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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #550 on: August 06, 2016, 08:28:52 AM »
Agreed^^
Carb and/or valves. Probably need to dip the carb and jets to get all of it. ...regular carb cleaner usually isn't strong enough. Seafoam  works on thin layers but can take days to get rid of buildup

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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #551 on: August 06, 2016, 08:55:35 AM »
Got this response from a query I placed over at: DRRiders, a great site to support DR-650 riders.

Makes sense, here it is:

MISSION NOT-IMPOSSIBLE:
the green is from your fuel....yep, no aliens died in there  :OMG: ......it's just the fuel
yes, you rode it through the winter, but apparently, the fuel that was in your tank sat just long enough to start to breakdown and start to clog up the joint.......and that is what is causing your problems

never mind that it worked great one ride, and the next it didn't, the backfire did not cause the problems, but it was the gummed up carb that caused the backfire, and the motorbike not running right....these are all classical conditions of a gummy carb with a still gummed up pilot-jet....CLASSIC!

yes, you did spray out your carb and do some SeaFoam soak, but that is not enough
you also need to remove the jets....ESPECIALLY THE PILOT JET....soak those jets in cleaner overnight,
then the next day, spray compressed air through every single jet and each orifice too before putting it all back together
I actually spray every jet and every hole, slide, bump, and orifice numerous times.....and I use a whole can of Gumout doing it. And only then do I go for the COMPRESSED AIR.

and sometimes, even compressed air through that pilot jet just is not enough, and buying a NEW ONE is the best answer
that pilot jet has a very small hole, and sometimes they just do not get completely clean....hey, they are cheap, so why not make absolutely certain it is completely clean before putting it all back together. Five bucks for a new jet is a lot easier than the entire time it takes to take it all apart again..... :old:

there's your modified mission, go ahead and complete it as directed and you should find your motorbike is now running in tip-top shape once again.....oh yeah, make certain that you drain out every drop of that older fuel and fill the bike with brand-new-fresh-from-the-pump-stuff when you have it all back together again

IMPORTANT SAFETY TIP: YOU MUST do a proper and complete carb clean removing those jets & blowing them out WITH THE COMPRESSED AIR.......anything short of following all of this (cheating even in the slightest) and you may find you only wasted your time

GOOD LUCK on your mission (should you decide to accept it)


Sometimes a loud pop (backfire) can be SO INTENSE that it may cause internal damage....SOMETIMES, but in this case, the first thing is to do is the complete carb clean, put in completely fresh fuel, clean the air filter, and go for a ride. If after that it still is not running right, only then is the time to start looking inside.

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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #552 on: August 06, 2016, 11:08:43 AM »
I'm curious as to what you wrote to get such an awesome response.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #553 on: August 06, 2016, 11:17:33 AM »
'Pilot' jet...

Sorry boss, couldn't resist.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #554 on: August 06, 2016, 12:26:16 PM »
Get some of this boss. I promise you that it is the only way to go. ...smaller version of what shops use.....very efficient. ...will melt plastic .(Also works well at removing paint on small projects )
Take carb completely apart, soak all metal pieces for 4-6 hours , rinse with water, blow out thoroughly,  reassemble.

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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #555 on: August 06, 2016, 12:26:36 PM »


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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #556 on: August 06, 2016, 01:18:20 PM »
Ken, I used to see a air powered cleaner that worked in a 5 gallon drum. Looked for one but have had no luck, do you know the correct name or where to get one?
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #557 on: August 06, 2016, 03:35:32 PM »
I haven't seen one of those since HS....an agitator maybe? I actually made one from an old ice cream maker, turned on it's side, that drops a slim bar down through the lid. We do probably 20 carbs a year and I must say, it works pretty good!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #558 on: August 06, 2016, 03:49:29 PM »
I was looking for one of those when I got the sonic cleaner. Seemed like a good alternative but one of those would be great.
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #559 on: August 06, 2016, 10:54:52 PM »
Fixed it!

It was the pilot jet which was clogged completely shut!

I removed everything first
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #560 on: August 06, 2016, 10:55:44 PM »
Next I pulled the bottom and then the top off
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #561 on: August 06, 2016, 10:58:29 PM »
And pulled out the jets.

This little fella, a size 22.5 was completely clogged shut!

I sprayed it for awhile with carb cleaner but couldn't break the blockage. So I probed the holes with a single brush bristle and poked through the blockage. Some more spraying and I had a hole again...A very small one
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #562 on: August 06, 2016, 11:00:03 PM »
Reassembling a carb into two rubber sleeves is not an easy task. It took some time to wiggle it into the proper position, but in the end after sacrificing enough good quality epidermis, I won the day!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #563 on: August 06, 2016, 11:03:10 PM »
The test run was just fine. I set both the air and the fuel screws exactly 2 turns out. I'm writing this here not because you give a flying hoot, but because I will undoubtedly come back to this post as a reference as to what I actually just did!

So with no time to spare, I started another project...Wrapping that tool tube with some camo vinyl I still had. Thought I ought to use it before the dog chewed it all up!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #564 on: August 06, 2016, 11:06:36 PM »
Well, that worked out OK, so I decided to wrap the muffla' as well

Now, I know what you're thinkin'

Did he fire five times, or six?

Sorry, different movie. Will that stuff melt off and make a mess. That's it, right?

Well, there has been a decal on there since new and it hasn't so much as gotten loose. All that fiberglass insulation inside, seems to do just that. Keep the heat on the inside. I've touched that can a lot over the years, and it never gets that hot, so where we go:
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #565 on: August 06, 2016, 11:08:56 PM »
That finished it and me. Starving to death and with an angry wife and two kids thinking about disowning me, I didn't really have the time to reassemble the bike, but I wanted to be done with it, so I did!

But with that big 4" tool tube, I had to create an extension for the left side cover
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #566 on: August 06, 2016, 11:10:14 PM »
And that was that with the addition of the rest of the almost dog-chewed and nearly missing balance of parts
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #567 on: August 07, 2016, 08:46:32 AM »
Looks good now go ride!


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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #568 on: August 07, 2016, 01:54:26 PM »
Looks good now go ride!


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I'll ride it tonight
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #569 on: August 07, 2016, 03:06:17 PM »

didn't want the DR to hiccup and not make it there

I'll ride it tonight

I think this is how really low budget horror films start..


So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #570 on: August 07, 2016, 08:46:06 PM »
I rode it, and it didn't leave me stranded!

Ha!
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« Reply #571 on: August 07, 2016, 09:19:35 PM »
and that my friend is minimum acceptable threshold.
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #572 on: August 08, 2016, 12:48:58 AM »
Guess that means no more Gasohol or lots of stabilizer! Looks at the marine stabilizer, supposed to be better on that junk.
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #573 on: August 09, 2016, 02:13:46 PM »
Guess that means no more Gasohol or lots of stabilizer! Looks at the marine stabilizer, supposed to be better on that junk.
OK!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #574 on: August 09, 2016, 04:48:22 PM »
My Honda mower has been through two carbs in the last 6 years with the latest being this past April. 4 months later it is already surging at idle and sounds as bad as it did before, and I only run 92 octane ethanol-free fuel in it :(  Carbs are a pain, glad you figured yours out!
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« Reply #575 on: August 09, 2016, 10:44:15 PM »
My Honda mower has been through two carbs in the last 6 years with the latest being this past April. 4 months later it is already surging at idle and sounds as bad as it did before, and I only run 92 octane ethanol-free fuel in it :(  Carbs are a pain, glad you figured yours out!
Well, now its leaking!
Yep, puddle of benzene on the garage floor and the dog refuses to lick it up!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #576 on: October 12, 2016, 11:26:22 PM »
Get this fixed or is it SQ D's long time companion?
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #577 on: October 12, 2016, 11:36:31 PM »
They are both neglected and dusty,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #578 on: October 13, 2016, 09:04:32 AM »
I guess I didn't post it...

I got it running finally with a lot of tuning, adjusting, and cleaning. I like riding it most in the fall and winter.
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #579 on: October 20, 2016, 05:08:50 PM »
So, to catch folks up, DR- 1, Don- 0

Yep...While showing off I "Over-Wheelied" and managed to drop the bike on top of me.

So, yea, I have a broken foot and lots and lots of good riding weather is passing me by.

But knowing how I managed to do that and considering I normally wear combat boots, and was only in running shoes and shorts for the big "Tim-Ber" incident, I opted to add a good set of real riding boots to my closet.

The Forma Boots are not serious MX boots, but made for Adventure riding and I'll use them on my DR and on the Triumph Tiger
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #580 on: October 20, 2016, 05:28:50 PM »
Yep, with those 2 heavywieghts and future spills will happen. Protect those feet!!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #581 on: October 20, 2016, 05:42:06 PM »
Rog!
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« Reply #582 on: October 20, 2016, 05:47:10 PM »
Nice looking boots!
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #583 on: October 20, 2016, 07:53:13 PM »
Nice boots, let me know how you like them once your foot gets back to a somewhat normal size & shape.

Funny, I guess I knew they made those just never knew anyone who spent money on them. Us farm boys always just wore our leather tall upper work boots. Plenty of spills when I was younger & never an issue out of them.
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« Reply #584 on: October 21, 2016, 12:18:43 AM »
I have these and love them


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« Reply #585 on: October 21, 2016, 07:42:40 AM »
Flip flops , wife beater, camo shorts, no helmet. What could go wrong ?


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« Reply #586 on: October 21, 2016, 08:44:28 AM »
LOL!! ;D ;D
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« Reply #587 on: October 21, 2016, 08:53:55 AM »
Flip flops , wife beater, camo shorts, no helmet. What could go wrong ?


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Nice looking boots there Don.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #588 on: October 21, 2016, 09:04:01 AM »
Flip flops , wife beater, camo shorts, no helmet. What could go wrong ?


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TRN, what are you describing here your preferred riding gear? Or was this what Big D was wearing in that ER pic his wife posted on FB?
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« Reply #589 on: October 21, 2016, 09:57:36 AM »
or both  ^^^
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« Reply #590 on: October 21, 2016, 11:37:51 AM »
Paper pants!

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« Reply #591 on: October 21, 2016, 08:29:26 PM »
Truth be told I went down on a street bike at 22 wearing shorts, a wife beater, and no helmet. The flip flops were a slight exaggeration that is a throw back to my dad getting his foot in the spokes of my cousins dirt bike back in the day. Ate most of the meat of the top of his toes.


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« Reply #592 on: August 20, 2018, 11:20:44 PM »
JR,
And question for ya
I am about to acquire one of thise 6.6 gallon Aceribus (or however you spell that name) fuel tanks
They tell me you can't paint it or put decals on it, because it seeps fumes from all over!
WHHHAAAAT?
Anyway, that is just a challenge.
I am going to paint it and decal it up with the cammo wrap
So me is thinkin' out loud
I'm thinking I spray the outer surface with an adhesion promoter first, then a primer, then a coat of paint. Perhaps even run some sort of sealant all around the inside of the tank to prevent this pesky migration of fuel molecules.
Concerns: Interior lines stuff flakes off and clogs the petcock/filter and we have sudden stoppage. Secondly, my paint and wrap falls off the tank just when and while some Harley guys are ridiculing the "Pretty Little" Jap bike...Not as a Harley owner, that I have ever done that....just sayin...
Kreme the inside of the tank.  Did that on a 30 yr old honda tank.  Fill it w/ a couple handfulls of small hex nuts with the prep and shake it around vigorously to loosen any flaky stuff.  Apply Kreme liquid primer, coat entire insides.   Kreme treatment next, pour in and tilt tank to cover everything. Let dry. Gets hard like porceline.  No more rust, etc.  Used to use this back in the 70's.  It works great.

PS: I think I finally stumbled onto the right forum after reading about this bike/truck build.  Been telling people for years about having a 4 stroke woods bike, bonoculars,fuel, food, ammo, water filters and spare parts for what you can't make. ie files, primers, springs, eye glasses. 
Falls on deaf ears here (NJ).  I'll be in TN asap.  Wifes already there.

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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #593 on: August 20, 2018, 11:42:39 PM »
Rambler, unfortunately Don sold both adventure bikes last week

Now he’s on to “adventure heavy equipment”


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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #594 on: August 20, 2018, 11:56:38 PM »
Thanks.  I just realized I answered a question from the absolute beginning of this thread.  And he had plastic tanks anyway.  I'm still going to TN!
Rambler, unfortunately Don sold both adventure bikes last week

Now he’s on to “adventure heavy equipment”


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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #595 on: August 20, 2018, 11:59:36 PM »
My in-laws live on Douglas Lake (part of TVA). They just came out for a visit and stated a lot of people are moving in from up east, places such as NJ.


On a serious note, can Don's knees handle the adventure bikes any longer?
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« Reply #596 on: August 21, 2018, 12:55:14 AM »
My in-laws live on Douglas Lake (part of TVA). They just came out for a visit and stated a lot of people are moving in from up east, places such as NJ.


On a serious note, can Don's knees handle the adventure bikes any longer?
I can't wait to get out of this state.  It's becoming another California.  That, plus the fact the new Dem. Governor here is making most of my magazines illegal in a few months.

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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #597 on: August 21, 2018, 01:09:50 AM »
I hear you Rambler, I need out of this state too. Half of what I like is illegal or going to be soon. They are even going to limit water use in a few years!

Don sold both bikes, How did I miss that? Looking at selling mine too, still a project but a runner.
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #598 on: August 21, 2018, 07:54:23 AM »
JR, Charles was ribbing Don there a bit I believe.
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Re: DR-650 Build Thread Part 1
« Reply #599 on: August 21, 2018, 08:07:56 AM »
Man, this old thread resurrected from the dead!

Yea, so after just missing that huge section of crane sitting in the slow lane of I-71, I finally admitted to myself that everytime I go out I am nearly hitting a "Road Gator" or being cut off by some lowered civic with a coffee can exhaust or some bimbo texting.

I may come back to the bike thing, dunno, but for now there is the farm which will soon crest the ridge to becoming a totally off grid self reliant place.

Heck, forget about EMP, monetary system collapse, killer virus, or zombies. These socialists are for sure going to drive a breakdown of society! I for sure just want to be anywhere they are not. I'm too old to get back to fighting in another war, although I surely would.

Anyway, bike for now is a no-go
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