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Title: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:33:15 PM
I will be building a 12 X 12 X 8 shed in my basement in panels which I will break down, transport, and reassemble on site at the farm. I have found this to be a pretty easy way to get things like a shed assembled in the warmth of a shop, then quickly re-erected at the field site.

I will be laying the deck tomorrow, much as the Navee lays a keel, then later welds a ship to it.

The project is meant to be easy enough to easily be duplicated (Too many "easy's) by any of you boneheads.

It will live at my Hide Site farm which is located here:
http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=3051.new#new

Here is the stack of lumber:
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:37:44 PM
This post will be the materials list, which I will update as I go along and actually purchase everything

Floor/Deck:

4 X 6 X 12  pressure treated      3 ea
2 X 6 12 PT                              9 ea
3 1/2" #10 deck screws            Large box
1/4" X 8" timber lock screws     50
3/4" OSB                                 5 sheets
Approx 5 tons of Dense grade gravel

            Cost: $488        Time spent: 9.5 hours

Framing:
2 X 4 X 8                     10 ea.
2 X 4 X 12                     4 ea.
#9 1 3/4" screws          Large box
#10 3 1/2" Screws        Large box
4 X 8 Smart panel         3 ea.

        Cost:  $255    Total Cost: $743     Time spent: 0.0 hrs       Total time spent:   9.5 hours

More framing
2 X 4 X 8                                    26 ea
4 X 8 Smart panel siding                   5 sheets
36" Steel entry door with curved lite   1 ea.
Anderson 23" X 31" window               1 ea.

Cost: $504      Total Cost: $1,247         Time: 0.0            Total Time spent 9.5 hours

Build front wall

Cost $0           Total Cost: $ 1247         Time: 6.0           Total time spent: 15.5 hours

Build two side panels and reinforce main doors

Cost  $0           Total Cost $1,247        Time 3.5           Total time spent:  19.0 hours

Build three more panels inc Door and Window

Cost $0            Total Cost $1,247        Time  5.0          Total time spent  24 hours

Purchase Materials
4ea   4 X 8 Smart Panel
18 ea   2 X 4 X 8
Hardware for main doors, Latches, Catch

Cost   $230     Total Cost:   $1,477           Time: 0.0       Total Time:   24 hours

More Wall building

Constructed door latch system
Assembled two additional wall panels

Cost   $0   Total Cost  $1,477    Time 4.0    Total Time: 28 hours

Painted Walls

Purchased 4 gallons of Behr premium paint
Assembled final two wall panels
Painted all 13 wall panels and doors

Cost: $212    Total Cost $1,689   Time 4.5 hours    Total Time: 32.5 hours

Created more trim/painted trim/installed window

Cut window trim pieces
Removed and painted all trim that had been created so far
Mounted window
Painted service door

Cost  $0.0    Total Cost  $1,689   Time 4.0 hrs     Total time: 36.5 hours

Assembled the walls onto the base

Purchased 5 additional sheets of OSB
Transported materials to job site
Purchased two gallons of Thompson water seal
Erected wall panels

Cost   $145   Total Cost  $1834   Time 6.0 hrs   Total time:  42.5 hours

Roof Truss Construction

Purchased 2 X 6
Purchased 2 X 4
Purchased 7/16" OSB plywood

Cost $216   Total Cost  $2060   Time 4.5 hrs  Total time:   50.0 hours

End Gable construction

Purchased three sheets of exterior smart panel
Purchased two foundation vents

Cost $99   Total Cost  $2159   Time 3.0 hours    Total hours  53.0

Gable end construction with painting

Cost  $0   Total Cost  $2159    Time 3.5 hours    Total Hours   56.5


Roof Metal Ordered

Roof gable end vents installed and trimmed

Cost: $303   Total Cost: $2462    Time  0.5 hours  Total Hours 57.0

Roof Assembled and mostly covered with metal

Materials:
10- 2 X 4 X 14
4-   1 X 8 X 8
2-   1 X 8 X 14

Cost $125   Total Cost $2587   Time 8.0   Total hours  65

Roof installation Completed

Door knob dead bolt purchase

Cost $78   Total Cost: $ 2665   Time 5.2   Total hours: 70.2

Service door installation/Front door alignment/Latch install

Cost: $0   Total Cost $2665   Time 2.0  Total hours: 72.2

Soffit

Cost:  $116    Total Cost:  $2,781  Time:  10  Total hours: 80.2

Interior shelving

Cost: $156     Total Cost:  $2,937  Time 3.5    Total Hours:  83.7

Finish trimming

Cost: $0   Total Cost: $2,937   Time: 3.0   Total hours: 86.7
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:42:13 PM
Here is the floor plan

Note that the circles show post hole and pier locations if you wish to set it more permanently in place. The squares are concrete paver blocks placed here and there to provide support

My shed will rest directly on a packed/elevated bed of gravel. I opted for 2X6 based on the fact that the joists will be supported along the entirety of their length, but had I wanted to use piers, and considering I am going to be parking one of my medium sized tractors in there, I would have gone to 8's or 10's
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
The front wall will have two hinged doors opening to almost 8 feet wide and nearly as tall

Note here, and one of the reasons I ma building my own as opposed to buying a prebuilt.

The first reason is that people these days (kids) build junk. Since they have never had to do anything, why should we expect to see quality workmanship from them. I toured a local lot, and after seeing their quality built sheds, I laughed. One shed, the kid with the nailer was obviously high. I counted 13 nails into the butt of a single 2 X 4. Some hit, some missed, and the rest chopped that two by up pretty well. Just terrible workmanship.

The second reason is that most sheds had a 6'3" wall. Why??? Dunno... yuppie/hippie math I guess. but I actually want room in mine.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:49:29 PM
Either door

This is not a final design, just something to get me going. I will likely do something cool on those doors and not use this setup.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
The back wall...

Keep in mind that the wall will be built in 4' X 8' sections or panels, then screwed together on site. That should make for some easy handling.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:51:42 PM
Side walls
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:53:24 PM
Roof truss

6/12 pitch, 10" overhang sides, 12" overhang front/back
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:54:36 PM
Standard metal roof.

2 X 4's on 24" center screwed across the rafters covered with 26 ga. 40 year metal
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
First stab at materials list:
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 04, 2018, 07:55:59 AM
Don, have you priced out doing  metal pole barn approach with a shed roof? Rpanel on exterior walls and roof?

I havent done a side by side but would think that the materials costs might be lower  for the metal with the price of wood nowadays.

Just a thought,
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 06:07:08 PM
Don, have you priced out doing  metal pole barn approach with a shed roof? Rpanel on exterior walls and roof?

I havent done a side by side but would think that the materials costs might be lower  for the metal with the price of wood nowadays.

Just a thought,
Have not

But I concur with the price of wood. It surpassed outrageous last summer and is on its way to riciculous.

This structure, and the mechanical room add on to the big shed will remain stick built, but for the smallish building going up around the well, that will for sure be a wood frame/metal skin hybrid, as will any significant structure in the future.

Part of the reason I elected to build 12-Square in the traditional way was ease of construction while here at my Casa-Main. Build and sort it out here like I did for the water containment structure, then simply fit all the parts together down there and have a shed ricky-tick.

The other reason is that I enjoy working with wood and making something from the puzzle of materials if you will...
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
I selected a build site, put in a bolder retaining wall, and leveled the spot with gravel. This is the tightly packed "Dense grade" material that does not move very much at all
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 08:12:38 PM
I used a 12 foot 4 X 6 to get as close to level as I could whilst grading with my tractor. It took awhile but I managed to get a pad in that had about a one inch rise from end to end.I decided to go with this as I don't really have the equipment to get it any better.

The plan will be to relevel the deck once it is assembled to find that sweet spot, and hopefully after a few freeze/thaw cycles which will serve to pack that stuff some more.
Using the southern beam as a reference, I worked to level the other three legs, one at a time. I definitely had to do a little digging to get there. I'd say by the end I had it within 1/2" of level from end to end
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 08:13:44 PM
All sub floor beams are attached by 6" X 1/4" timber lock screws
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 08:19:06 PM
Leveling and paying attention to "Square" takes a lot of time and patience

Did I ever mention I am not the best with patience?

Probably not...

But look at what happened:

Caveat: Don does not do "square" or "Plumb"

Just can't!

I can make a helicopter speak french, and land a jet so smoothly you can't tell we touched down, but build something square?...Me?...Simply can't

So, this is a fluke

Something which has never happened, and will never repeat itself again!

And as fate would have it, did not last the day!

Stay tuned!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 08:25:57 PM
Then in went the joists, one by one. Even though I sketched it out with joists on 16" centers, I changed the design to have them sitting on 24" centers. Reason is, originally, I was going to perch the building on six concrete piers, requiring more stiffness. That would have used 2 X 8's and more of them. But with literally every inch of the 2X6 "bedded" if you will in an elevated pad of this dense grade, well, there is zero span-wise flexing going on. And after jumping on the 3/4" panels screwed to these joists, I am not seeing any movement to worry about.

The pics don't show it, but I actually nearly filled the first few chambers with the gravel as well. I do not intend for the OSB to rest directly on gravel, but rather to provide for an ample amount of material to backfill under any voids after I possibly lift the decs a bit to do my final leveling.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 08:31:20 PM
And that's when I snatched disaster from the jaws of victory!

While pouring gravel into the chambers using the tractor, I laid the bucket down to back drag the stuff level.

That was a mistake

It cost me an hour to dig out two smashed joists, and set new ones back in. Forgetting to check for square, I later discovered I had shifted the base just enough to get a slight misalignment of the decking.

Know what??

I don't care. Its a shed that Don built. Why should me or anyone else expect it to be either square or plumb?

And that got me and the deck done. I did get the other panel and a half screwed down, but I was too cold and all over caring about anything except to get warmed up and in a comfy bed...Which I did after 30 min of soaking in an epsom salt bath.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 06, 2018, 08:35:37 PM
That thing feels really solid and grounded! (Get it?? Grounded?? Like it's in the ground...;-)

The greater majority of sheds around here are simply resting on some concrete blocks. They do OK except when the occasional tornado visits. THose sheds get transplanted in Kansas or OZ I hear.

So today, Pre-Ranger numba biggest and I went and purchased the materials for the front wall and doors. Plan is to build those panels in the basement in the next few daze!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 06, 2018, 11:48:51 PM
You could drill some holes and stake it in with rebar on some spots to further hold it in place.


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 07, 2018, 08:52:01 AM
Don you might want to look into cement stabilized sand to see if it’s available around you.

http://www.cement.org/cement-concrete-applications/paving/soil-cement


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: JR on January 08, 2018, 01:46:18 AM
I would secure it too. A hole in each corner down a few feet would do wonders in high winds.

Oh, I know why you ran over the stuff, its the hat.

On another note have you thought about sliding doors? No need to keep 5ft open around them all the time and no stress or sagging. Have it on my shed and love it.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 08, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
You could drill some holes and stake it in with rebar on some spots to further hold it in place.


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Not a bad idea!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Atkinsmatt on January 08, 2018, 03:27:49 PM
This would also be a great time to stub in a place for future power.  Just in case.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 08, 2018, 03:43:00 PM
This would also be a great time to stub in a place for future power.  Just in case.
I'm going to add electricity from the get go. For now, it will allow me to run a battery tender/charger and lights.

In the future when I get the place fully off grid, I could push power backwards into the "Grid" is so desired.

Any roof is a place to mount the Solar panels
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2018, 09:10:35 PM
Got the front wall mostly built today.

I started by simply laying out a couple 2 X 4 X 12's. These will be transferred onto the top of the walls once I get them screwed together at the job site.

I used steel angle braces to hold them together for now
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2018, 09:12:33 PM
Next, I framed out two 2' X 8' sections with 2 X 4's screwing through the sheeting every 12" with #9 X 2" screws
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2018, 09:14:07 PM
Then I built two four foot wide doors to span the gap and offer a generous 8' X 8' opening to the shed for the tractor
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2018, 09:16:09 PM
I angle cut the cross bracing so as to be a tight fit, then screwed it together with 3" screws in the framing and 2" screws attaching the sheet of smart panel to the frame. It pulled up and became very rigid.

I'll hang the doors with a 3/8" gap all around using heavy duty gate hinges
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2018, 09:17:00 PM
Both doors are fitted and operate perfectly
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2018, 09:18:22 PM
Then I started trimming the outside of the doors with 1" pine board cut to various widths

And that got me all the way to 1900, and time to roll up the carpet for the day
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: stewie on January 16, 2018, 08:00:32 AM
looking good so far.

what type of metal for the roof? the standard corrugated metal?
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2018, 09:06:41 AM
looking good so far.

what type of metal for the roof? the standard corrugated metal?
No, not the standard galvanized stuff, I'll use the same 26 gage rolled metal I have been using, in green, of course

Oh, and Kat mentioned she does not like green roofs! Well that was timely! I have, what 4 green roofs down farmside at the moment!!! Womenses...
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: stewie on January 16, 2018, 12:28:12 PM
looking good so far.

what type of metal for the roof? the standard corrugated metal?
No, not the standard galvanized stuff, I'll use the same 26 gage rolled metal I have been using, in green, of course

Oh, and Kat mentioned she does not like green roofs! Well that was timely! I have, what 4 green roofs down farmside at the moment!!! Womenses...

welcome to my world.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 16, 2018, 01:00:06 PM
Spray paint them camo I guess that way she can’t see them


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2018, 09:56:26 PM
I am keeping the initial cost post current

So far I have spent $1,247 and have 19 hours of time invested

Today I picked up more materials and built two more wall panels.

I an still using panels from the same stack at Home Depot
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2018, 09:59:11 PM
This stuff is really hard, almost like hardy backer board. I wonder if they sue a harder glue to hold the OSB chips together??

It handles well, but is somewhat flimsy as shown here. After adding the 2 X 4's and making it a semi-monocoque structure it gets very rigid and has near zero flex
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2018, 10:02:16 PM
I took my time to build up two more 4 X 8 panels using the premium grade 2 X 4's placed on 24" centers. It's a shed and I can scarcely justify building the thing on 16" centers

Those panels are numbered and fit together like a puzzle, overlapping the prior panel in a lap joint arrangement
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
The beauty of what you're looking at is with the quick removal of just a few screws that whole thing breaks down into just five panels so far. When complete, I'll have 13 wall panels and doors, two end gables, seven additional rafter trusses, some roof metal, and a stack of loose lumber to finish the roof

Next I stiffened up the doors a bunch since they will see a lot of use over the years. I laid down wood glue first, then fastened either OSB or left over 2 X 12 angles with a few screws to hold it together until the glue sets up. As a result those doors got pretty stiff and are very straight
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2018, 10:09:58 PM
Here's the service door with the curved lite. I wanted to doll the thing up a bit so the MRS will like it and make it look at home, landscaped into the garden setting it will reside in shortly
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 16, 2018, 10:11:17 PM
This window will sit opposite of the door and be accompanied by one additional window on the back wall for good daytime lighting.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: JR on January 17, 2018, 12:50:27 AM
I use the same paneling on my house. Nice stuff but is going for $30 a sheet now!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2018, 12:30:26 PM
I use the same paneling on my house. Nice stuff but is going for $30 a sheet now!
$29.35 - 10% mil discount = $26.42 for meeee :-))))))
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2018, 10:31:55 PM
Another few hours and more of the wall panels are now complete

I am building them one at a time, but I will cut all the studs for 2-3 panels at a time to keep me efficient and production line oriented.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2018, 10:33:30 PM
Next up I assembled and cut out the opening for the door panel. The plan will be to fit the door once the walls are fastened down with a roof overhead
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2018, 10:37:59 PM
I left the bottom 2 X 4 installed so as to hole the panel in its square configuration. I will cut it out when the panel is finalized at the build site.

So, following the door panel, next up was to build a window panel. Same concept here. Build the panel, check for proper fit, then assemble it to the structure without mounting the window.

Another reason not to mount the window is that the entire thing will be painted first to prevent overspray
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2018, 10:45:25 PM
Then I built one more wall panel to complete that side wall

I now have one panel for the other side wall and three back wall panels to build and I'll have four walls completed
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 17, 2018, 10:46:33 PM
No animals were harmed in the making of this shed!

But one was scared a few times when someone chased it around with a drill ;-))
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: JR on January 18, 2018, 01:19:16 PM
Better hope that drill doesn't get buried someplace.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2018, 06:50:18 PM
Better hope that drill doesn't get buried someplace.
;-)
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2018, 07:13:46 PM
Purchased the rest of the materials to complete the walls

Cost so far $1,477 and I have 24 hours labor invested.

The foundation, floor joists and deck is complete

The walls are 75% complete and paid for

This is going to be one cost effective project when complete

Remember, looking at these pre built Amish buildings a 10 X 16 was in the mid $4,800 range, say $4850 for grins. It had a bit more square footage (16 ft/2 more) but only had 6'3" walls, so total volume was:

Commercial building: 1000 Cu. Ft
My building:  1152 Cu Ft  And ability to construct a sizable loft

I estimate I will come in at less than half the price of that commercially built thing which is not screwed together, but nailed, is smaller, has shingles vs my steel roof, does not have a loft to speak of vs my loft/second floor of at least 5' height

And did I mention mine is less than half the price!

Those Amish are pretty highly paid folks! What a deal! Most of them are also tax exempt and they never spend a day of their lives serving their nation in its military...Pretty cool deal wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Jared Herzog on January 19, 2018, 08:00:28 PM
People would be better off always building their own storage buildings. The ones that can be purchased pre built around here are expensive and poorly constructed. They utilize 2x3 studs 24”oc and masonite siding with the cheapest three tab shingles a guy can find.
You may be able to put some guys to work prefabbing walls and put your own kit together.
We have done a few storage/well buildings and we try to incorporate hidden storage in the ceiling joists for rifles. The walls and ceiling get osb sheeting on the inside which gets screwed down. The attic floor also has a layer of osb or plywood to create the hidden storage in the ceiling. These screws can be removed in different places to reveal canned food storage and ammo stockpiles. The 3 1/2” cavity can have pine dividers installed so almost anything a guy might want to hide can be stacked.
We have sat down with more than one homeowner and strongly suggested they leave their home for the storage building in the event of a tornado. These homes where we recommended this were framed terribly poorly. The walls had cracks you could fit your fingers into and swayed in the wind.
These small buildings can be made SUPER strong. When we do a reinforced storage building it gets extra concrete anchors during the pour. Then the base plate is anchored more with additional wedge anchors. All plywood sheeting must grab the bottom plate and both top plates then it is best to go with structural soffit.  The inside gets 3/4” plywood. The outside gets hardi and under that 5/8” plywood. The plywood layers stop projectiles like flying studs better than osb. This plywood sandwich can be insulated or foamed inside. Some have us fill the cavity with sand or maximizer in lifts. The sand filled cavity is better with a thicker wall.  Go 2x6 or 2x8. This will stop or slow down bullets.
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Here is my 12x14 with 4x8 porch and hidden storage. The window looks like a weak link but there is a 3/4” layer of plywood that slips into slots and is pinned in. It is then painted black to look dark inside. The door locks are anchored into studs and there are metal plates slotted into the studding. I plan to epoxy fill the door and add timbers that also prevent the door from being kicked in.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2018, 08:10:54 PM
That is Great!
I love all the ideas you just posted there boss
I think I may just adopt a few of those for myself...OSB on the inside of the studs with sand filled voids...Now that is one clever idea!
I wasn't making my shed a fighting position or safe room or anything like that, just something to keep my tractor in and get the petroleum products and paints out of the shed to free up needed work space. I am building larger things all the time in the shed, then transporting those pieces to the job/assembly site. As such I need room to build wall sections and have room to walk around and still operate the various tools at the work stations in the shop.

Anyway, thanks for sharing those grand ideas...Sand in walls, who'd of thunk it!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: JR on January 19, 2018, 09:28:15 PM
A 2x6 sand filled would be a great barrier when they incoming. Any issue with rotting or as long as its weather tight and dry you are good.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2018, 10:03:01 PM
A 2x6 sand filled would be a great barrier when they incoming. Any issue with rotting or as long as its weather tight and dry you are good.
My head started spinning as soon as I read that

Take sand and mix with some portland. Just enough to make it sticky

Reason?

When taking fire, bullet impacts would chew the smart panel apart PDQ, and if sand filled, your protection would be getting closer to the ground all the time. But with layers of portland it just might stay in place better when the wood gets missing... ;-)
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Post by: stlaser on January 19, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Those Amish are pretty highly paid folks! What a deal! Most of them are also tax exempt and they never spend a day of their lives serving their nation in its military...Pretty cool deal wouldn't you say?

They’re not tax exempt, that is a misconception. They don’t pay SS, or the Medicaid etc. but then again they don’t collect either. They used to come into my wife’s ER’s, they always paid cash and received a 50% discount just like anyone else paying in cash upfront. I think they bypass unemployment possibly but again don’t collect. They do pay sales tax, estate taxes, property taxes, state / fed taxes & in many cases into a local community fund as well. I know all of this because my wife has Amish in the family, her dad was Amish until he left the church at 15.......

As for military service, nope they don’t do that. However, neither did I so guess we’re the same. There is also a misconception they won’t fight etc, not true. Most generally they try not to fight but they will stand their ground push come to shove.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 19, 2018, 11:26:19 PM
Don, check out the book I sent you if you want to talk about ballistic resistance.  gravel between the walls.  Sand will not do it.

Here is a video of a guy testing Skousen's gravel filled wall.  He even sounds like he's from the tuck.

https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/gravel-wall-bulletproofing-test/

It takes more sand than you can get between studs to stop a round
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Post by: wyorunner on January 20, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
Not to junk up a shed build further but I always wondered how well those styrofoam walls with concrete in the center would hold up. Particularly if you stuccoed the outside! I mean up north most use the 6,8 or 10” concrete. I’d like to think even 6” would withstand a significant amount of tornado projectiles and lead/copper projectiles alike.... maybe I need to test this.


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Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2018, 04:47:21 PM
Yea, Thinking about it, and remembering what bullets would get through overseas, I started to think that the sand filled walls might have another benefit...Stability. I mean, a shed with the lower half of the walls being sand filled would be pretty solid and stable in high winds, or possibly even in a tornado.

I think I just may do something like that. Seems like a great idea so far.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 20, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
What if you poured the gravel in and the sand in to fill the void?

What type of R value do you think? Better or worse


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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 20, 2018, 06:47:10 PM
I do not know how much sand it takes to stop the different bullets. I know they penetrate further than i would have guessed. Sand is easy to dry out and pour down a wall. I imagine with roving bands looting they will more likely be equipped with smaller weapons like handguns and 22 type findings. I hope a strong building with hidden storage has them moving on to easier targets. I would not want to be pinned down in a small building taking fire for any amount of time. I like hiding stuff everywhere. A home is more likely to be burned to the ground. Or at least burned first.
I am liking plywood more than osb currently. A test is hit osb with a hammer as hard as you can and watch the entire hammer and part of the handle go in. Now beat the plywood with a much larger hammer many many more times and all you get is a dent. I would hope this would stop more flying debris better.
I like the suggestion of gravel. It can be installed easily up to 4’ where the plywood seam is. From there finish it off with sand through a hole drilled in the top plate using a funnel. Around here we have cheap decomposed granite also.
At some point switching to 8”x8”x16” cinder blocks with rebar doubled up every lift and rebar in every tube filled 100% with maximizer gets stronger and affordable. It will not rot or burn. Then stucco the outside.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:19:26 PM
Today I prepped the doors for, and mounted the internal locking mechanisms which are uber simple sliding bolts

To secure the main door, I am using 6" slides with 1/2" steel sliding bolts. These will mount onto the top and bottom edge of the doors and slide into the floor and the structure above the door.

The secondary door will have two sliders as well, albeit 5" X 1/2" and will slide to and capture the adjacent door.

The concept of the operation here is to lock down the door from the inside, exit through the service door then lock it with a deadbolt and a standard door lock

On the outside of the big doors there will also be a massive sliding latch assembly with the option to padlock as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
Door without any latches or additional framing
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:22:25 PM
I needed to build up the thickness of the corners to flush out the area with the frame, so I added in a section of 3/8" plywood, and another 2 X 4 section. Those are all screwed and liberally glued into place
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:23:35 PM
Then the latches simply attach with some big screws into predrilled holes
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:24:28 PM
Then the secondary door latches were screwed into place, completing the inner door security system
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:26:06 PM
I started the day with only four wall sections remaining to be built. After a couple hours, I had two more built...Only two more, then its time to paint the wall panels and trim out the doors
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 22, 2018, 09:31:59 PM
Looking good Don.


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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:36:24 PM
With rain all day tomorrow, I'll make a run to HD or Slowes to get the paint.

After painting, next is to tear down the panel sections and load them onto the trailer for transport down farmside.

After the shop is cleared out, the roof truss/rafters are next along with the two end pieces which will look like an elongated triangle.

I had originally planned to build the thing using a 6/12 pitch, but i got to thinking...

So assume I attach 2X6 joists to the walls at the seven foot mark. I'd have 5.5" of wall on top of the floor, then the plate, 1.5", then another 3 feet height in the center for a total of 3'7" to throw things.

That is a tad bit cramped

an 8/12 pitch with four feet of space below the eve would give me 4'7" which is starting to be useful...

anyone up for a 10/12 roof???, and dropping the floor down to say 6'4" (I am 6'3")
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 09:44:04 PM
And no, I will not do a gambrel roof. I don't like that look at all.
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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 22, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
I store a ton of stuff in my attic in the storage building. I have a 6/12. An 8/12 would be better. I will pm you my number for 20% off behr paints and stains.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 22, 2018, 10:21:51 PM
I store a ton of stuff in my attic in the storage building. I have a 6/12. An 8/12 would be better. I will pm you my number for 20% off behr paints and stains.
Thanks!

Now what about a 8/12 with a shed dormer???...

One thing I am always seeming to think about is creating cool spaces for the ever increasing number of little people these girls of mine seem to be creating.

They already know "poppy" is always up for getting them into trouble or having some fun down at the farm...
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Post by: JR on January 23, 2018, 12:49:32 AM
Sounds like a good plan. More room is always better.

Heck, I thought you would make the door really secure like using a big bar across both doors like the did in castles.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 23, 2018, 06:06:14 AM
might was well go 12/12.  Just keep in mind that you need structural ridge beam or collar ties or something to keep the walls from spreading from the roof load pushing the walls out.
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Post by: Wilbur on January 23, 2018, 08:28:22 AM
Looks good Don. Good to get more storage for sure.

The Dad of a buddy of mine built his own place when he got back from WWII. He was a gunsmith and the first floor was concrete block foundation. He cut a couple of grooves at the top of some of the blocks and every night his change was sorted and put into them. My buddy had no idea until his Dad took him in there when he was getting ready to move- he had a small cold chisel and hammer, knocked out a couple of holes on the bottom blocks and the change just started flowing out- quarters in a couple, nickels in another, dimes, etc...all presorted. He said they were bagging it for a long time. Lots of places to hide stuff in concrete block if it's planned for.
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Post by: stlaser on January 23, 2018, 08:52:27 AM
Sounds like a good plan. More room is always better.

Heck, I thought you would make the door really secure like using a big bar across both doors like the did in castles.

I questioned why he locked one door on the inside top & bottom and not the other one? A large bar is a great idea too.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 06:50:43 PM
might was well go 12/12.  Just keep in mind that you need structural ridge beam or collar ties or something to keep the walls from spreading from the roof load pushing the walls out.
Will have a second floor about at the top of the walls, and i always include a plywood collar tie sort of thing to hold it all together anyway.

Maybe a 12/12 is in the works...
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:02:13 PM
Sounds like a good plan. More room is always better.

Heck, I thought you would make the door really secure like using a big bar across both doors like the did in castles.

I questioned why he locked one door on the inside top & bottom and not the other one? A large bar is a great idea too.
Main door has exterior trim board which completely captures the second door. Lateral latches are all that is needed. It's the way the main shed is secured

Keep questioning...The answer is out there...
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
OK, today was an ambitious one. Goal was to finish building the wall panels, then paint all four walls and the doors.

I can say with tired knees, I stand (sit) victorious!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:27:31 PM
Before going further, I'd like to take a moment to thank Jared H for allowing me to use his builders discount at the HD. Between his 20% and my 10% Military discount I walked out of there with 4 gallons of paint, a really good brush, some tape and spouts and a $15 PVC "T" all for $212 including tax!

Thank you sir!

So the color scheme continues unabated from the last couple builds. We have a dirty red base with a hunter green flat for the trim, and something akin to Oxford Brown for the doors, which I will also use for the rain gutter back splash and a couple other places to add continuity. THe service doors in the main shed will also adopt that brown color and to top it off, I will use the similar in color rain gutters and down spouts.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:28:29 PM
In this picture, You can see the final wall panel completed, now 13 total
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:29:41 PM
This portable HVLP sprayer has worked fine for me in the past, and after a through precleaning prior to (and after) painting it laid down some good coats of that rusty red.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:30:10 PM
The purdy stuff in the can:
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:31:14 PM
And now sprayed all over creation:
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:32:54 PM
The color shows differently when dried. It gets down right pretty when all the gloss from being wet is gone.

And, for the record, here is the actual color for me to reference should I ever need to do this again.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:34:02 PM
Not all of the paint got applied to the wall panels. THe shoes took a beating, but my glove covered hands did very well
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 07:34:46 PM
And of course, gotta give this one a single thumbs in the climb attitude!
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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 23, 2018, 09:42:50 PM
Looks great.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 23, 2018, 09:55:05 PM
Looks great.
J-Do you know that paint? The girlies who sold me to it said it had some sort of lifetime warranty...Whateva... But in real world terms, what do you think of it, assuming you have used it on jobs before?
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Post by: Jared Herzog on January 23, 2018, 10:17:24 PM
That is there best paint. I usually buy the grade below it. The paint you got has properties that resist fading for a very long time. It also repels stains and dust so less sticks to the paint and the color is “high definition” what ever that means.
The paint you got has excellent adhesion and expands and contracts to resist cracking which allows water to get in under the paint which is bad. It also has built in primer and is a one coat paint. I always do two coats but that paint can be done and look great with one thorough pass.
Most repaints we do are going over other workers contractor paints which means the cheapest a guy can get to bid a job and then add a quart of water to every gallon to cut it and make it go further. These require almost stripping with a pressure washer. Otherwise the best paint in the world is only as good as the layer under it. So if the first cheap layer peals then the expensive stuff comes off with it.
You did good with your selection.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: BobbyB on January 24, 2018, 06:08:35 AM
Getting awfully fancy with that smart watch.  :shocked:
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Post by: Sammconn on January 24, 2018, 07:56:47 AM
Getting awfully fancy with that smart watch.  :shocked:
I too noticed the watch change, and then wearing while painting...maybe chief want the old one back... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 10:54:08 AM
Getting awfully fancy with that smart watch.  :shocked:
I too noticed the watch change, and then wearing while painting...maybe chief want the old one back... :rolleyes:
I, ah, ran over the last one.
Was changing a hydraulic line on the tractor, so i took the watch off and laid it on the front tractor tire.

Note to self: Check the tires and area around the tractor when you fire it up before you drive away...Just in case you set a watch or a camera on the tire...
Oh, same rule applies to the truck as well.

It survived, but is sort of scratched up
Sales guy talked me into this Apple watch/phone.

Saved my bacon a time or two when my spirit is with me, but my knees aren't. Phone is ringin' in the other room and my ROA (Rate of acceleration) is not what it needs to be to make it before the last ring...

I just tap the screen a few dozen times and sometimes the phone becomes a pee-poor phone which this helicopter pilot with ears operatin' at about 50% can still get bits and pieces of the call.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 11:08:12 AM
That is there best paint. I usually buy the grade below it. The paint you got has properties that resist fading for a very long time. It also repels stains and dust so less sticks to the paint and the color is “high definition” what ever that means.
The paint you got has excellent adhesion and expands and contracts to resist cracking which allows water to get in under the paint which is bad. It also has built in primer and is a one coat paint. I always do two coats but that paint can be done and look great with one thorough pass.
Most repaints we do are going over other workers contractor paints which means the cheapest a guy can get to bid a job and then add a quart of water to every gallon to cut it and make it go further. These require almost stripping with a pressure washer. Otherwise the best paint in the world is only as good as the layer under it. So if the first cheap layer peals then the expensive stuff comes off with it.
You did good with your selection.
Yea, have to agree, something different about this paint.

Vibrant color to be sure.

So same color on the Privy, but I painted that with Sherwin Williams. This Behr stuff is almost "Alive" I mean, it really jumps out at you. It is very rich.

I sprayed down two coats on everything. Very thick, very covering, very bright, I like that stuff.
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Post by: BobbyB on January 24, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
Getting awfully fancy with that smart watch.  :shocked:
I too noticed the watch change, and then wearing while painting...maybe chief want the old one back... :rolleyes:
I, ah, ran over the last one.
Was changing a hydraulic line on the tractor, so i took the watch off and laid it on the front tractor tire.

Note to self: Check the tires and area around the tractor when you fire it up before you drive away...Just in case you set a watch or a camera on the tire...
Oh, same rule applies to the truck as well.

It survived, but is sort of scratched up
Sales guy talked me into this Apple watch/phone.

Saved my bacon a time or two when my spirit is with me, but my knees aren't. Phone is ringin' in the other room and my ROA (Rate of acceleration) is not what it needs to be to make it before the last ring...

I just tap the screen a few dozen times and sometimes the phone becomes a pee-poor phone which this helicopter pilot with ears operatin' at about 50% can still get bits and pieces of the call.

Going to have to get yourself a Suunto or GShock.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 02:28:50 PM
Getting awfully fancy with that smart watch.  :shocked:
I too noticed the watch change, and then wearing while painting...maybe chief want the old one back... :rolleyes:
I, ah, ran over the last one.
Was changing a hydraulic line on the tractor, so i took the watch off and laid it on the front tractor tire.

Note to self: Check the tires and area around the tractor when you fire it up before you drive away...Just in case you set a watch or a camera on the tire...
Oh, same rule applies to the truck as well.

It survived, but is sort of scratched up
Sales guy talked me into this Apple watch/phone.

Saved my bacon a time or two when my spirit is with me, but my knees aren't. Phone is ringin' in the other room and my ROA (Rate of acceleration) is not what it needs to be to make it before the last ring...

I just tap the screen a few dozen times and sometimes the phone becomes a pee-poor phone which this helicopter pilot with ears operatin' at about 50% can still get bits and pieces of the call.

Going to have to get yourself a Suunto or GShock.
Bobby, after buying Spud, I don't have enough left over to pay attention!
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:02:03 PM
OK, givin the project a few more hours today. Except for sore knees/feet/back/etc. this is fun!

Pics here are P + 24 so we can look at the color once dried and get a feel for overall initial paint performance. It was not totally cured in a few spots, but I was fairly generous with the application of the stuff. The color, though, shown with various angles relative to the light source is everything I wanted and more.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
So, we are at 36.5 hours invested so far, with a price so far of under $1,700

I screwed the window gingerly into place. My opening was almost plumb, but some minor adjustments got the window in there in the correct position
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:09:31 PM
Then I created the four trim pieces for the outside presentation

I just searched and found my artsy-fartsy side and used it just long enough to get something that looked other than trim work at the O-K Corral
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:11:21 PM
Must have been thinkin' about a bird or something when I sketched up that thing^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Then I laid down two coats of the green Behr premium paint
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:12:35 PM
I even touched up the area that had been masked by the trim when the red went down
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:14:36 PM
Next up, I removed the metal door from the casing and sanded it down with emery paper, then went all over it with a wet towel. Nice thing about painting with Latex, is the fact that you can clean with a damp towel with no worries of affecting paint adhesion
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
The Brown is the same high quality stuff, although this stuff is semi gloss to provide a bit more contrast with the adjacent flat walls
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
The paint swatches looked great together, but not completely sure here. Will have to await complete drying and natural light before the Big D makes the call, Hero or Zero...
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:18:59 PM
And...Here we are an hour on with anywhere between complete drying (trim) to partial drying (metal door)
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 24, 2018, 07:21:15 PM
I use quality Wooster brushes. The door paint (semi-gloss) required a different brush that I had used for the trim pieces. It has a finer makeup of the bristles or wishers, or hairs or strings, or you know, the stuff on the end you use to quickly brush across the nose of your sleeping dog...That stuff.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 10:46:53 AM
Here's the door painted and dried, two coats
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 10:48:32 AM
I wanted to do some more things to make the building secure. So, starting with these steel pipes, I welded "T's" to the top to create some bars and additional door security
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
The bars simply slide through the upper and lower holes, thereby reducing the opening of the window
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 10:52:11 AM
They also limit the opening angle of the window so s skinny little lady-like hippie can't slither through the opening.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 10:54:44 AM
The R-Bar "T's" will eventually slide between the upper and lower secondary main door frames and adjacent framing

For now, they are in holes between opposing doors
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 10:56:50 AM
Then I laid down a coat of Behr white onto the door and door frame
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 26, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
   Need to fab a place to secure the door bars on the door or attach with a wire that they hang from when not installed.  Otherwise a ranger will set it down and you’ll never see it again


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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 26, 2018, 03:05:25 PM
Don I have something like this in mind, weld a washer or something round so you can get a length of plastic coated wire from the local HD and a few of those compression clamps for said wire. Make a loop at each end.  Eye bolt and a loop of cable attached to the swinging door, loop of cable through the t handle  so when the t handle isn’t used it dangles but not lost
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Post by: Sammconn on January 26, 2018, 04:58:50 PM
Here's the door painted and dried, two coats


...and then he paints it back to white... :facepalm:
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 26, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
Sam:

THATS THE INSIDE!  Snowblind?  Stop down and visit some green/brown scenery to reset your vision there buddy!
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Post by: Sammconn on January 26, 2018, 08:18:30 PM
Sam:

THATS THE INSIDE!  Snowblind?  Stop down and visit some green/brown scenery to reset your vision there buddy!

But it was white...
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 08:32:03 PM
   Need to fab a place to secure the door bars on the door or attach with a wire that they hang from when not installed.  Otherwise a ranger will set it down and you’ll never see it again


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Or: I'll run over one of them with Spud and get the first "Flat Track" in history!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2018, 08:34:02 PM
Sam:

THATS THE INSIDE!  Snowblind?  Stop down and visit some green/brown scenery to reset your vision there buddy!

But it was white...
It was primer only Sam

Now its covered with real paint!

And, for the record,

White inside,brown outside
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Post by: cudakidd53 on January 26, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
Just the one eyed Art Teacher razzing you there Sam...... :beercheers:
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Post by: BobbyB on January 27, 2018, 07:30:13 AM
Don I have something like this in mind, weld a washer or something round so you can get a length of plastic coated wire from the local HD and a few of those compression clamps for said wire. Make a loop at each end.  Eye bolt and a loop of cable attached to the swinging door, loop of cable through the t handle  so when the t handle isn’t used it dangles but not lost
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Weld a washer to the horizontal bar of his fancy anti-windowopener and problem solved.
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Post by: Flyin6 on January 27, 2018, 04:37:45 PM
Or just forget about it, as the new yorkers say and drive on!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2018, 12:02:27 PM
Today, we loaded up the prebuilt panels and assembled them onto the base down at the farm.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2018, 12:03:29 PM
And just like that, had a 12 foot square box blocking some of the view
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
Finally, I splashed around two gallons of Thompson water seal onto the floor for now just to give it a bit more protection

So far I am into this project for a bit more than $1,800 and a tad more than 42 hours of my life (Not counting recovery time ;-0)
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Post by: Nate on March 05, 2018, 06:00:36 PM
nice
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 05, 2018, 08:18:51 PM
Nice open air concept ....;-)


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Post by: JR on March 05, 2018, 08:38:41 PM
Cool. That house looks bare, didn't you say the foundation was solid?
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2018, 09:36:10 PM
Cool. That house looks bare, didn't you say the foundation was solid?
Solid wood and gravel!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2018, 09:25:36 PM
I work on when I can.

Now that my knee is in full healing mode, I can devote time to this project again. I am doing a full court press to get the thing dried in. That means a roof! To that end, I purchased all the materials to build the roof trusses and went about assembling them.

But before doing that, I noted that even with the thick coat of paint on the service door interior, it still needed another coat, so I started with that
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2018, 09:28:31 PM
First up was to build the Truss assembly gig to ensure uniformity and soundness of their construction. I screwed down a sacrifice sheep of OSB, and set up for seven 6/12 trusses.

I had vacillated between doing something steeper than the traditional 6 pitch roof, but in the final analysis, I will be able to add a dropped floor to the back section of the shed and get all the vertical space I would ever need. Plus the styling of the six-pitch fits the gardes setting very well me thinks.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2018, 09:31:30 PM
The truss is a simple affair, because that's all it needs to be. Using 2 X 6 rafters and 2 X 4 collar ties overlaid with OSB reinforcements it is designed to capture a 2 X 6 X 14 at the peak to align and screw together to become a semi monocoque frame structure.

After sorting out the dimensions, it was off to the races cutting out all the various pieces and parts to get ready for a mindless assembly line experience
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2018, 09:33:06 PM
And then the actual assembly.

First two off were the one siders, destined to be the gable ends and covered with sheeting
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Simple but strong, and with the use of this fir, light!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2018, 09:35:43 PM
There's a crap ton of strength in these joints. Glued everywhere and screwed together with OSB panels on both sides, it will easily carry the light snow loads and occasional gusty winds we see.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Four down, three to go!
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Post by: JR on March 12, 2018, 11:55:36 PM
Looks like above average work as expected. Nice job getting them done.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 13, 2018, 12:37:52 AM
Don do you use a truss calculator or do you just wing it? (Get the pilot joke?)


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Post by: Flyin6 on March 13, 2018, 01:48:11 PM
Don do you use a truss calculator or do you just wing it? (Get the pilot joke?)


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Pole barn truss calculator for spans/lengths/angles

But nothing for load on such small projects...Just a shed
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 14, 2018, 09:08:30 PM
Nothing much to report other than all roof trusses are now completed and ready to assemble to the shed walls
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 14, 2018, 09:09:46 PM
I have a well house project coming right up in a couple weeks, so I am just going to keep this jig to build more 6/12 trusses with the simple collar tie when needed
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 14, 2018, 09:13:28 PM
I found the time to slap another coat of that very excellent paint onto the door, and with exception of installing the knob and dead bolt, it's now ready to go in as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 14, 2018, 09:14:28 PM
All in all, my 25 X 25 wood shop is pretty effective at handling medium sized projects
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:26:39 PM
Got a few hours in on the roof truss/rafters

I picked up three sheets of smart panel at the HD and went after filling in the end gables in prep to hanging all that business down there.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:29:01 PM
I had to add the base crosstie where the truss will rest on the top of the wall. I failed to buy a 2 X 6 X 12 so I just scabbed two eight footers together. It is super strong, and not really structural anyway, and its a shed!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:30:28 PM
Heavily glued and screwed, that cross tie will be plenty strong enough.

I added gussets to the ends out of 7/16" OSB (outside board ;-))
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:31:20 PM
Then after centering up a fresh sheet of smart panel, marked and cut that along with a piece for the other gable end.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:33:00 PM
That got marked for the vent, and a one foot square hole cut out

I just used a couple of aluminum foundation wall vents. They cost $10.20 ea and will do the job just fine
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:34:46 PM
I screwed and glued the smart panel onto the frame for added strength.

I gave the vent a coat of semi flat black
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:35:57 PM
The vent will get trimmed out with some green painted 3/4 pine
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
Four more pieces of smart panel and we should have the end gables all filled in and weather tite.

When I mount the two together, there will be a gap between the panels which will be used to route wiring and will get covered by more trim pieces after assembly
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2018, 09:45:38 PM
And so far, here is where the project stands:


Total Cost  $2159   Total hours  53.0

I still have to purchase the roof materials, the soffits, the gutters, a door knob and dead bolt and some 3/4" to rip down for use as trim pieces.

But I'm nearing the final stretch, and should be able to squeeze this in under $2500 and have a full 8' wall height. My savings will be around 50% less than a purchased unit.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 19, 2018, 11:07:58 PM
In years passed we framed the facia and soffit onto the gabel ends all in one shot.  Granted it makes it heavy to lift but sure beats doing it from a ladder


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 19, 2018, 11:10:24 PM
Sounds like good planning and execution Don.  I have a pile of receipts for my casita and haven't even started adding up the cost yet.

I'm afraid of what I might find....
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Post by: cudakidd53 on March 20, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
Sounds like good planning and execution Don.  I have a pile of receipts for my casita and haven't even started adding up the cost yet.

I'm afraid of what I might find....

Just burn them Charles......It's not like you're going to return anything to the store! :laugh:
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 20, 2018, 09:28:58 PM
Sounds like good planning and execution Don.  I have a pile of receipts for my casita and haven't even started adding up the cost yet.

I'm afraid of what I might find....

Just burn them Charles......It's not like you're going to return anything to the store! :laugh:
This^^^^


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Post by: Flyin6 on March 20, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
finished up the gable ends to painting...a bit of trim and they are finished ready to install.

First I finished sheeting the first end piece
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 20, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
Then did about the same procedure with the second one. I think I may be using too many screws, since its the glue which really bonds the thing together
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 20, 2018, 09:43:30 PM
Then in short order, I had the second one completed and ready for paint
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 20, 2018, 09:44:56 PM
Then two coats of that Good titanium based paint from the Home Depot courtesy of a certain building guru who hangs out here.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 20, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
And some of the same good paint for the vent trim pieces
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 20, 2018, 09:47:15 PM
And, could you believe it...When shuffling stuff around, I knocked over my old Dewalt 110 VAC saw and broke the adjustment knob off GRRRRRRRR>>>>>>>
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Post by: JR on March 20, 2018, 11:21:54 PM
And, could you believe it...When shuffling stuff around, I knocked over my old Dewalt 110 VAC saw and broke the adjustment knob off GRRRRRRRR>>>>>>>

Yes
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 20, 2018, 11:26:08 PM
Better go buy a battery powered one


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Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 20, 2018, 11:55:18 PM
And, could you believe it...When shuffling stuff around, I knocked over my old Dewalt 110 VAC saw WITH THE SLV-95 AND RAN OVER IT and broke the adjustment knob off GRRRRRRRR>>>>>>>

FIFY
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Post by: stlaser on March 21, 2018, 12:28:32 AM
And, could you believe it...When shuffling stuff around, I knocked over my old Dewalt 110 VAC saw WITH THE SLV-95 AND RAN OVER IT and broke the adjustment knob off GRRRRRRRR>>>>>>>

FIFY

But, but, it wasn't even orange colored how did that happen!?! :knucklehead:
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Post by: Jared Herzog on March 21, 2018, 08:47:56 AM
I have broken some tools that way also. I have found there are many websites where you can buy parts and pieces to repair the tool. Just do a search on the brand and model number and sites will pop up. Most of the time it is cost effective to repair the tool especially if you can do it yourself. But, if a guy wants a new tool this broken one can be used on the wife as proof of death/use. Then get a new tool and fix the old. I just finished rebuilding an echo chainsaw and used www.ereplacementparts.com. Needed the saw working for doing volunteer work for a widow of an LAPD officer who is on our list to watch out for. We do what we call a widow run. There are several widows we know who are elderly so we work for free or free with the materials they purchase. Some of the work is just heavy lifting like keeping their water softeners full and such.
The shed is looking great. I wish more people would tackle their own builds at home. They would end up with a better product than can be purchased most of the time. Your added design features, like the truss tail scrolls and window trim scroll work, would add significantly to the cost so in an apples to apples comparison you are coming out nicely.
I am still having great results with the Behr paint and am buying more today. If anyone else here wants 20% off Behr paint right at the register PM me for the discount number to enter at checkout. Or ask Don for the information.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2018, 11:04:21 AM
Better go buy a battery powered one


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Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2018, 11:10:30 AM
I have broken some tools that way also. I have found there are many websites where you can buy parts and pieces to repair the tool. Just do a search on the brand and model number and sites will pop up. Most of the time it is cost effective to repair the tool especially if you can do it yourself. But, if a guy wants a new tool this broken one can be used on the wife as proof of death/use. Then get a new tool and fix the old. I just finished rebuilding an echo chainsaw and used www.ereplacementparts.com. Needed the saw working for doing volunteer work for a widow of an LAPD officer who is on our list to watch out for. We do what we call a widow run. There are several widows we know who are elderly so we work for free or free with the materials they purchase. Some of the work is just heavy lifting like keeping their water softeners full and such.
The shed is looking great. I wish more people would tackle their own builds at home. They would end up with a better product than can be purchased most of the time. Your added design features, like the truss tail scrolls and window trim scroll work, would add significantly to the cost so in an apples to apples comparison you are coming out nicely.
I am still having great results with the Behr paint and am buying more today. If anyone else here wants 20% off Behr paint right at the register PM me for the discount number to enter at checkout. Or ask Don for the information.
^^^ Words of truth^^^

I think part of the magic of this site is in how it empowers the readership to give it a try themselves. By showing how a thing is accomplished it shows the course one would have to navigate. Then you see costs, lessons learned, better ways of doing things and so forth.
With respect to this simple shed build, you could really save closer to 75% when looking at it apples to apples. This is the size of a small home, for those wanting to go that route...A small home, or hunting cabin, or weekender vaca home for under $3,000!

And best of all you learned something and you did it all yourself!
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Post by: JR on March 21, 2018, 11:10:50 AM
If it was orange, he would have run over it!

I will need some paint for the new bathroom and hallway. Already have the paint for the room.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Vents installed, trimmed and touched up...Now ready for installation onto the shed base
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2018, 08:10:56 PM
All loaded up

And

Roof metal is all ordered
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:06:03 AM
Spring break from school = Slave labor (When you have kids)

And that means time to throw up a roof.

With two able bodied young menses here's where we started:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:07:31 AM
Employing the tractor with the mining tire on it to lift stuff all the way up to the top:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:09:09 AM
We did the two end gables first, securing them with a whole bunch of screws. And btw, there are no nails in this structure, only screws, structural lag screws and glue
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:09:56 AM
Then came the ridge beam. I used a 2X6 to make it really solid
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:13:09 AM
Then one by one, in went the trusses, which simply rotated up into place.

I had purchased some truss hangers, but they turned out to be the wrong ones, so instead I ran some long 5/16" lag screws through the top plate which is a doubled 2X4 and into the truss. It sank in a good 3+ inches and when it tightened, really crushed the trusses down.

I may come back with some metal straps, but for now young man, that roof is really on there!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Then came the 2X4 lats, overhanging one foot, all around
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Then it was "Lookin' around time" An important part of any build or construction project
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Post by: stlaser on April 06, 2018, 09:16:42 AM
Quick question, what did u break on the green tool today?
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:18:12 AM
All done with lookin' around, back to the scary part, throwin' up the roof metal. Did I mention, I hate doing this???

ANyway, chose an oiled bronze color. The green roofs I have used elsewhere are not speakin' to me. Can O' paint and they all may change their characteristics!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:18:37 AM
Quick question, what did u break on the green tool today?
Nada!

Ha!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2018, 09:20:11 AM
And that was all she wrote. Ma old knees were shot and gettin' into a not-so-bendy-mode, so it was either stay and become a statue perched on the roof for the night, or throw in the towel and go get some Mexican food!

We did the right thing!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 06, 2018, 09:50:00 AM
MY, how the youngest Pre-Ranger has morphed into a mini-Don!  He appears to have grown a good 6" or more!  Looking good there Chief!
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Post by: JR on April 06, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
Nice work there. I was thinking you may need a crane attachment on the JD or Kubby, but then I remembered you have a LITTLE toy that will lift anything!

I like the grey too. Blends in a little better and doesn't stick out like a sore thumb in the white months.
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Post by: Bob Smith on April 06, 2018, 05:39:07 PM
Yup that gray will blend a bit, but  the body, might not blend in so good
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2018, 01:35:58 PM
MY, how the youngest Pre-Ranger has morphed into a mini-Don!  He appears to have grown a good 6" or more!  Looking good there Chief!
That one has just done so well (so has the other one) but this kid if you recall sustained a injury near the end of the football season, but with a lot of tape and the Dr's (And my permission) finished the season all the way to the superbowl game. He did not start but played nearly half of that game.
Then in wrestling season, his first ever, he made it to the regional championships where he was eliminated! (But in his FIRST year!) Then he tried out for the choir, and made it all the way to the middle school and highschool Kentucky state choir! He sang for the governor doing that. Then just this past week in a local talent show the kid sang "Fresh Eyes" by Andy Grammer and made it all the way to the finals. There were 5 standing at the end, no second place, just the best. The music director there felt Chris was the winner or at least second best. Another teacher said He did it better than Andy Grammer. I watched it all spell bound, thinking, "Where did all that come from???!!!)
And the kid carries a 1911 on his hip!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
Well we got part of two days in on the project.

First up was to cut the two remaining roof panels and get them screwed down.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2018, 09:11:44 PM
This would turn out to be a pretty interesting and challenging weekend, but at this point, I had two pre-rangers in there helping (and complaining! ;-)
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2018, 09:13:35 PM
Once we had the panels in, on went the gable end trim pieces and the metal covering. I did not trim them, preferring to cut the pieces while they were in place.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2018, 09:15:20 PM
Then went the drip rail or whatever you call them...(The boards that you attach the gutters to).
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on April 30, 2018, 09:53:12 PM
 Soffit and facia.  Facia is what you attach the gutter to I think


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Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2018, 09:56:21 PM
Soffit and facia.  Facia is what you attach the gutter to I think


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That's it!
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Post by: JR on May 01, 2018, 01:03:47 AM
 :likebutton:

Mine complain too. I always get, "its not my room" and then I remind they get theirs when she gets hers.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2018, 09:23:40 AM
Door installed:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2018, 09:24:34 AM
And front latch, really appearance only, since the main doors lock very securely from the inside
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2018, 08:39:54 AM
Next I added the soffit. I used the vinyl stuff with the standard "J" channel that affixes to the walls with cut to length 12" width soffit pieces
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2018, 08:47:40 AM
Then it was time to add some interior shelving. First I constructed a loft. Here is where the eight foot walls come in handy. If you buy a shed or a shed kit, you often get 6.5 foot walls, not full 8 footers like this one.
The loft is full width and four feet deep. It has joists sitting above your noggin so you won't go bump in the night.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2018, 08:50:07 AM
The loft is augmented by four built in shelves on either side of the back wall. The left side is for paints and gardening/farming chemicals, and the right side will hold lubricants. I made space for the several 5-gal cans of hydraulic fluid that everyone who owns heavy equipment needs lots of.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2018, 08:51:26 AM
Although not completely finished, the shed is now uesful as a weathertite storage facility which immediately uncluttered the larger shed/workshop.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2018, 08:52:47 AM
And so begins the final step in this shed construction: Trim

Here most of the pieces, which are various lengths of 3" wide pine, 3/4" wide, are given a coat of green paint.
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Post by: JR on May 24, 2018, 03:09:48 PM
Looking good and never to much storage!

Something hit me with the windows though. Couldn't someone just break a window and get in? Maybe add a bar or cover that with the bars you have to block or close it off, out of site, out of mind you know.

But then again if your on site all the time as you plan on, no biggie.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2018, 09:13:04 PM
Looking good and never to much storage!

Something hit me with the windows though. Couldn't someone just break a window and get in? Maybe add a bar or cover that with the bars you have to block or close it off, out of site, out of mind you know.

But then again if your on site all the time as you plan on, no biggie.
-The window on the north side (Only one really) has two steel bars behind it. Too small a space to craw through
The door window is just too small.
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Post by: JR on May 25, 2018, 02:18:17 AM
Then you are ahead of the game. Just looked like a place to get in from the pic, but you saw that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 25, 2018, 07:53:40 AM
Then you are ahead of the game. Just looked like a place to get in from the pic, but you saw that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
And then there are other factors
Kentucky-
Not as many (Almost none) thefts here
and
the place is so remote and so rural its practically like our "Outback"
and has so few visitors. Maybe a dozen in 4 years?? if that many...
And on top of all that I claimed it for the Kingdom of God, and prayed a prayer of the blood of Jesus all around it.
I think I am safe there.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2018, 11:05:16 AM
The shed is now trimmed and graveled in.

It only lacks a gutter board metal cover, some gutters, and some pieces of angle to wrap around the outer edges of the Soffit.

I'll get to that in a bit, but it is effectively finished and functioning as it was intended to

Total Cost: $2,937   Total hours: 86.7
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Post by: JR on May 30, 2018, 12:30:28 PM
So 2 weeks of work and about the same cost as a cheapo shed. I call that a win.
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Post by: Nate on May 30, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
nice
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Post by: stlaser on May 30, 2018, 01:31:38 PM
 :likebutton:

That shed turned out nice
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2018, 03:23:29 PM
So 2 weeks of work and about the same cost as a cheapo shed. I call that a win.
Same cost, yes

But apples for apples

Cheapo does not have a service door
Cheapo has 6.5 or 7 foot high walls vs my 8 ft.
Cheapo does not have a 6/12 pitch roof. more like 3 1/2 pitch
Cheapo does not have roof overhang, mine has 12" overhangs
Cheapo does not have a loft
Cheapo does not have shelving
Cheapo floor structure is only 1/3 as thick as mine
Cheapo does not have a metal roof
Cheapo does not have the robust flooring sub structure mine has
Cheapo is nailed/stapled together, mine uses only screws
Cheapo has a flimsy door lock system, mine is like a vault
Cheapo is typically T-111 or plastic, mine has the 50 year smart panel

So if all one needs is to get out of the weather, then a Lowes cheapo will get it done for a lot less work. But if you desire something that will live in your landscape setting for the rest of your life, then custom building your own or having it done is your answer. If I hired a builder to build mine to this spec, I already know the cost of materials is around $2,800, adding in labor, I think I'd be north of $4,000 pretty easy.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: JR on May 30, 2018, 03:26:49 PM
Thats why its a win, you have so much more for the same price.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2018, 03:29:13 PM
Thats why its a win, you have so much more for the same price.
Copy

I knew that is what you were saying...
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: dave945 on May 30, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
So what you’re saying is you’ll build one on my place for 4K?  When do you start?  ;)


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: stlaser on May 30, 2018, 05:29:20 PM
So what you’re saying is you’ll build one on my place for 4K?  When do you start?  ;)


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: KensAuto on May 30, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
Looks great boss.

You know, I wish at least one guy on this forum would do something half a__ed so I could type something different,
... but seriously, looks as good as anyone here would expect.

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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2018, 06:13:35 PM
good job, Chief.  You plan on painting the white door trim green to match the rest?
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Nate on May 30, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
Looks great boss.

You know, I wish at least one guy on this forum would do something half a__ed so I could type something different,
... but seriously, looks as good as anyone here would expect.

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remember the tac topper!

after what we all did to him over that thing i am supprised he allows us to even be apart of this site...lol

but then again that is also why i think nobody does anything halfarsed and shares it with us
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 30, 2018, 06:42:04 PM
Looks great boss.

You know, I wish at least one guy on this forum would do something half a__ed so I could type something different,
... but seriously, looks as good as anyone here would expect.

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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: KensAuto on May 31, 2018, 12:41:56 AM
I can't believe you brought up the "thing that should never be mentioned".

Oh good Dave, don't worry, not going to cut you any slack.

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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2018, 09:40:22 AM
So what you’re saying is you’ll build one on my place for 4K?  When do you start?  ;)


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Ever hear the phrase that starts something like, "Feed a man a fish and cure his hunger for a day, but..."
????
Applies here!
Live it and learn it!
Better yet, grab a youngin' and teach them to fish at the same time you're learnin' yourself
Air Force people...
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2018, 09:43:32 AM
good job, Chief.  You plan on painting the white door trim green to match the rest?
Ya know, I was lookin at that and wonderin' myself

So what do you men of good taste (Sorry TRN, Any Dave, some others, sit this one out... ;-) what say yee??

Paint er' green to match

or leave it the "Find it on a dark night, white?"
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: EL TATE on May 31, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
Work begets work. Paint 'er green sir.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2018, 11:16:18 AM
one for the greenin

zero for whitey

Next?
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: dave945 on May 31, 2018, 01:10:36 PM
I know I was excluded, but I’d go green. You have a flashlight, right?


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
I know I was excluded, but I’d go green. You have a flashlight, right?


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2018, 02:19:32 PM
So

Two for green

Zero for White
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 31, 2018, 02:35:06 PM
Why are you asking me?  Let HH6 have some say so you only have to do it once.  Green.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: moto123 on May 31, 2018, 02:39:09 PM
I would 4th the green door trim. 

And tell me the downspout will get a nice finishing touch like this:

https://goo.gl/images/MSeqPw



Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 31, 2018, 02:58:08 PM
Why are you asking me?  Let HH6 have some say so you only have to do it once.  Green.
New the AF guys were smart.


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
Why are you asking me?  Let HH6 have some say so you only have to do it once.  Green.
New the AF guys were smart.


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He's Armee!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 31, 2018, 04:23:26 PM
Oops. My bad.


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2018, 04:25:30 PM
Oops. My bad.


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If he were by chance standin' nearby
you've had felt a smart wack to the back of the noggin!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 31, 2018, 05:51:48 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180531/7f0a5dd1891e71b636eb74d5c1937c5d.jpg)


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: EL TATE on May 31, 2018, 06:08:59 PM
Isn't NCIS Navy? bwahahaha
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Tommy13 on June 01, 2018, 09:30:46 AM
Green  :likebutton:
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
O-K, I think feel it

And, I'll get it done

I'll change the color right away

and Green it will become!  :smiley:
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Nate on June 01, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Why are you asking me?  Let HH6 have some say so you only have to do it once.  Green.
New the AF guys were smart.


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thems is almost fightin words right there!
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Atkinsmatt on June 01, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
I wasn't in the AF but I did stay in a holiday inn express once.
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: Nate on June 01, 2018, 12:57:05 PM
I wasn't in the AF but I did stay in a holiday inn express once.

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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: dave945 on June 01, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
I was in the Air Force and stayed in a nice Villa in Saudi for a few months once.


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: BobbyB on June 01, 2018, 06:43:41 PM
I was in the Air Force and stayed in a nice Villa in Saudi for a few months once.


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And collected extra pay for substandard living conditions right? lol
Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: dave945 on June 01, 2018, 07:43:44 PM
Yeah they were substandard, there were two army and a marine in there too. It was rough


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: KensAuto on June 01, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
I can't let Tex take the fall by himself, because I also thought Matt was AF. (He seemed brighter than the rest).  :PokeNateBobDonandOthers.



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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 01, 2018, 08:00:24 PM
#myonearmedfriend


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Title: Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
Post by: BobbyB on June 02, 2018, 09:16:45 AM
Yeah they were substandard, there were two army and a marine in there too. It was rough


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Substandard for you, upgrade for them.   :laugh:
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