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Re: SquareD Part 4 Here's where we depart the rebuild and start the big change
« Reply #100 on: October 05, 2014, 05:08:40 PM »
From FBJR:

Don, why not just go to softer or longer front springs?

Keep it simple and not re-inventing the wheel with a coil over front and all that goes with it. You could even flatten them out some or stretch them by just moving the mounts. Maybe something "over the counter" for the springs meaning repairing or replacing in bad times is far easier.

Yeah, hands "on" per say is not as easy as it was say 20 years ago when the Sgt would only grunt as I went by dragging some banger. Of course that was when I worked inside

Slow down on the dmax build!! I am only to page 630  So much input I would have like to ad at the time, but I haven't spoiled the end.
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« Reply #101 on: October 05, 2014, 05:10:31 PM »
Yesterday I decided to take the truck bed up to a chemical stripper operation in Cincy instead of messing with it myself.
To be able to do that, I needed my trailer back.

That trailer was getting covered up with pieces of scrap steel and that old Dana 70. So I hauled it over to the scrap yard yesterday and they paid me $125!!!!!!!!!

So, I filled up my tank in Combat Max for free, sorta!
Now I have a trailer and today, I'll unbolt that truck bed and see what I need to do to lift it.
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« Reply #102 on: October 05, 2014, 05:11:26 PM »
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Did I read this correctly that now your going to upgrade the very reliable sq D front end to coil overs? I realize I pestered the heck out of you about the duramax but I guess I just don't see why you would want to put a hydraulic shock up under the front end which would make it in the long run a weak point. I know we had this discussion before and I like the 4 link idea and coil springs but your asking for a problem possibly with the coil overs. Not to mention this just increased your project costs upward quite a bit. Cool build, old school that everyone could afford over time and this doesn't really seem to fit the theme. Again just my opinion.


Shawn,
First, yep, I'm upgrading it
The problem here with coils is with available room. The earlier right drop D60's in these square body trucks are a bit narrow and looking at a 5"-6" or larger coil like we see in the second gen Dodges, I just won't have the room to get that done.
The coil over was my second choice with simple coil springs being my first, but I just don't think I'll be able to squeeze it all in there. That's why the jump all the way to coil overs

The expense isn't that much more really. With coils I'd need to purchase top and bottom spring buckets for a couple hundred and the coil springs again, for a couple hundred. Say I got away with $500. Well, the Coil overs are not much more than twice that, say an additional$700. SO I'd be doing a professional grade desert racing coil-over for $700. Then the coil-over simplifies the design enormously. Do a top hoop, which I already have, and a bottom tab and it's done!

Anyway, that's why and how...
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« Reply #103 on: October 05, 2014, 05:12:42 PM »
Well there won't be much of an update tonight.
But I did spend some time on the phone with some diesel specialists talking about how best to handle the build up of the power plant. It seems 400HP is going to be pretty tough, but a 6K truck making 350/750 is still going to be spirited.

I spent the working portion of today switching both sides caliper brackets and calipers to get the orientation correct.
That's behind me now, essentially a lost day but all corrected now!
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« Reply #104 on: October 05, 2014, 05:13:40 PM »
I think I'm about to get into some open country running with this project. Up to this point the majority of the work has been reconditioning, rebuilding and so forth.

With the removal of the bed, the innovating will start to arrive. Yes, there is still some reconditioning needed, but mixed with that will be some cool body work stuff that gets that thing started toward being OD green, then many other cool projects.

The front link and coilover will set it apart from 95% of the other square body trucks out there.

Then will come the tasteful engine mods which will almost triple the power output. Later on during Mod 1 or 2, the single turbo will turn into a compound setup.

I have been busy researching and sketching out ideas and concepts for the bumper(s)
What I am seeing there is a bumper "System" that not only does everything a bumper on steroids does, but integrates into the truck and the vehicle as well, forming the basis for a future exo-skeleton. The rear bumper will get a spare tire and fuel can rack right out of the gate, as that is necessary to meet the initial goal of being a backup survival or "bug out" vehicle. They will wrap around the front and rear and be attached to the frame in numerous places, both providing protection and strengthening the chassis and frame. I plan to add lifting points and jacking points as well. My concept there is to fab up some sort of hole that the hi-lift jack fits perfectly into and maybe locks into as well. So if you're stuck, plug in the jack, give it a few strokes, and throw a rock under the wheel and you're out.

Anyway, the projects are stacking up and it's looking like a pretty good winter fab season coming up! 

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« Reply #105 on: October 05, 2014, 05:14:53 PM »
So lets get started

First I drove around and picked up the new driveshaft with 1410 joints throughout.
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« Reply #106 on: October 05, 2014, 05:15:37 PM »
It got the prep treatment then some acrylic primer and a little time in the hanging jungle
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« Reply #107 on: October 05, 2014, 05:16:18 PM »
Then several coats of acrylic enamel with hardener

It will likely be installed tomorrow
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« Reply #108 on: October 05, 2014, 05:17:24 PM »
The lug nuts came in. 32 splined 9/16 X 18 in black thank you berry much!

And they fit front and back...Whew!!!
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« Reply #109 on: October 05, 2014, 05:18:35 PM »
I did this for Nate!

Figured he'd develop hives if he didn't see the wheels mounted soon!

Bro, hope this helps!
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« Reply #110 on: October 05, 2014, 05:19:46 PM »
Personally, I am a bit disappointed!

The offset is too negative and those tires are just too small

I hate that I did that and didn't wait

Not sure I can go with this...

I give it a thumbs level to slightly down
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« Reply #111 on: October 05, 2014, 05:20:22 PM »
Well it finally was time to unbolt and remove the bed.

Eight of these holds the bed to the frame:
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« Reply #112 on: October 05, 2014, 05:21:51 PM »
They came out easy and fast.

I pulled the rear lenses out then it was time to rig it for the big pull.

I used 2 X 6's as spreaders and laced rope in and out of the stake pockets to the two halves of my tractor's 4 in 1 bucket
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« Reply #113 on: October 05, 2014, 05:23:06 PM »
Then came the lift. slow and methodical...
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« Reply #115 on: October 05, 2014, 05:24:54 PM »
With that tractor and it's very capable hydraulics, that lift was a non event!

So here's what was under that bed:
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« Reply #116 on: October 05, 2014, 05:25:49 PM »
All in all, the frame is looking pretty good. I'll get a better look at it tomorrow, and especially when I get the tank pulled off which might happen tomorrow as well. Depends on how much time I have after taking things up to the strippers

Some more detail shots:
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« Reply #117 on: October 05, 2014, 05:26:50 PM »
So, I'm off looking for wheels

I think I learned my lesson here

Screwed up

I'm looking for some simple steelies but after viewing the black Rock wheels the least back spacing I can find was 4.5" on a 17 X 9" wheel

Screw it, I think I'll just go with a 35" tire.

That's what I know...
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« Reply #118 on: October 05, 2014, 05:28:29 PM »
Then Shawn suggested:

They're called H1 wheels and they are a lot more tractor like than that front suspension your designing for this Sq D "tractor powered rig". Not to mention they may make those weak coil overs hang in there just a bit longer in a survival type environment because they are just that stout.
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« Reply #119 on: October 05, 2014, 05:30:14 PM »
Today I got the bed up to Cincinnati to the metal stripper operation

Mark, there, said it would take about 2 weeks. Hmmm, same amount of time to get anything done on my house by any contractor I ever talked to...!
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« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2014, 05:30:50 PM »
The process apparently starts here with pressure cleaning.
After looking at what I had, they told me they would likely forgo this step.

Here an entire hot rod frame and running gear is getting the treatment
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« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2014, 05:31:35 PM »
Then it is dunked into one or both of these tanks.

I believe Jimmy Hoffa is residing in the mirky brown tank!
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« Reply #122 on: October 05, 2014, 05:32:43 PM »
From Dustoff35

You get to wait in line like everyone else! The process itself doesn't take that long. Don't be surprised if you get a call earlier than expected telling you that its done...

Back when I was at Fort Campbell, the group I was running with was into frame-off restorations. I had a '73 BB Corvette (Don, you remember that one, don't you?), another guy had a '69 BB Corvette and yet another had a '68 SS RS Camaro. We all used a place east of Nashville, Metal Strip, to clean-up and de-scale our frames, sub-frames and a myriad of other parts.

You will be very happy with the results.

Just make sure you get all of the hidden areas coated with something before the bed goes back on. We used a kit from Eastwood that allowed us to coat the inside of the boxed frames with some kind of anti-rust formulation. The kit had long, hard tubes with 360 degree spray nozzles and long runs of vinyl tubing with the same 360 nozzles that allowed you to get the anti-rust stuff into tight areas.
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« Reply #123 on: October 05, 2014, 05:33:14 PM »
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You get to wait in line like everyone else! The process itself doesn't take that long. Don't be surprised if you get a call earlier than expected telling you that its done...

Back when I was at Fort Campbell, the group I was running with was into frame-off restorations. I had a '73 BB Corvette (Don, you remember that one, don't you?), another guy had a '69 BB Corvette and yet another had a '68 SS RS Camaro. We all used a place east of Nashville, Metal Strip, to clean-up and de-scale our frames, sub-frames and a myriad of other parts.

You will be very happy with the results.

Just make sure you get all of the hidden areas coated with something before the bed goes back on. We used a kit from Eastwood that allowed us to coat the inside of the boxed frames with some kind of anti-rust formulation. The kit had long, hard tubes with 360 degree spray nozzles and long runs of vinyl tubing with the same 360 nozzles that allowed you to get the anti-rust stuff into tight areas.

Bro, I'm all over it.
Eastwood has some kits but everything they sell is repackaged and with the price pumped up. I'll get the good stuff!
You can be the consultant!
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« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2014, 05:33:46 PM »
losing the battle once again to the parts demon. Parts are streaming in, but I am into the labor intensive stuff now, so the BRI (Box reduction initiative) effort is lagging.

Made a decision with a very helpful gentleman last night about how to manage the power increase. It was decided to do it in two stages. Stage 1 will modify the stock turbo. I'll rebuild the center section then add a much larger 60mm compressor and a 14cm exhaust housing. I'll back that up with a set of custom 90 horsepower injectors and what is becoming some more extensive injection pump modifications. It will also get the addition of a Ford Power-stroke intercooler and some custom plumbing by Don.

Along with everything else this will get me up to around 350 HP and 750ish for the torque. At this initial point it will feel much quicker that a stock D-Max since this Dodge weighs in around 6,000 as opposed to the 8700 for my truck.

So let's assume I am making 350HP and 750 torque with the Dodge which weighs 6,000 lbs.
6000/350 = 17.14 pounds per hp
6000/750 = 8.00 pounds per ft/lb of torque

Stock LML 400HP 765 Torque, 8000 lbs
8000/400 = 20.0 pounds per hp
8000/765 = 10.45 pounds per ft/lb of torque

My built LML 525HP 1000 torque, 8700 lbs
8700/525 = 16.57 pounds per hp
8700/1000 = 8.70 pounds per ft/lb of torque

Torque is what actually propels an object and Horsepower maintains that speed
The lower the number, the faster it feels

With these simple upgrades to Square D in stage 1 and that truck will feel about the same to a little quicker than the LML were it not for the fact that the Chevy enjoys 6 wonderfully moderated gears in a transmission and a steep 4.56 gear ratio.
So I'd put my money on the heavier Chevy for now,
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« Reply #125 on: October 05, 2014, 05:34:06 PM »
But
In stage 2 of the build
The Cummins will get an O-ringed head, be ported, better valve springs, another injector upgrade to accommodate all the extra air delivered from a second turbocharger.
That setup will likely require an exotic injector pump mod which is seldom seen but enables 600-700 RWHP and 1500 or more torque. At that point the truck will literally become a race truck if I should choose and power anything I wish to do. It will take a twin pumped and compounded up D-Max in my heavy Chevy to keep up!
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« Reply #126 on: October 05, 2014, 05:34:46 PM »
From jms89:

If you go all out in stage 2 chances are you may need to change to a p pump. There was actually a black extended cab square dodge in this months diesel power magazine. I think the owner is from Northern Kentucky actually. I believe he is in the process of converting to a p pump. Either way, these old square dodges seem to be increasing in popularity lately! I can't wait to see this thing making north of 500 horse!
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« Reply #127 on: October 05, 2014, 05:35:39 PM »
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If you go all out in stage 2 chances are you may need to change to a p pump. There was actually a black extended cab square dodge in this months diesel power magazine. I think the owner is from Northern Kentucky actually. I believe he is in the process of converting to a p pump. Either way, these old square dodges seem to be increasing in popularity lately! I can't wait to see this thing making north of 500 horse!

The VE pump this early Cummins motor has is actually known to be easier starting in all climates than the P-Pump. I watched a vid of a guy who had his Dodge sitting for so long when he opened the hood the weeds had nearly overgrown the motor. He hooks up the jumper cables and just bumped the starter and it fired and ran normally.
Additionally, the VE pump will run fuel with waste engine oil mixed in some quantity in the fuel! It is a true multifuel engine because of that pump.
The real limiting factor is the lower pressure it produces, around 17,000 psi. But with much larger injectors and a 14mm hat, guys are making over 600 HP already with a VE pump. Frankly 500 HP with the lighter truck is going to be a traction limited vehicle, although I will add about 1000 pounds to it over the build.
I will not be changing over to a P-Pump after spending all this money on VE pump stuff. If I were going for a 1000HP motor, I would have already.
Nope Mr. VE pump is staying put!



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« Reply #128 on: October 05, 2014, 05:36:54 PM »
Got the truck torn down some more

I started with the removal of the fuel filler and cleaning up of the fuel tank cap
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« Reply #129 on: October 05, 2014, 05:37:39 PM »
It will all get a better scrubbing but this will keep the work area a bit cleaner.

Next I dropper the factory rear bumper. It will not be returning for duty!
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« Reply #130 on: October 05, 2014, 05:38:18 PM »
I drilled a hole in the bottom of the fuel tank where the sump will be going in. Over 15 gallons of diesel came running out. I was ready for 10!

So, the floor got degreased while I ran off to get a bucket which also filled up.

I transferred it all into my heater and the Combat-Max
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« Reply #131 on: October 05, 2014, 05:39:16 PM »
the tow hitch came off. It, too, will not be returning. The backend will be getting an integrated bumper tow hitch deal soon.

The truck just got much shorter!
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« Reply #132 on: October 05, 2014, 05:39:59 PM »
Next the tank fuel pick up and level device was removed. Even it had some rust on it!
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« Reply #133 on: October 05, 2014, 05:40:56 PM »
I wasn't too happy with the inside of the tank!
I am feeling better all the time about my decision to just dive into this thing and renew everything
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« Reply #134 on: October 05, 2014, 05:41:56 PM »
That will all be gone and spic and span when I get done cleaning it up and modifying it.

So next the tank itself came out
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« Reply #135 on: October 05, 2014, 05:42:45 PM »
Pulling the fuel tank was necessary to gain access to the frame so I could run new fuel and brake lines and eliminate that rust.

All in all, the rust is superficial and will be easy to remove. I'm just not going to want to be me while grinding all that junk out of there. That is one dirty job!

The early anti lock brakes was actually a rear anti lock system. I have explained it earlier somewhere. This is the valve that dumps the pressure to the rear brakes and it is about as reliable as our commander in chief, so I'm removing it. Hey, that gives me an idea...!
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« Reply #136 on: October 05, 2014, 05:43:25 PM »
The old fuel lines...No-go!
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« Reply #137 on: October 05, 2014, 05:44:05 PM »
Old brake lines: Same story!
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« Reply #140 on: October 05, 2014, 05:47:11 PM »
And this is how it sits at the end of build day 49
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« Reply #141 on: October 05, 2014, 05:48:01 PM »
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In anticipation of that much torque, might you want to box the frame now, while its accessible? Look at how well-designed and well-built the D-max frame is compared to D^2. The engineering and manufacturing process that produces these truck chassis has come a long way in 20+ years... So has the torque potential of the diesel engines.

Yet another reason to pull the cab and do the frame (the very foundation of your truck!).

I hear ya!

I'll box and plate the front where the coil-over operation is going in. I'll likely plate the "Hump" area as well. By the time this truck gets the full bumper/rock rail side armor system I am envisioning, it will have the equivalent of a second frame.
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Re: SquareD Part 4 Here's where we depart the rebuild and start the big change
« Reply #142 on: October 05, 2014, 05:49:02 PM »
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You could pull the cab & engine and take the frame to metal strip...

I'm sure the sections under the cab & cowl area are just as rusty...

I know its gonna bother you, that untouched rusty frame section...

that you are eventually gonna link and coil-over...


You're right, I don't like having any rust anywhere, But I don't think I need to pull it all apart. I am going to touch all areas on this truck as the projects move all over the place. Eventually it will all have been cleaned up, coated, repainted, restored, renewed, or blessed.
I plan to bolt on new body bushings so I'll do the tops of the frame rails then Grand National style. On that car (Remember the 86GN?) I'd remove one side of the body bolts and loosen the other side, then jack the body up a foot on the one side, then repaint/repair as necessary, then repeat on the opposite side.
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Re: SquareD Part 4 Here's where we depart the rebuild and start the big change
« Reply #143 on: October 05, 2014, 05:49:45 PM »
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I don't know...

If he were going to do just a stock rebuild / refurbishment I think it would be OK.

Now he is talking coil-overs and tripling the HP and TQ on a rusty, stock but nonetheless structurally sound 23 year old frame; that was designed to handle 180hp and 300lb ft for up to 100,000 miles and/or 10 years and then go directly to the junkyard.

Just one man's opinion...

As for sending this project into a tailspin? Not a chance. I've known this guy for a long time. He will get it done. He will persevere. He just needs some "Ponder Time" to mull this over.

Normally, I'd agree to tear down and send a semi full of stuff to the chem strippers. But I have gotten to a lot of the frame already with house spent with the wire grinder. Only the severely limited access areas are somewhat untouched. Remember, I blasted it with high pressure hot water for hours, then brushed rust converter on. Granted that just neutralizes the upper stratum of rust layers, but when you put the mech grinder to it, then treat, you are down to parent metal and putting as good a finish as you can down. That is what I will end up doing.
I'm not bolting new lines down onto any unprepared surface, forget that. If I am going to all this trouble, I want it to remain at least relatively rust free, although it will get and stay dirty.
I think the way I am attacking this particular truck is the correct way.
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Re: SquareD Part 4 Here's where we depart the rebuild and start the big change
« Reply #144 on: October 05, 2014, 05:51:13 PM »
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Normally, I'd agree to tear down and send a semi full of stuff to the chem strippers. But I have gotten to a lot of the frame already with house spent with the wire grinder. Only the severely limited access areas are somewhat untouched. Remember, I blasted it with high pressure hot water for hours, then brushed rust converter on. Granted that just neutralizes the upper stratum of rust layers, but when you put the mech grinder to it, then treat, you are down to parent metal and putting as good a finish as you can down. That is what I will end up doing.
I'm not bolting new lines down onto any unprepared surface, forget that. If I am going to all this trouble, I want it to remain at least relatively rust free, although it will get and stay dirty.
I think the way I am attacking this particular truck is the correct way.


You have definitely put in a lot of time mechanically removing the rust and re-coating the accessible areas. It is nasty work. You are probably 50% to where you want to be in regards to frame cleanliness. I think you probably would have gone the chemical strip route from the beginning if you knew then how deep into it you were going to go. Had I known, I certainly would have encouraged you to go in that direction. (Remember that Strategic / Tactical planning discussion we had last week?)

I've done frame restorations both ways and I'm telling you, nothing beats just dis-assembling, taking all the big parts to the chemical strippers and picking up like-new parts a week or so later. During the time the big parts are at the strippers, You can work on all the small stuff in a FUNCTIONING BLAST CABINET!

At this point its probably a wash with all the hours you've logged behind that wire wheel...

Those x-members do need some serious attention; that is where you will either incur or eliminate most of your flex and torsion/twisting. Even in like-new condition I don't think those x-members are up to the job. I know you can fab up something better...

Remember "The Warwagon" build on 4BT Swaps? Now those were/are x-members...

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showth...536#post165536
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Re: SquareD Part 4 Here's where we depart the rebuild and start the big change
« Reply #145 on: October 05, 2014, 05:52:00 PM »
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SQD needs a wheel/tire setup like that warwagon! 


I'm thinking more and more I need to just get some surplus HMMV wheels and 37" Armee tires. re-center the wheels and mount them up.
Less expensive and the truck really will need larger diameter tires.

Note here: I seem to be bypassing Restoration level one and going straight to mod 1 +
That means I have purchased a bunch of parts I will not be using!
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« Reply #146 on: October 05, 2014, 05:53:22 PM »
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Sqaure d coming right along...

Looks a lot better with that bed off. A lot easier to progress now...

Wait till you see it now after 8 hours of rust removal and about a million megawatts of electricity!

Heck, let's get started

First up was the removal of the fuel lines and brake lines and the rear anti lock valve
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Re: SquareD Part 4 Here's where we depart the rebuild and start the big change
« Reply #147 on: October 05, 2014, 05:54:05 PM »
The frame has a lot of surface rust and some deeper pitting on the aft cross member, but it is down to just itself at this point
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« Reply #148 on: October 05, 2014, 05:55:09 PM »
With hopes of removing the rust from the filler neck, I pulled that assembly apart
I can't believe it was that nasty inside that thing!
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« Reply #149 on: October 05, 2014, 05:55:59 PM »
I'm going to see if anyone makes new filler neck assemblies, Even with bead blasting, that thing will not be making me happy!

So with that it was off to wire cup grinding the frame. That took hours, was back breaking and dirty. I am still tasting rust even after supper!

Wore one brush down to nubs!
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