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In this section we get into the body work, painting, a roof rack and a host of changes that cause this truck to depart the restoration/mod course it was on and onto a whole new project much more advanced in nature and purpose than what you have a feel for so far.

Seat belts on...Lets go!
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2014, 11:19:21 PM »
The bed of my truck...That nasty, faded looking piece of crap had a brand new bed hiding underneath all that faded paint!

Look what they found:
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2014, 11:22:52 PM »
the spots on it were from either me walking on it, or moisture drops from the trip, or touching it. It was as perfect as a metal part could possibly be.

No question, most of the rest of the parts are going up there next week.

I plan to lay some self etching primer down on it today after I wash it. It needs to be washed to remove the protective rust inhibitor that was sprayed on it before it left the shop.

So that's the plan for today, get some paint on it.

In fact, If all goes well, I will actually get some real paint on the underside, since that area is essentially, done.

SO here was the DGS (Don's Garage Situation) last night before I had to go out and be sociable:
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2014, 11:24:11 PM »
Well, I got some paint on the thing today

First I washed just the outside areas. I'll paint this, then flip it and paint the inside and top side of the bed next
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2014, 10:04:49 AM »
While I was at it, I hosed down Square D to remove some of the dust which was about to ruin the truck and cause it to become totally destroyed!
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2014, 10:05:44 AM »
It took maybe 15 minutes to wash the coating off the bed surface
But
It took almost 4 hours to get it dried off!

I did get a little browning on one side, but both the paint strippers and the paint guys said that would happen and not to worry about it at all
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2014, 10:06:42 AM »
Here is the 2 part acid etching primer. It is a mix and shoot affair with an eight hour pot life.

The directions said to spray on only one medium coat!

With the color of yellow, there is no way that will cover with even color anyway, so I expected some striping. the bottom line is just to get the metal covered with this stuff which will burn in as it dries
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2014, 10:07:15 AM »
It mixes a simple 1:1

I wanted to try a small amount first to see how the stuff flowed and to work on the gun settings.

It likes 35psi and a slightly narrowed pattern with a hefty flow rate. That is a for sure recipe for drips and runs!
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2014, 10:08:09 AM »
Here is the area that amount of material covered

ekes! That's not much

With both parts I only had 2 quarts, and this was shaping up to be a gallon sized job!
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2014, 10:09:18 AM »
So I mixed all of the rest of what I had which netted me 1.3 guns worth of paint...unfortunately, not enough
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2014, 10:10:39 AM »
Had some striping, and I ran out of material so the front of the box as well as the whole underside and the tailgate remains uncoated...
And it's Saturday night
And things don't open on the Sabbath,
So it will be Monday afternoon before that bare paint sees any primer.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2014, 10:11:17 AM »
That rounds out build day 75

I believe with the ease of working parent steel, I will get the hood and fenders stripped as well. I'll probably yank them off first of the week.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2014, 10:12:10 AM »
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That stuff is so thin spraying it doesn't go far.
Read the back of the can good before you start to finish it. Its been a while since I used etch primer but I think you have sand it before you spay on top of it after a period of time. I know epoxy sealer has to be sanded after 7 days but not sure on etching primer.

You have a nice project going on!

Copy that.

I was going to wait an hour and top coat the bottom with the OD Green to finally see what it looks like, but when I ran out, those plans got chucked in the trash.

I use the abrasive pads to sand with, and now I will finish the priming, then after that dries scuff off the whole thing and lay down a coat of black primer, then top coat with the paint.
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2014, 10:12:45 AM »
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Primer to sand or primer just to paint over. I'm a fan of the slick sand primer if your going to block sand it before painting. If your just painting it I would just use an epoxy primer.


The underside of the bed will get the standard lacquer primer then top coated with the color coat.

The outsides will of course get block sanded after attending to a couple of small dents, then color coated

I'm probably not going to mess with a sealer though
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2014, 10:15:56 AM »
I sprayed some color swatches on both the bed and the fender last night to see what the "New" color looked like.

It is a BUST!

Not what I thought at all

The color of this Cherokee is 24087 Gillespie

Look at the swatch

And look at that color sprayed on the underside of the bed

Am I crazy or are they all different colors?
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2014, 10:16:50 AM »
The left is WW2 OD green

The right is supposed to be OD green 1957-present

I have used the latter a lot and this brown stuff is no color I ever saw in the Army!
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2014, 10:17:59 AM »
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That ww2 stuff looks closer to the jeep from my laptop...that new stuff sure looks like to much brown, paint not mixed enough, or like Bobby said, the base was to light. maybe try a dark primer and put a good 3 normal (light) coats on a spot to double check, waiting the proper time in between.


I thought so as well, Ken, so I sprayed three coats, 10 min in between on the green/yellow primer and on the silver/moss/dirt fender

Looks the same to me, brownish

and I doubt I can send it back since it came via a hazmat container that the D@mm%! red dog chewed up already

Nope I think I own it.

I gave the two gallons of OD green to Duane already for his Cobra...Guess I'll have to ask for it back since that is closer to what I want.

Question of the day: So, just how many gallons of paint does it take to paint a Dodge truck
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2014, 10:19:22 AM »
From JR

Don, I keep waiting for that "rotisserie" to show up  I would go for 3 gallons too.

Are you HVLP or standard? Thats make s a huge diff to.


The Miller 211 has a few auto features and is dual voltage. And it fits on the 140s cart!!

Anything in the 50 amp area for the plasma will do the trick. They are so much better now than when I got my 40amp hyper 10 years ago. Saw a portable one friday that had its own compressor on it!!
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2014, 10:21:11 AM »
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Negative on the wrap, for the same reasons previously stated.


OK, tide has come in against the plastic baggie idea

So here's what we'll do

I'll finish coating the raw steel with the etching primer, then cover everything with either paint, liqueur primer, or undercoating.

I just came back from the paint store where they sold me the cavity rust proofer stuff along with some 3 foot long wands with 360 degree nozzles on the end. Insert them into the recess, then pull the trigger and withdrawal the wand and just like that, it's all weatherproofed for a few more decades.

I'll paint the bed and add in the bed liner so it is a finished unit.

While that is going on, the doors, hood and fenders will get stripped up at the alky tanks. I'll scuff out and finish the cab section and paint that as well, then paint the fenders, doors, and hood and reassemble. I guess when I screw in the last bolt, the truck will actually be painted!

Then I'll go about doing all the other mods and if I scratch the thing up again, will I'll scuff it all down and shoot the whole mess again.

OK, satisfied??
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2014, 10:23:36 AM »
Now as for the Kintucky camouflage, I might just take a shot at doing it myself, as in my own pattern. I did my Gator last winter with a unique pattern, that would be easy to duplicate, or I could just leave it green
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2014, 10:25:18 AM »
The big news was over at the paint store.

I bit the bullet and purchased this DeVillbis paint gun set with 4 different sized nozzles. These guns are excellent and when you think about it, something I really need to lay down the kind of paint job this build deserves
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2014, 10:26:07 AM »
And all these paint products:
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2014, 10:26:53 AM »
The gallons are the acid etching primer. I think I'll easily consume that, considering all the bare metal parts I am about to have coming back from the strippers

This stuff is the material I am going to spray with a 3 foot long wand into the recesses of the structure which I can not spray into. The good thing about chemical stripping is that it removes everything
The bad thing about chemical stripping is that it removes everything.
That would include any protective material in the cavities. Nossir, now those cavities are bare steel just waiting to fester like an open sore in this snow/salt kintucky environment
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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2014, 10:27:28 AM »
I picked up this cool little spray system so's eyes kan reach into the spots coons and other kritters normally git into

You just pour the paint stuff you want to spray into the bottle, then attach the pressure can and spray away. It's useful for throwing at red dogs and kats if you catch them misbehaving
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2014, 10:28:54 AM »
From NotQuik:

That gun actually sprays pretty good. That's what I used when I started out.

I would buy a dedicated hose for that and loose the filter on the gun. Nothing worse than your hose getting caught and you brake the filter and the hose goes wild. I would make it to where you can use two filter at the start of the hose. Not in a line but kind of like two Y pipes if that make sense. One filter really cuts down on the air flow. That worked for me before I got a real set up.
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2014, 10:29:41 AM »
These silent sentinels are two cans of high quality undercoating for the mounting pads and the wheel wells, and a kan of spray gun cleaner
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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2014, 10:30:34 AM »
buy the way, I is missspellin' on porpoise, both to aggravate you and cause I kan
So this the current sitietation in Don's garage. Even have the red dog caged like a wild animal and the sled dog outside. Heck, ever since it snowed, that eskimo dog just plops down in a pile of snow and snoozes away!
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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2014, 10:32:15 AM »
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The new paint gun is so shiny and purty. If you have a decent piece of scrap metal thats clean take it with you, bonus if it has the primer you plan to use. That way if they do happen to have the paint the say will match, you can check it on metal and see if it really matches.


Oh make sure that the Sherman Williams you are going to is the Sherman Williams Auto Supply or Auto something.... Its pretty pilot proof but you never mentioned if it was the Auto one or the normal house paint one.

Good points Bobby

This one does house paint

They know us well

They once told me they never mixed as much paint as they did for my house

Wife built it while I was down range

She opted for some 16 different colors!!!!!!!!!!! As a wall would turn a corner it would change colors or a few shades.

The painter said he was installing his mail box cause he spent more time at my place than his home.

Well, she paints the place, THEN sends me the pics.

I am sitting at a computer, minutes after landing from an armed escort mission, I am checking my emails. The other pilots are standing around, some behind me.
I see an attachment and hit download.

The server is slow

As the picture builds I am stupefied! The chatter in the room stops as every eye is now watching the unfolding of this...this.., well whatever it was.

Then a voice says, "That's the Ronald McDonald fun house!"

Really...true

So I get into it with her, some 9500 miles away. My first words, "That looks awful. I thought I asked for the interior to be moss green, as in all of it!"

She admits to hiring an interior designer...a new one...right out of college...

I just said flatly, "I'm paying for it, get that crap off the walls!"

Yep, I'm surprised I'm still married as well, but to continue

So she gives the bad news to the college kid and fires her. Then wifey decides she has learned enough during this first "Training round," to take a whack at it herself.

So using more muted colors she goes at it again, yup, 16 colors.

But to get to those 16 final colors I think she had them mix some 50 or so pints of different colors, because for a month or more I'd get an attachment of some blotch of brandy wine, or tinsel twine or strawberry shake color smeared on the walls in a 4 foot rectangle.

I was thinking it looked a little like Beirut during the 80's in there. It was getting to the point where it needed cleaning with several frags, then she laid down some neutral stuff, 16 shades of it and we were done.

Sherwin Williams remembers it to this day!
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« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2014, 10:34:03 AM »
Note: At this point in the truck/thread development there are a ton of good and funny sidebar conversations which are taking up a lot of space. So from time to time I might draw one out of 10 or 20 over here just to give a hint as to the actual "community" that was developing around this "Oil change run amuck" project of mine
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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2014, 10:35:10 AM »
DOT Homework

We did this before

DOT 101

Connect the DOTs


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Connect all the dots with 4 lines

4 lines only

But, once you begin, you may not lift your pencil from the paper, it must remain in contact with said paper all the time

Mostly for the new DOTs

Edit: Dots were supposed to be equally spaced, however it doesn't load up that way, so make the korektion yerself
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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2014, 10:39:21 AM »
Going to get busy this afternoon so I did a little painting this late morning after the workout.

That new guy worked really well, and the little portable spray bottle did an OK job of "Distributing some paint" not necessarily spraying it in an acceptable pattern.

I needed something small and maneuverable so I could get into the tight places and in and behind stuff to get everything coated.

I don't believe everything is indeed coated so that is the reason for the fall back rust proofing fogging device I'll eventually use on all those recessed areas

Here's the little bugger with a reservoir full of the good stuff
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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2014, 10:40:06 AM »
And some of the damage, err, coating it did
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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2014, 10:41:08 AM »
Those wheel wells get sprayed with rubberized undercoating so smoothness does not matter. The name of the game there is just to get something on there

THe new gun laid down some decent paint, although this is showing one light to medium pass and nothing more. Again the purpose of this stuff is just to get a layer burned into the metal to provide a layer for subsequent materials to adhere to

Here is that tailgate
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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2014, 10:44:24 AM »
And the front of the bed
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2014, 10:45:23 AM »
Some of the detail areas such as the inside of the mounts and recesses around the wheel well got another spraying
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2014, 10:50:23 AM »
Sorry, some dupes on the el-photos there

Anyway, the gun cleaned up and here's what was left
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« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2014, 10:53:53 AM »
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Question:

you mentioned a rubberized coating for the bed. Underside and top side? Or just the fender wells. Did you consider just using the raptor liner coating for the fender wells, compared to the rubberized coating? Wasn't sure of the price difference/quality of the two...

Good questions Ash

The bed is getting a plethora of coatings.
(That's a bunch!)

The underside gets acid etch primer, then primer, then paint

The outside, same-same

The underside of the wheel wells gets a very high quality rubberized undercoating.

The inside of the wheel well, as in the part hidden by the bed skin and the insides of all the box sections gets whatever primer I can spray in there and that rust preventer brown film stuff.

The inside of the bed will get two coats of the Raptor product on top of the acid primer and the black lacquer primer
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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2014, 10:59:18 AM »
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ok. So the rubberized coating in the fender wells is same quality I assume as the raptor liner...


Next question:

Why go through all the trouble on this bed, if you are still wanting to install an extended cab? Now, I don't know your timeline here, and there may not be one, but wouldn't you be better off to have found a short bed, and invested the money in to it, instead of this long bed? Of course, you could probably sale the long bed to another Dodge owner somewhere, some day, such as Duane...

But, just thinking ahead, and maybe too far ahead...

Quality??

Sort of apples and oranges.
Yes they are both "High quality" products

But the rubberized material will protect and be more sound deadening and will stand up to things bounding off of it being thrown around by the tires.

In the bed, a rubberized product is not appropriate and would not hold up, so the much harder raptor product is best suited.

As for the extended cab: I am freezing the design the way it is. Otherwise I will simply never get this truck done. I think it is best to move ahead with the current configuration, get that done and live with the limitations.
It will remain a standard cab/long box
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« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2014, 10:59:55 AM »
From Ash:

ok. Good plan. I like it.

Now the coating makes sense. I wasn't putting all the pieces of the puzzle together... Forgive me.


Back glass question:

Keeping a solid piece unit, or installing one with a sliding rear window? That way you have access to the rear if need be, without breaking the back glass.

Or you put on the shell, and the prerangers have a riding/holding area, while you and the Mrs. take control of the cab interior...
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« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2014, 11:20:32 AM »
Speaking of boneheads, I feel fine thank you berry much!

Lets get busy building that rear alcky tank.

Here is the area we will be adding to:
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« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2014, 11:22:10 AM »
Then the painting started

First was the tailgate
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« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2014, 11:22:58 AM »
Then the bed underside. That was difficult. I had to craw in there and spray at all sorts of weird angles. I almost qualified as a contortionist!

I suspect it is not completely done, but I'll be able to tell when I flip it over later on
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« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2014, 11:23:46 AM »
Then the hanging jungle:



Note: parts in the pic from a failed rear water tank project are shown as well

That water tank later did not fit with the bed in place! It was scrapped in favor of a better design!
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« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2014, 11:25:36 AM »
After some dry time, on went the first of two double coats of gray.

I changed the color just a tad, taking it one shade darker
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« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2014, 11:26:17 AM »
Then the final coat and that concluded a pretty productive day
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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2014, 11:27:49 AM »
That can was kicked down the road far enough, so time to move on, and with this truck, there are always plenty of projects to do.

After I visited the paint store and talked with the guys in the know there, I changed the game plan on the painting of the bed.

I had planned to scuff the yellow primer and lay down a coat of liqueur primer, then the paint. The guys at the store didn't like that much for what I am doing. They eventually convinced me to shoot a coat of epoxy primer, then lay down some bed liner on the bottom and the top side of the bed!

So that is now the plan. The underside of that thing is going to get the full epoxy/urethane treatment. It will be impervious to just about anything except submersion in the great salt lake, but I'm not headed in that direction anytime soon.

So with a fresh gallon of epoxy sealer in hand, I started with what all paint jobs start with, sanding

I used the scuff pads to handle the job
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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2014, 11:28:23 AM »
After a couple hours of detail sanding in the myriad of nooks and crannies, I declared it finished and ready for paint
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