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How black do I go on the front end? Raptor Liner in my possession.

Just bumper.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #100 on: May 12, 2016, 11:11:01 PM »
Back on the topic of adjustable height sawhorses... I have a pair of these and they're great.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-Adjustable-Sawhorse-2-Pack-STST60626/203799620

I have a set of those & they're ok imo, every time I unfold them the hinge tries to come apart at one end.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #101 on: May 12, 2016, 11:59:49 PM »
I have a set of metal ones I got a long time ago. They adjust are are stout. In fact they are holding a couple sheets of OSB up I use for a table right now. They are a pain to adjust and cost about $50-60 a pair now.

I have several plastic ones. Great for fast work but not very strong and they fall apart sometimes.

This I like and use this all the time. A little pricey but versatile and strong and the clamp works both ways.

https://www.rockwelltools.com/en-US/Jawhorse_RK9003.aspx?mkwid=sYcMvkGRL&crid=53590330195&mp_kw=rockwell%20jawhorse&mp_mt=e&pdv=c&gclid=CLSRpcGU1swCFRCRaQod-l0BKA
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2016, 12:59:41 AM »
Back on the topic of adjustable height sawhorses... I have a pair of these and they're great.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-Adjustable-Sawhorse-2-Pack-STST60626/203799620

I have a set of those & they're ok imo, every time I unfold them the hinge tries to come apart at one end.
Yeah one of mine has a busted hinge on one end too.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #103 on: May 13, 2016, 01:07:52 AM »
I would say that's a no go on the plastic horses. Mine made it through the deck rebuild then trashed,

They still all stand to low for guys with lower back issues.


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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2016, 07:29:08 AM »
I had a set I bought at Lenard's years ago. The top had a place that would allow you to slip a 2x on edge in. This way if you were cutting plywood etc you just cut into the wood not the plastic saw horse & they worked great. For taller guys you could use a 2x6 or possibly a 2x8.......
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #105 on: May 16, 2016, 01:20:33 PM »
So a small non update.
I neglected license plate lights intentionally, and have the LED bulb bolts en route.
As well, a set of 24 watt flush mount LEDs to amplify back up lighting.
I hope they arrive before final installation, which has been delayed to to lack of bedliner.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2016, 07:34:07 PM »
So new poll up. Thoughts on blacking out the whole front end.
I have a 4 quart raptor liner kit to do the bumpers and expect to have some left.
For a refresh on how it is...



I'm willing to do all of the front I think...

What's everybody think?
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #107 on: June 07, 2016, 09:44:58 PM »
bumper only. 

I kind of like it the way it is
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #108 on: June 07, 2016, 10:19:00 PM »
X2. Bumper only, and your poll appears to be inop, or I'm an idiot, or both (see what I did there...3 options)



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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #109 on: June 07, 2016, 10:27:16 PM »
Not sure what happened with the poll.

Anybody know if I can shoot it over the other liner, or should I strip it?
The front will be stripped and cleaned up.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #110 on: June 07, 2016, 10:33:29 PM »
I know linex guys don't strip when they recoat because mine's twice as thick as before. They may use an adhesion promoter though. You can buy it in a spray can, and used for door jambs and anything else a painter is too lazy to sand. lol

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #111 on: June 07, 2016, 10:35:04 PM »
Good I feel there.
Also debating a colour matched kit to do the rockers and other heavily stoned areas depending how this turns out.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #112 on: June 07, 2016, 11:37:30 PM »
Take lots of photos. I need to spray that on all rock chip areas of mine


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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2016, 07:29:40 AM »
X2. Bumper only, and your poll appears to be inop, or I'm an idiot, or both (see what I did there...3 options)



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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #114 on: June 08, 2016, 07:39:41 AM »
Between a front and rear bumper you are not going to have much if any left.  I've sprayed raptor liner on a couple of the bumpers I have built and plan for two courts for a front bumper minimum.   Usually I am doing front and rear together so the front gets a little more than 2 quarts and the rear gets a little less than 2.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #115 on: June 08, 2016, 09:36:40 AM »
Thanks bear. With that tidbit I'll shoot both at once, and likely use the whole kit.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #116 on: June 09, 2016, 11:11:44 AM »
Sam, I gotta say, that Raptor Liner material out of the England is extremely durable.

Remember that I sprayed a part of Sarge with it? Well now after slinging a bunch of fuel cans across it, having a bunch of KY trees falling on it, grand kids and pre-rangers fighting imaginary battles from it's flanks, it is little more than scuffed

I think it might hold up to rock impacts, maybe...
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2016, 05:22:29 PM »
do the bumpers and from the body line down all the way around the truck, maybe the flares too if you like that look.  my last 05 Chev 6.0 had that done (line-x) cost me about $800 to do the rockers and the flares with some running boards. ill see if I can dig up a picture.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2016, 05:29:11 PM »
couldn't find mine- it looked just like this. other than my truck was gray.

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/attachments/exterior/38675d1328251066-line-x-rocker-panels-daves-truck.jpg

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #119 on: June 10, 2016, 05:34:35 PM »
I like that look. Was going to do mine like that but didn't trust the linex shop at the time.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #120 on: June 10, 2016, 06:36:57 PM »
Some are better than others, that's for sure. After 2 failed Rhino Liners, first in my 85 Toyota project and then my chevy. I found a guy that does line-x for our dealership. the real trick getting the body edge straight and cut just right.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #121 on: June 10, 2016, 08:11:00 PM »
Is there a specific place you guys are buying this raptor liner online from? Thinking the rear of the JK needs carpet pulled & bed liner added. Between golden retriever shedding & me using it as a truck it needs an upgrade. The rear tail gate is getting a little beat up at this point.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #122 on: June 10, 2016, 09:52:09 PM »
That's the line I was thinking about going up to.
I don't want to go two tone, hence try the tinted variety.

Shawn, I went to an auto body supplier, by chance the sold raptor.
I was going to get whatever they had, and was very pleased it was this.
Not all sell to public, as I found out as well, but these guys did, Chase Autobody Supply not sure how global they are.
I did find a couple places on Amazon that carried it, but at over $300 a kit... :o
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #123 on: June 11, 2016, 02:59:47 PM »
Copy, saw it online several places maybe I'll do some local research
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #124 on: June 11, 2016, 03:05:16 PM »
Local is fine. Ebay has it in all colors for good prices, where I got mine.
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« Reply #125 on: June 11, 2016, 04:41:23 PM »
Thanks JR
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #126 on: June 15, 2016, 09:05:59 AM »
I just did a front bumper last night.  Sand blasted it, primed it and sprayed it ended up using all 4 bottles on just the front bumper.  I probably could have got by with just 3 but I figured I might as well put another coat on the bumper.  This bumper was a front with brush guard so it does take an extra bottle or so to cover the brush guard good.  There is more surface area there than one would think on all that tubing and there is also a lot of over spray/ waste.

I generally purchase my kits through amazon with prime to get free shipping.  $120-$130 per kit depending on if it is tintable/ black and if you need a gun or not.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #127 on: June 15, 2016, 09:27:24 AM »
Also, I like to spray a clear over the liner.  The clear adds a bit of a gloss to it.  Just the raptor is a flatter color but adding the clear seems to bring the gloss closer to the vehicles level.  Also I think it helps with cleaning.  The bare liner traps a lot of dirt in it.  The dirt seems to release from the clear better.  You can just spray the liner down to clean instead of getting a brush out in a lot of cases I think.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #128 on: June 15, 2016, 11:03:16 AM »
Good info Bear. I had not considered clear, but may now just for cleaning purposes.
So having heard what you used, I'm hopeful that I'll have enough to do both with the one kit.
No tubes, just a lot of surface area.
My supplier gave me the kit for 166, which was far better than anywhere else I found it. Stupid weak dollar, and price gouging on the most part. I'd seen them over 300 at some places, and was like NO!
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #129 on: June 15, 2016, 11:14:24 AM »
Good info Bear. I had not considered clear, but may now just for cleaning purposes.
So having heard what you used, I'm hopeful that I'll have enough to do both with the one kit.
No tubes, just a lot of surface area.
My supplier gave me the kit for 166, which was far better than anywhere else I found it. Stupid weak dollar, and price gouging on the most part. I'd seen them over 300 at some places, and was like NO!

You will be fine with 1 kit for front and rear.  There is almost as much surface material on that tubing as there is on the actual bumper and there is a lot of waste.  I would advice you to prime the back really well, making sure you get into all the nooks and pockets you might have from any framing members/ gussets.  That way you don't need to waste a bunch of the liner product trying to cover those areas.   Using all 4 bottles I basically have 3-1/2 coats on all of the bumper including the tubing.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #130 on: June 15, 2016, 05:07:42 PM »
Good info Bear. I had not considered clear, but may now just for cleaning purposes.
So having heard what you used, I'm hopeful that I'll have enough to do both with the one kit.
No tubes, just a lot of surface area.
My supplier gave me the kit for 166, which was far better than anywhere else I found it. Stupid weak dollar, and price gouging on the most part. I'd seen them over 300 at some places, and was like NO!

You will be fine with 1 kit for front and rear.  There is almost as much surface material on that tubing as there is on the actual bumper and there is a lot of waste.  I would advice you to prime the back really well, making sure you get into all the nooks and pockets you might have from any framing members/ gussets.  That way you don't need to waste a bunch of the liner product trying to cover those areas.   Using all 4 bottles I basically have 3-1/2 coats on all of the bumper including the tubing.

The back actually already has a coat of liner on it. Ran short of multiple coats, brushed into the corners etc so should have a good base as long as it sticks.
The front is going to be a complete strip and start over, as the rocks and salt did a number on the paint.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #131 on: July 17, 2016, 09:37:05 PM »
Question for all y'all that have used Raptor Liner.

What did you use to clean the gun?

Was just going to get set up to shoot and yeah I read the instructions...
They are saying acetone to clean.
I don't currently have any.

But I do have:
Lacquer thinner
Toluene
And DuPont TX6712 gun wash (near as I can tell a paint thinner/cleaner)
10% acetone

Do I need acetone?
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« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2016, 09:40:54 PM »
I use laquer thinner.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #133 on: July 17, 2016, 09:53:27 PM »
Thanks Bear.

So how much fresh air do I need while shooting it?
I don't have a cherry picker at my disposal, so debating doing it inside garage.
Good idea or no?
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #134 on: July 17, 2016, 10:28:52 PM »
Question for all y'all that have used Raptor Liner.

What did you use to clean the gun?

Was just going to get set up to shoot and yeah I read the instructions...
They are saying acetone to clean.
I don't currently have any.

But I do have:
Lacquer thinner
Toluene
And DuPont TX6712 gun wash (near as I can tell a paint thinner/cleaner)
10% acetone

Do I need acetone?
Lacquer thinner works well

You don't have but an hour or maybe a bit longer or that stuff will start to set up.

Acetone might work as well, but you don't need it...

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« Reply #135 on: July 17, 2016, 10:31:12 PM »
Thanks guys.
If the stars align properly I'll be at it tomorrow afternoon.
A little late to get at it tonight.
Zero 6 comes quickly.
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« Reply #136 on: July 18, 2016, 08:24:01 AM »
I've sprayed it in a relatively small garage before in winter with little air flow.  Probably not one of my brightest decisions but I didn't think the fumes were to bad.  If you can open a door and get a little air exchange you should be fine.

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« Reply #137 on: July 18, 2016, 10:00:35 AM »
..just be prepared to have everything else in the garage coated unless it's covered up. That stuff can shoot quite a ways if the pressure is turned up.

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« Reply #138 on: July 18, 2016, 12:20:00 PM »
..just be prepared to have everything else in the garage coated unless it's covered up. That stuff can shoot quite a ways if the pressure is turned up.

So a few donor disposable tarps/poly is a good idea then.
I can open the door so I can get fresh air.
I was planning on it being messy, and Ken has confirmed it.

Thanks again, hope to have the rear done tonight.
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #139 on: July 18, 2016, 10:27:40 PM »
So here's why I'm at where I'm at.
Between all the rock chips and salt from winter the paint had to go.



I liked the colour match, but not the apparent upkeep.
Here's hoping the Rhino lives up to its reputation.

First up was disconnecting batteries from winch and unwiring.
Then removal from truck. I then took to it with a quick wash and scrub, then one of these stripper wheels. It made quick work of the paint filler and surface rust.



Then it was into garage for a wipe down and primer.



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« Reply #140 on: July 18, 2016, 10:56:57 PM »
Then the rear was shot with its first coat. I set my flowing air pressure to 40 psi, and it shot well so that's where it stayed. I was able to get a good coat on the rear and a bit of the inside of the front done on the first bottle.

As I poured the hardener into my 250 ml measure, the white frost that immediately occurred tipped me to hurry. I thought, that ain't right, and quickly filled the cup and added it to the liner bottle.

As I shook it to mix, I realized my rush was indeed warranted.



Within 20-30 seconds the bottom of the cup melted out.

So here's the state of affairs as I sit for another 40 odd minutes.
I need to decide how I'm going to proceed from here, I may call the back 'done-ish' until I have the front done. Only have three more bottles, and don't want to sell the front short.





I've got to add, this stuff sprays really easy compared to paint!
Now, the orange Peel is part of this, and it doesn't seem to run either.
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« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2016, 11:20:24 PM »
Looks like you have good coverage


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« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2016, 11:46:09 PM »
Looks nice. I have painted whole cars one side at a time outside the big door.
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« Reply #143 on: July 19, 2016, 12:29:29 AM »
Looks nice. I have painted whole cars one side at a time outside the big door.
I'm debating quite seriously now a colour matched kit or two to do the rockers.
It would be a debadge demould and from the doorline down.
It shoots really easy and seems quite even, so it may happen to prolong the life of the panels some more.

I would have done it outside but there is rain in the forecast.
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« Reply #144 on: July 19, 2016, 12:31:30 AM »
Looks like you have good coverage


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It covered really well. I'm going to have to look real hard to decide if it needs more on the rear.
I'm certain that there will be one more coat on the front, simply to beat down the rocks better.
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« Reply #145 on: July 19, 2016, 12:37:07 AM »
So my hour passed, and I could evaluate the first (maybe only) coat on the rear.
It looks good for now, so on to the front we go.





Now I'm no expert, but they say 45 square feet per bottle. I did the outside of the front, and maybe 1/3 of the inside. So I must be putting it on pretty thick.

I'm really liking how this is looking.

And for the record, I tried the gunwash solvent I had, and it cleaned the gun quite handily.
So it seems that any of the usual suspects will do the job.

I'm going to shoot another coat in the morning on the front, and do any touch up work on the rear that may be needed.

How long does this really need to cure before I can put them back on.
I did the not 'manly' thing and read the instructions.
They say 72 hours before water contact...
Any thoughts from experience?
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #146 on: July 19, 2016, 07:54:20 AM »
I usually wait atleast 48 hours before I do anything with them.  Wait for as long as you can as it will get harder the longer it dries. 

As for the rockers I would do them if you just want to clean them up and make them look a little nicer.  I wouldn't count on it prolonging there life much.  Around here in WI anyway rockers generally rot from the inside out.

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #147 on: July 19, 2016, 08:16:31 AM »
I don't have a cancer problem yet. I get what you mean about WI.
It was an odd winter for me last year to get stuck in the salt as ad as I did.
It's more stone chips that need dealt with.
I was actually quite shocked the last time I rolled around underneath how good of shape everything still was. Now with these chips, if I don't get after s few of them now they will cause problems later.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
Sam

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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #148 on: July 19, 2016, 09:43:06 AM »
I think you could handle that after 48 hours of "Warm" drying time. I've moved my SquareD bumpers the very next day with no issues. And I think one coat is enough, although two coats would be super durable.

Finish looks great, Sam!
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Re: Sam's 2006 LBZ front bumper
« Reply #149 on: July 19, 2016, 10:00:40 AM »
That was my suspicion, went out this morning and added one more good coat to front of front bumper. It will likely see the worst of life. It was probably good, but heck I still had a couple bottles left. Totally forgot about my shackle until I hit the bottom of the bottle... ::)
So it got schmoo'd up with the little burps at the end. I guess I'll fix it with undercoating.

Very happy with how it shot and the finish looks really good.
Thanks all for using this, I'd never heard of it till it showed up here whenever that was.

I think I'll have to set the stocker back on front for a couple days.
I think I'd settled on 48 hours, and yours and bears comments confirm the need to wait at least that long. Wonder how long the stank will pollute the garage air for. Seems a tad bit thicker than spray bomb for a wuick job. Lol.

Thanks again all for the answers to the questions.
Will update when there is one.
Cheers! I'm on vacation finally!
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
Sam