will probably stiffen up the chassis up front as well as protect the IC. Nice work.

BTW, new welding table? is that 3/8" or 1/2" plywood? I'm looking to upgrade my personal welding table at home as well ;)
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 11:01:38 AM
Nice fabrication
BTW, new welding table? is that 3/8" or 1/2" plywood? I'm looking to upgrade my personal welding table at home as well ;)

That's funny!

Yup new 3/4" MDF welding table...!!!

And it is sitting on top of my two Harbor Freight (Real) welding tables!!!
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Post by: JR on January 27, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
Nice fabrication
BTW, new welding table? is that 3/8" or 1/2" plywood? I'm looking to upgrade my personal welding table at home as well ;)

That's funny!

Yup new 3/4" MDF welding table...!!!

And it is sitting on top of my two Harbor Freight (Real) welding tables!!!

Well it works, and burns and is good for posting.

Oh, and they are one sale right now!!!!!!!!!! (HF table, not MDF)
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Post by: EL TATE on January 27, 2015, 05:04:31 PM
Nice fabrication
BTW, new welding table? is that 3/8" or 1/2" plywood? I'm looking to upgrade my personal welding table at home as well ;)

That's funny!

Yup new 3/4" MDF welding table...!!!

And it is sitting on top of my two Harbor Freight (Real) welding tables!!!

That is awesome. You should send that picture to HF and gently suggest that they make their tables a bit taller for you pilot types. I thought it was MDF, but also looked like some wood grain in one of the pics. The work it produces is sharp though, so I can't knock the formula. Weld on Sir.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:07:22 PM
Weld I will!

OK good news and bad news

Good news is the core support is finished and painted as of this moment

Bad news is there is no way possible to mount the AC Condensor on the core support

The 1st gen truck was all compacted and had a short "Nose"

Within the confines of that snout was a radiator, which was not as big as this monster 2nd gen thing I have used. It had a smallish condenser wedged in between the radiator and a smallish intercooler that again, was about 1/3 as large as the thing I am using.

So it's just physics and real estate. No condenser in the core, which means I am going to have to get rather inventive and maybe stick it in one of the fender wells, or perhaps onto the bottom of the hood, or even on top of the topper...dunno yet

So, here is the final fitting of the IC which fits rather well I think
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:11:47 PM
Doing a little mockup here and you can clearly see I am out of room
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:13:15 PM
With the decision made to press on it was time for sanding, grinding, hole patching, cleaning and painting

Here the process begins
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:14:48 PM
After the wire wheel, there was a lot of shiny steel so I pulled out the acid etching primer and coated those spots
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:15:54 PM
Next is the epoxy primer/sealer
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:16:53 PM
Then the 1st coat of the Armee Green
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:18:25 PM
And a second coat to finish it. I painted the truck with three coats but this part will almost be unseen and covered so 2 coats will suffice
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:19:12 PM
So that's a wrap for another build day!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
Oh, and C-Max said to say hello!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 27, 2015, 06:39:42 PM
Hey Don-

Did you go hybrid on CMax?  What's that yellow cord for?  You can't be needing that block heater!?  Don't pull mine out till near zero up here in snowland ! :D
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2015, 08:54:40 PM
Hey Don-

Did you go hybrid on CMax?  What's that yellow cord for?  You can't be needing that block heater!?  Don't pull mine out till near zero up here in snowland ! :D
Trickle charger
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Post by: JR on January 27, 2015, 11:23:57 PM
Dang, you must be ignoring it to put it on a trickle!!!!!!!!!

I have to rebuild the stock filter housing on mine. Pressure keeps bleeding off and have to pump it up.

Just 4 coats on the rad support, might be OK.
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Post by: ceelibs on January 28, 2015, 07:29:00 AM
Weld I will!

OK good news and bad news

Good news is the core support is finished and painted as of this moment

Bad news is there is no way possible to mount the AC Condensor on the core support

The 1st gen truck was all compacted and had a short "Nose"

Within the confines of that snout was a radiator, which was not as big as this monster 2nd gen thing I have used. It had a smallish condenser wedged in between the radiator and a smallish intercooler that again, was about 1/3 as large as the thing I am using.

So it's just physics and real estate. No condenser in the core, which means I am going to have to get rather inventive and maybe stick it in one of the fender wells, or perhaps onto the bottom of the hood, or even on top of the topper...dunno yet

So, here is the final fitting of the IC which fits rather well I think
What about modifying the o.e. grill or making one yourself? Not too many other suitable places to mount a condenser and still have it get the needed airflow, theres also the size of it (which, if your going to convert the a/c to 135a refrigerant is marginally sized to begin with...btdt...oh and if your doing a 134a retrofit you might want to look into a parallel flow condesner, they are more efficient and are avail in the aftermarket...rock auto has them, just look in the part description, also a couple good r12-134a conversion threads on dtr and cuminsforum).
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 07:51:37 AM

What about modifying the o.e. grill or making one yourself? Not too many other suitable places to mount a condenser and still have it get the needed airflow, theres also the size of it (which, if your going to convert the a/c to 135a refrigerant is marginally sized to begin with...btdt...oh and if your doing a 134a retrofit you might want to look into a parallel flow condesner, they are more efficient and are avail in the aftermarket...rock auto has them, just look in the part description, also a couple good r12-134a conversion threads on dtr and cuminsforum).
Hmmm, hadn't thought about conversion to R134, perhaps I should since it is more readily available than Freon is.

No way I can cut away the back of the grill to fit it. The way the grill inserts fit in make that impossible. And I am already less than zero clearance, that is, I have to stretch the grill down to the fastener holes.

Nope I'm stuck with the problem it seems

Parallel flow condenser...Rock Auto...Got it!
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Post by: JR on January 28, 2015, 11:26:42 AM
Has anyone used Envirosafe R12/132 replacement? I just got some for retrofit and topping off my R12 systems. Plus you use less and is easy to get.

Just an idea Don,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
Has anyone used Envirosafe R12/132 replacement? I just got some for retrofit and topping off my R12 systems. Plus you use less and is easy to get.

Just an idea Don,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

OK, I'll look into it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:04:56 PM
Pressing ever onward It's time to get some more big parts off the floor and reassembled

Here's the radiator core support after the paint cured
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:06:41 PM
The lower edges were given a coating of rubberized undercoating because it seems this area sometimes holds moisture, especially if there is some sort of radiator leak
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
The front I/C mounts got the same treatment
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:09:48 PM
I plan to isolate the wheel well area as one big air plenum. Therefore, this opening needs to be closed off. A simple piece of aluminum bedded in RTV did the trick
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on January 28, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
You can put that condenser anywhere you like,(the aftermarket parallel flow style) as long as you put an electric fan on it.
last year I had the same issue on a 50 Chebee p/u...ended up putting the condenser/fan assembly under the passenger side floorboard, fan blowing down. Note: this will only work if you lay it flat, not standing on either end. A good side benefit from this is ending up with more freon capacity from the longer hoses...in this case 134a. (Freon is slang for refrigerant).
I also agree on converting it (to 134a)...just get it over with.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:16:10 PM
You can put that condenser anywhere you like,(the aftermarket parallel flow style) as long as you put an electric fan on it.
last year I had the same issue on a 50 Chebee p/u...ended up putting the condenser/fan assembly under the passenger side floorboard, fan blowing down. Note: this will only work if you lay it flat, not standing on either end. A good side benefit from this is ending up with more freon capacity from the longer hoses...in this case 134a. (Freon is slang for refrigerant).
I also agree on converting it (to 134a)...just get it over with.
I am thinking of mounting it on the roof of the truck in that rack I built, or even on the roof of the topper
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:17:02 PM
While things were curing I reinstalled the front brake lines
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
That took just long enough for the undercoating to sufficiently harden, so starting with the mounts, I applied some poly grease to all surfaces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
Then I bolted it in loosely and slid the radiator in. I did this without realizing the I/C must be installed first then the radiator nestles within the recesses in it's large inlet and outlet tubes
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:23:39 PM
The intercooler was installed, which required another relief cut of the fan shroud, then it all fit and was bolted in for good.
With that in the bag, I sourced my B&D Diesel heavy duty intercooler boots which exceed stock by a wide margin
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:25:30 PM
They fit well and feature spring supplemented band clamps.

I threw on a new Goodyear lower radiator hose, a stocker for 94-98 trucks
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:26:20 PM
The truck got a new Goodyear upper hose as well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:28:20 PM
The intercooler piping was is great condition with only some small areas of corrosion, so they were sanded off, primed, then painted with the wrinkle black paint along with the turbo discharge piece
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:30:26 PM
The first coat had some bleed-through, but the second heavy coat covered everything
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 04:31:30 PM
That's it for another 6 hour day, build day 210 in this evolving saga!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on January 28, 2015, 08:01:32 PM
Nice progress
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 28, 2015, 09:38:45 PM
Slowly, but surely!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on January 28, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
Gettin' there...almost ready for start-up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:16:14 PM
Not so fast Ken...still a metric tonne of work yet to do!

Here's how those wrinkly parts turned out:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
Here's the turbo side installed
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:18:23 PM
And the cold side
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:18:51 PM
Quick shot of the intercooler
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:20:23 PM
Right now I'm fishing around seeing what fits and what needs to change or get replaced.

The 91 throttle cable is 10" too short so it will go bye-bye in favor of something a bit longer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
Time to get on the wiring harness

The plan is to lay the stocker in and see where I am. I will be cutting lots of things off of it that will never be reused. I will also be adding new wiring for lights, sensors, and various controls. After I get everything where I need it, I'll rewrap the new harness and make it all one piece and factory looking

The stocker before the fireworks:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:24:08 PM
Going in here, it is one ugly mess
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:24:56 PM
After connecting the hood release I wrangled the radiator top seal in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:27:28 PM
The factory fuel filter is fed from the mechanical fuel pump by a pinched down 5/16" line. Framkly it amazes me these motors made so much power with so limited a fuel flow

Anyway the plan will be to use something bigger like the one I already have installed and see if I can connect the factory water in fuel sensor in my aftermarket arrangement
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:30:06 PM
Here's the first casualty, the old rear anti-lock brake controller.

It is a useless item since there are no longer any of the anti-lock brake junk on this truck
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:31:04 PM
The harness is starting to get tucked in here
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:32:37 PM
Next up, the initial fitting of the front battery tray shows the enlarged radiator is now in the way requiring a relief cut
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:34:17 PM
Also the window washer tank is big time in the way, so it leaves as well. I have that big 6-7 gallon custom tank in the back, so that is where the windshield washer fluid will be coming from now
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:35:41 PM
And now the battery tray fits in its factory location with room to spare
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:37:19 PM
The tray got the cleaning and coating treatment using corrosion resistant truck bed liner
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:39:03 PM
Here is the actual engine harness. Almost none of it will be used since none of the VE pump items exist on a P-Pump engine
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 29, 2015, 06:40:24 PM
With that harness loosely installed I ran out of time for this, the 211th build day on SquareD
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on January 29, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
so your gonna run the water/alcohol mixture for the washer fluid?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 29, 2015, 09:55:18 PM
For gosh sakes, start it up!!!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 08:15:49 AM
so your gonna run the water/alcohol mixture for the washer fluid?
Same stuff!
Washer fluid is a mixture of 50% Ethanol alcohol and 50% denatured water
Specialized H2O fluid such as "Boost Juice" is 51% Alcohol/49% H2O

most people just run the blue washer fluid in their boost systems!

So sure it's fine to use the same fluid to make 50-75 more HP and clean the bugs off your windshield while you're charging up a hill with a heavy load!

Cool hugh?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 08:17:56 AM
For gosh sakes, start it up!!!!!!

Fuel system incomplete
Wiring harness not in
Power not connected yet
fluids
connections
Filler neck not connected
Main electrical cable not run yet
on and on and on...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 30, 2015, 08:19:46 AM
Do remember to add a note to add diesel to the tank.. With all the big important time consuming things, I don't wanna see you miss a small yet some what critical step in the Square D story, when it comes to start up time...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 08:59:49 AM
Do remember to add a note to diesel to the tank.. With all the big important time consuming things, I don't wanna see you miss a small yet some what critical step in the Square D story, when it comes to start up time...
Copy that

With all I have going on with this truck, I'm surprised I remembered to bolt the doors back on!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 30, 2015, 09:40:48 AM

With all I have going on with this truck, I'm surprised I remembered to bolt the doors back on!

Did you FLY with doors?

I rest my case...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
No, we didn't!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on January 30, 2015, 02:30:40 PM
Is that your bird or just a file pic??

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 30, 2015, 02:39:53 PM
No, we didn't!

I know, but see, it proves doors aren't really useful on D2.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:07:59 PM
Is that your bird or just a file pic??


That is a pic I took of Chalk-2 the bird flying beside me. I was in the same kind of ship, Super-Huey-2
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
Well, lots of tedious work today, but it won't look like a lot of progress.

The propensity of today's work was in the wiring harness and sorting all that out.

I am now having to carefully take the old harness apart to check everything, to delete no longer used wires and generally clean things up. Additionally I have to run all sorts of new wires to things that are going to be, that never were in gen 1 harnesses.

Let's start with that battery tray. It was dry so I thought I'd install that first
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:13:01 PM
For now it is only mounted to the core support. It will need a fender and wheel well to get fully bolted in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:14:09 PM
Next up I test fitted the wheel wells. The drivers side went right on with no mods
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
The passenger side needed relief cuts for the  intercooler piping and for the shock mount
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:20:05 PM
The wheel wells will need to be sanded, stripped, painted and coated with bed liner on the bottom side before they are ready to reinstall. That is a couple day process, so I thought I'd get them going while I finish the wiring harness

You may recall I was considering trying to use the factory fuel filter since it had a hater detector. Well, I tried about everything I could think of to add it in, but in the end it simply will not fit, so I scrapped that idea
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:21:31 PM
Back to the wiring harness, all of these connectors will no longer be used
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
After cleaning the harness and adding new wiring, this is what I currently have:

It will be rewrapped with some sort of a loom to make it all purdy, but for now it's all nekid and exposed

WHile I was in the area, I pulled the stock fuel pump off. It only has 5/16" fuel line at best and probably has restrictions in that. With no way to enlarge the lines to or from it, I am eliminating it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:25:43 PM
A small block Chevy fuel pump block off did the trick!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 30, 2015, 10:28:06 PM
A few more wires pulled along with the aft battery positive cable and it was time to wrap up the day. Tonight was Dad's day with the boys. We went to see an awful movie, "Almanac" and now I feel dumber than I did before the movie!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 31, 2015, 09:01:06 AM
It's early, and I haven't had my coffee yet, but did you just remove the fuel pump and NOT replace it with another one, a better one? Or is that a step you haven't posted yet?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 31, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
Its a new "Green Initiative" Bobby- zero carbon foot print! ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 31, 2015, 09:52:46 AM
It's early, and I haven't had my coffee yet, but did you just remove the fuel pump and NOT replace it with another one, a better one? Or is that a step you haven't posted yet?
I  did remove it, but there is not a better mechanical pump that fits there

So I plan to add two electrical lift pumps wired in parallel with one way check valves.

Lemme splain

Ya see electrical pumps do fail, run out of juice so's to speek

So it I bring the main supply line into a "Y" then each branch to a separate pump assembly then either one could supply the fuel to the engine. And by placing a one way check valve on each pump's outlet, then fuel could only move out, to the engine. So if one pump was running and the other off, which will be the normal configuration, then it would provide full pressure (about 10 psi) through a large supply line up to the motor.

And dat is what I'm gonna' do!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 31, 2015, 09:53:48 AM
Its a new "Green Initiative" Bobby- zero carbon foot print! ;)

Why are we so against carbon anyway?

Heck we're made out of the stuff!

And that's why we Kentuckians are so right with the earth.

We mine coal...Coal is carbon...then we get it all over things and ourselves, making us one with the world!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 31, 2015, 10:35:48 AM
Its a new "Green Initiative" Bobby- zero carbon foot print! ;)

Ah well that makes sense. lol




I  did remove it, but there is not a better mechanical pump that fits there

So I plan to add two electrical lift pumps wired in parallel with one way check valves.

Lemme splain

Ya see electrical pumps do fail, run out of juice so's to speek

So it I bring the main supply line into a "Y" then each branch to a separate pump assembly then either one could supply the fuel to the engine. And by placing a one way check valve on each pump's outlet, then fuel could only move out, to the engine. So if one pump was running and the other off, which will be the normal configuration, then it would provide full pressure (about 10 psi) through a large supply line up to the motor.

And dat is what I'm gonna' do!

Ah I see.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on January 31, 2015, 11:23:21 AM
2 electrical pumps, got it.  one feed line splitting into a "Y", got it.

2 questions.

1. how are the electric pumps going to be powered, ignition switch, toggle switch, are they both going to be powered at the same time, or is one of them going to be a back up?

2. if both pumps are going to be running at the same time, is there a concern that one or both wont get enough fuel through the 1 feed line?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Higher Caliber on January 31, 2015, 11:59:44 AM
Im concerned that this SBC fuel pump delete mod is going to be a problem! Is that CHROME??

What if haj blows your fender well off in a fire fight and there you are chugging along in stealth mode at a thousand meters down range of some north korean long gunner and he catches a glint off of that shiny piece of hardware??

Seems we need to mitigate the risk associated with all of that hippy chrome you are using!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on January 31, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
Im concerned that this SBC fuel pump delete mod is going to be a problem! Is that CHROME??

What if haj blows your fender well off in a fire fight and there you are chugging along in stealth mode at a thousand meters down range of some north korean long gunner and he catches a glint off of that shiny piece of hardware??

Seems we need to mitigate the risk associated with all of that hippy chrome you are using!  ;) ;)

I am with yah on this one HC.  I do remember somebody saying that chrome was a no go in his book, and yet here we are???? 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on January 31, 2015, 01:42:31 PM
Im concerned that this SBC fuel pump delete mod is going to be a problem! Is that CHROME??

What if haj blows your fender well off in a fire fight and there you are chugging along in stealth mode at a thousand meters down range of some north korean long gunner and he catches a glint off of that shiny piece of hardware??

Seems we need to mitigate the risk associated with all of that hippy chrome you are using!  ;) ;)

I agree. Too shiny! It needs a complete teardown and rebuild! That little spot ruins the low observable scheme you'd been striving for.

You can't argue with the Grunts on this.. you know we're S-M-R-T on this stuff.



Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 31, 2015, 06:41:26 PM
Hmmmm
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on January 31, 2015, 06:42:50 PM
2 electrical pumps, got it.  one feed line splitting into a "Y", got it.

2 questions.

1. how are the electric pumps going to be powered, ignition switch, toggle switch, are they both going to be powered at the same time, or is one of them going to be a back up?

2. if both pumps are going to be running at the same time, is there a concern that one or both wont get enough fuel through the 1 feed line?
I'll run the primary through the hot ignition bus so it's on when the key is on

The back up pump will be on a toggle or a push button
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 02, 2015, 04:57:40 PM
I use a Kennedy pump on mine for a lift pump, could be nice as your backup. Not alot of psi for a single (5-7) but has full bypass when not in use.

I agree, the only flashy part on SD should be muzzle flash,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:01:51 PM


I agree, the only flashy part on SD should be muzzle flash,,,,,,,,,,,,

Concur
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:06:07 PM
OK got a bit more done.

I am awaiting parts from Summit Racing to button up the wiring harness, hook up the transmission lines, and a couple other details.

But there is always plenty to get done so the big project for the day was to get the fuel shutoff in, and that got done.

First I finally got my grub snatchers on the proper sized 1/2" hardware so I bolted in the front shocks completing that project. Believe it or not, I had to drill the mounts since all that moved a tad during welding, and to do that I had to unbolt and reinstall things. You know the old axiom: You have to do work to be able to do work!

So here are the shocks in finally!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:07:13 PM
Then I soldered the end onto the hot battery cable from the aft battery
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:10:09 PM
OK, before the fuel shutoff cable goes in, I need to add some sort of bulkhead over that big hole in the firewall. So I made up a plate with a silicone rubber inner piece which I punched some holes into to route things both present and future
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:10:51 PM
It goes here:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:11:58 PM
Here's the rather thick piece of silicon rubber I will be using as a pass-through in that hole
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:13:01 PM
It fits like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:14:29 PM
Next this heavy duty aircraft cable system will be going in to shut off the engine manually and to heck with all that electrical jazz
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:15:25 PM
Here's the firewall side of things
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:17:24 PM
I mounted it next to the light switch. Push-in to shutoff, pull put to start and run the engine
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
I'll use this cable end to attach the cable to the fuel control lever
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:20:41 PM
I'm just using the stock solenoid mount as the base for my cable mount, starting with this plate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
Adding a simple upright will provide the place to clamp the cable to.

Then it got a couple coats of paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2015, 06:23:37 PM
And that wraps up build day 213
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on February 02, 2015, 10:45:57 PM
Not sure if you'll like the pull to run. If a knee or something were to bump it, off she goes. I've seen various shut offs over the years pull to kill.
Just my .02, but I'd be nervous in a SHTF situation of bumping it and your dead in the water.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Bob Smith on February 02, 2015, 11:30:35 PM
All the shut off I have been around were also pull to stop. One less thing sticking out of the dash in the way at the worst time.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 03, 2015, 08:28:31 AM
The ones I used in Armee trucks were also pull to stop, as is my dozer, but that is the only way I see to "Wire" it. Cable can't come in from the bottom, no room. So a pull from the top is about what I am left with.

I'll take a good long look at it to see if there is anyway to reverse things, but I doubt it...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 03, 2015, 08:39:15 AM
JR, I checked out those Kennedy Diesel pumps. Looks pretty good, especially that dual pump setup. I think I'll pick up one of those for my dual pump setup

Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cruizng on February 03, 2015, 11:02:39 AM
Don, Could you just fab a lever that would attach to the mount you already made up where the cable attaches to one side and a rod attaches to the lever and the original cable connection? My 1cts worth.  8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on February 03, 2015, 03:41:30 PM
Bobby went and looked at a Square D of my own. Maybe if tax time is nice and I eliminate some debt before late spring I shall own her.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 03, 2015, 06:08:37 PM
No work on the beast today, however, I did get some parts in, some things sorted out and the fuel system parts on order.

Thanks to JR, I solved the lift pump problem. He recommended Kennedy lift pumps so I checked them out. It seems they have a dual pump setup which bolts two of the single pumps together in tandem so without complicating the plumbing I got the dual pump setup I wanted more simply.

I will wire each pump independently so that I can run on pump A, Pump B, or both. Should one fail, then I would see no degradation to performance.

These pumps are centrifugal, not positive displacement. THat is both good and bad. Good because, if one if off, fuel passes around the impeller head as if it wasn't there. Bad because it will not self prime. It requires a bleeding process which required me to invest in a manual primer which I found conveniently located on a filter head
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 03, 2015, 07:11:36 PM
Here is my setup.

The filter is a 5 micron with water trap with the pump right after it with a splash shield as it sits IFO the tire. Pump is wired to ignition ON.

Up top I have the adapter to run a Cat 0749 filter that is 2 micron.

I change them at factory setting now since I get way more filtering and have about tripled my filter area.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 03, 2015, 08:41:55 PM
Did you have any problems with the prime when you first installed it?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 04, 2015, 02:17:46 AM
Did you have any problems with the prime when you first installed it?

Never been an issue, nice and quiet too.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 11:50:20 AM
Just got an inbound notification on both the Kennedy fuel pumps and the hand priming filter head...COOL!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:06:18 PM
OK, I listened and thought about the fuel shutoff, so I changed it!

Now a simple pull should shut off the engine.

Repositioning the fuel lever arm and modifying the solenoid bracket did the trick.

First I removed it and cleaned it of all the paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:07:49 PM
I drilled a hole in the side for the cable to pass through, then welded in a bracket to hold the cable in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:09:18 PM
Next I cut away the old solenoid mounting hole and cleaned up the appearance, then painted it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:11:37 PM
Then I connected everything using a cable end which captures the movable part of this cable assembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:12:41 PM
A simple short pull of the knob should make things quiet
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:14:18 PM
Next up was mounting the transmission cooler lines and hooking all of that up

First I gave them a new coat of paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:15:33 PM
Here the hard lines are bolted in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
I want to ensure the roof mounted cooler does not drain back into the pan, so I installed a one way check valve in the supply line. Hopefully this should keep everything fluid filled and no big voids in the cooler

I had to add a line since this valve made everything fit  wrong. I'm not sure I like this setup, so it may change to a cleaner installation, but the check valve stays
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:21:27 PM
Next, back to the wiring harness

It is now complete enough to start to close up. Here is the completed harness that goes aft to the transmission and the transfer case
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:24:02 PM
I will be adding a new supplemental harness to hook all the new accessories to. That will be finished in the same manner. The blue wires are the fuel pump leads prewired in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2015, 07:25:35 PM
Tomorrow, I'll tackle that ugly harness mess and cut out a bunch of wires from it and recover it

But for now that's it for build day 214
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on February 05, 2015, 11:33:43 AM
it's getting so close it's electric.  ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 12:08:45 PM
it's getting so close it's electric.  ::)
It's just endless problem solving right now.
I need a fitting for the transmission line, so I solve that puzzle.
I need to wire it up so I solve that puzzle
and on and on until one day I can declare that the majority of the problems are solved!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 05, 2015, 03:40:34 PM
it's getting so close it's electric.  ::)
It's just endless problem solving right now.
I need a fitting for the transmission line, so I solve that puzzle.
I need to wire it up so I solve that puzzle
and on and on until one day I can declare that the majority of the problems are solved!

Then you'll start it and drive over a mulch bed and get it dirty!  More problems- then a KIA will get stuck and some Bunny Hugger will complain about all the Sparks and not recognize the glory of it all......problems!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:27:36 PM
But at least I'm building it mo-stronger than the Jap and Kolean Kars
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:30:20 PM
Well, I worked about 6 hours on the truck today, but don't have any really cool pics, just run of the mill stuff.

It's just nug work now. Dig in and solve one problem after another, then repeat until the chow whistle blows.

So, the big goal for today was to get this wiring harness doctoring completed and get that cat in the bag. Here is the mess I have to start with on the driver's side:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:32:34 PM
Seeing all that depressed me, so I took some valium and worked on the other side. It only required removal of the old sheathing junk and reinstallation of the convoluted tubing stuff

It turned out well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:33:38 PM
I think that dog will hunt!

On to some mo-fixin'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:35:23 PM
And now onto the bad side!

I planned to just cut the whole harness apart and start over. All that anti-lock brake junk is leaving stage left!

Look at all those useless wires!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:36:29 PM
They didn't last long!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:37:50 PM
After sorting through that bird's nest, I loosely taped the various legs of the harness together to organize the wires a little better
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:39:04 PM
Then for the next hour or so, covered everything with various diameters of the tubing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:40:23 PM
Then I went after the remaining bundles on the engine and firewall
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
With that done, I ran the harness under the firewall and hooked up the transmission. While I was there I installed the transfer case shifter rod
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:45:47 PM
Then I tried to move the transfer case shifter

It wouldn't budge...YIKES!

In stead of suffering through another heart attack/anxiety attack combo, I gathered my thoughts, and started to hum Kum-Bye-Ya.

After some thoughtful moments of contemplation, I remembered those new fangled detent balls and springs which I torqued down to 700 Ft. Lbs.

Yup... So's I's (eyes) gets me handy allen socket and gets-to-loosenin' them thar critters. Then just like that, everything shifted like a democrat the day after election!

I was a happy man at peace with the universe once again!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:48:08 PM
The next project was gonna be the new throttle cable, but, hear that??? It's the chow whistle!

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2015, 06:49:04 PM
So that'll have to do it for this build day 215 in the never ending Square D oil change project
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on February 05, 2015, 07:27:53 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 05, 2015, 08:56:15 PM
Sure you're already leaning this way Don, but just in case:  I'd fire it up without the fenders etc. on- much easier to fix any potential wire issues where you can easily access those neat little wire bundles without having to hang by your ankles over the fenders.  Remember the roof rack fiasco where you cracked the concrete and forgot your zip code for an undisclosed period of time...... ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 06, 2015, 01:25:13 AM
Looking nice and I like the idea of "pull" to shut off. Wouldn't want to be bouncing around over a KIA or German bike and push the engine kill!!

Mount your pumps low and they should stay primed. Mine is high and now and then I get a little bleed off (filter head needs a rebuild) and have to prime it. Most of my fitting you see are stainless too. Bout the same as brass but looks better longer.

Ordered my tires and wheels today from a guy in TX. Told me they were 90+ on wear, all 5. You got to have a spare!!

Kum-Bye-Ya,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 08:12:08 AM
Sure you're already leaning this way Don, but just in case:  I'd fire it up without the fenders etc. on- much easier to fix any potential wire issues where you can easily access those neat little wire bundles without having to hang by your ankles over the fenders.  Remember the roof rack fiasco where you cracked the concrete and forgot your zip code for an undisclosed period of time...... ::)
I am indeed leaning that way Mikey, however a lot of stuff mounts to the fender wells. Now the big problem with that is the fender wells mostly mount to the fenders.
If I fired it up with the AC and PS pumps not connected and the wiring harness just hanging I might could get 'er done. Still have some time before all that happens though, still a lot of things to connect.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 06, 2015, 11:03:41 AM
Looking good man... I left the fenders off on our Ramcharger when I first fired it up. I just installed the inner fenders, and got everything situated and lit it up.

Norm
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 06, 2015, 02:36:23 PM
FIRE IT UP!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:06:13 PM
OK Boys and girls, we're getting ever closer.

The throttle cable is installed and the transmission cooling lines are all in now so I am definitely getting closer to firing that Cummins engine up for the first time.

Before I get into the build today, the post office guy delivered me my fuel system parts. First is the twin Kennedy lift pumps. Each makes something like 6PSI and will support 600HP. Two will obviously make twice the pressure, but as previously stated I will run one pump at a time with the other remaining a back up unit
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:08:48 PM
Next is this neat filter head with a manual bleeding pump. I will locate the pumps low in the chassis and this filter a bit higher. Hopefully air will naturally find it's way to this unit where I can manually pump it out and prime the system should I ever run it dry
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:09:37 PM
Time for a short break...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:11:27 PM
OK, all better now

What were we talking about??

Oh yes, that truck, well I got right on the throttle cable install. Starting with a 36" unit from Mr. Gasket, This is going to be another custom installation
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:13:08 PM
With the stocker out of the way, this hole will be covered by the washer/cable mount I made out of 11 gage steel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:14:13 PM
With the cable in and attached to the go fast pedal it comes up a bit short!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
To remedy that, I took a short section of 1/2" steel tubing and cut threads, 1/2 X 20 into one end where a couple nuts will fasten it to the throttle assembly on the P-Pump
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:17:42 PM
It looks like this and bolts through that stock inside cable mount hole
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:19:35 PM
I pulled the cable and applied RTV to the firewall plate and smooged it into place all permanent like
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:21:12 PM
Then with some grinding the ball stud came off the throttle arm and was replaced with this stud and cable clevis
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:22:22 PM
Then I cut the cable to length and that was that, one operational throttle cable
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:24:24 PM
Just about then the brown truck showed up (No kidding) with the fittings from Summit, so right away, I got into finishing off the transmission cooler lines
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:26:00 PM
I replaced the funky inverted flare fitting on the transmission with a simple 1/4" NPT to -8AN adapter then made up a short line to connect to the existing AN line I made a couple months ago
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Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:26:58 PM
Then all that fell in place and the front was done
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:28:12 PM
And remember that funky adapter line I made up two days ago to get the one way check valve installed?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:29:32 PM
Well, I lost good sleep time over that and in the end, well, that dog just won't hunt.

To revise it I cut off the line and moved everything up a few inches
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:30:55 PM
And this, my fine feathered friend is a much cleaner installation don't ya think?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2015, 06:32:19 PM
And that finishes up build day #216
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on February 06, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
Nice progress
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 06, 2015, 10:43:34 PM
I believe that Big D has found the rhythm again!  MMMmmmust add Diesel Fuel and other fluids soon.................... :D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 07, 2015, 09:10:21 AM
I believe that Big D has found the rhythm again!  MMMmmmust add Diesel Fuel and other fluids soon.................... :D
Yep, fluids are coming right up

Topping the transmixer is going to be a problem. If I fill it up, then when I start it up it will take a gallon or two to fill the coolers and lines. Remember this truck now has two transmixer coolers and both are amply sized for the mission.

Oil is something I am ah' wonderin' bout'

I haven't decided to just go and pour the good Amsoil stuff in from the git-go or start and run it in on rotella or perhaps a breakin oil, then add the synthetic and the bypass oil filter system.

For a survival vehicle, I think the bypass oil filter system is needed because in theory you may never have to change oil again considering the much lower useage in a no-fuel world and not as great of a need to drive anywhere...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 07, 2015, 11:44:56 AM
I was looking at that and thinking the exact same thing, nice work.

What about a 90 where it comes off the tranny in post 907. That loop looks out of place by that mount. JMHO
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 07, 2015, 03:00:04 PM
Something else to consider. The Cummins will run easily to 8K miles on a oil change using standard good quality dino oil. In a SHTF situation I am fairly sure that you could stretch that considerably if required.

I always start our well plants on high zinc break in oil, then I run them a hour or so drop the oil and filter refill and then call it good.

Your updates and project in general are great motivators to my own project.





Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 07, 2015, 05:53:58 PM
Something else to consider. The Cummins will run easily to 8K miles on a oil change using standard good quality dino oil. In a SHTF situation I am fairly sure that you could stretch that considerably if required.

I always start our well plants on high zinc break in oil, then I run them a hour or so drop the oil and filter refill and then call it good.

Your updates and project in general are great motivators to my own project.







Heck post up what you are doing, we'd all appreciate it!

On the oil, copy that. Dino based lube is always a lot better than most folks give it credit for. I flew the giant Chinook helicopter for some 6,000 hours over a couple decades. That machine used synthetic oil in normal duty conditions, but oddly when the temps were going to hit -40 at any time during the duty cycle of that particular oil cycle, be it 25 hours, 50, or 100 hours, we had to switch to regular 30 wt dino based lube! Imagine that when it got more severe like going up in the mountains of Afghanistan in the winter months, out comes the synthetic (in some parts of the aircraft) and in goes the regular oil!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 08, 2015, 11:02:23 PM
Doing some research for my swap and found this. Thought of SD.

You have to check out this thread; http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?20761-Warwagon-MKV
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2015, 07:40:41 AM
I've seen and known about that truck for years. Some pretty amazing fab work there. How about that bed???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on February 09, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
I've seen and known about that truck for years. Some pretty amazing fab work there. How about that bed???

I've seen pics of it randomly online, I want it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2015, 09:59:53 AM
I've seen and known about that truck for years. Some pretty amazing fab work there. How about that bed???

I've seen pics of it randomly online, I want it.

It actually started out as a purely cosmetic total hack job.

But in the hands of the current owner, a master fabricator it has reached it's full potential.
Way over the top, it's really a show truck with a ton of capability. THe bed, for example adds a lot of weight and looks but other than that does nothing to enhance the vehicle capabilities. I do really like how it's put together and if my truck didn't have a bed and I couldn't source one, I'd do something like that.

The crossmembers and general metal work borders on fine art in it's simplicity, execution and function. The grill is something I am actually considering myself to maybe get that condenser mounted up front. The grill guard is done right as well, and the bumper is really good, but it is definitely over done past that point from a functional standpoint.

Point I'm making is that an average Joe can accomplish most of what that truck can do with a lot less fabrication and stuff. It's cool to look at and would be fun to see it parked on a couple of Prisuses (Priue??) so I give it high marks as a show truck!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cruizng on February 09, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
And that finishes up build day #216

Looking good Don! You are running out of parts. The floor is almost cleared.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2015, 10:17:30 AM
And that finishes up build day #216

Looking good Don! You are running out of parts. The floor is almost cleared.
Yea, but just you wait...

Fenders are to be trimmed, vents cut in, snorkel installed, hood modified, then the whole bumper(s) and side rail system starts!

Plenty of floor crowding yet to come!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 09, 2015, 12:25:31 PM
Something else to consider. The Cummins will run easily to 8K miles on a oil change using standard good quality dino oil. In a SHTF situation I am fairly sure that you could stretch that considerably if required.

I always start our well plants on high zinc break in oil, then I run them a hour or so drop the oil and filter refill and then call it good.

Your updates and project in general are great motivators to my own project.







Heck post up what you are doing, we'd all appreciate it!


My wife and I are going to resurrect our old 85 W350 USAF crew cab. A bit of an expedition/SHTF type of build.

This i what it looked like back many years ago. We will be starting with a bare frame/cab and not much else as soon as it warms up enough to extract the frame from it' outside resting place.



(http://i.imgur.com/kFHtRO1.jpg)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2015, 04:07:18 PM
Something else to consider. The Cummins will run easily to 8K miles on a oil change using standard good quality dino oil. In a SHTF situation I am fairly sure that you could stretch that considerably if required.

I always start our well plants on high zinc break in oil, then I run them a hour or so drop the oil and filter refill and then call it good.

Your updates and project in general are great motivators to my own project.







Heck post up what you are doing, we'd all appreciate it!


My wife and I are going to resurrect our old 85 W350 USAF crew cab. A bit of an expedition/SHTF type of build.

This i what it looked like back many years ago. We will be starting with a bare frame/cab and not much else as soon as it warms up enough to extract the frame from it' outside resting place.



(http://i.imgur.com/kFHtRO1.jpg)
Start a build thread on that thing

We'd have two old Dodge crews going at the same time!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on February 09, 2015, 06:43:52 PM
Something else to consider. The Cummins will run easily to 8K miles on a oil change using standard good quality dino oil. In a SHTF situation I am fairly sure that you could stretch that considerably if required.

I always start our well plants on high zinc break in oil, then I run them a hour or so drop the oil and filter refill and then call it good.

Your updates and project in general are great motivators to my own project.







Heck post up what you are doing, we'd all appreciate it!


My wife and I are going to resurrect our old 85 W350 USAF crew cab. A bit of an expedition/SHTF type of build.

This i what it looked like back many years ago. We will be starting with a bare frame/cab and not much else as soon as it warms up enough to extract the frame from it' outside resting place.



(http://i.imgur.com/kFHtRO1.jpg)
Start a build thread on that thing

We'd have two old Dodge crews going at the same time!

I want to cry... She's a thing of beauty. Don's ain't bad either ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 09, 2015, 07:33:48 PM
That is a purdy old truck there. Another build would be great!!!

I would run good ol dino oil for the break in at least. Been doing some reading on how good the diesel oil is for about everything (but not vise versa) A lot to do with zinc an flat tappet cams.

As for the tranny on SD, just add the oil and crack an upper line and let it bleed awhile.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 09, 2015, 07:47:01 PM
That is a purdy old truck there. Another build would be great!!!

I would run good ol dino oil for the break in at least. Been doing some reading on how good the diesel oil is for about everything (but not vise versa) A lot to do with zinc an flat tappet cams.

As for the tranny on SD, just add the oil and crack an upper line and let it bleed awhile.
I decided to use dino for starters
Picked up 3 gallons of it today, Rotella-T 15W-40

I'll be topping things up starting tomorrow, but still have to make up some lines for the brakes/power steering and for the AC

Not worrying about bleeding the transmission lines, the pump will do that for me, just getting the levels right before I burn up something expensive

Getting closer...!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on February 09, 2015, 09:50:16 PM
norm, that's a nice lookin truck right there.  where are you located in the land of milk and cheese?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 09, 2015, 10:31:24 PM
We are actually from Nebraska these days. That pic was taken when we still lived in Wisconsin. (10 years ago or so) I think the picture was taken not far from Yellowstone Nat Park.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 10, 2015, 10:29:34 PM
Had an interesting day.

We live 3.7 miles upwind from a landfill, which is not so bad for me because I am almost always upwind.

Well this morning it just smells awful around here and so I immediately checked the wind. Yup, blowing 030 at 8 knots. I am a mag heading of 210 degrees from the landfill so it is a direct shot down wind and by the smell, they are really cooking something over there.

Oddly enough when I walk out into the garage the smell is choking me, but farther out in the driveway it almost seems to clear up...hmmm

So as the morning wears on I start investigating. As I checked out the exterior of the house, I come upon the trash cans. THe smell is really strong here and I noticed where the red dog dug a hole right beside one of the three cans I own.

Now why would she do that, dig that hole. So I pull the first trash can away...nada

Second can, same thing, nothing

As I start to pull away the third can I notice some black hair sticking out from beneath the can and a white stripe on that black fur.

A flippin skunk! The critter took up residence under my trash can and now the thing is pointing away from me with it's tail raised. He missed but the spray got all over the cans and the brick on the house right next to the garage door.

It took me best part of the morning to get that darned thing to move. First I sprayed him with brake cleaner which "pissed" him off.

Next I found some scent neutralizer, mixed it with 5 gallons of hot water and added some perfume and Mr. Clean. I snuck up on the critter and poured it all over him. He didn't like that much but the place smelled better.

Well I thought he ran off, but then the chevy was stinking to high heaven. Yep, skunk went over under C-Max and stunk that all up. So I sprayed it with cold water from the garden hose.

By this time that skunk was getting pretty clean and he took off around the corner of the house. I thought he high tailed it into the woods, so I let the red dog and the sled dog free to run it off. Well they seemed to stop pursuit operations under my John Deere tractor. There seemed to be a lot of barking under there and then the awful smell. Good news is I don't think it got on the tractor because the full measure of the spray covered both dogs.

Now the critter seems to have camped under our heat pump where the dogs are digging like a gold miner after he struck a rich vein! A quick check after a couple more hours and I'm not finding any skunk parts so I guess the little guy is still hanging in there...But the dogs are a mess.

Of course they got into my garage and ran under Square D spreading the love everywhere.

So not a lot was accomplished on the truck build tonight. I did manage to put on my paint mask and work for awhile, I'll post up those pics tomorrow. Anyone want a sled and a red dog?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 10, 2015, 11:30:40 PM
Ever hear of the movie "Waynes World"

We can call it "Dons World" and he and Red Dog can have some adventures which seem to occur on there own frequently  :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 08:14:10 AM
Good one JR!

So this morning I get up to a glorious red sunrise which is facing the bedroom windows. It is so spectacular that I walked over to those windows to watch it for awhile. I'm on the second floor and the basement has 10' + ceiling height so I'm up there a ways above the lawn below, which seems to have a frost covered towel looking thing in it outside my window. This black towel looking thing has a white stripe on it...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 11, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
LoL, it would look like the dogs got it?

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on February 11, 2015, 11:01:26 AM
don't count out the dogs just yet don, looks like they got what theys was after.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 12:37:22 PM
LoL, it would look like the dogs got it?


From the way they smell right now, I'd have to call that match a draw!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 12:37:59 PM
don't count out the dogs just yet don, looks like they got what theys was after.
Good point Nate

Say you have any decent skunk recipes? ;-))
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 11, 2015, 02:44:40 PM
A guy with build threads about firearms used everything BUT a gun to end the threat.....Brake Cleaner with a match and I'd have given you a pass for at least being creative!  >:(

Recipe for Skunk Stink to remove it:

Bottle Hydrogen Peroxide
Couple tablespoons of "DAWN" dish liquid
1/2 Cup or so Baking Soda

Mix this in a glass dish outside near hose and ONE of said, Skunky, tied up Dogs.
Take mixture and heap and scrub on dogs from top down of affected area- KEEP OUT OF DOGS EYES
Rinse off with hose, warm water if you want it to work a bit better, cold if you really hate your dogs and like cold hands.  If enough "mix" left, repeat right away.

You'll need another batch for Dog #2 and you should be good to go.  If you find the fragrant "goo" on the house, you could try it, but not certain what Peroxide will do to siding/brick.

You might have discovered that when you're right at the point of attack, the smell is SO strong that it almost stops smelling......almost!  ;D

Hopefully your dogs are up on their Rabies Vaccinations, as skunks are one of the most prevalent carriers of Rabies!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on February 11, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
lots & lots of tomato sauce. the old wives tale works. My first black lab, Sambo, (yes, I know, and it's still funny) got herself into a couple skunks in her lifetime and western family #10 cans of tomato sauce became staples in our pantry.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
A guy with build threads about firearms used everything BUT a gun to end the threat.....Brake Cleaner with a match and I'd have given you a pass for at least being creative!  >:(

Recipe for Skunk Stink to remove it:

Bottle Hydrogen Peroxide
Couple tablespoons of "DAWN" dish liquid
1/2 Cup or so Baking Soda

Mix this in a glass dish outside near hose and ONE of said, Skunky, tied up Dogs.
Take mixture and heap and scrub on dogs from top down of affected area- KEEP OUT OF DOGS EYES
Rinse off with hose, warm water if you want it to work a bit better, cold if you really hate your dogs and like cold hands.  If enough "mix" left, repeat right away.

You'll need another batch for Dog #2 and you should be good to go.  If you find the fragrant "goo" on the house, you could try it, but not certain what Peroxide will do to siding/brick.

You might have discovered that when you're right at the point of attack, the smell is SO strong that it almost stops smelling......almost!  ;D

Hopefully your dogs are up on their Rabies Vaccinations, as skunks are one of the most prevalent carriers of Rabies!
Mike,

Interesting recipe.
I'm with Tate, I always used tomato juice...just purchased 4 big jars of it.

I pour it directly onto the dog. Makes a pretty mean pic...Looks like a Bengal tiger got ahold of them for awhile.

Yea, I had my old .22 out there but couldn't bring myself to shooting the poor scared little critter. In hind sight, it would have been better for him instead of the end he met with in the jaws of one of those mutts!

Poor skunk!

Rabies vaccines: Check! All current

Too bad, really, would have been a good to have to shoot the red dog as a precautionary measure...maybe I still will...Just to be sure!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:08:57 PM
Enough skunk talk, let's get back to building a truck

Today is all about the fuel system

First order of business was to fashion up a simple mount for the dual pump assembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:10:54 PM
Then find a place to mount it. Right here beside the previously created filter bracket works just fine
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:12:38 PM
I removed the 3/8" hard line since I'm upgrading to 1/2" fuel line. The sump gets a barbed nipple of the half inch variety
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
While all that was going on I stuck a couple funnels in the radiator and engine and began filling the vital fluids.

I used the ancient green stuff and 12 quarts of Shell Rotella-T 15W-40
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:16:19 PM
I painted the pump mount and this manual priming filter head which I am thinking of using somewhere
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:18:07 PM
I yanked off these lines which I had installed some months ago
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:19:45 PM
The pump assembly has a "T" on the inlet to allow for the future addition of a second fuel tank. For now it will bet a plug so I can get the truck running off the stock tank
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
All of that got assembled
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:23:08 PM
I replaced the 3/8" line at the filter with a 1/2" NPT Barb and even added a 1/4" barb on the other side (a second inlet) for the return fuel from the fuel injector harness
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 11, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Don't stop there!!! Fluids are good to run the beast.........................

On my way to get my P motor,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:25:52 PM
We'll be using 1/2" fuel hose sourced from Summit, $29 for 25 feet, and simple hose clamps
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:26:29 PM
Don't stop there!!! Fluids are good to run the beast.........................

On my way to get my P motor,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Patience my friend, patience!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:28:36 PM
Here the pump just got mounted and the supply and discharge hoses hooked up and routed. I added convoluted tubing over the hose anywhere it was near something it WOULD rub on!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:32:41 PM
Next up, is the return line from the fuel injectors line. Parker hose had a cool hose made for diesel fuel that could handle the higher temps of heated fuel without losing strength. I plumbed the return line back to the filter so that warm fuel would warm that unit for the really cold days. I am running the overflow from the P-Pump back to the tank so that warmed fuel will warm up the main fuel tank, again for the really cold days
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
Then I lengthened the wiring harness from the pumps and made up a new harness and ran it toward the drivers fender well where I plan to mount the solenoids to operate this stuff
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:37:25 PM
And now was time to clean up the loose wiring. The harnesses are now laid in so that ll I need to do is to hook up the switches in the cab somewhere
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 07:39:47 PM
And with that, I could hear the chow bell, time to call this one done for the day, #216 in the ever evolving SquareD build project
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: ce_tx on February 11, 2015, 08:10:30 PM
This has to be one of the best documented builds I've ever read on the net!!

AWESOME work Don!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 11, 2015, 08:25:33 PM
This has to be one of the best documented builds I've ever read on the net!!

AWESOME work Don!
Thanks

We even documented the "Skunk-work-delay"  LOL
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 11, 2015, 09:55:15 PM
Great progress Don!  Skunk stuff works really much better than your virgin bloody mary mix- why:  Dawn cut oils in spray, Baking Soda neutralizes stink and Hydrogen Peroxide floats and oxidizes stink further and more easily rinses it all away.

Hope you never need it!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on February 12, 2015, 12:35:34 AM
And with that, I could hear the chow bell, time to call this one done for the day, #216 in the ever evolving SquareD build project

*sigh... it would be so much better without those empty spaces in the wheel hubs starting back at me.  I feel like tomorrow should be a problem solving morning.  Fuel system is top notch.  Good call on the "buck a foot" hose.  Did that on my Wagoneer too.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on February 12, 2015, 02:00:48 AM
I like the progress. All the wires dangling made my eyes glaze over but hey, that's why you're doing it not me!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 12, 2015, 06:02:08 AM
Great progress and I have a story to tell in Ciemr and my build.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 12, 2015, 07:32:17 AM
Don I searched an failed possibly, but what is the deal with the hubs?  Maybe I can help.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 08:18:25 AM
Don I searched an failed possibly, but what is the deal with the hubs?  Maybe I can help.
Norm,
Things aren't fitting just right
Tate is on it like white on rice
He'd have to state the exact details, but apparently Dodge had some minor differences in a couple of years, and JR and I might have just fallen into that spider-hole.
Anyway, you can see where Tate is trying to get this ciphered out in a post or two north of this one. We'll get it or I'll just weld the whole thing up solid!
Well maybe not...  ;-))
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on February 12, 2015, 09:17:17 AM
...apparently Dodge had some minor differences in a couple of years, and JR and I might have just fallen into that spider-hole.
Anyway, you can see where Tate is trying to get this ciphered out in a post or two north of this one...

I'll be watching this one, my D60 axle will likely have the same issue.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 12, 2015, 09:33:58 AM
Oh your meaning the wheel hubs with no outer snap ring groove? That's a common known issue with early internal hub axles. You can have it machined in if you feel it's required.

Usually those hubs were used on 89-90 trucks. Most often on Dana 61's in my experience. But as with anything Dana, some exceptions do apply LoL

I have about 10 Dana 60 fronts laying around, I should probably check and see if I have any sans outer snap rings.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 09:42:28 AM
Oh your meaning the wheel hubs with no outer snap ring groove? That's a common known issue with early internal hub axles. You can have it machined in if you feel it's required.

Usually those hubs were used on 89-90 trucks. Most often on Dana 61's in my experience. But as with anything Dana, some exceptions do apply LoL

I have about 10 Dana 60 fronts laying around, I should probably check and see if I have any sans outer snap rings.
I think mine have the outer snap ring. But for some reason the manual hub mechanicals won't seat in the bore far enough to use that ring...I mean the stuff is sticking out of the hub!
Maybe I put something together wrong...Heck I thought I already discovered every conceivable way of bolting it back together backwards!
On this one I just installed new bearings and seals, so I'm wondering if they are somehow not allowing things to "Seat", but really, I am just guessing as to what may be Obuma'd up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 12, 2015, 09:59:09 AM
hmmmmmmm.... Can you snap a picture of the assembly? How it fits, or doesn't in this case, and then a picture of the spindle/caliper bracket sans hub?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 10:24:56 AM
hmmmmmmm.... Can you snap a picture of the assembly? How it fits, or doesn't in this case, and then a picture of the spindle/caliper bracket sans hub?

Man, I'm not taking all that apart again if I don't have to!

Thanks for offering

Let's let Tate's man weigh in first and see if he knows something that is particular to those new hubs.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 12, 2015, 11:36:20 AM
Don, if yours are sticking out you may have gotten ford hubs. That is what I am finding out.

The dodge and chevy hubs will crossover but the ford hub is shorter. All the other internals are the same with bearings and such.

Tate, am I on the right road here?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on February 12, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
oh good lord, don't tell him he got the wrong parts...............?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 12, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
Take a look here at the spindle length overall. Dodge and Chevy use the same spindle regardless if external or internal.

As you can see the Ford spindle is much shorter, but the same bearing bearing spacing.
(http://i.imgur.com/8Lge6El.jpg)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on February 12, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
you're on the right track. in fact, 12.0" gm dodge stubs, 11.4" for stubs. but Don's hubs were in functional/in use prior to disassembly, stubs changed, but only in spline count. original axle measured up the same so I'm doubting the ford hub scenario. I'm leaning more towards the fact that these come with two possible spacer scenarios, one for dodge/gm and one for ford. originally he had these installed in the HP d60 destined for Cmax, a ford application. if he "lost" the other spacer that could create this scenario, but the main gear could also be mismachined. I'm hoping for a simple solution that involves me shipping a few extra parts and Don happily installing them. Stay tuned...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
you're on the right track. in fact, 12.0" gm dodge stubs, 11.4" for stubs. but Don's hubs were in functional/in use prior to disassembly, stubs changed, but only in spline count. original axle measured up the same so I'm doubting the ford hub scenario. I'm leaning more towards the fact that these come with two possible spacer scenarios, one for dodge/gm and one for ford. originally he had these installed in the HP d60 destined for Cmax, a ford application. if he "lost" the other spacer that could create this scenario, but the main gear could also be mismachined. I'm hoping for a simple solution that involves me shipping a few extra parts and Don happily installing them. Stay tuned...
It's weird, but I removed that small spacer altogether and the assembly still sticks out.
I'll get some pics of it in the shop today and dump them on the thread tonight
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on February 12, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
you're on the right track. in fact, 12.0" gm dodge stubs, 11.4" for stubs. but Don's hubs were in functional/in use prior to disassembly, stubs changed, but only in spline count. original axle measured up the same so I'm doubting the ford hub scenario. I'm leaning more towards the fact that these come with two possible spacer scenarios, one for dodge/gm and one for ford. originally he had these installed in the HP d60 destined for Cmax, a ford application. if he "lost" the other spacer that could create this scenario, but the main gear could also be mismachined. I'm hoping for a simple solution that involves me shipping a few extra parts and Don happily installing them. Stay tuned...
It's weird, but I removed that small spacer altogether and the assembly still sticks out.
I'll get some pics of it in the shop today and dump them on the thread tonight

My guy called and left you a VM this morning. can you confirm?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 04:09:59 PM


My guy called and left you a VM this morning. can you confirm?
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Tate, he did call, and I returned the call...playing phone tag at the moment

Let's do it tomorrow, I'm a tad bit under the weather at the moment

Thanks
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 05:42:49 PM
Managed to get a little done today. It is very cold here and I was not feeling my best...I know what's the biggest difference between a turbine engine and a pilot? The turbine stops whining after flying!

I went over to Parker hydraulics today to pick up some more hose to finish plumbing the fuel system and score some vent lines for the diffs and gearboxes.

They also hooked me up with the right fittings and we talked about making up hoses for the power steering and hydraulic brake system which in my application will become one unit.

Here's the various hose I picked up. The blue stuff can handle over 300F while the gray stuff is good to 212 degrees
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 05:44:07 PM
Here's the fitting which is a simple barb hookup. All one does is to slip the hose over the male end and voila' just like that you have a connection Hercules cant take apart!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 05:45:23 PM
And BAM, just like that I had the system connected up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 05:46:40 PM
It lays in there pretty well with almost a straight shot back to the filter/pump
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 05:48:25 PM
The last connection on the fuel line supply system is the overflow from the Bosch P-7100 injection pump.A simple length of the 3/8 size of the same type hose completed the system
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 05:50:32 PM
Now, I still hadn't hooked up the filler neck to the fuel tank, so time to get on that

I reincorporated the back flow preventer/anti slosh valve, so I cut that sucker down to size and fitted it right back in the new neck assembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 12, 2015, 05:54:03 PM
With that done I fitted the vent hose then realized I need a 1.5" 90 degree rubber elbow to go any further. I'll have to pick one up from an auto parts store. I'll likely just find a radiator hose and cut it to size and make all that fit, but not today.

About now my stomach started saying "You really need to stop this working on your back stuff or I'm going to reintroduce you to your morning quoffee...

So I stopped for the day then quickly got pulled into one of the little Ranger's homework project...Sa' la-vie'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:01:28 PM
Today we went over to Parker Hose in Florence Kentucky to have the power steering and hydraulic brake hoses built up.
The store manager Anson is quite knowledgeable and studious. Here he is ciphering out the battle plan. I have found it is best to give him the overview, then get out of the way. He is a master at this!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:03:52 PM
Here Anson is cutting the line then shoving the pre-lubed line into the 37 degree -6 fitting prior to swedging the collar with ten million pounds of force
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:06:23 PM
That oversized collar has retention ridges on the inside of that collar. The almost completed hose assembly is then placed into this hydraulic squeezer thing which would make quick work of any body part that got stuck in there by mistake
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:08:26 PM
Being a pro at anything lies in the craftsmanship and the details. Anson has all that covered. Here after shrinking the sleeve around the high temp, 4000 psi Parker hose, he checks the size of the crimp with a micrometer...YES A MICROMETER!

Good workmanship here!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:10:21 PM
So without being bashful about it, let me put a plug in for this very competent young man, Anson, the manager of the store in Florence Kentucky, a very well stocked and capable shop!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:12:43 PM
I started with assembly of the compression fitting onto what I cut off the factory pressure line. THis compression will transition to -6 hose through a flare adapter
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:14:02 PM
That got attached to a straight/90 degree 31" hose Anson built earlier, then attached to the brake booster
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:15:34 PM
Then the pressure out line was routed from the brake booster to the power steering gearbox
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:17:57 PM
I temporarily installed the inner fender, then clamped on the low pressure return line from the brake module
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:23:51 PM
Then this line went to the return from the power steering gearbox
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:25:43 PM
Both return lines will be routed to this filter head, then a single line will return to the pump
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 13, 2015, 07:26:31 PM
And that, boyz and girlies is the end of build day 219!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 14, 2015, 01:08:57 AM
These just answered a few of my questions in seeing the lines hooked up in earlier posts. Plus the last couple showed you have the same PS pump I have and running a "T" for the Brake/PS boost as I have reading up on it a little.

Luckily I do live in an area where farm equipment is used a plenty and many shop will build those hoses. Hopefully I will find a tech as good as yours!!

Great work as normal and looking good!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2015, 07:48:06 AM
Yup, just plumb in a filter and you have your "T" connection solved and get the bonus of having that fluid filtered while adding some additional capacity (Cooling)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on February 14, 2015, 07:52:54 AM
Good find on the hydraulic line fabricating shop.  I'll be using them as well.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on February 14, 2015, 08:46:13 AM
excellent work, and the lines are looking really clean.

I got post 1000
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 14, 2015, 09:45:01 AM
excellent work, and the lines are looking really clean.

I got post 1000
We have a winner!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 19, 2015, 10:34:56 AM
Sorry for the lack of posts in the past few days.

I went to a conference for a few days and now it is something like -15F outside and the garage heater is not quite able to get that to the upper 40's where if enjoy the slight chill as a motivator to get work done.

I guess I'll go do something else today to contribute to the site...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on February 20, 2015, 11:17:30 AM
A lot of great progress.  Keep it up when you thaw out a bit!   ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2015, 12:38:08 PM
A lot of great progress.  Keep it up when you thaw out a bit!   ;D
Wilco!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on February 20, 2015, 02:51:35 PM
A lot of great progress.  Keep it up when you thaw out a bit!   ;D
Wilco!

It's negatives here, WITHOUT the windchill factored in! Dig deep and drive on..
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 20, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
It was 72 here today,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Changing the tranny in the elky.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 20, 2015, 10:20:32 PM
It was 71 here today ...........in my HOUSE!  78 degrees colder outside!  :(
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 20, 2015, 10:23:20 PM
It was 71 here today ...........in my HOUSE!  78 degrees colder outside!  :(

Sounds like global warming  8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on February 20, 2015, 11:27:32 PM
Well Mike, I've got you beat today. -27 with wind chill in at -49. Just back from a northern lights photo shoot.
Having a hard time with the global warming theory. I'd say the folks in Florida would also agree with the past few days they've seen as well.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on February 20, 2015, 11:29:04 PM
Just thought of something.
Wasn't it Ash's thread we junked up with weather reports on DF? ???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 21, 2015, 06:17:58 AM
I think so; eventually, we were all Ash-shamed of ourselves and stopped....... ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 21, 2015, 09:32:14 AM
I see there's no shortage of DOT activity on my build thread. Some things just go on and on and on.

Junkin', screwin' up the place
 
  Don's thread turns to, such a disgrace!

Weather here, chit chat there

  Oh what the heck, I just don't care!

The man he writes and builds this truck

  And do we help? Oh no-such luck

Although it's others he tries to teach

  And by the scriptures sometimes, preach

We gotta talk, we gotta chat

 About mindless things, just this and that

Along we march, no goal in sight

  Worried not so much, about our plight

For we have no purpose, we have no plan

  Just throw Don's work in the trash can!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 21, 2015, 09:34:39 AM
I think so; eventually, we were all Ash-shamed of ourselves and stopped....... ;)
Appearances would seem to controvert that statement
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 21, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
I see there's no shortage of DOT activity on my build thread. Some things just go on and on and on.

Well, golly gee Don. If you would post something on the build we could DOT it properly  ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 21, 2015, 02:10:57 PM
I see there's no shortage of DOT activity on my build thread. Some things just go on and on and on.

Well, golly gee Don. If you would post something on the build we could DOT it properly  ::)
What, didn't like my poetry?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 21, 2015, 02:23:36 PM
Ya, I'm at one of those points where the TAH (Task at hand) exceeds both my WTW (Will to work) and the LOMBP (Limit of my brain power)
AC Stuff

Yep, I don't do no AC stuff.

All I ever did is once drill through the condenser core in my Corvette causing me to have to take that thing all apart and replace it.

AC fixin' is right up there with GPI (Gear putting in) in my skill-set.

So I'm looking at this thing and I'm thinking, "Don, you know anything about this?" And I continue, "No, pretty much jest takin' out an puttin' bak en." "Hmmm, I's continues to think and ponder on...I don't even know where I can mount that condenser, I sez to meself." "So's knot knowin' whichin sizes all them fittin's is or how they screw or glue together (Soins they makes up one big long part) I jest keep on ponderin."

And that's where I parked this bus for the moment...pulled off the highway to getting it done and parked in the "Ponderin park" where I seem to be sittin' for a spell whilst I cipher all this tecknology out.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: wilsonphil on February 23, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
Great build, doing something very similar to my 1990 Ramcharger.  Since it was pouring rain Sunday I spent the day reading thru your build.  I don't know if you are still looking for them but Quad4x4 sells the rotor dust shields for the Dodge D60, they are very pricey so don't be too shocked!!  Keep up the great work.
 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on February 23, 2015, 05:29:32 PM
I see there's no shortage of DOT activity on my build thread. Some things just go on and on and on.

Junkin', screwin' up the place
 
  Don's thread turns to, such a disgrace!

Weather here, chit chat there

  Oh what the heck, I just don't care!

The man he writes and builds this truck

  And do we help? Oh no-such luck

Although it's others he tries to teach

  And by the scriptures sometimes, preach

We gotta talk, we gotta chat

 About mindless things, just this and that

Along we march, no goal in sight

  Worried not so much, about our plight

For we have no purpose, we have no plan

  Just throw Don's work in the trash can!

Got a little Run "Don" MC there. nice work
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Great build, doing something very similar to my 1990 Ramcharger.  Since it was pouring rain Sunday I spent the day reading thru your build.  I don't know if you are still looking for them but Quad4x4 sells the rotor dust shields for the Dodge D60, they are very pricey so don't be too shocked!!  Keep up the great work.
 

Thanks!

Yea, I'll check that out...my dust shields are in poor shape where they bolt into the brake adapter. Lots of rust I had to remove...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:13:26 PM
Well, spent the entire morning running down parts. Had to get a new bottle of welding gas, pick up some wire brushes, a battery, try to find a filter for that weird manual priming filter head and a few other things. I was about 50% for the day.

So getting back into this mess, I picked up the new Interstate battery, this one a full up starting one, whereas the other one is a deep cycle. I ordered a battery isolation kit from Summit so I can control all that from the cab

Wanting to mount Mr. Interstate ricky-tick, I had to brace up that factory battery box. I never was impressed with how the factory had it in there. That battery is a lot of weight. If you get to slamming the truck about I believe with the factory setup it might start to bend things
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:14:13 PM
I made up this simple brace from 1" square tubing and some angle
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
Which fits like this
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:16:25 PM
After sanding and cleaning it got a coat of acid etching primer, then some rubberized undercoating
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
While that was setting up, I wrapped that transmission dipstick in something I could see. Can't say I'm all that thrilled about how that fits in there...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:19:32 PM
Then I got on the wheel well pans. They are going to get painted and coated and that is coming right up so "Let the sanding begin!"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:21:25 PM
The brace dried enough by this point to mount it, so I screwed in into place with several 5/16" bolts. I used this stainless sheet metal screw on the top so as not to interfere with the bottom of el' batterie'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:22:23 PM
And that all went right together like it was supposed to!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:23:56 PM
Cummins Performance Parts supplied a new factory throttle spring which is a double and a new injection pump linkage
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 06:26:27 PM
It made for a much tighter linkage removing all the slop the ancient linkage had accumulated

Installing that pretty much ran the clock out...have to go be a house mom for awhile, but I'll be back at it in the morrow!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 08:34:01 PM
Great build, doing something very similar to my 1990 Ramcharger.  Since it was pouring rain Sunday I spent the day reading thru your build.  I don't know if you are still looking for them but Quad4x4 sells the rotor dust shields for the Dodge D60, they are very pricey so don't be too shocked!!  Keep up the great work.
 

I just looked up those dust shields...

You were right...Pricey

$200 each side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I checked and they are formed from solid gold!  Helps with corrosion! Works well behind 22" dubs
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on February 23, 2015, 08:55:46 PM
200 for a dust shield? what the heck?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: wilsonphil on February 23, 2015, 08:59:10 PM
I tried to warn you!  That company is very high price wise on almost everything but they have GOOD USA made parts and they have almost every part for a Dodge Dana!  Even the Ford units are close to that price at other places on the web.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on February 23, 2015, 11:09:08 PM
Just take them off and toss them in the scrap pile. *dust shields* I have close to a million miles I'd wager on assorted Dana 60 fronts. Most of those miles on rock/dirt roads. The lack of dust shields has never been a issue, and actually helps with preventing mud build up behind them in off road sloppy situations.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 24, 2015, 06:12:07 AM
Don, not knowing if you found your fuel filter, here is what I did.

Fleetfilter will let you search for a filter by thread and application. Then you pick the quality and order as you may.

Norm, I got a set of hubs for $200 with free shipping,,,,,,,,,,,,now I need  ppump fuel lines.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 24, 2015, 08:04:39 AM
Dust shields: If they were like $40 ea, I'd put on a new set, but like Norm, I have run over a lot of terra firma with no dust shields at all. Only down side I noted was decreased braking when it was raining. Perhaps the shields "Shielded" some of the rain spray.

I flew lots of jets in my time. They do not have dust shields and those brakes get so hot that we actually have a brake temp monitoring system. On the jet I was flying, after doing a landing, the soaring temps reached maximum maybe 10 minutes after landing and we could not taxi or takeoff again for perhaps 20 minutes waiting for them to cool.

Enough of the brake class for muddin guyz...

On the filter head, here's the issue. I purchased a fuel filter head, industrial truck variety. Fuel filters cannot be used to filter hydraulic oil. Hydraulic filters use a different thread, so they are not used on fuel filters by mistake...see where I'm going with this?

Problem will be solved today when the brown truck stops by, is invaded by the sled and red dog, then after the guy inside gets coated with skunk, he will come out and hand me a box from summit with a new oil filter mount which I will incorporate into the system...problem all solved. I'll be happy, so will the sled and red dog and the UPS guy will finally have to launder those coveralls!

It's all good!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on February 24, 2015, 04:21:00 PM
Sounds like a plan...  May have a different brown truck driver on the next delivery... 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 24, 2015, 05:29:03 PM
Sounds like a plan...  May have a different brown truck driver on the next delivery... 
Yep, especially if he is a city boy...Those boys don't do skunks or any critters really!

OK, for tonight's update, I got some pieces parts in on the brown truck as predicted. I also got the wheel wells sprayed with Raptor Urethane bed liner, both sides, so those things are out in the garage at the moment poisoning the air and causing the cat to get all loopy, but, hey. as long as it doesn't camp on those purdy things and give them a coating of cat hair!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:02:42 AM
I got the "Painless" battery isolation (or not) switch in from Summit and mounted the positive battery post since I might not be reusing the factory battery cable
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:04:33 AM
Back to the wheel wells, I sanded, well used a rotary wire brush on them to roughen them up, then washed them several times with solvent
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:05:47 AM
We're going to be using the Raptor bed liner again since these wells are potentially a high corrosion potential part
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
That stuff is a two part urethane and what I believe is about the best product that you can spray yourself. I got sick from the fumes, even wearing a good mask, so I advise caution spraying this stuff in closed in spaces during winter months.

But the finish is remarkable...Just what I hoped for!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on February 28, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
With the extra switches you've added, plan on adding are you adding something like you did on the TacGator? An alternate fuse block/whatever you wanna call it. Something to keep your stock normal fuse box from looking like a tangled mass of wiring. I can't think at the moment, coffee hasn't kicked in.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:14:20 AM
Better than new...Really!

I let them dry for 2 days, going on to other projects.

Everything sort of comes together at this point of the build. Wiring requires switches, and body parts for mounts, and electrical power. Adding body panels means you need to get all the inside stuff buttoned up because access is about to get a lot more difficult. And so it goes.

Wire bone is connected to the fender bone. Fender bone is connected to the power steering bone, and on and on...I am in the "Bones" stage now, more than ever.

So, back to the power steering/brakes system. Last we visited that thing I was running some lines. Well the "System" is more than just a couple more connections. I want to run a filter and a cooler since at low speeds, steering big tires is a high demand (And heat producing) operation.

The super duper fuel filter I retasked as a hydraulic filter was a fail. There is no hydraulic filter that fits the threads nor base, so that purdy filter head is unusable!

So a quick check at Summit and I got this unit out of the brown truck
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:16:35 AM
With the extra switches you've added, plan on adding are you adding something like you did on the TacGator? An alternate fuse block/whatever you wanna call it. Something to keep your stock normal fuse box from looking like a tangled mass of wiring. I can't think at the moment, coffee hasn't kicked in.
Get your quoffee man...what are you thinkin'!!!

Morning Bobby...

Yep, I am going to make it all neat and easily accessible in the overhead shelf I installed last year. I plan to have the CB radio, switches galore, and maybe the GPS up there. That is coming right up...I almost got into that yesterday.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
This is what I was working with:

Red dog scored my wire brush...ERRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
This is the factory transmission oil cooler.

It is a stacked plate high quality unit, so I'll retask it as the new power steering oil cooler
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
First thing I need to do is to add proper JICS fittings to the thing by starting with a 1/2" compression fitting to a #8 flare. Then screw a #8 female to #6 barb over that to complete the assembly. By doing this all I need to do is slide on the hose and the thing is finished...just like that!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:27:01 AM
I found a nifty place to mount that cooler, tucked up inside of the left fender, inside the battery tray. It will be out of sight, but I might have to create a hole in the fender for ventilation...???

The wheel wells were dry and had hardened, so in keeping with the CMFSI (Clear more floor space initiative) I mounted those suckers up so I could throw things at the red dog if it came after a tasty screwdriver or pair of pliers!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:28:07 AM
I used some prudy gold washed bolts to hang it...goes perfectly with ma' dubs, eh?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:29:01 AM
Then the udder side...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
And just-Like-That

I was all done

The truck is complete and finished...Thanks for watching
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on February 28, 2015, 10:37:38 AM
Wow, it is a truck...... I thought you were kidding these last 6 years. :pokedon










....a good looking truck at that.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 28, 2015, 12:17:54 PM
Ooooohhhh, progress !  If that Raptor Liner is anything like what they sprayed in my P/U bed, I feel sorry for you being enclosed in the garage with it.  Mine made me light headed standing in the bed, outside in the summer 2 days after they'd sprayed it!

From the looks of your battery shut-off, you're gunning for skunks now? :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on February 28, 2015, 01:36:30 PM
Great progress. Think I will use that raptorliner on my 1101 that followed me home.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on February 28, 2015, 04:33:33 PM
Lookin good there chief.
I don't know if I missed or have just forgot, did you ever get the air leaks in the tires fixed?
Now that it's gittin close to rolling time it will be important.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 05:15:50 PM
Lookin good there chief.
I don't know if I missed or have just forgot, did you ever get the air leaks in the tires fixed?
Now that it's gittin close to rolling time it will be important.

Weirdest thing...they just stopped leaking!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 05:16:15 PM
Great progress. Think I will use that raptorliner on my 1101 that followed me home.
You bought one...Cool!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on February 28, 2015, 05:33:51 PM
Lookin good there chief.
I don't know if I missed or have just forgot, did you ever get the air leaks in the tires fixed?
Now that it's gittin close to rolling time it will be important.

Weirdest thing...they just stopped leaking!

Well. That beats the heck out of that wrestling match.
Maybe they finally liked the weight on them. Pokedon!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 01, 2015, 01:39:42 AM
Great progress. Think I will use that raptorliner on my 1101 that followed me home.
You bought one...Cool!

Got a killer deal, will post in my build.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2015, 07:09:06 AM
Lookin good there chief.
I don't know if I missed or have just forgot, did you ever get the air leaks in the tires fixed?
Now that it's gittin close to rolling time it will be important.

Weirdest thing...they just stopped leaking!

Well. That beats the heck out of that wrestling match.
Maybe they finally liked the weight on them. Pokedon!
I can't explain it. I can only observe the fact that that tire is not leaking or at least it doesn't seem to. And the weather turned colder then it stopped, and it was inflated for months and so forth, but beyond that, I don't know why it's working fine now??!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 01, 2015, 07:45:18 AM
Possibly corrosion sealed a tiny leak between rim parts?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2015, 08:43:39 AM
Possibly corrosion sealed a tiny leak between rim parts?
There is no corrosion going on there. painted/sealed, RTV coated, then grease, then prayed over by Duane's Buddest monks...nope, no kurosion there!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: BobbyB on March 01, 2015, 10:16:22 AM
The truck is complete and finished...Thanks for watching

But does it START and MOVE??
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2015, 02:24:43 PM
The truck is complete and finished...Thanks for watching

But does it START and MOVE??
Not yet
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on March 02, 2015, 04:15:35 PM
Definitely getting closer!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:06:28 PM
Ash, you bet!

Hit the starter today and the engine turned over...first time...just testing circuits.

So today was spent on getting electrical power and getting more wiring in.

Starting with this huge solenoid which will switch batteries or link them together depending on what I decide
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:07:22 PM
I carried up and test fit one of the fenders as well. since getting that side sorted is also coming right up
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:09:43 PM
Poor pic quality tonight. I wasn't paying attention and didn't have the thing in auto, so they all appear darker than they should

The solenoid takes both batteries, and I wanted to reuse the factory starter cable. I don't know what size it is...0 or 00!

I cut the terminal end off of it and soldered it to the new cable and end
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:11:05 PM
Here's the old and new cables attached to the primary side of the solenoid
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:11:56 PM
And the battery in the rear of the vehicle, now attached to something!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:13:17 PM
Here is the toggle that switches between batteries

It will get mounted in the overhead shelf
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:15:53 PM
All that mess inside will get tidied up in time, but for now, the name of the game is just get the stuff in there!

Here is where the power steering cooler gets tucked in. There is no where else I am comfortable with at the moment. The location will complicate things, as I will have to open up the fender to gain access and provide cooling air
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:17:04 PM
Here is the filter unit I selected to keep the steering and braking system healthy
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
And it gets mounted in the same void and accessed through the fender once I build in all that

One inlet from the power steering and one from the hydraulic brakes
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:20:58 PM
A quick check showed some things coming back to life...but most of the dash lights are now out!

Weird, I replaced all those pesky little bulbs way back when
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:21:50 PM
Well, that's another (half) day's work, number 222 in this never ending project!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 02, 2015, 07:33:38 PM
I carried up and test fit one of the fenders as well. since getting that side sorted is also coming right up

What happened to Franken-Fender?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
It was destroyed, don't you remember?

This one will get the snorkel base reattached. That is coming right up as well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 02, 2015, 07:37:55 PM
Looking at your steering cooler placement, a fender scoop could direct air across it, or a flexible hose similar to brake cooling ducts might solve your need for a hole?

Looking closer to completion with every post!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2015, 10:30:40 PM
Looking at your steering cooler placement, a fender scoop could direct air across it, or a flexible hose similar to brake cooling ducts might solve your need for a hole?

Looking closer to completion with every post!

Well, I'll still need access to repair leaks, change the filter, clean the cooler, and do periodic inspections.

I could open a hole in the wheel well as well...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 03, 2015, 12:53:00 AM
Looking good BD as is the norm.

Jeusssssssss, just add a little fuel to hear it pop at least.

I was thinking ducting all the time too. Something right from the grill or off the side of the shroud? That way you get air fast or slow like the radiator.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
Talking to Duane this morning about the need for a hole in the fender. I was looking for a source for this strong stainless wire mesh that was riveted to panels on our aircraft to allow for cooling air, when he suggested louvres.

As in hot rod louvers found on old hot rods, and on that old dodge truck build known affectionately as the "War Wagon."

Nuff said. He searched the internet while chatting and sent me a link...the rest is history

Here's what I just ordered...The big set will go on the hood. Either the angled or straight ones will go over the hole that will be made in the fender. The other set might find it's place directly above the turbocharger, and perhaps in the side of some fender.

They come predrilled and include button head stainless hardware and are formed from .050" thick aluminum.

The goal is to get all that hot air our and away from the thing that makes it...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 03, 2015, 11:46:50 AM
Those will both look and function great!  Should draw air nicely while moving with air flow hitting 90*
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:36:15 PM
Those will both look and function great!  Should draw air nicely while moving with air flow hitting 90*
I think so Mike.

One thing is that buying those ready made panels keeps the fab time to a minimum. When they get here, All I'll really have to do is to cut the openings, install the nut-serts, paint them up and install them

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 03, 2015, 06:42:23 PM
I have seen those used on a few builds, good idea.

You know with the hood off you could just have added to your hood. But then again with everything else bolted on and hanging out on SD whats a few more on the hood.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:47:11 PM
Got a few more hours in on the project today.

First I had to address the misalignment of the fender and the door

Look how much space I have and how it widens out at the bottom more than the top:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:51:18 PM
The problem is that the radiator core support is too high. Without knowing the height it needed to be, I guessed, installing a tall poly bushing. That has to change and the core support needs to be moved into a proper position to fit the fenders.

This new Chinaman's fender is about 80% what an American fender is. Look at the top lip, how far it is off. Also I'll need to shim the thing so the trim lines align mo-better-er
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:52:37 PM
Here is the culprit

And this is what I did to make it all better
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:53:48 PM
After the bushing height change

Closer, but not quite there yet
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:55:33 PM
Remember this?

I believe Duane named it "Franken Snorkel"

Well, it's about to get resurrected
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:58:22 PM
I had inadvertently welded it to the original fender. I finish welded it while it was attached and my hot welds burned through make it a permanent addition to the fender, and hopelessly warping the fender from all the heat.

I cut it off, so now I had to grind all those welds away to get rid of the extra layer of steel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
Then I did some additional grinding and trimming to get it just the way I wanted
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:03:26 PM
Even though the fender is only coated with primer, I Protected it against scratches prior to the upcoming surgery
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:05:15 PM
After pushing the tube into the connector hose, I drilled the holes, one at a time, using Cleco's as I went to hold it all true
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:08:28 PM
To accurately transfer the air-through-hole, I used this template
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:09:47 PM
Then using hole saws at the corners, I cut out the opening
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:11:27 PM
Then I removed the old coating I had applied to the snorkel and gave everything a good wet coat of acid etching primer
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:14:15 PM
Today I got a visit from both the FedEx guy and the brown truck. Both of them come in and take a look around the truck to check progress each time they visit

I got this high performance intake elbow in.

I decided to replace the stocker because I became aware of a big restriction inside of it, and I needed a couple spots to plumb in my H2O/Methanol jet(s)
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:16:36 PM
Looking into the stocker, you can see the humps where there is extra material added for the bolts. This pinches off flow and from what I am reading raises EGT and that is a concern
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:18:06 PM
Here is the factory grid heater which I will be wiring up and using to start on cold mornings
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:19:47 PM
Here is where the spray jets will install:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:21:36 PM
This thing will get refinished, this is only the base primer coat, but good enough for the moment to do a fit-up
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2015, 07:22:52 PM
And that boys and girls is the end of build day 223.

Franken Snorkel lives once again!
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Post by: JR on March 04, 2015, 02:00:48 AM
Lots of work don there BD. With the addition of the new bumper, the current snorkel and the roof rack. Seeing the thing coming at you or in your rear view will just be intimidating as H*&L.

Hmm, like the idea of the new intake elbow. Someone may have suggested it before,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Just looked at my hood and I have a dent where louvers would cover it right up. 
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Post by: cudakidd53 on March 04, 2015, 07:04:09 AM
You going with ol' sparky to mount up Frankensnorkle or nuts and bolts?  Nuts and bolts would really play nicely into the Frankensnorkle theme! ::)
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 04, 2015, 09:29:45 PM
Lots of work don there BD. With the addition of the new bumper, the current snorkel and the roof rack. Seeing the thing coming at you or in your rear view will just be intimidating as H*&L.

Hmm, like the idea of the new intake elbow. Someone may have suggested it before,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Just looked at my hood and I have a dent where louvers would cover it right up. 

Those things work well on dents!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 04, 2015, 09:31:50 PM
You going with ol' sparky to mount up Frankensnorkle or nuts and bolts?  Nuts and bolts would really play nicely into the Frankensnorkle theme! ::)
Yup, nutz and boltz

I'll try to keep the hardware same as I have been using on fuel plate and other places...button cap stainless, errr, maybe #10's and use Nutserts so the thing will screw on and off real purdy-like!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 12:05:59 PM
Got the frankensnorkel mounting hardware ordered:
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Post by: JR on March 05, 2015, 01:06:35 PM
Stainless and nutzerts work for me and will look good.
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Post by: Sammconn on March 05, 2015, 05:34:37 PM
Well that will keep the not so properly fitting fender straighter than the welded one did!
And they'll look good. Using the same hardware for the Louvre vents?
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 06:41:33 PM
Well that will keep the not so properly fitting fender straighter than the welded one did!
And they'll look good. Using the same hardware for the Louvre vents?
Yes, same stuff on all the panels, fuel tank stuff, snorkel, other things yet to come...
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Post by: JR on March 05, 2015, 06:54:17 PM
Com-on, fire it up!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
Com-on, fire it up!!
Patience my young padiwon, patience...
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:11:14 PM
OK picture time.

Picture time because judging by the nature of the questions I get, no one has read anything! Ok, kinda just kiddin', sorta...

Welp, the problems yielded to some solutions again today as more things got solved. Starting with the front driveshaft, today was more of project GTSOTF (Get the stuff off the floor)

That drive shaft has been kicked and shoved all over the garage and beat up, kind of like a Comet's trip around the solar system, that driveshaft has been everywhere. It survived because it was too heavy for the red dog to carry off so for now I'll use it, but probably go to something a bit stouter in the near future.

I cleaned on it for about a week, and here is what it looked like:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:12:49 PM
I bolted it in first and noticed I had to stretch it out a bit to reach the front axle which like out travelling comet, had moved further away from the center of the truck
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
Couldn't live with it being all scuffed up and having never been driven at all, so I mixed up some fine Lycoming gray and brushed a coat of glossy gray stuff on the injured spots
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Post by: Sammconn on March 05, 2015, 07:17:32 PM
OK picture time.

Picture time because judging by the nature of the questions I get, no one has read anything! Ok, kinda just kiddin', sorta...

Welp, the problems yielded to some solutions again today as more things got solved. Starting with the front driveshaft, today was more of project GTSOTF (Get the stuff off the floor)

That drive shaft has been kicked and shoved all over the garage and beat up, kind of like a Comet's trip around the solar system, that driveshaft has been everywhere. It survived because it was too heavy for the red dog to carry off so for now I'll use it, but probably go to something a bit stouter in the near future.

I cleaned on it for about a week, and here is what it looked like:
Wow did that ever get beat up. Looks like the red dog was using it as a chew toy!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:18:25 PM
Still can't figure out where this thing goes???

There is a 4 Wheel Drive light on the dash and nothing that turns that on, so this must have once upon a time plugged into the transfer case...but where???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:19:59 PM
OK picture time.

Picture time because judging by the nature of the questions I get, no one has read anything! Ok, kinda just kiddin', sorta...

Welp, the problems yielded to some solutions again today as more things got solved. Starting with the front driveshaft, today was more of project GTSOTF (Get the stuff off the floor)

That drive shaft has been kicked and shoved all over the garage and beat up, kind of like a Comet's trip around the solar system, that driveshaft has been everywhere. It survived because it was too heavy for the red dog to carry off so for now I'll use it, but probably go to something a bit stouter in the near future.

I cleaned on it for about a week, and here is what it looked like:
Wow did that ever get beat up. Looks like the red dog was using it as a chew toy!
It got pee'd on about 50 times and I had guerdoned off the area where it was as an active bio hazard, but like some democrats, it persisted and survived!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:20:59 PM
Next up I cleaned up and mounted up the window washer fluid tank
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:21:56 PM
It's kind of close to that larger turbo, so I might have to get it some heat wrap
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Post by: JR on March 05, 2015, 07:22:44 PM
The angle looks good from here. How much spline engagement do you have?

Maybe just a heatshield will be enough. Can't change the underhood temp much but that would keep the direct heat off.

I can't really see what the small part is, dark and black gloves!

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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
This original transfer case skid plate found a home and got off the floor, but the aft mount it used was replaced by the transfer case cross member I fabbed some time ago
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:24:35 PM
The angle looks goo from here. How much spline engagement do you have.
I think I have plenty. From the resting position, I pulled it out about 1/5"
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:26:02 PM
So I drilled through the skid plate and cross member and bolted it down. I don't think I'll trim the back off as it stiffens up the plate some
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
I intend to add a bunch more skid plating when I get onto that phase of the project, but this piece has all the access holes to drain the transfer and it's a bit of the "past" of this truck

Moving on, I started on the water/alchy spray system. First the jet is installed
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:29:50 PM
THis is the Snow Performance pump I pulled off the Tundra some time ago
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
First I made up a harness connector
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:32:41 PM
Next the mounting plate was created and undercoated
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:33:37 PM
The pump will tuck up here under the passenger seat of the cab
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:34:55 PM
The water/alcohol tank has this 1/4NPT outlet which I plugged up with the correct fitting
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:36:44 PM
I had routed the nylon line way back when I just refinished the frame, so it is well protected by all sorts of things like the fuel tank and crossmembers
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
Next the pump is attached to the mounting plate
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 07:40:27 PM
Then the plate was mounted to the body. The line was routed to the jet at the elbow and the installation of this guy is complete save the wiring which will be run tomorrow

And that concludes build day 224 in the ever changing life of Square D
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Post by: Sammconn on March 05, 2015, 07:58:23 PM
The water/alcohol tank has this 1/4NPT outlet which I plugged up with the correct fitting
It seems you have some frame rust at the alchy tank that mustn't have been caught/coated on the frame prep. 
I'm sure you saw it as you took the picture or posted it and have plans for some more undercoating.
Looks like you are only a few short days...hours...from firing it up!
Press on and START IT for us all! :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Allow me to solicit some opinions here

This part 5 has now reached 46 pages in length, hundreds of posts

Should I continue adding to this or close this part off and start a part 6?

I was going to start part 6 with the bumper build but I am still a ways out from that while I connect all the dots on getting the truck running once again. So this could go on for awhile and bet pretty big...

So what would you knuckleheads like to see?
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Post by: Mrwoody on March 05, 2015, 08:51:02 PM
Keep going on part five. The bumper build should be it's own chapter
The truck build is going great.
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Post by: BobbyB on March 05, 2015, 09:13:52 PM
I'd say keep going. On alchy/whatever you want pump, what's the capacity and how long will it last? I remember you saying how much it should hold when the guy fabbed it up for you, just can't remember right now.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 09:24:23 PM
I'd say keep going. On alchy/whatever you want pump, what's the capacity and how long will it last? I remember you saying how much it should hold when the guy fabbed it up for you, just can't remember right now.
We never measured the capacity, but I'd place is somewhere between 5-7 gallons.

I am going to set it up initially to spray above 15 lbs boost. One tank should last a very long time. I selected the larger nozzle, but in the future I will spray two jets. One at 10psi, and a second at 17-20 somewhere.

That should lower EGT's 200-300 degrees and add about 100-150 ft lbs of torque
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2015, 09:26:20 PM
Keep going on part five. The bumper build should be it's own chapter
The truck build is going great.
Well there is going to be a front bumper build, a rear bumper build, a rock rail/side protection build, a skid plate build and some exo-skeleton as well. That will make that part of the transformation quite extensive. I had planned for all that and the electronics upgrades to be part 6
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Post by: Sammconn on March 05, 2015, 10:00:43 PM
I agree. Stay in part 5 until momentum shifts direction.
The bumper builds would be a good turning point.
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Post by: JR on March 06, 2015, 02:20:13 AM
Dang thats alot of boost for it to kick in at. Not for cruzing but running huh. You going run a mix or just water?

I run a 20% alcohol, but have something wrong in mine and haven't figured it out yet. Think its in the lines.

Are you going to run a KIA proof cover over the pump?
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 06, 2015, 09:26:34 AM
Dang thats alot of boost for it to kick in at. Not for cruzing but running huh. You going run a mix or just water?

I run a 20% alcohol, but have something wrong in mine and haven't figured it out yet. Think its in the lines.

Are you going to run a KIA proof cover over the pump?
I'm listening to recommendations...most of you guyz are smarter than me...what boost numba would you recommend?

Boost juice or window washer fluid either 50/50 or 49/51 mixture alchy/H2O

Def kia proof Hyundai, nessen, and hynda proof as well!. Rock rail and skid platage will solve all that business
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 06, 2015, 09:28:21 AM
I agree. Stay in part 5 until momentum shifts direction.
The bumper builds would be a good turning point.
OK enough of the masses have spoken
Stay to part 5 it is
We'll stay the course here for awhile and when we have a running truck, we'll shift it up to the armorage section.
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Post by: EL TATE on March 06, 2015, 05:29:37 PM
Hear hear!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2015, 01:12:45 PM
Wiring, switches, relays, gages, more switches, panels, buses, solenoids...

All this is the flavor of the day

Now all these things requiring electrical power are needing to be attended to. To make my life much easier I just picked up this cool 8-switch ARC switching panel
First it has no electronics, and no digitial circuits, so you guessed it, it's EMP proof!
Next the switches are certified to 1 billion cycles which in dollars equals the cost of two of the first lady's 6 annual vacations!
Each switch is tied to a circuit breaker and it's own relay, so the switch only switches a miniscule amperage and the relays do the heavy lifting.
Next on the side of the panel are tow sets of micro switchs which govern the operation of the switches.
The first set of switches allow you to control whether the switch is always powered or only when the ignition is on!
The second set of micro switches governs whether the main switch is momentary or or simply on and off!
How cool is that?

A bit spendy $327 from our friends at the Summit, but Square D will like the addition.
I am running all the wires and mounting all the hard parts at the moment. I will need to bring in some wires from another location then upstairs to the E-Shelf as it will be called from hence forward!
On that E-shelf will be the CB radio, a bus, the breakers, the relay assemblyand the main panel which so far will consist of this switch panel of 8 switches,
the master battery control toggle
Front Air Locker
Covert light switch (NVG lighting)
Rheostat for NVG post lights
Countermeasures deploy push button
a voltmeter
Voltmeter bat1/bat2 switch
and several extra switches which are not tasked but ready for future additions

The bank of 8 will include:
Fuel pump 1
Fuel pump 2
H20 injection
Scene illumination
smoke generator
countermeasures master
Avionics/GPS master
Computer master
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2015, 01:33:59 PM
A little (A lot) crude, but this is my first stab of how the overall setup will look.

The rheostat is for the blue/green NVG post lighting

The unlabeled switch on the left will be a fuel transfer pump switch to transfer fuel from the aux to the main tank
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 07, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
Funny ya mentioned counter measures- thought of that yesterday! (while driving with an idiot wanting me to hook them to the hitch) Something along the lines of a box that I'd fill with those stand-up tire stars and dump with the pull of a cable similar to your injector pump kill cable.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on March 09, 2015, 07:00:39 PM
So to help the ignorant, all of this will need to go into a faraday box of some sort or no?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:04:17 PM
So to help the ignorant, all of this will need to go into a faraday box of some sort or no?
Nope Tater, no faraday
Cause
It's not electronic
Just switches and wires and relays and fuse panels. Old school all.
Anything electronic which you will see in the form of a GPS and a laptop will be disposable
A laptop and drive will live in a ammo can which has the known universe stored inside!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:06:09 PM
First up today was to get the snorkel threaded Nutserts pulled into the chinaman fender from Dr Yeng fender works and catfish house. So I did
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:07:25 PM
I pulled them with a large fender washer on the inside to make a mo-better grip
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:09:12 PM
The two you see with the thin stainless washers on the outside were where due to underlying fender structure I feared a NSGGS (Not so good grip situation)
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:10:43 PM
I test fitted the stainless button-head screws which will secure franken Snorkel once and for all
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Post by: JR on March 09, 2015, 07:11:24 PM
What are you drilling those holes with? Looks all pushed in. Is that how Don drills holes?

Ah, that looks all better with the inserts in.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:36:50 PM
Next onto fixing Dr Yeng's fender fo-pa. I had to beat on it just like it was some Chinaman's head which you were trying to explain the concept of quality to...I.E. you need to hit it both hard and many times!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
What are you drilling those holes with? Looks all pushed in. Is that how Don drills holes?

Ah, that looks all better with the inserts in.
Dr Yeng fenderworks product...Steel is .00000000023" thick
Nuff said
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:39:42 PM
I scored some 6061 aluminum .125" thick to make the overhead panel

Here it is before the "Operation"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:40:42 PM
It is going in up here:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:41:55 PM
I'll use a bunch of screws to fool me into thinking I'm in an aircraft again
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:43:32 PM
The panel first gets the battery solenoid switch hole along with the indicator lights
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:44:45 PM
Then I punched the holes for the tach and the voltmeter

The voltmeter gets a switch to allow me to check the voltage on either battery from the same gage
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:46:14 PM
Next comes some more switch holes then the first of two fuse panels
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:49:49 PM
Then I cut in a bunch more switch holes being careful to vary things up so that items can be identified by feel in the dark as well as position. The big chrome pull switch is the "Scene illumination" switch which turns on the world to throw light everywhere jest en kase them's bad boys come ah-sneekin'  Ya see they would have all that bright lighe renderin' their eye-pieces more or less useless. Heck, they probably wouldn't even notice the 12 gage barrel right behind one of the floods!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 07:51:38 PM
I did some other things as well like build some wiring harnesses up which I will show later, but basically, that was another 7 hours of work on Square D and the completion of build day 225
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: N8MFH on March 09, 2015, 08:13:53 PM
For your mystery connector back at the transfer case, it goes on a switch mounted at the outboard (2wd-4wd) shift rail where the poppet ball bearing and spring are.  I'd have to look back through to when you did your rebuild to see, but maybe you just have two retainer bolts installed now?  Hope that's helpful.
keep up the good work!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 11:20:57 PM
For your mystery connector back at the transfer case, it goes on a switch mounted at the outboard (2wd-4wd) shift rail where the poppet ball bearing and spring are.  I'd have to look back through to when you did your rebuild to see, but maybe you just have two retainer bolts installed now?  Hope that's helpful.
keep up the good work!
Hmmm, I don't remember that switch, but it obviously must have been there
I installed an aftermarket spring/ball/screw setup that gives a more positive engagement in to the various positions. That explains why I didn't have something to replace!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:47:01 AM
RedNeck, you will enjoy this part...

I just ordered my CB radio.

A Cobra 40 channel unit around $100 that has a color selectable screen. This one had a lot of features and with my being able to tune in a green or blue screen, it becomes NVG compatible

This will be part of the commo suite which will also include GMRS handhelds front and rear mounted with a docking port
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on March 10, 2015, 11:48:36 AM
Next onto fixing Dr Yeng's fender fo-pa. I had to beat on it just like it was some Chinaman's head which you were trying to explain the concept of quality to...I.E. you need to hit it both hard and many times!
You and Nate ought to get together and do a body class!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on March 10, 2015, 12:38:44 PM
I know nothing about body work at all
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 01:58:38 PM
I worked at a body shop about 400 years ago, but over the years I stayed on it. In the Army I was always painting something. One of my soldiers would get me to paint their car or trailer, or truck...Heck one Saturday I even helped one crew chief paint his Chinook Helicopter.
I know, I know...You heard that story before...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on March 10, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
I know nothing about body work at all
after the work on daisy's hood you might be an expert.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:09:57 PM
Wiring is S L O W

Spent al day wiring things up, pulling wire, redoing harnesses and so many pesky little operations, well, I need a break

Before we get into that, the louver panels came in. These will be used to ventilate the power steering cooler fender area and the hood of hot engine temps

The white is a plastic peel-off cover
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:12:07 PM
Just eyeballing it on the wrong fender, I could mount the louvers to act as scoops to draw in air, or mount them traditionally to allow air to escape.

I'm thinking keeping the opening facing aft will keep the fenders from scooping up mud and channeling it into the engine!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:14:06 PM
The #4 wire will supply power to all sorts of things inside the cab

The harness is definitely growing in size...I will have to create another way to get all those wires into the cab
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:15:10 PM
The voltmeter showed up:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:16:46 PM
This manly switch is a on-off-on unit which I will use to select which battery voltage the voltmeter is reading
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:18:23 PM
The ARC aotocontrols switch panel showed up today as well. This compact unit features 7 relays and 8 fuses which are remote mounted and ribbon cabled to the switch bank
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:19:29 PM
Here is the business end, the 8 switches
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
The voltmeter selector switch
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:23:19 PM
This thin and flexy ribbon cable connects the relay assembly to the switch assembly

This is some high quality stuff, and no teeny-weeny electronic circuits to get fried!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
I needed some place to mount that relay assembly, so the glove box compartment got volunteered
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:26:22 PM
4 #10 screws and some nylon lock nuts later and it is permanized
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:30:07 PM
The heavy black cable gets attached to a hot battery post so that was routed out through the cowl to the right fender where I will mount a mega-fuse and use that to supply power to the winch as well

I needed another spot away from the way too busy left firewall to route all these new wires, so I created this hole and bulkhead seal in the passenger floor to accomodate
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:33:37 PM
Once I run the wires, I'll place another piece of dynamat over the flattened wires and seal the holes with RTV

With that done, and the glove box door remounted I wired in both fuel pumps, the water/methanol pump and ran a wire for a future fuel transfer pump which will pump fuel from the aux tank into the main tank
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2015, 08:37:04 PM
So far, so good. I have 4 of those switches remaining and a half dozen more independent switches yet to task, so I'm in good shape to get everything wired in.

Shortly I will tear down the panel, paint and label it, then install it and get some things working at long last

Not many pics, but a lot of work took place. Tomorrow more of the same unless I decide to take a break and cut in one of those Louvre panels
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Post by: Sammconn on March 10, 2015, 10:42:08 PM
Ah come on now Big D. Wiring isn't slow, just keeping it orderly and neat and...well I guess you could get away with saying its slow. 8)
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Post by: husker77c on March 10, 2015, 11:43:25 PM
Just eyeballing it on the wrong fender, I could mount the louvers to act as scoops to draw in air, or mount them traditionally to allow air to escape.

I'm thinking keeping the opening facing aft will keep the fenders from scooping up mud and channeling it into the engine!

I've had this same idea to cover up the holes in my fender where I  removed the badges.  Mine would be more for looks than function which goes against most of what I believe in but for $30 for a pair I can live with it.  And I don't have to use my sub par welding skills to fill holes. 
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Post by: JR on March 11, 2015, 01:33:52 AM
Darn those switches are purdy, to bad they are so pricey!!

Not much room in the glove box for gloves with that.

I do slightly question the wiring through the passenger floor. Isn't that a fairly high wear area?
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 08:10:09 AM
Darn those switches are purdy, to bad they are so pricey!!

Not much room in the glove box for gloves with that.

I do slightly question the wiring through the passenger floor. Isn't that a fairly high wear area?
When I pulled the carpet way back when I discovered factory wiring which was run under on the floor.
I think it will be a non issue, especially being covered with some dynamat

And yes, those switches are over the top, but at $327 the last set I will be buying for awhile!
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Post by: OldKooT on March 11, 2015, 08:19:08 AM
I don't think I'd worry abut the wiring and the floor. I'd be more worried in my world about the relays starting the 45 left over napkins from Taco Bell my wife always seems to stash in the glove box on fire.

But being a 1st gen Dodge owner, smoke erupting from a dash area isn't cause for panic. It's rather normal LoL

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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 08:39:02 AM
I don't think I'd worry abut the wiring and the floor. I'd be more worried in my world about the relays starting the 45 left over napkins from Taco Bell my wife always seems to stash in the glove box on fire.

But being a 1st gen Dodge owner, smoke erupting from a dash area isn't cause for panic. It's rather normal LoL


Funny Norm!

Well, there will be more avionics going in the old glove box space. and on the drivers side, I thought I install a few magazine pouches/holders, maybe a battery holder/charger as well

Oh, and a mount for my new tactical double barrel battle light:
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Post by: OldKooT on March 11, 2015, 08:52:46 AM
I should acquire one of those "tactical" devices. I have a nice LED Ray O Vac ($4.38) flashlight in my truck, but whenever I go to use it it's missing. Maybe loving family members wouldn't swipe the oinker light.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 09:01:13 AM
I should acquire one of those "tactical" devices. I have a nice LED Ray O Vac ($4.38) flashlight in my truck, but whenever I go to use it it's missing. Maybe loving family members wouldn't swipe the oinker light.
That's why I use it
No one would be caught dead with it so I know it will always be there

And I have it rail mounted (Duct taped) to my M4. Anyone seeing that will 1. pause for a moment, and 2. not take me as a serious threat...which combine to give me the tactical advantage and win the fight.

Note: Pig flashlights work like grenades when thrown at crowds of muslims!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:08:49 PM
Needed a bit of a breather from the non stop wiring

So I decided to mount the louver panel

This is the factory left fender (Way heavier than Dr Yeng's Chinese made fender). The panel will go in the front
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:10:54 PM
While I was prying off the rear trim piece, I discovered the first rust perforation on this truck!

Darn...not liking this, but I am not going to Dr Yeng for another fender made from soybean extract, so I'll fis my 'merican made jem!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:11:43 PM
The access panel will fit about here
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:12:54 PM
So, first the holes are drilled and the panel cleco'd into place
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:15:18 PM
Then after marking, the cutout is made by drilling the corners and using a fine tooth blade in a sabre-saw.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:16:02 PM
And the finished product:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
The other panel was fitted to an area on the right fender under the snorkel.

Concept of the operation is to vent the heat the turbo and down pipe is making, so that side of the hood will also get perforated

Note the large opening through which you can actually see the turbo exhaust side
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
And here it is fitted and ready for finishing
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:21:43 PM
Enough playing around...back to the salt mine!

Here I have wired in the rear flood light
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:23:24 PM
And started to run more wires under the floor pan

The wire tie loops are temporary. Once the harness is all pulled, I will tape it, then cover with the convoluted tubing, then fasten it to the holes you see here
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:25:13 PM
Next I drilled a 1" hole in the corner of the dash and set a wire clamp near the top of the A-pillar. Wires will run up through this hole to the overhead shelf
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:39:21 PM
Here is the front ARB air pump harness which will power the Yukon Grizzly someday
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:40:16 PM
The lower wiring harness is shaping up as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:42:41 PM
I decided to add a brace to the water/alcohol pump and add some adel clamps down there as well. This area will get a skid plate
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
Late in the day, the harness is shaping up and now the fuel pumps are connected, the transfer pump circuit is run, half of the overhead
Scene Illumination" lights are wired in and the Air locker system wires have been run to the overhead
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
It was a pretty almost-spring day and that ends build day 227 in the SquareD saga
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Post by: OldKooT on March 11, 2015, 08:13:46 PM
Looking good Don....Your motivating me to make sure our crew cab has like maybe 30 wires tops LoL
At least your working on your truck. I was informed yesterday I have until early June to get our on the road. Yet another deadline missed most likely......



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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 08:21:24 PM
Looking good Don....Your motivating me to make sure our crew cab has like maybe 30 wires tops LoL
At least your working on your truck. I was informed yesterday I have until early June to get our on the road. Yet another deadline missed most likely......





Early June!!!!!!!!!!

No way!
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Post by: OldKooT on March 11, 2015, 08:26:01 PM
I don't think I am ambitious enough to get it running by June. Then again, if I stopped sitting in the lawn chair so much and thinking it would most likely speed things up. I tend to work slow....proof in fact, I haven't got the frame out of the ice yet.... upside: The ice melted so no hurry now LoL

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Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 08:32:31 PM
I'm sort of the same. I start slow then taper off from there

Like my wife says, Well you're slow, but at least you do poor work!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:23:48 PM
Another pretty long day of chorsey stuff.

First up I still needed to make the connections between the filler ports/necks for the fuel tank and the water methanol tanks so I selected some radiator hoses to do the trick
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
The H2o/alchy tank was easy, just slip the 30" convoluted hose on and clamp it
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:26:17 PM
Next I placed a filter in the supply line to the alcohol tank
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:27:57 PM
Next I tried to add 4 gallons of 50/50 mixture to the tank, but I quickly discovered I forgot to add a vent when the funnel burped a bunch of the fluid all over me
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:28:53 PM
So I added a vent and fixed it right up
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
That tank swallowed the 4 gallons of boost juice and a gallon of window washer fluid like it was nothing. So I know the capacity probably exceeds 5 gallons
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:32:00 PM
Next I cut up that Gates radiator hose and fitted it to the fuel tank filler neck, completing that task. I am now ready to add fuel!
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Post by: JR on March 12, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Forgot to add a vent to mine too.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
Just about then, believe it or not the brown truck showed up with the battery cables I needed to connect the new overhead switch panel
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
Two 50" cables one 2 gage, one-4 gage. You'll see why in a moment.

By ordering battery cables it is cheaper than just buying welding cable. These two were around $30

I cut off the terminal end and soldered a ring eye to it
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:38:25 PM
I'll be using two mega-fuses in line. One will host a 250 amp fuse, the other a 175 amp
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:40:52 PM
First I soldered a ring eye to the switch bank power supply cable. Then routed that to the second mega fuse in line the 175 amp one which is mounted to the right fender here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:44:37 PM
I ran the 4 gage cable forward to what is the first mega fuse, the 250 amp unit

That mega fuse, the 250 amp unit is hard mounted to the jungle Jim supplied front spring mount and frame tie and is sitting just inches away from where the winch will reside. This is the power supply for that winch. I am prepositioning circuits for what I know is coming up
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:46:33 PM
Then the 2 gage cable attaches to the far end of the fuse and runs back to the primary battery
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:49:36 PM
Again I needed a bit of a break from the monotony of wiring so I addressed the CB antenna keeper, which was a joke at best

I cut a thick flap of silicon ply, about 1/4" thick, bolted it to the inverted hook, and screwed it into place, then cut a slot which now securely holds that antenna
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
Back to the real work...The other box on the brown truck contained the new Cobra CB radio
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
I discovered there was no way it was ever going to fit in the overhead shelf, so after hunting around I found the only place I thought it would fit, on the dash. I didn't want to use this area as I had planned to add in a sliding shelf/desk thing with a computer on it, but so goes those plans!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 06:53:48 PM
And that, boys and girls is the end of build day 228
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Post by: ce_tx on March 13, 2015, 08:24:16 PM
WOW you have been busy, looking good Don!!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 13, 2015, 08:44:41 PM
WOW you have been busy, looking good Don!!!
Danka!
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Post by: Jungle on March 14, 2015, 08:20:27 AM
Don
Awesome work!!!!!
Jim
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 14, 2015, 09:57:51 PM
Thank ya
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Post by: BobbyB on March 14, 2015, 10:26:55 PM
Ok, I'll make you a deal. You finish up D2, and send her up here, and I'll drive it around and show her off. Then you can take XJ and show the interwebz what you can do with her.. Or, yea just forget it..
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 05:56:33 PM
Ok, I'll make you a deal. You finish up D2, and send her up here, and I'll drive it around and show her off. Then you can take XJ and show the interwebz what you can do with her.. Or, yea just forget it..
Disapproved
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
The wiring continues
But I've reached a point where this panel needs to be fitted near or in the shelf so I can start hooking things up and testing circuits.
I managed to figure out the ARB wiring and got that harness trimmed down and hooked up. I got the motor to turn on so if it's on it will lock that front diff...Cool!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:01:20 PM
The panel was stripped down and the Nutserts installed. They (size 10 X 24) went right in and worked much better than the 1/4" ones
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:02:24 PM
With that, the panel was cleaned, sanded and primed with the acid etch stuff
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:03:38 PM
Then painted with three coats of the Nason acrylic enamel with hardener
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:09:35 PM
That thing will look good installed up on the shelf all filled up with switchamolgistics

Since the nutsert tool was out, I decided to install #10 screws into the louver panels instead of the larger 1/4" hardware. I think it will look more finished that way
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:10:26 PM
The heat extractor on the passenger side fender got the same treatment
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:12:35 PM
Turns out I had to open up the aft electrical compartment to access the ARB Pump. That went easy enough, but I found I had not installed the pressure shutoff switch so I'll need to grab a Brass "T" to fit it in there
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:14:24 PM
This seat is much better than those race looking seats in the cab, so it's going back in there. Cammo will brighten up things some and match the gray panels...Oh, I plan to redo the dash panel in Lycoming gray as well!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 06:18:34 PM
Then it was back to running wires and hooking things up. I found some sort of glitch in my super-duper ARC switch panel, as in it is not switching anything on!
So I went to installing a better ground(s). I also ran the wiring and antenna for the CB radio
That didn't turn on either...neither did the fuel pumps...or H2O pump...or the...
Spark chasing...I hate spark chasing

Well, that sufficiently frustrated me into throwing in the towel. At least I solved some problems while discovering new ones. The ball moved downfield, but was penalized 5 yards as well!
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Post by: JR on March 16, 2015, 07:35:28 PM
Sure like those louvers on there, nice work.

Funny about electrical. It is so simple, but tedious!! Then it doesn't work,,,,,,,,,,,

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Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 10:43:25 PM
Sure like those louvers on there, nice work.

Funny about electrical. It is so simple, but tedious!! Then it doesn't work,,,,,,,,,,,


Exactly!
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Post by: BobbyB on March 17, 2015, 02:38:25 AM
While reading the updates and sipping on my morning coffee,  I had an epiphany.

I, in my own opinion, think that panel you made would look nice, in the OD like the outside,  with the names/settings done in white. But that's my .02

Regardless, looking good
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Post by: OldKooT on March 17, 2015, 07:06:17 AM
 I can only hope I can get half as much done in a day as you do. Looking good and getting close to a test drive.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:54:27 AM
While reading the updates and sipping on my morning coffee,  I had an epiphany.

I, in my own opinion, think that panel you made would look nice, in the OD like the outside,  with the names/settings done in white. But that's my .02

Regardless, looking good
The snorkel is going to get finished a little better, then sprayed with that Raptor urethane bed liner because I see it pushing branches out of the way a lot and suffering the increased scratch type wear.

As for the aluminum louver panels, I planned to paint them O.D. same as the truck, but keep the screws natural stainless. The lettering is the desert cammo color which I chose along with OD green to honor the warriors of several wars that we and our fathers have fought. Whenever I see that OD, I think of my dad and his fellow warriors in their B-17's tearing up the place. When I see the desert colored lettering I am reminded of Iraq and Afghanistan and all the brave warriors there.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:57:12 AM
I can only hope I can get half as much done in a day as you do. Looking good and getting close to a test drive.
Norm,
It's like trying to hold onto a hand full of those red wigglers. You know, the frisky night crawler type worms we use for fishing. Just try and hold on to them and one, two, or three are always managing to craw away. Well, that's truck building. You just have to keep up the pace fast enough to stay ahead of those wigglers!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:18:27 PM
OK, just finished another day on SquareD

The objective was to get the switch panel partially installed and get the snorkel closer to finishing, which will happen this week

First up, I roughed up the snorkel then got a heavy coating of body plastic filler onto it
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:19:31 PM
After some setting-up time, I filed it to it's approximate shape, just removing the high and lumpy areas
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:21:05 PM
After a few hours of cure time I went after it with 40 grit and shaped it up. I think it is very close to what I want, and plenty good enough for bed liner urethane
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:22:42 PM
The paint cured on the switch panel, so I preassembled what I could of it prior to sticking it in the Dodge
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:25:14 PM
Next I hung it upside down and facing forward with zip ties.

THis is the maintenance position. I will set it up so that when (If) one removes it, it will hang just like this giving access to the business end to make additions/repairs, or modifications
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
Throughout the day it became more and more complete and more things began working.

This was the situation about mid day
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:27:43 PM
While I was working on that, I mounted the rest of the CB radio stuff. It is now ready to clutter the airways with useless chatter
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:30:27 PM
As the thing comes together I am taking painstaking steps to ensure the growing wiring bundles stay neat and tucked away. The last step will be to cover them with the convoluted tubing hiding them completely
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:31:56 PM
Continuing along, I picked up a brass "T" and a nipple and screwed all that together to make the ARB air pump complete
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:34:39 PM
The brown truck showed up with the 1/4" nylon tubing which I wasted no time in attaching to the pump and running to the front locker.

Then I discovered the Yukon locker has 1/8" tubing, not 1/4"...so, I guess a reducer fitting is called for.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 07:37:01 PM
A little more wiring and that was all she wrote on the build clock for build day #230

Oh, and C-Max is getting along quite nicely!
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Post by: KensAuto on March 17, 2015, 08:12:24 PM
You can't keep using the same picture of cmax. We need proof-of-life and no games or we'll........
....well, we'll.....oh, just use your imagination!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 09:16:31 PM
You can't keep using the same picture of cmax. We need proof-of-life and no games or we'll........
....well, we'll.....oh, just use your imagination!
Last pic it had 4 months of dust on it. I just had it washed over at the truck wash.

You can't see that shine?

It's a purdy thing!
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Post by: OldKooT on March 17, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
LoL folks can always tell when I wash my daily driver 1st gen. It always has less paint after a good scrubbing...

I think day to day you get far more done than I do Don. You wired half a truck and did body work. I beat on some rivets and sprayed a little paint. I think I spend too much time looking at my wife's backside...I might ban her from the shop.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:43:56 AM
LoL folks can always tell when I wash my daily driver 1st gen. It always has less paint after a good scrubbing...

I think day to day you get far more done than I do Don. You wired half a truck and did body work. I beat on some rivets and sprayed a little paint. I think I spend too much time looking at my wife's backside...I might ban her from the shop.


I just work a lot in the garage because of the alternative.

If I was caught lounging in the house, I'd be repairing something, painting something, doing dishes, washing clothes or other things I am not qualified to do!
Since I don't like being idle, and since I choose to hide in the garage, well, there you have it...a lot of stuff gets done...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 18, 2015, 01:11:36 PM
LoL folks can always tell when I wash my daily driver 1st gen. It always has less paint after a good scrubbing...

Sounds like the Burb, what did they use for paint back then!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
OK, still toiling away at the electrical stuff, but I think I am gaining ground!

Funny, but look at the pic and it doesn't look like much was accomplished, but that is after hours of work since the last photo that looked about the same!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:05:57 PM
I need to dig deeper into the vehicles wiring harness so I can figure out how to override the light switches for the black-out-drive mode we all enjoy in the militaree

So out came parts of the instrument panel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:08:13 PM
Then the light switch which can be a real bugger to get to!

Once I checked that out and found out what I needed to (That is: This is not what I needed to be looking at!) I reassembled it with the proper blessings (unfortunately)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:10:39 PM
The work continued on the overhead switch panel and it is cleaning up nicely. Remember that glob of wires hanging down from the pillar gages? Well all that got wired in and tucked away in the overhead and now is all cleaned up!

I was getting some help from one of the pre-rangers!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
I found out that I had not connected one wire for the battery switching solenoid so I fixed that and ran some more ground wires while I was at it...One can never have enough ground cables!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:13:26 PM
Now the pyrometer and the boost gage are wired in and almost hooked up. Missing still is the final connection of the boost line to the manifold...easy!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:14:57 PM
You might not be able to tell, but a lot of wiring has been attached and routed that was hanging loose in the breeze a day or two ago
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:16:47 PM
The pre-Ranger was working on some rusty screws on the old headlights. Those casings will get cleaned up and hopefully put to use tomorrow holding in some new headlights
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:19:14 PM
Here is one of the tricks I plan to create: The secondary bulb is for black-out drive operations. It will get actuated by a switch on the overhead and will throw out enough light to make very dark night NVG driving a breeze while not being visible to someone looking toward the sound of the truck
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:20:23 PM
New vs. old sealed beam which I plan to donate to the Smithsonian museum!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:21:12 PM
And that right there campers is the end to another buildin' day in the life of SquareD
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on March 18, 2015, 07:54:52 PM
I think ken has the oldest truck of us all followed by either me or duane (I don't remember what year duanes is).  so I think the 3 of us have you beat with the age of sealed beam headlights.........lol

that is just awesome that the young man is wanting to learn a little sometin sometin about ohms law
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 18, 2015, 10:27:16 PM
Still remember the # system of color stripes on resistors to this day that I learned about that age (politically incorrect) ending in "...but Virginia Gives Willingly ........" -don't completely remember how to apply it though.  Do remember not to take a capacitor from someone without touching the contacts to metal before grabbing the ends!  :D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 19, 2015, 01:37:52 AM
The blue is a nice idea but why not wig-wags too. That could really through someone off thinking it was a emergency vehicle, and blind em a little!!

Forgot, which gauges did you get? Looking at my 3 gauge pillar. Pyro, boost, trans temp.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2015, 08:04:12 AM
Hmmm, emergency vehicle masking...hadn't thought of that!

Gages that I added:

Pyrometer
Boost
Tach
Voltmeter

I thought about adding a trans temp, but with an extra couple gallons of fluid, all those lines and two coolers, I think I should be OK even out there in the desert.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on March 19, 2015, 08:42:18 AM
I am going to cleverly disguise our Crew Cab as a mall crawler LoL

Don without a trans temp guage how will you know how well your cooler is working? Just saying.... 8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2015, 08:46:00 AM
I am going to cleverly disguise our Crew Cab as a mall crawler LoL

Don without a trans temp guage how will you know how well your cooler is working? Just saying.... 8)
But you're the guy who only has 30 wires in the whole truck?
Got cha!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on March 19, 2015, 09:00:12 AM
I got chills reading the "30 wires" I was hoping for less than a dozen.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
I got chills reading the "30 wires" I was hoping for less than a dozen.
You are going to be a sadly mistaken over wishin' wnder assumin' man when it comes to these two words Wiring-Easy!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on March 19, 2015, 10:52:58 AM
unfortunately don, not all of us can acquire a vehicle that has not been molested in some way, shape, fashion or form.  I am very very tempted to get a new harness and have the entire truck re-done.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 19, 2015, 11:12:19 AM
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/eating/eating-popcorn-smiley-emoticon-1.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 19, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
JR-

Where did you find an update of Nate's favorite thing to post!!!??
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2015, 02:28:51 PM
unfortunately don, not all of us can acquire a vehicle that has not been molested in some way, shape, fashion or form.  I am very very tempted to get a new harness and have the entire truck re-done.
Not sure what just happened there

I was making light of the wiring thing, that's all!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on March 19, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
just givin yah a little razzin don.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: wilsonphil on March 19, 2015, 05:17:22 PM
New vs. old sealed beam which I plan to donate to the Smithsonian museum!

Where did you get the headlights from?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2015, 06:06:13 PM
New vs. old sealed beam which I plan to donate to the Smithsonian museum!

Where did you get the headlights from?
Man it's been so long, and I have ordered so many things, I don't remember.

One thing, though, they are HID's

I am no longer such a big fan of HID's

I just yanked two inoperative low beam HID's out of C-Max and replaced them with some super duper LED's

One of my aux driving lights which I have wired into the high beam circuit also burned out. So that's 3 out of 4 HID's on that truck failed. And one of those bulbs had already been replaced.

Chinese junk most likely!

I think I'll just retrofit the HID housings with LED's
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on March 19, 2015, 09:04:02 PM
I think I'll just retrofit the HID housings with LED's
Good choice me thinks. Mo dependable.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 19, 2015, 10:30:21 PM
JR-

Where did you find an update of Nate's favorite thing to post!!!??

Use the search,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 20, 2015, 09:36:46 PM
Evening update: The wiring continues. It is a metric ton of work, however I believe I am well past the mid point. I still need to run some wires, but most things are now wired in.
One persistent problem, though, is with the ARC switch panel. I just cannot get it to work. I have tried everything three times already!
I now believe the relay panel or cable or switch module is defective. It should have worked at some point while I sorted through it. I even double grounded the thing with no luck!
Today, I searched and searched for a LED headlight conversion, but to no avail. I am left with either running halogen bulbs or the supplied HID bulbs.
The Halogen would make sense since they would be EMP proof, but the HID's would throw a lot of light out there. The HID's, however have not proven themselves to be long lasting and are somewhat electronic in nature. Of course so are LED's so maybe halogen are the way to go. I still am on the fence about that. But I am ready to fit the headlights and wire them in.
I also decided I absolutely not only hate the seats, but also that vinyl floor mat. I think if it were rubber it would be OK, but as it is, it will not lay down flat and has some ugly good sized wrinkles, so I think I'll be swapping the carpet back in with the original bench seat. I guess I came full circle on that one!
Tomorrow I'll test the solar panels Ash sent me and see how well they work. The best of the two will get mounted on the roof
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on March 20, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
So why not spray bed liner on the floor of the cab?  Everlasting and it also works as a sound deadner and an insulator?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: EL TATE on March 20, 2015, 11:14:44 PM
100% agreed on the bedliner flooring.  Did that on the wagoneer and literally hosed the sucker out after wheeling, abused the snot out of it and it did provide some sound insulation. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on March 21, 2015, 06:52:56 AM
Don I run H4 Bulbs in my trucks. They are hellish bright and very simple/reliable. A bit old school, but then I tend to roll that way LoL

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 21, 2015, 08:38:02 AM
You might not be able to tell, but a lot of wiring has been attached and routed that was hanging loose in the breeze a day or two ago

That's the thing with wiring, the more work and thought you put into it, the less of it you see!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 21, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
One persistent problem, though, is with the ARC switch panel. I just cannot get it to work. I have tried everything three times already!
I now believe the relay panel or cable or switch module is defective. It should have worked at some point while I sorted through it. I even double grounded the thing with no luck!

Try to run a simple circuit through the switch panel and then the relay panel independently.  Isolate a single switch or relay of possible.  Its easy to get something crossed up when you are working with a bundle of wires.  I doubt its either the switches or relays.  I like to wire one circuit at a time and test each one before moving on to the next.  Tedious, I know... 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2015, 10:27:35 AM
So why not spray bed liner on the floor of the cab?  Everlasting and it also works as a sound deadner and an insulator?
Ya know, I never thought about that Nater...
But I'm old, let's not forget
I like my comforts
When I'm driving around barefoot (Kentucky thing) I like to wiggle my dogs in some cushy feelin' carpet!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2015, 10:30:03 AM
Don I run H4 Bulbs in my trucks. They are hellish bright and very simple/reliable. A bit old school, but then I tend to roll that way LoL


Funny you said that
I was rustlin' around in one of my cabinets just last night and what did I come upon?
A new set of 60 watt H4 bulbs
Made by "Old-School light company!"
Well, maybe I made that up, but I have em'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2015, 10:33:11 AM
One persistent problem, though, is with the ARC switch panel. I just cannot get it to work. I have tried everything three times already!
I now believe the relay panel or cable or switch module is defective. It should have worked at some point while I sorted through it. I even double grounded the thing with no luck!

Try to run a simple circuit through the switch panel and then the relay panel independently.  Isolate a single switch or relay of possible.  Its easy to get something crossed up when you are working with a bundle of wires.  I doubt its either the switches or relays.  I like to wire one circuit at a time and test each one before moving on to the next.  Tedious, I know... 
I have tested each circuit with a voltage tester while wiring the thing
Not that
Then just to make sure, I pulled the wires off one at a time and retested with the same results
Next I pulled each fuse one at a time and retested with the same results
Thing is the switch panel does not turn off
When I apply power the circuits are hot
You should hear those two fuel pumps howling...scary!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on March 21, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
If you disconnect the circuits, does the switch still stay hot? If so, I'd wager you have yr-self a high tech malfunction. I should be unloading a air compressor but I am out of ambition. This always happens when I spend money LoL

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 21, 2015, 12:41:03 PM
Don, with the new reflector headlamp housing you could just run 100watt bulbs too. Same thing I am doing on the burb. Lots of choices and plenty of light and you can find a replacement anywhere.

How long do you think your carpet is going to last in this thing?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 21, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
Ooooh, new compressor. Do Tell!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2015, 07:36:18 PM
Ooooh, new compressor. Do Tell!
Not here...Tell him about it over on your thread! ;-))
DOTin' the place up again...

Carpet? Who knows. All I am finding so far is that Lund cut pile stuff. I think I'd like full loop mo-better
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2015, 07:40:11 PM
Don, with the new reflector headlamp housing you could just run 100watt bulbs too. Same thing I am doing on the burb. Lots of choices and plenty of light and you can find a replacement anywhere.

How long do you think your carpet is going to last in this thing?
Yea, maybe use a jumper cable to supply full battery voltage and run halogens
The housings might melt though!
They take H4's so that would be easy except that the bulb is a high/low combo. Not sure if the 100 waters are made in that configuration
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 21, 2015, 09:08:38 PM
Have you tried using a heat gun to flatten out the wrinkles in the vinyl mat?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
Have you tried using a heat gun to flatten out the wrinkles in the vinyl mat?
No, haven't

But I don't like this stuff

Not like the factory rubberized stuff this stuff is more like plastic.

Real slippery and hard, not pliable like rubber. I thought I was purchasing something like I had in my F250 XL. But this is not that at all.

And after thinking about it, I won't be spraying bed liner over the floor either since it has a layer of dynamat running all over.

Nope, I think I'll search out some quality carpet somewhere
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 22, 2015, 01:25:27 AM
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hla-h71070201/overview/
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2015, 08:07:51 AM
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hla-h71070201/overview/
Thanks JR, You're a good man!

I'm wondering if the lexan (or maybe plastic) housing can stand up to the heat from those things. I want to think my girls used to bake cupcakes in their play oven with a lot less wattage that these bulbs!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on March 22, 2015, 08:19:00 AM
Don....these folks are well thought of. I personally have no experience with them FWIW

http://www.stockinteriors.com/AutoCarpet.asp?Itemid=19452&MakeId=33&ModelId=160 (http://www.stockinteriors.com/AutoCarpet.asp?Itemid=19452&MakeId=33&ModelId=160)

I am unclear yet what I will do with the crew cab. Carpet is most likely not an option in this land of dust/mud.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 22, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
I got front and back floor mat from LMC truck parts.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on March 22, 2015, 04:33:34 PM
I don't think lmc has the stuff for his truck, I remember looking at one point in time and I didn't see anything?  I could be wrong?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2015, 05:11:48 PM
Don....these folks are well thought of. I personally have no experience with them FWIW

http://www.stockinteriors.com/AutoCarpet.asp?Itemid=19452&MakeId=33&ModelId=160 (http://www.stockinteriors.com/AutoCarpet.asp?Itemid=19452&MakeId=33&ModelId=160)

I am unclear yet what I will do with the crew cab. Carpet is most likely not an option in this land of dust/mud.
Ordered
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2015, 05:12:17 PM
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hla-h71070201/overview/
Ordered!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:18:09 PM
OK got a bit more done today

Based on the fact that I just ordered the 80/100 watt bulbs JR suggested, I knew the stock skinny wiring harness would not be up to the task. So today's project was all about tearing into the harness and adding my own jumper harness to draw direct battery voltage through a set of relays directly to the bulbs.
You will note I have one circuit for the low beams and one circuit for the high beams.
I did it that way because any component failure will only result in the loss of either the high or low beams, but not both
I actually started the day using soap and steel wool on the headlight housings and stainless retainer rings in prep for painting
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:19:12 PM
I have decided to leave the headlight retaining rings satin stainless and paint the buckets with semi flat black
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:21:44 PM
I will be repurposing the HID wiring harnesses. Each had a built in relay and several handy weather-tite connectors.
The power comes from the battery side of that mega fuse I placed up front for the upcoming winch cable
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
The factory sealed beam plugs were cut off and reattached to the hot end of the relay switched cables
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:24:04 PM
After some wires were run and eventually the covering added, this is what it is looking like
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Everything was fitted into convoluted tubing and taped to the existing battery cable
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:26:53 PM
Next the headlight buckets were installed with new hardware
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:29:32 PM
Now comes the cool/sneaky part...The integrated NVG driving lights. I'm starting with a violet colored bulb which should throw some respectable light for NVGs and yet be nearly invisible at night to the naked eye at any distance. I made up this bulb/harness assembly.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:30:45 PM
It plugs into the headlight housing below the main bulb
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:32:27 PM
I made the screws a bit purdier ( I know it's misspeld')
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:34:21 PM
Then I repurposed some more of that old harness, creating the back side of the harness from it and adding in the Weather-tite connectors
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:35:51 PM
And now a bit after 1800, One headlight found home so at the end of the build day I had a one eyed monster and both headlights tested just fine on low and high beams!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:38:13 PM
The brown truck came in about 1700 delivering the two map lights that are going to find themselves beneath the overhead shelf, and a cool set of foot well courtesy lights

The  100 watt spot lights (Old school) are for the C-Max Chebby
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:39:45 PM
Here is the SDG (state of Don's Garage) for tonight!
CYA Later!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 24, 2015, 12:22:42 AM
Very nice Don.

Is there any concern with the main power cable down there in harms way?

Sure you are going to put a KIA Killer bumper there but that could get pinched off with just a little bend the wrong way?

What site did you get those louvers from?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
Very nice Don.

Is there any concern with the main power cable down there in harms way?

Sure you are going to put a KIA Killer bumper there but that could get pinched off with just a little bend the wrong way?

What site did you get those louvers from?

Louvers here:

http://rodlouvers.com/

I think that cable will be fine. Has a winch and a killer bumper in front of it all attached to a reinforced/boxed frame
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 24, 2015, 11:37:16 AM
THX
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:26:39 PM
Amazing how much work you can get done when you are not eating. Tomorrow is a scheduled back end borescope so today was the mallox treatment and NO FOOD

Yea, so I'm not the happiest person but at least I get to eat again tomorrow night

So lets start with the new 80/100 bulbs JR sent the link to:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:27:12 PM
And they work!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
Next, I wired in the NVG lights which like I wanted, are pretty dim
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:30:59 PM
That bluish tint might just be the wrong color. You can't see bluish/green light with goggles. I thought they were throwing some red out which is like a flame thrower to nods...We'll see (literally!)

This little rocker turns on NVG lighting
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:32:37 PM
Next up I ran the wiring harness from the roof and started connecting all of that. First to go live was the front LED box light
It's BRIGHT!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:33:55 PM
Here you can see it on along with the 80 and 100 watt headlight bulbs
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:36:50 PM
The bird's nest is increasing in complexity. I will straighten all that up once everything gets wired in.

Next up was the "Owls-Eye" long range spot. It burned a hole through the wall a short time later!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:38:24 PM
A couple more wires pulled and connections made and voila' the rear light of the "Scene-Illum" feature was making photons
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:41:38 PM
With some time remaining (Which I would normally be chewing on something tasty, The dome light got installed. I selected a couple of the Reese units intended for trucks or campers
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:42:50 PM
And it's now a part of this menagerie of parts!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:44:24 PM
The current SOTM (State of the Mess)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2015, 08:49:08 PM
I still have to wire in the side looking LED's but for now this is what it is looking like for lighting:

And that's all she wrote for build day 233
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 24, 2015, 11:46:28 PM
Got a lot done and it works!!

Are there any plans for a aimable spotlight?? Be a lot easier to aim a light than the whole truck,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on March 25, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
There may just be enough lights available to not need to aim!
Looking good there chief! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 25, 2015, 07:24:57 AM
Got a lot done and it works!!

Are there any plans for a aimable spotlight?? Be a lot easier to aim a light than the whole truck,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
No amiable light in the works except for a flashlight

The "Scene" lighting has a couple purposes. First and obviously it allows the driver to see everything all around him
But more importantly, those lights are bright enough and aimed at eye level at about the right distance so that anyone approaching won't be able to see me! They will however immediately identify the sound of the 12 gage pump action...tactical advantage...
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Post by: JR on March 25, 2015, 10:29:04 AM
Got a lot done and it works!!

Are there any plans for a aimable spotlight?? Be a lot easier to aim a light than the whole truck,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
They will however immediately identify the sound of the 12 gage pump action...tactical advantage...

Not over that CTD noise!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 25, 2015, 04:53:36 PM
Never thought about that

Well

So be it

Then, those with the better hearing get to their next birthday!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on March 25, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Man, I go away for a little while and come back to a novel!!

And better yet, a lot of progress.  Kudos on the wiring...  Don't miss that at all...   ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 26, 2015, 07:51:34 PM
Man, I go away for a little while and come back to a novel!!

And better yet, a lot of progress.  Kudos on the wiring...  Don't miss that at all...   ;)
Ash,

When are we going to see what you are doing to that new Dodge? I know you aren't leaving it alone!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Drunksailor on March 29, 2015, 07:33:22 AM
Wow so much has changed in such a short time. Lots of great work as always Don, now lets see it run.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:18:17 PM
Time to get some more stuff done.
I think I am going to try and get some painting done this week
Reason: I shorted the switch panel out and burnt the circuit board!
The owner of ARC, John suggested I bridge across the burned area by soldering in a jumper wire, which I did. But apparently I did more damage than I thought because the thing is still kaput!
John is sending me a new relay and fuse panes to replace the damaged one. He is good people and a pleasure to deal with!
Anyway with the switching thing on the outs, time to switch to something else. That something will be body work
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:20:46 PM
Dr. Yeng fender company somewhat close copy of a real Dodge fender came with some dents pre-installed at the factory...Thanks Dr. Yeng!

I covered one with the snorkel, cut another out with the louver installation, but have to fix this one right up front:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:22:04 PM
It got a shallow skim coat of plastic body filler which should sand out to make that bump all good once again!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:23:40 PM
Next up is the stock right fender repair

I pulled the old rear anti lock brake computer out. It will not be reused
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:24:32 PM
Then I cut out the bad spot in the fender
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:25:56 PM
That was it! Nothing more just one small area which had this reinforceing panel behind it. Dr Yeng chinamans fender company has no such piece
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:28:02 PM
That one spot was it...nothing more. That's nothing more than a quick cleanup and undercoat away from being finished!

The affected area was cleaned and a patch cut from a piece of 14 gage
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:29:39 PM
And that got welded into place from the back side
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:31:23 PM
Then ground flat on the front and covered with body filler
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
Then the fender got sanded while I worked in the body filler
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:34:21 PM
Next up, I worked the filler on the snorkel, finishing the contours and getting that piece ready for coating
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:36:02 PM
After a final sanding with 120 grit it was chemically cleaned and readied for coating with the Predator Urethane bed coating
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:37:34 PM
I sprayed a pretty heavy coat of that stuff onto the snorkel essentially finishing it and making it ready to install
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:38:20 PM
And that's a wrap for build day 234!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: wilsonphil on March 30, 2015, 09:42:35 PM
Next up is the stock right fender repair

I pulled the old rear anti lock brake computer out. It will not be reused

That is not RWAL computer!  Wish you were closer I could of given you a nice set of fenders for your project, nice thing about out west is the sheetmetal is not worth anything.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:47:59 PM
Next up is the stock right fender repair

I pulled the old rear anti lock brake computer out. It will not be reused

That is not RWAL computer!  Wish you were closer I could of given you a nice set of fenders for your project, nice thing about out west is the sheetmetal is not worth anything.
Phil,
What is it then?

The wiring harness for the RWAL went right to it...
Take another look at it. I am holding the computer and the large mounting bracket.

Do you need that thing?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on March 30, 2015, 09:57:45 PM
Check you're messages Don!! I explained it there.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: wilsonphil on March 30, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Next up is the stock right fender repair

I pulled the old rear anti lock brake computer out. It will not be reused

That is not RWAL computer!  Wish you were closer I could of given you a nice set of fenders for your project, nice thing about out west is the sheetmetal is not worth anything.
Phil,
What is it then?

The wiring harness for the RWAL went right to it...
Take another look at it. I am holding the computer and the large mounting bracket.

Do you need that thing?

Don,  the picture you show you are holding the Engine computer (ECM)  the RWAL box was/is behind the glove box much smaller black box.  Yes I am interested in the computer do you have the number off the computer and was your truck an automatic?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 07:58:03 AM
Yea, Ken squared me away
Good news is it is an automatic and you can get it

Bad news is...well, remember me stripping all those wires out of the harness...?

Yep...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: wilsonphil on March 31, 2015, 08:46:54 AM
Ill send you a PM.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:29:33 PM
OK, time for build day 235, so here goes

First the snorkel turned out fine and sturdy. And I know this because as I pulled it off the hangers I dropped it marring the finish but proving it can take a lickin' and keep on being a snorkel, or something like that

Here it is, scratches, gouges and everything:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
While still waiting for the switch panel to get here and continue with the wiring thing, I am pushing ahead with the final body work.
Today the project was to get as far ahead as I could on the hood

I'll be mounting these louver panels and opening the hood beneath them to evacuate more heated air from the engine and specifically, the turbo.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
After some measuring and sorting, this turns out to be the best possible spot to mount the central heat extractors
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:35:54 PM
Another single unit went just outboard and a bit aft of the turbo. Now this vent and the one in the right fender will both work to ventilate the hot side of the Cummins
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:38:21 PM
Not symmetrical you say?

Yep sure isn't

Moving on, next the holes were enlarged to 9/32" and then the area was sanded down almost to the metal. That rust changer stuff is like stellar matter. So dense it acts like a form of lubricant for my flap grinder wheel!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:40:25 PM
Then the Marsen thread-serts were placed and pressed into their clamped position leaving me a nice #10 X 24 hole for some stainless screws
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:41:57 PM
And here is the job finished:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
This is the area which will be cut out to make those louvers functional:
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
ANd here is the hood with the matching holes
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:46:55 PM
After some painting on the hood underside, this dynamat hood pad will be installed
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
This decal is about to go bye-bye, so I thought I'd post a pic of it for future reference
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
This pic hangs on my wall. That's me inside, driving my pristine 1970 Boss 302 Mustang I used to own. It was the actual NHRA G-Stock world record holder for a time, set somewhere in Oklahoma, I believe by the original owner, an Army Captain. I bought it from him and restored it to the condition you see it in here. Those things were darned fast for what they were. That car actually posted a 12.06!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
OK, that's all for now, will get right back on it in the morrow!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on March 31, 2015, 11:27:35 PM
I see flashes of things to come for me here, nice work.

I know your going to surprise us and start this thing one day, around build day 301.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 07:43:28 AM
I see flashes of things to come for me here, nice work.

I know your going to surprise us and start this thing one day, around build day 301.
Oh yea, start it...forgot about that

Have some things to get done first...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 01, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
This pic hangs on my wall. That's me inside, driving my pristine 1970 Boss 302 Mustang I used to own. It was the actual NHRA G-Stock world record holder for a time, set somewhere in Oklahoma, I believe by the original owner, an Army Captain. I bought it from him and restored it to the condition you see it in here. Those things were darned fast for what they were. That car actually posted a 12.06!

Was that pic taken on-post at Campbell?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 09:04:25 AM
Car show at Hawkins-Corlew Chevrolet in Clarksville.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 01, 2015, 11:04:59 AM
Quote
Have some things to get done first...

Like a fluid change,,,,,,,,,,,

Those buildings do look like barracks.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on April 01, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
No major modifications to the Dodge Don.  Just the lift and front bumper, with of course, LED light bar....


Now the jeep, it is undergoing new gears, new front locker, rebuild on rear locker, new ball joints, new axle seals, and a fueling issue that needs dealt with.  Hope to get it back in the next day or two...

But nothing that's as interesting as what you have going on here...   ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on April 01, 2015, 04:00:26 PM
Hey Ash, remember when we used to have fun messing up Don's build threads with a bunch of Dot stuff.......(actually it was you and Shawn)....but anywho, I don't think he's awake right now if you wanna go for it!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on April 01, 2015, 07:41:52 PM
JR, those are too nice for barracks on an army base.  the pretty boy chair farce would have something like that.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on April 01, 2015, 07:44:34 PM
what is this DOT activity that you speak of ken?!

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on April 01, 2015, 07:45:11 PM
you wouldn't be talking about this would you?

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on April 01, 2015, 07:45:35 PM
or would it be this?

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on April 01, 2015, 09:21:32 PM
Haha. At least one partner in crime....and he still hasn't tried to stop us.
When do old people wake from their all day naps Nate, I mean, not that you would know. :)

As moderators...urrr...I mean Super Global Moderators/Kings of the forum, are we supposed to be a bit more mature than the average member or officer?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 01, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
JR, those are too nice for barracks on an army base.  the pretty boy chair farce would have something like that.

Actually, those look about right when I was on the bases, mostly Marine.

I remember driving those fork lift things back in the 80's. Was fun getting em up on 2 wheels or moving someones car around.

Maybe Don's doing a fluid change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on April 01, 2015, 09:35:28 PM
Or he's cooking some toast and plans on sharing the recipe in "what's for dinner".
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:08:50 PM
What the heck!

Look at the mess you yokles just made on my BUILD thread!

Both of ya are banned!

There, that ought to fix em'

Well, forgot how to ban folks

guess I'll have to let em go for awhile


So while my thread was getting worked over like a freshly painted rail car by a group of aspiring criminal wanna-be's, I was working part of my posterior off on Square D

Starting with this fender:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:10:10 PM
After sanding it, I coated the rusted areas and applied several pieces of dynamat which will keep resonance to a minimum and help quiet that corn grinder of an engine
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:11:45 PM
Taking a moment on my GSOTFI (Get stuff off the floor initiative) I stored almost three quarts of synthetic 75W90 inside the rebuilt transfer case
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:13:14 PM
That fender then got some high quality rubberized undercoating applied to the inner surfaces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
Then it was sanded for awhile first with #60 grit, then again with 240 grit on the orbital sander
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:15:47 PM
The underside of the hood was also completely sanded, blown out several times and washed thoroughly with solvent in preparation for painting
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:18:14 PM
The new heat barrier and noise absorbing hood mat is straightening compliments of the first bright sunny, warm day we have had. This mat is about 1/2-3/4" thick foam with a Mylar reflective barrier much the same as a space blanket
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:19:50 PM
I finished all the body work with the exception of the hood top side. Here the factory installed dent is all but gone
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:21:33 PM
And this fender is now sanded and ready (almost) for paint. Might happen tomorrow
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:22:41 PM
Hood underside and left fender ready for paint
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:24:45 PM
First step is the single coat of epoxy primer sealer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:26:13 PM
Then the first of three coats of synthetic enamel
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
And after the third and final coat of paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 01, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
And that right there was another solid 7 hours of work and the completion of build day 236
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on April 01, 2015, 11:17:37 PM
Hey Ash, remember when we used to have fun messing up Don's build threads with a bunch of Dot stuff.......(actually it was you and Shawn)....but anywho, I don't think he's awake right now if you wanna go for it!
And then I think there was also the weather reports...

I'll play weatherman. It's still winter here.
Current conditions,SNOW, 7F , wind chill -13F.
Wind NE @20 mph gusting to 30 mph.
Down right blizzard like on the lake tonight.
And yes still on the snowmobile to the cabin.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 02, 2015, 08:33:45 AM
Hey Ash, remember when we used to have fun messing up Don's build threads with a bunch of Dot stuff.......(actually it was you and Shawn)....but anywho, I don't think he's awake right now if you wanna go for it!
And then I think there was also the weather reports...

I'll play weatherman. It's still winter here.
Current conditions,SNOW, 7F , wind chill -13F.
Wind NE @20 mph gusting to 30 mph.
Down right blizzard like on the lake tonight.
And yes still on the snowmobile to the cabin.

OK, first of all, you're banned for messin up my stuff!

If I could just figure out how to do that ;-))

Holy smokes bro, that is deep freeze cold you have going on there! When does it finally warm up?? August??
Hat's off to ya, you're tough!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Nate on April 02, 2015, 09:25:35 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on April 02, 2015, 08:02:03 PM
Well, spring here is not very long. We'll stay in winter until sometime late April to mid May depending on the year. 'Spring' will hang around 3-4 weeks and then into summer.
So my prediction for this year is ski-doo until near the end of April, and in the boat somewhere around May long weekend.
Soon after the snow is all done for the year and spring ends, it is then bug season, er, summer. We generally coast in the 70-80's but will hit 100 or better every now and then.
This winter lover don't do so well those days...

So now that we've junked up your build for long enough, carry on with your build.  8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 02, 2015, 09:17:54 PM
So now that we've junked up your build for long enough, carry on with your build.  8)

Naw, I quit

My thread is all junked up!

I'm discouraged and depressed!

Well, maybe not...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on April 02, 2015, 10:40:37 PM
Current temp: 78*f
High today: 86*f
Snow in inches: 0.00
Hail in inches: 0.00
Tornados touched down: 0
Parka weather in near future?: Negative

....I could keep going if you don't have any truck stuff to post up. :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 03, 2015, 12:06:39 AM
Current temp: 78*f
High today: 86*f
Snow in inches: 0.00
Hail in inches: 0.00
Tornados touched down: 0
Parka weather in near future?: Negative

....I could keep going if you don't have any truck stuff to post up. :)

We had the same yesterday, well close just 84*
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 03, 2015, 12:58:35 AM
Lucky bums... I got tomorrow off to myself and am planning to work on my truck, and I'll be danged if it's not forecast to rain.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on April 03, 2015, 07:49:53 AM
Looks great Don.... what kind of epoxy primer are you using?  I am dreading the body work stage of our build.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 03, 2015, 09:22:56 AM
Looks great Don.... what kind of epoxy primer are you using?  I am dreading the body work stage of our build.
Errr, the brand?? It comes in a yellow quart can and a gallon jug. Sitting at the computer right now, that mess is out in the shop. Two part epoxy that could serve as a great frame coating. Dries super hard.
It requires a larger nozzle to spray because it is so thick. The beauty of the stuff is that as it cures it levels. I noticed when I was spraying it on, I could see all sorts of sanding swirls, but after drying they were all gone.
Body work, one word: Time Consuming!  ;-)
Gud Stuff!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on April 03, 2015, 12:54:38 PM
Regardless of my avoidance, at some point in the very near future I will need to address painting the cabs bottom and firewall. Unless I can con my wife into doing it LoL
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Sammconn on April 03, 2015, 02:46:14 PM
Current temp: 78*f
High today: 86*f
Snow in inches: 0.00
Hail in inches: 0.00
Tornados touched down: 0
Parka weather in near future?: Negative

....I could keep going if you don't have any truck stuff to post up. :)

Current temp: -17
Forcast high: -4
Tornadoes...what's that? Well I know, but never here!
Still sitting on up to a couple feet of snow however.
And yes still parka-ish weather. Sweater or light coat for sure. We've had a cold winter so this is actually fairly nice.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 03, 2015, 06:26:41 PM
Well after all day of first installing the new relay circuit board, I somehow managed to fry that one too!
Then while trying to test it to see what I did wrong, I fried it a bit more. It was smoking so it finally occurred to me that when I pulled the ribbon cable through the bodywork, I managed to ground it out somewhere.

So that cost me some time, some frustration and some work. I went back to the old panel, the first one I fried and called John, the owner of ARC Hotrod controls. He is a great guy, and very patient. He offered again to replace the panel, but I am just not going to do that to the man. If I need a repair, I'll pay for it since it was my fault this all happened.

We dug into the schematic and finally came up with a plan to solder in a jumper wire to bridge anything that potentially could go wrong. That worked when used with the new supplied ribbon cable. Finally everything switches on and off again like it should. As per John's recommendation I rewired part of the relay panel and ran a wire from an ignition hot source, so now everything turns on when the key is on and off when the truck is shut off. Before I could have walked away with two silent fuel pumps running all night!

So that is done and that cost me the whole work day, with no time to get the right fender and rest of the hood painted so I can actually put most of the rest of the body back together.
Maybe, I'll have time for it this coming week...

I took some pics, but I'll wait until I get some more done before posting
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2015, 07:29:45 PM
I originally posted this on the wrong thread...I'm losin' it!


And I am getting a little bit done with great emphasis on the concept of "Little"

Yesterday it took me the best part of the work morning to early afternoon to get the Skag Cheetah zero turn all tuned for another season. It took pressure washing until the county ran out of water, then spark plugs, oil and filter change...Valvoline synthetic blend this annum, sharpening of the blades and that D@&^$!! greasing of everything.

Skag has a special department for lubrication. In there works a dissatisfied, disgruntled, mal-adjusted, introvert who practices sadism in the execution of his trade. His whole contribution to the Cheetah mower is to determine exactly how to place the grease fittings so that they inflict the maximum pain to anyone performing mandatory services, while still remaining impossible to get to! He is a very successful individual!

So I usually look at tuning the Cheetah as two separate steps:

Step 1: Pressure wash the undercarriage. remove all the sticks and leaves, pressure wash the top side, clean the air filters, clean the engine, scrub all the rubber, Coat the rubber with preservative, lubricate the cables, lubricate the linkages, clean out the belt area, change the belts if necessary, change or top the fuel, change the oil and filter, spot paint the rust spots, touch up the exhaust, check and adjust tire pressure, adjust the carburetor, clean the battery terminals, add water to the battery

Step 2: Grease the spindles

Most of the time I can actually get step 2 done quicker than step 1! (But not yesterday, you see sore knees slowed me down slightly, so step 1 was quicker)

Well with that, I had to service the pressure washer. Remember the first axiom of work: That if one wants to work, then you will have to work on something just to be able to work, or "Work begat work" or You have to work to be able to work!

So I did that

The good news is that I covered the Toureg and the Silverado with nasty leaves and mud so they will be lookin' good for the drive to church this morning!

Then there is the mandatory bed edging that precedes the spreading of mulch. Again, reference work axiom #1.

Then being Easter weekend, that meant I had to participate in an Easter egg hunt. But to do that I first had to clean up. Thinking about it, I guess the first axiom of work applies to social activities as well, hmmm....Might be on to something here...

Then after that, there are fourteen thousand candy wrappers to pick up and most of them are under the chairs and sofas where again I come to realize once again that I still have knees, and they still hurt!

But, nirvana...I did get the hood pad all glued down and prudy. It was all shiny looking so I got to check my look in the mirror like foil. Oddly, I'd have to say that I got a little better lookin'! Just down from the left corner of my lips and back about an inch was an area which actually was a little better lookin!

OK, back to my quoffee...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 05, 2015, 10:04:44 PM
So I guess my answer is over there too.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:41:51 AM
So I guess my answer is over there too.
No I deleted it along with mine
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 06, 2015, 12:28:24 PM
So I guess my answer is over there too.
No I deleted it along with mine

Hmm, I'm being censored. Sounds like 1984,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Armalite on April 06, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
A whole lotta talk happening...  Not alotta work....

Wash off that mower after every use, then when you get ready to mow again, it's already cleaned up and agile.  No down time getting ready to mow...

just curious as to what this moving button did.....
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:33:41 PM
^^^ Ash discovered something new on the site. I didn't know we could do that!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 06, 2015, 08:37:57 PM
OOOOOO,,,,,,Skeet shooting!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
There's definitely been a lot of work going on, just that most of it involves dirt at the moment.

But we have movement on SquareD!

I got the relay and switch panel in from John, owner of ARC electronics. He is a great guy to work with. Very laid back and interested in solving your problems. I had shorted out his switch panel by mistake so he sent me a new one. I then proceeded to short that one out in the first 30 minutes I had it! So I soldered jumper wires in and made all that better. It produced this fully operational battle station, err, I mean switch panel.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
The CB Radio is showing life for the very first time

The wiring continues to grow, although I'm trying to keep it all as organized as I can
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:42:03 PM
Oh, and I'm not done with that CB mount. I think I'll do something with that and incorporate a laptop as well!
That will be down the road some.

So here is that under hood pad which has a sticky side and applies directly to the underhood surface
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:43:30 PM
I wanted to have an under hood light, and I just happened to be looking at that LED flood/work light that Lowes sells...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
So, I thought I'd mount it to the underside of the hood with a bunch of extra cord so I could use it to look over the engine and things in the dark

I found a spot where it could mount and have clearance when the hood is closed
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:46:50 PM
I had a few tasty screwdrivers and pliers out and I was working in the garage opposite the main one...And that's when I spied this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
That red dog aside from a fully armed A-10 is the most destructive thing I can name. And I did name it: Red Dog. Simple, to the point...

The dog was contemplating suicide (Suicide: The act of stealing a screwdriver while I am nearby with a loaded rifle) However managed to control its lustful desires and survive another day!

The light mounted in there just like butterscotch candy in a cellophane wrapper
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 06, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
I am using those lights in the garage now, they are great. Much better than the 2x2 florescents!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:52:22 PM
And here she is all finished and ready to get meated up by that healthy Cummins it will be "hanging out" nearby!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
I liked that installation so much and I had momentum on my side so I glued a second one up in a corner of the topper:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:54:49 PM
I am using those lights in the garage now, they are great. Much better than the 2x2 florescents!!
Credit given where credit is due

Folks, JR is the guy who first showed me these lights...Now look at what I've gone and done with em'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:56:20 PM
I had a goal of getting the painted and completed fender at least hanging on the truck today, so with that in mind, I painted the louver:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 08:59:52 PM
Yea, I know...runs in the paint. It's on the inside, so I let it be!

Since the wiring harnesses are being created all over the place, I decided it might be a good time to get some more stuff installed that involves wiring. Here I'm testing one of the solar panels Ash sent me some time ago. It's making good power. Not enough to arc weld with, mind you, but enough to provide a trickle charge for the aft deep cycle battery
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:01:25 PM
Covering up the cells definitely affects output!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:03:31 PM
I think these are 100 watt panels, so I'll use one as a trickle charger.

I added 4 new feet and some new wiring
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:04:38 PM
Cleaned it up and mounted it to the roof of the topper
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:06:56 PM
I cut out the hood openings which were covered over with the hood underside pad. I think I'll finish these ducts with some of that aluminum HVAC Duct tape before I screw down the louver panels
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
The factory Dodge fenders had this reinforcing panel which I cleaned up, undercoated, and bolted home onto the repaired fender
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:11:10 PM
I hung the fender then started the lengthy process of getting it to align and fitted properly. I did not have enough time to get that done so it still looks "Roughed-in" instead of fitting properly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
This might be a problem area. I might just saw off that fender below the marker light and end this issue immediately!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:16:56 PM
Looks like pretty good access to the power steering filter for future servicing, I'll take it!

Here's the louver panel drying and colored green. I had half a thought to paint it flat black, but I couldn't think of a good reason for doing it other than for show, and this truck is not for show!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:17:44 PM
First time in a long time, I am having sheet metal all the way down the side from front to rear!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
And that right there boyz and girlies is the end of a tiring build day 237.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on April 06, 2015, 10:39:39 PM
Looks like you got plenty done.... I spent the day on my Exmark shortening the grass on 7 acres and change. Good news is, the spring cleanup of the lawn is done, so I can take the bagger off now.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 10:56:18 PM
Looks like you got plenty done.... I spent the day on my Exmark shortening the grass on 7 acres and change. Good news is, the spring cleanup of the lawn is done, so I can take the bagger off now.

Norm,
You have played with these old trucks more than I, what do you say about the front tire fender clearance? Moving the axle forward has certainly eliminated the tire to rear part of the fender clearance issue, but the front is looking suspiciously close to me.
What say ye, trim or hold it to the stock dimensions?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on April 06, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
It's going to hit.  Even with the axle in the stock location and 4" of lift, a 35" tire will hit that front corner. Usually I rim mine under the marker lights... then wrap the front bumper around the corner to make it look cleaner. Wish I had a pic.....
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2015, 11:19:55 PM
It's going to hit.  Even with the axle in the stock location and 4" of lift, a 35" tire will hit that front corner. Usually I rim mine under the marker lights... then wrap the front bumper around the corner to make it look cleaner. Wish I had a pic.....

Well, no worries, that's exactly what I was going to do. Since I might be painting the other fender tomorrow, it is the right time to trim away. I'll cut them both. I was going to bring the bumper around anyway...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 07, 2015, 12:16:27 AM
Nice work as the norm, not the "Norm".

Not looking for any credit on the lights. Found by chance and simply passed on the info. They work great and the AC/DC option is a bonus.

As for the panels you can't beat the price. But for anyone looking for them get "mono" panels (more eff in diff light settings) and you can get stick on panels now to stick right on the roof and are flexible. I will use those on the Sub for sure!!

Don, you will have to do youtube vid when you first start SD, just seems fair after all this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: cruizng on April 07, 2015, 08:31:27 AM
There's definitely been a lot of work going on, just that most of it involves dirt at the moment.

But we have movement on SquareD!

I got the relay and switch panel in from John, owner of ARC electronics. He is a great guy to work with. Very laid back and interested in solving your problems. I had shorted out his switch panel by mistake so he sent me a new one. I then proceeded to short that one out in the first 30 minutes I had it! So I soldered jumper wires in and made all that better. It produced this fully operational battle station, err, I mean switch panel.

Don, Great progress! You do have quite the assortment of switches! but you did miss one:


Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on April 07, 2015, 10:46:13 AM
You putting a voltage controller in, to knock down the voltage?

http://www.amazon.com/HQRP-Charge-Controller-Regulator-Indicator/dp/B002GJ456S

 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2015, 10:58:37 AM
Yes, I already have one.

You will see it with the emergence of the aft electrical panel going in the inside of the bed
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on April 07, 2015, 12:23:05 PM
Don.... could you do me a favor when you get a chance.... and measure from the top of your front axles spring plate (centered) to the frame?  I'd sure appreciate it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2015, 03:29:57 PM
Don.... could you do me a favor when you get a chance.... and measure from the top of your front axles spring plate (centered) to the frame?  I'd sure appreciate it.

OK Norm

Just got myself all dusty for ya

Measuring from the center top side of the spring plate straight north to the bottom of the frame I get these measurements:

L  13"        R   8"







Naw, just kiddin'



L  9"         R 9 1/16"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: KensAuto on April 07, 2015, 04:31:34 PM
Oh my goodness, it's a 1/16" off!! the world will end !! can you imagine how much lower the left side will be when Don gets in the truck? oh boy :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2015, 05:13:45 PM
Oh my goodness, it's a 1/16" off!! the world will end !! can you imagine how much lower the left side will be when Don gets in the truck? oh boy :)
...And remember we thought those springs might be sagging?

Well they both look about the same to me. Slight positive arch in both of them and without adding back in the leaf I removed, which I plan to do
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on April 07, 2015, 08:42:18 PM
Thanks Don that helps me considerably. Our Ramcharger measures 7.5" at the same place. That's with 12 year old Alcan 4" custom springs. They measured 8.1" with the big block gasser when new 200K miles ago.

You have Jim's 2" drop hanger and longer shackles correct?



Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2015, 09:07:48 PM
Thanks Don that helps me considerably. Our Ramcharger measures 7.5" at the same place. That's with 12 year old Alcan 4" custom springs. They measured 8.1" with the big block gasser when new 200K miles ago.

You have Jim's 2" drop hanger and longer shackles correct?




I am using the 2" drop hangar because that is all he has I believe. As for the shackles, He sent me like 4 different sets of which two were designed with the improper lengths according to Jim. So, I can't actually say with certainty if the shackles are longer, I think they may be near stock length.
I measured them center of bolt to center of bolt. They are 5.5" and I have others 1" shorter.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: OldKooT on April 07, 2015, 09:30:26 PM
Thanks Don you have gave me something to ponder while staring at the bare frame and wondering what to do next LoL We have a week of rain forecast....no farming will be done...so I should build something.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2015, 09:45:11 PM
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Thanks Don you have gave me something to ponder while staring at the bare frame and wondering what to do next LoL We have a week of rain forecast....no farming will be done...so I should build something.


But remember you said this thing would be done by June!

I want to work on mine something fierce, but something has come up which will slow me up for a bit...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 08, 2015, 06:55:28 AM
A whole lotta talk happening...  Not alotta work....

Wash off that mower after every use, then when you get ready to mow again, it's already cleaned up and agile.  No down time getting ready to mow...

just curious as to what this moving button did.....

Now that's cool.  Does it still move within a quote?  Let's seeā€¦

It does!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 08, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Can you people believe what just happened to my respectable build thread

Ah the forces that strive to turn all my good work into some mindless chat thread...

And of all people...Ash....

I think I'll ban Shawn as punishment! ;-))
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
Square D build continued on Part 6...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
Post by: JR on April 09, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
What is this, no link!!!!

http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=900.0
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