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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #850 on: January 22, 2021, 12:02:08 AM »
Thx for the info. Looks I have another part to get when I freshen mine up,,,,,,
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« Reply #851 on: January 22, 2021, 11:34:30 AM »
best rule of thumb is 98+ GM will see these in most model applications, even 1/4 and 1/2 ton. they call it the triple lip seal.
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« Reply #852 on: January 22, 2021, 01:35:52 PM »
best rule of thumb is 98+ GM will see these in most model applications, even 1/4 and 1/2 ton. they call it the triple lip seal.

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« Reply #853 on: January 22, 2021, 01:52:16 PM »
best rule of thumb is 98+ GM will see these in most model applications, even 1/4 and 1/2 ton. they call it the triple lip seal.

Thanks for the info Tate

sorry it's a little late
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« Reply #854 on: January 22, 2021, 02:11:49 PM »
best rule of thumb is 98+ GM will see these in most model applications, even 1/4 and 1/2 ton. they call it the triple lip seal.

Thanks for the info Tate

sorry it's a little late

So basically it’s an AAM idea?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #855 on: January 22, 2021, 02:27:55 PM »
considered a "wear sleeve", 7.625 8.5 9.5 10.5 and 11.5 aam stepped in and created the concept. they've quietly changed the part number over the years, keeping the sleeves captive part numbers with GM so your only option a few years ago would have been to pull the sleeve and put the old seal on or buy a yoke, but now we have them available for most applications and it is a better design to be fair. wear out a $10 sleeve or a $180 yoke in the case of the Duramax.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #856 on: January 23, 2021, 01:09:15 PM »





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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #857 on: January 23, 2021, 01:21:56 PM »
Nice, won't break in the mall mulch, "MM" (don reference)
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« Reply #858 on: January 23, 2021, 03:27:43 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #859 on: January 24, 2021, 11:04:58 AM »
That is really cool! I will soon be the proud owner of this GLO built axle and will display it proudly beneath that lifted Suburban of mine. Thanks Shawn!
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« Reply #860 on: January 24, 2021, 11:49:59 AM »
Thank you boss
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« Reply #861 on: January 25, 2021, 01:11:40 AM »
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« Reply #862 on: January 25, 2021, 07:14:36 PM »





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This is what you're looking for folks. 50 yard line, center field, football shaped pattern. Nice work Sean. Try not to mess it up Don.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #863 on: January 25, 2021, 09:03:54 PM »





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This is what you're looking for folks. 50 yard line, center field, football shaped pattern. Nice work Sean. Try not to mess it up Don.
I think he just stuck his thumb in the wet paint to get that pattern. There's no way a hippie is that talented.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #864 on: January 25, 2021, 09:11:50 PM »
He didn't say how many times he set it up though.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #865 on: January 25, 2021, 09:27:23 PM »
Thanks Tate, you too Ken (I think  :rolleyes:). JR, I started with the stock .015 pinion shim thickness and set back lash to .010

Pinion was a tad shallow, swapped in a .010 pinion shim. Backlash then tightened up to .007 because of thinner pinion shim and I ran the pattern you see.

Quality parts make a world of difference, I only use Randy’s Ring and Pinion for my parts  :beercheers:
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« Reply #866 on: January 25, 2021, 09:29:49 PM »
They are about the easiest to work on for any rear.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #867 on: January 25, 2021, 09:34:50 PM »
They are about the easiest to work on for any rear.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #868 on: February 27, 2021, 11:41:31 PM »
OK, something just popped up.

I have vacillated back and forth forever about whether to pull the motor and install a duramax, or build a big inch LS motor and stuff more boost into it.

Just like that, a 2002 Silverado 2500 with a duramax showed up for sale. It has a built transmission, 50 over injectors in the LB7, but one is sticking. It has head studs, a new factory turbo, and a slew of other hi-po parts. This is a beat up, but driving truck. I spoke with the owner and he would sell it to me for $4500 with a title.

Would be the perfect swap donor

What do you boneheads think?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #869 on: February 28, 2021, 12:21:29 AM »
Sounds like a no brainer. All of the incidental parts for a swap are there, plus you can sell what remains and recoup some of that.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #870 on: February 28, 2021, 08:37:10 AM »
Thoughts to ponder:

- Is everything you’ve done to date, compatible with the intended change in course?
- How far back will it push your timeline for heading to WY and adventure with your family and RMTWS knuckleheads?
- In the mantra of work, begets more work, is it REALLY just a stuck/bad injector or is it more of a Democratic Stimulus bill version of “just”?

Does it make sense and fit into your intent and desires for this vehicle?  I think we all know that answer is a “yes”!  Is it within your abilities - obviously - it is, but is it doable within the timeframe, your intended budget, availability of parts AND the timeframe for farming out issues to a necessary expert should the need arise?

You know you have an eager crowd of mechanical voyeurs screaming “do it, do it!” - in the voices of Beavis & Butthead!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #871 on: February 28, 2021, 08:56:58 AM »
IF you are going to do it, buying a donor truck is THE way to go.  All the bits are there including the dash stuff you need.

Don’t take anyone’s word for what’s on the inside of a duramax. Open it up and check it over.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #872 on: February 28, 2021, 09:16:08 AM »
If 30% of the story is true and it has one of a new turbo or a decent built trans then it’s worth the $$.

Now Charles hit the nail on the head, open it up and see for yourself.

And it could wait till after the ‘Ride’ to get swapped over.
And who knows, maybe with the new gears it won’t be so bad...

Yeah who am I kidding.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #873 on: February 28, 2021, 10:03:04 AM »
If 30% of the story is true and it has one of a new turbo or a decent built trans then it’s worth the $$.

Now Charles hit the nail on the head, open it up and see for yourself.

And it could wait till after the ‘Ride’ to get swapped over.
And who knows, maybe with the new gears it won’t be so bad...

Yeah who am I kidding.
I think this ^^^ is the correct option. It runs good as is, it would do great on the trip if the time line isn’t correct

But ..... that’s pretty good price if it starts at least?


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #874 on: February 28, 2021, 10:34:35 AM »
Buy it, fix the injector, then sell it for 10, leave the suburban as is, work on the farm so we have more farm pics.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #875 on: February 28, 2021, 10:57:53 AM »
Well, first thanks for the thoughtful comments

Like always I'll disregard all of them, but it was good hearing from you all

;-))

Kiddin'

So first of all This year's Real man meet up that is currently scheduled for 29 June at Shawn's shop is on and the burb will be making the trip with a gas engine, although with the new 4.56 gears that Shawn and Tate provided.
Any drivetrain update would come after all that

And for Ken, the farm pics will be forthcoming with hopefully a barn thing and a pond V 2.0 as well.

I really see that Suburban with a factory looking Duramax sitting under the hood. I said factory looking, not factory performing. Now on one hand I didn't really want another project of this size, but the payoff with a much more powerful and useable Suburban is just so tempting. A duramax engine makes that truck a lifetime keeper that would go forever and anywhere pulling anything by nearly anybody, for any reason in any season and that's pretty a pretty good reason to do it

On the flip side the supercharged gasser is pretty well sorted, sort of
But
The gasser engine with stock internals is currently pushed t near its limits at 600-700 hp
It gets poor to poorer mileage
I DO NOT like the 4L80E with its one or two gears

On the financial side of things. I am shellin' out a bunch of coin on the new tractor, the new barn and valentines day. (The latter is an ongoing holiday process in my home which lasts approximately thirteen months each year.

If I committed to the swap I would of course, go through everything. Figure a rebuilt/updated engine/trans/transfer/torque converter, and of course the engine and transmission too. Maybe the transfer case and torque converter as well, but definitely the engine and transmission...If any of that makes any sense!

I could turn around and flip the 6.0 and supercharger, sell that 4L80E, and my new transfer case. I would have a rolling chassis of a truck to part out, and it has a set of through the bed stacks! (That is so stupid that the hillbillies really go for it.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #876 on: February 28, 2021, 11:05:52 AM »
The boys truck would be a treat with the gas motor out of the burb


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« Reply #877 on: February 28, 2021, 11:07:05 AM »
Are you going to run the stacks through the cab of the suburban?  I’m tuned in a be ready to watch. You wouldn’t have to worry about heat in the winter months, but you may need to add some extra AC.


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« Reply #878 on: February 28, 2021, 11:09:17 AM »
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Then I could buy the boys 6.0 from his truck and stick it in the blazer. OR, we could make this a lot easier, you could buy the duramax truck, I could pay you what the boys gas engine is worth, and we just stick the duramax in the blazer.  I know, I know, you’re saying the math doesn’t add up. BUT when you think about how much labor and trouble I’m saving you, you should be paying me.  ;)


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #879 on: February 28, 2021, 11:18:00 AM »
Are you going to run the stacks through the cab of the suburban?  I’m tuned in a be ready to watch. You wouldn’t have to worry about heat in the winter months, but you may need to add some extra AC.


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Imagine a cold winter's night
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #880 on: February 28, 2021, 11:19:53 AM »
The boys truck would be a treat with the gas motor out of the burb


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Then I could buy the boys 6.0 from his truck and stick it in the blazer. OR, we could make this a lot easier, you could buy the duramax truck, I could pay you what the boys gas engine is worth, and we just stick the duramax in the blazer.  I know, I know, you’re saying the math doesn’t add up. BUT when you think about how much labor and trouble I’m saving you, you should be paying me.  ;)


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #881 on: February 28, 2021, 02:47:10 PM »
Sounds like a great idea, but do the new drivetrain before you go. Will make the trip so much better! Plus I bet Shawn could setup a frontend for you and ship both, saving you time at a fair cost.

From my understanding the LB7 injectors are not that hard to do. Specially if the motors out and all. Heck that price is less than the motor would be along.

Now, whats this about a June realman meet?? That is not that far and plenty of time to plan. Is this more than just you and Shawn or more RM?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #882 on: March 01, 2021, 08:37:24 PM »
My opinion. Buy the donor (eventual) truck, take the Burb as is on the trail ride. Save up some money and time.. pull the 6.0 and sell it or transplant it in the kids truck. That'll give you space and more money to work on the diesel to swap into the Burb. You have the Duramax for most of your common usage. Get the Burb running properly and be one with it. Sitting around vacillating is only going to end up costing you more time and money.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #883 on: March 01, 2021, 10:19:43 PM »
Well I finally decided something

I decided that I can't make a decision about this burb.

So that's it, no more changes

This thing stays undecided, and that's the end of it!

Man, I wish I could remember everything I forgot I was going to do to the truck!
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Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #884 on: March 01, 2021, 10:22:34 PM »
Hmmmm...so if you’re not going to use the duramax truck......maybe a durablazer, or a K5 max?  Don’t think I would get fit going in time though.  Unless they hurry up with that stimulus deal And I add a couple more kids. ;)


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« Reply #885 on: March 01, 2021, 10:24:35 PM »
Hmmmm...so if you’re not going to use the duramax truck......maybe a durablazer, or a K5 max?  Don’t think I would get fit going in time though.  Unless they hurry up with that stimulus deal And I add a couple more kids. ;)


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It probably only has the one bad injector. You want to jump on it?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #886 on: March 02, 2021, 09:16:03 AM »
Sounds like a great idea, but do the new drivetrain before you go. Will make the trip so much better! Plus I bet Shawn could setup a frontend for you and ship both, saving you time at a fair cost.

From my understanding the LB7 injectors are not that hard to do. Specially if the motors out and all. Heck that price is less than the motor would be along.

Now, whats this about a June realman meet?? That is not that far and plenty of time to plan. Is this more than just you and Shawn or more RM?

JR, it’s the WY Trans America Trail. Anyone is welcome, week of 2 track trail riding and camping and playing with antique hammers......

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #887 on: March 03, 2021, 07:03:04 AM »
Don will be wagon training with this to get to CO



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« Reply #888 on: March 04, 2021, 12:03:35 AM »
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That actually looks like the amount of fuel I will be needing!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #889 on: March 25, 2021, 10:01:52 PM »
OK, let's get these gear swapped from the 4.88 backwards to a mo-friendlier 4.56. At fault is really the very limiting 4L80E transmixer which only has a single overdrive set at a power leaning .75 overdrive. If there were a transmission swap choice, I would have likely gone that route inlieu of having to change everything to keep the RPM's down and the mileage above 3MPG!

This time I sourced a core locally out of a 2000 Silverado 2500 for $50.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #890 on: March 25, 2021, 10:03:39 PM »
I cranked up the beast of a pressure washer, the Sthil, I purchased last summer. It made quick work of everything not welded to that axle assembly
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« Reply #891 on: March 25, 2021, 10:05:16 PM »
Next, I tore the thing down and continued cleaning the parts. I finished all that, but seemingly neglected to snap pics of my handiwork
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« Reply #892 on: March 25, 2021, 10:06:58 PM »
I created a handy bearing preload collar adjustment tool, then scooted the easy one out of the case...first daylight that thing has seen this century I'll bet.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #893 on: March 25, 2021, 10:09:23 PM »
This pinion pressed out easily. The one in the original suburban case liked to explode when it flew out of that case a couple years ago.

So the plan is to pull the races and seals and everything out of the case halves, then press in the new stuff. At that point I'll do a wire wheel polish of the case, then apply epoxy, allow that to set, then start reassembly of the rest of the parts.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #894 on: March 26, 2021, 11:12:44 PM »
Is that the 4200psi pressure washer?
Was just looking at one of those the other day. Ended up getting a chainsaw instead.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #895 on: March 27, 2021, 07:12:11 AM »
It is Ken and a 14hp engine.  Pressure washers are like RVs.  Bolted together pieces that the mfgs don’t make except for the frame of the cart.

Don, did they use a Honda engine on that?


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #896 on: March 27, 2021, 09:44:44 AM »
It is Ken and a 14hp engine.  Pressure washers are like RVs.  Bolted together pieces that the mfgs don’t make except for the frame of the cart.

Don, did they use a Honda engine on that?


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It's a Kohler. Looks to be the same one as is bolted to my chainsaw. I think you are correct gentlemen, 14 HP, and over 4,000 psi at 4.5 gallons per min. Has a larger 3/8" pressure hose. I just run it at idle to mid throttle most of the time. Seems like twice the machine as the older 3200 psi Honda powered machine.
I stepped all the way up to this machine because of the large heavy equipment I seem to have been accumulating down farm-side
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #897 on: March 27, 2021, 02:42:22 PM »
And I get accused of buying to much stuff  :rolleyes:
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #898 on: March 27, 2021, 09:44:19 PM »
What the heck just happened to my build thread?

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #899 on: March 27, 2021, 09:48:52 PM »
Hard to maintain any continuity around here with every thread turning into a chat room. I wonder how many people come onto this site and give up going through threads because of all the non-relative chatter.
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