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« Reply #150 on: November 26, 2017, 07:40:24 AM »
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« Reply #151 on: November 26, 2017, 07:07:01 PM »
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« Reply #152 on: November 28, 2017, 01:29:10 AM »
Got a few pics of the roof underlament that I finished way to late! Sealed it up great, now for shingles and siding.

Pulled all the tarps off and sealed the stairs up a little better.
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« Reply #153 on: November 28, 2017, 01:31:25 AM »
Was a nice 60 out here today. Clear sky but I hate it getting dark at 1700!!

Resealed the makeshift stir cover, have the backwards shingles covered!

Trimmed the foam down and sealed with window tape, added flashing.

Got the first 2 sheets up of the smartside. Comes primed same color as the house and garage, may have to really paint it this time,,,,,,,,,, :rolleyes:

Bostich coil nailed worked great, same for the HF roofing nailer I used on the flashing.
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« Reply #154 on: November 28, 2017, 06:12:11 AM »
Well. I see you leaking problem right there. Your house wrap is on upside down.... :tongue

What underlayment did you use and did you find the stair leak?


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« Reply #155 on: November 28, 2017, 11:06:33 AM »
Think the stairway roof having all the shingles upside down and disturbed  along the sawed edges contributed to the leak?

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« Reply #156 on: November 28, 2017, 02:31:16 PM »
Bob must be in Az because that was definately some dry humor ^^^^^. :)
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« Reply #157 on: November 28, 2017, 03:13:12 PM »
Not yet Ken, another month or so until we get down there.

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« Reply #158 on: November 28, 2017, 08:41:32 PM »
Not sure if the leak is fixed, have to wait for rain. There are a few edge issues, most addressed now but that is not where the leak is.
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« Reply #159 on: November 28, 2017, 10:23:07 PM »
JR, if the edges were not the problem, that just leaves the rest of the sloping roof with the shingles running the wrong way. I see you covered the whole thing with rolled roofing so hopefully that took care of the problem.

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« Reply #160 on: November 29, 2017, 02:23:40 PM »
JR, if the edges were not the problem, that just leaves the rest of the sloping roof with the shingles running the wrong way. I see you covered the whole thing with rolled roofing so hopefully that took care of the problem.

That is what I am hoping and why I covered it. Also addressed a few holes I had up top above it with the tarping. I think the wood for tarps was channeling water to a spot up top and it ran all the way down. Rain will tell.
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« Reply #161 on: November 29, 2017, 02:36:30 PM »
First side paneled up. Onto the rest. After the foam seal was trimmed and cleaned up I added flashing.
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« Reply #162 on: November 29, 2017, 04:47:08 PM »
Not sure if the leak is fixed, have to wait for rain. There are a few edge issues, most addressed now but that is not where the leak is.

do they not make hoses out there in CA ?
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« Reply #163 on: November 29, 2017, 04:56:59 PM »
Not sure if the leak is fixed, have to wait for rain. There are a few edge issues, most addressed now but that is not where the leak is.

do they not make hoses out there in CA ?

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I was actually thinking “how can JR wait for rain to see if his fix works, I’m way too OCD for that.....”
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« Reply #164 on: November 29, 2017, 05:40:16 PM »
I thought of that but doing the siding is first. Once that is up the hose is a go!
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« Reply #165 on: November 30, 2017, 11:25:51 PM »
Got this far today. I am going to try some arial pics tomorrow.
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« Reply #166 on: November 30, 2017, 11:34:03 PM »
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« Reply #167 on: December 01, 2017, 01:33:43 AM »
Jr, you going to do something about the roof where it meets the stair roof? That seems like a problem waiting to happen for water infiltration - or is that what you've been talking about with the "reverse shingles"?  You've got some weird angles there that would benefit from some adjustin'...
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« Reply #168 on: December 01, 2017, 09:23:27 AM »
Looks nice JR!
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« Reply #169 on: December 01, 2017, 11:44:29 AM »
Thanks. The entire stair are will get a do over.

I literally just cut the roof over the stairs, raised it up, screwed in place and covered the side with tearoff from the garage. Leak is/was right in the valley when I lifted it, wasn't a surprise. That siding is full of holes, but has a good overhang and there is no flashing on the bottom, yet,,,,,,,,,,,   
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« Reply #170 on: December 01, 2017, 09:25:23 PM »
Did mostly little stuff today. All the hurricane straps, cleaned the room out and mounted and foamed the electrical boxes.

Going to roof it this weekend and get some drone pics. For some reason the pics didn't work today. Flew around but nothing saved,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #171 on: December 01, 2017, 09:27:49 PM »
Lemme guess, no card... :beercheers:
Just kidding JR...I hope...

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« Reply #172 on: December 02, 2017, 01:51:52 AM »
Why'd you put the boxes so low?
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« Reply #173 on: December 02, 2017, 11:45:50 AM »
Did mostly little stuff today. All the hurricane straps, cleaned the room out and mounted and foamed the electrical boxes.

Going to roof it this weekend and get some drone pics. For some reason the pics didn't work today. Flew around but nothing saved,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #174 on: December 02, 2017, 12:02:53 PM »
Why'd you put the boxes so low?

They are junction boxes from the rewire and will be behind the baseboard. Hidden but accessible.

Card was in, beeped when I pushed the photo button, just didn't take pics. Card had other pics.
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« Reply #175 on: December 03, 2017, 01:28:55 AM »
Worked a half day and got the small roof done. Realized during the day 1 of my shingle packs was an ridge, so ran down and got another pack and new knee pads.

HF roofing gun is working great. If it doesn't rain tomorrow I will finish the other side and hopefully the ridge.
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« Reply #176 on: December 03, 2017, 01:36:55 AM »
I cut the opening for the HVAC and laid a piece of wood on the edge and a ladder inside. All the shingles are inside so I just set them on the shelf, pull em out and throw em up onto the roof.

Much better than going through a little door just out of frame by the dryer vent.

The side of the stairs there has no real waterproofing and that need to be addressed. That siding is old stuff from the tearoff with just a good overhang and a furring strip with tape for now. It does have a little plastic on the other side, but for a vapor break.
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« Reply #177 on: December 03, 2017, 07:34:04 AM »
Jr, looking good and good progress.


just curious. Did you consider extending the roof line/room to the right, to encompass the stairs?  It would have given a real roof over the stairs and provided a bit of room for storage.

in any event, Charlie Mike....
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« Reply #178 on: December 03, 2017, 10:02:49 AM »
Did mostly little stuff today. All the hurricane straps, cleaned the room out and mounted and foamed the electrical boxes.

Going to roof it this weekend and get some drone pics. For some reason the pics didn't work today. Flew around but nothing saved,,,,,,,,,,,,
Did you run it over with a tractor ?


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« Reply #179 on: December 03, 2017, 01:09:53 PM »
Jr, looking good and good progress.


just curious. Did you consider extending the roof line/room to the right, to encompass the stairs?  It would have given a real roof over the stairs and provided a bit of room for storage.

in any event, Charlie Mike....

Actually that was in the original plans and using a split HVAC system, but it didn't pan out as the build got going. Would have added a lot more work. Now with that said, it maybe the way it ends up when I tackle the stairs area.

That is beginning to grow on me too. It would balance out the roof line better and address some access and storage. 
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« Reply #180 on: December 04, 2017, 01:33:23 PM »
Almost got the roof fully shingled. Worked until it was dark and still had 3 rows and the ridge.

It is windy, no leaf cleanup today!  :grin:
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« Reply #181 on: December 04, 2017, 02:40:23 PM »
Almost got the roof fully shingled. Worked until it was dark and still had 3 rows and the ridge.

It is windy, no leaf cleanup today!  :grin:

WRONG - get out there with a leaf blower and help them into your neighbors yard!
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« Reply #182 on: December 08, 2017, 03:51:04 PM »
Didn't need a blower, the wind came up and I was chasing shingles all over!

Yard was a good afternoon work. I hate my tree (treehouse) this time of year. Takes a couple months for all of them to fall and they are little finger size. Still isn't done.

Onto the plumbing so I can finish this thing. Had to open the hole up a little and drill a couple holes. Found a metal frame support was in the way when running it down and it was a pain to cut it. Have a craftsman sawsall you can adjust the head on and it came in handy!

Drilled a 1/4 pilot to be sure I missed any SDS screws, moved a couple, then onto the 3.5in hole. HF right angle drill did its job great. Got the vent moved over and running the cpvc now.
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« Reply #183 on: December 08, 2017, 03:58:06 PM »
Went through 2 LVLs, a 2x6 and sheet of ply. Looks like a core sample.
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« Reply #184 on: December 08, 2017, 07:37:02 PM »
In the photo of the tub/shower valve is that copper pipe hooked to a brass valve hooked to galvanized pipe. Or a trick of the flash being bright?

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« Reply #185 on: December 08, 2017, 10:56:14 PM »
You guys have good eyes. All water pipe is cpvc, Valves are brass but a couple fittings are galvanized pipe!
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« Reply #186 on: December 08, 2017, 10:57:38 PM »
Did get this in tonight. Hopefully son got enough glue on it as I pushed and he glued.
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« Reply #187 on: December 09, 2017, 12:06:58 AM »
Jr your not in the way of any fire right?


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« Reply #188 on: December 09, 2017, 09:01:56 AM »
In the photo of the tub/shower valve is that copper pipe hooked to a brass valve hooked to galvanized pipe. Or a trick of the flash being bright?
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« Reply #189 on: December 09, 2017, 09:34:28 AM »
In the photo of the tub/shower valve is that copper pipe hooked to a brass valve hooked to galvanized pipe. Or a trick of the flash being bright?
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« Reply #190 on: December 09, 2017, 06:43:11 PM »
He is fine with the cpvc. It just looked like galvanized pipe on my phone. We do repair work where a home has dissimilar metals and they corrode. A popular place for someone to add/hide galvanized pipe is the tub spout where they install a pipe nipple. I think it is called electrolysis or galvanic corrosion. I am sure there are some metals experts here that could explain it. I have done some research, but not enough, and always use similar metals and isolators when needed. I use isolators on water heaters and their thermal expansion tanks for example. As long as the connection of two dissimilar metals is there the pipe can rot anywhere or everywhere that is not isolated. Pin holes form and the copper becomes brittle and crumbles. Wherever i use screws to attach two hole copper straps to copper pipe i use an isolator between the strap and pipe. From what i read this corrosion is worsened once water is introduced to the connection.
Currently i use the Viega system. Pex pipe isolates the connection so the failure is more local instead of anywhere if the proper isolators are not used. I may switch to hot link as it takes the same tools. And is made in the US. Viega is Italy and the US.
Cpvc has none of these issues.

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« Reply #191 on: December 09, 2017, 08:07:43 PM »
I was thinking of going with pex. But the cost of the crimpers or the slide on fittings is not worth it for my amount of use. I keep a bag of some fittings and pipe in case something does go wrong (murphy) I don't have to run to the store.

Moms house is all galvanized and it need to be redone. Flow is just enough for the basics. Even her plugs aren't grounded, but the wire is there.
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« Reply #192 on: December 09, 2017, 11:35:27 PM »
You can rent the pex tool. I did some pex work earlier this year with the uponor wirsbo system and just rented the tool for $25 for a weekend. Not a single leak.
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« Reply #193 on: December 09, 2017, 11:35:33 PM »
The Viega hand tools had a retail of @$1200. I paid $500. The fittings are expensive. But, none of this costs more than doing a copper job all in material wise. Copper has gone way up in price. Soldering all the fittings also takes time and introduces fire to a job site. The cost for pex style brass fittings has doubled in the last few years as the EPA wants 100% lead free now. So they are pure brass. They have a plastic fitting with stainless sleeve but they feel cheap and are a fraction of the cost. Whenever i ask the supplier if they would put the plastic Viega pex fittings in their own home the answer is NO. My supplier wants me to try heat link next time. Their pex pipe is higher quality and the fittings are a little cheaper.
If i rarely did pex i would consider the shark bite pex system. Not the slide on barbed fittings though. The shark bite connection tools are cheap, the fittings are easily bought at Lowes or HomeDepot, and the fittings are brass and have copper rings to pinch. The only downfall is each crimp needs to be gauged to ensure a pinch to spec. Viega pinches to a preset calibrated setting. Once a crimp is started it will not stop until within spec so no gauge is needed. Saves a step.
There are three types of pex. pex a, pex b, and pex c. Next time you are at Lowes give their system a look.

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« Reply #194 on: December 10, 2017, 01:24:43 AM »
The local ACE (great store but pricey) has all the pex stuff, and Lowes/HD are handy but a little farther.

Checking my drainpipe I found a drip that is coming from the bath spout pipes. It is galvanized, so that is something to address now also. Bad enough it is galv but looks like no thread sealer was used either. Getting this drain in was a chore. I did find the leak because of it though. Also got the vent outdoors finally, along with that smell,,,,,,,,,,,, :tongue:

Added a 12in SDS though the LVL to the vertical post. Even cross drilled the other end and added 4 SDS 10in from the roof framing to the garage LVL tying it all together. My buddy came over who is doing the plans liked it all.
 
Finished the roof but have to put on the ridge vent. All the ridges were warmed up but I ran out of daylight and time since the kids needed feeding. Tomorrow will have to do, weather will be in the mid 60's. All that is left on the outside now is the siding on the short wall and trim. 
 
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« Reply #195 on: December 10, 2017, 07:55:13 AM »
I have some questions about pex and the different fitting/connection systems. I'll post over the Jared's new thread.
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« Reply #196 on: December 10, 2017, 09:17:23 AM »
Is your leak coming from the bath spout? Or other pipes? If it is the bath spout thread sealant gets left off often because that junction does not have much pressure since the water spills into the tub at a much lower pressure than what is in the pipes with the valves closed. I prefer sealant all the time because even though it will not be a huge leak it will be a small leak. If the nipple runs slightly downhill the leaking water leaves the spout at the weep hole. If it runs uphill the leak goes behind the wall.
I am assuming it is the nipple for the tub spout. Use the existing nipple for a length guide. You may be able to find a plastic male nipple that would work. You could use schedule 40 pvc or 80 pvc or cpvc and thread your own nipple. You do not want to screw a metal male into a plastic female part. It cracks the fitting over time. Male is always plastic and female is always metal unless both are either plastic or metal. Plastic can go into plastic. Metal can go into metal. Metal can not go into plastic. One exception is certain bushings but the other rule stands as a general guide. You might have a leak where the galvanized pipe broke the cpvc female elbow. All that is a very easy fix.
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« Reply #197 on: December 10, 2017, 01:00:16 PM »
At least I have the access there to get to it.
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« Reply #198 on: December 10, 2017, 05:53:03 PM »
Got it all capped off today  :cool:
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« Reply #199 on: December 10, 2017, 06:26:27 PM »
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