REAL MAN TRUCKWORKS & SURVIVAL
VEHICLES, CAMPERS, and BOATS => General Vehicle Related Discussion => Topic started by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2018, 09:57:59 PM
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So the oldest Pre-Ranger is coming up on driving age
He will be needing something to drive
I have always just loved those simple Jeep XJ's with their simple squared off muscular and all business fenders and rooflines.
Leaning on the strength of the 4.0 inline 6, these things last a goodly long time
So around here they run from a low of $1,500 for a rough one up to $8995 for a beauty not far from here.
The median seems to fall between $4K and $5K
And here's the thing. I actually want one for myself as well!
THought I'd do a father son build thing, adding to each as we go.
These things OK to modify lightly and motor along with?
One thing that scares me is the front and rear diffs. They seem pretty small and I would see the things wearing 32" or 33" rubber soon after purchase. Can those diffs stand up to that?
What else can anyone tell me about what to look for in these cool old boxes?
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Limit to 32” rubber & 2-3” of lift with aftermarket fender flares. Anymore and you have to strengthen up everything, front frame rails & steering along with SYE. Baylee’s had sye and 6” of lift so we had to really strengthen up front unibody rails & run a real cross over steering. Imo it’s not worth it and with fenders and 2-3 inches of lift you can run 32’s same as she has currently.
So the other thing you will probably have to address is electronic gremlins. We’re chasing speedo & odometer issues with Baylee’s XJ
Motor & trans will still be running as rest of xj fails and falls apart.
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I think those ford f-150’s run pretty good and I know a guy selling a white one here soon
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I agree with Dave, a white F150
I’m not sure which one out of the millions for sale but definitely an f150 :popcorn:
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Shame on you two!
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Shame on you two!
No, shame on you. You started this & Dave has F150 on the brain now. So much so I think he’s secretly a Ford fan, potentially has a love affair with them. You know like Ken & H..... :popcorn:
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Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody
2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.
3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.
4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.
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You will want to avoid the dana 35 diff. most will be 8.25 Chrysler anyhow, but the easy tell is the rolled lip on the outer edge of the diff cover. d35 runs flat to the edge. A lot of the 4.0L XJ's have leaky coolant reservoirs, and some have been known to sell them for cheap because they think the head gasket is blown while in reality the res just blows steam and slow leaks when they come up to temp. simple fix and a good deal to be had if you can find them.
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My concept of the operation:
Buy two
Keep Pre-ranger's a 4.0
Do a 6.0L LS swap into mine and jazz it a bit
Save all the 4.0 parts from mine for the kiddo's.
Maybe even just swap out the entire drivetrain...I have a HPD60 front with 4.56's laying around and Duane has a nice GM take out 14 bolt with like 100 miles on it...
Turns out I also have a SAS kit for a HD Chevy which would yield up the lower part of the front suspension pdq, then just weld on spring buckets and keep the top end XJ
Turns out I even have a new crossover steering setup for the D60...
Guess I have a lot of parts laying around
So what brought me to this
And I'm still thinking about it is:
1. Pre-Ranger needs transportation
2. I would like to have a spare vehicle that is easy to drive, doesn't require tugs and a mooring horn to park.
I started looking at the new Tacoma's, TRD off road. THey have a lot to offer, and longevity for like the rest of my life, so maybe... But they are like $35K and by the time I added bumpers, lift, wheels tires/winch and some other I am another 15K into it...$50K
I buy an XJ and just build it the way I want it, into a very civilized nice but not rad driver and I am in it for half the price...And I like old better than the new jet gas tank lookin stuff.
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Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody
2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.
3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.
4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.
Bobby is correct, check frame rails on outside front end. Near track bar and steering box for cracks. We looked at 30 xj’s or so b4 we purchased Baylee’s. I’m not against buying one with a cracked frame either, easy fix with weld on pre cut steel overlays.
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Shame on you two!
No, shame on you. You started this & Dave has F150 on the brain now. So much so I think he’s secretly a Ford fan, potentially has a love affair with them. You know like Ken & H..... :popcorn:
You startin' this again with a Dave? Lost of Daves on this site, and like the F-150,s both everywhere and likely stick together
But you like to scrap, so, as you wish...
Just quit crappin' up my thread! ;-)
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Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody
2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.
3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.
4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.
Bobby is correct, check frame rails on outside front end. Near track bar and steering box for cracks. We looked at 30 xj’s or so b4 we purchased Baylee’s. I’m not against buying one with a cracked frame either, easy fix with weld on pre cut steel overlays.
OK, good advice
This is the stuff I'm lookin for!
Question: If staying with like a 265/70 or a 285-70 tire size, will the stock diffs live if just used to drive and things like driving along moderate trails (Like on my farm?)
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Kind of what I am thinking of if going with stock axles and not the full on HPD60 and LS motor thing
Even with the bigger axles, I like this stance height. This or maybe 1" higher with sway bars and GOOD shockage
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Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody
2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.
3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.
4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.
Bobby is correct, check frame rails on outside front end. Near track bar and steering box for cracks. We looked at 30 xj’s or so b4 we purchased Baylee’s. I’m not against buying one with a cracked frame either, easy fix with weld on pre cut steel overlays.
OK, good advice
This is the stuff I'm lookin for!
Question: If staying with like a 265/70 or a 285-70 tire size, will the stock diffs live if just used to drive and things like driving along moderate trails (Like on my farm?)
These grocery getters are beasts in stock form with good tires.....
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Kind of what I am thinking of if going with stock axles and not the full on HPD60 and LS motor thing
Even with the bigger axles, I like this stance height. This or maybe 1" higher with sway bars and GOOD shockage
That’s probably a 6” lift....
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you don't need a lot of lift to get decent rubber underneath. custom fenders for the win
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Kind of what I am thinking of if going with stock axles and not the full on HPD60 and LS motor thing
Even with the bigger axles, I like this stance height. This or maybe 1" higher with sway bars and GOOD shockage
That’s probably a 6” lift....
It says it has a 3.5" Rubicon express lift
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you don't need a lot of lift to get decent rubber underneath. custom fenders for the win
But, Tatter, will the diffs stay all in one big piece or become finer, smaller pieces?
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Um I have had my feelings hurt, I do not like it being suggested that I have a love crush on ford trucks. Please refrain from using such words in written or Verbal communication
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Um I have had my feelings hurt, I do not like it being suggested that I have a love crush on ford trucks. Please refrain from using such words in written or Verbal communication
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Your obsession with fords on my threads got you into this mess..... :beercheers:
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Um I have had my feelings hurt, I do not like it being suggested that I have a love crush on ford trucks. Please refrain from using such words in written or Verbal communication
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Your obsession with fords on my threads got you into this mess..... :beercheers:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Oh buddy do I have a few more
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Oh buddy do I have a few more
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Just proving what I said, secretly you have a fetish for fords..... triple F :popcorn:
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I think you might be right,
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Red first, brand second or so some would say.
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you don't need a lot of lift to get decent rubber underneath. custom fenders for the win
But, Tatter, will the diffs stay all in one big piece or become finer, smaller pieces?
Keep it simple, 33" rubber, limited slip diffs or selectable lockers instead of automatic, lock down the suspension so you don't get axle wrap and tell the pre-ranger to keep his foot off the skinny pedal when the tires come off the ground. get a 99 or older to keep the high pinion front, and the 8.25 will handle it just fine.
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Don, you know those inline 4.)'s can be built with wicked HP......
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Why do you gotta poke the bear Shawn?
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Why do you gotta poke the bear Shawn?
The result is inevitable despite my comments, you realize he doesn’t listen to any of us......
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Truth^^^
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Don, you know those inline 4.)'s can be built with wicked HP......
I'm listening...
Like the sound of a cammed LS motor
But also thought of turbo'in up the little 4.0 as well...
Talk to me goose!
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This site is full of skeptics!
I'll show ya...
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Had another thought. I drove Baylee’s xj last night, went to put some fuel in it for her. For the record 6 foot 3 Shawn hit his head getting in it. You might wanna check that out before buying one for yourself.
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Had another thought. I drove Baylee’s xj last night, went to put some fuel in it for her. For the record 6 foot 3 Shawn hit his head getting in it. You might wanna check that out before buying one for yourself.
I remember them as being a bit cramped for we big guys
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Had another thought. I drove Baylee’s xj last night, went to put some fuel in it for her. For the record 6 foot 3 Shawn hit his head getting in it. You might wanna check that out before buying one for yourself.
I remember them as being a bit cramped for we big guys
It's great for Baylee who is 5'4" and her knucklehead BF who is 6 foot 3 and I am told hits his head too which I am fine with currently. I did see a mod where you can cut the seat frame / slider and lower the seat several inches. If I had to daily drive one this would be the first mod.....
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Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)
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Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)
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You sayin' Shawn isn't smart enough to duck?
;-)
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Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)
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Listen, it’s awkward best I can tell you. On a lifted xj you’re trying to toss your leg / butt up & duck as you move sideways. I realize you’re probably pretty agile dealing with all of H’s stumbling but I’m trying to look out for ol Don here.....
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Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)
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Listen, it’s awkward best I can tell you. On a lifted xj you’re trying to toss your leg / butt up & duck as you move sideways. I realize you’re probably pretty agile dealing with all of H’s stumbling but I’m trying to look out for ol Don here.....
I got cha!
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So, I continue to look
Vehicles I am investigating at the moment:
2000, 38,000 miles stock $7995
1998 194,000 Engine rebuilt into a 4.6 stroker, lifted, wheels tires, F/R smittybuilt bumpers, winch CB radio, exhaust, nice, $5,900
2000 104,000 3.5" lift, bilsteins, wheels/tires, F bumper, borla exhaust, roof rack, very nice, $8,800
2000 140,000 stock, nice, $4,990
1999, 98,000 stock, ziebart rust treatment since new, local $2,900
I am still looking at a purchase of two jeeps. One for me, one for one of the pre-rangers...To be a father/son build project thing and family off roading adventure thing.
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Without looking at them thoroughly, I’d buy the last one. It would go for $5k or higher out here btw
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Without looking at them thoroughly, I’d buy the last one. It would go for $5k or higher out here btw
Roger that
However
Another one just popped up. Really nice and 104K miles. Already lifted tires wheels bumper, rack and well, well maintained, but spendy...
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So the latter one has a chrysler 8.25 rear axle and a Dana 35 front
Good...bad??
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So the latter one has a chrysler 8.25 rear axle and a Dana 35 front
Good...bad??
Good, believe that front is RR too...
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So the latter one has a chrysler 8.25 rear axle and a Dana 35 front
Good...bad??
Good, believe that front is RR too...
Great news!
So this XJ I am looking at presently has 31 10.50 tires and on a 3.5" lift looks great. I'm thinking I'd stay around a 31" or possibly a 32" tire if I went to a 4.5" lift instead which I more perfer
If I had to do it myself, I'd do a long arm suspension on a 4"-5" lift and keep that look/ride height
Is that tire size good for those tiny diffs?
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I’m sure Tate will chime in but 32 or less and I think you’re golden. I’m sure he’ll comment on automatic lockers etc though.
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I’m sure Tate will chime in but 32 or less and I think you’re golden. I’m sure he’ll comment on automatic lockers etc though.
Chimein' in is welcomed!
ok, here is the current candidate:
1998, 104K pretty good shape, good parts
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Which is more desirable in these automatic transmission or manual?
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Which is more desirable in these automatic transmission or manual?
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Dunno, Dave
But for my likes, I'm going for an automatic
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Which is more desirable in these automatic transmission or manual?
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For most the auto is better
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Pretty clean looking Jeep, for the age.
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If I had to admit a secrete vehicle crush it has to be the two door version of these jeeps
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I've always like them
And I am really wanting a "car" to drive sometimes since I'm tired of sounding the mooring horn in my supertanker when coming about in parking lots where I don't fit anywhere
I thought of buying a new Silverado 1/2 ton, but the pollution crap and the low rider look turns me off
I thought of buying a Toyota Taco, but the engine has less than no power and it's close to $40K of my hard earned cashola which turns into 20K before you can pay the registration fees
So I was looking over old used stuff
I just don't like the JK's and wranglers in general, but I have always loved those cherokees and have owned two grand cherokees with the 4.0 engine in them, one with like 200K+ and runnin like a top!
Then when I get to thinking, if I can find a nice one reasonably priced, I might be able to build it and still have it worth a good percentage of what I paid should I ever can it
But frankly, considering my age and how I take care of things mechanically (good!) if I bought one, I'd drive it forever, no matter the mileage. Like jets, I'd just keep replacing parts and keep it running.
So yea, I want one, and another for the pre-ranger.
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BUY THE GREEN ONE. Sub 32" you'll never break an axle or damage diffs unless you're pulling out heavier vehicles in reverse and uphill. Reverse dana 30 high pinion w/ better ground clearance runs on the drive side of the ring gear teeth, 40%+ stronger than 1999+ w/ standard rotation, low pinion front diff. 8.25chy rear = mo betta butta than the m35. M35-7.562" w/ 8 ring gear bolts, 27 spline axles. 8.25chy is well, 8.25", 10 bolts, 29 spline axles. Manual is great asin/warner ax15, close ratio trans, good crawling gears. Autos are fine too, not overly complicated like the Grand Cherokees. if it doesn't already have one, get a slip yoke eliminator kit for the rear driveshaft and call it a day.
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BUY THE GREEN ONE. Sub 32" you'll never break an axle or damage diffs unless you're pulling out heavier vehicles in reverse and uphill. Reverse dana 30 high pinion w/ better ground clearance runs on the drive side of the ring gear teeth, 40%+ stronger than 1999+ w/ standard rotation, low pinion front diff. 8.25chy rear = mo betta butta than the m35. M35-7.562" w/ 8 ring gear bolts, 27 spline axles. 8.25chy is well, 8.25", 10 bolts, 29 spline axles. Manual is great asin/warner ax15, close ratio trans, good crawling gears. Autos are fine too, not overly complicated like the Grand Cherokees. if it doesn't already have one, get a slip yoke eliminator kit for the rear driveshaft and call it a day.
OK, I'll go look at the green one...TODAY!
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BUY THE GREEN ONE.
I agree.
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Can someone tell tate to type in English for the rest of us hillbillies!!
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Green one = Don painting a star on front doors in pearl white to keep the theme going!
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Green one = Don painting a star on front doors in pearl white to keep the theme going!
Noooooo!!
After the first oil change it will never run again... :popcorn:
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...I'm discouraged by your lack of confidence ;-))
Or in Vadar's immortal words,
"I find your lack of faith, disturbing."
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OK, am talking to a very nice owner of the green one. See if I can make something happen.
Meanwhile, while in Cincy today, McClusky Chevrolet had a 2001 Black XJ for sale, $7995 with 32,000 miles!
So I went to see what a low mileage example looks like
32,000 miles my second left foot!
Underneath, it had four new shocks. The straps holding the rear U-joint were new (recently replaced, as was the U-joint itself. The pinion seal was leaking, it was covered with rust and the driveshaft looked as if it may well rust in half. Up front rust everywhere and both front doors were rusted through. The paint was awful, like just remove it, no chance of repairing it. THe trans was a solid cake of grease as was the bottom of the engine.
That thing accumulated quite a bit of wear for 32,000 miles! (Or 132,000 miles, or 232,000 miles)
I told them straight up the speedometer has been turned back, it was a $2,200 Jeep best case. I started to request they reimburse me for my fuel for the drive, then I got all interested in this double cab "Alaskan Edition" 2500 HD...
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I told ya we looked at 20-30 xj’s right? Lots of junk.....
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Pics of the 3/4 ton?
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Pics of the 3/4 ton?
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...in the driveway...
:popcorn:
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You complain about parking a CC/SB duramax?
Sniff, scoff, incredulous
DD the duallly for 5 years, it’ll make that truck feel like a sports car....
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You complain about parking a CC/SB duramax?
Sniff, scoff, incredulous
DD the duallly for 5 years, it’ll make that truck feel like a sports car....
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Yea, I feel for ya!
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but my new sissy truck sure is smooooooth :wink
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but my new sissy truck sure is smooooooth :wink
How is that truck sale going ? Ya wanna help Ken move up north? You can look at land while you are there and drop the RedSled off on you way home. Catch a plane
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just need to get the windshield replaced so I can seriously start trying to sell it. When I pulled it out of the shop Monday to drive home it looked goooooood!
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That thing looks good man...and I don't even like red.
Don wants a Xj? I will trade ya one for Square D=P its rustfree...already rhino lined. Already has a small lift. Also already has a rod knock so no need to fret that becoming a problem =)
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I think that right there is a smart deal ^^^^
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That thing looks good man...and I don't even like red.
Don wants a Xj? I will trade ya one for Square D=P its rustfree...already rhino lined. Already has a small lift. Also already has a rod knock so no need to fret that becoming a problem =)
funny guy!
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I think that right there is a smart deal ^^^^
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You would!
Bonehead!
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It’s not even been in your position for almost a year now. What do you have to loose
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hilarious!
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I thought maybe I missed a new toy while I was gone.
Just missed the discussion. My boys like these things, good info on the years.
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I thought maybe I missed a new toy while I was gone.
Just missed the discussion. My boys like these things, good info on the years.
I had something going on a really nice green one nearby, but that deal seems to have fallen apart
So, I'm back to scanning the classifieds. No hurry...
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Hey Don, take a look thru the LA ads for what your looking for, some are pretty clean I plan on making a trip back that way soon.
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Lots of clean ones out here.
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Hey Don, take a look thru the LA ads for what your looking for, some are pretty clean I plan on making a trip back that way soon.
OK, wilco
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Well, the search continues.
I really liked that green one with 104K miles, but it had a 3.5" short arm lift kit already and I plan to run a long arm suspension. It had a non winch front bumper, and I'd like to run an ARB bumper. It had a mid length roof rack and I definitely need a full length rack, so although the thing looks great, I would not have value in all the parts this thing has
So I have located two for me to look at. The first has been stored for a lot of its life, so it is supposed to be rust free. The second is a Freedom model with leather seating and excellent paint, but I don't know anything of the undercarriage. I am awaiting pics. One of them has front and rear bumpers and a full size roof rack...
Could one of these possibly be the Jeep that Don buys?
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Doubt it
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As long as you get to change the fluid, all is good.
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The blue "freedom model is likely a no-go. Has a rust hole in a passenger door, but no other "Big" rust.
The "Frameish" stuff is OK, but the rear hitch, spring perches and that area are rusted fairly good.
They have an offer on it for $4800, so I will not approach that number for that truck.
I am waiting back from the owner of the other, "stored", one to see when I can drive down and look at it.
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As long as you get to change the fluid, all is good.
JR- I'd leave it bone stock
With a few exceptions:
4.7 turbocharged stroker or LS motor transplant
Frame stiffening
4.5" lift
Tires/wheels
Lockers
larger axles
Exhaust
Repaint to some color I like
Gut and redo the interior
Rack
Both bumpers
winch
armor
nore fuel
LED lights everywhere
Rock Rail
1 ton steering conversion
and a few other minor things like that
...Mostly stock
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I’m surprised you’re going to leave the gauge cluster alone and not put in military grade encrypted two way radios. :)
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^^^He doesn't need your help!!
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Given your list Don, just purchase some square and round tube and start welding....you can purchase body panels cheaper than your current plan! :facepalm:
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Given your list Don, just purchase some square and round tube and start welding....you can purchase body panels cheaper than your current plan! :facepalm:
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Sure Sean can lend a hand there,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I did bend some tube this afternoon...... :popcorn:
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^^^He doesn't need your help!!
I didn’t think he would, which is why I was confused and posted it.
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That list looks very similar to another on this forum what was it called?
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That list looks very similar to another on this forum what was it called?
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Neg Dave, he intends for this one to run.... :popcorn:
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I honestly think that was the plan for that other thing, did it get lost in weeds or did the HOA take it from him?
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It is currently serving as a well known landmark/known point for navigating in southern Florence, KY
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If I remember, I’ll post up a picture of it when I pass it on Friday. I saw it yesterday, still holding the line(in the parking lot that is).
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If I had to guess that’s probably one of the most expensive landmarks in KY......
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Is it parked in the lines at least? Can we use it as advertisement? Larger signage for the forum? Tax Write off ?
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Don't call it landmark, the crazies will tear it down!