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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2017, 11:06:03 PM »
I'm having a hard time getting momentum going, I keep running into roadblocks. For example, I wanted to mount the aux fuel tank fuel level gage, but didn't have a cup, and I couldn't find a spot I liked to mount the thing.

So I moved to the drivers door panel. The plywood I purchased a year ago for the project has warped slightly, but worst of all, it was too small a section to make a full panel! ERRRRRR>>>>

I initially wanted to get the brake lines reinstalled, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to adapt the new 3/16" brake lines to the factory proportioning valve.

I am holding to the plan to get the brakes working, the transmission showing a desire to move and the thing generally ready to pull onto a trailer, then take it to a specialist to get the engine sorted.

Don if you can wait until Monday I will send a list of everything you need

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« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2017, 08:10:31 AM »
I'm having a hard time getting momentum going, I keep running into roadblocks. For example, I wanted to mount the aux fuel tank fuel level gage, but didn't have a cup, and I couldn't find a spot I liked to mount the thing.

So I moved to the drivers door panel. The plywood I purchased a year ago for the project has warped slightly, but worst of all, it was too small a section to make a full panel! ERRRRRR>>>>

I initially wanted to get the brake lines reinstalled, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to adapt the new 3/16" brake lines to the factory proportioning valve.

I am holding to the plan to get the brakes working, the transmission showing a desire to move and the thing generally ready to pull onto a trailer, then take it to a specialist to get the engine sorted.

Don if you can wait until Monday I will send a list of everything you need
Phil,

Great, I'll wait.

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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2017, 08:12:58 AM »
Here is the Fuel pressure gage I selected:

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« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2017, 08:19:20 AM »
Realistically the dash could be last, or I guess would be if it was my project.
It could be, but with my running out of space for stuff and the need for two more gages, it's time.

However getting the truck to motivate is first.

With the fuel pressure gage installed I can get a good read on the health of the injection pump. If that's faulty, I'll just pull it myself and save the trip to the tuner. Find a reputable shop, tell them what I want the engine to do, then start signing checks.

Be a good write-up if nothing else.

I'm also still sniffing around the silverado rear springs. 64" vs 52"  Shackle flip, vs factory under-slung configuration. More load capacity from the silvy springs...lots of grindin' and fine little metal filings in my hair skin and eyeballs...What's not to like about that?
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2017, 03:07:39 PM »
I'm having a hard time getting momentum going, I keep running into roadblocks. For example, I wanted to mount the aux fuel tank fuel level gage, but didn't have a cup, and I couldn't find a spot I liked to mount the thing.

So I moved to the drivers door panel. The plywood I purchased a year ago for the project has warped slightly, but worst of all, it was too small a section to make a full panel! ERRRRRR>>>>

I initially wanted to get the brake lines reinstalled, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to adapt the new 3/16" brake lines to the factory proportioning valve.

I am holding to the plan to get the brakes working, the transmission showing a desire to move and the thing generally ready to pull onto a trailer, then take it to a specialist to get the engine sorted.

Don if you can wait until Monday I will send a list of everything you need
Phil,

Great, I'll wait.

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Don, before I send you down the Redneck engineering route, this tubing is what your taking about? that you need help with?

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« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2017, 05:29:53 PM »
Phil,

Yes, the prop. Valve is pictured in your first photo. Except that mine looks different (3/4T W250 vs 1/2T RC??) and is located inside the frame "C" which in my case, is now boxed in.
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« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2017, 06:05:29 PM »
Nope you have the early design then, mine is straight off a 1992 W250

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« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2017, 06:43:15 PM »
How does that change your recommendations, Phil?

Different technology in my truck?
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2017, 07:32:20 PM »
It dose not, I hate those inverted flare fittings they use on cars.  I converted everything downstream of the "quad" fitting to AN and SS lines.  Only use the factory stuff because I had it and was in good shape.

https://www.anplumbing.com/adapters/brake-adapters.html

Thease are the adapters I used and I ran -3 AN lines

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https://www.anplumbing.com/adapters/a-n-steel-adapters.html


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« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2017, 08:51:30 PM »
Ah yes, AN fittings...

I could do that, never thought of that. Was trying to keep if close to the factory configuration, steel lines.
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« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2017, 09:31:41 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2017, 09:33:52 PM »
That need to go on my wish list!

I like the AN too, plus you can repair anywhere.
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« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2017, 09:48:36 PM »
On all my off road trucks I swap the lines & fittings to AN, it's just good insurance. If you blow a flex hose etc on the trail you can disconnect, pull a spare cap from the tool bag to isolate said line & keep on going with a three brake motion.......

Being that this is supposed to be bug out vehicle it should get the same treatment, granted it may never get finished in time but that's not the point here now is it?

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« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2017, 09:57:54 PM »
Get one of these, or go to the parts house and sift through theirs with valve and line in hand. You have a flaring tool don't ya?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/kti-00048?seid=srese1&cm_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-k-tool-international&gclid=CjwKEAiArvTFBRCLq5-7-MSJ0jMSJABHBvp0_9bsXsOLA25fIqBvW3JIXtdbmYwj1PuTuMMilvu-GhoC5Vnw_wcB
Didn't know that existed

I'll think about how I want to do it tomorrow

I'm sitting here thinking about what the effect might be to just can the prop valve...

I have the adjustable valve installed in the rear line already

But the proportional valve allows for a variance of pressure to the rear brakes as set hydrauically, by the front line pressure. Do I have that right?

I recall my 1987 W150 as having a front to rear swap problem. Sometimes I'd hit the brakes in that truck and wham-o, just like that, I'd be facing the opposite direction wondering why I was doing 35 in reverse!
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« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2017, 09:59:09 PM »
On all my off road trucks I swap the lines & fittings to AN, it's just good insurance. If you blow a flex hose etc on the trail you can disconnect, pull a spare cap from the tool bag to isolate said line & keep on going with a three brake motion.......

Being that this is supposed to be bug out vehicle it should get the same treatment, granted it may never get finished in time but that's not the point here now is it?

 :popcorn:
Not any more!

If the end comes I think I'll just stand outside and get nuked like everyone else!
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« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2017, 10:16:07 PM »
C'mon, nobody wants to nuke the Cincinnati area, it's a sanctuary city, all peace and love and all that.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2017, 10:37:23 PM »
On all my off road trucks I swap the lines & fittings to AN, it's just good insurance. If you blow a flex hose etc on the trail you can disconnect, pull a spare cap from the tool bag to isolate said line & keep on going with a three brake motion.......

Being that this is supposed to be bug out vehicle it should get the same treatment, granted it may never get finished in time but that's not the point here now is it?

 :popcorn:
Not any more!

If the end comes I think I'll just stand outside and get nuked like everyone else!

Honestly, if I ever get to the axle swap it will be part of that upgrade.
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« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2017, 11:38:57 PM »
maybe you guys got one too. But I just got a $25 off for summit  :likebutton:
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« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2017, 09:08:33 AM »
^^^What Shawn said^^^^

Phil, putting my summit order together. Will be a conversion to AN fittings, that just makes good sense

Two different parts, one of each? Or some other combo?

Another thought...Should I buy a new prop valve? You may recall that somewhere along the way, I pulled mine apart and cleaned the thing and installed new O-rings. New, or go with as-is?

Remember, I am likely looking at buying a new or rebuilt injection pump for the 6BT that continues to smoke me out...
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« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2017, 11:37:59 AM »
Hey Don, couple things

I would go with the prop valve you have for the time being, you can always use the fittings even if you go to a different prop valve you can reuse the fittings, are you just going to convert those areas or the whole system down stream of the valve?

Don't forget AN fittings are 37degree flare, ALSO remember the valve you installed for the rear is not a prop valve its a metering valve, there is a big difference so be aware of how you think and what it actually dose.

For your IP PLEASE check the oblivious first, get some gauges and make sure you have good pressure AND flow going to the IP.  Don't make your life more difficult than it already is.   it took me a long time to get my RC correct but now I would have no problem jumping in and driving cross country or Alaska again.

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« Reply #70 on: March 07, 2017, 11:57:29 AM »
Don, summit has some really cool push together type lines that might work well on that. You don't need high pressure, just fuel lines.

I have some myself for the new coolers on the dmax.
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« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2017, 02:33:39 PM »
Hey Don, couple things

I would go with the prop valve you have for the time being, you can always use the fittings even if you go to a different prop valve you can reuse the fittings, are you just going to convert those areas or the whole system down stream of the valve?

Don't forget AN fittings are 37degree flare, ALSO remember the valve you installed for the rear is not a prop valve its a metering valve, there is a big difference so be aware of how you think and what it actually dose.

For your IP PLEASE check the oblivious first, get some gauges and make sure you have good pressure AND flow going to the IP.  Don't make your life more difficult than it already is.   it took me a long time to get my RC correct but now I would have no problem jumping in and driving cross country or Alaska again.
Copy all
I know about the AN thing, have used it for decades

I might go from the prop valve to a compression fitting/AN adapter fitting and run a shorter piece of high press AN nylon line instead of running the whole length. Summit is two days out max so will have this bird cooked this week.

Inj pump...Well I have checked everything and it is all checking out. It acts approximately the same as it did on the first time I started it up. I even pulled the pump down a bit to check things. On that check we discovered some very fine brass fillings in one of the chambers of the whatever it is called valve that bolts to the injection line itself.

I'll get it...
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« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2017, 02:34:43 PM »
Don, summit has some really cool push together type lines that might work well on that. You don't need high pressure, just fuel lines.

I have some myself for the new coolers on the dmax.
For the brake lines???

That part of the system runs at 1200 psi...

High pressure nylon core lines are called for here my friend!
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« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2017, 02:39:20 PM »
I meant the fuel system you keep working on since D isn't up yet.

Of course not big AN for your power brakes, unless you go air brakes!!
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« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2017, 04:49:22 PM »
I meant the fuel system you keep working on since D isn't up yet.

Of course not big AN for your power brakes, unless you go air brakes!!
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« Reply #75 on: March 09, 2017, 12:00:49 PM »
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« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2017, 08:15:58 PM »
I really should have gotten after the brakes or the fuel pressure gage, but I wanted to get the door panel on with some real live door handles, and that long awaited mount for the shotgun I have talked about.

The plan was to create a new plywood panel encased in fiberglass and finished to serve as the mount. I went as far as to cut out a panel, but when fitting it, I discovered the interior door panel is not flat, but has several protrusions. That all but makes a solid panel unbuidable (Easily) and since I didn't want another long winded project on this truck, I abandoned it
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« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2017, 08:17:14 PM »
I ended up drilling the factory panel and used stainless allen head screws to fasten it to the door. Probably should have done this in the first place
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« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2017, 08:18:59 PM »
If you look at the bottom aft corner closely, you may notice some threaded studs sticking through the holes in the panel. Reason is, they will serve to fasten the lower muzzle catch for the 12 gage which will live there in the near future.
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« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2017, 10:04:14 PM »
So, the shotgun will be mounted so when you open the door you can shoot it right   :cool:

WOuld work great for driving too, just crack the door and let go  :likebutton:
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« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2017, 05:48:21 PM »
So, the shotgun will be mounted so when you open the door you can shoot it right   :cool:

WOuld work great for driving too, just crack the door and let go  :likebutton:
Grab and go
Muzzle fits into lower mount
I'll cut an access into the elbow rest and create some apparatus to hold it in place. When the door is opened on exit one could simply pull it out to deploy...simple
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« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2017, 07:57:58 PM »
So, the shotgun will be mounted so when you open the door you can shoot it right   :cool:

WOuld work great for driving too, just crack the door and let go  :likebutton:
Grab and go
Muzzle fits into lower mount
I'll cut an access into the elbow rest and create some apparatus to hold it in place. When the door is opened on exit one could simply pull it out to deploy...simple

I like the idea, great for you right handed guys....
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« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2017, 08:50:20 PM »
Old biker trick was to load a shell into the handlebars. You would drive by or walk up and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

In the door is a good idea, but think of the options?
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« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2017, 12:09:43 AM »
Flying6,

I haven't got a chance to read everything since I've been off the grid. What's going on with the Cummins? I'm factory certified in B models, so let me know what I can do to help.

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« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2017, 12:52:35 AM »
Lane, check out the 719 thread.

Where you been hiding?
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« Reply #85 on: March 21, 2017, 12:49:45 AM »






Building this....

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« Reply #86 on: March 21, 2017, 01:01:34 AM »
I bet it runs too,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #87 on: March 21, 2017, 01:06:34 AM »
Lol well i am a cummins mechanic....i would hope so.
I drive it everyday to work. Shes my baby.

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« Reply #88 on: March 21, 2017, 07:00:32 AM »
I bet it runs too,,,,,,,,,

Shots fired....shots fired......

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« Reply #89 on: March 21, 2017, 07:28:08 AM »
Lol well i am a cummins mechanic....i would hope so.
I drive it everyday to work. Shes my baby.

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« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2017, 08:11:09 AM »
Nice truck,  :likebutton:

Please continue, sorry to interrupt the entertainment...... :popcorn:
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« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2017, 09:49:30 AM »
Lost this thread too I see...
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« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2017, 10:54:10 AM »
Lol sorry Don.

What going on with the Cummins? Does it run or it runs rough?

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« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2017, 11:12:56 AM »
Lol sorry Don.

What going on with the Cummins? Does it run or it runs rough?
Hey chief, this may be your guy...

Tlane, if you start at the beginning of this thread it has some if not all the issues.
I don't remember it all, but lots of white smoke, rough idle, no acceleration from idle etc.
If it's not all in this thread it's unfortunately in one of the previous three.
I suspect if Don calls it could be summed up rather easily.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2017, 12:51:19 PM »
Lol sorry Don.

What going on with the Cummins? Does it run or it runs rough?
Like Sam stated, lots of detailed information throughout this thread, but in essence
I have checked and double checked the timing. I believe we set it at 16 degrees, but it's been so long I may not be correct about that
I pulled and replaced the pressure regulator valve on the output of the Bosch injection pump
I replaced the lift pump
and
checked the pressure, which I believe I have detailed with pics earlier. It was good at idle
When I try to rev the thing it just coughs and sputters and almost refuses to really rev up much
It blows out carpets of fuel rich white smoke
It occasionally makes a mechanical sound, something like the starter being bumped against a running engine.
I do not like that sound.
Oil pressure is normal
Fuel is fresh
I have a dual line inlet
and way back when, I recall when I was installing that dual line, the front plug was torqued to like one million ft/lbs. I had a big 1/2? breaker bar to finally break it loose. When It let go it did so with a shriek, almost a breaking sound. I thought at that time that I actually broke the injection pump apart. But the motor started, and the pump doesn't leak, so I suppose the pump may be OK.
The turbo revs very quickly (Small exhaust housing)
The motor does the same thing with either the marine injectors or the stockers, no appreciable difference
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2017, 12:56:11 PM »
I have a fuel pressure gage sitting on my desk awaiting install, but presently I have a saw-mill to assemble and install down at the farm

Norm suggested the injectors don't seem to be reaching their pop pressure meaning the inj pump is toast
Pump:
Laser fully cut delivery valves
4000 RPM spring
#5 fuel plate
Dual fuel inlet
Factory lift pump, fed by two lift pumps making around 5-6 psi before the mechanical pump, no restrictions, 1/2" fuel line
Factory injector lines
New Bosch Marine injectors
Fresh motor, just over hauled
Marine pistons
Head studs
Good gaskets
Stock bore size
3 angle valve job
150# valve springs
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #96 on: March 21, 2017, 01:16:19 PM »
3 things.

1. I've been watching Square D since before this forum was created and have read all the pages. Theres alot of reading! Lol so that summary helps.
2. White smoke = unburnt fuel. So with that being said the pump pressure either sucks, or its out of time by a tooth.
3.get me the engine serial number. 8 digits, probably starts with 7. And i will check out the pump specs on Quickserve.

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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #97 on: March 21, 2017, 01:52:04 PM »
Well, the sticker on the top side of the timing gear case is gone

The long factory tag below that has all sorts of information

I noticed an "Engine no. 5623981"

It has a build date of 03-28-95

And I noticed the timing was indicated to be 12.5 BTDC

There is an engine family number, a catalyst number, and a rather long "reference number"

But no serial number. I think I recall seeing that on the tag that was scraped off when I tightened on that front fuel feed line
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #98 on: March 21, 2017, 02:55:51 PM »
Timing,,,,,,,,,, :popcorn:
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2017, 07:12:16 PM »
Pay no mind to the 12.5. Engine number is your Engine Serial number. So let me see what i can dig up

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