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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #200 on: October 06, 2016, 02:54:49 PM »
So a motor you spent mucho $$$ on has a bad rear seal that won't be warrantied because of an oil pan install?

Is he putting an over the counter seal on, vs the "custom" that you were told it has?

Spent big $$$$ on custom motor, it is supposed to have his "special" one piece rear main seal I posted link to earlier.

On his website he has a disclaimer in reference to the 3.8/4.1 motors that if customers pay him $400 rather than receive a $400 credit & he installs the rear main, pan & front timing cover he is not liable if they leak. He further states it's due to the fact he can't bring motor up to operating temp.

When I sent him an email Sat stating I thought rear main was leaking he stated they never leak in an email then asked if I sealed fly wheel bolts & rear lower intake which I did.

Couple things worth noting or addressing, the statements on rear main seal are contradictory. He was paid to install them & the rear main seal is his design I believe. I also never signed anything stating he was not liable for a portion of the work I paid him to complete.

Current mechanic will be ordering oem replacement seals.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #201 on: October 06, 2016, 02:57:06 PM »
Yeah, funny how if "he does the install" he's not liable... but if you did, and 100,000,000 other variables pass that could affect said install, he'd pay for it???
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #202 on: October 06, 2016, 03:07:45 PM »
Well, it also says on his site they will only pay warranty work if it's pre approved & I use someone from his approved list of mechanics. Said list is not on his site readily available & I viewed where a couple different people asked for it & he never publicly posted that list that I can find anywhere.

With all of that stated, I'm using my mechanic who is legitimately a reputable service shop down the street from my home & I didn't ask 505 their permission this isn't warranty work anyhow.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #203 on: October 06, 2016, 03:10:39 PM »
Yeah, funny how if "he does the install" he's not liable... but if you did, and 100,000,000 other variables pass that could affect said install, he'd pay for it???

Tate, we both know this ain't our first rodeo. It'll be ok, truth is on our side.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #204 on: October 06, 2016, 03:19:21 PM »
I wonder what's "special" about his seal. Different size journal than stock? If not, then he's blowing smoke, because I believe in one as new as an '08, that the oem seal is teflon, and they very seldom leak like the older rubber ones....if installed properly (some are easy to install backwards, and should also be installed dry)
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« Reply #205 on: October 06, 2016, 03:25:58 PM »
Here it is again, states 3/8" thick. Leads me to believe it is same journal size though (that way it can fit a stock motor setup) as it does not say it won't work on a stock motor. Why make it so custom it won't work for the majority of the jeeps on the road. That isn't logical.......

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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #206 on: October 06, 2016, 04:31:48 PM »
Something is fishy there for sure. Ask your mech if the seal he pulled has a part# on it. See how custom it really is for $85 !!!!!

From what you say it is not his fault unless you pay him big bucks. Buying it though may have included a disclaimer, but you still have the forums and Paypal. Sure you still a have a few contacts too.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #207 on: October 06, 2016, 04:36:05 PM »
Let's not get the cart before the horse. I'll get it fixed first, confirm 100% in writing it was rear main seal along with any other info I can gather. After that I'll email them (they seem to rather like email versus a phone anyhow), let them know what has taken place & get their response. Move forward at that point.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #208 on: October 06, 2016, 04:49:07 PM »
..taking pics as it's disassembled?
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« Reply #209 on: October 06, 2016, 04:55:56 PM »
Nope, using third party. I verified it leaks, they will verify from where. The mechanic & then the owner of said shop are involved. I think that's enough testimony if it gets that far which I don't see it getting.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #210 on: October 06, 2016, 05:06:15 PM »
I've had it that far. lol

Some of the guys I've had dealings with are premadonna "BEBITW". ( best engine builders in the world...if you don't believe it, just ask them!)

Getting tired of running that scooter yet? It's already dropping into the 50s here....kind of a shock to my system!
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #211 on: October 06, 2016, 05:31:59 PM »
Scooter has been ok, found out I need to change the mount for the spare tank & storage box so I can haul more stuff on the rack. It rained today but office work all day anyhow so no big deal. It's in 50's here today as well.

I hear you about premadonnas too, I'll just get it fixed & then move forward. I was in business long enough to not get too excited.

Spoke with my mechanic, they have not pulled the transmission. Long story short he was busy and trying to work me in last minute which I knew up front and had to beg off until first of the week on my job. I will be taking pictures when it's apart, he offered and I accepted.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #212 on: October 12, 2016, 10:02:37 AM »
Update?
Oh, what? he said you left the oil drain plug loose and that's all it was? :)
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #213 on: October 12, 2016, 11:11:17 AM »
Waiting on phone call, supposed to go down this morning to take pics etc.

Drain plug was installed correctly......

Edit: Stopped by shop this morning on way back from bank (my card was hacked & I'm very careful btw ::) ). Anyhow they have been trying to pull transmission since mid day yesterday & were not happy. This jeep came out of Toronto so apparently there is some rust on bolts etc. & these western mechanics aren't used to it.   :-\
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #214 on: October 12, 2016, 03:38:03 PM »
Waiting on phone call, supposed to go down this morning to take pics etc.

Drain plug was installed correctly......

Edit: Stopped by shop this morning on way back from bank (my card was hacked & I'm very careful btw ::) ). Anyhow they have been trying to pull transmission since mid day yesterday & were not happy. This jeep came out of Toronto so apparently there is some rust on bolts etc. & these western mechanics aren't used to it.   :-\

I can let them work on XJ and they might appreciate your rust a bit more.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #215 on: October 12, 2016, 04:45:33 PM »
Bobby, without being mean because these mechanics are good guys. If anything has the slightest bit of rust they flip out. I've wrenched on much worse than this jeep, dare I say worse than that xj of yours. I started GLO buying old rusted out farm trucks & pulling the drive trains out to re sell. So part of me wants to honestly laugh & do the eye roll....... Again, good guys but the premadonna reminds me of my welders or dare I say a pilut?  :o
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« Reply #216 on: October 12, 2016, 05:22:40 PM »
oh snap!
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #217 on: October 12, 2016, 06:46:23 PM »
So here's the update & I'm going to keep it brief for now. They removed the trans / t-case, we found leaks & I was able to document it with pictures. The lower rear of intake was not leaking & the crank bolts were not leaking either. The main seal according to Ken appeared to not be made of the better quality teflon & in his words I believe he stated sub standard was his opinion.

Mechanic has his marching orders, they had to pull y pipe with cats & o2 sensors to remove trans / t-case. I made the executive descision to order new y pipe, cats & o2's being the current unit is going on 9 years old. I have a new cat back system in box in my shop so I will install that in the near future.
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #218 on: October 12, 2016, 07:04:45 PM »
Custom oil seal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??
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« Reply #219 on: October 12, 2016, 09:22:02 PM »
Custom oil seal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??

Ken didn't believe so, his comment was if it isn't factory size it's most likely still from the catalog....
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« Reply #220 on: October 12, 2016, 10:20:14 PM »
so where was the leak at?
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #221 on: October 13, 2016, 09:43:41 AM »
Bobby, without being mean because these mechanics are good guys. If anything has the slightest bit of rust they flip out. I've wrenched on much worse than this jeep, dare I say worse than that xj of yours. I started GLO buying old rusted out farm trucks & pulling the drive trains out to re sell. So part of me wants to honestly laugh & do the eye roll....... Again, good guys but the premadonna reminds me of my welders or dare I say a pilut?  :o
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« Reply #222 on: October 13, 2016, 09:45:50 AM »
Keeping u on your toes........
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« Reply #223 on: October 13, 2016, 10:05:29 AM »
Keeping u on your toes........
about all that I have left!
Fingers are all buggered up

Not one of them that is not bleeding from all this detail electrical work!

Wonder if I can wire in outlets with my toes???
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« Reply #224 on: October 13, 2016, 10:09:22 AM »

Don't get banned and fired again!

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« Reply #225 on: October 13, 2016, 10:27:02 AM »
You're fired
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« Reply #226 on: October 13, 2016, 10:29:13 AM »
Reinstated...

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« Reply #227 on: October 13, 2016, 08:42:45 PM »
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« Reply #228 on: October 13, 2016, 09:14:38 PM »
Slight update, rear main seal was not OEM size. However, as Ken stated it must have been in catalog because mechanic was able to acquire one today. Should have Jeep back tomorrow leak free.
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« Reply #229 on: October 28, 2016, 03:33:47 PM »
Good news! Now, to find out what the builder is going to do to back/not back, his product.
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« Reply #230 on: October 29, 2016, 09:25:42 AM »
so whats the update on the jeep?
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« Reply #231 on: October 31, 2016, 06:35:10 PM »
This post will serve has a place for me to update the motor etc once the dust has settled.
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« Reply #232 on: October 31, 2016, 06:45:50 PM »
So I'm moving forward with various other tasks that need addressed on the Jeep. Today I pulled the factory cat back exhaust and installed a flow master stainless system. I'll post up some pics later to meet the rules. It is a rock crawler type system meaning everything is tucked up high and tight. Here is a link to the particular system I installed..

http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/exhaust-sytems/817674-cat-back-system-409s-single-rear-exit-american-thunder-moderate-sound/?make=42&year1=2008&model=356&submodel=1453&engine=2136&category=Exhaust%20Systems%20/%20Kits&kw=

My feedback on this system is that it can be a little tight in a couple of areas, the muffler included could be an inch shorter in overall length and would help tremendously. Nothing that a big hammer can't solve (it is an exhaust system, I also heated up and tweaked the front cat attachment section down about a half an inch). The stupid grade 0 chinaman junk exhaust clamps were given the boot after I busted two of them by shearing the bolts in half. A quick trip to Napa solved that issue. Other than that the install went smooth and the sound is louder than stock but not overwhelming either. 
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #233 on: October 31, 2016, 07:58:20 PM »
You saying the large hammer and cheap clamps didn't play well together?

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« Reply #234 on: October 31, 2016, 09:31:06 PM »
You saying the large hammer and cheap clamps didn't play well together?

I'm saying the cheap clamps didn't like my IR impact (they wouldn't tighten up properly) initially two tightened up but after two broke I ditched all of them. The muffler being a shade too long got knocked into suitable size with the bfh..... ;)
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« Reply #235 on: November 02, 2016, 07:29:05 PM »
New 800CC Interstate battery today, after the motor swap I noticed the unit was seeming a little weak. Come to find out it was a Walmart 3 year old unit so it took a hike. I picked it up at Costco for less than a hundred. I am contemplating acquiring a dual battery mount box (that goes in existing location) and picking up an optima deep cycle for the winch and lights etc then building my own isolation kit. Haven't decided if I'm going that route or not yet.

Here's the battery box I'm looking at.......

http://www.quadratec.com/products/12590_1205_07.htm

Brake upgrade is supposed to be delivered tomorrow.
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« Reply #236 on: November 02, 2016, 07:56:11 PM »
I like that!
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« Reply #237 on: November 02, 2016, 08:03:14 PM »
I like that!

Picked it up with free shipping should be here next week sometime.

So who has optima deep cycle batteries for the best bargain?
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« Reply #238 on: November 02, 2016, 08:04:40 PM »
Very nice but a little pricey.

Amazon shows the red top for $140 and free shipping. https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000MSBU9U/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
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« Reply #239 on: November 02, 2016, 08:21:53 PM »
JR, red top or blue? I had the blue running accessories in the EB & it was isolated. Believe blue is deep cycle so it can take being drained repeatedly for winch etc.....

I agree price seems tad steep but some places want $180ish for it. I could fab my own but being a bolt in unit seems too easy & this was only unit that will accommodate oem or optima batteries...
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« Reply #240 on: November 03, 2016, 10:21:14 AM »
JR, red top or blue? I had the blue running accessories in the EB & it was isolated. Believe blue is deep cycle so it can take being drained repeatedly for winch etc.....

I agree price seems tad steep but some places want $180ish for it. I could fab my own but being a bolt in unit seems too easy & this was only unit that will accommodate oem or optima batteries...
I think you know this already, but do not couple a deep cycle with a starting battery. The starter bat will pull down the deep cycle and keep it at a low charge...They are just not compatible.
On a separate circuit, you'd be GTG. I do that on my Square D truck. That bat runs truck electrics and winches, nothing more. But I do have an emergency switching to use it to start the engine if the front bat catches a high velocity projectile, or I leave the stereo on and blaring while I'm escaping and evading... ;-)
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Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
« Reply #241 on: November 03, 2016, 07:11:40 PM »
JR, red top or blue? I had the blue running accessories in the EB & it was isolated. Believe blue is deep cycle so it can take being drained repeatedly for winch etc.....

I agree price seems tad steep but some places want $180ish for it. I could fab my own but being a bolt in unit seems too easy & this was only unit that will accommodate oem or optima batteries...
I think you know this already, but do not couple a deep cycle with a starting battery. The starter bat will pull down the deep cycle and keep it at a low charge...They are just not compatible.
On a separate circuit, you'd be GTG. I do that on my Square D truck. That bat runs truck electrics and winches, nothing more. But I do have an emergency switching to use it to start the engine if the front bat catches a high velocity projectile, or I leave the stereo on and blaring while I'm escaping and evading... ;-)

The isolator doesn't keep it from dragging it down? Or is that what you mean about a separate circuit? Oh, & what is this SQ D you speak of? ;D


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« Reply #242 on: November 17, 2016, 07:59:55 AM »
You could get a red and a blue and a yellow...all the trendy alt/left battery choices=)

Or ya could just buy a Deka of suitable size and use the saved cash to bolster your winter crocks collection.

Glad to read you have it running again man...winter is here. Took the drag radials off of patch last night..back to 4x4 rubber.

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« Reply #243 on: November 17, 2016, 11:22:03 AM »
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« Reply #244 on: November 20, 2016, 11:59:32 AM »
You could get a red and a blue and a yellow...all the trendy alt/left battery choices=)

Or ya could just buy a Deka of suitable size and use the saved cash to bolster your winter crocks collection.

Glad to read you have it running again man...winter is here. Took the drag radials off of patch last night..back to 4x4 rubber.

Have over 1K on the new motor now, it appears I have all of the issues fixed. Or at least the ones I am going to worry about. The valve train still has a slight noise to it. It has gotten quieter so I think that some of the initial noise was air in the lifters which has been bleeding out over the last few hundred miles. I also do not know what is acceptable noise for this motor, the builder and I aren't really on speaking terms at this point. They are not really a quiet motor from the factory so I am going to say some slight noise is to be expected. It does have considerable more power and if it stays reliable then I will be satisfied.

On to more pressing things, after slicing a side wall in the local mulch bed I decided the rear tire mount needed finished. Don, pay attention here as I am going to build an old man unit. Meaning one that a larger tire can be mounted without killing yourself. Probably wouldn't work on a full size truck bed that well but with my short cargo area should be just fine and no worries of this falling off going down the highway and killing small school children waiting at the bus stop.

Worth noting, I use the Jeep as a truck more often than not since I no longer own a truck. So the rear tire carrier is going to have to serve various tasks. One of which is to have an attachment point for a ladder rack type upper rear mount. I need to haul long lengths of steel angle and tube etc. I would do a roof rack except the ones on the market are pretty high above the roof of the vehicle. A permanent mount is a no go since I have a short garage door height being limited. So the rear tire mount needs to be strong to hold addition weight.

I am trying to keep the weight of these add ons to a minimum as I still want to off road it occasionally, weight is always an issue. This rear upper attachment point will also be used for an upper rack (yet to be built) for storing extra camping gear or a yeti on summer excursions. Weight being kept in check I will use those rear mounts for shackles I never use as the attachment point versus adding additional weight with other mounts or a stub shaft and bearing.

Last the tube bender has been torn down and being refurbished with new paint and casters. The plan is to finish the upgrade to a hydraulic unit when I reassemble it.  Making it more versatile and easy to store in my small workshop. So for the time being I am unable to bend tube which is ok for this current project, but no tube or angle bending capability currently.

Some pics of the base mount as I'm mocking it up. If you plan on doing precision fabricating these bessey clamps are the bomb. I invested in them years ago and they have made there money back many times over since.









 
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« Reply #245 on: November 20, 2016, 12:14:16 PM »
Ohhh, take note - real fabricators use steel welding tables.......no flames and it lasts until the material is needed elsewhere for a project!
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« Reply #246 on: November 20, 2016, 01:04:40 PM »
Note: real fabricators have caught themselves on fire more than once, as such we're not fond of fire.....
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« Reply #247 on: November 20, 2016, 02:07:51 PM »
Ohhh, take note - real fabricators use steel welding tables.......no flames and it lasts until the material is needed elsewhere for a project!
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« Reply #248 on: November 20, 2016, 02:38:00 PM »
You have no proof ;-))

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« Reply #249 on: November 20, 2016, 02:39:34 PM »
Ohhh, take note - real fabricators use steel welding tables.......no flames and it lasts until the material is needed elsewhere for a project!
You have no proof ;-))

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