I assume a few more woke up this weekend

[stlaser]

Unfortunately this guy ain't quite there yet, but he's primed for the picking I'd say....


https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/gvdl-the-angry-mob-approacheth/

So I assume in the last ten years the majority of people that visit this site voted Republican. I'll confess, I did sometimes & sometimes not. I don't belong to any group really, yeah I gave money to GOA & they made me a member but so what? I'm not a member of a church or any gun ranges or even the chamber of commerce. You may ask why, my reasoning is rooted in the fact I believe in self reliance & unless it involves a hand shake, looking a man in the eye or following Christ directly not through some other organization I want no part of it. But anyhow back to what started this post, if you think voting for a president will make one bit of difference in the direction of where we are headed I believe you are dead wrong & have wool covering your eye lids. I think most would agree all the presidential candidates suck. That in of itself should tell you something. Anyhow, I will not be voting from here on out & that is my vote. I refuse to be a part of this evil corrupt completely staged for entertainment scam of an election cycle. Oh and for those claiming they will make it mandatory for everyone to vote good luck with that too & welcome to communism!

On a final note I want to thank those who gave their time, blood, sweat & lives to give me the opportunity to vote. So in honor of them my vote has been cast going forward by not voting.

[stlaser]

Here you go more of the same, except she's been saying it longer than I & she's a tad more blunt about it I reckon....


http://www.barnhardt.biz/2016/04/13/god-knows-i-tried/

[TexasRedNeck]

Sean I suspect that you posted this knowing you would receive some contrary opinions, so please allow me to be the first.

Our system of government is still the best in the world.  In my very humble opinion, not voting is conceding defeat, quitting.  Change can happen but only when people of principle overwhelm the ballot.  The reason we had a second term of the most narcissistic socialist in modern history is because 13M fewer people turned out to vote in 2012 than 2008.  If the same number of people had voted for Romney that voted for McCain in 2008, Romney would be president.  But good people, like you, stayed home and gave the election to Obama.  330,000 votes in 4 states could have swung the election to Romney.

Romney lost New Hampshire’s 4 electoral college votes by a margin of 40,659. Obama won with 368,529 to Romney’s  327,870.

Romney lost Florida’s 29 electoral college votes  by a margin of 73,858. Obama won with 4,236,032 to Romney’s 4,162,174.

Romney lost Ohio’s 18 electoral college votes by a margin of 103,481. Obama won with 2,697,260 to Romney’s 2,593,779

Romney lost Virginia’s 13 electoral college votes by a margin of 115,910. Obama won with 1,905,528 to Romney’s  1,789,618.

Add the 64 electoral college votes from this switch of 333,908 votes in these four key states to Romney’s 206, remove them from Obama’s 332, and Romney defeats Obama 270 to 268.

Overall, voter turnout was down, from 131 million in 2008 to 122 million in 2012. Obama won 7.6 million fewer votes than he did in 2008, and Romney won 1.3 million fewer than McCain in 2008.


Anyone of sound judgement would agree that Romney, while not perfect, would have been imminently better than BHO.  We'd have a more robust economy and a stronger foreign policy.

Does money shape our politics?  Sure it does.  First hand, I have witnessed it and I navigate that landscape routinely as part of my job and as a close follower of politics at many levels.  I've personally participated in politics of quid pro quo, because that's how business gets done.  It happens that way in every government system, even communism.  The big communist lie is that all are equal when its no where close.  Those with money and power still drive the government, even if some money comes from outside the government.

So I implore you to not be a quitter, a defeatist.  It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

[stlaser]

TRN, I always appreciate an opposing view. Trust me it's better than crickets.

Let me clarify, I didn't stay home last time. I will this time though, & I tend to believe Romney wouldn't have been much if any better than that guy who retained his seat has been looking back. Let's recall the republicans owned the house after the last election. So with that said we have a one party system. I agree it was at one time better than any system in the world. That same system is now broken and beyond repair. Maybe I lack sound judgement? It's possible I suppose but you'll have a very hard time convincing anyone who has worked under my supervision of that idea. Not to mention colleagues, lawyers, bankers and or anyone else I have dealt with in business for the last twenty years. But again maybe they are all delusional too? Can you find a couple? I suppose but I likely fired them or we didn't see eye to eye and regardless I probably don't recall even their last name at this point.

So you see TRN, I haven't given up. Not in the least, I have decided with sound judgement not to participate in this evil & vile broken system. I know in my heart what the answer is & it has nothing to do with voting for any man.

[TexasRedNeck]

Sean, we agree to disagree on certain key points.

And that, dear internet viewers, is how sane adults have a conversation of dissenting opinion without resorting to disparaging the lineage of someone's parents, threatening to show up at the other's house, or generally throwing poopy diapers.....

[stlaser]

Agreed! Always a pleasure having a discussion with TRN.

[JR]

I have been listed as an independent since just after I voted the first time (Carter). Since then I pay attention much more, but this system is the best going even with all the flaws and back room deals.

If you don't vote, it is a vote for the other side (what happen to Romney). Call it the lessor of 2 evils but it is what it is.

[stlaser]

Yeah, but I'm not arguing that point JR. What I'm saying is this is WWF,  pure entertainment & fiction to keep the population entertained. By voting I'm saying I believe it is legitimate & I don't, sorry.

[OldKooT]

I have no opinion except the following.

The only reality to the present horse n donkey show is that one will become president. He will have a non cooperative house and senate that only listens to the most powerful lobbying group with the loudest voice and the largest bankroll. So....we the people need to be the largest voice, and the largest bank roll. See it's simple....

[JR]

Yes Koot, that is very true. One will win and little will get done unless they take more from us.

However, believe in it or not, they still count votes. Sometimes more than once so lost votes count even more.

[stlaser]

& sometimes they count them w/ a lot of fuzzy math added in where there ends up being more votes per county than the population of said county..... ::)

[Atkinsmatt]

I know it is easy to say but that is why we need to be involved.  Citizenship is work.  Self education is required to make a meaningful difference.  If we let someone else do it, it will be done their way with no input from us.

[stlaser]

I might agree w/ that at the local level only.

[Atkinsmatt]

I think all politics start local.  The issues don't start in Washington but happen or start with someone at the city or county level and slowly progress.

[stlaser]

I think all politics start local.  The issues don't start in Washington but happen or start with someone at the city or county level and slowly progress.

I'll agree that even at the local level it can be pretty corrupt. Most of my dealings with local elected officials was through the county planning dept. I have personally been on the receiving end of their politics & as TRN put it the "quid pro quo" game that I refuse to play. I will not lower myself to operating in that fashion. I understand in some circles that is the only way to operate & am thankful I do not work in those circles. Either I hire someone to complete job X for a fair price or I am hired to do job X for a fair price. That is where it ends for me.

[stlaser]

More WWF action......


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-16/its-rotten-system-ron-paul-us-elections-are-rigged-voting-simply-used-pacify-public

[Dawg25385]

How pissed would you be if you were a Sanders supporter, and your state overwhelmingly favored him in your primary... and then all the state's delegates went to Clinton. The 'democrat' party sure ain't very democrat-IC.

[stlaser]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-30/electronic-voting-machines-why-voters-should-be-suspicious-every-election