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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #100 on: January 22, 2015, 10:09:08 PM »
I used to go 4 wheeling over there in mine. My German Landlord got a kick out of that, crawling up the sides of hills in and around the Mein River valley, and running forest trails all over...

Mine was full time 4WD with the old NP203 case and a 4 bbl 350 that absolutely sucked the gas. I lifted it 4" and ran around on a set of 32" mud tires on wagon wheels. Pretty weird combo for Deutschland!
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« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2015, 12:24:29 AM »
Wagon Wheels, hadn't heard that in a long. Had those on my 77.

Called the local spring place who I have used before (valley spring works in Dixon). $300 a corner for custom springs, but will re-arch the rears for only $100 each and said they will be better than any with the way he heat-treats. Won't do the fronts as they need to much arch and he said it would be cheaper to go aftermarket.

So looks like 6 inch springs for the front and 2 inch re-arch for the rear with the shackle flip.

Built my own pressure bleeder for under $20. 1 gallon sprayer, clear hose, 1 fitting and a ebay 30lb psi gauge. Cut a piece of poly for the cover but it was to flimsy and need use alum at least.  Also need to figure out a clamp as using a c-clamp is a pain.

The brake light is out now but I think I have a bad left caliper, won't bleed, just dribbles. Right is fine but if I replace I will do both and under $20ea at the local store less pads.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #102 on: January 23, 2015, 02:05:16 AM »
shame on you neck "subbed?"  naughty naughty!

don, I got my blazer when I was in Germany as well.  I got it for $600 and dropped about $2-3k into it just to get it to pass the german inspection, then I had it shipped back to the states.

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2015, 02:00:38 PM »
just messin with yah neck.

cant wait till AUG so we can meet up again, hopefully longer this time, and get an improved version of this.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #104 on: January 23, 2015, 03:10:39 PM »
JR, you could weld washers to the sides of the plate (or slot the sides for aluminum), use a small chain and a couple long j-hooks with sae threads (or weld the chain to some allthread), and wrap the chain around the master. I had a snap-on version of that style once upon a time.....very universal.


this is the closest pic I could find on the web
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2015, 12:40:40 AM »
I actually just placed a couple pieces of scrap alum on it and it got me by. I will just make a 3/8 plate for it with a chain and j hook.

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #106 on: January 25, 2015, 12:43:14 AM »
OK, lets put a nice exhaust on this this to make it sound better and free up a few ponies.

Was doing this in between finishing this up for the scouts. It works great and race-day is tomorrow!!

When I got this is was bare wood but worked. I sanded it for several hours (using a electric plane and belt sander) just to get the side flat. My buddy who has a sign company did the graphics and a fold down start. I rebuilt the lights for the finish during this ad added memory foam to stop the cars!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #107 on: January 25, 2015, 12:53:34 AM »
Oh yeah, the exhaust  ::)

First is cutting it off. Pretty easy with a good saws-all that has a rotating head. This one is made by Craftsman when they were the tools to buy.

Enough blades are a must, I went through 3. The bent blade was a my fault, but it was not a new blade to starrt with. I like the Maxcut blades I got at Costco. Just as good as the Lenox but WAY cheaper!!

4 cuts and we are done!!! They have seen better days.
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« Reply #108 on: January 25, 2015, 01:02:03 AM »
In the last picture you can see that clamp was rusted through, plus the tailpipe was bend forward and rested on the frame.

To use a stock clamp up front I had to make this side cut. worked great and just popped off. I was even able to use the stock 23 year old clamp!
 
Did my measurements, double checked and weld a 25 in piece between the cat and muffler. The muffler and cat are 3 in from Magnaflow.
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« Reply #109 on: January 25, 2015, 01:08:51 AM »
I was a little concerned about the sound since the muffler was a straight through design. I watched a couple of youtube videos and thought it would sound OK. If you look at the inside shot of the muffler you can see an open area. This acts like a natural baffle and it sounds great. No rapp like a cherry bomb, just a mellow tone.

I have been a big Flowmaster fan but they are getting very pricey but it would have fit a little better. I had to massage the top of the muffle with a hammer to clear a bolt.

You may also see a couple of tach welds on the end. I had to add a bushing as the tailpipe is just 2 7/8, so very little back-pressure if any.

I cleaned up the old tailpipe with a cordless grinder and blocked the tailpipe for clearance.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #110 on: January 25, 2015, 01:33:57 AM »
I used all the stock hangers just welding them to the pipe. The bottom rear weld was a bare as I kept blowing through the 23 years old pipe. Finally got here sealed up though.

It doesn't hang to low and sounds good. Even my little helper liked it.

The last pic is for Don. I know he wants me to leave this on!!!!  :D
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2015, 08:50:35 AM »
Well, ya need antennas... ;)
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #112 on: January 27, 2015, 11:00:35 AM »
Starting to look like a real truck again. Nice work on the PD track too; those kids will remember that forever. I know I did.
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« Reply #113 on: January 27, 2015, 01:56:21 PM »
We did have fun with that, even flew my little drone around taking video.

Got to grab some wires right now. Putting the H4 lights in but building a relay system for full voltage!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #114 on: January 27, 2015, 11:46:53 PM »
A little teaser for you guys showing the Motor I have for this. 1991, same as the truck with a matching 47R and NP205. Supposed to have around 150k on it, so just broke in well. I will do the head at minimum so I can check the cylinders along with the low end.

The tranny will get a basic rebuild but probably not as far as SD's. Same for the 205.

Looking for around 400hp with the VE without pushing it to hard. If I find a P setup that doesn't break the bank I will go that way for sure.

Right now it just waits in a trailer next to the house. There is a crossmember and mounts for the swap, but together they are in the 1K range.
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« Reply #115 on: January 28, 2015, 12:10:40 AM »
Now I am working on the lights and grill. It looks a little bare without the warn up there, but it got a good home  ;)

Popping off the grill I only found 1 bad screw that had pulled through the plastic. The grill was broken across the middle so a little JB Weld fixed that up.

The light mounts were is bad shape but about what you would expect after 23 years. They cleaned up nice in the HF blast cabinet.

The wires going to the headlights were small!! Maybe 18 gauge. So with the new lights I will do a relay setup for full voltage and higher wattage later as these are just 55/60 watts.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #116 on: January 28, 2015, 07:44:09 AM »
What do you think about these wheels;
Might be able to use the hubcaps with these...

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wvi-82-600805/reviews/

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #117 on: January 28, 2015, 11:33:32 AM »
I had looked at those and the 16 inch size too. My current wheels are just 6.5 so I don't get a big footprint.

The actual plane though is to go with Humvee tires and wheels. I can get 5 RTR for under 1k delivered.

I can just bolt them up with spacers or recenter as Don did. I kinda like the idea of spacers to see what they will look like before I recenter. Lift has to be on first for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #118 on: January 28, 2015, 10:21:01 PM »
While working on the lights look what came in the mail  ;D
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #119 on: January 29, 2015, 09:10:41 AM »
That's a diesel cluster is it not?

Perfect for the swap!
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« Reply #120 on: January 29, 2015, 11:24:10 AM »
That's a diesel cluster is it not?

Perfect for the swap!

Nope, but it has the tach vs the HUGE fuel gauge.
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« Reply #121 on: January 29, 2015, 08:59:46 PM »
Anyway, went to the local PnP today and scored good! Was a $200 day with tax, cores and enviro fees (gotta love Kali  ::) )

Got a nice white fender,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Pair of Bucket seats in the right color. A tad dirty but are non powered.

2nd battery tray and as I pulled the fender, I saw that the truck had billit spacers!!
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« Reply #122 on: January 29, 2015, 09:20:35 PM »
Last night I bead blasted the headlight mounts and the air cleaner lid. HF blaster worked fine but it really pushed the old Craftsman comp. I really need to upgrade it and get a nice floor drill press.

Getting the lights ready they almost fit the old mounts. However changing the bulbs would be an impossibility. So I used a HF electric cutoff tool (great for quick jobs at $20) and cut the ears off, then ground the edges. The housings fit fine now so they got a couple coats of primmer/semi black. 

I have gathered all the relay items too. Should be fairly simple using the high/low right off the back of the stock headlight plugs to run it.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #123 on: January 29, 2015, 09:41:05 PM »
Nice score on a not-real-common cluster!

..and the other stuff as well!

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« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2015, 06:37:17 AM »
Nice progress JR & nice parts from PNP!
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« Reply #125 on: January 30, 2015, 09:03:39 AM »
Wheel spacers = stock HMMV wheels
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« Reply #126 on: January 30, 2015, 10:48:42 AM »
Wheel spacers = stock HMMV wheels

Hey for $16 I couldn't go wrong plus I can mount them right up to see the spacing.
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« Reply #127 on: January 30, 2015, 02:35:49 PM »
So, whats in your fender??????????

Ever wonder with all that crap you clean off or kick up and where it goes? Well when putting the new/used fender on this came out of the splash guard behind the left front. Now this is what gets in from the top,,,,,,,,,,,,,so check yours.

It is some darn good soil though !!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #128 on: January 30, 2015, 02:38:18 PM »
this came out of the splash guard

XJ doesn't have any of those.... yet
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« Reply #129 on: January 30, 2015, 11:43:16 PM »
When I got the fender off I found all this. So now the vent cover below the windshield is coming off as well as the other fender. Also cleaning and spraying the wheel wells with rustolium undercoating.
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« Reply #130 on: January 30, 2015, 11:51:14 PM »
The way this is going it looks more like another "lube change" that started something else  ::)

You know how those go!!
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« Reply #131 on: January 31, 2015, 06:44:01 AM »
You could plant some seeds, leave it, and register it as a "green" vehicle- it would grow leaves as you drive economically! ;D
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« Reply #132 on: January 31, 2015, 08:52:22 AM »
When I got the fender off I found all this. So now the vent cover below the windshield is coming off as well as the other fender. Also cleaning and spraying the wheel wells with rustolium undercoating.
Someone needs to do an environmental impact study on the effect of moving that much dirt away from the forest!
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« Reply #133 on: January 31, 2015, 08:53:06 AM »
The way this is going it looks more like another "lube change" that started something else  ::)

You know how those go!!
Yup...They just go and go and go...
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« Reply #134 on: January 31, 2015, 02:14:37 PM »
Besides watching Dons builds I have found several threads with conversions as I am sure a few of you have too. Not to take away from BD building, this has got to be the best with all the fabing this guy does.

It is a 6BT with twin turbos into a 72 chevy truck.

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?40257-1972-K20-6bt&highlight=ve+power
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« Reply #135 on: February 04, 2015, 03:44:55 AM »
Well, sold the warn bumper so now it is kinda bare.

Looking to keep the Dadge Dana 60 now as it is just 1/2 inch wider at the leave spring mounts. That can be addressed easy with shimming, shackles, or offset centers.

Also the wheel mount is 2 inches narrower than the chevy so it matches the rear better!!

"WANTED" 2 dodge or GM front hubs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cant see paying over $150 for these each!!!!!
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« Reply #136 on: February 08, 2015, 11:38:40 PM »
Wheels and tires on the way. In the process of swap info I found this and it reminded me of SD.

Looked a little further and you guys will love the thread. Looks more like a plane in many places,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?20761-Warwagon-MKV
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« Reply #137 on: February 09, 2015, 12:19:00 AM »
Looks like the dodge D60 is a go now. Besides being the same width as the 14b rear the spring pads are just 1/2in wider than the GM D60. That is doable.
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« Reply #138 on: February 11, 2015, 02:25:27 PM »
Still in my search for hubs that aren't breaking the bank I found a 1994 6BT that is stock for $1500. Miles are a little high at 300k but I get a P pump motor from it. Even had a video of it running and showed over 40psi oil pressure at idle.

This will now go into the sub but I will freshen it up some. I figure a new head too since they are around $500, new injectors, bearings and maybe a hone with rings.

Plus I am upgrading my homebuilt engine stand to turn this beast using a worm drive setup I have seen in a couple forums. I will post that up too.
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« Reply #139 on: February 11, 2015, 02:53:41 PM »
You're luck that California doesn't limit vehicles like they do guns! Lol- ;)
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #140 on: February 11, 2015, 08:30:40 PM »
Still in my search for hubs that aren't breaking the bank I found a 1994 6BT that is stock for $1500. Miles are a little high at 300k but I get a P pump motor from it. Even had a video of it running and showed over 40psi oil pressure at idle.

This will now go into the sub but I will freshen it up some. I figure a new head too since they are around $500, new injectors, bearings and maybe a hone with rings.

Plus I am upgrading my homebuilt engine stand to turn this beast using a worm drive setup I have seen in a couple forums. I will post that up too.
I'll bet the stock bore will be in good enough shape to go back stock with the rings.

I was thinking, if I had it down that far, and the bores were in pristine condition, why not install some marine pistons. Slightly lower compression with a larger bowl means more compressor action can be accommodated for mo-power. I have the marine slugs in Square D.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #141 on: February 12, 2015, 09:04:48 AM »
That Warwagon build on 4btswaps.com is one of my favorites.

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« Reply #142 on: February 12, 2015, 08:24:06 PM »
So, I found this P Pump 6BT but had a little adventure getting it;

http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=730.0
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« Reply #143 on: February 12, 2015, 08:32:51 PM »
It needs a good cleaning, injector lines and injectors. Has a turbo on it with a waste-gate and another without so that sorta offsets the lines. I was going get better injectors anyway. Has the trans adapter, starter and linkage too.

Hers a few pics of it, but first thing tomorrow I have rebuilt trans to go into the Elky (400k+ miles)
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #144 on: February 13, 2015, 09:29:55 AM »
Good score

A lot more tenability, but I hear a bit harder to start than the reliable VE pump motor.

I see it came off an automatic truck, I can't recall if you are going stick or auto??

If stick, I wonder if you could just retask that fluid/fluid cooler to cool the engine oil??

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #145 on: February 13, 2015, 02:18:32 PM »
I have the same tranny and tcase as you done. I doubt my motor or tranny will get full treatment as yours. Both will be gone over some though.

A big yellow (just as good as brown sometimes) just showed up with home delivery!!!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2015, 11:32:05 PM »
Here is a better pic of those now stowed out back. Look to be 80-90%  8)

Also a pic of the enters I am thinking of, but in 8x6.5. They are punched .250 and still need the miller to hold them on.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #147 on: February 19, 2015, 11:21:33 AM »
Who makes those centers?

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« Reply #148 on: February 19, 2015, 12:06:49 PM »
Who makes those centers?

I found them during a web search, called trail worthy fab;

http://www.trailworthyfab.com/Hummer-Wheel-Centers/

Although a little thinner (.250") then what Don has, I like the style and they lock similar to a factory wheel.

On his site they are $65, on Ebay $60 OBO.

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« Reply #149 on: February 19, 2015, 12:28:23 PM »
Also guys, started a topic over in Suspension looking for a steering arm for the crossover that will works with the 4x4 box.

http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=755.new#new
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