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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #800 on: August 09, 2018, 11:24:21 AM »
Glad to hear that you HAD insurance.......policy under review while repairs are made and a full investigation, starting with the rolled jeep on the Tank course at Ft. Knox........Great Candy Bar Fire.......Horizontal Levitation while working on Square D.... :facepalm:

Seriously, glad you're ok and insured - heck, hide side pick-up is worth it alone!
I think you're gonna be amazed the next time you stop by the place

BRW, your camper a 30 amp plug?

I thought I'd run a couple of plug ins out for campers, one 30 and one 50amp should cover most all units me thinks.
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« Reply #801 on: August 09, 2018, 01:51:17 PM »
how many are you thinking of putting in?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #802 on: August 09, 2018, 02:09:23 PM »
how many are you thinking of putting in?
One of each near the shed and maybe the same at a different location nearby

Depends on how I add in electrical power on the off grid system

Have a very cool power generation system coming up as a cold weather project...
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« Reply #803 on: August 09, 2018, 02:42:45 PM »
Yes on 30amp plug - spending 25 days living in that camper it’s amazing that AC, Microwave and coffee pot ran on that simultaneously!
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #804 on: August 09, 2018, 04:48:47 PM »
how many are you thinking of putting in?
One of each near the shed and maybe the same at a different location nearby

Depends on how I add in electrical power on the off grid system

Have a very cool power generation system coming up as a cold weather project...

is there a spot just a little ways from that whole area that you could flatten out, drop a little gravel, run a few electrical lines and maybe some sort of a sewer tank system?  basically make a spot for campers that is just away from the main area as to not clutter it up ?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #805 on: August 09, 2018, 07:19:28 PM »
how many are you thinking of putting in?
One of each near the shed and maybe the same at a different location nearby

Depends on how I add in electrical power on the off grid system

Have a very cool power generation system coming up as a cold weather project...

is there a spot just a little ways from that whole area that you could flatten out, drop a little gravel, run a few electrical lines and maybe some sort of a sewer tank system?  basically make a spot for campers that is just away from the main area as to not clutter it up ?
Yep, sure could Nate...Watcha thinkin'?
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #806 on: August 09, 2018, 09:08:22 PM »
what I am trying to get at, is a few things.

1. have you sat down and actually sketched out exactly how you want the hide/farm/or whatever it is becoming now to be when complete?  just asking, as that's something that shouldn't be shared for the world to know.

2. I understand "YOUR" camper being where its at, because that is the only one down there and that is also serving double duty as a command center.  is it smart to have campers kind of just pulling up where ever and being scattered all over with no sort of organization?

3. here is a picture not to scale of what I was trying to propose/recommend
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #807 on: August 09, 2018, 09:46:05 PM »
Did I mention I’m pretty good with electrical.....jus sayin.  And I work cheap


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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #808 on: August 09, 2018, 11:46:11 PM »
here is a picture not to scale of what I was trying to propose/recommend



I would agree with the concept, however before you start developing a small camping site, you do need to think about pull through or back in sites. Pull throughs don't need as much road width or free movement area to get into or out of. 30 Amp sites wouldn't cost nearly as much to run power but the bigger campers would suffer in the summer as you can't run both air conditioners on 30 amps. 30 AMP needs hot, neutral, and ground where as 50 AMP needs two hot, a neutral, and a ground. 50 AMP is two 50amp circuits where 30 amp is only one30 amp so wire size would be larger with the 50's. Site size needs to be large enough to open slides on both sides of the camper and long enough to accept larger trailers/5th wheels. The road  into out of doesn't need to be level but the pads should be close to level side to side and not too far off end to end. With back in sites you would only need one road but the rigs need room to move into out of the sites. More angle means less room needed to back into the site. Younger guys there for training could get by with a tent and an outhouse, older guys like me and a few others would need the full meal deal if longer than a couple days.

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« Reply #809 on: August 10, 2018, 10:10:42 AM »
Did I mention I’m pretty good with electrical.....jus sayin.  And I work cheap


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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #810 on: August 10, 2018, 10:12:01 AM »
what I am trying to get at, is a few things.

1. have you sat down and actually sketched out exactly how you want the hide/farm/or whatever it is becoming now to be when complete?  just asking, as that's something that shouldn't be shared for the world to know.

2. I understand "YOUR" camper being where its at, because that is the only one down there and that is also serving double duty as a command center.  is it smart to have campers kind of just pulling up where ever and being scattered all over with no sort of organization?

3. here is a picture not to scale of what I was trying to propose/recommend
Nater,

I have a pretty comprehensive "Conceptual" plan

Which is not for public consumption

But ya, I want room for friends

and other things
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #811 on: August 10, 2018, 10:15:30 AM »
here is a picture not to scale of what I was trying to propose/recommend



I would agree with the concept, however before you start developing a small camping site, you do need to think about pull through or back in sites. Pull throughs don't need as much road width or free movement area to get into or out of. 30 Amp sites wouldn't cost nearly as much to run power but the bigger campers would suffer in the summer as you can't run both air conditioners on 30 amps. 30 AMP needs hot, neutral, and ground where as 50 AMP needs two hot, a neutral, and a ground. 50 AMP is two 50amp circuits where 30 amp is only one30 amp so wire size would be larger with the 50's. Site size needs to be large enough to open slides on both sides of the camper and long enough to accept larger trailers/5th wheels. The road  into out of doesn't need to be level but the pads should be close to level side to side and not too far off end to end. With back in sites you would only need one road but the rigs need room to move into out of the sites. More angle means less room needed to back into the site. Younger guys there for training could get by with a tent and an outhouse, older guys like me and a few others would need the full meal deal if longer than a couple days.
Bob, not going for anything commercial that would be used by many. More of a hitching post for you knuckleheads if we ever do anything at the farm, or a bug-out site for peeps who I would invite. In any event, fields all around or, possibility of my using one of my machines to hook to and tow camper to exact location.

I have tracked vehicles now that have no problem with either traction nor heavy weight.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #812 on: August 10, 2018, 10:44:06 AM »
what I am trying to get at, is a few things.

1. have you sat down and actually sketched out exactly how you want the hide/farm/or whatever it is becoming now to be when complete?  just asking, as that's something that shouldn't be shared for the world to know.

2. I understand "YOUR" camper being where its at, because that is the only one down there and that is also serving double duty as a command center.  is it smart to have campers kind of just pulling up where ever and being scattered all over with no sort of organization?

3. here is a picture not to scale of what I was trying to propose/recommend
Nater,

I have a pretty comprehensive "Conceptual" plan

Which is not for public consumption

But ya, I want room for friends

and other things

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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #813 on: August 10, 2018, 11:14:02 AM »
Hey Don, guess I should have known that  :facepalm: . Was thinking you might be setting up for a training school or? Poor RV site is still in my mind as I was almost trapped with no way out a couple weeks ago.

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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #814 on: August 10, 2018, 12:32:57 PM »
Just turn it into a KOA with fire pits please.  Little cabins that you can rent out.


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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #815 on: August 10, 2018, 03:26:08 PM »
Update: Kubota is down there picking up Spud to repair the damage caused by the tumbling rock
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #816 on: August 11, 2018, 12:39:40 PM »
There's been so much change there since I visited, I'm not certain of what's exactly where.  With that in mind, Nate's drawing could work inverted; but what I remembered of the lay-out, along the treeline of the outhouse is potentially more level or opposite there, uphill of the final resting place of the orange saw, stacking uphill towards the entrance road.  Uphill of the house would require step like pads cut in the hillside to level them out.  Treeline location allows a rapid slip into the woods, both sides of drive allow converging fire towards the entrance with ease.  Keeping guests/invitees away from the command post, keeps loud snoring from waking you or the Frau should that be a concern!  Raise the house and fill in the foundation, and that site would level fairly easily depending upon how you want things arranged.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #817 on: August 11, 2018, 05:32:01 PM »
So, got the CTL, "Spud" over to the Kubota dealer. It awaits parts and repairs at the moment
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #818 on: August 11, 2018, 05:33:37 PM »
So, the objective today was to pull routine maintenance on the "Road" into the place. There have been a couple trees blown down which had to be moved, some stones as well, and cutting back on the vegetation
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« Reply #819 on: August 11, 2018, 05:36:47 PM »
I no sooner got all of that cut back and cleared up that I motored back and topped off the fuel tank of the 4720. Then I started bush hogging the field adjacent to the pond construction. In a skippy second, the cutter flung a blade bringing the operation to a screamin' halt!

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« Reply #820 on: August 11, 2018, 05:39:26 PM »
Then I noticed that something had grabbed onto the safety chain retainer rod. It was mostly pulled out which caused the loss of a lot of the safety chain.

Man, can ya do anything without something breaking, falling apart, not starting, breaking down, or come up missing???
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #821 on: August 11, 2018, 05:42:34 PM »
OK, enough of all that nonsense, I figured I'd try settling into one of my chairs on the deck and take a snooze.

I am happy to report, that worked! Woke up just in time to pack it in before another thunderstorm hit.

Place is looking pretty good for the minimal maintenance it has gotten the past month
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« Reply #822 on: August 11, 2018, 05:46:43 PM »
^^^^ Hmmm, just noticed I have forgotten to paint that door trim green...

OK, so the pond just fills right back up no matter how much I dig out of it. In this pic, you can see the first level "Shelf" I am excavating that is maybe a few inches above the water line. Once that is gone back another 75 feet, I'll come back in and excavate that down another eight feet, hopefully in the dry, then bust the levee and drastically lower the water level

I need that to happen so I can dig down and plant a drain pipe to manage the water level. My hope is that the thing stays fairly topped off year round.
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« Reply #823 on: August 11, 2018, 05:57:09 PM »
Chief is a freakin Tyrannosaur!

That thing goes through dirt, clay and limestone like me eating down my second helpin' of crab cakes!
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« Reply #825 on: August 11, 2018, 07:23:54 PM »
You have a massive pile of rock wall parts started oh my gosh!!!

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« Reply #826 on: August 11, 2018, 08:31:02 PM »
Man oh man that carpet of grass looks amazing.

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« Reply #827 on: August 11, 2018, 09:31:47 PM »
Don that amazes me. You could dig to China here and never hit a rock like that.


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« Reply #828 on: August 11, 2018, 10:16:39 PM »
Up here in Kentucky it is a major crop. My fields are growing them constantly.


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« Reply #829 on: August 12, 2018, 01:54:19 AM »
Looks great Don, keep it up. Maybe a nice platform of that rock around the lip of the pond might toughen it up some?

You break things pretty consistent, have that going for you.

I have noticed that naps come very easy these days.
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« Reply #830 on: August 12, 2018, 02:24:12 PM »
You have a massive pile of rock wall parts started oh my gosh!!!

Looks good


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Sure do!

But get this, this rusty colored Limestone that comes out in the rectangular blocks is sought after by landscapers. They pay from a hundred up to and over $500 for a single piece!
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #831 on: August 12, 2018, 02:29:13 PM »
Looks great Don, keep it up. Maybe a nice platform of that rock around the lip of the pond might toughen it up some?

You break things pretty consistent, have that going for you.

I have noticed that naps come very easy these days.
I was thinking of using them JR

I thought once I excavated the general size and shape of the pond, I'd go down a foot or two and dig a three foot wide shelf around the thing, then stack these boulders on top to make it appear as though there is a rocky hole instead of a traditional pond. I plan to throw Koi in this pond which I plan to breed and sell some day. The rocky nooks and crannies are good for the fry

I used to do Koi. Had tens of thousands of dollars of them. Some getting on 30" length and brilliant colors. I learned the business, and took note that there are no notable American breeders who breed the expensive Japanese, Chinese and Korean koi. One pair can create a hundred or more a year of which maybe 25-50 make it to being 8" long in two years. THose 8" fish would wholesale from $50 to $100 ea...
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« Reply #832 on: August 12, 2018, 02:29:47 PM »
Up here in Kentucky it is a major crop. My fields are growing them constantly.


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« Reply #833 on: August 12, 2018, 02:31:55 PM »
Hey, if anyone has a need for a special mantle or wood beam or decorative something like that, contact me as I will soon be sellin' them or maybe givin' them away.

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« Reply #834 on: August 12, 2018, 03:06:02 PM »
All those rocks along the top of the pond will give the heron and other fish eating birds a place to stand. I tried fish in our small waterfall pond and the birds kept the fish sellers in business. I managed to relocate a couple heron but the neighbor and sheriff decided I wouldn't be shooting any more of them.

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I would be interested in a log beam for a mantel.    Let’s talk


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« Reply #836 on: August 12, 2018, 03:59:54 PM »
All those rocks along the top of the pond will give the heron and other fish eating birds a place to stand. I tried fish in our small waterfall pond and the birds kept the fish sellers in business. I managed to relocate a couple heron but the neighbor and sheriff decided I wouldn't be shooting any more of them.

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I would be interested in a log beam for a mantel.    Let’s talk


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« Reply #838 on: August 12, 2018, 04:49:45 PM »
All those rocks along the top of the pond will give the heron and other fish eating birds a place to stand. I tried fish in our small waterfall pond and the birds kept the fish sellers in business. I managed to relocate a couple heron but the neighbor and sheriff decided I wouldn't be shooting any more of them.
Now, I have had several outdoor Koi ponds in the past. The secret to defeating the blue heron is to create vertical pond walls where they cannot get purchase like in a sloping bank arrangement. If they stand on the top rock, then they can't arch over to pick at the fish. Same with Racoons, makes it tougher on them. but then again Scout GSD's makes it hard on coons too!
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« Reply #839 on: August 12, 2018, 06:09:37 PM »

That is true Don if the pond is deep enough and the fish stay out of the top water. My pond area is a composite stock trough maybe 2.5ft deep and the heron stood at the top and picked off the fish when they came toward the surface. 


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« Reply #840 on: August 12, 2018, 10:36:24 PM »

That is true Don if the pond is deep enough and the fish stay out of the top water. My pond area is a composite stock trough maybe 2.5ft deep and the heron stood at the top and picked off the fish when they came toward the surface. 


Copy that Bob
I am no expert on the blue heron species, except that a .22 will put the smack down on em in a quick minute! Errrr, I heard that was the case...

Of my outdoor ponds I made one 8 feet deep. A blue Heron during his brief lifespan started visiting, but the Koi always stayed deep. Good for their safety, but not so good for the koi owner who actually wanted to see the fish every once in awhile.

The farm pond will mostly be 3-5 feet deep with a deep sump going down 10-12 feet
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #841 on: August 12, 2018, 10:40:12 PM »
Don can you get a photo of said logs you are looking to possibly part with.   


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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #842 on: August 12, 2018, 10:46:31 PM »
Don can you get a photo of said logs you are looking to possibly part with.   


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Sure Dave, but if you look back in the thread somewhere where I detail the corral on the inside of my barn, you can see the hewn beams and those logs which are stacked. I will saw them up into any size someone needs. That timber is 100+ year old logs of all kinds of species.

Then the main ridge beam is a monster and over 30 feet long. Would have loved to see the tree that thing came from. I could cut out a 8-10 foot section

I have a custom builder here willing to take all of it. upwards of $12 a board foot for the good stuff, and $500 for a 8' piece of hewn weathered beam.

I wouldn't charge that for anyone on this site, but I was just trying to give an idea about what I have. Of the big logs, I can mill anything you or anyone wants. Want a 15" X 10" thick X 8' long piece of white oak from the 1800's? I have it right now!
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Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #843 on: August 12, 2018, 11:35:00 PM »
My concern is transport/shipping.   I would be looking for a few 6 foot long 10x10 ish size.

Trying to talk myself into a road trip for larger use. I’ll screen shot a photo of what momma wants in our living room


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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #844 on: August 12, 2018, 11:40:43 PM »
Dave, truck freight them. It’s not that expensive, only question is if they will allow it due to possible bugs? Idk, I ship steel.
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #846 on: August 13, 2018, 07:31:30 AM »
10 X 10's are no problem

When are you needing them?

I will get into a log there sooner or later and will photo what it looks like opened up. I think the cooler part of it would be the story behind it. Road trip would be awesome. Spend a night down there farmside...I might even get some work out of ya!
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #847 on: August 13, 2018, 07:43:05 AM »
@ 25 hours of drive time and roughly $1200 in furs only. I thinking a shipping pod would be far better served. 


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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #848 on: August 13, 2018, 08:03:41 AM »
Two words, Nebraska or Kansas....,
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Re: Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 5
« Reply #849 on: August 13, 2018, 09:01:48 AM »
Right.    So talking with a coworker who has used the shipping containers,  he says it’s usually 3000 pounds in the max for the smaller 8 foot long boxes,  for about $600 pending the travel distance.  So if Don were to stack one of these about half full with some of those solid beams and it be picked up and delivered to Utah.  That makes it more usable and cost affective.   However there are a few of the other things that might be worth looking into?  Anyone else in this side of the country interested?  Can these be sourced closer to home?

Need Dons zip code to figure out shipping costs


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