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Keystone pipeline or trains?
« on: November 27, 2021, 07:58:09 AM »
 

 Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships

 

 

 1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 pounds.

 

·        1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

 

·        1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

 

·        It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB to Freeport, TX.

 

Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

 

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

 

·        521,220,000 gallons of dieselburned per year.

 

The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline.

 

By stopping the pipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.

 

Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseas sandbox.

 

·        1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil

 

·        1 boat takes 15 days to float across the Atlantic.

 

·        1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons of the most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below) 

 

Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with a fraction of the pollution.

 

In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated parts of our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.

 

Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760 million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulfur Oxides (SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulfur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulfur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. One large ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tones of sulfur oxide pollution in a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds 760 million cars

 

Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?

 

Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.

 

Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That's trillion.

 

It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of gasoline, and 06 gal of diesel.

 

So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most diesel vehicles for a year and some ships

 

That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.

 

Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. If emissions are the problem why not just capture them at the exhaust? Create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and building a complete untested, replacement industry?

 

So are we willing to dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these batteries and electric motors?   Mining is far worse for the environment than oil extraction.

 

Killing Keystone was glibly decided by emotional idiots without brains! Destructive idiots who are fooling America to boost their standing with Foreign paymasters.

 
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Re: Keystone pipeline or trains?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2021, 09:33:05 AM »
A lot of those trains come right through eastern Nebraska on a spur line. It use to be just grain cars but now there a bunch of tankers causing a bottle neck in grain transportation. There are a few grain elevators that depend on the trains that now have to pay trucks to transport.
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Re: Keystone pipeline or trains?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2021, 09:35:58 AM »
Thank warren for it all!
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Re: Keystone pipeline or trains?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2021, 09:46:04 AM »
Other things to consider. All the plastics come from oil so everything from iPhones to the bicycles they ride to most parts of their beloved Tesla would not exist without fossil fuel.

Also Warren buffet a very well know supporter of liberal politicians own BNSF and rail stands to benefit from the cancellation of the KXL


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Re: Keystone pipeline or trains?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2021, 12:32:47 PM »
Nebraska still at least has low prices...
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Re: Keystone pipeline or trains?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2021, 03:09:11 PM »
Nebraska still at least has low prices...
I'm around $3.20 @Costco these days for diesel
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Re: Keystone pipeline or trains?
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2021, 04:45:59 PM »
We had been at the same price as you, this must have happened in the last few days.
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Re: Keystone pipeline or trains?
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2021, 10:32:47 PM »
Thank warren for it all!
From what I understand Warren wins no matter what. I don't remember the source but I read somewhere that there is a chemical they add in the oil to make it flow better in the pipeline. Warren owns the company that makes said chemicals.

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2021, 12:05:08 AM »
It wouldnt surprise me jon, you dont get to be one of the richest people in the world and not have your fingers in just about everybody's pie.
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