REAL MAN TRUCKWORKS & SURVIVAL
VEHICLES, CAMPERS, and BOATS => Tires, Wheels, and Suspension => Topic started by: Flyin6 on February 26, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
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Let's talk about mud tires for a moment.
There are lots of them out there. Let's focus on a tire that is driven on the highway, is subject to weight, as in tongue weight on a truck that is towing a trailer, but also sees off road forest trail to muddy track type occasional driving.
I am currently running the Toyo MT's on my Chebby in a 35 12.50/R18 fitment and with great success. I am 99% on road so far but have used the truck off road in places like my farm which has muddy sport, grassy slopes, and moss covered rocks. It seems to do very well with the Yukon Grizzly rear locker. The truck has never been stuck, needing a winch or other vehicle to pull me out.
Having said that. I have always liked the Yokahama MT's. And I notice they sell it in either a 27" or a 38" size that is begging to get bolted on my Chevy.
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Maybe I'll try them on XJ, well once I finish my wide scale purge on all the rust..
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My son ran the Toyo tires on his Dodge and had very good luck with them. They did wear quicker than other tires but lots of traction. He worked a forest greens business so he was on steep, either heavy rocked, or deep heavy slick mud, logging roads both current use ones and very old single track almost every day through the fall and winter in rain, sleet, snow, mud, and ice. He pulled heavy trailers and hauled heavy with his pickup both in the woods and at 65 on the pavement getting product to the sheds. He always said until they make a better tire he will stick with the Toyo's as they never let him down.
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My latest set I'm trying are Toyo M55's.
With the dirt road I run, my truck literally eats rear tires.
Having said that, they are standing up very well.
Had been running Terra Grapplers, and they were ok, but 25k miles at best.
Like Don most of my time is highway, and same driving conditions,with the exception of the 200 mile dirt road(crushed shale), and I've been told I have a heavy foot. I'll get an accurate mileage on these, but I'm very happy with the durability so far.
They are 'OK' in the snow and ice, they're not a real winter tire, but do better than the Terra's in the snow. Seem to clear mud fairly well, and do well on hlsides etc as well.
I'm not sure how big they go with these however. I'm just running 265 75 16's.
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Maybe I'll try them on XJ, well once I finish my wide scale purge on all the rust..
I ran them on lighter trucks like my old Tundra with much success. on a jeep sized truck you'd like them if you have need of that much traction.
But for you snow bound guys, i'm not sure how well they run in deep snow...not much siping
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I ran them on lighter trucks like my old Tundra with much success. on a jeep sized truck you'd like them if you have need of that much traction.
But for you snow bound guys, i'm not sure how well they run in deep snow...not much siping
I'm going to keep my DuraTracs for my winter tires.
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Huge fan of the M55's. Used to work for Uncle Les and I sold the you know what out of the Toyo MT's back then but always came back to the m55's due to the long tread life and snow traction. most of them are pinned for studs and at one point the state of UT bought more of those than anywhere in the US. Those yokohamas look a lot like the old MTR's on the H1. I like the tread design for pretty much everything but loose dry sand or hard packed snow/ice. you can always have them siped in the center lugs to improve that though. did that on my BFG MT's and they lasted forever and got decent wet weather traction.
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I had a set of the Yoko geolanders sometime back. They were just a tad large for my max but boy did they work great. Even ran them in about 6 inches of snow and they had great traction!
I know you like your aggressive tires though Don.
I have 55k on my Toyos right now, be looking soon too.
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Another +1 for the Toyo MTs. Had them on my Dodge 2500. I got almost 50k out of them and rotated them once, oops. They did great in the rain, snow, sand (aired down) and had good highway manners. And above all they were way more quiet than I thought they would be. Only downside is they are a bit pricey.
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Have the Nitto trail grappler m/t on my 1500 work truck. Have about 23k on them and at last measure I was at 12/32 remaining on the tread from the original 19/32. Always have them rotated/balanced every 3-4k and run 35psi. Considering the same tire for my dmax but not sure if I want to go that aggressive
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Well i bought my truck with mickey thompson baja ATZs and loved the so much i bought the newer version when i needed new ones. they are super quiet on the road and have done amazing in sand, mud, mulch beds, and the grass in my yard. also used them to run the sand drags here. One note is they don't handle shard coral well but will hold eight plugs
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What kind of mulch?
Man, stay away from that triple ground hardwood stuff. Get in that and you're a gonner!
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Don, what sort of mileage are you going to get out of your Toyos and how noisy are they? I spend most of my time on the highway and pulling the boat. I love the looks of the tire and want something that will get me in and out of deer camp but I don't want a bowling tire for those long road trips.
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Don, what sort of mileage are you going to get out of your Toyos and how noisy are they? I spend most of my time on the highway and pulling the boat. I love the looks of the tire and want something that will get me in and out of deer camp but I don't want a bowling tire for those long road trips.
Not very noisy, not like swampers or anything like that. I am used to it, hardly notice it at all. Just drove maybe 70 miles of country road with the windows down. I could talk with and hear the boys.
My front tires last a good while, but the locker in the rear shortens the back tires. I have never laid down a black mark, except for that one test once, and the rears show wear after about 6,000 miles. I got about 30K on two rear tires before they were down to about 1/3rd tread remaining. That's when I replace, as I need deep lugs because of all my off roading at the farm
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Thanks Don! I also like the look of the Open Country RT. I might give them a shot.
http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/open-country-rt-on-off-road-rugged-terrain-tires?cat=10
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Thanks Don! I also like the look of the Open Country RT. I might give them a shot.
http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/open-country-rt-on-off-road-rugged-terrain-tires?cat=10
I'm nervous that I might not give good advice. So we went on a drive today in the truck through the country. I listened and you can definitely hear the tires, but more of a hum, non harmonic, and not a roar.
Hope this helps you in making your decision
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It does, thank you. I've heard that they won't be that noticeable over my Cummins.
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Looking at getting 20 inch rims for my dually and would like a mud grip that handles well in mud, has good wear, and decent price since I'll have to buy 6. What would you guys recommend?
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In in the same boat. Looking at Mayhem Monstir 20s for the dually and Im leaning towards to Nitto Terra Grappler because the vast majority of the mileage is on the highway 90+%
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In in the same boat. Looking at Mayhem Monstir 20s for the dually and Im leaning towards to Nitto Terra Grappler because the vast majority of the mileage is on the highway 90+%
Have you seen a price for the nitto tires? I was looking at dura tracs and tire rack has them for 224 each for a 275/60/20 and if I can get discount tire to match the price I may go with them.
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I'm a huge discount tire fan. In 15 years, I've never bought a tire from anywhere else. They've always taken care of me. I bought 4 new Michelin Pilot Sports 295/35/18 and 275/40/18 for my CLS and it was pulling to the right just a bit. The alignment guy swore up and down it was set correctly and DT replaced the two fronts at no charge just to make sure it was not a bad tire (rare, but it happens- and those tires were $400+ each). They've pro rated tires on that same car when the mileage warranty was iffy. I bought a set of Goodyears for my 2001 gasser and after 5 years only had 20,000 on them and one got road hazard incident. Since Goodyear had discontinued that line, they pro-rated 4 new Goodyears instead of having me mis matched on front and back.
I bought wheels from them for my2001 gasser and lost a center cap 2 years later...gave me one for free. Bought my LB7 and it didn't have a lug socket for the splined lugs...they gave me one for free.
On and on, they have always repaired or balanced tires that came on vehicles that I bought without their tires on them. They have more than earned my business.
So, when it comes time to buy the wheels and tires, I'm going to give them the wheel and tire specs and ask them to get close to that number and buy from them. Great company.
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I've only had rotations and balancing from them and love driving away because the truck rides so nice. My dad loves them and I'll buy from them anyways. I need to contact them and see what a set of 6 terra grapplers will run and if its better than 224 for the dura tracs I'll get them. Are those wheels the black or chrome? I REALLY like their black wheels, stuck between those and eagles if my dad will even let me get new wheels...
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I'm leaning towards the black and machined.
(http://www.wheelsandspinners.com/product_images/d_497.jpg)
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I like them because the white(assuming that's white, could be the lightening) and black match the rest of my truck. Probably the only set of wheels that looks good with lug nut spikes. I'm completely unsure, not even sure my dad will let me get wheels anyways because "I need to save my money" because he has it in his head the truck is about to break down.
The more I look at it I can tell its chrome not white.
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Dittos on Discount/Americas tire. They came and got my wife with kids in tow when a new tire went flat. And they don't have road service.
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I'm leaning towards the black and machined.
(http://www.wheelsandspinners.com/product_images/d_497.jpg)
Looks like the back end of an engine on one of the jets I flew
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I'm leaning towards the black and machined.
(http://www.wheelsandspinners.com/product_images/d_497.jpg)
Looks like the back end of an engine on one of the jets I flew
All the more reason to get them!
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Everything Tex and JR said about Discount Tire. Best place in this town.
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So everyone agrees if you want a good MT that the Toyo MT's are hard to beat? Needing to get a set of MT's for JK before winter hits, always ran the old BFG MT's but those new KM2's bring the suck as far as I'm concerned they wear way too quick.
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Agreed on the KM2s.
I thought the toyos were junk, just by looking at past 50% treadwear on the ones coming into the shop. They seem to always be chopped up by then, but i read nothing but good reviews on them. Maybe my customers aren't rotating properly, or all have bad shocks. IDK.
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I sold the living snot out of Toyos for years before moving to differential parts. worked for a smaller outfit on the west coast Les Schwab. I can vouch for the MT's. treat them well with good rotation schedule and inflation and 50k is a legitimate number. I sipe the center group of lugs but not the outers on HD trucks. all the way on jeeps and lighter vehicles but outer lugs on heavy trucks tend to chunk out. My absolute favorite is the Toyo M55 pinned for studs. last forever, great traction like the old interco buckshots, quieter than most M/T's but cost a fortune.
X2 on the bad shocks. Like the older wild country RVT's, they will scallop badly with poor shocks.
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I've been happy with both firestone destination M/T and BFG M/T. Both are very noisy though. The firestones didn't hold up as well on the highway as the BFG.
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I have no input on which tire is better but I will put in a vote for Sam's Club for buying tires. They provide mounting, new valve stems, lifetime road hazard, lifetime balancing and lifetime rotation all for $15.00 per tire. I have found them to be the cheapest when I add all the moving parts together versus other places. Granted not everyone has a membership but if you do its worth checking out. But I would check it anyway....might be worth it if there is one close to you. Just my $0.02.
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Thanks Tate for the input. If you sold tires, I value your opinion. My operation is pretty small, so not a good sampling.
I'm thinking of getting out from under these Grapplers...they're starting to drive me nuts (and I'm half deaf!).
Toyo M/T it will be (see how that rhymed?)
Wilber, I'm boycotting Sam's. I went in there with a shop list of expendables, filled the cart full to the tune of about 1400 (which included one of those fancy igloo Yeti look-a-likes, for Ken's huntin'), rolled up to the checkout with the shop visa in hand, and they say "sorry sir, we don't accept visa". I said wtf, left my cart sitting there, felt guilty, went back and paid with my personal monies. EErrr The door greeter said "but we take them at the fuel pumps" and to that I said "I didn't come here for gas" and left.
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We have Costco out here, in fact they put one in back in Indiana a year before we left and I liked it mo' better than Sam's. They usually have a good tire sale around Nov ish. Put bridgestones on wifes car a year go and essentially bought 3 and received one free.
OK, back to MT's will take a look at Toyo's and see what they will run me for a set.
Thanks Tate for the input. If you sold tires, I value your opinion. My operation is pretty small, so not a good sampling.
I'm thinking of getting out from under these Grapplers...they're starting to drive me nuts (and I'm half deaf!).
Toyo M/T it will be (see how that rhymed?)
Wilber, I'm boycotting Sam's. I went in there with a shop list of expendables, filled the cart full to the tune of about 1400 (which included one of those fancy igloo Yeti look-a-likes, for Ken's huntin'), rolled up to the checkout with the shop visa in hand, and they say "sorry sir, we don't accept visa". I said wtf, left my cart sitting there, felt guilty, went back and paid with my personal monies. EErrr The door greeter said "but we take them at the fuel pumps" and to that I said "I didn't come here for gas" and left.
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I just put a set of duratracs on our Sierra, ran em on our Chevy before this too. Have found them to be capable in all things I do with my truck. KNew a guy who wheeled them on his 4Runner and also loves them. That being said, the shop I worked at in Wyoming sells the the M55s by the truck load it seems. Lots of oilfield trucks, electric company trucks and a handful of ranch trucks. It's a small town shop but the only reliable place to buy tires in that town, and every time I stop by there he's got a set waiting to be installed... For what it's worth.
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I sold the living snot out of Toyos for years before moving to differential parts. worked for a smaller outfit on the west coast Les Schwab. I can vouch for the MT's. treat them well with good rotation schedule and inflation and 50k is a legitimate number. I sipe the center group of lugs but not the outers on HD trucks. all the way on jeeps and lighter vehicles but outer lugs on heavy trucks tend to chunk out. My absolute favorite is the Toyo M55 pinned for studs. last forever, great traction like the old interco buckshots, quieter than most M/T's but cost a fortune.
X2 on the bad shocks. Like the older wild country RVT's, they will scallop badly with poor shocks.
I'm running the M55's right now. I've passed 30+k on them now and they're holding up great. I haven't measured them but I'd guess over 50% left. These wear like iron, prior to these was running Nitto Terra's, hardly get 30K out of them. I had to order them in, (next day) as none of the shops I deal with stock them, and were easy enough to get. The guy at the shop said same type of sales mainly, oilfield, mining, etc, rough service use.
He was right! Now, the price, yikes! Not for the faint of heart, but if I can run them 2+ times longer, worth it.
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Good info
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I sold the living snot out of Toyos for years before moving to differential parts. worked for a smaller outfit on the west coast Les Schwab. I can vouch for the MT's. treat them well with good rotation schedule and inflation and 50k is a legitimate number. I sipe the center group of lugs but not the outers on HD trucks. all the way on jeeps and lighter vehicles but outer lugs on heavy trucks tend to chunk out. My absolute favorite is the Toyo M55 pinned for studs. last forever, great traction like the old interco buckshots, quieter than most M/T's but cost a fortune.
X2 on the bad shocks. Like the older wild country RVT's, they will scallop badly with poor shocks.
I'm running the M55's right now. I've passed 30+k on them now and they're holding up great. I haven't measured them but I'd guess over 50% left. These wear like iron, prior to these was running Nitto Terra's, hardly get 30K out of them. I had to order them in, (next day) as none of the shops I deal with stock them, and were easy enough to get. The guy at the shop said same type of sales mainly, oilfield, mining, etc, rough service use.
He was right! Now, the price, yikes! Not for the faint of heart, but if I can run them 2+ times longer, worth it.
These are my Nittos after about 5000 miles.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/29/d3f31bac3e597f58572946b05c586550.jpg)
I'm pretty hard on them (loose rocks, pipeline ROWs, terrible lease roads etc). But still they shouldn't chew up like that after so few miles. I had always wondered about them because every time I shop for tires they are close to cheapest ones available. I know now and won't make that $1300 mistake again.
I had the Toyo mt as the first set of tires I bought for my truck. I wasn't off roading as much as I am now but I had zero complaints. Great road manners, great in the snow. I drove through three bad snow storms from NE to PA right after I got them and they worked awesome. Just pricey.
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I had one set of Nittos also, not again.
My Coopers STTS are wearing great. 5K on em and no wear I see easy.
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For 5,000 miles, those look terrible!
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I have some Goodyear MTR's with 3000 ish miles on them that are so tore up you can hardly distinguish the tread pattern. Rock/gravel roads will decimate most any tire.
Most locals around here use the KM2 because it holds up best on our gravel. I am sure region and road types make a huge difference.
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I have some Goodyear MTR's with 3000 ish miles on them that are so tore up you can hardly distinguish the tread pattern. Rock/gravel roads will decimate most any tire.
Most locals around here use the KM2 because it holds up best on our gravel. I am sure region and road types make a huge difference.
To follow on Norms remark
If you are doing a lot of off roading or driving on crushed rock roads, then don't think about tire life because it is not something that is a possibility for you!
A lot (well, all) of the FOB's (Forward Operating Bases) over in the Afghanistan were hastily built and laid down on gravel, actually crushed rock, something in abundance over there. Tires were always getting chunked, including the very expensive ones on my aircraft.
Someone like Norm who wouldn't know a paved road if you parked him on one is living on those crushed rock roads. He has the worst conditions for tire life.
If you do a lot of driving on that, I don't know a tire that will last. The Special Forces guys switched to Gumbo Mudders and Cooper SST's to try and get bot some life, and some traction.
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My semi educated guess would be that the harder the compound the better. harder compounds are bad on normal roads because they get poor traction. On gravel that's not really an issue. 19.5 inch wheels and commercial tires would probably get you more life they just dont look as cool
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Our new project will likely roll with 42" swampers that i will have spun ground to make round.
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Our new project will likely roll with 42" swampers that i will have spun ground to make round.
Amazing how out of round those Gumbo tires are! I couldn't use anything north of a 35 without trimming it!
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Yah mold quality on many tires is pretty bad these days. But after a proper "rounding" on a tire grinder I have run swampers 100mph with no vibration or wobble. Since this next one wnt be a square dodge i may even go up in size to 44 we shall see.
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Here's my M55's. Pic is horrible in the dark and wet.
Still over 1/4" tread left. Passed 40k miles today on them.
I've finally found tires that can take the rock.
For the guys tearing up tires, these are expensive but tough.
All previous attempts were shredded and replaced before 30k miles on my truck.
Some never made 20...
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m605/sammconn/bumpers/B9FF0DAF-A58B-45DB-BD6E-BC56EE6B0D39.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sammconn/media/bumpers/B9FF0DAF-A58B-45DB-BD6E-BC56EE6B0D39.jpg.html)
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Our new project will likely roll with 42" swampers that i will have spun ground to make round.
What is this spun ground you speak of? Burnouts?
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Our new project will likely roll with 42" swampers that i will have spun ground to make round.
What is this spun ground you speak of? Burnouts?
No, you know about grinding tires round, right?
A machine rotates the wheel while a knife scalps the high areas, effectively making the tires round.
Those old swampers and any tire that company made was never round, but they got great traction in extreme conditions. So we'd buy the tires, mount then, have them cut round
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Copy, never heard of a company doing this. Good idear though.........
Our new project will likely roll with 42" swampers that i will have spun ground to make round.
What is this spun ground you speak of? Burnouts?
No, you know about grinding tires round, right?
A machine rotates the wheel while a knife scalps the high areas, effectively making the tires round.
Those old swampers and any tire that company made was never round, but they got great traction in extreme conditions. So we'd buy the tires, mount then, have them cut round
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Looks like this:
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40k on a good traction tire is great wear.
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Anyone ever hear about Federal tires?
They have a 37/12.50 R18 selling for just under $300
That is outstanding
I'd like to know if I'd be out-standing in the cold on a trail somewhere due to tire failure if I used them???
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Hang on...
Majic 8 ball says "Probably So" :-\
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Hang on...
Majic 8 ball says "Probably So" :-\
Sounds definitive!
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Anyone ever hear about Federal tires?
They have a 37/12.50 R18 selling for just under $300
That is outstanding
I'd like to know if I'd be out-standing in the cold on a trail somewhere due to tire failure if I used them???
A guy I worked with this year picked up a set for his f250. He like them. Said they howled a bit but overall decent. He got a set of factory size 20s for around $900 to his door. Can't beat that with a stick.
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They look close to the newer Cooper STT.
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I have found them for sale all the way back to $267 apiece. Even with adding shipping, around $300, that's a deal for a 37" tire.
The local guys will sell them to me for $309 installed with a free alignment and free rotation and balance for life. So $1550 for 5 tires balanced and looking pretty. Not bad at all, but they have to order them and are telling me 30 days...
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I have found them for sale all the way back to $267 apiece. Even with adding shipping, around $300, that's a deal for a 37" tire.
The local guys will sell them to me for $309 installed with a free alignment and free rotation and balance for life. So $1550 for 5 tires balanced and looking pretty. Not bad at all, but they have to order them and are telling me 30 days...
Have you checked out the Cooper STT Maxs' or whatever they are called. I've seen some lifted diesels up here with them.
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I have found them for sale all the way back to $267 apiece. Even with adding shipping, around $300, that's a deal for a 37" tire.
The local guys will sell them to me for $309 installed with a free alignment and free rotation and balance for life. So $1550 for 5 tires balanced and looking pretty. Not bad at all, but they have to order them and are telling me 30 days...
Have you checked out the Cooper STT Maxs' or whatever they are called. I've seen some lifted diesels up here with them.
Sure have Bobby
They are a bit spendy, like around $500 more for the set of 5.
I like them though. The 5th group guys out of Kandahar and Cobra had DMV's with them mounted up and liked them a lot in that terrain.
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sounds to me like that just gave the reason to spend the extra $500................... ??? ?
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I think I just found the ultimate trail tire with decent pricing and both AT and MT elements.
Kanati Trail Hog
Size 37 12.50/R18 $269 ea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See who has them tomorrow.
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Those look VERY similar to the Duratracs.
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Why sir, I believe you are correct
Duratrac and a trail hog
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Just checked. Duratracs do not come in the 37 12.50/R18 size
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Just checked. Duratracs do not come in the 37 12.50/R18 size
Freakin Chinamen
Copying us again, changing a couple things and claiming they have a new idea
Freakin Chinamen!
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Personally I'd stick with tires you know are good. Once I get the spare set of wheels sandblasted and powdercoated for XJ, I'm throwing some STT Maxxs' on for my camping/exploring tires. I think they'd work out rather well for you.
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Well I pulled trigger on a set of duratracs, first non BFG truck tires I have bought in years. I was actually feeling a little guilty. You see when we had the race team BF sponsored us tons of tires. Very expensive tires non the less so in a way they bought my business. Then they went from the KM to the KM2 and severely disappointed me. Great off road tire but multiple reasons as an all around truck tire they suck in comparison. So feeling guilty and all I was looking at buying KM2's again but fate stepped in and the size I needed 285/75R16 are on national back order for 4-6 weeks. So that gave me the peace of mind to go another route.
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My 8k lb truck absolutely hated the km2 35s. They did all sorts of crazy "balance" things. Beads did no good. They just couldn't handle the weight at highway speeds. I sure liked them off road tho.
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I just read a pretty decent thread on AT tires at Expo. The one caveat I would have is that most of the uses they described are not the heavier loads that many here use so as with anything YMMV. But I like how they approached the tests from a scientific standpoint for all the different attributes.
http://expeditionportal.com/where-the-rubber-meets-the-road/
At the time of the test the new KO2's were not available but there was a long term review of them posted as well that may interest some. It was on a Jeep so again lacks the heavy aspect but figured I would pass it along as well.
http://expeditionportal.com/nmbrs-long-term-bfgoodrich-ko2-review-15000-mile-report/
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Same here on F350 crew cab dually they sucked at speed...... Spent a lot of money on balancing as well.
My 8k lb truck absolutely hated the km2 35s. They did all sorts of crazy "balance" things. Beads did no good. They just couldn't handle the weight at highway speeds. I sure liked them off road tho.
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Anyone ever hear about Federal tires?
They have a 37/12.50 R18 selling for just under $300
That is outstanding
I'd like to know if I'd be out-standing in the cold on a trail somewhere due to tire failure if I used them???
JUNK!! ABSOLUTE JUNK!!! Believe me when I say I have handled way to many cases here at the dealership with crap tires and these are one of my #1 culprits.
Other dealerships and wholesale flippers around the area buy base model Rental trucks and jeeps @ auctions I attend. Spend 5k on lift, wheels, tires, exhaust, aftermarket leather, gawdy chrome crap and dvds, navigation...blah blah blah....
Then they offer them for sale to the public for BLOOD MONEY....(5-10K over retail)..only because they "look cool"....
Then people finance a mortgage payment on said vehicle and come to my dealership to trade said vehicle complaining that they just bought it and it rides like crap and cant hear themselves talk.. AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY ARE 15-20K UPSIDE DOWN!!!!
I Just replaced a set of "NEW" Federal 37's on a jeep that we took in trade. Could not get to balance. on every damn special machine in the area.... obviously out of round (if you can call a square tire that), but of course myself not being the original purchaser of said tires. Federal will not warranty the issue. Id rather buy Nittos through discount tire any day of the week. I can usually get a 35" mounted and balanced for $1200 out the door (no tax for re-sellers) in the case of 37's its about $1450.
This isn't the first time nor the last, I just know when I take a vehicle like that in trade that I will inevitably replace the tires or send straight to auction.
Just an insight into the dealership life and friendly reminder to not waste your money. ;D
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My 35/12-5-17s cooper stt were 1800 otd. 320 rebates. 500 for old set. Including new rims.
Balanced fine. Still good after 5k show little wear.
18 in and the price jumps. Think these are still E rating
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You guys are makin' sense
I must have been going temporarily insane
Last night I drove down to Lexington to attend an event. Drove at 76 MPH with my 4.56 gears the motor was singing a pretty tune, like around 2300 RPM. Corresponding fuel consumption, as in it was consumin' some fuel!
Incidentally, I paid just $1.19 a gallon for that stuff, must have been mostly water or something, but haven't seen that price since the 1990's!
I can do several things here
1. Just buy two new 35-12.50 R18 Toyo MT's and call it a day
2. Buy a set of 5ea 37" tires for the 18" rims I have
3. Mount up a set of 35" AT tires for my 18" wheels
4. Buy a set of 17" wheels and go with either 37" or 35" MT's or AT's
So truth is I only get off road (Really off road) about once a week and do a lot of highway driving at 70 MPH. So the truth of the matter is that what I should be using is a good AT tire.
That's what I like about that Kanita tire, has blocks on the shoulder like a MT tire, but an AT tread in the middle.
The BFG KO2's are nice, well, great, but now very spendy. Another tire which I used in years past is the General grabber AT. looks something like the BFG AT and lasts a long time. I used to go everywhere with those tires mounted on my 94 F250 PS 7.3, 4.10 gear 5 speed.
If I had to buy tomorrow, I would get an AT. Bobby's suggestion is a darned good tire. Might have to look at that one again...
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with the 4.56, you need 37s. Should drop your RPMs at 76 from 2300 to about 2175, which is muy better.
You mean $1.91? Where you buying farm fuel for $1.19?
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My guess is it was Kroger after he cashed in his rebates for buying all those groceries.....
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with the 4.56, you need 37s. Should drop your RPMs at 76 from 2300 to about 2175, which is muy better.
You mean $1.91? Where you buying farm fuel for $1.19?
I concur with the 37" RPM thing
Nope, one dollar, nineteen cents!
I get a local discount from the marked $2.09 at the pump
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My guess is it was Kroger after he cashed in his rebates for buying all those groceries.....
Give that man a gold star!
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dunno if I'm late to the party, but I've found this site fairly useful and accurate in regards to gears, tires and RPMs
http://www.grimmjeeper.com/gears.html
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dunno if I'm late to the party, but I've found this site fairly useful and accurate in regards to gears, tires and RPMs
http://www.grimmjeeper.com/gears.html
I like that! Think I'll Sticky it
Thanks Seth!
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not a problem.. just glad to have made a contribution.
may have set the bar too high.. hahah
I've just been snooping around the internetzz for awhile with jeep stuff (V8 swap into an XJ and such..) and found it very useful.
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Sold a lot of those federals back in the day. Bargain basement junk Don. Sidewalls are not very well reinforced which contributes to the lousy ride, balance issues, and easily made punctures on the trail.
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I say get the STTs from Cooper. You already know that they are effective.
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I don't have many miles on my set, but i've liked by Cooper ATPs a lot so far... which is like the AT3 but is the Discount Tire exclusive
The ST MAXX i've heard is a dang good tire... it's more of an AT/MT hybrid... and they do make them in 37s. Maybe something to consider
Here's the ST MAXX
(http://i.imgur.com/E2fdWgh.jpg)
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^^^ Definitely more of an AT
Federals are off the radar
Who knows the Kanati tire product?
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I am pretty sure i'm buying 6ea Goodyear Duratraks but I'm still looking at the Coopers. since I am on the road 70% of the time I am not 100% convinced I want to a straight mud tire.
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I bought the duratrac a couple weeks back & am very pleased with them. Not too noisy on the street & they handle well. Have had them up to 80mph & are pretty smooth. I have them on my jk & dt had them at 60psi (way too much for light jk) they road like a log wagon. Dropped them back to 40psi and they smoothed right out. All the jeep guys who run them on those forums claim at 40psi they wear even.
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Got some new boots for the truck today, and got rid of those darn Mud Grapplers. What a difference!
I was really torn between keeping some type of MT or switching to ATs, but ended up with the Nitto Trail Graps. I don't put that many miles on it, and there are times I've needed the extra bite, especially in a couple spots I've pulled the new 5ver.
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There may, or may not, have been some high speed-stock tire-truing-burning just prior to installing these! lol
(http://i.imgur.com/FXEhX8z.jpg)
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New 5er!?!?!?!?!?!?
Care to splain lucy!
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Same new old one Nate. Still new to me!
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Has anyone tried the toyo open country A/T 2 tires yet?
Edit: nevermind, just found the other thread with at tires.
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I don't have many miles on my set, but i've liked by Cooper ATPs a lot so far... which is like the AT3 but is the Discount Tire exclusive
The ST MAXX i've heard is a dang good tire... it's more of an AT/MT hybrid... and they do make them in 37s. Maybe something to consider
Here's the ST MAXX
(http://i.imgur.com/E2fdWgh.jpg)
I may try a set of these for my next set since I recently found out the tires I have 70,000 miles on is no longer made. I also found last week that I installed those tires on March 20, 2011 at 114k miles. On the way home the truck hit 184k miles. It does help that I drive like an old man and it's mostly on pavement these days but 70k+ miles on a 3/4 ton diesel tickles me pink. My old tires are LT 265/75R16 BFG Rugged Trails. Although I need a little more aggressive tire now, I would've bought these again if they were still made.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n498/jamesguilliams/Vehicles/DFA6452B-D03E-4D35-A2F5-A38001752FAA.jpg) (http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/jamesguilliams/media/Vehicles/DFA6452B-D03E-4D35-A2F5-A38001752FAA.jpg.html)
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n498/jamesguilliams/Vehicles/C6BBB0FD-E9E5-4A7E-8799-F4336170C141.jpg) (http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/jamesguilliams/media/Vehicles/C6BBB0FD-E9E5-4A7E-8799-F4336170C141.jpg.html)
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Im liking my exo grapplers I just bought. Better than the mall terrain Terra grappler g2s on the lB7
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Those appear to have similar specs as the ST MAXX but brings me to my other problem which is 16" wheels. They're only offered in 17, 18, and 20". As much as I would like to buy the H2 wheels I found today, investing towards our retirement and future kids' college funds are more important obligations. Being a responsible adult sucks sometimes.
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Yes it does. Especially when so many are sucking off the government teet
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So I went to go price out my next set of Toyo M55's yesterday.
They tell me that Nitto and Toyo are on in the same.
I'm between 55-60k on the set I have now, and don't want a different compound.
"The NITTO HD GRAPPLER is the exact same tire that you requested ( difference being the name ) Speaking with the REP. For Nitto/Toyo I confirmed this."
They're not done yet, about 8/32 front, and 12/32 rears after the last rotation.
But winter is coming, and that likely isn't enough for grip purposes.
They've stood up better than anything I've ran so far.
Nitto Terra Graplers being second, at about 25-30 k. They were chunked out badly, and letting rock pass inside at that point.
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I have had both the Nittos and the Toyos, both getting 50-60k easy. But I am not hard on em as in braking and cornering but don't consider I go real easy on em too.
I do like the Toyos better, but have coopers stt's now. They are wearing good, but mileage is down.
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I seem to have resolved my earlier wheel size issue. Turns out I have something laying around that another guy can use, and he has a set of 17" H2 wheels with 285/75R16 Cooper AT3 tires with decent life left in them. I'll run those during winter/hunting season and put my factory wheels with BFG Rugged Trails back on during the summer months. Running them in that manner I shouldn't need tires for a while now but when I do I'll have the 16 or 17" wheel option.
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So I went to go price out my next set of Toyo M55's yesterday.
They tell me that Nitto and Toyo are on in the same.
I'm between 55-60k on the set I have now, and don't want a different compound.
"The NITTO HD GRAPPLER is the exact same tire that you requested ( difference being the name ) Speaking with the REP. For Nitto/Toyo I confirmed this."
They're not done yet, about 8/32 front, and 12/32 rears after the last rotation.
But winter is coming, and that likely isn't enough for grip purposes.
They've stood up better than anything I've ran so far.
Nitto Terra Graplers being second, at about 25-30 k. They were chunked out badly, and letting rock pass inside at that point.
I have had both the Nittos and the Toyos, both getting 50-60k easy. But I am not hard on em as in braking and cornering but don't consider I go real easy on em too.
I do like the Toyos better, but have coopers stt's now. They are wearing good, but mileage is down.
People seem to have really good luck with the Nitto all terrains or really bad luck. I've never heard anything in between. I did have a set of dura grapplers on a 01' 1500 that were holding up very well before I sold the truck. Being a 10 ply on a half ton I wouldn't have expected anything less though.
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